Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: LinkedIn Contact Export Data Details?

    You Ask, I Answer: LinkedIn Contact Export Data Details?

    Keiko asks, “Is it possible to download Linkedin contacts with city or state location? Thank you!”

    Out of the box, the answer is no. You get first name, last name, title, and company, and the connection date, and that’s it from the official LinkedIn export. There are third party options, but they come at massive risk of having your profile banned for violation of the Terms of Service. There is a simple strategy which takes a serious amount of time, but is a valid workaround that obeys the Terms of Service. Watch the video for more details.

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    In today’s episode, Keiko asks, Is it possible to download LinkedIn contacts with city or state location? Thank you out of the box, the answer is no.

    In the official LinkedIn export what you get from your, if you go to your profile settings go to account, go into it manage your data, you can request an export of your LinkedIn connections.

    And what you get in that file is first name, last name, title, company and connection date.

    That’s what’s in the file, you no longer get any form of contact information except for those very, very few people who consent to having their email address listed publicly.

    LinkedIn took that away.

    November 2018, I believe was because way too many marketers were exporting their LinkedIn connections and then just adding every single person on their team to their email list and out that’s a it’s against the terms of service, but be it just irritated a lot of people.

    So that’s no longer available.

    And that would have been the easiest way to do that.

    So there are third party options, there are a number of vendors have created tools that will against the terms of service, scrape LinkedIn profiles, about your first degree connections, and assemble a download with all the relevant information, those tools will likely get you banned.

    Let’s put that out there, those tools will likely get you banned.

    And the reason for that is they they’re against the terms of service.

    They by crawling the LinkedIn website at speed, they are resource drain on LinkedIn.

    And here’s the funny thing.

    Each of them because they’re all paid services.

    They have certain API calls, they have certain things their own that the LinkedIn engineering team has sensibly built tools to identify to ping them.

    And if they’re installed in your browser, you’re in violation, your your profile gets flagged and you get banned from LinkedIn, which is kind of against the point whole point of LinkedIn, you don’t want to get bent.

    So how do you do this? The simple, straightforward, long term play the requires time requires effort requires resources.

    But there’s a valid workaround that obeys the terms of service is this on a regular frequent basis, share content on LinkedIn, that people go to your website, fill out a form, where you can ask them these questions like your city, your state, your country, all that stuff.

    And as long as the content is sufficiently compelling enough, a certain percentage of people will do it.

    So that requires haven’t gotten people actually want.

    And they’re willing to fill out a form for.

    And it requires your time and effort over a long period of time to consistently share this thing to give it away.

    collecting that information.

    So it’s got to be great, it’s got to be free, it’s got to be something that you promote on a regular basis.

    And it has to be valuable to your connections, and you will get a percentage of your connections to convert is no different than any other lead generation program.

    And you can absolutely run ads, to your connections, your company’s connections, all that stuff to promote this thing.

    And you’ll get that data.

    Now the question is, is that data valuable? It can be, especially if on the form you’re collecting email addresses.

    I would also suggest that all of your form pages, well, I would suggest that you create a landing page specifically for LinkedIn, you only use it on LinkedIn, right so that it is likely not guaranteed, but likely that the traffic going to that page is from LinkedIn.

    And I would strongly encourage you to incur to install some ad cooking software on their ad tracking software that allows you to enroll the people who visit that page into a tracking audience.

    I use a company called stack adapt, which you’ll find a link in the show notes below.

    And when you do that, you can further refine your city and state but then you can reach out to those people by who visit that page with ads, retargeting them, and get them to come back or get them to participate in a different offer of some kind.

    Stack adapt is terrific.

    But there are obviously a million different ad services out there.

    I like stacked up because they have a very low minimum for advertising 300 bucks per campaign, which, if you’re creating something of value and is driving your business, you should be able to find 300 bucks.

    Now if it’s like for your personal email newsletter, or something like that, then yeah, it’s a little steep.

    But for a business, you should be able to find 300 bucks, you can’t you have bigger problems.

    So that’s the strategy, create content people want.

    Share it on LinkedIn, get them fill out that form.

    And then enroll them in your ad system so that you can continue to target them, identify them.

