In today’s episode, I revisit my very first podcast marketing talk from 2007! You’ll learn what’s changed and what strategies stand the test of time. Plus, you’ll get insider tips on improving your presentation skills. Ready to cringe and learn along with me?
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Christopher Penn 0:00
Welcome back.
This is part four, the fourth and final part in our series of the podcast marketing talk that I gave way back in 2007 PodCamp.
Toronto.
So let’s go ahead and finish up this talk and then some, some thoughts about it.
Drill down to any level and see what’s going on.
The last thing I want to talk about, remember, we were talking at Connections show the financially podcast webpage here.
We were talking about calls to action, these things here, right.
Now, how do you know what’s what’s most effective? What should you be promoting, there’s a service that I found that I thought was really nice, cold, crazy IQ, which is a stupid name for really good service.
What it does is it will make your heat map to show where on your site people are pointing.
So what catches their popular whenever much more popular RSS feeds.
Worthless waste of time.
This is from before start promoting it to MySpace popular.
One thing it’s not in here, because this is a snapshot from a while ago, is if you have an mp3 link right inside your blog post that’s very, very hot, because people say Oh, this is post click on it.
And this is when I flashplayer is on my site, people click on that all the time, popular blog posts,
like at the top here randomly.
The nice thing is the entire header is linked back to the homepage.
So they always get back to the homepage, about your stuff.
So make sure this is a great way to see what’s effective on your website.
And what is not is certainly installing like a snippet of code.
Like Google Analytics, exactly like if you use WordPress or any other blogging software, you can put it in the footer file, and it’ll it’ll run automatically what’s called, that’s called CrazyEgg.
Like pull that slide back up here is a paid service if you want lots and lots of things, but if you’re just going to do a quick hit, they will let you do a 14 day free trial.
So make your website optimized as much as possible, then let it run until your trial runs out.
Then if you’re really easily signed with a different email address.
You don’t have to do that anymore.
Nowadays, if you use Microsoft clarity, it is totally free.
Just pull it up real quick here.
So clarity, you go in, you sign up for your free account, you install, you get your copy, paste your tracking code.
And then within Clara don’t think I have any projects set up on this particular account.
You get heat maps, you get us a statistics, you get a top level statistics about who you know this page has this made people bouncing off of it.
It’s a and you get recordings to get anonymize recordings, so you can watch the person’s cursor on screen moving around, you know, struggling to use your website.
So it is definitely the preferred tool these days.
Again, because it’s it’s totally free.
Don’t do that hold them pretending you’re a deaf person, you just install it.
Why is it free? Well, because Microsoft realized that Google Analytics gets an enormous amount of data for free from almost every website out there because their software is free.
And they use that with Google ads.
Microsoft wanted to have something that would give them equivalent types of data.
So they built clarity, and they’re giving that away for free to focus as a way to get that data for presumably the Bing advertising system.
Well.
Takeaway evangelists count the most, no matter what you’re doing.
In terms of your efforts, podcasting, having people who are working for you, to promote your stuff is key because it reduces your workload and keeps your sanity intact.
I actually disagree with that.
Now, evangelist is still important.
For sure evangelists are still important but if you don’t have the loyal base to begin with, focusing in on evangelist while not keeping your happy people happy is kind of putting the cart before the horse.
If you can make people deliriously happy with your products and services, you can make people deliriously happy with your show.
They will share it by nature they will they will do that for you.
So it’s important to keep an eye on evangelist but really focus on making the very best content you possibly can and making your audience deliriously happy.
And then evangelists kind of takes care of itself.
Most of the tools that except for the friend adder are free or Leo free trials that you committed to making sure easy to promote as many different ways as possible.
And give it a try.
He was the reason advertising.
Any questions.
Okay, so that was me from 2007 I think it was to that so let’s 2007 Or just right after that.
Many things with podcast marketing has stayed the same, right? You still got to have good content.
You still Gotta have intelligent calls to action, you still got to have an easy to remember, product, right? Your podcast is your product, if you are selling entertainment, you’re selling education, you are selling content to people, and they are paying with their attention.
