Here is what is wrong with Podshow (and maybe how to fix it)

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Here is what is wrong with Podshow (and maybe how to fix it)

I’ve been collecting Twitters from folks about Podshow’s campaign:

Mike Yusi: Is anyone else on Podshow getting emails complaining about the new openings?
P. W. Fenton: Better question: Is anyone not?
P_Dub: Some podcasters have avoided putting out podcasts until the one minute “suck less” goes away.
Mike Yusi: P Dub: I actually got someone that said they weren’t going to listen to any more of my shows until they change it.
C. C. Chapman: @UCRadio – I have already lost some listeners due to it.
Rob Usdin: Podshow needs to use the radio model – have 5-10 different spots ready to go at the get-go – rotate them. Less listener fatigue.
Rob Usdin: @P_Dub: See my comment to noebie re: having multiple spots ready at one time. Want me to listen? Make it so I have a reason to.
Ranslow: I listen to a lot of podcasts from Podshow. The new intro is annoying after awhile. How about some variation on the theme.
Matthew Ebel: Hey PodShow… the 60-second Suck Less crap is making me stop listening to your podcasts. CC and R&RG are all that remain on my iPod
Britney Mason: Wondering if i listen to too many, PodShow Podcasts…They can suckless by coming up withnew plug for Suckless, tired of hearing it already
Britney Mason: I do luv My PodShow friends, but not sure what knowing how much I make per year has to do with suckingless…
Britney Mason: PodShow should put together a podcast like bluberry does.. let people know whats going on..be open!
Britney Mason: Okay then not to turn this into a PodShow pick on session..where does the $25 mill VC go? equipment?

All of these comments were made publicly on Twitter. They indicate a serious problem in the marketing department and in many ways, in the corporate culture of Podshow. Here’s what is broken about Podshow: Podshow believes it is the most important part of its network.

It isn’t. Not by a long stretch. What is?

The podcasters. The people who are providing the content for the network. Podshow has some of the finest, best podcasts online – Lifespring, Managing the Gray, Digital Flotsam, UC Radio, the Jersey Todd Show, Pacific Coast Hellway, Accident Hash, Phedippidations, Geek Brief, the ReMARKable Palate, U Turn Cafe… I could go on for quite some time. The network derives its value from the content its members are providing it, and by extension, the audience that is attracted to that content.

What’s broken is that Podshow treats its content producers as commodities. What do I mean?

Example: the Super Panel. You don’t need a Super Panel to tell you what listeners want. Listeners do that already with each of the shows they listen to. Look at the comments on AccidentHash.com. Look at the sales of tracks in iTunes from podsafe artists. Look at the subscriber base, server statistics. Listeners are already telling your content producers what they want, and the most successful shows are listening and changing to fit their audiences’ needs.

Example: Suck Less. This may have been funny in a conference room somewhere, but hearing Suck anything in front of shows like Lifespring, which has a dedicated, super-family friend focus, or in front of Managing the Gray, a business show that has executives (like myself) listening, is just inappropriate. Asking your producers, “Hey, what do you think of this new campaign?” before you start putting it in front of their shows is not only a good idea, it’s also professional courtesy.

Example: Podshow Plus. I’ve asked many Podshow-contracted producers about the tools they receive when they sign onto the network or how it’s performing. I’ve been told that frankly, there really aren’t any. There’s no indicator of how large the network actually is (44,067 as of 1:50 PM ET 6/1/07) or how fast it’s growing. What’s more, Podshow controls the Podshow Plus platform – why do their content producers, especially the ones under contract, have to manually DIG people like any other user? Why wouldn’t you give them special tools to reach the entire 44,067 registered users to promote your premium shows?

Example: Contract. Keith and the Girl made quite a show about this, but fundamentally, why wouldn’t Podshow publish a standard contract for everyone to see? At the Student Loan Network, our affiliate contract is public, open, and a matter of record, so prospective affiliates can see what the terms are and whether it’s worth their time to sign up.

Example: Sirius. Did anyone ever explain to the podcasters WHY the Sirius contract vanished so suddenly?

How do you fix something like this that’s broken? Change focus. Your podcasters need Podshow for its ability to aggregate advertising dollars across a network, broker deals, do promotion, and provide tools. The function of the podcast network is a lot like a well-run, ethical record label like Binary Star Music. They take care of all the administrative functions for the artist so the artist can focus on making music. They even help the artist improve their music.

A podcast network needs to do exactly the same and more so. Provide podcasters with great marketing tools – MySpace data managers, mailing list software, podcast widgets, chicklets, blog themes, anything and everything you can use for guerrilla digital marketing. Heck, I give away most of my tools when I present podcast marketing at PodCamps – Podshow should be doing the same thing on a network-wide scale.

Treat your podcasters not as commodities, but as talent, as rockstars. Make them the rightful stars of their shows with tools like inexpensive press releases, search engine optimization for their show notes, webinars and seminars for them to learn how to improve their shows, and more.

I have no plans to start a podcast network. I don’t have enough free time as it is. If I were to, however, I’d invest the bulk of my time helping podcasters who joined the network with so many tools that any independent podcaster who wanted to grow their audience as fast and as large as possible would be insane NOT to join the network. Tools, metrics, advertisers, everything I could find to help them be insanely successful immediately, because the more listeners they gathered, the more advertising dollars I could raise.

Let me also be clear about this: I hold no animosity towards Podshow or any other network except for what it earns. I very, very much want Podshow and ALL podcasters to succeed, to grow, to be able to QYDJ if they so desire, or become new media rockstars. To that end, I want Podshow to suck less by helping their rockstars instead of focusing on the organization itself. The network is nothing without the people who produce for it.

Bottom line: help your podcasters become the very best they can be, and network growth will take care of itself.

THAT is how you suck less.

Comments

110 responses to “Here is what is wrong with Podshow (and maybe how to fix it)”

  1. Matthew Ebel Avatar

    Something I always advocated was not signing up anyone who wants to be part of PodShow. Being a “label” of sorts means associating your brand with a standard of quality- establishing yourself as a filter. Giving anyone with a mic the “PodShow Family” label dilutes the filter so much it’s as useless as the iTunes directory.

    Then, once you’re only representing a select few QUALITY podcasts, you actually promote the SHOWS, not the network. Spend the VC dollars on advertising for the shows, then those new listeners will generate ad revenue for your clients.

    It’s not a short-term profitable business model, not remotely. But it’s the only way to make your brand MEAN a damn thing.

    Pax,
    Matthew

  2. BUCKET Corey Avatar

    As much as I’m not a fan of anything more that 10-seconds long at the beginning of a podcast, why can’t you just fast-forward past the “suck less” promo. I mean, this isn’t live radio after all. The MP3 player does have a FFWD button right?

  3. AndyCast Andy Avatar

    Amen Chris.

    Well thought out and well said.

    You should submit this to their “contest”.

    🙂

    Andy Bilodeau
    http://andycast.net

  4. Whitney Avatar

    The problem is the “stick it to the man” people have become “the man” in some respects. For example, I spoke with a podshow person at a conference, who said all sorts of nice platitudes, and how we should talk after, yet they never returned my email following up afterwards, even as a general contact. This just led me to believe that as much as I enjoy the content producers, the official reps may not be as sincere- all talk, no action. Nice words, content free speech. No there there. If that’s my experience, I am sure many others have had similar.
    I am not nor have I ever been looking for a podcasting sugar daddy to come and take me away from all of this….I expect that I have my own creative control and therefore, I am also solely responsible for my success or failure, and this covers web design, promotion, scheduling interviews- you name it.
    However, even on a shoestring, I live by this motto- If you say you are going to do something- do it. No empty promises.
    The problem with podshow is one of credibility. That’s really hard to fix, but even the small things, like returning emails and phone calls, would go a long way to making people feel like Podshow cares- besides- it’s just common courtesy.

  5. Les Zaldor Avatar

    Well said Chris! I think you hit the nail on the head… Podshow needs to treat the producers of their shows as people, not as dollar signs. As a man who’s name is Les, I completely agree with you on the ‘Suck Less’ campaign – nothing worse than starting to listen to a podcast, where you hear a guy chanting they need help sucking me! 😉

  6. Les Zaldor Avatar

    Well said Chris! I think you hit the nail on the head… Podshow needs to treat the producers of their shows as people, not as dollar signs. As a man who’s name is Les, I completely agree with you on the ‘Suck Less’ campaign – nothing worse than starting to listen to a podcast, where you hear a guy chanting they need help sucking me! 😉

  7. Neil Ford Avatar

    Christopher

    I think you have hit the nail squarely on the head. Fantastic post!

    We can only hope that the powers that be at Podshow sit up and take notice at the backlash the Suck Less campaign has generated and act fast. Even one show losing one listener over it is one too many.

    Time for a major re-think I believe.

    – Neil.

  8. Neil Ford Avatar

    Christopher

    I think you have hit the nail squarely on the head. Fantastic post!

    We can only hope that the powers that be at Podshow sit up and take notice at the backlash the Suck Less campaign has generated and act fast. Even one show losing one listener over it is one too many.

    Time for a major re-think I believe.

    – Neil.

  9. Neil Ford Avatar

    Bucket Corey

    When you have both hands on the wheel, reaching over to spin the click wheel isn’t necessarily the smartest thing to do. And when you are your sixth short show of a journey, you can only take so much of a catchy jingle and Cali Lewis reading a script.

    – Neil.