    Make sure obviously things like Google Analytics for installed on the page, make sure that you are capturing the first three sections of someone’s IP version four address, you’ll always want to anonymize the last octet because of GDPR and CCP compliance, but those first three digits will give you city state for sure.

    Or by province.

    But yeah, the easiest way, ask people ask people that information.

    with the understanding that obviously, every additional field you put on a form is reduces that that forms conversion rate.

    But if it’s important to you do it that way, I would say if you get the export of that first last title company, then you can do first last match on first last first last email and on the form and then match that to your connections to get title the company slip, someone doesn’t have to fill out the form of that.

    And then get the location data that way as well.

    postal code is probably the easiest thing to capture.

    And then you can reverse engineer that based on you know, zip databases in the US Postal Service in the UK, etc, etc.

    Each of these countries has a database for that sort of thing.

    So that’s the strategy.

    It’s not guaranteed it won’t get 100% of your connections, but it will get the connections that are interested in you and interested in the content that you share.

    The other thing is you need to be creating content have value all the time on LinkedIn over a long period of time so that people trust you, like you engage with with you, and then are likely to engage with that ask so make sure that you spend a year or two doing that first.

    So good question needs to be a lot easier in the old days but as always marketers ruined everything so please leave follow up questions in the comments below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Categorical Prediction Techniques for Google Analytics?

    You Ask, I Answer: Categorical Prediction Techniques for Google Analytics?

    Maggie asks, “Would you use CHAID analysis to discover relationships between multiple categorical predictor variables? For example, using GA dimensions (traffic channel, device type, country, landing page, etc.) and group them according to their likelihood to convert. What else can be used for a similar analysis?”

    Maggie knows her stuff when it comes to statistics. CHAID (Chi-square Automated Interaction Detection) analysis is a great classical method for doing multiple outcome statistics; unlike decision trees, which typically have binary splits in decisions, CHAID can do multiple splits. CHAID is also useful for data that is non-parametric, meaning it isn’t in a normal distribution, which a lot of marketing data is, but as a technique for marketing analysis, it’s more for interpretability than prediction. That said, it has fallen behind more advanced classification and regression trees (especially with random forests) and newer techniques like XGBoost and stacked ensemble methods in tools like IBM Watson Studio AutoAI and H2O AutoML.

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    In today’s episode Maggie asks, would you use chat analysis to discover relationships between multiple categorical predictor variables, for example, using Google Analytics dimensions like traffic channel, device type, country landing page, etc, and group them according to their likelihood to convert What else can be used for a similar analysis.

    So, Maggie knows her stuff when it comes to classical statistics Chad, which stands for chi square, automatic, automated interaction detection analysis is a classical statistics method for doing multiple outcomes statistics is similar to decision trees.

    But what makes it different than decision trees is that at any given point, when you’re trying to split up data, it can have more than one split, where’s decisions, trees are always binary, those split you one part goes this way, one part because this way.

    It’s also the reason why it’s so popular in classical statistics is because it creates a model that is very easy to interpret a human being can look at a trade analysis on paper and go, Okay, I understand what’s going on here.

    Whereas when you look at something like if you have a massive decision tree, it can be very hard to figure out like what exactly we doing this tree is, you know, 200 layers deep and has 40 splits each way.

    And, and it is it is more like a tangled hedge than a tree.

    That said, it has fallen out of favor, the technique has fallen out of favor, really since more computational power became available in the 90s.

    Now it’s available.

    It’s in tools like IBM Watson and IBM, SPSS, it’s available.

    And for those people who know what it is know how to use it, it is still useful.

    And there are times that we’ve talked many times there are times when a classical technique may be better than you know the state of the art because the state of the art may be computationally intensive, harder to interpret and only offer a couple of percentage points improvements.

    Over the over the classical methods, this is especially true and things like time series forecasting, classical methods are still on par with with state of the art for the ability to predict.

    Shade is useful for data that is not in a normal distribution, because it uses Chi squares for it splits, which is important because a lot of marketing is not in a normal distribution, which means it doesn’t look like a bell curve.

    Most marketing data looks like a power law curve, you’re tall head long tail.

    In fact, they’ve been marketing books titled the long tail.

