In today’s episode, I react to my super old podcast marketing presentation. You’ll see how crazy things were back in the MySpace era and discover the timeless techniques that are even more effective today. Whether you’re a newbie or a seasoned pro, there’s something for you in this video.
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Christopher Penn 0:00
Welcome back.
This is part three of my podcast marketing talk from PodCamp.
Toronto 2007 are looking back at this talk 17 years later to see what’s changed what’s the same, why my hair is the color it is now.
But let’s go ahead and dig right back in where we left off.
If any of you ever used iTunes, and played a, an mp3 in there, there’s things called ID three tags.
We’ll try this again, Id three tags are what is in this little info box here.
Right, so you have name field and stuff like that.
And you can specify all these things I pull up, let’s see if we have
this is where if someone’s going to share this mp3 file, just as it is, this all is data goes with it.
So it makes sure that you have your email address, your dial in number, your instant messenger address, all this goes in the ID three tags, tag and make sure that if you’ve got a tagline for your show, it goes in there.
Yes, another benefit a lot of podcast tags is if you do them properly, you get picked up and things like Last fm and the Google Talk music plug in.
If you don’t put these in, those things don’t pick you up.
So all those things are things that automatically create profiles and branding and extra tracking things.
You can go to those things, enter a URL, and it’s one more place that people can find you in some of these other services.
So the upshot is, there’s there’s lots of good reasons to do this.
And more than you might be aware of,
are you editing your ID three.
So Id three tags, they do still exist, they are still part of mp3 files.
But again, most of the time, your services should just do this automatically.
So if we pop back over here to Libsyn, this is an episode recent episode of In-Ear Insights.
I specify the episode title, I put the description and stuff like that make those nice clickable links.
And then down at the bottom now I just say Update ID three tags when I published the show, and it does it for me.
So you don’t have to manually do this anymore.
You haven’t had to manually do it three tags in a really long time.
That said, a lot of people back then were not doing them.
And you heard Jamuna talking there that very much is the case where yeah, if you don’t do those things, you you do miss out on that extra metadata.
But these days, just let the software do it for you.
Before you upload, yes, I am.
Yes, I am.
If you have a show logo, this is a great place to put it like it shows up as the album mark when you’re playing on an iPod.
So it’s good chance for you to establish some more branding.
You might say, I’m a podcaster.
If I’m not a music podcast, you’re like, Jay, what in the world will you do with the lyrics tab.
That’s a great place to put all your show notes.
So that somebody who takes this file and looks into it, they have all this stuff.
It’s it’s a self contained show, it is easy for them to find stuff to read about what’s going on.
This also because it’s metadata gets indexed and things so make sure it is just as high quality as the stuff you post on your blog.
So let’s talk about some tools.
Let’s talk about five tools that I like to use.
Number one is a friend added from MySpace, I am a huge proponent of marketing on MySpace because well there’s 150 million people on there, somebody’s gonna listen to my show.
trick is finding them.
You can’t just add people randomly and you can but you’ll get very, very low returns.
So if we go into
into my space here
the funny thing about friend adder is brand adder was a piece of software that basically just mass added people as friends to your MySpace profile.
And these days that’s kind of frowned upon these days.
That’s that’s something that people would prefer that you not do.
Fix this looks really awful.
skipass little green circle in the upper left of your browser.
Thank you.
Do you think I know that being technology person looking, make sure your MySpace profile is robust, that’s got your show.
And it has got your same calls to action that are on your blog and your web page.
If you have such things, make sure you have a flash player, this one’s by feed player.com They will give it to you for free and allows people to have mp3 right on the page.
If you have videos on YouTube, this is a great place to put them.
When it comes to looking for friends though on MySpace that gets a little bit trickier.
So this piece of software I really like her friend had her.com and what it does is it lets you do demographic searches on MySpace for you know what kinds of people you’re interested in.
If there’s a band that you like you want and you want to recruit their friends, you can go after them that way.
