Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Author: Christopher S Penn

  • You Ask, I Answer: Preparing for Client Meetings?

    You Ask, I Answer: Preparing for Client Meetings?

    Amber asks, “How do you prepare for client meetings/calls when presenting deliverables? I tend to write down everything that I want to say as my thoughts get murky and I tend to stumble over my words. Is that juvenile? What is the best way to prepare?”

    A few steps make this easier over time. First, if you didn’t do the work yourself, that makes things substantially harder. Second, if you were disconnected from the work, that makes things nearly impossible. If you did the work, if you remember what you did, then you’re at a good starting place. Consider journaling while you’re doing the work, as questions and key insights pop up. Do what works for your learning and teaching style – everyone will be different. And learn the breath trick. Watch the video for more details.

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    In today’s episode, Amber asks, How do you prepare for client meetings or calls when presenting deliverables? I tend to write everything down that I want to say, as my thoughts get murky, and I tend to stumble over my words, is that juvenile? What’s the best way to prepare? There is no best way to prepare that is standard across people, right? It’s based on your learning style on your presenting style, and what works best for you.

    Now, a few things are going to make this easier over time.

    First, if you didn’t do the work yourself, that makes things harder, because you don’t necessarily know what exactly happened as the deliverables being produced.

    This is especially true with data, anything data related, you’ve got at least know the methodology that was used the techniques used to get the deliverable.

    Second, if you were disconnected from the work, that makes things almost impossible.

    Back in the old days, when I worked in the agency world, I would watch executives sometimes really badly stumble over stuff, because they were three or four, even five levels, steps removed in the work, you know, there’s the the executive, and then there was their director.

    And then there was their senior manager, there’s a manager and there was Senior Specialist, and that was a specialist in the specialist one doing all the work.

    And they would show up at these meetings and, you know, throw the deliverable on the table and be like, hey, here we are, and and the client would ask questions, and the executive could not answer them because they were so far removed from the work.

    So if you are doing the work great, if you are managing the work, make sure that you know what is being done.

    So that you have insight into the into how it was built, how it was done, whatever the deliverable is.

    That way, when the client asks questions, you’ll have good answers.

    Whether you’re doing or managing the work, consider journaling while you’re doing the work, taking notes as as questions and key insights pop up, because that will give you really good starting points of talking points when it comes time to present.

    One of the things to think about is, and this is where that higher education stuff comes in handy.

    What, what worked for you back in college or university, when it was time to prepare for an exam? Right? Are you the kind of person this comes? This is a lot of self awareness and knowing yourself, are you the kind of person who can cram for an exam the night before and do well on it? Or are you the kind of person that needs to be very methodical and take notes and build structures throughout the course and you can’t cram for an exam, know that about yourself, there’s no right or wrong about it.

    But it’s knowing that about yourself and the kind of person you are and what you’re learning and teaching approach and needs to be in order for you to succeed.

    I have seen many people try and figure that out for themselves.

    So whatever, whatever works for you.

    So some people, for example, when they’re taking notes, they need a digital app, other people like to do voice recordings, some people like to doodle and sketch, you know, whatever.

    If your employer is not mandating a certain methodology, then do what works best for you.

    That’s it, I would also experiment around a little because your learning style does change as you get older.

    Things that worked for you, in your early days will not work for you as well, in the middle of your career and at the sort of the peak of your career.

    Those things may indeed change again.

    When you’re putting together deliver the deliverable, one of the key things that not enough people do is looking at it from the client perspective, right, the clients going to ask a whole bunch of questions about this deliverable there going to ask what happened, right? This is especially true with reporting, what happened? Why? So what? What are we going to do about it? Those are the key questions that the clients going to ask you.

    As you’re assembling the deliverable.

    Mentally ask yourself these questions from the client perspective.

    Here’s a slide about this.

    So what here’s a campaign results.

    Okay, why did that happen? Well, why that happened? But why did that happen? And asking these kinds of questions and and noting down however you take notes, noting down your mental answers that help you prepare to deliver to the client, these are the things that have happened.

    That way, they feel like you were on top of the work itself, you know, what was going on, you know why those things happened? You were prepared.

    A lot of people do that wrong.

    A lot of people in the agency world haven’t tend to do that, you know, backup a truck for that deliverable on table, here it is.

    And then the clients like this, this isn’t helpful, right? This is this is a bunch of stuff on my desk, and that that’s the last thing in the world I want.

    So be able to put yourself in the clients shoes, and ask those tough questions, those uncomfortable questions.

    And if you are managing the work, and maybe you know, again, agency life, there’s a lot of conflicting priorities.

    Maybe you weren’t as closely connected, be ready with answers if they if the deliverable is probably not going to meet the client satisfaction is your firm prepared to compensate the clients some way.

    And I would suggest this is a very good test for your employer.

    If you did the work, according specification, the clients not happy.

    Who gets the blame, right? If the agency or the firm’s or the culture is such that you poop rolls downhill, and the person lowest on the totem pole gets, gets the blame, I’d be time to change firms, because what’s supposed to happen in good leadership is that the person at the top of the totem pole is the one who accepts the responsibility for for the problem.

    So that’s a fun way to know what kind of culture and finally when it comes to the presentation itself.

    If you know, if you’ve done the prep work, and you know what happened, you know why, you know, what the clients likely to care about.

    And you know what the next steps are? rehearse, just like public speaking, rehearse, have you and have a friend or colleague, rehearse the presentation, one of you be the client, one of you be the presenter and vice versa.

    And ask those tough questions.

    Put yourself in those uncomfortable situations so that you are ready and you’ve had the time for us.

    And it may not be something you can do during work hours.

    So hopefully you have a colleague at the office who is amenable to like a video call after hours.

    If you both care about it enough to want to do well at rehearsal.

    It’s just like public speaking.

    So do your rehearsals.

    Make sure that you feel comfortable or more comfortable with with those deliverables? Oh, the one last thing I would suggest is if you are stumbling over your words.

    Look in your speech patterns for arms and ahhs and ahhs and speech fillers and replace them with the breath.

    Because two things happen.

    One, it helps you settle more.

    And to you actually sound much, much smarter.

    So here’s an example.

    Doing this presentation, and this is thing, right? As opposed to we’re doing this presentation, and there’s this thing, it slows you down, but it changes how your words are received as well.

    So learn that little trick.

    It’s a fun public speaking trick that has multiple benefits.

    So great question important questions a lot to unpack in doing client presentations is a form of public speaking.

    And like all public speaking, know your material and practice your material a lot.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: B2B Marketing For Scientific Industries?

    You Ask, I Answer: B2B Marketing For Scientific Industries?

    Robert asks, “How do I determine what marketing skills need to be my top priority for B2B marketing in fine and specialty chemicals?”

    Assuming that why is taken care of, the questions you likely have are what to do and how to do it. What to do is dictated by the 6Ws in many ways. Who is your audience? What do they need? When do they need it? How do they find information? Where do they go for help? Map out the customer journey as best as you can, from the customer’s perspective (not a marketing operations funnel) and then figure out where the biggest gaps are. Remember STEM: strategy, tactics, execution, and measurement. Figure out where you’re weakest and start there.