    And as a result, it’s not a normal distribution.

    And so a technique like Chad, or any technique that’s non parametric, is a important for being able to work with marketing data.

    But CHAID is not particularly good at prediction.

    And that’s what a lot of marketers are trying to figure out is not necessarily the relationships between variables, but what variables in combination predicts the outcome we care about.

    So in Google Analytics, you may be looking at, I care about conversions, and I care about goal completions, what are the variables and their interactions that predict a goal completion so that I know I need to spend more money on mobile ad bids, or I need to spend less money on Facebook.

    That’s the kind of information we want and for that, CHAID has fallen behind a classification or and regression trees or cart techniques, especially because the newer techniques, newer because something like a random forest is still only 50 years old, not exactly new, at large scale, random forest are much more powerful for that type of prediction.

    And then even newer techniques that still fall in the family.

    But things like gradient boosting Stochastic gradient descent, extreme gradient boosting.

    And the state of the art for the average machine learning professional who has access to the technology really are strong ensemble methods.

    tools like IBM Watson studios, auto AI, or eight shows auto ml are the best at doing this kind of analysis today, because they can do all the hyper parameter optimization, they can do all the feature engineering or the mall, I should say the feature extraction because they can’t add any net new features.

    But most importantly, they can do all the algorithm testing and selection for us and put together as a stacked ensemble of the best techniques which may include shade at some point in the stack, but then also have all the cart techniques above or below or in parallel to that.

    And that’s what is the best in class today are the stacked ensemble techniques where a machine looks at our data.

    h2o is auto auto ml, for example, does take the categorical predictor variables does one hot encoding turns them into their still category poker numerical and then runs them through gradient boosting GLM GBM.

    It does neural networks.

    And then it says, here’s this combination of methods that work best for this data set without too much overfitting, because it does, you will use specify doing like a 60 2020 split.

    So from a a hardcore data science and machine learning perspective, using these automated methods for classical statistical problems is the best choice today.

    Because they can do you know, 50, or 100, or 200 different tests on the data in order to give you the best combination of variables, deploy a modeling, and then have that model, taking new data from the data source.

    Google Analytics is a great example.

    Once you build a model, you want to have data streaming into it, and then updating and retraining the model and tuning it so that you get accurate predictions about like what is what’s happening with your data.

    If you need to be able to explain step by step, what a model is doing to somebody, chain is still a great choice.

    Because you will incur some performance penalties, you will incur some accuracy, penalties, but you will have a model that you can literally draw on a whiteboard, and somebody can understand it.

    If you need maximum performance, you need to use stacked ensemble methods.

    That’s pretty much the way things go these days.

    Great question.

    Very, very good technical question.

    So if you are new to stats and data science and machine learning, most of this episode is probably like, I don’t know what’s going on here.

    And that’s okay.

    Just know that there are that technique selection is rapidly being handed over to machines because they’re better at it, they can do more variations.

    It’s like fundamentally what we’re talking about if you are baking cookies, a machine will go through and test bake every possible variation of the cookie with all the ingredients and then test bake and every possible temperature your oven and tell you this is the best combination of ingredients and the best combination of oven time and temperature to yield the best cookie you can get.

    And that’s where machines really out shine humans today for any kind of prediction.

    Just that that rabbit tuning.

    So great question Maggie.

    Glad to see that there are folks out there who are working in this realm as well.

    Based on the content of your questions, always always fun.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Conversion Rate Optimization Strategies?

    You Ask, I Answer: Conversion Rate Optimization Strategies?

    Akshat asks, “Can you recommend your go-to strategy for conversion rate optimization that can give results in short-time?”

    Conversion rate optimization is all about knowing what converts. What converts comes from Bob Stone’s 1968 direct marketing framework: list, offer, creative. Today, machine learning and AI can help us streamline the CRO process, especially on the list side when it comes to sources. Watch the video for full details.

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    In today’s episode, och shot asks, Can you recommend your go to strategies for conversion rate optimization that can get results in a short time? Well, I like I dislike questions like this because the intent of the question is looking for a shortcut.

    As with all things, there are, after a certain point, there are no shortcuts to take.