  10. Neil Ford Avatar

    Bucket Corey

    When you have both hands on the wheel, reaching over to spin the click wheel isn’t necessarily the smartest thing to do. And when you are your sixth short show of a journey, you can only take so much of a catchy jingle and Cali Lewis reading a script.

    – Neil.

  11. Mike Wills Avatar

    I took the survey and was quite harsh. Not because it is Podshow, but because I personally don’t like some of the things they do with the pre-rolls and their website is just too clunky to me. As soon as I hear the “Another Podshow…” I immediately reach for the fast forward button.

    Podshow does need to change, I don’t mind the post-roll or even a couple second pre-roll (listen to my show for a good example (http://mikeshotdish.com). But when I know I have to skip 15 – 60 seconds that gets really ridiculous.

  12. Mike Wills Avatar

    I took the survey and was quite harsh. Not because it is Podshow, but because I personally don’t like some of the things they do with the pre-rolls and their website is just too clunky to me. As soon as I hear the “Another Podshow…” I immediately reach for the fast forward button.

    Podshow does need to change, I don’t mind the post-roll or even a couple second pre-roll (listen to my show for a good example (http://mikeshotdish.com). But when I know I have to skip 15 – 60 seconds that gets really ridiculous.

  13. bill streeter Avatar

    This hits the nail on the head. I was very excited at the prospect of Podshow when it was announced, but to look at what they have become 2 years on, is really disappointing. It seems that their model is based on a lot of what was bad about the old media instead of the other way around. In traditional commercial radio the audience is the commodity, the product to be sold to their customers, which are the advertisers. That’s why radio sucks. Because you feel that–you hear that when you listen to it. It seems that Podshows model is to treat both the audience and the producers like commodities. And this makes it particularly interesting when you hear AC say things like the “audience are the producers” or “advertising is content” what does that reveal about what they are doing and thinking?

    I hope that podcasting in general succeeds as an industry. But I don’t really feel it so much for Podshow.

  14. bill streeter Avatar

    This hits the nail on the head. I was very excited at the prospect of Podshow when it was announced, but to look at what they have become 2 years on, is really disappointing. It seems that their model is based on a lot of what was bad about the old media instead of the other way around. In traditional commercial radio the audience is the commodity, the product to be sold to their customers, which are the advertisers. That’s why radio sucks. Because you feel that–you hear that when you listen to it. It seems that Podshows model is to treat both the audience and the producers like commodities. And this makes it particularly interesting when you hear AC say things like the “audience are the producers” or “advertising is content” what does that reveal about what they are doing and thinking?

    I hope that podcasting in general succeeds as an industry. But I don’t really feel it so much for Podshow.

  15. Justin Kownacki Avatar

    I’m sure I’d have something to say on the subject, but I haven’t been able to join Podshow as a user because they keep saying I already am one, even though they never validated my email. They also don’t have a quick fix for that on their site.

    Thus, my identity is locked out, and I don’t care enough to fix it. I hear I’m not alone on this either. I shouldn’t have to work THAT HARD to join a website — though that does encapsulate what PodShow must think of its worth…

  16. Justin Kownacki Avatar

    I’m sure I’d have something to say on the subject, but I haven’t been able to join Podshow as a user because they keep saying I already am one, even though they never validated my email. They also don’t have a quick fix for that on their site.

    Thus, my identity is locked out, and I don’t care enough to fix it. I hear I’m not alone on this either. I shouldn’t have to work THAT HARD to join a website — though that does encapsulate what PodShow must think of its worth…

  17. Chef Mark Avatar

    Mr Penn, as usual, you have many well thought out and expressed points. And I thank you for including me in your list of quality shows (BTW, the URL you gave was for my personal chef service..the show is best found at http://www.culinarypodcastnetwork.com)

    In many ways, Podshow has made itself into a touchstone by being the first and the biggest to do many of the things they’re doing. That by it’s nature will draw alot of ire and criticism. And, like any other large ship, it’s a lot harder to turn around than a little dingy. We all liked the maneuverability of the dingy, but we also like the amenities of the yacht.

    As annoying as the preroll ads are (and I think it’s ESSENTIAL that they listen to audience members complaints about these), the very fact that they created a campaign around making improvements, and are having fun with it is laudable. You make an excellent point that this tactic may not work with all the content, and there should be 3 or 4 scenarios, and different targeting campaigns for the same final goal. Business or religious podcasts will be better served with a different approach.

    And Les Zaldor, we should all have such a problem…

  18. Chef Mark Avatar

    Mr Penn, as usual, you have many well thought out and expressed points. And I thank you for including me in your list of quality shows (BTW, the URL you gave was for my personal chef service..the show is best found at http://www.culinarypodcastnetwork.com)

    In many ways, Podshow has made itself into a touchstone by being the first and the biggest to do many of the things they’re doing. That by it’s nature will draw alot of ire and criticism. And, like any other large ship, it’s a lot harder to turn around than a little dingy. We all liked the maneuverability of the dingy, but we also like the amenities of the yacht.

    As annoying as the preroll ads are (and I think it’s ESSENTIAL that they listen to audience members complaints about these), the very fact that they created a campaign around making improvements, and are having fun with it is laudable. You make an excellent point that this tactic may not work with all the content, and there should be 3 or 4 scenarios, and different targeting campaigns for the same final goal. Business or religious podcasts will be better served with a different approach.

    And Les Zaldor, we should all have such a problem…

  19. Steve Avatar

    There’s a great quote from a Wired article about the poor launch of the PS3: “PR fiascoes tend to be a sign that nobody’s thinking about the customer.” (Full article at http://urltea.com/ogl)

    That’s obviously true here. If Podshow was thinking about the customer, they’d probably rethink their pre-roll strategy entirely; at the very least, they’d realize that putting the same 60-second ad in front of all the shows on their network (including the ones who are just hosting on the PDN but haven’t signed a contract) would make a lot of listeners angry. A main reason a lot of podcast listeners don’t listen to the radio any more is because they’re tired of being assaulted by commercials and of hearing the same thing over and over again. It amazes me that they thought it was going to be received well. Hopefully they’ll take some lessons from this and come up with a better way to announce their future campaigns.

  20. Steve Avatar

    There’s a great quote from a Wired article about the poor launch of the PS3: “PR fiascoes tend to be a sign that nobody’s thinking about the customer.” (Full article at http://urltea.com/ogl)

    That’s obviously true here. If Podshow was thinking about the customer, they’d probably rethink their pre-roll strategy entirely; at the very least, they’d realize that putting the same 60-second ad in front of all the shows on their network (including the ones who are just hosting on the PDN but haven’t signed a contract) would make a lot of listeners angry. A main reason a lot of podcast listeners don’t listen to the radio any more is because they’re tired of being assaulted by commercials and of hearing the same thing over and over again. It amazes me that they thought it was going to be received well. Hopefully they’ll take some lessons from this and come up with a better way to announce their future campaigns.

  21. Dan Gorgone Avatar

    Actually, my experience has been very similar to Justin’s in that the website Podshow launched many moons ago was so riddled with problems and so user unfriendly that I never bothered to go back. (I’m a podcaster, but am I also a listener? Can’t I be the same person… Everything under one roof…? Gah.)

    And when are they every going to update the PMN? If it wasn’t for the new music being added to it, I might think the site was abandoned. There are so many missed opportunities for them and for us (the artists)…

  22. Dan Gorgone Avatar

    Actually, my experience has been very similar to Justin’s in that the website Podshow launched many moons ago was so riddled with problems and so user unfriendly that I never bothered to go back. (I’m a podcaster, but am I also a listener? Can’t I be the same person… Everything under one roof…? Gah.)

    And when are they every going to update the PMN? If it wasn’t for the new music being added to it, I might think the site was abandoned. There are so many missed opportunities for them and for us (the artists)…

  23. Shane Robinson Avatar

    As almost everyone else above has already said, you’re right on the mark, Christopher.

    First let me say that, several of my “Do Not Miss” shows are on the Podshow Network. Mostly, anything CC Chapman puts out. And the people that I’ve met that work at Podshow have all been really great people who are very excited about what they’re doing there.

    We had some meetings with Podshow very early on. Went to their offices, had the tour, was given the pitch about how they were changing media and that if we became part of the network we could quit our day jobs. This was by invitation, back before they opened it to everyone. 15 months later and nothing has really changed except that their site has become more unusable and confusing and it’s become really clear that the management actually doesn’t walk-the-talk of changing media. They talk about it. But they don’t actually get it.

    It’s really an issue of old world style management practices. It appears they think what worked before in their previous companies will work again. That just doesn’t seem to be the case this time around.

    They certainly could learn some lessons by watching what Todd Cochran is doing with his networks. Side note: I’m not a member of any of his networks but I know him personally and with Todd, what you see is what you get and he’s as open as anything I’ve seen in the New Media Networks space.

    The question I would love to ask those podcasters that joined the network very early on is, “Knowing what you know now, if you could do it all over again, would you still have signed up with Podshow?” Then a follow up question, “Have you thought about leaving Podshow, and if so, why haven’t you left yet?”

  24. DHP Avatar

    My numbers for May (when the promotion began) were down for the first time ever since joining PodShow. Not sure if there’s a correlation, but…

  25. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Dan – the PMN is one area where I am legitimately angry with Podshow. You’re right to say it’s practically abandoned, and in doing so, Podshow missed a golden opportunity to promote independent music in ways no one has ever thought of. Bum Rush the Charts (Corey from IODA – PLEASE return my emails about BRTC sales data soon!) and Virtual Hot Wings were two instances of independent podcasters and producers putting together an ad hoc promotion for independent musicians with nearly no budget and no extensive planning. Both campaigns broke new ground and are doing good things even today for the artists that were involved.

