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  • Economics: VIX at 72. Now What?

    VIX at 72. Now what?

    VIX at 72. Market in a panic. Last time this happened, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers gave up the ghost, and the Great Recession was underway.

    VIX at 72. Now what?

    Action to take: nothing.

    Seriously, nothing. At least as it relates to the stock market itself. Wall Street isn’t Main Street.

    Unless you’re a day trader, this information shouldn’t impact you. If you’re not within 5 years of retirement, COMPLETELY ignore the stock market. It’s noise at this point that’s creating more unease that you shouldn’t act on.

    If you’re thinking about investing for the long term, I’d personally wait to invest until the number of cases peak in America, probably in about a couple of months. That’s when the risk should be priced in and we’ll have more visibility into the broader effects of the pandemic.

    If you’re enrolled in a retirement plan like a 401K through your employer, don’t change it outside the annual rebalancing you should be doing anyway.

    If you’re in business, yes, the recession is finally here. All the planning and discussing we’ve been having for over a year now can finally be put in play, so dust off that contingency binder and get cracking.

    Stay home and wash your hands. Take care of yourself. And tune out the short term economic news.

    Reminder: the VIX is the CBOE Volatility Index, an indicator of how volatile traders think the market is, how uncertain it is.


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  • You Ask, I Answer: Building Communities on Slack?

    You Ask, I Answer: Building Communities on Slack?

    Belle asks, “I’ve always picked up from you guys something along the lines of ‘don’t build on other peoples land’ and ‘work on building your email lists’ which all make sense if other platforms disappeared you still have your contacts and I’ve lived by it. But now you seem to be promoting building on Slack, am I missing something here? What if the community you build on Slack you can no longer access? Or are you exporting emails?”

    You’re right that Slack isn’t an owned property, but the registration process through email certainly is, and that’s how we’d restart a community in case things changed. That’s not something you get from other social networks. We have looked at alternatives on servers you host, such as Mattermost.

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    In today’s episode Bell asks, I’ve always picked up from you guys that something along the lines of don’t build on other people’s land and work on building your email list which all makes sense of other platforms disappeared.

    You still have your contacts and I’ve lived by it.

    But now you seem to be promoting building on slack.

    Am I missing something here one of the community you built on Slack, you can no longer access? Are you exploiting emails? Bell you’re exactly right.

    on both counts.

    slack is not an own property.

    It is a SaaS based platform and unless they could theoretically vanish at any time, but what we’ve done for the analytics for marketers community which by the way, if you’re not a member of go to Trust insights.ai slash analytics for markers, is used a piece of software called Community inviter community divider captures the email address and make sure that you’re invited to the community, but it also of course, gives the community owner a list of the people who have registered To join the community, that in turn gives us the ability to reach out to that list if we need to, for any reason, but especially if we would have to migrate services.

    And that’s really one of the major benefits of using a system like that.

    You can always reach out and ping somebody.

    And unlike a standard email form, the good news is that all the emails work, because that’s how you get into the community.

    So if somebody wants to join the community, that would be how to do that.

    You don’t get that from any other social network at all.

    You used to up until November of 2018, you used to be able to get out of LinkedIn.

    But that has since largely been deprecated, by LinkedIn making, sharing your email address with your contacts, not the default, you actually can still go in and set that but that is typically done mostly by sales professionals who want other people contacting them which was totally fine.

    So this particular A system of using community inviter for slack does give us access to the emails that people used to register for the community.

    We have looked at other collaboration software that would be run on servers that we run that we own.

    The principle one there would be a piece of software called matter most, which a lot of companies that are in highly regulated industries use.

    Because you run it on your own servers, it can be run inside your firewall if you need to.

    It is more cumbersome.

    And the reason we didn’t go that route for the Trust Insights community is not because we wanted to run our own servers or not, but because it is an uncommon platform.

    When somebody has the slack client on their desktop and on their phone, browser and such.

    It is easier for them to just add themselves to a new slack community than it is For them to install, yet another app that they may or may not check.

    Again, we did give it some thought because if somebody installs an app just for you, that’s not a bad thing.

    But there is more overhead and less likelihood of them participating than if it’s an app that they have to have open for work all the time, right? If you’re at a company that uses slack internally for collaboration you have it on.

    And therefore, if the communities you’re also a part of dropping messages and things, then you will be more likely to participate because it’s, it’s no extra overhead.

    You don’t have to open up an app, you don’t have to open up a new tab in your browser.

    It’s there already.

    And that was the primary consideration for why we stuck with slack.

    Now, if that changes, then we activate the backup plan.

    But until that changes, I don’t see a need to make that pivot yet but I think your point is a fantastic one, which is, have a backup plan, right? Be where and when possible build on land that you own your website, your email lists, your text messaging, list all that stuff, and have a plan B so that if things do go sideways, if slack loses all its funding, it will, or it decides that we’re going to charge everybody now you have the ability to pivot and go do something else.

    So I would say, keep your eyes on the collaboration space.

    I think 2020 as the year will be an exciting year for collaboration for what is possible.

    The other thing that we really like about Slack, which is tough to replicate with a lot of other standalone platforms is that it has a tremendous number of third party add ons.

    The ability to do all sorts of fancy polls to do integrations with Google Drive and Dropbox.

    The other packages are not there yet.

    They will get there they should get there.

    They won’t have any hope of competing with slack.

    But for right now, because it’s the market leader, there are a ton of integrations for it that make it the best default choice, at least for reaching a certain type of audience, which is another consideration.

    There are plenty of marketers who are not on slack.

    And that’s where other social media channels where your email newsletter in particular is very useful as you have some avenue of communication with folks who aren’t on slack.

    But what we found is when we look at our customer base, we look at the companies they work at and the technologies they use.

    A significant majority of them are also the type of company that uses slack.

    So when it comes to how you want to configure community collaboration and what service to go on, unfortunately, a big part of it has to be where people are.

    So for some companies as much as I I would strongly discourage it.