    But there are some things we can think about that will help us accelerate our processes, make us more efficient and make us more effective.

    So let’s talk about those.

    conversion rate optimization is all about knowing what converts, right.

    What converts, really comes from Bob stones 1968 direct marketing framework, he posited way back in the day, that direct mail because obviously paper mail was all about three things lyst offer creative have the right list, have the right offer have the right creative and Bob’s framework, he emphasized that too many direct marketers were spending so much time on the creative, but really, it was right lyst right offer before you start meddling with creative.

    If you have the wrong list of people, meaning people who are not qualified buyers for your direct mail, you will get terrible results no matter what you do.

    Likewise, if it’s the right, or if it’s the wrong offer, the right people with the wrong offer, they’re not going to buy it.

    But then, back then, and today, people spend a whole bunch of time on the creative, the graphics, the fonts, the colors, this that the other thing and it’s not as impactful.

    And we see this all the time with digital, especially with website optimization, people install great tools, like Google Optimize is a great tool, who because it’s free.

    And people spend so much time you know, testing LIKE BUTTON colors and things like that.

    If you’ve got the wrong list, in this case, your audience got the wrong audience, then nothing else matters, right? You’ve got to have the right audience of people that you want to be in front of you got to have the right offer, what is the thing that the audience desperately wants to buy? And then yes, use website optimization software to test the creative.

    The good news is today, machine learning.

    And artificial intelligence can help us streamline that conversion rate optimization process, especially on the list side.

    When it comes to sources.

    If you look in, for example, Google Analytics, you will see a source and a medium for every visitor that comes to your website.

    For the most part.

    Inside that source medium, that’s a a really good starting point for who is on your list, meaning where you getting your traffic from.

    using machine learning techniques like Markov chain modeling or Shapley game theory, you can construct a model that shows these are the sequences that people come to us from.

    And knowing that you can learn what your most valuable sources are, where’s the source of your list based on the conversions that you have set up in Google Analytics.

    Now, once you do something like that, once you set up something like that, then you are in a great position to begin optimizing your list.

    If for example, 40% of your conversions come from organic search, well, then guess what, of course, you’d better improve your SEO, right? I was working on a customer mapping yesterday, and 18% of the conversions came from a paid search 14% came from organic search, and it was a clear opportunity to save them look, improve your organic SEO, and you don’t need to spend as much you’ll still need to spend but you don’t need to spend as much on paid search.

    So that’s one example of being able to use machine learning to tune these things up.

    Same with offers.

    What is an offer? It is the thing that you’re pitching to the the audience that you want them to buy? How do you know what they want to buy? use techniques like topic modeling on social media content, survey data, use predictive analytics to do what I call content forecasting, to figure out what and when people are going to be most interested in the problem that you solve for them.

    Right.

    So let’s say people are searching for espresso shop near me, right? When and the next 15, two weeks, and people are going to search for that the most use predictive analytics to forecast that and that’s when you time your offers for no, try this espresso shop.

    conversion rate optimization very often ignores time.

    Very, very often the people who are doing CIO sort of treat the audience as a monolithic constructs that does not change.

    When we all know there’s tremendous seasonality in in what’s what people do, right, you search for iced coffee, unless you’re a New Englander.

    Only during the warm months, we were here, we’re weird.

    In New England, we drink iced coffee all year round, like 20 feet of snow outside when we’re tunneling our way through the snow to get to a coffee shop.

    But these tools, content forecasting tools can help us streamline that part of the car process.

    And finally, of course, is the creative side.

    And that’s where well established tools like Google Optimize can play an important role in helping us test and improve our creative, but do not start with the creative.

    All of the three aspects and stones framework is the least important.

    And it is where you will get incremental percentage performance increases.

    But not like life changing, life changing is all about getting that right list of people getting in front of them, and then rolling out your offers that matter to them.

    So that’s that’s how you do this.

    conversion rate optimization is all about tuning the numbers.

    I know, technology is better for tuning the numbers, then machine learning.

    So make sure that if you’re not already you’re using machine learning techniques and technologies to do your conversion rate optimization to do that audience analysis to do that driver analysis or what drives people to be a part of your audience and are you getting them to the right places to do that? offer tuning and then of course to do what you put out for creative so that’s the that’s my go to strategy for CRO it’s one of many is not the right answer, but is one of many.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: SEO Trends for 2020?

