We really are in trouble in this country. This is just the beginning of it.

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“I have been saying for about two years we’re looking at a 1929 kind of event. I think that we are really in trouble in this country. And what you have seen in the last four months is just the beginning of it.”

-Patrick Byrne, Chairman and CEO of Overstock.com, December 2007

“If home prices decline by 30 percent, as one noted economist has said could happen, “We’re all going long apples and boxes to sell them in,” Syron said, invoking an image from the Great Depression.”

– Richard Syron, Freddie Mac CEO in today’s Washington Post

“The current credit crisis will come to an end when the overhang of inventories of newly built homes is largely liquidated, and home price deflation comes to an end. That will stabilize the now-uncertain value of the home equity that acts as a buffer for all home mortgages, but most importantly for those held as collateral for residential mortgage-backed securities. Very large losses will, no doubt, be taken as a consequence of the crisis.”

– Alan Greenspan

The United States doesn’t -make- anything any more. For the last 5 years, our economy has been driven by increases in asset prices, namely housing. People cashed out equity and spent like crazy, driving the economy forward.

All good things must come to an end, and we’re seeing just the first inning of the housing bubble unwind in a game that’s going extra innings. As prices drop, equity vanishes, and mortgage owners owe more than the property is worth.

Next in line are consumer grade loans – auto defaults are already up, as are student loans, because when the choice is between a roof over your head or a student loan payment, you go with roof every time.

Housing equity can’t be used to pay down those loans any more, so they go red. The next wave after that is credit card defaults, because once you’ve maxed out, you’ve got nothing left and have no way to pay. Discretionary income? No such animal in a recession. Everyone’s paying just to stay afloat and with the basics.

All this plays out over the next 3 years. Mortgages are unwinding now, but subprime goes nuclear in March 2008 with the largest wave of rate resets yet, 65 billion worth, and stays at that level for 6 months. Defaults typically occur in 30 days of a rate reset; some borrowers don’t even make a payment.

Expect secondary loan (car, student loan, etc.) default rates to hit the wall shortly after the mortgage ones, and credit cards even sooner as the source of last resort financing, because the people who are in trouble are living lifestyles beyond their means.

Scared yet?

While I’m not a certified financial planner or anything, I’m going to give this piece of advice. If your money is in a place that is not insured, move it to an insured place. Insurance means FDIC coverage for up to100,000 of cash per account. Money market funds are discovering they’re tainted with bad mortgage debt. Municipal bonds are finding out their guarantors overextended.

Anyone who promises a fix for this situation that isn’t “we have to ride this out” either has something to sell you or is running for office. Don’t believe them. This financial crisis took years to make and it will take years to unmake.

Comments

23 responses to “We really are in trouble in this country. This is just the beginning of it.”

  1. Ronald Lewis Avatar

    I’ve been telling Americans that sky is blue for years. Americans don’t care to be informed.

    Most Americans aren’t even aware of our worthless, fiat-based currency. Yes, troubling times are ahead indeed and it goes far beyond money.

  2. Ronald Lewis Avatar

    I’ve been telling Americans that sky is blue for years. Americans don’t care to be informed.

    Most Americans aren’t even aware of our worthless, fiat-based currency. Yes, troubling times are ahead indeed and it goes far beyond money.

  3. Justin Kownacki Avatar

    But how much of a guarantee is FDIC insurance? If all aspects continue to head south, what requires these accounts to live up to their end of the bargain? Would the cash reserves even BE there for people when the bottom drops out?

  4. Justin Kownacki Avatar

    But how much of a guarantee is FDIC insurance? If all aspects continue to head south, what requires these accounts to live up to their end of the bargain? Would the cash reserves even BE there for people when the bottom drops out?

  5. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    FDIC is a weak guarantee. The government can choose to hyperinflate – that is, if there is a run on banks, the government will just speed up the printing presses and create more money. Its relative value in the world declines for each additional dollar created, but it’s currently better than the alternative, which is an insolvent bank takes your money with it and you have no recourse.

