Author: Christopher S Penn

Jessica asks, “When it comes to marketing data science, I’ve got very good business knowledge, but lack of the technical side. any advice?”

The first question you have to ask is whether you need the hands-on skills or just knowledge of what’s possible. The second question is what skills you already have. Remember that in marketing data science, technical skills go hand in hand with mathematical and statistical skills. One without the other is a disaster waiting to happen.

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In today’s episode, Jessica asks, When it comes to marketing, data science, I’ve got very good business knowledge, but lack of the technical side any advice? So, there’s a couple of questions to unpack here.

Remember that data science data science is all about the intersection of four skills, business skills, technical skills, mathematical skills, and scientific skills.

And to be a data scientist, you have to have aptitudes in all of them.

You don’t have to be expert, but you’ve got to be competent in all those areas.

So that you know what you’re doing, why you’re doing it, how you’re going to do it, and what to do with what’s what tech tools and techniques you will need.

The technical side is the part that people spend an awful lot of time on.

Do I need to do you know, be doing R or Python trouble using SQL servers? Should I be using an NO SEQUEL environments, what should the what are the tools and for data science in particular, I would actually say that the mathematical and statistical side is more important to start with, because the tools are how you do something, the math is what to do and why you would choose a specific technique.

Even something as really simple as the difference between average and median is important because they have different uses use cases, you would use an average for example, on a normal distribution, you would use a median on a non normal distribution like a power law curve.

And so knowing the techniques will then guide you as to which technical skill you need, what functions you know and which language to use.

If you go about it the wrong way.

Well, it’s not wrong.

If you go about the technical first mathematical Second, you will find yourself at getting caught up in shiny object syndrome and be choosing techniques that may not be appropriate for the problem you’re trying to solve.

So when it comes to Jessica’s question in particular, the first question is, do you need the hands on technical skills you may not, depending on your company, depending on the environment you’re working in, if you have data scientists and such on staff already, you may be able to get help with the technical and mathematical and you need to be versed in what’s possible what the right choices are understanding the theoretical frameworks, you may not necessarily need to get your hands out to start writing code.

If you have people who can help do that.

We have an agency that will help you do that.

But you need to know what to ask for.

It’s like it’s the difference between going to a restaurant and knowing what you want off the menu and in what order they go.

versus going into the kitchen and cooking it yourself.

Right You can have somebody else cook it for But you still need to tell them what you want and whether it’s available and a good choice.

And somebody says, You know what you want it for your appetizer, you’re like Boston Cream Pie.

These situations where that’s not necessarily appropriate.

And the same is true in data science.

So that’s the first question, do you need the technical skills? Or do you just need the know how, what’s possible so that you can orchestrate the project as more of a project manager? And then the second question, really, is that assessment of what skills do you have? Do you have the mathematical and statistical background? If you don’t, again, I firmly believe that you’ll be a better data scientist in the long run.

If you are versed in the statistical first, and then in the technical second.

Take a course there’s a good jillion and a half courses out there and you know, in the recording this in the middle of 2020 A whole bunch of them are free right now, and will probably be free for a little while longer.

So go and take courses that will help you get the knowledge that you want.

Right on the statistical side, then go take some technology courses again, many, many many for free out there, the big fork in the road that you’re gonna run into is going to be on the technical side, there’s really two major languages R and Python.

Python you see used a bit more on the machine learning side are you see a bit more used on the statistical and data science side, but both are very capable.

Both are great at covering 96 97% of use cases out there.

And there are packages in each language that allow you to interoperate in other in the other language.

AR has a package called particularly which allows us Python code inside of our notebook environments like the Jupiter notebook and environment allow you to run multiple languages simultaneously as long as you know them.

And you can manipulate data in them.

And so there’s a lot that can you can do in those environments to interoperate.

So pick whichever one works better with your brain, because they are very different languages from a syntax perspective.

And start with that, I personally lean towards our I’m a little older, I got a little gray here, hair here.

And I grew up in languages like C and Java, which are more restrictive languages, so are feels more natural to me.

There are no shortage of people, including my kids, for whom Python is a lot more natural.

It’s it’s easier for them and I can hack around in Python, but it still is not as intuitive to me as our either way.

The languages themselves are secondary to learn how to think as a programmer.

One of the reasons horses that I think is actually a really powerful and useful resource is a of a fun game language called Scratch by MIT.

If you go to scratch.mit.edu.

It lets you play around with little colored blocks that help you understand the concepts of programming with again without having to write code.

And that kind of environment really gets you thinking about the What am I doing and why am I doing it not necessarily the how of the implementation.