    You Ask, I Answer: SEO Trends for 2020?

    Shane asks, “Which SEO trend helped you dominate search results and generate more revenue?”

    Unsurprisingly, the advanced usage of machine learning and AI technologies have helped us grow significantly over the last couple of years. Content forecasting with predictive analytics has been a slam dunk, identifying what’s likely to trend and when.

    However, all that is nothing compared to what’s coming. SEO practitioners who want to continue winning need to understand what companies like Microsoft Bing and Google are working on now, and master the technologies as they appear in-market. Three areas to pay attention to: improved multilingual NLP, question answering, and massive pre-trained models with sentence-level encoding.

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    In today’s episode Shane asks which SEO trend helped you dominate search results in generate more revenue? Well, unsurprisingly, the advanced use of machine learning and artificial intelligence technologies have helped us grow our own company and our clients businesses significantly over the last couple years, really, in the last year or so.

    We’ve done SEO, research and analysis and trend identification for a number of different companies in all sorts of crazy industries.

    And probably the biggest thing that has been helpful in that has been what we call content forecasting.

    Using predictive analytics, it’s it’s been a slam dunk.

    So you take known search trends, because we have the data forward in the past for keywords for phrases, ideas, topics, and then identify forecast forward and identify when the search volume likely to increase for those terms in the future on a week by week basis, when you do that.

    You time, your SEO efforts, not only with what people are interested in, but also when they are interested in it.

    And that is incredibly valuable.

    Because you time your SEO efforts to make sure you’ve got content in market and indexed in advance of when the algorithms need it to be able to show it.

    You time it with your social content, you time with email, you time with your paper, your paid per click sem.

    Whatever you use for planning, this technology helps inform.

    Now, that said since this is a question about SEO trends for 2020, that’s what was that was the past.

    And it’s still good, it’s still important.

    But what’s coming is going to require SEO practitioners who want to continue winning, to really kick it up to that next level notch.

    You need to understand and be reading and researching alongside what the big companies are doing Microsoft.

    And they’re being service Google, of course, other major search engines, Baidu, and see what technologies they are publicly saying they’re working on, which means that they’ve already got it some version of working internally, and we just have to catch up.

    There are three areas of technology to pay attention to.

    Number one is improvements in multilingual natural language processing.

    There is a strong bias in natural language processing, towards the English language, even though English is not the language that the majority of the world’s population does things like searching, right, you have a billion and a half Chinese people.

    You have a billion and change Indian people who speak Hindi or do in various dialects.

    You have all these other languages in the world.

    But search engines in the past have not been real good about improving their technologies to cover multiple languages as well as they do English because again, so many of the technology companies are based in America, and there is a definite bias towards the English language.

    But we are seeing massive changes.

    on that front, we’ve had really happen for a couple of years now.

    These massively pre trained models that companies are releasing like Google’s Bert, and opening eyes GPTG.

    And many of these other ones are starting to really, really do incredible stuff at the multiple language layer, particularly.

    Google’s birth, having pre trained models in different languages is a huge step forward for any region where English is not the dominant language.

    If you’re an SEO practitioner, and you care about or want to do business, in markets, where English is not the dominant language, you have a unique opportunity to leap forward, if you can also use these models to predict and forecast the types of content that you need to create in order to take advantage of a local market.

    So that’s number one.

    Number two, Google released some research earlier this year on question answering, and the ability for a, an algorithm and AI algorithm to naively interpret a question and and provide a solid answer.

    And that usually means it was not specifically trained for just that task.

    It’s just given a bunch of questions, and it has to go and find matches have answers to those questions.

    Now, what does that mean for SEO? Well, obviously, it means that Google is looking at answering questions in their entirety.

    Where do we see this? Of course, we see this with things like Google Assistant on Google Home and stuff like that.

    When you say, okay, Google, you don’t say an seo keyword phrase, you say, okay, Google, when is the barber shop down the street open? Right, that is a full language construct, as opposed to barber shop hours near me.