    The reality is that audio podcasting probably will never have as large an audience as video, just as radio doesn’t have as large an audience as television. That said, there are still 100 million iPods out there, still 35 million Americans alone with broadband, that we can connect to the music we love and support. I would love to see a podcasting network or a new media company throw an enterprise-grade effort behind independent music the way it initially looked like the PMN was going to go, back when C.C. Chapman got it started two years ago.

  26. DHP Avatar

    Great post, Chris. It was very insightful. Regarding the branding of ‘Suckless,’ I agree with your comments that in a conference room it may have sounded cute and funny. In application, however, ‘Suckless’ as a marketing campaign, frankly, sucks. The phrase ‘help us suck less’ implies that even if one gets involved, provides information, etc, at the end of the campaign PodShow may ‘suck less,’ but it will still suck. That is NOT how a company wants the users to think of it’s services.

  27. […] Now it’s being reported that people are unsubscribing from Podshow podcasts due to the S I X T Y second ‘help us suck less’ advert at the start of E V E R Y Podshow podcast. Oh my goodness. What were they thinking? But when you take stock of the fact that the company makes no effort to hide the drug use that goes on at the highest levels – among the people who make the decisions within the company, decisions that will affect ALL of the producers using their network, and in turn all of their listeners – is it any surprise that they just can’t get it right? […]

  28. Kevin Kennedy-Spaien Avatar

    Very well put, Christopher. I will certainly take everything you said to heart for my people. If GNMH could afford you, I’d hire you as a consultant in a heart beat!

  29. bill streeter Avatar

    Steve,

    I think the problem is that they are thinking about their customers … too much. It’s just that the customer isn’t who you think it is. As a podcaster and listener you aren’t the customer, you are the product.

  30. bill streeter Avatar

    Steve,

    I think the problem is that they are thinking about their customers … too much. It’s just that the customer isn’t who you think it is. As a podcaster and listener you aren’t the customer, you are the product.

  31. Mike Wills Avatar

    On the PMN… I have been using the IODA Promonet for a couple weeks now (seriously using it). First lets talk about IODA. I see two problems (or rather annoyances) with their system.

    1. You can’t just add it to a list to be downloaded later.
    2. Some of the genres aren’t very specific.

    I can see the PMN being the leader, but they aren’t right now. What I would like to see is the ability for an artist to tag their music. So if it is “Hard Rock, Hip Hop/Rap, Christian” they can tag it as such. There is only a hundred genres on the PMN, can we cut that down to major classifications then use tags beyond that? Then on the producer side, give us the ability to group songs and automatically create the required links for us (like IODA does). Also, I would like to monitor my favorite artists to see if they released new music and monitor my favorite genres.

    These are just a few of the things I can see for the PMN.

  32. Mike Wills Avatar

    On the PMN… I have been using the IODA Promonet for a couple weeks now (seriously using it). First lets talk about IODA. I see two problems (or rather annoyances) with their system.

    1. You can’t just add it to a list to be downloaded later.
    2. Some of the genres aren’t very specific.

    I can see the PMN being the leader, but they aren’t right now. What I would like to see is the ability for an artist to tag their music. So if it is “Hard Rock, Hip Hop/Rap, Christian” they can tag it as such. There is only a hundred genres on the PMN, can we cut that down to major classifications then use tags beyond that? Then on the producer side, give us the ability to group songs and automatically create the required links for us (like IODA does). Also, I would like to monitor my favorite artists to see if they released new music and monitor my favorite genres.

    These are just a few of the things I can see for the PMN.

  33. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Ok, this was odd to see in the trackbacks:

    “But when you take stock of the fact that the company makes no effort to hide the drug use that goes on at the highest levels – among the people who make the decisions within the company, decisions that will affect ALL of the producers using their network, and in turn all of their listeners – is it any surprise that they just can’t get it right?”

    Huh?

    It’s certainly no secret that Adam Curry uses marijuana; he’s said so as much many times on his show. What other allegations have been made?

  34. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Ok, this was odd to see in the trackbacks:

    “But when you take stock of the fact that the company makes no effort to hide the drug use that goes on at the highest levels – among the people who make the decisions within the company, decisions that will affect ALL of the producers using their network, and in turn all of their listeners – is it any surprise that they just can’t get it right?”

    Huh?

    It’s certainly no secret that Adam Curry uses marijuana; he’s said so as much many times on his show. What other allegations have been made?

  35. kathryn Jones Avatar

    You totally hit the nail on the head chris with your comment about treating podcasters as a commodity… this is not only true about podshow, it is common across a number of different podcasting and video viewing platforms… the result is that numbers trump content quality everytime in the eyes and interests of these companies …and yes..its working for now…almost everything is this brave new world is working on some level right now..but I fear we are setting ourselves up for a backlash…there will come a time when podcasting and on line video will no longer be the exciting, new, anything goes medium and when the health of the new media movement will depend on compelling quality content. A company with a real investment in podcasting and on line video… a company that is in it for the long term, that is genuinely passionate about new media would behoove itself to nurture the rockstars of tomorrow alongside the cars crashing into buildings of today.

  36. kathryn Jones Avatar

    You totally hit the nail on the head chris with your comment about treating podcasters as a commodity… this is not only true about podshow, it is common across a number of different podcasting and video viewing platforms… the result is that numbers trump content quality everytime in the eyes and interests of these companies …and yes..its working for now…almost everything is this brave new world is working on some level right now..but I fear we are setting ourselves up for a backlash…there will come a time when podcasting and on line video will no longer be the exciting, new, anything goes medium and when the health of the new media movement will depend on compelling quality content. A company with a real investment in podcasting and on line video… a company that is in it for the long term, that is genuinely passionate about new media would behoove itself to nurture the rockstars of tomorrow alongside the cars crashing into buildings of today.

  37. Mark - tartanstories.com Avatar

    “Ok, this was odd to see in the trackbacks:

    “But when you take stock of the fact that the company makes no effort to hide the drug use that goes on at the highest levels – among the people who make the decisions within the company, decisions that will affect ALL of the producers using their network, and in turn all of their listeners – is it any surprise that they just can’t get it right?”

    Huh?

    It’s certainly no secret that Adam Curry uses marijuana; he’s said so as much many times on his show. What other allegations have been made?

    Need there be other allegations (although there are, but haven’t been made public)? When you’ve got the president of the company having his pot smoking as a trademark (well documented; pick a DSC) and revelling in it in the style of a 17 year old boy circa 1981 then you sense there’s problems in the boardroom, no?

  38. Mark - tartanstories.com Avatar

    “Ok, this was odd to see in the trackbacks:

    “But when you take stock of the fact that the company makes no effort to hide the drug use that goes on at the highest levels – among the people who make the decisions within the company, decisions that will affect ALL of the producers using their network, and in turn all of their listeners – is it any surprise that they just can’t get it right?”

    Huh?

    It’s certainly no secret that Adam Curry uses marijuana; he’s said so as much many times on his show. What other allegations have been made?

    Need there be other allegations (although there are, but haven’t been made public)? When you’ve got the president of the company having his pot smoking as a trademark (well documented; pick a DSC) and revelling in it in the style of a 17 year old boy circa 1981 then you sense there’s problems in the boardroom, no?

  39. Chef Mark Avatar

    Good point, Kathryn.

    And while Tartan Mark’s point is well taken, I think it’s just a low blow to equate being open about smoking pot to being fiscally irresponsible. Other companies are likely run by guys doing 8 balls and smoking crack with train tracks running up their arms, but we just don’t know about it. Adam’s openness in this case isn’t a sign of malfeasance, just that he’s honest about his use of a common drug that many also use. (and no, I’m not an apologist, Adam’s a big boy, I just think that this line of discussion obfuscates the real issue, which is an important one)

  40. Chef Mark Avatar

    Good point, Kathryn.

    And while Tartan Mark’s point is well taken, I think it’s just a low blow to equate being open about smoking pot to being fiscally irresponsible. Other companies are likely run by guys doing 8 balls and smoking crack with train tracks running up their arms, but we just don’t know about it. Adam’s openness in this case isn’t a sign of malfeasance, just that he’s honest about his use of a common drug that many also use. (and no, I’m not an apologist, Adam’s a big boy, I just think that this line of discussion obfuscates the real issue, which is an important one)

  41. bill streeter Avatar

    I agree. I don’t think that his pot smoking should be the issue. Lots of responsible, productive, adults smoke weed. And lots of totally clean people are complete irresponsible douchbags. Dope’s got nothing to do with it.

  42. bill streeter Avatar

    I agree. I don’t think that his pot smoking should be the issue. Lots of responsible, productive, adults smoke weed. And lots of totally clean people are complete irresponsible douchbags. Dope’s got nothing to do with it.

  43. Chris (Amateur Traveler podcas Avatar

    I also thought that a minute long pre-roll was way too long.

    In answer to the question of “Is anyone not getting complaints from users?”, I would have to say that I have not gotten any. The vast majority of my audience is getting the enhanced version of my podcast and that file format (AAC) currently does not support pre-roll ads. 🙂

  44. Chris (Amateur Traveler podcast) Avatar

    I also thought that a minute long pre-roll was way too long.