  6. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    FDIC is a weak guarantee. The government can choose to hyperinflate – that is, if there is a run on banks, the government will just speed up the printing presses and create more money. Its relative value in the world declines for each additional dollar created, but it’s currently better than the alternative, which is an insolvent bank takes your money with it and you have no recourse.

  7. […] about his concerns for the overall financial health of the the US of A in an aptly titled post: We really are in trouble in this country. This is just the beginning of it. The United States doesn’t -make- anything any more. For the last 5 years, our economy has been […]

  8. lenofus Avatar
    lenofus

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    You’ll need no more proof after this.

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  9. lenofus Avatar
    lenofus

    Deepcapturethemovie.com

    You’ll need no more proof after this.

    It’s a pleasure to see people who can smell the coffee.

  10. phillymac Avatar

    FDIC probably over 10-15 years ago now, only had 1/72 of a dollar (I’m going with that, though I seem to remember it was 1/72 of a penny per dollar) in actual reserves to back your money. So, the reality is, the FDIC means nothing. Got gold?

  11. phillymac Avatar

    FDIC probably over 10-15 years ago now, only had 1/72 of a dollar (I’m going with that, though I seem to remember it was 1/72 of a penny per dollar) in actual reserves to back your money. So, the reality is, the FDIC means nothing. Got gold?

  12. mhelburn Avatar

    Fiat money… fiat everything. Patrick Byrne knows what is happening and he is the most hated man on Wall Street because he is letting everyone know about the fraud and greed.

    Most people don’t believe that Wall Street is taking our money and giving us counterfeit shares. Instead of the money going to shareholders who invested in the company, brokers are shorting the daylights out of the market, sometimes legitimately, but often without borrowing the shares. It has taken years to get the SEC to verify that this is happening and now they publish the SHO list which lists victim companies.

    We have watched as options market makers create phantom shares and abuse their exemption and the SEC is still sitting on it. The SEC put in more exemptions and grandfathered the fraud while the players worked on getting rid of the uptick rule and now we are going paperless.

    The regulators have failed. First they denied a problem and then when they saw the size of the problem, they grandfathered the fraud. Is what they’ve done treason? If they didn’t have a personal reason to inflict these terrible rules that transfer the wealth of many to a few, why did they do it?

    It isn’t just a credit bubble, we are dealing with fraud on a massive scale. The same people who were bundling junk mortgages, taking commissions, betting against the housing market while selling the ABS are the same ones who have selling silver short, charging storage for it and it was the customers who had to file lawsuits to get the truth.

    Move cash into several insured accounts at the same place. Each account is insured.

  13. mhelburn Avatar

    Fiat money… fiat everything. Patrick Byrne knows what is happening and he is the most hated man on Wall Street because he is letting everyone know about the fraud and greed.

    Most people don’t believe that Wall Street is taking our money and giving us counterfeit shares. Instead of the money going to shareholders who invested in the company, brokers are shorting the daylights out of the market, sometimes legitimately, but often without borrowing the shares. It has taken years to get the SEC to verify that this is happening and now they publish the SHO list which lists victim companies.

    We have watched as options market makers create phantom shares and abuse their exemption and the SEC is still sitting on it. The SEC put in more exemptions and grandfathered the fraud while the players worked on getting rid of the uptick rule and now we are going paperless.

    The regulators have failed. First they denied a problem and then when they saw the size of the problem, they grandfathered the fraud. Is what they’ve done treason? If they didn’t have a personal reason to inflict these terrible rules that transfer the wealth of many to a few, why did they do it?

    It isn’t just a credit bubble, we are dealing with fraud on a massive scale. The same people who were bundling junk mortgages, taking commissions, betting against the housing market while selling the ABS are the same ones who have selling silver short, charging storage for it and it was the customers who had to file lawsuits to get the truth.

    Move cash into several insured accounts at the same place. Each account is insured.