That’s why we call it paying attention because you are selling something and people have to pay for it with their time, their energy and their efforts.
So if your show is not resonating as much as you would like, if your show is not growing as fast as you would like, one of the things to ask yourself is, am I am I doing enough to get people to pay me in their attention for what it is that I’m selling.
A lot of companies companies especially are really bad at podcast, and because they’re so focused on selling something that like a product or service or something’s revenue generating.
And they’re missing the point that before you can sell something for currency, you have to sell something for attention.
And if people don’t pay attention, they will not pay currency.
If, if people do not pay attention, they will not pay with money.
And that’s a lesson that a lot of corporate podcasts have learned the hard way, as evidenced by the fact that you go into Apple podcasts.
There are so many companies and so many company podcasts that have like eight episodes.
And that’s it.
And they you know, they pod faded, they stopped after eight episodes years ago.
And you’re like, Well, this is the podcast graveyard, because they did not have that content that people actually wanted.
It doesn’t take a year and a day to get someone to pay attention to your show if your show is something people actually want.
It does take time to ramp up.
What has changed the most since 2007.
For podcast marketing, really just the tools, what tools you use and what practices are no longer allowed doing things like automating social media accounts, that’s no longer allowed in a variety of ways, using things like Google Analytics to measure your show website.
still relevant, still valid using any kind of, of analytics would be good.
podcast analytics itself has not changed much for the average podcast now for shows that have budget to spend there, obviously are incredible measurement programs that are statistically valid, that are that are rich, user surveys, listener surveys, care of market stuff, there’s research firms, like sounds profitable, that do exactly that.
There are companies like Edison Research that do exactly that.
And they are reassuringly expensive.
For the small to midsize show where you don’t have a lot of budget, you’re still looking at things like downloads.
That’s one of the reasons why your community is so important, because your community will give you that data, particularly if you have an accompanying email newsletter, which every show should have after a show goes out there should be an email of some kind that tells people to shows up, out so you can get that listenership.
And then you can run diagnostics, you can run demographic data on that email list.
There are services like Clearbit, or Hubspot, that can take an email list and augment it and tell you demographics and firma graphics and things about your audience.
So one of the things you want to do is try to capture that information from the audience get ask them to help you out with it.
Other things like running listener surveys, you can do that without spending a dime, you can set up a Google form or a form on your website and ask people questions like, How did you hear about our show? was the reason you keep listening to it? what three things would you improve about our show? If you had a magic wand? All those your standard CX questions you should be asking of your listeners on a regular basis.
One of the things that I do in my almost timely newsletter is I have a survey and that survey runs every app every issue and there’s it’s just a one click Do you like it? Thumbs up? Thumbs down? Did you like this issue or not? That is that feedback is vital to making your podcast successful.
And finally, no substitute for the for the truth, your shows got to be worth listening to.
It’s got to sound good enough that people it doesn’t hurt people’s ears.
It doesn’t have to you don’t need a million dollars of gear to do it just has to not be offensive.
And then you’ve got to have content that people want that people desperately want that people would pay for.
One of the simplest and best questions that you can ask an audience is to let them know you’re probably not going to do anytime soon.
But if you were to pay for my show, how much would you pay for it? You know, 1 a month a10 a month? 100 Ozma? Nothing.
If the vast majority of your audience says nothing.
Your show is not that good.
There’s there’s no no sugarcoating.
It shows us not as good if no one it’d be willing to pay for it.
If someone was be paying, willing to pay even $1.
For listening to your show, then you know that you’re you’re sharing value.
Finally, let’s talk about the presentation.
So a couple of things have really changed since since way back then.
I do still talk reasonably fast.
But my friend and informal in frequent speaking coach Tamsin Webster, who’s listened to my talks has said, I just go full, I used to just go full blast all the time.
Now, I try to vary the cadence to give people time to keep up to take a pause, and people’s brains catch up.
And that’s really important.
It’s okay, if you speak fast, as long as you don’t speak fast continuously.
It’s okay to speak fast.
As long as you don’t speak fast continuously, who give people a chance to take a break mentally, in your speech cadence, that helps.