    In answer to the question of “Is anyone not getting complaints from users?”, I would have to say that I have not gotten any. The vast majority of my audience is getting the enhanced version of my podcast and that file format (AAC) currently does not support pre-roll ads. 🙂

  45. Chris Brogan... Avatar

    When you hire experts from a professional industry to create a new industry, isn’t it likely that they will repeat what they know? That’s why they’re experts. What I think this does, this experience, is gives us eyes into something that’s hidden from us in the traditional media matrix. I don’t know, not being an expert from that world, but I see something similar happening in a few places in my life right now.

    Not that they owe you something, but I’m surprised that a new media player wouldn’t have sent their community developers to your site to open the conversation on all fronts.

  46. Chris Brogan... Avatar

    When you hire experts from a professional industry to create a new industry, isn’t it likely that they will repeat what they know? That’s why they’re experts. What I think this does, this experience, is gives us eyes into something that’s hidden from us in the traditional media matrix. I don’t know, not being an expert from that world, but I see something similar happening in a few places in my life right now.

    Not that they owe you something, but I’m surprised that a new media player wouldn’t have sent their community developers to your site to open the conversation on all fronts.

  47. Matthew Ebel Avatar

    Something I always advocated was not signing up anyone who wants to be part of PodShow. Being a “label” of sorts means associating your brand with a standard of quality- establishing yourself as a filter. Giving anyone with a mic the “PodShow Family” label dilutes the filter so much it’s as useless as the iTunes directory.

    Then, once you’re only representing a select few QUALITY podcasts, you actually promote the SHOWS, not the network. Spend the VC dollars on advertising for the shows, then those new listeners will generate ad revenue for your clients.

    It’s not a short-term profitable business model, not remotely. But it’s the only way to make your brand MEAN a damn thing.

    Pax,
    Matthew

  48. BUCKET Corey Avatar

    As much as I’m not a fan of anything more that 10-seconds long at the beginning of a podcast, why can’t you just fast-forward past the “suck less” promo. I mean, this isn’t live radio after all. The MP3 player does have a FFWD button right?

  49. Aaron Burcell Avatar

    I know that you’re all ranting and that you take the good from PodShow along with the bad.
    But, because of my close ties to PodShow (dislcaimer: the Podpimp is a shareholder), I have to ask — how many of you have contacted Richard Brewer-Hay or Joe Carpenter this week? How many have contacted since the campaign started? How many of you have called Richard and Joe or emailed them with the same vigor as your comments here?

    I’m not trying to be a dick or an apologist. However, I read threads like this and I cringe.
    I’ve been on the other side of this collective barrage before. I have literally been in meetings at PodShow, where I’m trying to solicit feedback on advertising and programming over the phone and the other end of the line is the sound of crickets. Sometimes that call is overseas or back east at some ungodly hour. And, I, Richard or Joe, were sitting there really trying to represent your voices and advocate your position at PodShow. A few minutes later, I’d find that the same quiet podcaster on the phone was simultaneously ranting and leveling harsh and honest criticisms in blogs, IM’s, emails.
    I don’t dispute any of your positions, but I have to ask — are you throwing Richard and Joe under the bus with these comments? How many of you were on conference calls with Richard and or Joe this week? Did you tell them how much you hated the promo? Are you being honest with these guys? Or are you making a very difficult job that much harder for these guys?
    I’m just asking that you extend these guys the professional courtesy of being honest with them so that they don’t have slink in and out of the office for a week because you guys decided to sound off collectively without telling them why you’re pissed off.

  50. Aaron Burcell Avatar

    I know that you’re all ranting and that you take the good from PodShow along with the bad.
    But, because of my close ties to PodShow (dislcaimer: the Podpimp is a shareholder), I have to ask — how many of you have contacted Richard Brewer-Hay or Joe Carpenter this week? How many have contacted since the campaign started? How many of you have called Richard and Joe or emailed them with the same vigor as your comments here?

    I’m not trying to be a dick or an apologist. However, I read threads like this and I cringe.
    I’ve been on the other side of this collective barrage before. I have literally been in meetings at PodShow, where I’m trying to solicit feedback on advertising and programming over the phone and the other end of the line is the sound of crickets. Sometimes that call is overseas or back east at some ungodly hour. And, I, Richard or Joe, were sitting there really trying to represent your voices and advocate your position at PodShow. A few minutes later, I’d find that the same quiet podcaster on the phone was simultaneously ranting and leveling harsh and honest criticisms in blogs, IM’s, emails.
    I don’t dispute any of your positions, but I have to ask — are you throwing Richard and Joe under the bus with these comments? How many of you were on conference calls with Richard and or Joe this week? Did you tell them how much you hated the promo? Are you being honest with these guys? Or are you making a very difficult job that much harder for these guys?
    I’m just asking that you extend these guys the professional courtesy of being honest with them so that they don’t have slink in and out of the office for a week because you guys decided to sound off collectively without telling them why you’re pissed off.

  51. AndyCast Andy Avatar
    AndyCast Andy

    Amen Chris.

    Well thought out and well said.

    You should submit this to their “contest”.

    🙂

    Andy Bilodeau
    http://andycast.net

  52. Whitney Avatar

    The problem is the “stick it to the man” people have become “the man” in some respects. For example, I spoke with a podshow person at a conference, who said all sorts of nice platitudes, and how we should talk after, yet they never returned my email following up afterwards, even as a general contact. This just led me to believe that as much as I enjoy the content producers, the official reps may not be as sincere- all talk, no action. Nice words, content free speech. No there there. If that’s my experience, I am sure many others have had similar.
    I am not nor have I ever been looking for a podcasting sugar daddy to come and take me away from all of this….I expect that I have my own creative control and therefore, I am also solely responsible for my success or failure, and this covers web design, promotion, scheduling interviews- you name it.
    However, even on a shoestring, I live by this motto- If you say you are going to do something- do it. No empty promises.
    The problem with podshow is one of credibility. That’s really hard to fix, but even the small things, like returning emails and phone calls, would go a long way to making people feel like Podshow cares- besides- it’s just common courtesy.

  53. […] quoted in a recent blog post by Christopher […]

  54. David Jacobs Avatar

    Ironic that in trying to “suck less”, Podshow sucks. The original Earthlink ads also sucked. Podshow Plus sucks. For a company with so much money and talent, I’ve always wondered how they could suck so much. But you are dead on because the one thing that doesn’t suck at Podshow are the producers. Even the original PMN, which I still like and use today was produced by CC. The problem now is I don’t really care anymore; it’s not my problem and Podshow hasn’t engendered enough good will to make me want to care. There was a time when Podcasters got all hot and bothered about what Podshow did. Now, I don’t think they care much anymore. That could be the most dangerous thing of all. Podshow talks a big game, but I’ve rarely seen them come through and deliver. A lot of things they do seem to fizzle out. If you really want to suck less, why leach me for demographic info? Just ask. I might tell you, if I cared.

  55. David Jacobs Avatar

    Ironic that in trying to “suck less”, Podshow sucks. The original Earthlink ads also sucked. Podshow Plus sucks. For a company with so much money and talent, I’ve always wondered how they could suck so much. But you are dead on because the one thing that doesn’t suck at Podshow are the producers. Even the original PMN, which I still like and use today was produced by CC. The problem now is I don’t really care anymore; it’s not my problem and Podshow hasn’t engendered enough good will to make me want to care. There was a time when Podcasters got all hot and bothered about what Podshow did. Now, I don’t think they care much anymore. That could be the most dangerous thing of all. Podshow talks a big game, but I’ve rarely seen them come through and deliver. A lot of things they do seem to fizzle out. If you really want to suck less, why leach me for demographic info? Just ask. I might tell you, if I cared.

  56. Shane Robinson Avatar

    As almost everyone else above has already said, you’re right on the mark, Christopher.

    First let me say that, several of my “Do Not Miss” shows are on the Podshow Network. Mostly, anything CC Chapman puts out. And the people that I’ve met that work at Podshow have all been really great people who are very excited about what they’re doing there.

    We had some meetings with Podshow very early on. Went to their offices, had the tour, was given the pitch about how they were changing media and that if we became part of the network we could quit our day jobs. This was by invitation, back before they opened it to everyone. 15 months later and nothing has really changed except that their site has become more unusable and confusing and it’s become really clear that the management actually doesn’t walk-the-talk of changing media. They talk about it. But they don’t actually get it.

    It’s really an issue of old world style management practices. It appears they think what worked before in their previous companies will work again. That just doesn’t seem to be the case this time around.

    They certainly could learn some lessons by watching what Todd Cochran is doing with his networks. Side note: I’m not a member of any of his networks but I know him personally and with Todd, what you see is what you get and he’s as open as anything I’ve seen in the New Media Networks space.

    The question I would love to ask those podcasters that joined the network very early on is, “Knowing what you know now, if you could do it all over again, would you still have signed up with Podshow?” Then a follow up question, “Have you thought about leaving Podshow, and if so, why haven’t you left yet?”

  57. DHP Avatar

    My numbers for May (when the promotion began) were down for the first time ever since joining PodShow. Not sure if there’s a correlation, but…

  58. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Dan – the PMN is one area where I am legitimately angry with Podshow. You’re right to say it’s practically abandoned, and in doing so, Podshow missed a golden opportunity to promote independent music in ways no one has ever thought of. Bum Rush the Charts (Corey from IODA – PLEASE return my emails about BRTC sales data soon!) and Virtual Hot Wings were two instances of independent podcasters and producers putting together an ad hoc promotion for independent musicians with nearly no budget and no extensive planning. Both campaigns broke new ground and are doing good things even today for the artists that were involved.