    Right? You don’t say that when you talk to a smart assistant smart assistance, I’ve taken over a huge chunk of the search market.

    So because we know that question answering is a big deal, if you are not doing your research on question answering and building language that can answer questions and having it be indexed.

    Incredible, you’re missing an opportunity.

    You can double dip on this stuff, right? You can build a page or a series of pages, the answer the question and its entirety, plus variations, plus the keywords.

    You just have to do that at scale.

    Because now instead of trying to predict, you know, barber shop hours near me, you have to forecast and predict and understand the language that people are going to use to ask about the barber shop near stem.

    So you has an SEO practitioner have to dig in super, super detailed, and use machine learning to create rational question constructs that you then have to provide answers for.

    I would not be surprised if one or more SEO vendors comes up with a system that programmatically does this for you.

    Keep an eye on the big players, right? I use our refs, there’s sem rush spy foo Mas, bright edge all these major companies should be offering these these technologies they already offer like basic questions, stuff, but pay, pay more attention to the questions features in each of these tools and start using them to create content at scale.

    And the third thing is our master pre trained models, especially those that are looking at sentence level encoding.

    Like, oh, Is that me? It’s a bunch of technology words.

    sentence level and coding is a part of natural language processing that deals with the entities of language, I go back to what we’re talking about the difference between the question and the difference between a keyword.

    He words are not how we speak.

    We as humans speak in sentences.

    For the most part, there are some politicians who can’t seem to put four words together, but there we speak in sentences.

    And up until now, a lot of natural language processing software really has done a focus on words, which they call total guns, or combinations of words called n grams.

    And now we’re looking really at sentences and paragraphs and larger language constructs as these tools gain more attention to type of network or awareness of the context in which these phrases exist.

    And so you as an SEO practitioner need to be skilling up on your technology to be looking at tools that can deal with sentences and paragraphs as opposed to words and phrases.

    So that’s what’s coming in 2020.

    That’s what’s happening now that you need to be catching up for in 2020.

    If you want to be the most advanced, the most impactful, the highest revenue generating and most result dominating SEO practitioner.

    That’s what you’re going to need to be working on between now and 2020.

    So you got you got some time.

    It’s September as I record, this gets filled up, get trained up, learn this stuff or work with a partner.

    Shameless plug.

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  • Content Marketing World 2019 Recap

    Content Marketing World 2019 Recap

    A few core themes stuck out from this year’s Content Marketing World:
    – Social as we knew it is toast. Treat social as an ad channel.
    – Content without strategy is noise. No surprise there.
    – SEO has retaken center stage in importance to content marketers.
    – Analytics and effective use of data still elude most marketers.

    And my thoughts on what influencer marketing is about to become. Watch the video!

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    In today’s episode of recapping content marketing world 2019, there were a number of very common themes, as we talked about in previous episodes, throughout the event this year.

    The basics, things like content that’s worth reading content that’s worth enjoying content that’s audience centric.

    Those have been ongoing themes for content marketing for years now.

    And the the fact that they are still themes means that people aren’t doing them, no surprise there.

    So that’s one.

    A big theme that was in many of the keynotes, and listening to many of the speakers is that social media as we knew it, is toast, the idea of just post it and they will come.

    And the other to get something for nothing is toast.

    From a strategy perspective, you should be treating social media as an advertising channel, just like you tweet, Google ads as an advertising channel, or YouTube ads, or whatever.

    If you want to play you must pay on social media, you don’t necessarily pay a lot, but something for nothing is over on that front.

    And your strategy should reflect that.

    Search Engine Optimization, organic search engine optimization has really taken center stage in part because the the free lunch of social media has has largely come to an end.

    And so many of the sessions, a lot of the content, a lot of the focus at content marketing world was really about creating content that is fundable.

    What’s changed for a lot of folks is that because people took their eye off the ball on search for a number of years and focus on social media, much of their search knowledge is out of date.

    Things like individual keywords are not the thing anymore.

    I know in my own work, we’ve been spending a lot of time with machine learning using natural language processing to try and better understand how the search engines and their machine learning and artificial intelligence create rankings.

    And so for many SEO practitioners who are a little rusty a little dusty, it is time to re skill up on what modern SEO is now.