    They might have to build on like a Facebook groups, if that’s 100% of where your audiences and your audience is unwilling to go anywhere else.

    At the end of the day, you have to go where your audience is.

    We chose not to do that because the group’s compete with a newsfeed.

    And so the engagement was incredibly low, incredibly low.

    When we ran a Facebook group, it was, you know, two or three people seeing a post out of at the time 100, much less responding to it.

    So when 98% of your community can’t even see what you’re posting is definitely an issue.

    So good question.

    The mindset is great.

    build on what you own control as much as you can, so that if the ground changes if the rug gets yanked out from under you, you’re not left high and dry with something that you no longer have control of.

    There is a nonzero possibility that slack will do that.

    We don’t see any signs of it yet.

    Doesn’t mean it can’t change.

    They got acquired tomorrow or they got bought out.

    Who knows but having the list and having Plan B ready to go, definitely helps with that.

    So really good question.

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  • When Did the 2020 Pandemic Recession Start?

    When Did the 2020 Pandemic Recession Start?

    When we look back, we will note that the recession began the week of February 16-23, 2020. That’s when the VIX, which was already unsettled, really took off, and Treasuries took a nosedive.

    Data from the St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank, displayed on a logarithmic scale.

    When did the 2020 Recession begin?


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  • You Ask, I Answer: How to Use Data in Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: How to Use Data in Content Marketing?

    Jason asks, “Can you describe a marketing initiative that illustrates the intersection of data and content?”

    Data is an ingredient, and a fairly substantial one, for any form of content marketing. In content marketing, you have an opinion, a point of view, and then you have to support that opinion. That’s where data comes into play.

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    In today’s episode, Jason asks, Can you describe a marketing initiative that illustrates the intersection of data and content? So, data is an ingredient, right? If you were baking a cake, data would be something very substantial like flour or sugar, right is a it’s a substantial part of any type of content marketing.

    Because you need to have information in Well, you don’t need to have information, your content marketing, but it sure does help.

    When we think about content marketing, when we think about what we’re trying to do, right, we’re trying to persuade somebody we’re trying to put out a point of view, an opinion, a lens to look at something.

    And we have to support that point of view.

    And there are three things that you need for every piece of persuasive content right, this goes way back.

    To 2500 years ago or more in the time of Aristotle, right ethos, pathos and logos, which is ethos is authority.

    pathos is feeling or emotion and logos is logic or fact.

    And those are sort of the three pillars of persuasion.

    And you need all three in order to be persuasive in order to, to convince somebody to buy your product, or to at least look at it to support a certain point of view.

    And when you have all three and you have a good balance of all three, you do really, really well.

    Athos, that authority comes from who you are your credentials, your reputation, things like that.

    pathos comes from the emotions you can invoke.

    And that is, in many cases the language you use the type of story that you tell, but logos are the facts, the logic, the data, if you will, that make up your argument.

    We know from neuroscience that people make decisions emotionally, but then they use data, facts and logic to rationalize the decision to say like, Oh, this is really why I made this decision not I really want that thing.

    And you see this all the time and people’s crazy rationalizations for some of the decisions they make.

    So, almost every marketing initiative that is persuasive in some fashion, from a content marketing perspective uses data, because you have to have that supporting information.

    So, real good example we have been a Trust Insights keeping an eye on people’s usage of Tiktok specifically search terms about you know, join Tiktok create a Tiktok account, etc.

    And also, you know, quit Tiktok delete Tiktok and keeping us from a running index of these two things, and seeing how the ebbs and flows of people searches dictate They’re interested in the platform, right there their willingness to participate, and using that as a proxy to decide, is this something that marketers should invest in? And the answer thus far has been, as initially it was no.

    Now let’s dip your toe in the water.

    And as we continue to see this data, and we see the changes in the data, we continue to see a growing case that you might want to try it out if your audience is there.

    So from a data perspective, being able to watch that index, if you will, and make decisions based on is something that helps us produce content about it, do you have to say this is something that is a known thing, this is something that is of interest.

    And you should do something about now for those people who have no interest in Tiktok at all I just staunchly against they have an emotional, an emotional block to it.

    The logic doesn’t matter, right? The data doesn’t matter.

    It’s not for me.

    And that’s fine.

    I’m not trying to persuade those people, we’re not trying to really in this particular case, we’re not trying to persuade anyone.

    But for those who are avid fans of the platform, their emotion has been as driven a decision.

    And they will look at the data and say, This confirms what I’ve been saying.

    And for those who are on the fence, which is who we end up speaking most to in a lot of our content marketing.

    This is Oh, okay, maybe it’s worth a try.

    So in this case, you have a decision being made with pathos.

    And then for those who are trying to rationalize whatever decision, they can look at the data logic, the fact the logos and confirm, deny or Go ahead with some kind of decision.

    From that perspective, in many ways data gives you permission to make a decision.

    Right data gives you permission to make a decision.

    Because we know that we judge ourselves, we judge others on the rationality of their decisions, even if we know in our heart of hearts that almost all decisions decisions are emotional.

    But when we deal with human qualities like altruism, and enlightened self interest we judge people on whether it is they’re making decisions purely for selfish reasons, or they’re at least trying to help others.

    So when you’re using data in your content marketing, be thinking about how do I give a stakeholder the permission to make a decision in favor? What does you’re trying to market? What information do they need to have to be able to point to adjustable That decision said I know I made this rational decision wink wink nudge nudge.

    I made this rational decision based on this information.

    And they feel better.

    And they feel like they have a rock to stand on.

    So that is the intersection of data and content it is that one third of decision making as part of persuasion that we have to provide as markers because if we don’t, we make it very hard for people to justify the decisions, agreeing with somebody else’s opinion is okay.

    But agreeing with somebody else’s facts for most people, in most circumstances, some politicians exempted is how we insulate ourselves from liability, how we support our opinions, and how we convince others that we’re acting in their interest.

