Mind Readings: DeepSeek Week Part 1 – Why Is Everyone Talking About DeepSeek?

In today’s episode, you’ll learn about DeepSeek, a Chinese tech company making waves in the AI world. You’ll discover why their R1 reasoning model is turning heads, boasting quality on par with Western counterparts at a fraction of the cost. You’ll benefit from understanding their innovative approach to AI development, including reinforcement learning and group relative policy optimization (GRPO), which dramatically reduces training costs and makes the most of available hardware. This approach allows you to gain powerful AI capabilities without breaking the bank.

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This week, we’re going to talk about DeepSeek. We can go deep on DeepSeek, the parts, the puns, and why everyone’s talking about it. What makes it good and specifically which versions, if any, you should be using, and whether it’s safe—all the questions that you have about this very, very interesting family of models that has been around for some time, but people are just figuring out now that it exists.

So, let’s dig in. In today’s episode, we’re going to talk about why is everyone talking about DeepSeek? What is this thing? DeepSeek is a Chinese company—a Chinese technology company—that, like many other companies from the world, makes artificial intelligence models, AI models. They make language models. So, their versions, they currently have two major flagship versions: V3, which is their regular chat version. The equivalent in OpenAI would be OpenAI, uh, GPT 4.0, which is the stock model that people use, ChatGPT. Another equivalent would be something like Google’s Gemini Pro. And then they have R1. R1 is their reasoning model that thinks things through and is great for complex tasks.

Again, in the Western branded AI models, OpenAI’s O1 model is a reasoning model. Google’s Gemini 2 Flash thinking is a reasoning model. These are some of the bigger, better-known reasoning models. Why is this particular model, in particular R1, getting everyone’s attention? It comes down to two things: quality and price. In the released versions of DeepSeek V3 and R1, the quality is almost as good as or better than Western counterparts.

So, let me bring up—I need to reset my screen here. Let’s go ahead and do that. There we go. We see here the quality versus price analysis. This is from artificial analysis.a.i. And we see here, there’s OpenAI’s 01. The quality score—the average quality score to choose on most benchmarks—is 90.3. And the cost per million tokens is 26 per million tokens. Then over here is 0.1 mini. Its quality is 83.6, and its cost is5.25. Claude Sonnet 3.5, the most current version of Claude, has a quality score of 80 and a cost of 6 per set of tokens.

I think I need to turn on Google’s Gemini. I don’t have Gemini. Let’s turn on Gemini Pro and Flash so we can see them. We see Gemini Pro here at 80.4; it’s neck and neck with Claude, and it’s a cost of2.19 for Pro. For Gemini Flash, that is 13 cents per million tokens. Quality is 74. Meta’s Lama 3.3, a score of 74 in quality, 67 cents per million tokens. OpenAI’s GPT40, the stock model, a quality score of 73.1, and a cost of 4.38. Then we get to DeepSeek. DeepSeek reasoning model, R1,2.88 cents—no, I’m sorry, 2 per million tokens, 88.8 score. So it is on par with 01, but look at that cost difference:26, 2,2.2. So, this is more than 10 times more expensive than R1 for about the same quality.

If you look at DeepSeek V3, 90 cents per million tokens, a quality score of 7.9.1. Compare that to OpenAI’s 4.38. So, we’re talking, what, almost five times more expensive for higher quality. This is why everyone was talking about DeepSeek, because its models are incredibly powerful and stupid cheap in their API. And, rightfully, a lot of people saying, what happened there? Well, the folks at DeepSeek essentially told everyone, they said, “Here’s what we did.” And there’s a paper out called “DeepSeek R1” that explains the process that they used to make these models, and you can download this on their website.

It is a fair technical paper. The secret sauce for DeepSeek is twofold. Number one, they’re using an architecture that’s very efficient. The architecture is called Mixture of Experts. Google’s Gemini is also a mixture of expert model, which is different than what’s called a dense model, like ChatGPT’s GP4. So, it is a very, very, very sprightly and efficient model. And the way that they built this is wildly different than the way other model makers have made models in the past. And it comes down to two things: reinforcement learning and what’s called GRPO. According to the paper, GRPO is group relative policy optimization, which is a reinforcement learning algorithm that does not have a separate model for the reinforcement learning that’s built right into the main model. So, this dramatically cuts down training costs.

