In today’s episode, I’m reacting to my own podcast marketing presentation from 17 years ago! You’ll see what strategies still work today (and which ones don’t). If you want to improve your podcast marketing game and get a few laughs along the way, this video is a must-watch.
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Christopher Penn 0:00
Welcome back to part two of our our podcast marketing react video from the from 2007.
This is an ongoing series, looking at a very old talk that I did from 2007 to PodCamp.
Toronto.
Be sure to check out the previous episode.
So let’s, let’s go right back into it.
Again, that goes back to evangelism and social bookmarking services.
How many people here use delicious? Okay, StumbleUpon.
Okay, good.
StumbleUpon is delicious of the two that we’re going to focus on talking about.
Those, those services used to be huge dig and delicious, way back in the day, they’re gone, they’re gone.
So once you’ve got a visitor, you’ve used various tools to get a visitor to your site, you have to convert them to a listener, there are a number of ways to do that.
The easiest way is to give them as many choices as possible within reason to listen to your show.
You need to have multiple channels and deliveries, if you just have an RSS feed.
If I tell my mom, no digging is my mom, hey, my show has got an RSS feed, she will look at me blankly and offer me another cookie.
That’s just not helpful.
So things like iTunes, things like a flash player built right into your home page.
Let me see if I can tap out of here without breaking the presentation.
Flash Player.
Oh, man, that part though, is still true in that the delivery of your show is important.
And one of the things you should be looking for these days is just getting using a good service a service that will distribute your show to as many places as possible.
The show that I use most of all is one called Libsyn.
This is this is the the the In-Ear Insights podcast, you can see we have all the destinations in here, Apple podcasts, poskitt, Spotify, I heart, radio, radio, public Deezer, Amazon music, and then as pub as destinations become available, you can add them in and you can tune them up.
So Samsung boomplay, etc, etc.
All of these things are things that the service handles automatically.
So I don’t have to sit here and manually submit my show.
In the old days, that was exactly what I had to do.
And we all had through this stuff by hand to each destination.
So make sure that you’re using a good podcast distribution service on the audio side.
And then on the video side, YouTube for sure.
Think about doing 62nd video snippets of your show because you’re doing video right? On Tiktok on Instagram, on YouTube as shorts.
And there again, there are services Opus clips is one that’s very popular, where you give it the full video file and it will produce the 30 or 62nd clips for you automatically, you may need to tweak it.
But it’s one way of creating those extra pieces of content that you can then distribute everywhere.
It wouldn’t be invented for another year after this talk.
But my friend Todd Devran came up with what we call the content atomization strategy.
Take your piece of content, video, for example, carve it up and distribute it in as many places as you possibly can.
The old Twitter tweet it was still relevant.
What you want have multiple calls to action, easy calls to action and things that people are going to recognize.
So for example, we have iTunes, we have when amp this went up is a streaming and media mp3 player for the PC 55 million users of it podcasting support, and it’s terrible, absolutely terrible.
But if you can work your way into doing a one click thing with it, it works really well.
RSS, make sure that people have access to your MySpace page.
Orpheus is one of most popular file sharing programs online.
And back then, just the old days, we had to go somewhere, we had to walk uphill both ways still.
But back then we had to manually hand code our RSS feeds was not fun these days.
Again, using any service WordPress, your WordPress blog, you link it to an mp3 file, it will automatically generate the RSS feed.
So you don’t need to do that.
But it’s good to have that feed available.
It is good to have links to the major social networking sites that if you’ve got active pages on them back in that ancient days of podcasting, MySpace was a a viable channel MySpace was to social media then would Facebook is to social media.
Now, it’s still not the largest number of users, so it’s definitely a place to go.
I have also highly amused the fact that my desktop there, this is 2007 some of those programs still exists keynote BB Edit, which is the software editor, text editor nice just to have to everything and that duck is Cyberduck.
That is an FTP client still exists today.
So even though this is 17 years later, it’s still there’s still some recognizable friends there among the lowest among college kids because colleges and universities cannot block it.
It also has podcasting support built into it, which is very nice.
So make sure you have lots and lots of different ways for people to take out To listen to your show, if I go to the other side of the screen here that did not work.
Library.
Make sure you have lots of different ways for people to listen to a show.
That’s how you convert them to a listener, you make it so easy make it one click.