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    In today’s episode, Robbert asks, How do I determine I should he has a really long question here.

    Here’s my challenging opportunity.

    I’m not a marketer, but my employer wants me to market our products because I know them all.

    Well, I see a video like yours and my first reaction is Oh, crap, I know very little of this at all.

    Since I am alone marketer for the company, I need to focus on building up my skills in these areas that the greatest ROI of my time and dimes so how do I determine what marketing skills need to be my top priority for b2b marketing and fine and specialty chemicals? That’s a tall ask.

    First, I would actually question why your employer doesn’t have a marketing person, maybe not a, who may not be a subject matter expert in what your company does, but can help you do the marketing because marketing is a very different beasts these days.

    So we’ll table that because the situation is what it is, the questions you likely have are, what to do and how to do it.

    And what to do, given a huge list of potential skills and marketing is dictated by the six W’s in many ways.

    Who’s your audience? What do they need? When do they need it? How do they find their information? Where do they go for help you have an advantage, in that you are a subject matter expert in the industry itself, as a scientist, as somebody who is essentially very much like the buyer, you have a good sense of what the problems are, that the company is trying to solve, and that your customers are trying to solve and and what solutions you have that fit those problems well.

    So answer those questions.

    That’s a good first step, who’s your audience? What do they need? When do they need it? Where do they go for help? How do they find their information, I would assume your why they need this to help do their own businesses.

    And that will help you get a sense of who this customer is in more detail.

    And the next step for you is going to be building out your customer journey as best as you can.

    Digital.

    If e commerce is a part of your business, that’s significant, regular if it is there’s a whole bunch of offline as well.

    With the customer journey, remember that you’re doing it from the customers perspective, not the marketing operations perspective, right.

    And so, that means awareness, consideration evaluation, purchase, ownership loyalty, retention and evangelism.

    So, what does your company offer? What do you do or what is actually very question is what does the customer expect from you at each of those phases? When a customer comes to a company like yours, and wants to know more about specialty chemicals? What kind of awareness do they have? Do they have awareness of a specific reagent type? like are they looking for technical raid peroxide? For example, hydrogen peroxide 34% if they are looking, are they looking for your company by name? Are they looking for something very, very specific? There are certain chemicals that you know only some vendors can have for legal reasons, right? I have to go to sigma Aldrich to buy Nandi natured and hydrazine them all.

    That’s the very few people this is a cell that at least in the big jar.

    So that’s the awareness stage in consideration.

    What is the prime consideration? What is it that a customer makes a decision on? Right? Is it it that they are deciding on? price? on quality on shipping on logistics on customer care? chemicals? Are commodities, right, literally are commodities? And so? Is it just pricing? If so, you need to formulate a marketing strategy around that.

    When it comes to evaluation, how does that work? Right? Are there things in your marketing that slowed down the purchase RFP or vendor of certifications and things like that other things that you that you know, from a buyer’s perspective, are inconvenient, right? How much paperwork do I have to do just to buy what I need? When everyone in their cousin has this expectation from the consumer side that it’s buying going to be as easy as going on Amazon and getting it? Well, it’s a little harder to do that with certain substances.

    And then the purchase process, how do you accelerate the purchase process and make it easier for the customer.

    All those things are marketing operations.

    The last thing I would say is after you’ve mapped out the customer journey as best as you can remember, the core framework of in marketing and business right stem strategy tactics, execution measurement, figure out where you are personally the weakest.

    When you look at all those skills, this is in reference to a recent do something with your marketing video, all those skills are not necessarily necessary for your business, you have to map them to your strategy, your tactics execution measurement, if you don’t know a skill, then obviously that has to be taken out of the tactics section of the choices of what you do.

    So look at what’s left, and say, that’s the tactical part where we’re starting.

    And again, I want to emphasize that if you have great recent relevant experience, as a buyer as the customer, you have a significant advantage over many marketers, because you know what the customers problems are, and you know, what makes for a good or bad customer experience.

    And that can go a long way towards mitigating specific marketing skills, worry about that after you share that.

    But the purchasing experience itself is not a miserable experience.

    We’ve been working on this one is a nine month certification process to go through and just be able to do business with this one company.

    It’s it’s absolutely crazy.

    It should not take nine months in an era when again, you can go on your phone and tap a button and you know, mysteriously within hours, some person in a white band drives up and fling something on your porch.

    Right? That’s the gold standard.

    So map out that customer journey, map out the skills then that you have that map to each stage of the journey, map out the analytics and the metrics of where your company is, in each stage of the journey.

    Where are you losing people.

    And then that is a good map for this is where you need to increase your own skills.

    And this is where you can see the highest impact.

    Now a real fun example, lots of fun, not fun.

    But back in the old days, when I was working at a company, marketing kept getting requests from sales for ever increasingly crazy number of leads for a SAS based product.

    Yeah, 1000 leads a month 2000 leads a month 3000 leads a month like we need 3000 leads this month.

    And I was like what are you doing over there that you need 3000 leads a month.

    And when we dug around and looked at the data, sales was closing at roughly 1% closing rate, right? So if sales could have just gotten from one to 2%, they would have doubled their revenue.

    And instead, they were asking marketing to triple the number of leads it was sending over Well, in this industry, there are only so many eligible customers.

    So it was clearly a case where that is the weakest point in that operations funnel.

    And that is the point where as a marketer, if you have the ability to influence that part of the business, you should because you’re going to waste a lot of time and money fixing the part of the operation that is not the weakest link, you’ve got to find the weakest link and fix that first that more than anything will fix a lot of problems in marketing.

    So good question Robbert.

    If you need some help you know where to find us.

    Because it sounds like you’ve got your hands really, really fault.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Tracking Clicks in a PDF?

    You Ask, I Answer: Tracking Clicks in a PDF?

    Robbie asks, “I’m wondering if you have a solution to go one step further and track hyperlink clicks within the PDF itself? What I’m trying to do is find out which links my email subscribers are clicking on within a PDF, after I email them a link to a hosted version of the PDF.”

    There are a number of ways to do this; the simplest is to use a URL shortener with appropriately UTM-tagged custom URLs in the PDF. As long as those clicks go back to a tracking system you have access to, like Google Analytics, you can easily see what’s happening. Kick it up a notch and use your own URL shortener for everything.

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    In today’s episode, Robbie asks, I’m wondering if you have a solution to go one step further in your Google Analytics, tracking and track hyperlink clicks within a PDF itself.

    What I’m trying to do is find out which links my email subscribers are clicking on within a PDF.

    After I email the link to a hosted version of the PDF, yes, there are a number of ways to do this is a very common thing, it’s a very good thing to do, because you want to know what’s getting clicked on.

    The easiest way, the easiest way to do this is with a URL shortener.

    And appropriately UTM tagged links within the PDF.