Here’s a way to think about how these two things—these two models—are different. Like, OpenAI’s and the Western models versus what DeepSeek did. If we think of them as kitchens, in O1 or Gemini or Claude, think of the training—the chefs there—in very classical fashion. You go through culinary school, and you spend years on, you know, being an apprentice and then a sous chef and chopping up things for and fetching coffee for the executive chef. And eventually, after a lot of time and a lot of money and a lot of effort, you end up with a Michelin-starred chef, right? That would be the way that traditional models work. DeepSeek used reinforcement learning from the beginning rather than supervised fine tuning. When they’re in the restaurant analogy, they gave the chefs basic skills and then said, “Guess what? You’re going to learn how to—how to cook the hard way.” Well, we would think of it the hard way. You’re just going to do stuff, and we’re going to correct you along the way. And so, it’s a much more—I guess you would call it—intuitive way to learn how to cook, whereas you’re not, you know, digesting huge textbooks of how to cook. Instead, you’re learning through experience how to cook. What they did, in terms of producing the model, this creates a much more capable model because it spends all of its time learning what to do and what not to do through experience rather than sets of rules. So, this approach is very, very different, and that’s what makes it so good and what makes it so cheap.

By doing it this way, they dramatically cut down on the compute costs, which is important because one of the things that the government of China, the People’s Republic of China, has against it is export restrictions. A lot of the top-tier AI chips that are produced in countries like America and other places in the world that are super technical economies, like Taiwan, for example, China can’t buy them. China can’t get a hold of them. And as a result, Chinese AI labs have to figure out how to make the most of the hardware that they have. And so, through using this group resource policy optimization, they’re essentially saying, “We’re going to figure out how to make this model incredibly inexpensive to operate and lightweight because we don’t have a choice. We don’t have the biggest, beefiest, nicest hardware.”

It’s again, imagine back to the kitchens. You have one kitchen that is all Viking appliances, and it’s super high-end. And then you have one kitchen that is maybe not the high-end appliances. The appliances in the kitchen still work. They’re still good. It’s not like you’re cooking, you know, with stuff made of random parts found on the side of the road. It’s still good. It’s just, it’s like Hamilton Beach, right? It’s the cheaper equipment. When you learn to cook in an environment like that, you learn to make the most of what you have. And that’s why DeepSeek is so efficient and effective.

The other thing that has talking quite a bit is that DeepSeek just gave away the model. They put it up on Hugging Face, which is where pretty much everyone who’s a model maker puts their stuff when they want to give it away. And the rest of the world can take it and run with it, which is pretty amazing that they can do that. It has caused such a stir in Silicon Valley. If you go into apps like Blind, which is sort of the tech water cooler gossip, pretty much all of Silicon Valley is losing their craft because DeepSeek has come out with a high-performance model that meets state of the art that is way cheaper, and they get it in a way. So, if you wanted to, if you had the hardware to support it, you could run it yourself, and it would do well.

They also demonstrated their techniques, which I thought was very clever, on existing models. So, if you were to go into their repository on Hugging Face, you’ll find not only do they have their model up there, but then they’ve taken other models like Quinn and Lama and tuned them using their processes to create these distilled models that, in the case of Lama 70B, have chart-topping scores. So, they took an already good model and turned it into a world-class model with very, very little resources. So, that’s pretty darn amazing. And, again, everyone in the Western tech community is kind of losing it because it kind of invalidates a lot of the hype and the tech bros and the tech oligarchs talking about how about they need all this energy and all this money, and they need a500 billion project. And this Chinese firm was like, “No, you don’t. Here, state of the art, we did it on the equivalent of driving a Volvo, and you’re saying you need a Bugatti. You don’t need a Bugatti to get world-class performance. You can do it in a Volvo.” And that’s what’s happened.

So, this is part one on why everyone is talking about this thing. In the next part, we’re going to look at the different versions and see what’s available. So, stay tuned for that. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already. And if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live. If you’re a human being, you could stop the video now and move on to the next one.

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