If there’s a person on MySpace who is say maybe a competitor if you’re in doing business podcast recruit all their friends and add them as friends to you.
Needless to say, these types of software do not work anymore.
In fact, most social networks are really good at detecting them, and then permanently banning your account.
There are a bunch of companies that do offer packages like this, particularly on LinkedIn, there’s one called length script, LinkedIn scraper links helper or something along those lines, I can tell you with absolute certainty, they will get you banned.
I set up a burner profile probably about six months ago and deployed one of them just because I wanted to see if anything had changed.
And it ran for about an hour, it managed to send out about 250 connection requests.
And then 30 minutes later, that whole account was permanently banned.
So in general, this process and this habit of going out and and using automation on social media profiles, not really effective, in some cases, in most cases, a violation of the terms of service, in some cases, possibly illegal depending on on where you live, and stuff.
So this is good for a laugh now.
It was allowed back then.
But no, not anymore.
This is a very handy way of automating the process, you can request up to 400 people a day on MySpace to be added as friends.
I do not advocate sending messages like sending messages or leaving comments without someone being a friend first.
Because to me, that’s kind of going over the line into spam friend requests this kind of gray list in my book.
Yes, sir.
Also, this whole deck is on the wiki for this.
Yeah, it’s it’s on the wiki.
So again, if you feel like it’s going by too fast, it probably is.
That’s I apologize, but it is on the wiki.
Okay, so how do you find people to add on to my space? This is a very good question, because you want to find people who are going to be interactive with your show.
Previously, I used to do just sort of general demographic search, like I’m looking for men and women between the ages of 18 and 21, in the United States college age, but most of them were not interested in what I had to say.
I ended up with a lot of bands, 29,000 friends, but very few of them were valuable.
So there’s two services Technorati, which you may or may not use as a blog search tool, and Google blog search.
So let’s go.
If you’re doing a podcast and you have a topic matter, you need to think about what terms what words that you use in your vertical that nobody else uses in polite conversation, like, for example, in financial aid, for those of you who are Canadian, American Financial Aid is for is required, because our government does not subsidize higher education to any great degree, which is unfortunate.
So let’s look for the word FAFSA, the Free Application for Federal Student Aid in America.
This is not a term that you would use casually, this is not a term that you were hanging out with your friends drinking Saturday night.
You don’t use this word you only use this for in relation to financial aid, which means it is ideal for in my market.
Tech, nobody will give you people who are blogging using that term.
You can see that and here’s one look on MySpace blog.
MySpace URL.
Neither Technorati nor Google blog search exist anymore.
So again, this is kind of a fun historical artifact.
However, using intelligent show titles, using intelligent descriptions using intelligent jargon within your content, that’s still works.
In fact, that works better today than it ever has, because of the artificial intelligence, generative AI in particular, when you invokes very specific terms that are jargon in your field, those tools will have a much better understanding what context you’re talking about.
And as a result will yield better results.
If you’re writing content about financial aid, and you want a reference the FAFSA, yeah, it’ll perform much better.
So you, even though conceptually, we don’t do this stuff anymore, because these these blog directories don’t exist anymore.
You absolutely should still be doing this with tools like Yoast, or rankmath.
Within your, your blog, work, because Google syntax is similar across all the sites.
However, there’s one flaw with Google blog search that the main engine doesn’t have.
They don’t give you the URL on the page.
Right? Right.
We’re not what the ones are friend IDs.
If you want to be really, really evil about it, take the entire page and find all the text that has the thread ID.
You can skip this process, obviously.
And it gives you a list of all different ideas, play the whole list in to your friend data, and you’re all set.
In the process of using search results to scrape identities out of search listings and feed them into automation tool, very, very not allowed anymore.
There are any number of consumer privacy laws now that again back then did not exist now very much exist.
Don’t do this.
Just upsa Don’t sell it, but we actually will keep giving it away.
So.
So that is Oh, yeah, I know how to use this.
So that’s Technorati and Google blog search.
It’s a great way to pull down the people on MySpace who are interested in you.