If it takes more than one click for someone to listen to your show, they’re not going to listen to it make things like FeedBlitz.
If you use Feedburner, there are things with your RSS feed your shows feed can be turned into an email, this is surprisingly popular 30% of my audience gets my show by email
I would guess putting the file inside a PDF, I don’t actually know.
RSS feeds can incorporate PDF documents in them.
So if you link up a PDF as immediate enclosure, it will show up in most podcast players, they will not be able to play it.
So you will see an apple podcasts as a downloadable file.
But like Spotify won’t work.
So your best bet is putting that on your own own website.
It is also funny that back then, I clearly did not know how to use multiple windows in on a computer.
That by the way, is a a Macintosh with this, the PowerBook g4.
So this predates the MacBook, that’s all this is not right yet.
But now
I can put video inside of PDFs, but I don’t know if they’re self contained or if they need to be referenced somewhere up to try want to get home.
Oh, they were asking you to put audio files inside of a PDF.
Why would you do that? That’s why would you do that weird turning listeners into subscribers is your next step.
So once you get somebody to listen to the show, number one thing, of course is going to be content that’s kind of a given.
Make sure you have calls to action inside of your show because these are mp3 files for the most part, which means that people will share them, that’s what you want.
But if there’s no way to, for them to know what what is it listen to or how to get to it.
They’ll listen to them.
And that was really cool.
And not necessarily find you again.
So make sure nobody shares mp3 files.
I’m not sure anyone shared mp3 files back then.
But nobody does that today, what people do share links, they share links to a Spotify list, they share links to an Apple Music list.
So make sure that you are on those services.
And it is it is a good idea in the show a call to action that is still a good idea.
You shouldn’t be telling people within your show.
Please share this episode with your with your friends, please share it on your social media profiles, please email this show to people.
And again, this is where having that audible domain name is comes in handy can say hey, tell your friends to go to trust insights.ai/ti podcast or tell your friends to go to Marketing over coffee.com Or you say in your show somewhere.
Hey, you’ve been listening to the financial aid podcast get more at financially podcast.com.
And they’ll know what to do after that.
Again, making things one click as easy as possible.
How many people here use the podcast will iTunes? Okay, good? How many people have a one click Subscribe on your button on a website.
If you have a podcast? Where does it go? Somewhere? Tell me where that clip goes, what happens?
Just pops open? Well, first of all, it loads up iTunes, if you don’t have iTunes already installed, and it prompts you to download it.
Then it goes to the iTunes directory and right to your page where the listener can actually preview all the episodes.
And also subscribe, okay,
you just described was a an HTTP link to the well the URL is Phobos dot something on Apple, that’s sometimes good.
Sometimes good because that uses Apple’s directory which has been known to lose podcast to be significantly delayed.
There’s another way of doing it.
It’s called ITPC of like HTTP but ITPC instead, AI TPCC and then the URL to your feed that will pop it directly into iTunes, make it open up that way I just had.
That’s payment that has changed substantially since those days.
The way it works today, if you want to share an episode, just go to your apple podcast player or Spotify or whatever.
And just click on the little three button thing there and to say, share this episode.
And you will you’ll have the ability to drop it to just send the link to texted somebody way less trouble than it used to be.
This is this is the early days when Yeah, this stuff was not very smooth or very, very well thought out by the tech companies.
I had my key cast and just trying to figure out what the differences the podcast was an older version of the ITBS handle either one works, either one was fine.
Now one thing you can do to make it even easier is if you send somebody an ITP CityLink an email.
It just shows up as text If you send people an HTTP link in your, in their email, when you’re marketing a show, when it’s in your email signature, that all hyperlinks you’ve probably seen this in Gmail, and outlook and things that creates a link for you automatically just out of text.
The way you do this is what’s called a 301 redirect.
I should probably put it I’ll put a link up on the wiki rather than actually delve into the syntax of how to do that here.
Because well, we haven’t got a lot of time.
Again, remember, when you’re converting people, from listeners to subscribers, it all needs to be a channel needs to be word of mouth, things that people can remember.
Yeah, I mean, having 301 redirects is a good idea still.
So for example, if you go to ChristopherSPenn.com, slash newsletter, it will route you to the right place, I would strongly suggest that people do that, especially with their social media channels.