Another thing that I don’t do nearly as much there’s, I used to pace a lot on stage I found that did two things.
One, It distracted me.
And two, it distracted the audience.
So now what I do most of the time, and you can see this in a lot of my videos is I pick my spot and I stay there, that has the side benefit of making it very easy to fill myself, I can set up a camera in the back of the room and I know where on stage I’m going to be I will give myself maybe like two feet to which to be in so I can turn and face different parts of the audience.
But I will typically just route myself on one spot, then I can reference things on stage and know where they are.
And then later on, when I’m processing the video, it’s easier.
So you will see in some of the talks I give now, I will route myself in one spot.
And I will lean toward I will refer to even though there’s projections and screens on both sides who I will refer to one side specifically.
And what I’m doing is I know I have the camera position so that I am stage usually stage left in the camera.
And there’s a big open space on my right hand side the the audience left.
And that’s where I’ll put an overlay of the slides, I will add and post production later because the slides never come look come out looking good in a video.
So I’ll shoot the video just myself.
And I will know that if I am going to stand in one spot and look to the right, when I added it in the video later on, it’s going to look much better.
So that’s why I don’t pace anymore.
Because I was pacing.
I couldn’t do that.
I kind of move the video all the time.
Where’s the slides gonna go with this? This this time it doesn’t work.
I also changed presentation structure quite a bit.
There are any number of formats you can use.
There’s still the show that that format from Michael Port, there is fine, the red thread from Tamsin Webster.
And then what I use most is the Trust Insights framework, the five p framework purpose people process platform and performance.
Why are we talking about this thing? What is this thing? People process platform? And how do we know it’s working performance? That for a talk structure seems to work pretty well.
For me, it’s sort of why, what how,
as opposed to just having just a lot of information that doesn’t have a coherent narrative.
So this whole talk was podcast marketing.
And it gave a lot of a tactic things for people to try.
But it doesn’t have a framework that says, here’s the end goal, the end goal is to get more listeners to your podcast, from that end goal.
Why do we want that because you want more business, you want a personal brand, whatever.
And then you can dig into the peaceable process platform, but you’ve got to have that structure.
One of the things that you can do and you should do with any talk that you’re going to give or plan to give is find a framework that makes sense to you write it out, you know, write a couple of paragraphs of what the framework is why, what how, six W’s for red thread, you name it, feed it to the generative AI system of your choice, Gemini ChatGPT, whatever and say, Here’s my talk, outline or slides or whatever.
Here’s the framework that I want to use, how well does my talk align with this framework? And how would you reorder it to make it more coherent to find that, that flow and pattern and logic and rhythm within the talk? Again, that’s something that not a lot of folks do.
And it’s a way to very easily make any presentation, whether it’s inside a company, whether it’s in a PodCamp, whether it’s, you know, at a TED talk, it can make it so much better.
There’s other frameworks, you know, this talk like Ted and all those other sort of TED Talk frameworks.
Again, you can take those outlines or those concepts, write a prompt in generative AI and then have AI rearrange your talk to make it more coherence to make it flow better to make it easy for people to understand.
And critically, to tell you what to leave out.
Say like, Yeah, this isn’t relevant.
If this is your purpose.
Then this slides gotta go.
So I’ve changed a lot in the 17 years since This, this old talk of me.
And hope.
And podcast marketing has changed a lot.
And yet it hasn’t, right? The Timeless Principles of having content people want, make it easy to share, making it easy to find.
That hasn’t changed.
And I think that’s the final most important lesson here is the basics don’t change, right? The basics of marketing, don’t change the technologies do the how we do it, the execution that changes all the time, but the strategy doesn’t really change.
And so if you find that you’re not getting good results, with your strategy, make sure your strategy is sound that look at the tactics, what are you doing, and then look at how you’re doing those things.
And somewhere along the way, you’re going to find the disconnect about the things that are working the things that are not.
I hope that you’ve enjoyed this this reaction video series.
It has been a lot of fun to go through, and it’s been a blast in the past.
So thanks for tuning in.
We’ll talk to you next time.
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