So it’s a really good intro to programming as a whole.

And then you can use that knowledge and graduate to things like IBM Watson Studio, for example, which has the SPSS modeler inside, which is again those little colored blocks that you drag and drop in and connect them in sequence.

If you’re thinking about how to program and you learn in an environment like scratch, you can graduate to a professional environment and do the same things again without having to learn how to code.

So when it comes to marketing, data science, learn the statistical then learn the technical and on the technical side, choose path dabble around at first, see which one’s more comfortable.

Take like an intro to R and an intro to Python, see which one feels better to you.

If neither feels better, you know that you’re going to be on the project management route because you’re not you’re not going to enjoy the technology.

One of the things and we’ll talk about this in soft skills at some point is that if you don’t love the doing it part, don’t make yourself do it.

Yes, the salaries in data science are great and all that stuff.

But if it doesn’t make you happy, you’re not going to do a good job and you’ll be miserable.

I don’t particularly enjoy doing finance.

I’m not good at it.

So it’s it’s a you pick.

If you’re going to consider this as a career option.

Make sure you love doing it.

Make sure that you want to do it.

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Phil asks, “How do you determine a large enough sample size for things like our survey? I always thought 10% sample would be enough, but you seemed to think that’s not true?”

It depends on the size of the overall population. The smaller the population, the larger the sample you need. It also depends on the level of accuracy you need – how repeatable, and what margin of error you’re comfortable with. Many surveys are done at a 95% confidence level (meaning if you repeated the survey 100 times, 95 times it would come back the same) and anywhere from a 2-3% margin of error (meaning that if 49% of people said no to 1 question and 51% said yes, statistically there is no difference, but if 48/52, then there is a difference). Watch the video for a full explanation and examples.

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In today’s episode, Phil asks, How do you determine a large enough sample size for things like a survey how I always thought 10% sampled be enough, but you seem to think that’s not true.

Is is not true.

Here’s why.

surveys and statistical validity depend on the size of the population you’re surveying.

The smaller the population, the larger sample, you’re going to need to deal with.

outliers and, and discrepancies.

And it’s tough to explain, you know, let’s do this.

I’m gonna take, I have five colored blocks here, right, three green, three blue to yellow and put them in this hat.

Now I’m gonna pull one block out of this hat.

Remember, three, three, blue, to yellow.

This is a 20% sample of a public f5 if I conclude then based on the sample that every block in this hat is blue, we know that’s not true, right? There’s two yellows and three blues in here.

And so from a very small sample sample size, I have to be able to randomly draw, you know, I pull out to here, still blue, right? I pull out three here.

Okay, now we’re starting to get somewhere now there’s, there’s a yellow in there, pull up for an 80% sample, three blue and one yellow, and then 100% sample five.

So if you have a very small population, one outlier can really ruin the survey size right? Now if yes, I do keep blocks and other creative things at my desk.

If I have a box full of these, right, and I start pulling out a handful.

This is probably about 10%.

You’re gonna see there’s because there’s so many more blocks.

As long as they are properly mixed, when I pull out samples, I can start to see that I’m getting a more representative sample of the population as a whole.

Now, if this black box were 300 million bricks, we wouldn’t be doing this video because my basement would be full.

But at this, if I had 300 minutes, I could pull out 1000 of these.

And again, as long as it was well mixed, I would have a pretty good idea of what the entire sample would look like, or what the entire population look like, based on that sample of 1000.

Because there’s so many, that as long as it’s stirred, I’m getting a representation, that’s what we’re trying to figure out is, can we get a group, a cluster that is representative of the whole that we can extrapolate to the whole, when you have a small group, you can’t do that because there’s such a much greater chance of, of variation of variability that you could end up drawing some really long conclusion Even something as simple as say, like, I’m at a conference, and I get speaker reviews back, and there’s 500 people in the room, and 10 people left reviews and, you know, 15 or 10 people left reviews, five of them said I was a great speaker 5% was a terrible speaker.

Is that representative? No, not even close.

Because there’s a self selection bias, even there, those 10 people felt strongly enough to leave comments.

And the other 490 people didn’t.

And there’s a very good chance that those 490 people felt differently than the 10 people who did decide to respond.

So there’s a whole bunch of different ways that you have to tackle surveys in particular, I would refer you to there’s there’s three reading sources, I think a great one is Edison research.

And my friend Tom Webster, who so go to Edison research calm And also brand savant.com is a good place to go.

And then there are organizations, the American Association, American Association of Public Opinion researchers a4, a p o r.org.

And Castro, the coalition of Americans.