    So you would generate a link like Trust insights.ai, right, and you would add your UTM codes source would probably be PDF, right? Medium would be email, because you’re emailing this PDF to people, and then the campaign and content and the keywords would be things that you would set appropriately for that, that PDF, I would suggest that you use the UTM content tag as a way to distinguish like if the same destination is in the PDF, but multiple places, use your UTM content tag to denote those places within the PDF.

    Now, that’s straightforward, right? So you tag the URL with all the tracking tags you want, and then you use a shortener.

    Bitly, for example, would be one shortener.

    And you would put those links in your PDF, and then in your dashboard, you can track them.

    When you do it this way, you will see, as long as they are links to your site, you will see the traffic from that PDF, just by going into Google Analytics and seeing you know, source, medium campaign, etc.

    all that stuff, that’s the most straight for way to accomplish what you’re asking.

    Now, if you want to kick it up a notch, and really who doesn’t want to kick it up a notch these days, if you have the means to do so it will cost you about like five bucks a month.

    You can run your own custom URL shortener, there are services that do it.

    Most of them cost more than five bucks a month, or there’s an open source package called the your URLs that’s iyourls.org.

    And you can download this open source package that runs on your server, you put on either your website server you make, you can build a custom server, I think I host mine where I host mine online owed for five bucks a month, right.

    And in this, you then put all of your custom URLs, in fact, bring up a screenshot of the control panel here.

    What’s nice about this service is that you can see all of the links that I put in here and in my instance, I’m tracking 326,000 links, and 107,000 clicks.

    This is why if you have a lot of stuff to track or you want to track clicks to sites that are not yours, you would want to do something like this, because this allows you to track any click on links that you share anywhere, regardless of whether you own the site or not.

    You can see this is the Trust Insights, news, our news sharing service and the all these links just run and and go out to different services got different places for tracking.

    Now the advantage of this was two advantages one, it’s got a really nice dashboard.

    that lets you see how many clicks any link has gotten.

    And to become because it’s your shortener, you can do more than just last link tracking right you could prepare and link retargeting, that’s what we do a link retargeting where if you click on a link any link, you are enrolled your cookie into a retargeting audience in which I can then show you ads.

    Now if you are really lucky up another notch, you could create links that are tagged by category like these are healthcare links of sharing a b2b links or it links and have different retargeting audiences.

    That’s what we do.

    retargeting audiences based on the links, so that you can then show relevant ads to those audiences.

    Now for just a PDF or a set of PDFs, this is probably overkill, right, you probably want to stick with the first solution in the beginning.

    But if you unless you’re generating a lot of content, or you want to track a lot of links in a PDF, if that’s the case, you may want to look into a solution like this that has all the IT infrastructure in place, so that you can do mass reporting very, very quickly.

    You know, one of the problems with some of the SAS based systems is that the reporting is not great.

    By the by having your own server, you can have total control over the data collection, and the data reporting.

    The other thing I think is important, and this is more if you are an enterprise rather than a small business or midsize business, if you want to be doing this kind of link tracking and link retargeting.

    And you have compliance requirements like GDPR, or CPA, or whatever.

    running your own service on your servers, whether they’re in house on premises or or private cloud allows you to meet compliance guidelines a little more easily because you don’t have to wait for the vendor to certify that, you know, the servers ISO, 2701 compliant, PCI compliant, whatever, you can use this with the help of your IT department, and run those same benefits.

    Get those same benefits of like a commercial link shortener, but be compliant with the regulations that you have to meet.

    especially true if like you dealing with stuff like HIPAA or SPI or PHI.

    You want to make sure that information is not leaking anywhere out.

    So a custom URL shortener may be the way to go for you as well for compliance purposes while still achieving your marketing goals.

    So something to think about something to check with it and legal to see if it’s a good fit for you.

    So lots of different options, choose the option that best matches your regulatory requirements, your technical skills, your budget, and, and the level of complexity of the implementation from simple UTM tagging and an URL shortener, off the shelf URL shortener all the way to a custom built solution for total control over compliance.

    All of them will get the job done reporting on those clicks within a PDF it’s a great question.

    It’s a great idea, something you should definitely be doing.

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  • How Deep Are Your Reserves?

    How deep are your reserves?

    The line between success and failure is sometimes how long you can remain in the game.

    • In competition, how many competitors can you outlast?
    • In general business, how long you can remain profitable?
    • In startups, how long can you make your funding last?
    • In marketing, how fast you can go without burning out?

    To accomplish each of these, we need reserves. Resources. A buffer to fall back on when times get tough. The greater our buffer, the more we can withstand.

    The challenge is that life isn’t constant. Life is constant change. Sometimes there are periods of surplus, other times periods of deficit.

    The greatest resource, and the one we can’t bank at all, is time. We can only spend time. Thus, we must be disciplined to maximize our time as we have it.

    If we can’t bank time, then why the discussion about reserves?

    What we can bank is work. Create as fast as you can when you have the time. Time is literally use it or lose it, so when you have it, use it up to create as much as possible, whether it’s content, ads, writing, budgets, whatever your priority is to produce something of value.

    What if you don’t have time? You have to make it – and that doesn’t mean rearranging your schedule. That means literally making, creating time by taking away time from other things. To accomplish the maximum amount of work in the time we have, we need to automate as much of the time-wasting tasks we have so that we are free to go all in on what we are best at.

    Audit your time and tasks. What do you do that is highly repetitive? Those tasks are the first ones to go on your automation hit list.

    Time is like money in that any amount saved matters, whether it’s a day or a second. Trim as many places as possible, with the technology you have at your disposal, to shave seconds, minutes, or hours wherever you can.

    When you use your time as productively as possible, you build up reserves, and those reserves will be your rainy day fund. Whether it’s a day when you forgot to blog something or a financial crisis that means serious loss of revenue, your reserves are built on time. Start building now by finding time wherever you can to produce as much as possible.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Best Voice Transcription Services?

    You Ask, I Answer: Best Voice Transcription Services?

    Heidi asks, “Which is the best and cheapest way to transcribe an audio file into text? And which tool do you use?”

    The answer to this question depends on your level of skill. For most people in most circumstances, I recommend Otter.ai. That’s the best blend of cost and performance. If you really, really care about performance and you have the technical skill, I recommend building a custom model trained on your voice specifically with IBM Watson or an open-source deep learning network. That’s for a very select group of people, though – most people will be just fine with Otter.ai.

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    In today’s episode, Heidi asks, What is the best and cheapest way to transcribe audio files into text? And which tool do I use? So good question, the answer to this question is going to depend very heavily on your level of skill and your budget.

    Right? For most people, in most circumstances, including myself, I recommend and use otter.ai le pull up on my phone here.

    otter.ai is very, very straightforward.

    Either load an audio file into it or you, you record live.

    So in fact, I’m going to turn on the live recording now.

    And what it’s doing is it’s listening to me.

    And as it listens to me, it is starting to transcribe in in real time or near real time, which is very, very handy.

    I use this a ton on my end, for conference calls, because I will say something like, Oh, yeah, we can get you that report on Tuesday.

    And I’m like later on what what did I say.

