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What’s On My Mind: What I Learn At Events & Conferences
At the tail end of this year’s MarketingProfs B2B Forum, a friend who works in the conference industry said to me, “Gosh, you must not get a lot out of these events, given how technical you are. Why do you come to them, other than to speak?”
It’s an interesting question, one which has some nuance. Do I go to events to learn the specifics of my craft and trade? No. There are no sessions at any of the events in the marketing industry that are specific to my craft. There are no talks reviewing the latest paper in arXiv or addressing how to deal with tokenizer misalignment in retrieval augmented generation (which is a huge, unaddressed, silent problem).
But that doesn’t mean I get nothing from the events. That doesn’t mean I walk away having learned nothing. Quite the contrary.
What do I learn at events like Social Media Marketing World, the Marketing AI Conference, MarketingProfs B2B Forum, and the dozens of events I’m asked to speak at every year?
I learn the most valuable thing of all:
Problems.
Right now, generative AI is so new (still) that it’s still a solution in search of a problem for the most part.
Classes of Problems
And there are four classes of problems, jokingly called the Rumsfeld Matrix:
- The Known Knowns: we know what we know.
- The Known Unknowns: we know what we don’t know.
- The Unknown Knowns: we don’t know what we know.
- The Unknown Unknowns: we don’t know what we don’t know.
When we’ve got a new technology like generative AI, we often apply it in category one: we know what we know. We know the problems that we have, and we know the solutions for those problems, and we try to shoehorn a new technology into the old way of doing things. Drew Davis calls this Lumiere’s Law, where we try to apply new technology as though it were old technology.
This is generally not the best way to apply a new technology. Cars aren’t horses. Smartphones aren’t dumb phones. Laptops aren’t desktops. But until we understand a technology, we’ll try to apply it as though it were the previous solution because that’s how we learn and grow as humans. Our brains work best when we have a starting point we already recognize.
So let’s dig into each of these problem categories so we can better understand what I get out of events.
The Known Knowns
We know what we know.
In the context of AI, these are problems for which we have known solutions. We need to generate X blog posts per month. That’s a complete, easy to understand problem. We know AI is a viable solution for this because, properly prompted, AI can generate very well-written blog posts.
Other problems in this category would be things like basic data classification and cleaning – we know if there’s an email address in our database like [email protected], there’s a very good chance it’s supposed to be [email protected]. We know the problem, we know the solution, and we try to apply the technology to the solution.
At events, these are often the sessions themselves – the speaker on stage isn’t going to present a problem without a solution. This is why sessions are often the least valuable part of an event – we know the problem, and we know the solution. The session might present a better, more efficient solution, but generally will not present a novel new solution that’s completely different.
Where events do provide value, especially for this category, is in the Q&A in sessions when people have a chance to ask questions about the problems and solutions they already know.
What problems and solutions have you gone to events with, looking for more refinement?
The Known Unknowns
We know what we don’t know.
In the context of AI, these are problems where we don’t know the solution, or the solutions we have no longer work. For example, we need to do good attribution analysis of our marketing. But data is a mess, analytics systems are less helpful every day, and we have a problem without a viable solution.
Other problems in this category might be things like true personalization at scale – we know we need to do it, we know broadly that it’s something AI could do, but we haven’t the foggiest idea how to actually implement it. (hint: it involves a lot of non-AI technology)
At events, these are the hallway conversations, the Q&A after the presentation, the conversations at the bar. These are when we find the problems that don’t have good solutions and we listen to how people are trying to solve the problems.
For someone like me, and a company like Trust Insights, this is one of the most valuable reasons to attend an event because we’re in the business of solving problems. The most important thing I can do at an event is listen and take notes on the questions people ask, the frustrations that they have, the things they’ve tried that haven’t worked – and then figure out how to offer those in a paid, professional context.
What problems have you gone to events with, looking for solutions?
The Unknown Knowns
We don’t know what we know.
In the context of AI, these are problems where we don’t know that we know the solution, or the solution is inaccessible to us because of a lack of knowledge. One of the most powerful examples here is in B2B sales. Imagine an AI solution that can pinpoint your competition, their value proposition, and why you’re losing deals. The system gives you a complete analysis of what’s going wrong and how to fix it.
Would you buy that? I sure would if I owned or operated a B2B sales team. Well, the funny thing is, you already own this system. You already have the answer. It’s the call transcripts of your sales team, the emails they sent, the questions they receive. All that unstructured data is sitting around in your marketing automation software, in your CRM, in your call center, in your inbox like veins of pure gold buried in the earth.
And you’re not digging for it at all. The reality is that generative AI could ingest all that data and provide that analysis for you whenever you wanted it. You don’t know what you know because your knowledge is distributed and disorganized.
At events, these are also part of the hallway conversations. These conversations tend to be more broad, about general frustrations but people can’t put their finger on what the problem even is. They can’t articulate the problem well, and thus no solution is even remotely in view. You have to know the domain really well to identify that they’re circling around the problem in the dark, but they don’t know what the problem is.
For events, this is part of gap analysis. You don’t know the problem but you might know the solution if you could articulate the problem. For example, suppose I were to take the entire program agenda of MarketingProfs B2B Forum and put it into a generative AI tool. I could then ask it, based on its broad knowledge of B2B marketing, where the knowledge gaps are in the agenda, what’s not being covered. It might return with things like:
- The agenda is very US-centric, and marketing is a global enterprise. What are strategies and tactics for marketing outside North America, and what do we need to understand about language, culture, and business practices in different countries?
- The agenda doesn’t contain anything about sustainability or purpose-driven marketing. How might marketers operate in those specific environments?