Oh gosh, I don’t know what both of those are great organizations to have detailed best practices about Public Opinion Research and surveys that will give you some really good starting points for understanding how to do surveys Well, how to avoid many of the biases and the traps that that you run into.

Non response bias, meaning that the people who don’t respond are different than the people who do respond is a big one.

If you’re doing a survey of, say, your email newsletter list, and you only send it to people who have opened emails in the past, well, what about all those people who don’t open your emails? Do they feel differently about your brand of your company? You bet they do.

You bet they do.

So You have to keep in mind all these different things can go wrong, your best bet for doing a sample, determining sample size is to use one of the many, many sample size calculators out there on the web.

Survey Monkey has one surveygizmo has one pretty much every surveying company has one.

And they’re going to ask you for two major numbers.

They want to know your confidence level and your confidence interval.

confidence level means that if you repeat a process 100 times what number of times you get the same results.

So when when I have this five blocks in the hat business, right, how many times I repeat this draw 100 times in a row, how many times Am I going to get the same result? That is your confidence level.

Most surveys operate at a 95% confidence.

Well, that’s the general best practice if you repeated the survey 100 times 90 five of those times you get the same result.

That’s it.

That is that will help you determine the sample size, how large of the population? Do you need to survey in order to get that reliability of 95 times out of 100? You get the same results in your survey.

The second is confidence interval or margin of error.

This is how granular Do you need the results to be in order to be able to judge that’s accurate? So let’s say there’s a yes or no question.

Right? And 49% of people said no, and 51% of people said yes.

If you have a margin of error of 3%, meaning any answer could go either way, plus or minus 3%.

Then a 49% of people said no and 51% of people said yes, there’s a large enough margin of error there that you can’t tell which answer is correct, right, because the 49% could be as low as 46% could be as high as 52%.

And the 51%, could be as low as 48%, as high as 54%.

And they overlap That means that your confidence interval is too wide, the catches, the narrower you make the confidence interval, the larger your sample has to be, in order to have it be representative.

The same is true of confidence level, the higher your confidence level 9095 99%, the larger your sample has to be.

If you incur a cost of, you know, for sending out a survey, then you have to make that balance between how much do I want to spend, and how accurate Do I need my survey to be and it is a balancing game to make that determination, especially if you ever want to ask questions, we have to drill down to a subset of your population, then it’s going to get really expensive.

So keep that in mind.

These are good questions to ask before you do a survey because they dictate the type of survey you’re going to do.

They dictate the cost of it.

They dictate what you can and can’t do with the information.

So it’s a really good question.

Again, use my other calculators Spend some time learning about surveys in particular the biases that go into them, because that is what will ruin them more than anything else is having, you know, doing a survey and saying it’s representative.

And then it not be.

Because if you make a decision based on a sample that’s too small and therefore skewed, you could really throw off every decision you make from that, like, Oh, do you spend money on this as a focus of yours? Is this something that people care about? If the answers are skewed, because you didn’t get a good enough sample, you could spend a lot of time and money, a waste a lot of time and money on something that’s not going to work.

So get the serving basics down first before you run the survey.

Because the other thing that’s tricky about services, there’s no going back.

There’s no rewinding.

You can’t fix the data of the survey data after you’ve done it.

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Jessica asks, “How would you differentiate hypothesis formation and searching for relevant variables WITHOUT “data snooping”?”

Data snooping, or more commonly known as curve fitting or data dredging, is when you build a hypothesis to fit the data. The way to avoid this is by using evidence not included in the dataset you used to build your hypothesis, which is cross-validation. It’s like A/B testing. Most good machine learning tools do this as a best practice, and we should replicate it – they will split a dataset into a training set, a test set, and a validation set. You’ll do this best by starting with a sample of your dataset and then adding new data once you’ve done your initial exploratory data analysis.

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In today’s episode, Jessica asks, how would you differentiate hypothesis formation and searching for relevant variables without data snooping? Good question.

So data snooping is more commonly known as like curve fitting or data dredging.

And it’s what you do when you take a data set, you run an analysis of it, and you formulate a hypothesis, which is normally the reverse order you do things.

And your hypothesis perfectly fits the data and the results.

It’s also something that in the academic world is known as harking hypothesis after results are known.

And it’s obviously very dangerous because if you draw a conclusion on a data set, without any any preventative measures from This particular type of bias data dredging bias, you risk coming up with with flawed conclusions.

So real simple example.

Imagine you have, let’s say a dataset of highly ranked pages in SEO, right? And the number of Twitter shares they have.