    The reality is that audio podcasting probably will never have as large an audience as video, just as radio doesn’t have as large an audience as television. That said, there are still 100 million iPods out there, still 35 million Americans alone with broadband, that we can connect to the music we love and support. I would love to see a podcasting network or a new media company throw an enterprise-grade effort behind independent music the way it initially looked like the PMN was going to go, back when C.C. Chapman got it started two years ago.

  59. DHP Avatar

    Great post, Chris. It was very insightful. Regarding the branding of ‘Suckless,’ I agree with your comments that in a conference room it may have sounded cute and funny. In application, however, ‘Suckless’ as a marketing campaign, frankly, sucks. The phrase ‘help us suck less’ implies that even if one gets involved, provides information, etc, at the end of the campaign PodShow may ‘suck less,’ but it will still suck. That is NOT how a company wants the users to think of it’s services.

  60. Kevin Kennedy-Spaien Avatar

    Very well put, Christopher. I will certainly take everything you said to heart for my people. If GNMH could afford you, I’d hire you as a consultant in a heart beat!

  61. Rob Usdin Avatar

    A couple of comments I made in an audio comment sent to Adam:

    http://www.usdin.net/suckless.mp3

    1 – The suck less survey seemed like it was going to get information they already knew – demographic and lite user feedback. Maybe there is to be more surveys – and I hope they focus in more detail,

    2 – The use of ePoll is unquestionably a mistake. Epoll has a pretty poor reputation, and their prize structure is pretty lame. 500 points for one survey – means I need 4 more surveys to get to the lowest prize – just a charity donation of my points. I need 6 more surveys to get to a prize of value – just a 5 gift card to McDonalds, Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks. That’s almost 2 hours of my time for5. My time is not worth $2.50 an hour. Moreover the prizes offered are ePoll’s standard prizes. Why not offer prizes more in line with Podshow’s corp identity? iTunes gift cards to every 10th person to fill out a survey or even iPod shuffles. Even a cheap 128MB flash drive – worth practically nothing bought in bulk – is useful to a tech-savvy user of Podshow.

    To the people who say “well just FFWD through the first 60 seconds” – I don’t think it’s that simple. If you offer content – it should be of some value. At the very least five to ten separate and unique spots would have created enough variety at launch to help stave off the complaints of repetition. I’m talking about totally unique takes. Let each of the hosts featured dothe spot themselves, rather then dropping voices into the same template.

    Also think about how people use podcasts. Say they are going jogging – they push play and start their jog and that damn Podshow promo starts off the podcast. FFWD? Not so easy when running. Get in the car, start podcast as you’re backing out of the garage….stop, FFWD… It’s annoying and you’re turning your listener off. At the very least if it was unique each time (or every tenth time) you reduce the fatigue of hearing them over and over.

    –*Rob

  62. Rob Usdin Avatar

    A couple of comments I made in an audio comment sent to Adam:

    http://www.usdin.net/suckless.mp3

    1 – The suck less survey seemed like it was going to get information they already knew – demographic and lite user feedback. Maybe there is to be more surveys – and I hope they focus in more detail,

    2 – The use of ePoll is unquestionably a mistake. Epoll has a pretty poor reputation, and their prize structure is pretty lame. 500 points for one survey – means I need 4 more surveys to get to the lowest prize – just a charity donation of my points. I need 6 more surveys to get to a prize of value – just a 5 gift card to McDonalds, Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks. That’s almost 2 hours of my time for5. My time is not worth $2.50 an hour. Moreover the prizes offered are ePoll’s standard prizes. Why not offer prizes more in line with Podshow’s corp identity? iTunes gift cards to every 10th person to fill out a survey or even iPod shuffles. Even a cheap 128MB flash drive – worth practically nothing bought in bulk – is useful to a tech-savvy user of Podshow.

    To the people who say “well just FFWD through the first 60 seconds” – I don’t think it’s that simple. If you offer content – it should be of some value. At the very least five to ten separate and unique spots would have created enough variety at launch to help stave off the complaints of repetition. I’m talking about totally unique takes. Let each of the hosts featured dothe spot themselves, rather then dropping voices into the same template.

    Also think about how people use podcasts. Say they are going jogging – they push play and start their jog and that damn Podshow promo starts off the podcast. FFWD? Not so easy when running. Get in the car, start podcast as you’re backing out of the garage….stop, FFWD… It’s annoying and you’re turning your listener off. At the very least if it was unique each time (or every tenth time) you reduce the fatigue of hearing them over and over.

    –*Rob

  63. AJ - BaldGuyShow Avatar

    Podshow needs to listen and not just dictate
    for 6 months I have not been able to upload my show to their servers, I had to open a personal server account again. Podshows site is very slow and chunky and reporting back can be a lot of work, I quite using music from podshow and I am for the most part just doing a CD revue show now! They need to fix that as well, If they fix the up-load problems and the speed of the site and the reporting of plays and they will suck less!

  64. AJ - BaldGuyShow Avatar

    Podshow needs to listen and not just dictate
    for 6 months I have not been able to upload my show to their servers, I had to open a personal server account again. Podshows site is very slow and chunky and reporting back can be a lot of work, I quite using music from podshow and I am for the most part just doing a CD revue show now! They need to fix that as well, If they fix the up-load problems and the speed of the site and the reporting of plays and they will suck less!

  65. Vinny aka Bernie Avatar

    Chris, I was right there with you. The 60 second spots make me crazy. The kludgy interface. The lack of any kind of connection or support unless you are, as Comic Strip Blogger calls it, a “Podshow Whore”. The inability to affect any branding choices around your show (for example, how about being able to say I’d like my DGAP’s to be Family Friendly, General Adult, or ‘Dawn and Drew’ level).

    I was listening to Adam this morning, and he reminded me of something. If podcasting is, at it’s core, a groundswell type of movement, lets fix it ourselves. Adam says he’ll put shorter, homespun audio in the DGAP rotation. I’m going to strap on a mic and hold him to his word.

    I was ready to bail, but I looked around at some of the alternatives. Everyone has trouble. I tried one of my shows on Podango. The audio quality sucked so bad (they compressed my show so hard it sounded like AM Radio) I bailed on that. I didn’t spend a year upgrading equipment and techniques to get hosed at the distribution level.

    As Roseann Roseanadana used to say, “It’s always something.” He’s been pushing me pretty hard, but as long as I think he’s still listening, I’ll keep telling him what I think, and offering him my help to fix it.

  66. Vinny aka Bernie Avatar

    Chris, I was right there with you. The 60 second spots make me crazy. The kludgy interface. The lack of any kind of connection or support unless you are, as Comic Strip Blogger calls it, a “Podshow Whore”. The inability to affect any branding choices around your show (for example, how about being able to say I’d like my DGAP’s to be Family Friendly, General Adult, or ‘Dawn and Drew’ level).

    I was listening to Adam this morning, and he reminded me of something. If podcasting is, at it’s core, a groundswell type of movement, lets fix it ourselves. Adam says he’ll put shorter, homespun audio in the DGAP rotation. I’m going to strap on a mic and hold him to his word.

    I was ready to bail, but I looked around at some of the alternatives. Everyone has trouble. I tried one of my shows on Podango. The audio quality sucked so bad (they compressed my show so hard it sounded like AM Radio) I bailed on that. I didn’t spend a year upgrading equipment and techniques to get hosed at the distribution level.

    As Roseann Roseanadana used to say, “It’s always something.” He’s been pushing me pretty hard, but as long as I think he’s still listening, I’ll keep telling him what I think, and offering him my help to fix it.

  67. Ed Roberts Avatar

    Thanks for the great post as always Chris. I sent Podshow an email immediately after hearing the first 1 minute preroll, and am shocked to still hear this going on over a week later.

    What scares me the most is that this may be a sign of things to come. If Podshow is willing to do a 59 second ad for their own network, how much easier will it be for them to do preroll ads for paying companies that are this long or even longer? Yes, podcasting has no time limits like traditional broadcasting in a technical sense. Those boundaries still exist in the minds of our audience.

    If you haven’t written Podshow yet, I encourage you to do so. Posting a comment here is great, but these need to be taken to the network itself.

  68. Ed Roberts Avatar

    Thanks for the great post as always Chris. I sent Podshow an email immediately after hearing the first 1 minute preroll, and am shocked to still hear this going on over a week later.

    What scares me the most is that this may be a sign of things to come. If Podshow is willing to do a 59 second ad for their own network, how much easier will it be for them to do preroll ads for paying companies that are this long or even longer? Yes, podcasting has no time limits like traditional broadcasting in a technical sense. Those boundaries still exist in the minds of our audience.

    If you haven’t written Podshow yet, I encourage you to do so. Posting a comment here is great, but these need to be taken to the network itself.

  69. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    @Aaron Burcell: Talked to Joe several times this week. He’s well aware of what’s going on.

    @Vinny: Already done. I submitted an 11 second pre-roll ad to Podshow for inclusion.

  70. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    @Aaron Burcell: Talked to Joe several times this week. He’s well aware of what’s going on.

    @Vinny: Already done. I submitted an 11 second pre-roll ad to Podshow for inclusion.