    So because the way you can split audio on a desktop computer, you can record only your end of the conversation.

    For if you need to record the entire conversation.

    Remember that you have to be in compliance with your localities or or countries wiretapping laws, because it is technically a form of wiretapping also allows you to take live audio feeds, there’s enough good audio in the room, like if you’re at a conference, and you’re sitting like right in front of the speaker, you can have it running and transcribing and actually, Simon allow one of the head folks there show me you can actually highlight and share the snippet along with the audio back to social media, which is pretty cool.

    pricing on this is terrific pricing is about 10 a month, for I believe it’s 100 hours of recorded audio, which unless you are literally having somebody follow you around all day long, and just record everything that should be more than enough for almost everybody who is attending meetings, going to conferences, and even doing daily videos and podcasts.

    So that’s the best solution that I think for most people in most circumstances.

    Now, there are exceptions, if you really, really, really care about performance, and you have the technical skill to do so you may want to build a custom model that is trained on your voice specifically.

    And you would do something that with something like IBM Watson speech to text you can do with Google Cloud voice, you can do it with Amazon AWS recognition, all these services allow you to build custom train models on your voice, they are actually less expensive.

    In some cases, then auto but they require you to have access sense of knowledge of Python, because that is the language that you write the code in to interface with these services.

    So that’s a case where not many people will have the technical skill, but could take advantage of the customization.

    A really good use case for that would be if you have very complex custom lexicons, and you have a speaking voice that is in some way slightly different or more unusual, in which an off the shelf applications not going to perform as well.

    So if you have, for example, a strong accent, you would probably want to do a custom model.

    Even if you’re speaking English, you’d still want to a custom model, or especially if you speak languages other than like main, mainstream languages, like most of these apps, are released in the American and the UK market, and are tuned on the English language.

    If you are speaking like Pashtun, or Swahili, or salsa, most of these apps are not going to work for you.

    And you would need to go the custom modeling route.

    To work with that, if you don’t fly out, don’t have the money at all, you could build a an open source deep learning neural network on your laptop and use some of the freely available code out there to build that network.

    And that’s, that’s an even greater leap beyond when it comes to the technical skill that you need.

    So most people most circumstances otter.ai, I think it is the best app out there for people, depending on on the market for some folks who have very special needs custom pre trained voice models with IBM or Amazon or Google.

    And then for those folks who have the highest level of technical skill or the zero, like complete zero budget, but you have a laptop that for some strange reason has a GPU that you can use, you would do the open source deep learning neural network, I would say for the most part, stick with the vendors.

    Because one of the things that’s happening right now in the in the natural language recognition space, is that the technology is evolving quickly.

    And again, if this is not your core competency as a business, there’s no reason for you to be building your own and then trying to keep up with the software, I don’t even do that.

    And AI and machine learning is the core of of our business.

    But for the most part, everything off the shelf is really really is good enough.

    I also like the fact that otter allows you to share transcripts.

    So you can it’s it’s performs very similarly to like Google Docs and Google Drive.

    If you’ve done a meeting with somebody, like I did this recently in a in an interview, I said to the interviewer, let’s capture the audio, and then I’ll send you an automated transcript and I could send them the link.

    And it has that sort of dictation style playback, where you can see the little words going across the screen and then replay certain sections.

    And that was super helpful, especially because the interviewer English is not their first language.

    So I have a tendency to speak quickly.

    And we were talking about some fairly complex stuff.

    So they were able to get the transcript to reference for the article.

    So that’s my recommendations for voice transcription services, as of autumn 2019, the landscape is always changing.

    And there are always services to keep an eye out for and try.

    The best way to compare services on the pricing basis is price per recorded minutes to figure out or ask as you deal with vendors, what is your price per recorded minute, because some folks will say like, yeah, you know, for10 a month you get this, but then it’s an extra, you know, four cents a minute.

    And then when you work out your all the math and how many minutes you’re allowed.

    I did this recently, somebody was pitching this thing, I go for podcasts, we got the best transcription service, you know, highest accuracy rates and stuff.

    It’s only, you know, X dollars a month.

    And on the surface, it sounded good.

    I read the Terms of Service, though, and I was like, that is literally 128 times more in terms of cost per recorded minute, then honor.

    And I don’t think they’re transcriptions that much better.

    It’s not hundred 28 times better.

    And I’m certainly not in a situation where I would need that level of accuracy.

    The other thing that really messes people up when they’re comparing transcription services is that if you’re used to a human transcription service, a human is going to edit out and maybe even rephrase and tweak your language machine will never do that.

    If you don’t speak in the same way that you write, any automated service is going to be a disappointment to you and was going to require more editing because you need you’re expecting machine to edit for you and they’re not at that point yet.

    Automated services will take exactly what you give them and spit out almost exactly what what they heard.

    So if you don’t speak as the same way you write, you’re going to do a lot of editing.

    And it’s not comparable to human.

    I personally don’t again, for my use cases, I don’t find that the cost increase going from you know, something like a penny per recorded minute to $1 per recorded minute.

    I don’t see the justification for that for what I do.

    But other people who need to have the more I guess, be spoke transcripts, you may still need a human to do the editing, either as part of the transcription process or afterwards.

    So keep that in mind as well.

    Great question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Media Value of Reddit Posts?

    You Ask, I Answer: Media Value of Reddit Posts?

    Clifton asks, “Does anyone know how to calculate the media value for a post on Reddit?”

    This question leads towards the metric that won’t die: ad value equivalency (or cost equivalence). AVE makes the assumption that if a post performs organically, then its performance should be benchmarked against what you would have paid for the same placement. AVE is bad for many, many reasons:
    – Organic and paid user behaviors are different
    – Organic and paid channels may occupy different parts of the customer journey
    – Cost is not result
    – Much better metrics exist

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    In today’s episode Clifton asks, Does anyone know how to calculate the media value for a post on Reddit? This question leads towards the metric that simply won’t die.

    And that is add value equivalents are cost equivalents.

    Cost equivalence functions have been around for a really long time.

    And in the past, they kind of made sense.

    They were originally intended to be used with newspapers.

    And because newspapers charged advertising by the square inch.

    And so if you had to pay for a square inch of an article, basically as an ad, and you got that square inch for free, you would say that you save that amount of money.

    add value equivalence is not it’s not completely invalid, because there is some there is some opportunity cost, an opportunity cost is a real economic thing, right? If you don’t have to pay for something, you by default save that money.

    But the reason cost equivalence is a bad choice for metrics is because it makes some very broad assumptions about the way customers behave.

    Cost equivalents is based on the assumption that if if a post like on Reddit performs organically put it there organically, then its performance should be benchmarked against what you would have paid for the same placement.

    That might have been true in an era when you only had like one newspaper, right.

    But it’s now completely untrue for a variety of reasons.

    Number one, you know, from your own behavior, that user behaviors are different for unpaid versus paid media, you are probably less likely to engage with a piece of paid media content, except under certain circumstances, right.

    Most of the time, most people engage with organic content.

    So the behaviors are different.