Now that with Facebook, Facebook is a different game entirely Facebook, see MySpace is nice because MySpace is indexed by Google like crazy.
So you can leave comments on people’s pages as a tool for that, by the way, and if you were talking relisting to Julian’s inbound links talk, leaving comments on MySpace pages was great way to build lots and lots of inbound links are very quickly with the queue.
It’s so funny because we talked about commenting strategy these days on social media, particularly on LinkedIn, but also on Instagram.
Not for building inbound links, because most if not all, social networks no longer count as as valuable links for search engine optimization purposes.
But for building thought leadership for building your network on social media, that strategy of just going around and commenting on things still works today.
Arguably, if you’re as long as you’re doing it as a human, it works better.
I did a piece not too long ago with Ashley fosse and Hannah Sabo about their commenting strategy on LinkedIn and building relationships with people just do commenting, and it works really, really, really well as long as you do.
And you’re not using one of those AI bots, that leaves exactly the same stuff commented.
Anyway, that’s topic for another time.
But yeah, leaving comments as a way to catch people’s attention.
Highly effective still, years later, whatever your choice.
Facebook is different, because everything is behind the login screen, so Google can’t see it.
What it is good for is finding people who are already your friends, if you use a service, like LinkedIn, you can export all your contacts out, but just the email addresses, go to Facebook, they import my contacts, and now suddenly, anyone who on LinkedIn is your friend, now they can become friends on Facebook, they can then help from LinkedIn stopped doing that.
A few years after this, I believe they closed that door, I want to say in the early 2010s.
Now when you export your LinkedIn profile, you will only get a very, very few email addresses you people can still choose to have their LinkedIn email address exported in their contacts, but you have to opt into that rather than opt out of it.
And so if you export your LinkedIn contacts today, you’ll get like five email addresses out of like 1000 people.
It’s not worth doing proselytizing, evangelize things like events, I think it’s just the number one way to promote on Facebook.
If you’re talking about basic website search engine optimization program I really like it’s called Web CEO.
And what web CEO does is you pointed at a PC only, by the way, so if you’re on a Mac, you have to you have to run something virtually, you pointed at any web page, it’s free for up to three websites.
And it’ll tell you what you need to do to make your site rank better in major search engines, Google, Yahoo, MSN, this is Julian’s page for in over your head dotnet.
You can see he doesn’t have a title tag and in the header of the page with those terms in over your head of the hip hop podcast, it’s not as close to the title as it should be.
description tag is missing.
That gives you a recipe a whole laundry list of how to improve your website how to make it rank better.
This is good.
This is basic stuff that doesn’t take a whole lot of work.
And the rewards pay off because chances are if you are in a competitive space, just by doing these things alone, you will increase your convert you will increase your competitive edge
by about 90%.
So I think web SEO still exists.
It is definitely not the premier program for SEO anymore these days.
It’s sort of a triumvirate, right, so the SEMrush is H refs and SpyFu.
And well, I guess quad and mas are sort of the four big SEO tools that most people are familiar with the concept is exactly the same, which is here’s your content.
Here’s your website.
Let’s tune it as best as we can to attract attention.
But those specifics on that specific software package.
I haven’t I can’t think I’d have to go Google and see if it still exists or not.
Google Analytics if you don’t use that already, I won’t done with it because it’s a pain in the butt to get running.
But it is just website statistics on crack you can what a surprise in 2024 It’s still a pain in the butt to get set up even more so now than it ever used to be.
It’s been four years since Universal Analytics was retired which didn’t even exist back then.
Back then it was 2007 would still would have basically been urgent analytics just with the Google Analytics skin on it.
The other tool bunch of their Crazy Egg is user interface testing software to do things like heat maps and things today.
The best tool for that is Microsoft clarity.
It is free.
You install any website and you can do things like heat maps and click tracking and understand the user experience on your website.
Drill down that is the end of part three of our podcast marketing talk.
We’re gonna pick up with the last and final part tomorrow.
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