    So that’s really where I would say you should start thinking about how to use data in your content marketing.

    Good questions a complex question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Which Technologies Will Thrive During a Pandemic?

    You Ask, I Answer: Which Technologies Will Thrive During a Pandemic?

    The obvious ones: video conferencing software, webinar software, VPNs and other security software. Non-obvious: cloud office software, because IT can’t come to your house to fix things. Cloud IT management software. Pretty much cloud anything because again, IT can’t come to your house, and if it’s in a browser, IT can manage it. We’re also going to see new use cases of drones and other automation, like physical plant security. In marketing specifically, it’ll be video, content marketing, and analytics. Content marketing should surge forward for the savvy marketers. Video and audio production will soar. And analytics will be an essential ingredient for managing ROI in a recession.

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    In today’s episode sangra masks what technologies will be essential as the world goes virtual for a few months due to the pandemic? Well, for starters, the obvious ones anything collaboration related, so video conferencing, webinars, virtual conferences, all those things that people need in order just to be able to have meetings and be able to get work done.

    Things like Google suite for for the office, LogMeIn, GoToMeeting and GoToWebinar you name it.

    If it’s a type of communication software, it’s going to do well slack.

    For example, I expect slack to do extremely well during this period.

    Non obvious stuff is going to be cloud stuff cloud office software, because guess what, it can’t come to your house, right? I mean, for a variety of reasons, but especially during a pandemic, they’re not going to be traveling out to make house calls.

    So as long as you have a great computer with a functional browser, and good enough internet, you’re going to have be relying heavily on cloud software.

    So Cloud office software, cloud IT management software, cloud antivirus, you know, all things cloud.

    Because again, it can’t come to your house.

    technologies like faster internet, by any means whether it is 5g, which is still too early for almost everyone, or just faster Wi Fi, I would expect to see some change out of things like routers and Wi Fi access points, as people realize that the thing that has been collecting dust in the corner of their living room for the last five years is a little out of date.

    And picking up with the faster stuff I had a router at my house here that I’ve just replaced not too long ago, and it was a substantial change in speeds.

    So again, it’s all infrastructure stuff.

    I think there’s A lot of knock on effects for infrastructure that we have will not see until you know, I’m we’re through the pandemic period.

    But it’ll be good for the technology companies that make infrastructure stuff like you know, Netgear, Cisco Systems, etc.

    Now, we’re going to see some interesting use cases of automation, and specifically physical things like drones, or Boston, robotics, their spot drones, the walking dog like drones, because many things like physical plant security, things that you can’t really do virtually, solely virtual, you need to have something there.

    That is, you know, walking the perimeter, doing security sweeps, etc.

    And let’s be honest, if you’re breaking into somebody’s warehouse, and you see a giant 300 pound robot dog, you’re probably going to not do that.

    Cuz you don’t know what that thing is what the thing is capable of except that you know, can run really, really fast.

    But all things, drones and automation, we are already seeing some knock on effects in delivery services companies saying that they will do things like dropping off a, a delivery or an order of food or whatever just on the front porch so that you don’t have to physically interact with another human being, which again, is a good thing because that’s where contagion spreads.

    So I would expect to see some progress, not a ton, but some progress made in delivery drones, not flying ones, just the little rolling ones.

    We’ve seen proof of concept from Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut where they have a rolling robot that just rolls up to the side of your, your sidewalk, and you walk out with your phone and you scan your code and it opens up and gives you your pizza.

    I would expect to see more things like that.

    Because those are clearly use cases that are simple.

    Those are use cases that make a lot of sense.

    The same as For within very specific contexts, some autonomous vehicles not driving people around for like, you know, replacing your Ubers but within a very specific limited context like just being able to ferry somebody from one point to another without another a second human in the vehicle, and I would not expect to see a lot of that in marketing specifically.

    I expect to see growth in three areas, I expect to see growth in all things video, whether it is video software, using Camtasia for example, for this video, video hardware, again cameras and and such as people discover that webcam they’ve been holding on to since 2012, doesn’t quite cut the mustard anymore for high quality video chat, audio equipment, of course, expect to see some of that even if it’s just you know, simple things like simple headsets, you would expect to see some some changes being made there.

    All things content.

    So, content marketing, blogging, white paper is all the graphics and creation tools again, all the cloud based things services like Canva.

    I would expect to do well, podcasting might expect to do extremely well.

    podcasting has already been on a tear for the last few years, I’d expect to see podcasting do extremely well in the next two years.

    So as people looking for things to do, can ask their their smart devices paila marketing over coffee podcast, so expect to see some of that there.

    And then the third area in marketing specifically is analytics.

    I expect to see all things analytics do extremely well for two reasons.

    One, the pandemic is going to be accompanied by a recession.

    Very little doubt about that.

    And with a recession comes a relentless focus on ROI.

    So with that, you need analytics to understand the ROI of what it is that your company is doing.

    And to because so much will have gone virtual And so much will have gone digital.

    It’s a lot easier to measure when, you know, we always talk about how do you differentiate and understand the value of non digital interactions like, you know, shopping at the mall or face to face meetings? Well, for three months, you’re going to have a huge testbed that will essentially tell you, here’s the, here’s the Delta, of taking away that now there’s a lot of confounding factors.

    So don’t try to do a simple regression that will not go well.

    But because all that activity will be moved to virtual, you will have much, many more opportunities to measure it.

    So and see how the click stream works.

    See how people hop from channel to channel.

    So things like customer journey mapping will become very informative, as you have so much more data in the digital realm because people will be doing much less in the physical realm.

    All of these trends are all of these matters.

    Grow activities, I think will change how we do work.

    Because we will find that, well, to get business done, we don’t necessarily need to have an office, we don’t necessarily need to have a physical building to go to just to sit in meetings, we will find that we get just as much or just as little done in virtual meetings as we do in real meetings, right.