  71. […] grows out of that. I’m referring to things such as my post about the Edwards campaign and Chris Penn’s post about PodShow. Both have sparked some interesting conversation. It’ll be interesting to see where it all […]

  72. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    I’d like to explicitly invite any Podshow employee – Joe, Richard, Adam, anyone – to join the conversation. So far, we’ve had terrific input from everyone, constructive for the most part (I’ve had to delete one comment which was an ad hominem attack), but I’d also like to hear Podshow join the public debate.

  73. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    I’d like to explicitly invite any Podshow employee – Joe, Richard, Adam, anyone – to join the conversation. So far, we’ve had terrific input from everyone, constructive for the most part (I’ve had to delete one comment which was an ad hominem attack), but I’d also like to hear Podshow join the public debate.

  74. Neil Avatar
    Neil

    Totally agree on the Suck Less Promos. I passed an episode of the DSC to a co-worker last week, and his first taste of a “Podshow Property” was the indication that “Podshow Sucks”. He was totally confused, and although he skipped 30-40 seconds in, he was still subjected to discussion of how much what he was about to listen to (or was listening to) “sucked”.

    In the end, he didn’t listen to it. He later described the DSC as “that show that has the 2-3 minute introduction about sucking”….

    I don’t mind the pre-rolls or post-rolls… and I understand why they are there. But in a case like this, why not simply have your talent (show producers) ask their audiences to submit some feedback regarding their podshow experience.

    We live in a world where our demographics are self-selected based on subscription. Our shows (for the most part) have clearly defined subjects/themes/genres. Our listeners have a quite high propensity to be bloggers or podcasters themselves … or in the very least, much more comfortable with stating opinions online than your typical web user. Why rely on a survey?

    Here’s the perfect example…. I’ll turn the knife on myself. I tried the Podshow Suckless Zone. I wasn’t interested in points, or “cool prizes!!” (how lame does that sound), I just figured I had enough experience complaining about the podshowplus UI that I should voice these comments.

    I think I made it halfway through the registration. Didn’t submit. And here I am, posting it all on a blog.

    Thanks Chris – as usual, you are a ninja among men.

  75. TS Avatar
    TS

    I am a podcast listener and have been for the last two years. For the last two years, I have been waiting for podshow to do something amazing in the podcast space, and been VERY disappointed. So the first time the “suck less” spot played I checked it out, thinking that I could help make things better. Instead I found a e-poll survey.

    I once signed up to take an e-poll survey and regretted it because they spam you and share your user data on other sites that make deals with e-poll.

    Having watched Podshow operate for the last few years I am guessing they care less about your opinion and more about the users they will get from the e-poll system.

    So, what was I going to say in my survey?

    Want to suck less?

    1. Make a site that people can use. It looks pretty but it feels like it was designed by two flashy guys that have no idea (or care) what the user wants. This brings up a question I have had for a while… who at podshow is leading the design? Is it Adam and Ron Bloom? If so, maybe it’s time to hire someone that knows, or at least listens to what users want. What you have now is a bloated social network that tries to be everything for everyone. Here’s a newsflash: there are social networks that are much better then you will ever be. How about a focus on podcasts and work within social networks?

    2. Listen to your users. We know what we want. Don’t think you know better about what we want.

    3. Support your networks. I loved Podcast alley and the idea of the music network when they were started. But what has happened to them? I don’t see many updates of either (hell, you can still rip off music from the music network – how do they expect to sell music? And how are they getting labels to buy into the broken system?)

    4. Someone tell Ron Bloom he is a aging owner of a tech company and he may want to act like it. I saw a google video of him giving a speech. News flash Mr. Bloom… you are like 50 years old and own a tech company, time to stop your lame “I am so cool” act. You are not in hollywood, you can take off the cbgb’s t-shirt and the ripped jeans and act your age. IT’S NOT COOL, it is sad.

    I would not bring up number four except for the fact that I think this is one of the issues of podshow, they are delusional. They believe they are SO cool that they can do what they want and know what a 18 year old listener wants. This effects the product and how they treat their customers, and it makes fans like me stop listening (watching).

    Here is what is truly sad… I am using a comment on a blog to tell podshow what is wrong with the system because I don’t feel like anyone is listening at podshow.

  76. TS Avatar
    TS

    I am a podcast listener and have been for the last two years. For the last two years, I have been waiting for podshow to do something amazing in the podcast space, and been VERY disappointed. So the first time the “suck less” spot played I checked it out, thinking that I could help make things better. Instead I found a e-poll survey.

    I once signed up to take an e-poll survey and regretted it because they spam you and share your user data on other sites that make deals with e-poll.

    Having watched Podshow operate for the last few years I am guessing they care less about your opinion and more about the users they will get from the e-poll system.

    So, what was I going to say in my survey?

    Want to suck less?

    1. Make a site that people can use. It looks pretty but it feels like it was designed by two flashy guys that have no idea (or care) what the user wants. This brings up a question I have had for a while… who at podshow is leading the design? Is it Adam and Ron Bloom? If so, maybe it’s time to hire someone that knows, or at least listens to what users want. What you have now is a bloated social network that tries to be everything for everyone. Here’s a newsflash: there are social networks that are much better then you will ever be. How about a focus on podcasts and work within social networks?

    2. Listen to your users. We know what we want. Don’t think you know better about what we want.

    3. Support your networks. I loved Podcast alley and the idea of the music network when they were started. But what has happened to them? I don’t see many updates of either (hell, you can still rip off music from the music network – how do they expect to sell music? And how are they getting labels to buy into the broken system?)

    4. Someone tell Ron Bloom he is a aging owner of a tech company and he may want to act like it. I saw a google video of him giving a speech. News flash Mr. Bloom… you are like 50 years old and own a tech company, time to stop your lame “I am so cool” act. You are not in hollywood, you can take off the cbgb’s t-shirt and the ripped jeans and act your age. IT’S NOT COOL, it is sad.

    I would not bring up number four except for the fact that I think this is one of the issues of podshow, they are delusional. They believe they are SO cool that they can do what they want and know what a 18 year old listener wants. This effects the product and how they treat their customers, and it makes fans like me stop listening (watching).

    Here is what is truly sad… I am using a comment on a blog to tell podshow what is wrong with the system because I don’t feel like anyone is listening at podshow.

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  78. julien Avatar

    man, i have so much to say about this.

    first, a commendable comment from Aaron. it’s typical to sit back and expect things to get better without getting involved. it’s the same with any cause– people buy a product where XX is donated to cause Y for every purchase, instead of donating that XX amount themselves… passive.

    i remember listening to podcasts at a time when Podshow was seen to be the saviour of the industry. many of you seem to be acting like we’re still there… why?

    dictate your own terms; don’t wait on a huge company to come and solve these problems for you. i think skipping the pre-rolls was the best thing Chris could’ve done for the community– it gets the point across more than any bitching. if the pre-rolls truly are the wrong thing to do, Podshow will see it in their bottom line, and make changes then.

    i long ago made my peace with the pre-rolls Podshow puts in front of my show and others. i am very familiar with the consequences, and accept them along with the benefits i reap from them being present… i am also grateful for the audience i have that goes through them every time– for my benefit.

    i assure you guys (not as Podshow apologist, that’s not my job) that, though they aren’t always talking, the guys mentioned above are always listening to what’s going on, and working a hell of a lot more than the majority of us are to affect change within the company. but, like most of us with day jobs, they’re still just two guys working inside a 25 million+ operation. that shit is hard, and it takes time.

    one thing remains true– every second that pre-roll goes on is one second i don’t have the chance to reach them. that sucks, and i hope Podshow comes to understand that i can keep a listener better than a pre-roll does, extending Podshow’s influence rather than shrinking it, which it now looks like these ads are doing.

  79. julien Avatar

    man, i have so much to say about this.

    first, a commendable comment from Aaron. it’s typical to sit back and expect things to get better without getting involved. it’s the same with any cause– people buy a product where XX is donated to cause Y for every purchase, instead of donating that XX amount themselves… passive.

    i remember listening to podcasts at a time when Podshow was seen to be the saviour of the industry. many of you seem to be acting like we’re still there… why?

    dictate your own terms; don’t wait on a huge company to come and solve these problems for you. i think skipping the pre-rolls was the best thing Chris could’ve done for the community– it gets the point across more than any bitching. if the pre-rolls truly are the wrong thing to do, Podshow will see it in their bottom line, and make changes then.

    i long ago made my peace with the pre-rolls Podshow puts in front of my show and others. i am very familiar with the consequences, and accept them along with the benefits i reap from them being present… i am also grateful for the audience i have that goes through them every time– for my benefit.

    i assure you guys (not as Podshow apologist, that’s not my job) that, though they aren’t always talking, the guys mentioned above are always listening to what’s going on, and working a hell of a lot more than the majority of us are to affect change within the company. but, like most of us with day jobs, they’re still just two guys working inside a 25 million+ operation. that shit is hard, and it takes time.

    one thing remains true– every second that pre-roll goes on is one second i don’t have the chance to reach them. that sucks, and i hope Podshow comes to understand that i can keep a listener better than a pre-roll does, extending Podshow’s influence rather than shrinking it, which it now looks like these ads are doing.

  80. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Julien – you’re dead on the money – every second that any kind of pre-roll is running is a second you, the podcaster, are not interacting with the people who have voluntarily chosen to listen to your show. That point can’t be stated enough. A lot of people have spent a great amount of time and care creating a show that sounds as good as they can make it, including their intro. Post-roll is fine, but even more important, I think, is to transmit branding inside of the show itself, by the producer. If your network – whatever network you belong to, Podshow, TPN, Blubrry, etc. is as awesome as we ALL want them to be, you’ll have no trouble promoting the network as well as any sponsors.