And in this dataset, you run an analysis, you find out there’s a strong correlation in this data set between Twitter shares and an SEO value.

And so you come to the conclusion that sharing on Twitter increases SEO value.

And you’re like, awesome, great, you’re excited.

You made a new finding you publish a blog post about me, you put a white paper out about it, and then people take your advice, and they’re like, this isn’t working.

I’m doing I’m getting the Twitter shares, just like I saw in your paper, and I’m not seeing any change in SEO value.

What happened? What happened is that you had a bias in the data set, or there was something in that data set that led you to an erroneous conclusion and you had no way of testing Your your hypothesis, because you use the data set to draw from it.

The way to avoid this is a process that you should be very familiar with, if you’ve done any kind of like a B testing, and marketing, in a B test, you know, you have your web page, you have the control, which is the webpage as it is, and you have the tests that where you’ve changed colors or buttons or text or whatever, and you’re comparing the two.

The same thing is true in this data.

If you had that data set of Twitter and SEO data, you would take that data set, randomize it and then cut it in half.

Half of it, you put aside the other half, that’s the half you would do your analysis on.

Because there is value and it is legitimate to look for patterns in data before you draw a hypothesis.

Sometimes you don’t know what you don’t know.

So you’ve got to look at the data and see like is there they’re there when you’re looking at this dataset is this is this data set.

anything of interest in it.

But by cutting in half, you’ve set aside half of it.

And you build your hypothesis and then you have something, you you run your analysis you draw conclusion, hey look, Twitter shares and SEO highly correlated awesome.

And then you go to your holdout, your control data set, you run the same thing go.

And you realize it’s not there, right? That that same conclusion that you drew from your one set is not in the other and you know, that something has gone wrong, you know, that you were curve fitting essentially, most good machine learning tools, like for example, IBM Watson Studio is AutoAI.

Not only do this automatically for you, they actually will do they’ll split into three sets as a training set, a test set and a validation set.

And so it would, it costs your data set into three and it draws a conclusion and what algorithm is going to use on the training set, and then it validates it test that validates it again, with the validation set to really make sure that you’ve got a legitimate conclusion.

We, as marketing data, scientists have to take that same idea and implement it in practice with our data.

If we don’t if we don’t even do the the validation set, then we’re not we’re going to come up with these weird conclusions that are going to be incorrect.

So that’s what data snooping is.

The challenge is twofold.

Sometimes we don’t have enough data.

And if you snip that set in half, you may find it you just don’t have enough data to even draw statistically valid conclusion which is always real probably a problem.

And also, sometimes you may find that even your data set sample itself has issues right compared to the wide wide world of say SEO you There are what trillions of web pages out there.

Even if you’re looking just in your niche, there may be specific oddities in your data set that you might not have enough, you might have biases in it.

So one of the things you have to be careful of is making sure that you’re bringing in enough data that is randomized that is blended that is big enough that you’re not going to draw incorrect conclusions.

And again, you have to counterbalance that with Is there something that is truly unique about your industry? That wouldn’t be true in other industries that might affect in this example, SEO.

So there’s a lot of gotchas here.

This is an interesting challenge, because from a from a an overall big picture perspective, this is not a technology challenge.

This is not even a mathematics challenge.

This is a process challenge.

You know that you have to do that and a lot of that Especially with data science and machine learning.

If the tools don’t do it for you automatically, people don’t know to do this.

It’s a process problem.

And knowing that you’re supposed to do this, you’re supposed to do cross validation is really important.

This is also a statistical problem.

And even though statistics and probability are the building blocks for data science and machine learning, a lot of folks who rush into data science don’t get enough statistical training to know that there are these time bombs or landmines or whatever you want to call them in the process, so that they can avoid them.

If, if you’re doing exploratory data analysis, again, know that you have to hold some of it out or you’re gonna have to go and get more of that data from the same source and those under the same conditions.

And again, make sure that it’s randomized.

You want to mix it up as much as you can so that you have a representative sample when you’re doing your hypothesis creation.

It’s challenging.

It’s challenging.

It’s challenging to know to do that.

It’s challenging, especially when you’re looking for a result is not there.

Even after you’ve done some, some data snooping on half your data set and there’s nothing there.

Knowing that there’s going to be a bias in your own head to say like, I want to find something in this data is important so that you can prepare against it.

So, really good question.

It’s a challenging question.

It’s a question that again, inexperienced folks are not going to know to look for.

So make sure that you brush up on your stats one on one, take a course in it or if you’re in my case, take a course again, so that you’re aware of what can go wrong when you’re doing this type of analysis.

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