    If you want for fun, you’ll want to get out the the conference called bingo cards, because even though it’s 2020 people still have a tough time sometimes operating the telephone, there’ll be a lot of you Can anyone hear me this on all that stuff.

    So expect that have a little fun with it, maybe make it into a drinking game.

    And, and we’ll see how much the sticks around after business resumes in you know, in the next three to six months, as we as we get past the initial phase of the pandemic and start assessing the overall impacts but things like more automation, more cost efficiencies, more clouds Based things.

    I think we’ll see a lot of that.

    I think we’ll see a lot of that continuing on companies saying, Hey, we saved a lot of money.

    By having people working from their homes.

    One of the reasons why Trust Insights is a virtual company is because it is enormous cost savings to not have to pay rent for an office.

    And for the work, we do need to have an office that don’t think other than, you know, maybe a couple of meetings at other people’s offices.

    Never had to host anybody for a business meeting.

    Maybe they’ll stick with my dining room table.

    The dog, say hello to them.

    But that’s, that’s what technologies are going to be essential.

    All things cloud VPN security software, gonna be really important to make sure that security is being maintained well, cloud and then on the marketing, side, video, audio content and analytics.

    So good question.

    Lots of plan ahead for again, ahead of it.

    Now, if your infrastructure is not ready, you need to be accelerating plans.

    Look at SAS based companies that allow you to swipe the credit card and just get going right away as opposed to you know, long pitch process because it literally is days that you have in places as we see offices and schools and things closing down you will not have a long time so look at all the SAS software companies that just let you swipe a credit card and get going.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: B2B Marketing Lead Tracking with Google Analytics?

    You Ask, I Answer: B2B Marketing Lead Tracking with Google Analytics?

    Anonymous asks, “In B2B marketing, how do I track a lead from a paid ad to a conversion?”

    The process requires great Google Analytics setup and tagging, nothing more, at least to the point of conversion. To the point of sale, that requires a good CRM and potentially a marketing automation system.

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    In today’s episode, anonymous asks, in B2B, how do I track a lead from paid ads conversion? So, quick note about the anonymous thing, we have a form over on the Trust Insights website.

    It’s called Ask a silly question.

    And it’s intended to ask questions that you might not feel comfortable asking, sticking your name next to it.

    Some of those things like, I probably should know this, but I don’t.

    So this is one of those questions.

    The answer to this question is fairly straightforward.

    It requires two things great Google Analytics setup, and Google Analytics tagging.

    When you do both properly, you can measure up to the point of a form fill, and possibly a little bit afterwards in any b2b or b2c marketing setup.

    So the way it typically works is you would make sure that you have goals and goal values set up in Google Analytics that are set to whatever your conversion is like downloading a white paper or requesting a demo or filling out the Contact Us form.

    those goals would be things you would track and Google Analytics and would be indicators.

    Somebody crossed the line the finish line, and did the thing that you wanted them to do.

    On the paid ad side, you would use Google’s UTM tracking codes.

    Call it stands for urgent Tag Manager from way, way, way back in the day, 15 years ago, when Google bought urgent analytics and turned it into Google Analytics.

    So those UTM tracking codes, you would indicate the source, the medium and the campaign and possibly some other details in order to be able to assign where traffic came from that converted.

    So in any standard paid ad, you would make the UTM source whatever the network is like Facebook or Google ads or Bing Ads or whatever The medium would almost certainly be CPC for paid search, paid social for paid social display, CPV or CPA for cost per acquisition or cost per view for display advertising.

    And then the campaign, whatever the campaign name is, white paper 2020 or whatever, whatever your whatever it is you’re doing.

    Those two things combined, allow you to see leads that you’ve acquired from your paid ads and assess the performance of ads.

    If you have a goal value set up in Google Analytics, it’ll even give you then the estimated inferred revenue for what those conversions are generating.

    Now, the one thing Google Analytics does not do out of the box, and it’s something you need is track personally identifiable information and in fact, it’s explicitly disallowed.

    Terms of Service.

    So if you want to track an individual person from a paid ad to a conversion, you will have to use at least a CRM that integrates with Google Analytics and potentially a marketing automation system, something like, you know, par.or, Marketo or Eloqua, or, like with Oracle Marketing Cloud now Mautic, Hubspot, any of the major marketing automation software packages can integrate with Google Analytics and allow you to track an individual person from wherever they came from, like a paid ad to into your CRM, and then potentially even whether that business closes or not, to be able to understand the performance of an ad at a revenue level.

    That requires a lot more setup that requires extensive integration and proper configuration of all the tools.

    So if you need data in the aggregate, like how well are my favorites, adds to it how well my LinkedIn ads doing Google Analytics and Google UTM.

    tracking codes is the way to go.

    And it’s very straightforward, if you need the individually identifiable information requires a lot more setup from Google Analytics, and the UTM tracking codes to marketing automation to CRM.

    Now, the next question need to ask is What are you going to do with that information? tracking it tracking leads is great, and it’s important, we should definitely do it.

    But the bigger question is, what decisions will you make from that information? Will you change your ads? If you find ads or some ads are less effective than others? That’s an important decision to be able to make.

    Do we need to change the messaging? Are we on the right network? So in the right place where people are, do we have the right audience? Do we have the right offer? Generally speaking, when it comes to ads and tracking and decisions, there’s going to be three decisions They’re gonna make and this references Bob stones 1968 direct marketing framework used to say lists offer creative in that order, do the right list, meaning your audience do the right offer.

    And you have the right creative when it comes to paid ads, same exact thing applies.

    Are you advertising to the right people? Google Analytics can give you some of that information.

    But the paid ads system you’re using probably will give you more of that information.

    But it’s certainly if you’re just kind of going broad.

    With advertising, you will not get great performance advertising today works much better with a very specific audience in mind.

    So make sure that when you’re setting up your tracking codes, you’re tracking which list you are or which audience you’re going after.

    If you’ve got the right people, then the next step is do you have the right offer? Do you have an offer that’s compelling to those people and that’s something that, again, Google Analytics will not tell you that.