    That’s the thing that I think is so important about this discussion. I don’t know about everyone else, but I want Podshow to succeed. I want Podshow’s podcasters to succeed even more, to succeed wildly, because when they do, when each show is growing audience, bringing a little more of the 100 million iPods out there into podcasting, we ALL win. We ALL succeed, because podcasting is practically self-selling. Once you hear one, you realize that you no longer have to live just with Dopey and Dummy in the morning and ClearChannel on the dial at work. Every new listener of any podcast is a potential listener to everyone else’s too – as long as their first exposure to podcasting isn’t a minute-long ad about how the show you’re going to listen to sucks.

  81. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Julien – you’re dead on the money – every second that any kind of pre-roll is running is a second you, the podcaster, are not interacting with the people who have voluntarily chosen to listen to your show. That point can’t be stated enough. A lot of people have spent a great amount of time and care creating a show that sounds as good as they can make it, including their intro. Post-roll is fine, but even more important, I think, is to transmit branding inside of the show itself, by the producer. If your network – whatever network you belong to, Podshow, TPN, Blubrry, etc. is as awesome as we ALL want them to be, you’ll have no trouble promoting the network as well as any sponsors.

    That’s the thing that I think is so important about this discussion. I don’t know about everyone else, but I want Podshow to succeed. I want Podshow’s podcasters to succeed even more, to succeed wildly, because when they do, when each show is growing audience, bringing a little more of the 100 million iPods out there into podcasting, we ALL win. We ALL succeed, because podcasting is practically self-selling. Once you hear one, you realize that you no longer have to live just with Dopey and Dummy in the morning and ClearChannel on the dial at work. Every new listener of any podcast is a potential listener to everyone else’s too – as long as their first exposure to podcasting isn’t a minute-long ad about how the show you’re going to listen to sucks.

  82. Neil Avatar
    Neil

    Totally agree on the Suck Less Promos. I passed an episode of the DSC to a co-worker last week, and his first taste of a “Podshow Property” was the indication that “Podshow Sucks”. He was totally confused, and although he skipped 30-40 seconds in, he was still subjected to discussion of how much what he was about to listen to (or was listening to) “sucked”.

    In the end, he didn’t listen to it. He later described the DSC as “that show that has the 2-3 minute introduction about sucking”….

    I don’t mind the pre-rolls or post-rolls… and I understand why they are there. But in a case like this, why not simply have your talent (show producers) ask their audiences to submit some feedback regarding their podshow experience.

    We live in a world where our demographics are self-selected based on subscription. Our shows (for the most part) have clearly defined subjects/themes/genres. Our listeners have a quite high propensity to be bloggers or podcasters themselves … or in the very least, much more comfortable with stating opinions online than your typical web user. Why rely on a survey?

    Here’s the perfect example…. I’ll turn the knife on myself. I tried the Podshow Suckless Zone. I wasn’t interested in points, or “cool prizes!!” (how lame does that sound), I just figured I had enough experience complaining about the podshowplus UI that I should voice these comments.

    I think I made it halfway through the registration. Didn’t submit. And here I am, posting it all on a blog.

    Thanks Chris – as usual, you are a ninja among men.

  83. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Neil – it’s a sobering realization that when you have a pre-roll ad that talks about how Podshow sucks, by default, you’re also implying the show it’s attached to sucks.

  84. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Neil – it’s a sobering realization that when you have a pre-roll ad that talks about how Podshow sucks, by default, you’re also implying the show it’s attached to sucks.

  85. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Todd Wachtel – aka Jersey Todd – also has a very good perspective on Podshow on his blog. It’s a worthwhile read.

    http://www.jerseytoddshow.com/index.php?post_id=221161

    My one comment is that good or bad, Podshow shouldn’t be the focus of Podshow. The podcaster – you, Jersey Todd – should be their focus, to help you accomplish, to help you achieve whatever goals you want to accomplish with your podcast. If you want to quit your day job, great. If you want to have fun with a creative outlet, great. If you want to unite the other communities you belong to, great. Podcasting can be a part of that, and in my perspective of what a podcast network is, Podshow should be throwing its weight behind you to help you achieve those goals.

    Need to learn how to position a condenser mic? Need to learn how to record a Skype call? Need to learn how to set up Google Adsense? The network that you’ve joined up with should be the first call you make, and not necessarily a Podshow employee, but someone or many someones in the Podshow community, and ideally you could throw out something to that community and have a response that was better, faster, and higher quality than any other podcasting community online.

    But again, that’s just one guy’s perspective, and take it with a grain of salt from someone who co-founded a New Media UnConference movement that has no revenue model 🙂 If you’re a whore, I guess I’m a hippie.

  86. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Todd Wachtel – aka Jersey Todd – also has a very good perspective on Podshow on his blog. It’s a worthwhile read.

    http://www.jerseytoddshow.com/index.php?post_id=221161

    My one comment is that good or bad, Podshow shouldn’t be the focus of Podshow. The podcaster – you, Jersey Todd – should be their focus, to help you accomplish, to help you achieve whatever goals you want to accomplish with your podcast. If you want to quit your day job, great. If you want to have fun with a creative outlet, great. If you want to unite the other communities you belong to, great. Podcasting can be a part of that, and in my perspective of what a podcast network is, Podshow should be throwing its weight behind you to help you achieve those goals.

    Need to learn how to position a condenser mic? Need to learn how to record a Skype call? Need to learn how to set up Google Adsense? The network that you’ve joined up with should be the first call you make, and not necessarily a Podshow employee, but someone or many someones in the Podshow community, and ideally you could throw out something to that community and have a response that was better, faster, and higher quality than any other podcasting community online.

    But again, that’s just one guy’s perspective, and take it with a grain of salt from someone who co-founded a New Media UnConference movement that has no revenue model 🙂 If you’re a whore, I guess I’m a hippie.

  87. Chef Mark Avatar

    (I’m cross posting this comment from Jersey Todd’s blog to keep the conversation going here….)

    Todd, your heartfelt post is quite touching. Rest assured, no one thinks you’re a whore. A slut, yes, but a whore, no, and in the social media world, it’s all about slutting yourself around, no?

    Kidding aside, I agree with you that it’s easy to lay all the criticism about everything within this podcasting space at the feet of the most prominent player…further proof that they’re doing something right by being the 800-pound gorilla in the room.

    The biggest thing I get out of your post is a reminder that the relationships we’ve already built within the network and between ourselves as podcasters is as valuable if not more valuable than the residual effect of promotion we can get from being mentioned on the DSC or such.

    We as podcasters that are part of the podshow family need to generate ideas and share them, implementing them in our own podcasts. This is how so many great things have come about in this community, ie – Bum Rush The Charts.

    So let’s all get out there and generate great content and great ideas, and keep the conversation going, not sitting at the soda fountain waiting for stardom to come aknockin’!

  88. Chef Mark Avatar

    (I’m cross posting this comment from Jersey Todd’s blog to keep the conversation going here….)

    Todd, your heartfelt post is quite touching. Rest assured, no one thinks you’re a whore. A slut, yes, but a whore, no, and in the social media world, it’s all about slutting yourself around, no?

    Kidding aside, I agree with you that it’s easy to lay all the criticism about everything within this podcasting space at the feet of the most prominent player…further proof that they’re doing something right by being the 800-pound gorilla in the room.

    The biggest thing I get out of your post is a reminder that the relationships we’ve already built within the network and between ourselves as podcasters is as valuable if not more valuable than the residual effect of promotion we can get from being mentioned on the DSC or such.

    We as podcasters that are part of the podshow family need to generate ideas and share them, implementing them in our own podcasts. This is how so many great things have come about in this community, ie – Bum Rush The Charts.

    So let’s all get out there and generate great content and great ideas, and keep the conversation going, not sitting at the soda fountain waiting for stardom to come aknockin’!

  89. P.W. Fenton Avatar
    P.W. Fenton

    Troy Rutter said… “On the flip side, I have never received an email back from Ron or Pdubb after writing them, leaving a very bad impression that those “really” at the top only talk to those near the top.”

    I can’t speak for Ron Bloom, but I can tell you that in order for me to answer an e-mail I have to receive one. I don’t delete my e-mail and a search just revealed nothing from you. I’m sorry, but I just didn’t get your e-mail. I’m usually quite good at answering mine, especially if is a question of some sort.

    As for only talking to other people at the top… thanks for the promotion. Is there a raise that goes along with that?

  90. P.W. Fenton Avatar
    P.W. Fenton

    Troy Rutter said… “On the flip side, I have never received an email back from Ron or Pdubb after writing them, leaving a very bad impression that those “really” at the top only talk to those near the top.”

    I can’t speak for Ron Bloom, but I can tell you that in order for me to answer an e-mail I have to receive one. I don’t delete my e-mail and a search just revealed nothing from you. I’m sorry, but I just didn’t get your e-mail. I’m usually quite good at answering mine, especially if is a question of some sort.

    As for only talking to other people at the top… thanks for the promotion. Is there a raise that goes along with that?

  91. Jersey Todd Avatar

    @Troy – I write home about your show all the time…Seriously, its always been a great show and its one of my regular listens…

  92. Jersey Todd Avatar

    @Troy – I write home about your show all the time…Seriously, its always been a great show and its one of my regular listens…

  93. […] his blog, Christopher Penn of the Financial Aid Podcast, a talented and energetic new media enthusiast […]

  94. Troy Rutter Avatar

    Hey JT – thanks, it wasnt a “make Troy feel better post” but thanks.