    And you will see this if you do customer journey mapping with actual data, particularly digital customer journey mapping, which is something that I do a ton of, I will very often see the same channel, like Facebook, for example, or Reddit, in very different places in the customer journey, depending on whether it is paid or unpaid.

    Typically, not always.

    But typically, I will see paid be used to drive a lot of awareness, and then organic sort of help nurture and engage.

    Other organizations see opposite behaviors.

    They use organic produce I’ve awareness and paid to retargeting, but either way, the paid and the unpaid are different, right? They occupied different parts of the customer journey, they fulfilled different functions.

    So you cannot do cost equivalents because the behaviors are different.

    The third thing, the third reason why cost equivalents is bad, is because cost is not a result.

    Yes, saving money is a result.

    And if you have absolutely no other metric available to you, you can still use it just to say like we save this amount of money, but it is not a business result.

    Right, it is not a this is what this campaign did for us.

    It’s just this is what we didn’t spend on this, one of the bones I’ve had to pick with public relations professionals in the past is they would say, Well, you know, PR gets you placement that you would otherwise would have had to pay for it, yes, but you still had to do the PR, you still have to pay for it.

    If you’re paying a public relations firm, you know, 10,000 a month you are still spending money, you’re just spending it differently, that’s all.

    But cost is not a result.

    Unless you are only measured on how much money you do or don’t spend.

    If that’s the case, you might want to update your LinkedIn profile, because that’s not a particularly growth minded organization.

    So cost is not a result.

    And the corollary to that is that much better metrics exist.

    Especially if we’re talking about a digital channel like Reddit, like Reddit, there is no other form of Reddit, right? You can’t use Reddit on on your telephone, like old school telephone, not a smartphone, you can’t use read in paper form, there is only the digital channel, which means that there’s a click stream, for the most part that is trackable.

    And that you can see what did red traffic do on your website? Did it convert? Did you get goal completion out of it.

    If your marketing automation, your CRM are well connected, then you should be able to trace trace trace and track that all the way down to read it gave us a customer or didn’t give us a customer or at least a sales opportunity.

    And so you should be using, at the very least goal completions and Google Analytics as a benchmark for how did a post on Reddit to write if you get no goal completions.

    And maybe you want a more advanced analysis to measure brand strength, and you get nothing, then there is no media value of Reddit, right? Just like there is no media value, if nobody clicks on your search result, or nobody engages with your social media posts, and goes to your site and fills out a form.

    So you only use cost equivalence if there is nothing else at all right to measure.

    And if there’s nothing else at all to measure, you have you have much bigger marketing problems.

    The only other situation where costs equivalents is potentially usable, is if you have a non financial outcome to your marketing.

    That means the most common case is a politician, right? A vote is a non financial outcome you to win the election or you don’t.

    But there’s no metric of performance in that there’s no dollar amount to that maybe1 amount if you’re a corrupt politician take bribes later on.

    But that’s another story.

    But fundamentally, it’s a non financial outcome.

    So you may have some cost equivalents there as a proxy, but at the at the end of the day.

    The measure there really is you either want or didn’t win the election.

    Other than that, there is for most businesses in most situations, there are business impact metrics that you should be focusing on instead.

    So can you calculate a media value equivalents and add value equipments for a Reddit post? Yes, should you know absolutely should not instead focus on the results of drives.

    If you have no results because there’s no tracking, make that the first thing you do is figure out how to do the tracking better, so that you can more easily determine the real value of the work that you’re doing.

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  • #MarTechConf East 2019 Recap: Peak CDP, Point Solutions, and Privacy

    MarTech East 2019 Recap: Peak CDP, Point Solutions, and Privacy

    Some thoughts and looks back at the MarTech East 2019 event held by Third Door Media, Scott Brinker, and the MarTech team. Huge thanks to Scott and the Third Door Media team for inviting me to conduct a workshop with my CEO, Katie Robbert, and present on the topic of AI for marketers.

    • Operations is still the major focus
    • Buy still largely the focus rather than build
    • Point solutions for everything
    • Peak CDP
    • Privacy issues loom large – and CDPs aren’t helping
    • AI is still poorly understood but at least more companies are trying
    • I can’t believe we’re still talking about attribution

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    In today’s episode we are recapping the martek East Conference that I had a chance to speak at this week along with CEO Katie, where we did a three hour workshop on attribution.

    And then two days of conference talks.

    So let’s take a look at what the major themes were this year.

    martech has always been and and still is mostly about marketing operations is still the major focus.

    And that’s a great thing, because that’s an area where marketing tends to be very deficient.

    One of the interesting things that was running through attendees minds over certainly was a major topic of both morning’s breakfast was that by versus build is still largely the focus, people are talking about normalizing their martek stack and you know, adding tools and gaps and stuff.

    And it’s astonishing to me that the first impulse of a marketing operations person or chief marketing officer is something’s not working, let’s buy some more stuff.

    That there’s a reason why Scott Brinker is martech loom escape the huge landscape with all those logos 8000 of them.

    There’s a reason why there’s 8000 logos, if that’s the mindset, people are enough, just buy more stuff to see if that fixes the problem.

    It doesn’t.

    But I thought that was interesting in the number of conversations I had with attendees, their instinct is let’s buy more stuff to try and fix the problems.

    Remember, we’re singing breakfast, the second day, listening to this person talk about how they, they felt like their stack was incomplete.

    And they needed some additional lead scoring technologies.

    And they needed some new regularization technologies and something to deal with synchronization.

    And I said, so what do you have in house for your stack? And I said, well, the major components are web analytics from Google Eloqua, salesforce.com, and ERP system.

    And then they listed like 15.

    Other tools, I’m like, you know that the 10 other tools that you have listed, they are duplicative of the some of the capabilities in the core platforms that you already know that I didn’t know that, well.

    I feel like there’s some more juice, you could squeeze out of the things you’re already paying for, before you go buy something new.

    That’s not to say you don’t ever need to buy something new, sometimes you absolutely do.

    And you need a point solution that provides a service or a function that just can’t get anywhere else.

    That’s a great opportunity to look at a point solution.

    But if you’re paying, you know, hundreds or thousands of dollars every month for these major platforms, it’s worth a deep dive into the manual to see what’s in there.

    So that was one of the major takeaways from the second we are at peak CDP customer data platforms.

    These are services that promise to extract and unify all your customer data give you you know, 360 degree view of the customer and all that stuff.

    And everybody in their cousin says they were CDP.

    Now, former data management platforms etc.

    Everybody, even tag management software is now claiming to be a CDP cd PS have a problem.

    And the problem is this they are a bandaid on poor process, governance and poor discipline when it comes to technology.

    If you need a third party piece of software to unify all of your data, it means that you do not have a good handle on your data.

    There are many, many really good database services, data extraction services, etc.

    That can perform the functions of a CDP but allow you to own your data rather than have a third party vendor managing it for you.

    And in a lot of cases, the CDP is it is a band aid because and it’s an expensive band aid.

    Because if you can’t find where all your data is matched up, yes, a piece of software can do that.