    In fact, nothing will tell you that except something like a focus group.

    Or a survey of your target audience to say, hey, if you need analytics consulting, what kind do you need getting information from your audience that way? And then the last, of course, is the creative, you have the right images, copy and all those things.

    One of the things that people do wrong with this type of tracking is that well, a two things.

    One, they don’t make decisions at all.

    And two, if they do, it’s usually on the creative side and not looking at the list and the offer side.

    Bob stones framework clearly says, make sure you’re advertising to the right people first, because you’re not nothing else matters.

    You can have the best offer, you can have the most beautiful creative and if you’re targeting the wrong audience, nothing matters.

    So address your testing based on your analytics from that perspective list first, then audience then creative.

    So to sum up, if you only care about conversion to like a form Google Analytics and Google Analytics UTM tracking are the way to go set it up properly.

    And you’ll be able to track everything that you need from beginning from the source of your traffic to the thing that they did.

    If you need identifiable information, you’ll need to integrate your marketing automation and CRM system.

    And if you’re going to make great decisions, make sure that you spend some time learning how UTM tracking codes work.

    And in fact, you can search this on my YouTube channel and find other videos on UTM tracking codes, best practices, but make sure you’re using them well, because if you don’t, the data gets messed up.

    And unfortunately, you can never go back and fix it in Google Analytics.

    So anonymous.

    Hopefully this answers your question.

    If you have further questions, please leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Starting Marketing From Scratch?

    You Ask, I Answer: Starting Marketing From Scratch?

    Katy asks, “What’s one thing you would do and one you wouldn’t if you could build your marketing from scratch?”

    I’d avoid rushing in, and I’d start with an overall 6W strategic plan.
    – Why would anyone buy what we have to sell?
    – Who do I have available in terms of talent?
    – What tactics are available to us?
    – When do we need to start generating results?
    – Where will we be marketing?
    – How will we measure success?

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    In today’s episode, Katie asks, What’s one thing you would do? And one you wouldn’t if you could build your marketing from scratch? Well, the one thing I wouldn’t do is just rush right in and start doing things, right.

    That’s generally not a recipe for success anytime except perhaps in like life threatening situations.

    But what I would do is an overall strategic marketing plan.

    Because as much as sometimes I might dislike planning, you gotta do it.

    You got to do if you want to be successful, and you want to be able to say yes and no to the right things, because that’s really what a plan does.

    A plan gives you the ability to say no to things that don’t matter to say yes, things do matter, and to help you prioritize, so what would be in this filling out this one thing it would be the six W’s right? Who, what, where, when, why and how.

    And it would be number one overall business golden strategy Why would anyone buy what we have to sell? And this part takes a lot of time as it should because you have to be real clear that you have to real clear on your unique selling proposition.

    My friend Ann Handley says if the logo fell off would anyone know it’s you? It’s a fantastic way of expressing is the logo fell off? Would anyone know it was you take any given product or service? Would someone note was uniquely your companies or could it be any company in your space? So gotta solve for that first.

    Second, who do I have available as talent? This can be employees this can be partners this can be agencies can even be customers.

    rank for user generated content.

    But you got to know who, who you got and what they can do.

    Because if you don’t, you can’t choose your tactics.

    Well, you have to be able to know what the palette looks like.

    Number three, what tactics are available to us.

    If you know where you’re going, it’s a question of how you’re going to get there.

    Right? If you have a destination, you can fly, you can drive you could take a train maybe might take a boat could bicycle you could walk.

    And there are different measures based on your resources available, right? If you have no money, you can theoretically walk.

    If you have very limited amounts of money.

    You could bicycle or drive if you have got a lot of money, you could fly first class.

    The same is true for marketing.

    What do you have? What kinds of money do you have and what kinds of restrictions What kinds of content Do you already have? what’s available to you? Either regulatory things that prohibit you from doing certain tactics, you may not be able to use certain social media channels.

    For example, if you are in a highly regulated industry, or in a controversial industry, like if you’re in the cannabis industry, paid ads are generally not available to you on mainstream marketplaces.

    So, what are the tactics? Number four, when when do we need to start generating results? What’s the timeline? What does the company’s calendar look like? If you get into a new job and they say we need to be generating, you know, 200% more leads yesterday.

    Okay, if that’s if that’s what the company requires, and you’ve got to adjust what you’ve planned to fit that, but more than anything, you’re just getting started.

    Start building out a realistic timeline.

    What are you going to do in the first 30 days, the first 90 days the first quarter the first year.

    Knowing that timeline again helps you with resources like all things, you, if you don’t know how long you have, you may not be able to make great decisions.

    Again, example from the the travel thing, if you’re walking somewhere, it may take substantially longer than if you fly there.

    But if you’ve got the time you can afford to walk if you don’t have the time you have to fly or you won’t get there.

    Same is true for marketing.

    SEO, for example, is a fantastic way to generate long term results.

    Seo takes a lot of time, right? You won’t probably see any good results in the first 90 days.

    And you’ll start to see better results after the first couple of years of consistently generating a lot of content it takes time.

    Where will we be marketing right? So again, going sort of the channels, the capabilities Do you have a service area, your company geographically constrained? Again, these are all limits on what you Do so knowing these things is important.

    And finally, and my personal favorite, how will we measure success? If measurement is not part of your plan, it is not a plan.

    Right? It is a wish list measurement, analytics, data, insights, all that stuff is essential.

    How will you know that your marketing has been successful? If you don’t have a plan, played a way to measure it.

    So is it going to be Google Analytics, you’re going to be building dashboards? Are you going to need to create executive reports Do you report to a board of directors? Do you have to report results publicly right if you’re a publicly traded company, even if you’re not if you were in a new say a new startup, and they have aspirations to be publicly traded, then you should know that in advance so that you can plan And conform to the reporting requirements for publicly traded companies.

    All of these questions are things that need to be in your your overall strategic marketing plan.