The key takeaway for me at events is that there are a ton of people walking around with unknown knowns. They need help articulating the problem, and once they do, the solution becomes apparent.
What problems have you tried to get more clarity and articulation about at events?
The Unknown Unknowns
We don’t know what we don’t know.
In the context of AI, this is the most challenging area, the area where I spend most of my professional development time. We don’t know the problems or the solutions – we don’t know what’s possible. The technology may be capable of things that we can’t even imagine right now because it’s so new, so emergent, and so confusing that we can’t get a handle on things.
For example, the AI world is abuzz about AI agents right now, but agents are still fairly murky for most folks. What are AI agents? How do they work?
Because it’s so new, we can’t articulate problems or solutions well, though we’re starting to understand the scope of agents with the latest technology releases. If we think of them as autonomous software – self-driving apps – then we are suddenly faced with the possibility of AI that makes purchases or does research on behalf of humans.
Imagine how much your B2B marketing would change if the buying committee at a company has an AI agent go out, search and compile all the public data about the vendors in a space, and presents a report to the buying committee of the short list of recommended vendors based on the criteria provided. How would your B2B marketing change if a huge part of the buyer’s journey – awareness, consideration, and part of evaluation – was done by AI instead of humans?
Here’s an example. Suppose I deployed an AI research agent to crawl articles about live streaming software, looking for alternatives to Streamyard, our current platform. I’d provide it the basic requirements, and then the agent would go and:
- Search the web for content about Streamyard alternatives, locked to content published in the last 12 months or newer
- Download the content to an offline database
- Provide the database and our requirements to an LLM
- Have the LLM create the shortlist
All this would happen behind the scenes, done by the AI agent. What we as the buying committee would get would just be the best match of recommendations:
Your Requirements:
- Multi-user streaming: Essential for your team to collaborate on-screen. [cite: 113]
- Multi-platform streaming: Reach viewers on YouTube, LinkedIn, Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, and Twitch. [cite: 113]
- 5 concurrent users: The software needs to handle at least 5 simultaneous streamers. [cite: 113]
- Budget: Keeping costs at or below $70 per month. [cite: 113]
StreamYard is a solid choice, but let’s explore some alternatives that might be a better fit or offer more for the same price. Here are a few options that meet your criteria:
- Restream Studio:
- Pros: User-friendly, supports your platforms, generous free plan. [cite: 649, 650, 651]
- Cons: Free plan has multi-streaming limits. Paid plans start at \$16/month. [cite: 651, 656]
- Consider if: You value ease of use and a strong free plan to get started. [cite: 649, 650, 651]
- Castr:
- Pros: Robust, supports your platforms, embedding, pre-recorded video scheduling. [cite: 4116, 4117, 4127, 4128, 4129, 4130]
- Cons: More complex setup, potentially higher cost. [cite: 4116, 4117]
- Consider if: You need advanced features (embedding, scheduling) and are comfortable with some learning curve. [cite: 4116, 4117]
- Switchboard Live:
- Pros: Made for multi-streaming, supports your platforms, guest invites, stream monitoring. [cite: 2465, 2466, 2467]
- Cons: Price, depending on your usage. [cite: 2465]
- Consider if: Multi-streaming is your top priority and you need advanced management features. [cite: 2465]
That certainly changes the buying process. How would you, as a B2B marketer, deal with AI doing the majority of the buyer’s journey rather than humans? It certainly changes how you approach things like brand awareness, doesn’t it?
Where Events Fit For Me
It should be apparent now, based on the Rumsfeld matrix, why I still find events valuable.
- The Known Knowns: I learn the problems people are having with known problems and solutions.
- The Known Unknowns: I learn the problems people are having where they are unclear about the solutions.
- The Unknown Knowns: I learn the problems people are having trouble articulating but have the right ingredients for the solutions.
- The Unknown Unknowns: I learn the problems people are having trouble articulating for which they don’t have any path to a solution.
From these four categories, a conference or an event is a bounty of knowledge about the people I serve. No other marketing channel concentrates the right people in one place so easily, and so events will always be a part of my own professional development.
Will I find solutions to my own professional development at events? Probably not. But I’m mostly set there; with the power of generative AI and great research tools, plus domain knowledge, I can usually work out the solutions to problems I have for myself. What I can’t work out by myself are the problems that you have which I may be able to solve.
Where Events Fit For You (aka What To Do Next)
The Rumsfeld Matrix isn’t just for me to categorize how I know what to look for and listen for at events. It’s for you to organize your thoughts before the next conference or event you attend.
Set up the simple 2×2 matrix on the whiteboard or app of your choice and, with your marketing or business in mind, write out what you want to get from your next event.
- The Known Knowns: you know what problems you have, you know what’s working with the solutions you know and what’s not, and you know what specific questions you need answers to make your solutions work better.
- The Known Unknowns: you know what problems you have, and you know how to articulate those problems, so you can talk to others at the event about their solutions.
- The Unknown Knowns and the Unknown Unknowns: you know there are problems, but you can’t articulate the specifics. You’ll talk to others who might have similar macro problems to see if there’s a way for you to define the problem more clearly.
With that list, you can tackle your next event and get real answers to your problems, real clarity on how to define them and solve them.
And if you’re a speaker, sponsor, or vendor, it should be apparent how to use the Rumsfeld matrix to make events even more valuable for you. Do the same research as me to figure out what people know and don’t know about their problems and solutions, how your product/service/company fits into those questions, and then answer those questions!
See you at the next event!
(and if you’d like me at your next event, let me know.)
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