  14. John Buehler Avatar

    FDIC will never have the opportunity to kick in. The Fed knows it would fail and they can’t have that, they only fund it enough to keep the doors open to provide a happy facade. The dollar will not collapse, it will fade into obscurity in a slow and painful manner. In the event of a dollar collapse who wins and who loses is a crapshoot, in a slow downward slide, only the truly wealthy can hang onto their Gold long enough for it to matter. Buy gold and hold gold, but I’m betting few of us will have the reserve power to make it to the end of this line. I wish you all well and I’ll meet you at the crash site.

  15. John Buehler Avatar

    FDIC will never have the opportunity to kick in. The Fed knows it would fail and they can’t have that, they only fund it enough to keep the doors open to provide a happy facade. The dollar will not collapse, it will fade into obscurity in a slow and painful manner. In the event of a dollar collapse who wins and who loses is a crapshoot, in a slow downward slide, only the truly wealthy can hang onto their Gold long enough for it to matter. Buy gold and hold gold, but I’m betting few of us will have the reserve power to make it to the end of this line. I wish you all well and I’ll meet you at the crash site.

  16. rt way1 Avatar
    rt way1

    What I find disgusting is that are captured media will not inform the citizens of this country as to the severity of the problems and corruption that exist in our financial markets that could affect every man, women and child as well as the pensions of seniors. When the head of the SEC and his predecessors both admit these problems exist and senators make appeals for reform on the senate floor and convicted felons explain how they did it, I think it is time for the media to stop in aiding the cover up.

  17. rt way1 Avatar
    rt way1

    What I find disgusting is that are captured media will not inform the citizens of this country as to the severity of the problems and corruption that exist in our financial markets that could affect every man, women and child as well as the pensions of seniors. When the head of the SEC and his predecessors both admit these problems exist and senators make appeals for reform on the senate floor and convicted felons explain how they did it, I think it is time for the media to stop in aiding the cover up.

  18. NEENZ Avatar

    It just irritated me to see homeowners walk into these subprime loans with pompous attitudes driving up an already expensive market in Hawaii. These same people are now whining and complaining looking for others to bail ’em out. I apologize for my lack of compassion, but ignorance is a choice.

    Question: Is a debt-free, modest savings enough to weather through the pending storm?

    Thank you.
    NEENZ.

  19. NEENZ Avatar

    It just irritated me to see homeowners walk into these subprime loans with pompous attitudes driving up an already expensive market in Hawaii. These same people are now whining and complaining looking for others to bail ’em out. I apologize for my lack of compassion, but ignorance is a choice.

    Question: Is a debt-free, modest savings enough to weather through the pending storm?

    Thank you.
    NEENZ.

  20. Sean Lang Avatar
    Sean Lang

    FDIC is run by the government. Isn’ that alone a big enough clue?

  21. Sean Lang Avatar
    Sean Lang

    FDIC is run by the government. Isn’ that alone a big enough clue?

  22. Sharon O'Dell Avatar

    Wow…3 years ago I thought I was the only one who saw this. Today I happen upon this article and see the comments. In hindsight, we were right on target. Your article – even today – was amazing and frightening as hell. I wonder where we are headed next….we haven’t gotten to boxed apples but I feel we are still on that parth. I feel the Government artifically propped everything up. The States warning everyone in 2009 they would be falling next seems to be happening now.

    Chris – an updated post in 2011 would be very interesting to me and many others, I am sure.

  23. Sharon O'Dell Avatar

    Wow…3 years ago I thought I was the only one who saw this. Today I happen upon this article and see the comments. In hindsight, we were right on target. Your article – even today – was amazing and frightening as hell. I wonder where we are headed next….we haven’t gotten to boxed apples but I feel we are still on that parth. I feel the Government artifically propped everything up. The States warning everyone in 2009 they would be falling next seems to be happening now.

    Chris – an updated post in 2011 would be very interesting to me and many others, I am sure.

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