    And if you do them, if you invest the time to build this plan, take your 30 6090 days to build a plan getting input from all your stakeholders getting input from your customers getting input from the audience that you want to serve doing surveys and focus groups and things you will come up with a a fantastic plan of all of them.

    I think that the to the people will struggle with the most of the unique selling proposition because a lot of companies out there have very generic products and services and the measurement of success.

    Again, marketers have not been great about measuring and making decisions from data.

    So those are the two areas where I think you’ll have the hardest time I think the most important So really good question, build a plan and avoid jumping in, avoid just starting to do stuff especially if you don’t have measurement in place.

    One of the critical mistakes I’ve seen people do is just keep doing what the company has been doing as soon as you get into the job without asking does this work? I mean to jump in and start building those social media calendars every every week’s calendar, it’s gonna take it four or five hours a week to do it.

    Great.

    Does it work? Otherwise, that’s four to five hours, you could be doing something else.

    So really good question.

    If you have follow up questions, please leave them in the comments box below.

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  • Social Media Marketing World 2020 #SMMW20 – Day 2 Recap

    Social Media Marketing World 2020 Day 2 Recap

    A recap of a key idea from day 2 of Social Media Marketing World 2020: how are we using social media data in places other than social media? I answer a question asked of me yesterday about doing small business and local business marketing with social data, but offline to reach new audiences.

    Social Media Marketing World 2020 Day 2 Recap

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    Is episode recapping day two of Social Media Marketing World, lots of good introductory sessions to talk to a number of attendees who were really happy with the show overall.

    And a lot of the introductory material a lot of the crowd is the show for the first time.

    And so we’re getting a lot of benefit from the basics, making sure that the basics are solid and in good condition, which is super important making sure that you are using the basics.

    Well.

    One of the more advanced ideas that came out of a bunch of conversations yesterday was using social media data in an offline way.

    So we tend to think Think of online and offline as these separate things, you spend a lot of time running ads content.

    And then you have things that are like out of home advertising, direct mail, phone calls.

    And we don’t really put the two audiences together, we don’t ever take insights from one and use it to inform the other.

    There is a place for offline there is a place for print, there’s a place for traditional advertising, you have to do it well.

    And you have to do it very efficiently.

    So you’re looking for maximizing your return on investment from will be higher cost, higher expense forms of outreach.

    But there is a place for particularly since there’s more bandwidth in the offline 20 years ago, or 30 years ago, your postal mailbox was stuffed full of garbage, right just junk mail.

    And the inbox was magical place where your friends message You flip that around now and now your inbox and your social inboxes.

    And common feeds are all stuffed with junk and more ads and you can count and your postal mailbox basically does bills, maybe the occasional magazine random like political advertisement.

    And that’s it.

    So the in the physical inbox is now a place of informations relative information scarcity.

    And there are other channels you can use to reach audiences in the physical world.

    I was talking to someone yesterday who works at a propane company.

    And they were saying like they’ve they’ve hit diminishing returns on their Facebook ads.

    They’re spending, spending spending and just not getting the kinds of results that they’re looking for.

    So I said, Well, how we how are you trying to reach people within your service area more efficiently? They said, Well, you know, just just keep running ads like Wally Ad inventory, particularly this time of year, meaning in an election year is super expensive because every political campaign on Facebook is spending like a drunken sailor onshore leaf to to attract attention, said what if you could reach those people in an offline way and in a way that might make a lot of sense.

    And they said, well, like how would you do that with Facebook data? So you go to Facebook in, go to Facebook, Audience Insights, type in the geography of the place that kaamika that comprises your service area, like San Diego, California, and then go to tab to and Facebook audiences.

    It’s called page likes.

    And you’ll see all the things that people in that community like and if you don’t see things that you’re are immediately obviously leaping out as to where your audience is, then go into interest on the left.

    hand side and type in the word pizza.

    And you will start to see things like popular pizza restaurants in your service area.

    Reach out to that restaurant.

    And because many pizza places do offer an advertising program and say how much would it cost me to attach physical flyers to pizza boxes that deliver in this service area? Now, the cost may be higher than Facebook ad maybe, but submit substantially lower than like a printed magazine that’s substantially lower than newspaper and you’re reaching places that you know your audience is paying attention, right when somebody orders a pizza.

    How’s the sheet paper, they at least look at it first.

    Before they toss the box, hopefully in recycling, I said so that’s a use case where you can take Facebook data to identify the pizza shop that people like in that area and work with that to distribute a message and the same was true like live music venues.

    Is there a place that has your audience that you could go and buy? Like the little advertisement? in the restroom? Right? Is there a mall? Is there a theater? Is there a local musician that you could sponsor? That is really part of your core audience.

    Amanda Robinson over the digital gal said that it’s best when you buy Facebook ads, you’re buying data, you’re not buying this performance, you’re buying access to data.

    But with Facebook Audience Insights, you don’t have to buy anything, you can go in and use the targeting tool and just learn more about who your audience is.

    Do it now while the information is still available, because this will get regulated, regulated out of existence at some point, I’m sure.

    But go in and learn about your audience.

    And then are there hooks that you can use to reach out into the community and the target audience you’re looking at specially for local businesses.

    Specially for local business, and work on building those relationships in the real world, Facebook can give you the guidance as to where in the real world you should be spending that time based on the popularity of the interests, people have places they check in.

    And then you can use a channel that is less crowded, like the physical location itself.

    So that’s an important more advanced takeaway from conversations I had at the show.

    I didn’t actually go to any sessions on on the second day, because again, most of them were very introductory.

    And that’s great as there’s some important thing.

    But a lot of folks that I did touch chat with had some advanced questions, more experienced practitioners had some advanced questions about how do I get more out of what it is we’re doing with social media data, and so I think that’s certainly one of the most useful and entertaining and insightful ways that I could have spent the day chatting, and seeing the kinds of questions people ask about the data.