    But you should be already doing that you should already have good identifiers, normalized identifiers throughout your data.

    So that’s one aspect of what was interesting.

    The second was that privacy issues are on everyone radar, which is great GDPR still not being followed well by a lot of companies, and then CCP and like 13 of its variants also looming large on people’s minds.

    And I went to the expo hall and talk to about half a dozen CDP vendors and I asked them, How does your product help a marketer deal with these issues? And they said, Well, our our software all has these features that allow you to input the privacy policies of your choice.

    And you know, and then you configure it, and then you set it and then it will obey what you tell it to do.

    So that’s not helpful.

    Because if you are not familiar with the law already, you may miss implement or just not implement privacy features.

    And so the another point of contention with I have with these vendors is you’re not making people’s lives easier by automatically suggesting, hey, this field looks like an identity field, you should anonymize it.

    So that you are in compliance, the law.

    There is a lot of work to be done by a lot of vendors.

    I heard one vendor say, well, we’re GDPR compliant.

    So you’re automatically CCP a compliant, like, Nope, that’s not how that works.

    The laws are different, they are different enough that you do need to merge the different pieces and identify what sort of the strictest highest standards compliance is, that will automatically make you apply for both.

    But you have to merge those features together.

    In order to get to that simple example.

    GDPR is at the individual level, CPA is at the household level.

    And so your default for privacy has to be at the household level, if you want one policy to rule them all.

    Third point, Ai, still poorly understood by a lot of people but more companies are trying I did hear a number of people saying that we’re doing pilot deployments and things like that and seeing some good initial results.

    I saw one person from a pharmaceutical company talking about their data science and AI efforts mostly on conversion rate optimization, they were able to get 30% lift in about six months.

    Once they got all their their data untangled.

    And such that was a great thing.

    I see you glad to see that there’s progress being made there.

    And finally, I can’t believe we’re still talking about attribution.

    Not that it isn’t important because it is but that more companies have not made good progress on building their attribution models.

    Katie and I did a workshop.

    And it was a wide wild mix of people from people who were like, yep, we have a functional multi touch attribution model informed by machine learning to we don’t have anything yet.

    And it’s shocking to me that, you know, really, almost a decade after multi touch attribution models really started hitting the market that we’re still at a point where it’s not commonplace, at least on the digital side, at least on the digital side, right? I totally get merging offline and online is really difficult.

    And you need to have, you do need to have data science and machine learning capabilities.

    But there’s no reason not to be using multi touch attribution, at least on digital in digital marketing, because the data is there.

    The click stream is largely intact, and it will at least point you in the right direction.

    So those are some of the major highlights from our tech East fantastic conference.

    Huge thanks to Scott Brinker, the third door media team for having me come out and do a workshop and speak the if you want to see the session, go to where can I get the slides calm.

    Or just go to the trust insights website and you can watch the entire video from the session.

    But again, huge thanks to those folks and looking forward to to participating in more martech events.

    As always, please leave your questions below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Visualizing Your Marketing Technology Stack?

    You Ask, I Answer: Visualizing Your Marketing Technology Stack?

    Megan asks, “I’ve been tasked with visualizing our entire marketing machine. Like, each piece of software and marketing lever that is utilized for each stage of the customer journey. I’ve got some ideas on how to best do this, but thought perhaps you have some ideas on how to do this dang thang?”

    Welcome to the wonderful world of MarTech, or marketing technology. Visualizing the MarTech Stack is one of the most popular things to do; it’s even got its own awards ceremony. To visualize effectively, learn some of the basic tips in this video.

    • What’s the goal? Is it governance? Operations? Security?
    • Who will be using/consuming it?
    • How will they use it?

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    In today’s episode, Megan asks, I’ve been tasked with visualizing our entire marketing machine like each piece of software and marketing lever that is utilized for each stage of the customer journey.

    I’ve got some ideas on how to best do this, but thought you might have some ideas of how to do this dang thing.

    Welcome to the wonderful world of martech marketing technology, visualizing the martek stack is one of the most popular things do in fact, there’s an entire award ceremony and stuff for martek stack visualization that’s held at the marketing technology conference every spring and fall.

    In fact, I’m about to go to the the Arctic East Conference, as I record this, for martech stacks, visualizing them effectively requires you to do some groundwork in advance of starting.

    So that means you need to collect all the data.

    Who are the vendors? What role do they do? Who are the people? What are the processes? does it start and sound familiar? This is HJ love.

    It’s 1964 framework, people process technology.

    And that’s what a good martek stack is.

    You got to answer three questions before you start the visualization.

    In addition to gathering all the data that’s going to go into it.

    What’s the goal? Is it because think about a marketing technology governance framework or compliance framework? You have things like, is it governance and process documentation? Is that the goal of this thing? Is it marketing operations that needs this visualization? Is it security? Is it compliance and regulatory, that needs it? These martech stacks are very important for things like GDPR, and CCP, a HIPAA and all the regulations that require you to say, here’s how our customers data is being used.

    Is it the is it finance that needs it? So your martech stack is an integral part of the documentation for your marketing technology balance sheet, which is the assets that you have in your corporation.

    And your CFO is going to want to see what you’re spending money on and be what are the assets that come with it.

    For example, if you have a marketing technology stack, and you and lead management as part of that, that list of leads that you have, that is an asset that is a tangible asset that your company has that has monetary value, and your CFO would sure like to have that documented.

    Second question need to ask after what’s the goal of the stack of visualization is who’s going to be using it? Who’s going to be consuming it? Is it a junior level staffer? Is it middle management? Is it executives, that understanding of who’s going to be looking at the visualization, as true of any visualization dictates how much detail you’re going to put into it, and what your creative boundaries are, if you’re handing this say to your auditors, you’re not going to be very creative, you can be very, very detailed.

    And it may not even be a visualization, it may just be a list, because your auditors may say no, we’d rather just have a list that we can copy paste from one compliance document to another.

    And then the third question that you need to get an answer is, how is the user going to use it? So is the CMO just going to put it in a slide in the you know, quarterly board review? If so, you can make it look fancy and stuff, but doesn’t have to be very detailed, it just has to look good as to be aligned to your brand standards.

    On the other hand, if it’s going to be used for things like resource allocation, guess what he had better be having a ton of white space on it so that people can make notes like, here are the people that we’re going to assign to this part, here are the resources, the budgets, the timing, so that’s going to dictate your visualization as well.

    When you look at most marketing technology stacks, at least the ones that are published in the stack is they are documenting, as you mentioned, the stages of the customer journey.

    So you have to figure out which type of customer journey you have and which framework you want to use.

    The one that is sort of the gold standard is by McKinsey and Company, the consulting firm, which is a two part customer journey on the first half is the buyers journey, awareness consideration, evaluation purchase.

    On the second half is the owners journey, which is ownership, retention, loyalty, evangelism.

    And each of these stages has technologies that apply to it, the tech stuff, but there are also people and processes that go with each a really good marketing technology.

    visualization has people process and technology documented at each stage.

    So it’s not just the technologies.