    PDubb – it was back in my early days of Podcasting, I emailed a couple of time since your voice is so neat, asking your price for a promo. After 2 times I gave up.

    Now as for a raise…

    Seriously though, I apologize if you took offense. You always appear to be very high in the chain so I wrongfully assumed the “worst” … I have been corrected and again I apologize.

    I stand by my post however in that the listener and the podcaster have to be paramount. Getting new advertisers are great, but if they are only shoved down a handful of contract-players feeds, then I’m not sure how good they are actually doing.

    I got a “naked pictures” version of the suck less promo on my feed right now. I emailed Joe about it to see if it can be removed. It was something along the lines of “some people think we at Podshow are just sitting around waiting for naked pictures to come in,” I was stunned when I heard it on my feed. I don’t mind the “best and the brightest limelight” ad, but visions of Podshow people downloading naked photos is not something I want my 20 listeners thinking about when my podcast starts.

    Im a little concerned about everybody feeling the PMN has been abandoned. I would be interested if there is any kind of a demo that details music podcasts vs talk podcasts .. numbers wise. While I agree, the current system is cumbersome (some say broken), does it really concern the masses of PS distributed productions? What percentage does it have to be to become a priority?

    There has always been a lot of negative vibes towards PS , even before the whole “contract airing.” Personally, I think PS with the addition of Castblaster is a GREAT service. You have a tool, AND you have a distribution network. Plus a community willing to help.

    The sad part is the community seems external, and in some cases in spite of the PS infrastructure. How many people in the early days got “messages” from “entourage” only broadcasting their latest episode. That’s not a community.

    I think I’ve lost my way in this post… Anyway, I too find the Suck Less promos not necessary. At least they have reduced the playing time, but the content is still not something I really would have attached to my feed.

  95. Troy Rutter Avatar

    Hey JT – thanks, it wasnt a “make Troy feel better post” but thanks.

    PDubb – it was back in my early days of Podcasting, I emailed a couple of time since your voice is so neat, asking your price for a promo. After 2 times I gave up.

    Now as for a raise…

    Seriously though, I apologize if you took offense. You always appear to be very high in the chain so I wrongfully assumed the “worst” … I have been corrected and again I apologize.

    I stand by my post however in that the listener and the podcaster have to be paramount. Getting new advertisers are great, but if they are only shoved down a handful of contract-players feeds, then I’m not sure how good they are actually doing.

    I got a “naked pictures” version of the suck less promo on my feed right now. I emailed Joe about it to see if it can be removed. It was something along the lines of “some people think we at Podshow are just sitting around waiting for naked pictures to come in,” I was stunned when I heard it on my feed. I don’t mind the “best and the brightest limelight” ad, but visions of Podshow people downloading naked photos is not something I want my 20 listeners thinking about when my podcast starts.

    Im a little concerned about everybody feeling the PMN has been abandoned. I would be interested if there is any kind of a demo that details music podcasts vs talk podcasts .. numbers wise. While I agree, the current system is cumbersome (some say broken), does it really concern the masses of PS distributed productions? What percentage does it have to be to become a priority?

    There has always been a lot of negative vibes towards PS , even before the whole “contract airing.” Personally, I think PS with the addition of Castblaster is a GREAT service. You have a tool, AND you have a distribution network. Plus a community willing to help.

    The sad part is the community seems external, and in some cases in spite of the PS infrastructure. How many people in the early days got “messages” from “entourage” only broadcasting their latest episode. That’s not a community.

    I think I’ve lost my way in this post… Anyway, I too find the Suck Less promos not necessary. At least they have reduced the playing time, but the content is still not something I really would have attached to my feed.

  96. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Umm, guys? If the goal of the new Podshow pre-rolls that are user-generated, in addition to being shorter, is also to have pre-rolls appropriate for the diversity of Podshow shows, this is not an improvement, unless this one only rolls on shows tagged explicit.

    http://urltea.com/oze [mp3 link]

  97. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Umm, guys? If the goal of the new Podshow pre-rolls that are user-generated, in addition to being shorter, is also to have pre-rolls appropriate for the diversity of Podshow shows, this is not an improvement, unless this one only rolls on shows tagged explicit.

    http://urltea.com/oze [mp3 link]

  98. Troy Rutter Avatar

    Chris ~

    That’s the one rolling on mine, non-explicit. As I said… Somebody I can barely understand, talking about naked pictures, burping and sucking less.

    Surprised there’s not a fold and scrunch in there too.

    Very bad taste, IMHO.

  99. Troy Rutter Avatar

    Chris ~

    That’s the one rolling on mine, non-explicit. As I said… Somebody I can barely understand, talking about naked pictures, burping and sucking less.

    Surprised there’s not a fold and scrunch in there too.

    Very bad taste, IMHO.

  100. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Near as I can tell, the intro text is:

    “Now the guys at Podshow could sit around all the days and nights at HQ and shake their nuts waiting for some naked pictures and advertising campaigns. [belch]”

  101. Christopher S. Penn Avatar

    Near as I can tell, the intro text is:

    “Now the guys at Podshow could sit around all the days and nights at HQ and shake their nuts waiting for some naked pictures and advertising campaigns. [belch]”

  102. Tom Newman Avatar

    I’m a big fan of Adam Curry, Podshow, and the PMN because of what they’ve done for podcasting. I don’t think podcasting would be where it is today without them.

    With that said I’m sad to see and hear about what has been happening at Podshow and the PMN. I’ve been promoting the PMN on my podcast for over a year and telling my audience that “soon” they will be able to purchase the music I play on my show and the other songs on the PMN. Except for a few songs that hasn’t really happened. I’ve followed the PMN from the time Adam first mentioned it and felt it was a great way to deliver DRM-free music and promote independent artists. I never thought Apple’s iTunes would beat PMN to the punch on DRM-free music.

    I’m not part of the Podshow network but I am part of Blubbry network (www.blubbry.com). I like what Todd Cochran has done at Blubrry because he is totally open about the network and what they are trying to do. They support their podcasters and provide timely updates about what’s going on with the network. Since I don’t have a show on Podshow I can’t personally say what they do or do not provide the same transparency but from what I hear it doesn’t sound like it.

    I have heard the “suck less” pre-roll and also felt that it made them suck more. There are plenty of smart people at Podshow and it seems they already have a pretty good idea of how to “suck less.” Updating and fixing the PMN would be a good start.

  103. Tom Newman Avatar

    I’m a big fan of Adam Curry, Podshow, and the PMN because of what they’ve done for podcasting. I don’t think podcasting would be where it is today without them.

    With that said I’m sad to see and hear about what has been happening at Podshow and the PMN. I’ve been promoting the PMN on my podcast for over a year and telling my audience that “soon” they will be able to purchase the music I play on my show and the other songs on the PMN. Except for a few songs that hasn’t really happened. I’ve followed the PMN from the time Adam first mentioned it and felt it was a great way to deliver DRM-free music and promote independent artists. I never thought Apple’s iTunes would beat PMN to the punch on DRM-free music.

    I’m not part of the Podshow network but I am part of Blubbry network (www.blubbry.com). I like what Todd Cochran has done at Blubrry because he is totally open about the network and what they are trying to do. They support their podcasters and provide timely updates about what’s going on with the network. Since I don’t have a show on Podshow I can’t personally say what they do or do not provide the same transparency but from what I hear it doesn’t sound like it.

    I have heard the “suck less” pre-roll and also felt that it made them suck more. There are plenty of smart people at Podshow and it seems they already have a pretty good idea of how to “suck less.” Updating and fixing the PMN would be a good start.

  104. x1 Avatar
    x1

    “Also, I would like to monitor my favorite artists to see if they released new music and monitor my favorite genres.”

    Now it would be nice if the artists could contact the producers that have used their music in the past.

  105. x1 Avatar
    x1

    “Also, I would like to monitor my favorite artists to see if they released new music and monitor my favorite genres.”

    Now it would be nice if the artists could contact the producers that have used their music in the past.

  106. Phillip Molly Malone Avatar

    Come on guys, why all the hate towards poor little Adam Curry. You know he doesn’t like it. He’ll tell you on the show that your just trying to rain on his day. I mean how can he be shaddy and try to rip you off if everytime he does we all call him out on it. Come on guys lift your game.

    And Aaron. Perhaps when Podshow start contacting their people about things like losing the Sirus deal, they will start contacting you. From what I hear, the Podshow podcasters want you to sign up Yaknom as at least he keeps them informed of what is going on!
    Molly

  107. Phillip Molly Malone Avatar

    Come on guys, why all the hate towards poor little Adam Curry. You know he doesn’t like it. He’ll tell you on the show that your just trying to rain on his day. I mean how can he be shaddy and try to rip you off if everytime he does we all call him out on it. Come on guys lift your game.

    And Aaron. Perhaps when Podshow start contacting their people about things like losing the Sirus deal, they will start contacting you. From what I hear, the Podshow podcasters want you to sign up Yaknom as at least he keeps them informed of what is going on!
    Molly

  108. […] 5: Podcast Of The Week: Chris Penn, one of the smartest guys in podcasting, has a really great show for anyone who is about to enter college, or is in college, or knows someone in that stage of life. It is called “The Financial Aid Podcast” and I highly recommend it! He also wrote some nice things about the Lifespring! podcast last week on his blog here. […]

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