    But again, the conference was a fantastic conference, lots of good people, lots of new people always love talking to new people and seeing what people’s business challenges are with social media data.

    And stay tuned to the Trust Insights podcast and I couldn’t be posting the audio from my off the books workshop on data science one on one.

    So if you’re not subscribed, go over to Trust insights.ai.

    And you can find the podcast moment you subscribe to the podcast or Apple podcasts or Google podcasts where it’s called in ear insights.

    And you’ll you’ll hear that talk from yesterday that will be posted on traditional channels.

    So go over there.

    Thanks, of course to Social Media Examiner, the team there Mike stelzner Philip marshawn whole crew for putting on yet another wonderful year.

    If you have follow up questions on this please leave it in the comments below.

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  • Social Media Marketing World 2020 #SMMW20 – Day 1 Recap

    Social Media Marketing World 2020 Day 1 Recap

    A look back at the first day of Social Media Marketing World and a key takeaway for how you think about social media. If you’re not using Metcalfe’s Law to decide what is and isn’t social media, consider adopting its usage today.

    Social media is anything that uses Metcalfe’s network effect. Every user provides additional value to existing user. An extra reader doesn’t change your value of a blog post you’re reading. An extra member on Twitter gives you additional utility. That then means that tons of other sites are social networks, social media. Github. YouTube. Twitch. Discord. Slack. Spiceworks. Pornhub. Stack Overflow. 500px. The list goes on. All those are social.

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    So let’s talk about day one of Social Media Marketing World.

    The event had your usual fun, engaging entertainment such and a few fun headline acts, Michael stelzner took a lot of time to walk through the social media landscape reiterating a point that markers been here for a couple years now, which is that organic reach for traditional social media is dead.

    Marketers should be focusing a lot, a lot more on video.

    Hey, Ann Handley went through a fantastic very entertaining keynote on slowing down in order to speed up making sure that you actually take time to craft your marketing As though it was actually communications to other people, and making sure that people understood what you’re trying to give them spending time on the value of your marketing.

    There were a lot of other sessions that hasn’t had some fun stuff in them.

    But I think the thing that I want the takeaway to be from this year’s show, and certainly the takeaway I tried to bring in the talk that I gave is that social media is more than just big tech companies, right? It is more than just Twitter and Facebook and Instagram at Tiktok and LinkedIn.

    Those are important.

    Those are social networks, but they are not social media by themselves.

    They are not the end all the social media social media is any form of media where the network effect Metcalf’s network effect is in place.

    So what does that mean? Metcalfe’s law says that the value of a network grows in proportion to the number of members squared of that network.

    If you have a phone, right, and you’re the only person in the world with a phone, it’s not super helpful, right? It’s, it’s actually kind of useless.

    If two people have a phone, how you’re starting to get somewhere that you can call somebody.

    And every new person who gets a phone adds value to everybody else who already has a phone because their phone gets more valuable because there’s yet another person to call.

    So when we talk about network effects that really the defining characteristic of social media, if somebody reads your blog post, great.

    If two people read your blog posts, the first reader doesn’t get any more value out of it, right? So a blog is not social.

    On Twitter, if you only have one friend, hey, it’s not great.

    But as you add More people to your network, you get benefit, everybody else gets benefit too and the value increases.

    So with that in perspective, think about all the places that are out there on the internet that are functionally social networks, forums, discussion forums, forums, threads in in all kinds of apps, the comments section in places like YouTube.

    We are we have gotten so ingrained in our thinking that if it’s not an app on our phone, and it’s not got 500 million users, that is not social media, it’s not true.

    GitHub, for example, is a social network for developers.

    You can post code there, you can commit code to other people’s projects.

    You can participate in a variety of discussions and such.

    It’s a fantastic social network for coders.

    Stack Overflow for it in code folks.

    Asking questions.

    Solving other people’s problems giving advice, Cora social network where you can do Qa 500 pixels, social network for photographers even Pornhub social network for adult entertainment, right? There’s all these different websites and services out there.

    They may not have the fanciest flashiest apps, they may just be a discussion forum.

    But their social networks, their social media, which means that if you have to narrow a view of what social media is, you’re missing opportunities.

    You’re missing opportunities to find new audiences to find less expensive audiences to be able to if you want to run ads run more targeted ads where you know the intent of the people who are there.

    If you are in say, a community on Twitch, or in discord, you know exactly what the intent of that community is about Because it’s, you know, it’s fans of this thing.

    If you’re in a slack community like analytics for markers, which is is the Trust Insights, slack.

    You know why you’re there.

    You know why everyone else is there.

    It’s not to discuss politics or the weather or sports, it’s to talk about analytics for markers.

    By the way, you should sign up.

    It’s free Trust insights.ai slash analytics for marketers.

    When we think about social media as being all these potential places where users people us are interacting with each other, providing value to each other.

    We can be much more aware of smaller networks, niche networks, industry specific networks, topics, specific networks, and get more value.

    And in our analytics, you’re going to start having to read code or reclassify a lot of your referral traffic is social in those cases, because when somebody visits you from A Reddit post or if somebody visits you from a SoundCloud track.

    That’s social media.

    That’s not a referral.

    I mean, you can you can measure it either way.

    But if you’re trying to get the value of what are users doing, what are people doing to talk about us? Then I would classify those things as social instead of for traffic, even though they don’t have the cool app, even though they don’t have venture capital, you know, millions of dollars, something like that.

    We can broaden our minds, our definitions of what social media is, we will get better results and it will free us from being enslaved, just handing your wallet over to Mark Zuckerberg every month.

    Right.

    So in terms of a takeaway from day one, now sounds incredibly jerk like behavior.

    Egotistical.

    But I would like that to be your takeaway from day one of Social Media Marketing World.

    What’s your social network for your company, for your industry for your niche.

    And by the way, if there isn’t one, it’s a golden opportunity for you.

    It’s a golden opportunity for you to create one for your industry.