    One of the deficiencies of the martek stack these awards is that they have a tendency to just be collections of logos, that doesn’t tell you anything about how you use the technology, what the technology is used for.

    And that’s at each stage, people process technology, you want to be able explain, here’s the tools that we use for awareness.

    Here’s the processes we use for awareness.

    And here are the people that are responsible for it that really helps build an informed marketing technology stack that you could use for something like operations.

    For example.

    At the end of the documentation process, there’s a very good chance that your visualization is going to be like a poster, right? Because there’s going to be so much information.

    And then you can decide based on that if you want to slim it down if you want to, to either have drill downs, if it’s interactive, or if it’s literally a poster, you then you may want to have smaller versions that omit certain things just have like vendor logos that might be the public versus private one to one of the interesting things from the martial arts is that a lot of the scrolls for martial arts schools, the secret techniques really are just for like footnotes, or Cliff’s notes or shorthand.

    And you don’t get the full details in the documentation.

    The same may be true of your marketing technology diagrams, you may be able to slim down to just a collection of logos.

    And that is something you could share publicly, maybe even in the martek stack these awards, but the people on the processes that gets suppressed so that you’re not giving away any trade secrets like yeah, we use Hootsuite, we use buffer we use sendgrid, we use Salesforce com, that doesn’t really tell anybody anything other than which vendors you’re paying money to.

    As opposed to saying, we take Salesforce com and we integrate it with Google Analytics using Zapier and bind that to our data science facility to do predictive lead scoring, right? That’s, that’s getting into secret sauce territory.

    That’s something you never put on a stack of visualization.

    But you would want to have that in place private version, the detailed version so that somebody who took the diagram for sales, training of new employees would be able to say yes, and here’s how the pieces fit together and why they fit together.

    So those are some guidelines for a stack visualization.

    What’s the goal? Who’s consuming it? How will they use it, gather all the data, all the stuff about people process and technology.

    And that’s what you want at each stage of the customer journey.

    Your first iterations are going to look ugly, they should look, they should be a hot mess.

    And then you can refine it from there.

    I’ll put a link in the notes below to the stack ease award.

    So you can see some very creative visualizations of it.

    But remember that these are the public ones that don’t include people and don’t include processes.

    They really are just collections of vendor logos.

    But if you’re just showing it to the CMO, so they can show it to the board.

    That might be what you what your public light version looks like.

    Great question.

    Fun question.

    There’s a lot you can do with this stuff.

    And that’s a lot of fun.

    How about a lot of fun with it.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: LinkedIn Contact Export Data Details?

    You Ask, I Answer: LinkedIn Contact Export Data Details?

    Keiko asks, “Is it possible to download Linkedin contacts with city or state location? Thank you!”

    Out of the box, the answer is no. You get first name, last name, title, and company, and the connection date, and that’s it from the official LinkedIn export. There are third party options, but they come at massive risk of having your profile banned for violation of the Terms of Service. There is a simple strategy which takes a serious amount of time, but is a valid workaround that obeys the Terms of Service. Watch the video for more details.

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    In today’s episode, Keiko asks, Is it possible to download LinkedIn contacts with city or state location? Thank you out of the box, the answer is no.

    In the official LinkedIn export what you get from your, if you go to your profile settings go to account, go into it manage your data, you can request an export of your LinkedIn connections.

    And what you get in that file is first name, last name, title, company and connection date.

    That’s what’s in the file, you no longer get any form of contact information except for those very, very few people who consent to having their email address listed publicly.

    LinkedIn took that away.

    November 2018, I believe was because way too many marketers were exporting their LinkedIn connections and then just adding every single person on their team to their email list and out that’s a it’s against the terms of service, but be it just irritated a lot of people.

    So that’s no longer available.

    And that would have been the easiest way to do that.

    So there are third party options, there are a number of vendors have created tools that will against the terms of service, scrape LinkedIn profiles, about your first degree connections, and assemble a download with all the relevant information, those tools will likely get you banned.

    Let’s put that out there, those tools will likely get you banned.

    And the reason for that is they they’re against the terms of service.

    They by crawling the LinkedIn website at speed, they are resource drain on LinkedIn.

    And here’s the funny thing.

    Each of them because they’re all paid services.

    They have certain API calls, they have certain things their own that the LinkedIn engineering team has sensibly built tools to identify to ping them.

    And if they’re installed in your browser, you’re in violation, your your profile gets flagged and you get banned from LinkedIn, which is kind of against the point whole point of LinkedIn, you don’t want to get bent.

    So how do you do this? The simple, straightforward, long term play the requires time requires effort requires resources.

    But there’s a valid workaround that obeys the terms of service is this on a regular frequent basis, share content on LinkedIn, that people go to your website, fill out a form, where you can ask them these questions like your city, your state, your country, all that stuff.

    And as long as the content is sufficiently compelling enough, a certain percentage of people will do it.

    So that requires haven’t gotten people actually want.

    And they’re willing to fill out a form for.

    And it requires your time and effort over a long period of time to consistently share this thing to give it away.

    collecting that information.

    So it’s got to be great, it’s got to be free, it’s got to be something that you promote on a regular basis.

    And it has to be valuable to your connections, and you will get a percentage of your connections to convert is no different than any other lead generation program.

    And you can absolutely run ads, to your connections, your company’s connections, all that stuff to promote this thing.

    And you’ll get that data.

    Now the question is, is that data valuable? It can be, especially if on the form you’re collecting email addresses.

    I would also suggest that all of your form pages, well, I would suggest that you create a landing page specifically for LinkedIn, you only use it on LinkedIn, right so that it is likely not guaranteed, but likely that the traffic going to that page is from LinkedIn.

    And I would strongly encourage you to incur to install some ad cooking software on their ad tracking software that allows you to enroll the people who visit that page into a tracking audience.

    I use a company called stack adapt, which you’ll find a link in the show notes below.

    And when you do that, you can further refine your city and state but then you can reach out to those people by who visit that page with ads, retargeting them, and get them to come back or get them to participate in a different offer of some kind.

    Stack adapt is terrific.

    But there are obviously a million different ad services out there.

    I like stacked up because they have a very low minimum for advertising 300 bucks per campaign, which, if you’re creating something of value and is driving your business, you should be able to find 300 bucks.

    Now if it’s like for your personal email newsletter, or something like that, then yeah, it’s a little steep.

    But for a business, you should be able to find 300 bucks, you can’t you have bigger problems.

    So that’s the strategy, create content people want.

    Share it on LinkedIn, get them fill out that form.

    And then enroll them in your ad system so that you can continue to target them, identify them.

    Make sure obviously things like Google Analytics for installed on the page, make sure that you are capturing the first three sections of someone’s IP version four address, you’ll always want to anonymize the last octet because of GDPR and CCP compliance, but those first three digits will give you city state for sure.

    Or by province.

    But yeah, the easiest way, ask people ask people that information.

    with the understanding that obviously, every additional field you put on a form is reduces that that forms conversion rate.