So if you have a podcast like marketing over coffee.com, having marketing over coffee.com/youtube, or slash, Facebook, slash whatever, and then having those things, redirect the user to the appropriate place is a good idea for a couple of reasons.
One, you can get better statistics by having those those links be trackable.
If you’re using a software like rankmath, for example, on your WordPress blog, it will keep track of the stats for you can use it with a link shortener if you’ve got your own link shortener.
And critically, if you need to redirect that traffic again, later, it is under your control.
You don’t have a gazillion links all over the web that you need to go change, you can go and change.
You know, let’s say you open up a threads account today, you want to take marketing over coffee.com/twitter.
And you just want to silently repoint, that to threads, having that redirect on your control, much easier to do that than going to all the places where people linked up the, you know, your twitter.com/marketing over coffee address and trying to get those change.
So redirects in general, are something that should be always under your control, and you should be using them to make it easier to future proof your show easily.
remembering things easily when you turn a subscriber into an evangelist.
If your shows URL, your shows name is not easy for people to remember and spit back out to others.
It’s they won’t refer it as easily they’ll say yeah, go to listening dash to dash my dash show.com.
No one’s going to remember that.
But listen to the M Show.
Listen to NuCalm wrote all these things, make it easy.
Make your sharing your website super easy.
Give tools that have things like little Chiclets, say, hey, share my show, give them the HTML to copy and paste.
And we’ll textbox a good example of this.
And see if we can make this work here.
There’s a website here called bum rush the charts.
Take it to the to the screen.
Now we got to worry about that later.
They’re on there as a little text.
Yeah, pretty obviously, these days, any of the visuals like that stuff clicking out, they just go into separate slides for a ease of presentation.
That’s much better off as a set of slides.
But you know, podcasts were very informal.
They were they were very much for people to share knowledge without doing it in a polished professional way.
And that you you obviously can’t if you want to.
But they were really meant for for people who want to share something, but would not be invited to speak at a different conference.
And so that was really the impetus.
But definitely watching this and watching me, you know, click around things does make me cringe a little bit like Yeah, that should have just been a slide.
But when people can really highlight some HTML, copy and paste onto the MySpace page or whatever, make it so easy for them.
Give people a reason to promote your stuff.
A great example is podsafe bands, I have a show about financial aid, which, among other things sounds like the most boring thing in the world.
And most of the time it is.
But I do play a lot of podsafe music from different bands.
And by promoting bands by promoting their work to your audience.
In return more times than not, they will promote your work back, they will link back to you, which is a good source of inbound links.
So if you’re doing a show, Daily Show or weekly show, you can have all these other people linking to you make sure you leave comments on their MySpace page on the band’s MySpace page so their fans can find your show.
I do this a lot with almost
too much effort.
Make your show self contained.
The quid pro quo probably shouldn’t have named it that but it’s it’s an accurate reflection of reality.
These days we call them collabs.
Right? When you see audiences promote, you know, you see shows cross promoting other shows their collabs and that advice is still valid.
YouTubers do that a ton.
Instagram folks do that ton podcasters not as much, which has always been a bit of a mystery as to why podcast just did not do that when everyone else does that too.
So I’m not sure why.
But yeah, I mean, that’s still a perfectly valid tactic and one that I would encourage you to do with your show, find ways to loop in other people who will help you promote your show, do guest interviews.
You know, one of the hallmarks of marketing over coffee is by half the shows are with guests.
The guests are usually promoting the latest book or they’re there or whatever.
Well guess what they’re gonna do? Yeah, if you if this episode is about them and their book, of course, they’re going to reshare it with their, their community.
So you want to leverage those relationships as much as possible to get your show in front of as many people as you can.
And when they’re on tour, they book their new talk, their new company, whatever, and they’re trying to promote like crazy, that is the best time to get them.
One of the things that has always been a skillet a superpower of my partner, John Wall, on on marketing over coffee is his ability to just land on top tier authors.
You know, people like Seth Godin, and David Meerman, Scott and and many, many others, because he has relationships with publishers because he got in early with a lot of these folks before they were mega names and now when they’re on tour, you can get people to pretty much show up for anything and especially when the rest of the time they wouldn’t give you the time of day, but when they’re promoting the book, they will show up.
All right, that’s gonna wrap it up for part two.
Let’s let’s take a break here for today.
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