    There are tons of open source packages that are pieces of software that will let you run a discussion forum or what you can run a set up a slack group.

    I would not build on a mainstream social media network because you’re subject to the algorithm those places but build something for your industry.

    If there isn’t one, build it and then it’s yours.

    And then you become the authority in your industry.

    You become the place people go to have those conversations and you’ll have people literally knocking on the door to do business with you.

    It’s a really terrific thing.

    So day one in the bag day to ahead, see what what people have to But in a lot of my conversations yesterday was making sure that people understood there’s more to social media than just the 500 million user plus apps.

    So hopefully that is useful to you and setting your own strategy.

    As always, please leave your comments in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Email Marketing Unsubscribes?

    You Ask, I Answer: Email Marketing Unsubscribes?

    Anthony asks, “Why do you make it so easy to unsubscribe? Almost blatantly daring the recipient to do so.”

    We want people to unsubscribe if they don’t want to be on our lists any more. Why? It comes down to deliverability – the algorithms which put our emails in the inbox or in the spam bucket – we want as few bad subscribers as possible. One of the key drivers of that algorithm? Whether someone marks us as spam or not. We need that to happen as little as possible – so make the unsubscribe obvious.

    You Ask, I Answer: Email Marketing Unsubscribes?

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    In today’s episode Anthony asks, Why do you make it so easy to unsubscribe to your email marketing newsletter almost blatantly daring the recipient to do so.

    So this is a good question.

    If you haven’t seen the unsubscribe button in my newsletter, it looks like this.

    It is a it is blatantly obvious.

    And the reason for it has to do with deliverability rates.

    So in email marketing, your list size is important.

    But so is the percentage of people who open click and do stuff with your newsletter, the more people who don’t do anything with the newsletter, don’t open it, move it straight to the trash.

    Worst case scenario, flick it and click mark as spam, the worse your deliverability gets.

    And like all algorithms, the deliverability rate changes based on people’s behavior.

    So if you think about the analogy of the Facebook newsfeed right if people don’t engage with your posts, you start showing up less and less and less.

    The same is true on a more primitive scale with email marketing, the less people do things like open your email, the more algorithms like you know, g males.

    Priority Inbox, for example, will prioritize your newsletter.

    So, it may go to a separate tab in Gmail, for example, it may go to not showing up all that often it may go straight to spam in the worst case scenario.

    And so, we want to encourage people to be engaged.

    well as with any rate, you have a numerator and denominator, right the number opens versus the number of sentence.

    If you encourage people to unsubscribe, you are effectively reducing the denominator, right your if the if 10 People if you have a list of 110 people, right? And you have 10 opens, that’s that’s one out of 11 people opening, get 10 of those people to unsubscribe.

    And now it’s one out of 10.

    Right? Your numbers have gone up from point nine, two, to 109 2.1.

    And so, if we get rid of Deadwood on our lists, people who don’t open people who don’t click people who don’t do anything, we improve our performance with those algorithms.

    So it’s, it’s in our interest as marketers to have as engaged a list as possible.

    So that means a couple things.

    One, having an obvious unsubscribe, right, the more obvious we can make it the more painful the better and to getting rid of Deadwood on lists.

    If someone has an open an email from you in six months, or a year ever, like over nothing.

    It’s probably time for them to go, it’s time for that list to get pruned back, because it’s just hurting your performance, it just hurting your ability to show up and in eligos.

    Certainly, a key thing, if you’re not already doing it is using verification services.

    I use one called million verifier that I dumped my entire list to, and it validates which email addresses are working in which ones are broken.

    That’s super important.

    Because, again, if you’re sending email to bad addresses, you’re going to get penalized pretty heavily in those algorithms.

    So make your unsubscribe really obvious to get rid of people who don’t want to be there to get rid of people who don’t want to be engaged with you.

    Having inactive subscribers on your email list is the equivalent of having bought followers a lot of ways from a from an algorithm perspective.

    So we don’t want to do that.

    We want to get rid of them and make it obvious.

    One of the worst things that can happen to your email list is somebody clicking that market spam button.

    You do not want that to happen.

    Because that is a major reputation thing with these algorithms.

    Why would somebody hit mark as spam was built right into the interface super easy and like a Gmail.

    And if your unsubscribe link is to pick this two point font buried at the bottom, light gray on a white background, which a lot of marketers do, then guess what they’re going to be a little are going to take the least amount of work that they need to do and click mark as spam instead.

    Right You do not want that.

    You want people to find the unsubscribe link easily and hit that because you would rather lose that subscriber than have that subscriber report us spam because it’s just it’s a terrible, terrible reputation being in those algorithms not use personally.

    Your email sending reputation the lower your reputation goes again.

    the less likely it is E shopping algorithms.

    And finally, in terms of the easily unsubscribe button.

    One of the other things has happened with things like GDPR and ccpa is that you have to prove a lot as the marketer that you’ve obtained consent and all this stuff.

    But having such an obvious unsubscribe button means that if you ever do have to go to court to defend your marketing practices, and it comes up, can you tell us how easy is it for somebody to unsubscribe from your services? It’s here’s a, a giant page wide unsubscribe button with animation and clear text alternatives for the for accessibility.

    No, court no judge, no lawyer is going to look at and go well, it’s not really obvious is it? Right, when it’s so obvious it’s it’s hilarious.

    It makes a claim against you seem pretty silly.

    I’ve had people email me and say, I can find me on subscribe button like I’m pretty sure this is just a template email because if you can’t find the unsubscribe button, you probably need to see a doctor, I see an eye doctor or see some kind of doctor because it’s it’s really, really obvious.

    So those would be the reasons why it’s at least in my newsletters, the blatant the unsubscribe ones are so blatant because I want people to know what they’re getting into and how easy it is to get out so that I can improve my reputation in all these algorithms, and provide additional liability protection, good question.

    Really good question.

    If you have follow up questions, please leave them in the comments box below.

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    I’ll talk to you soon.

    Take care


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