You Ask, I Answer: Podcast Marketing OGs?

Lauren asks, “Who are the titans of podcast marketing? Who paved the way?”

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In this episode, Lauren asks, Who are the titans of podcast marketing who paved the way? Well, gosh, that’s this is a dusting off the historical archives, who paved the way.

The way was paved initially by Dave Winer.

So Dave Winer was a software developer who worked at Harvard, I believe it was Harvard Berkman Center.

He and Chris lied and created the RSS feed.

And the first sort of audio, downloadable audio subscriptions through RSS feeds that is, effectively was podcasting.

The first podcast that I could remember would be Doug case, podcast it conversations which was eventually became part of the conversations network.

And that was, like 10 years.

The person who arguably made podcasting, at least the first wave of it, really popular and known, was a former MTV Video jockey by the name of Adam curry, who, whose thing these daily source code his show, really was one of the first more mainstream shows.

Daily source code then attracted a whole bunch of like minded folks.

And eventually, they went on to create a company called podshow, and the pod safe Music Network and a bunch of other things.

In New England, which is where I’m based, we had a lot of very, very early shows with the comedy forecast, cc Chatbots.

Accident hash.

We had, of course, everything that Steve Garfield was up to, obviously, with Dave Weiner being based at Harvard, we had a lot of interest around podcasting here in New England, New England really is the birthplace of of modern podcasting.

Um, let’s see who else was, was around in the early days and did a lot of the early stuff, like, yeah, all the podshow stuff, Don, and drew, back in the day was a one of the more popular shows that really got people to take notice, the biggest changes happened.

And you know, again, one of the things that led to podcast things thriving was apple.

So Apple added podcasting support to iTunes in 2005.

Prior to that, you had to download your own software to a pod catcher to load podcasts to your iPod.

And that was kind of a pain in the butt, right? You had like 50,000 people total in the podcasting universe prior to that, because it sucked the interface suck, and had to really, really, really want it.

After Apple did that you now had millions of people who could access podcasts much more easily and get them on to their iPods.

One of the earliest podcasters actually was President George W.

Bush.

The White House back in the day, had his radio of the week the President’s weekly radio addresses turned into an RSS feed and put on available in 2006.

I and a friend of mine, Chris Brogan went to bar camp, which is the developers conference in May of that year.

And then we liked that format so much that we created an event called PodCamp.

Same general, unconference idea where you would just show up and steal or self organize a conference with with a bunch of friends.

We had planned for, like 50 people to show up at Bunker Hill Community College and 300 people showed up, which was really awkward.

But that was where you start to get shows like rocket boom, for example, showing up, which became one of the largest video shows in the early days, and dozens and dozens and dozens of other folks that

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became names in the first wave of podcasting.

So that’s really, who paved the way was the early days proving that this thing was real.

There was an audience for it.

That apple in particular was a big part of it.

The folks at Libsyn the podcast hosting company was, I believe, one of the first if not the first podcast hosting company ever.

And their pricing model really sort of set the tone for the podcasting space.

which was you pay a monthly fee, and then an unlimited number of people can download your show, which was a huge change from, you know, bandwidth based companies where if your show got popular, you would be in a lot of financial trouble very, very quickly.

So Libsyn was one of the first companies that, again, was part of paving the way part of making podcasting viable to to mainstream audiences by allowing people to not have to say, Okay, how much is my hosting bill for my podcasts gonna be? Bear in mind, this is well before AWS well before Google Cloud well before any of these cloud computing companies, so at the time, that was revolutionary, right to say, like, I don’t have to pay for the bandwidth that my podcast uses, just pay for the hosting of it.

And that continues to this day.

It’s one of the reasons why I stick with Libsyn for all the different shows that that I’m a part of.

Then, I want to say at the end of the first wave, the second and the early second wave, you had stuff like Adam Carolla got into a podcasting was a big name for a hot minute.

Ricky Gervais, the comedian, was in there in the second wave.

And in the third wave, the third wave is where you really saw podcast adoption really kick off.

So that was when you had the NPR is really kick things up.

Gosh, was it 2014 2015? Was this American life when they debuted cereal? Right, the first season of cereal that was probably one of the biggest shots in the arm for podcasting in the, in the third wave, right 2015 2014 2015 to 2019 that put podcasting as a form of media that people wanted to consume.

Right It was it was a show prior to that most shows were literally cereals there wasn’t this concept of seasons.

Cereal made this concept of the season of the podcast really popular right and now you see many shows doing that season one season two season three of of this show with that show.

Up until then it will you just cranking out episodes and people tuned in they got on the ride whenever they got on.

And so that really is the sort of the third wave and really where we are today the pandemic dramatically increased I think podcasts, audience listenership and stuff in many ways because for over a year, more than a year.

People didn’t really leave their homes very much right.

And so consuming all sorts of digital media, in every incarnation was was really popular.

And that’s where we are today.

Right? We’re podcasting is now a mature medium, where lots and lots of people tune in we’ll reach millions of people around the world.

There are something like 2 million different podcasts, literally 2 million different shows out there now.

So it’s a very, very different landscape than it used to be.

But that’s who in the early days helped make this thing happen.

So good question fun walk down memory lane.

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