    But if it’s important to you do it that way, I would say if you get the export of that first last title company, then you can do first last match on first last first last email and on the form and then match that to your connections to get title the company slip, someone doesn’t have to fill out the form of that.

    And then get the location data that way as well.

    postal code is probably the easiest thing to capture.

    And then you can reverse engineer that based on you know, zip databases in the US Postal Service in the UK, etc, etc.

    Each of these countries has a database for that sort of thing.

    So that’s the strategy.

    It’s not guaranteed it won’t get 100% of your connections, but it will get the connections that are interested in you and interested in the content that you share.

    The other thing is you need to be creating content have value all the time on LinkedIn over a long period of time so that people trust you, like you engage with with you, and then are likely to engage with that ask so make sure that you spend a year or two doing that first.

    So good question needs to be a lot easier in the old days but as always marketers ruined everything so please leave follow up questions in the comments below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Categorical Prediction Techniques for Google Analytics?

    You Ask, I Answer: Categorical Prediction Techniques for Google Analytics?

    Maggie asks, “Would you use CHAID analysis to discover relationships between multiple categorical predictor variables? For example, using GA dimensions (traffic channel, device type, country, landing page, etc.) and group them according to their likelihood to convert. What else can be used for a similar analysis?”

    Maggie knows her stuff when it comes to statistics. CHAID (Chi-square Automated Interaction Detection) analysis is a great classical method for doing multiple outcome statistics; unlike decision trees, which typically have binary splits in decisions, CHAID can do multiple splits. CHAID is also useful for data that is non-parametric, meaning it isn’t in a normal distribution, which a lot of marketing data is, but as a technique for marketing analysis, it’s more for interpretability than prediction. That said, it has fallen behind more advanced classification and regression trees (especially with random forests) and newer techniques like XGBoost and stacked ensemble methods in tools like IBM Watson Studio AutoAI and H2O AutoML.

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    In today’s episode Maggie asks, would you use chat analysis to discover relationships between multiple categorical predictor variables, for example, using Google Analytics dimensions like traffic channel, device type, country landing page, etc, and group them according to their likelihood to convert What else can be used for a similar analysis.

    So, Maggie knows her stuff when it comes to classical statistics Chad, which stands for chi square, automatic, automated interaction detection analysis is a classical statistics method for doing multiple outcomes statistics is similar to decision trees.

    But what makes it different than decision trees is that at any given point, when you’re trying to split up data, it can have more than one split, where’s decisions, trees are always binary, those split you one part goes this way, one part because this way.

    It’s also the reason why it’s so popular in classical statistics is because it creates a model that is very easy to interpret a human being can look at a trade analysis on paper and go, Okay, I understand what’s going on here.

    Whereas when you look at something like if you have a massive decision tree, it can be very hard to figure out like what exactly we doing this tree is, you know, 200 layers deep and has 40 splits each way.

    And, and it is it is more like a tangled hedge than a tree.

    That said, it has fallen out of favor, the technique has fallen out of favor, really since more computational power became available in the 90s.

    Now it’s available.

    It’s in tools like IBM Watson and IBM, SPSS, it’s available.

    And for those people who know what it is know how to use it, it is still useful.

    And there are times that we’ve talked many times there are times when a classical technique may be better than you know the state of the art because the state of the art may be computationally intensive, harder to interpret and only offer a couple of percentage points improvements.

    Over the over the classical methods, this is especially true and things like time series forecasting, classical methods are still on par with with state of the art for the ability to predict.

    Shade is useful for data that is not in a normal distribution, because it uses Chi squares for it splits, which is important because a lot of marketing is not in a normal distribution, which means it doesn’t look like a bell curve.

    Most marketing data looks like a power law curve, you’re tall head long tail.

    In fact, they’ve been marketing books titled the long tail.

    And as a result, it’s not a normal distribution.

    And so a technique like Chad, or any technique that’s non parametric, is a important for being able to work with marketing data.

    But CHAID is not particularly good at prediction.

    And that’s what a lot of marketers are trying to figure out is not necessarily the relationships between variables, but what variables in combination predicts the outcome we care about.

    So in Google Analytics, you may be looking at, I care about conversions, and I care about goal completions, what are the variables and their interactions that predict a goal completion so that I know I need to spend more money on mobile ad bids, or I need to spend less money on Facebook.

    That’s the kind of information we want and for that, CHAID has fallen behind a classification or and regression trees or cart techniques, especially because the newer techniques, newer because something like a random forest is still only 50 years old, not exactly new, at large scale, random forest are much more powerful for that type of prediction.

    And then even newer techniques that still fall in the family.

    But things like gradient boosting Stochastic gradient descent, extreme gradient boosting.

    And the state of the art for the average machine learning professional who has access to the technology really are strong ensemble methods.

    tools like IBM Watson studios, auto AI, or eight shows auto ml are the best at doing this kind of analysis today, because they can do all the hyper parameter optimization, they can do all the feature engineering or the mall, I should say the feature extraction because they can’t add any net new features.

    But most importantly, they can do all the algorithm testing and selection for us and put together as a stacked ensemble of the best techniques which may include shade at some point in the stack, but then also have all the cart techniques above or below or in parallel to that.

    And that’s what is the best in class today are the stacked ensemble techniques where a machine looks at our data.

    h2o is auto auto ml, for example, does take the categorical predictor variables does one hot encoding turns them into their still category poker numerical and then runs them through gradient boosting GLM GBM.

    It does neural networks.

    And then it says, here’s this combination of methods that work best for this data set without too much overfitting, because it does, you will use specify doing like a 60 2020 split.

    So from a a hardcore data science and machine learning perspective, using these automated methods for classical statistical problems is the best choice today.

    Because they can do you know, 50, or 100, or 200 different tests on the data in order to give you the best combination of variables, deploy a modeling, and then have that model, taking new data from the data source.

    Google Analytics is a great example.

    Once you build a model, you want to have data streaming into it, and then updating and retraining the model and tuning it so that you get accurate predictions about like what is what’s happening with your data.

    If you need to be able to explain step by step, what a model is doing to somebody, chain is still a great choice.

    Because you will incur some performance penalties, you will incur some accuracy, penalties, but you will have a model that you can literally draw on a whiteboard, and somebody can understand it.

    If you need maximum performance, you need to use stacked ensemble methods.

    That’s pretty much the way things go these days.

    Great question.

    Very, very good technical question.

    So if you are new to stats and data science and machine learning, most of this episode is probably like, I don’t know what’s going on here.

    And that’s okay.

    Just know that there are that technique selection is rapidly being handed over to machines because they’re better at it, they can do more variations.

    It’s like fundamentally what we’re talking about if you are baking cookies, a machine will go through and test bake every possible variation of the cookie with all the ingredients and then test bake and every possible temperature your oven and tell you this is the best combination of ingredients and the best combination of oven time and temperature to yield the best cookie you can get.

    And that’s where machines really out shine humans today for any kind of prediction.

    Just that that rabbit tuning.

    So great question Maggie.

    Glad to see that there are folks out there who are working in this realm as well.

    Based on the content of your questions, always always fun.

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