    And modern SEO means extensive use of data, and extensive use of machine learning and AI.

    You can’t do SEO today without it.

    Now, the good news is for many marketers who are just jumping in or jumping back in many of the tools that are on the market now are beginning to incorporate machine learning into their own processing.

    And so you won’t have have to necessarily do a lot of the heavy lifting on your own just have to find a reputable SEO tool.

    I use our reps.

    Number of other folks use things like Ma’s or sem rush, or spy food, take your pick based on on your budget and your and your specific requirements.

    But those are the major vendors that are well known and, and respected for what they do with development.

    And again, as we’ve seen many, many years at many, many events, analytics and effective use of data still elude most marketers, marketing departments and companies, there’s just not enough used of the data.

    And I think that’s going to be a perpetual battle.

    because of two reasons one, churn as new employees come in, they don’t have the institutional knowledge and most companies don’t have effective training.

    And to as you can imagine, a marketer’s knowledge and then the field analytics, the field of analytics is advancing this fast and marketers, even those who have good professional development advancing this fast and so the two when you put them together, the data side of things is just accelerating so much faster.

    So there’s there’s that those are the major four themes at content marketing world and in chatting with a couple of folks on the influencer marketing side listening to what they’re doing with influencer marketing, I thought was very interesting on influencer marketing is that it is going to be much less about loud mouth because again, social media is organic reach is increasingly declining, doesn’t kind of oxymoron.

    And curated communities are very much on the rise, whether it’s slack groups, Facebook groups, for those folks who were foolish enough to build on Facebook’s land, email lists and email newsletters.

    Those folks who have the asset of reliably reachable audiences will be taking the influencer crown because they are the folks who can still get an audience to do something.

    When you if you have a million friends or followers, whatever on Instagram, but only 1% see your posts.

    That 1 million number doesn’t do much for a brand.

    If no one ever sees the content.

    But if you have a million people on your email newsletter, a your email marketing goals are really high.

    But be you have much more reliable reach.

    And it doesn’t have to be email can be a text messaging list of people’s mobile phone numbers.

    If you have permission to text them.

    It can be a private chat group, slack discord, any of these newer digital communities.

    That’s where reliable reaches going to come into play.

    So one of the things to think about in your marketing is how much reliable reach do you have? How much reliable reach do your influencers have? Can you measure it? Are you tagging things correctly, to give credit to the influencers and collaborators you’re working with? And if you’re not, now would be the time to start because that is as far as I can tell the way the wind is blowing.

    The free lunches are over.

    You need to build your own first party communities and you need to build relationships with people who have reliable reach.

    So some some final wrap up thoughts there from content marketing world overall, terrific event.

    Special thanks go out to Robert rose and Andrew Eric and Stephanie stall and Cathy Mike Phillips and the entire CM World Team for having me it was a fantastic fun, enjoyed sharing my thoughts on artificial intelligence and the way things are going and look forward to coming back again next year.

    And sharing what’s new in a who knows what it’s going to be.

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  • Content Marketing World #CMWorld Day 2 Recap

    Content Marketing World Day 2 Recap

    In today’s recap, we look at the top presentations and noteworthy themes throughout CMWorld Day 2. What resonated? What were the main takeaways? Watch the video for full details.

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    In today’s episode round, recapping yesterday day to a content marketing world, tons tons of really fun, entertaining content, useful content, we started the day with Robert rose, doing a recap of content marketing where it stands now, fundamentally, a whole bunch of people are still doing content without a strategy, a whole bunch of people are not measuring content effectively.

    And the impact on surprisingly, is that content at ROI are are difficult to connect together.

    And they don’t have to be.

    I know from my own experience, just getting good at Google Analytics will fix a lot of those problems for you.

    But you just have to be good at it and become good at it.

    Second, really good talk was by Joe glitzy recapping his seven laws of content marketing, and probably the ones I thought were really the most impactful were selling your your content, marketing, or any of your marketing internally, doing as much internally as you can, as well as externally.

    Joe talked about making sure that people understand what the value of the content is, and what the role is.

    After that, Tamsin Webster took the stage for how to get to the green light, how to get people to approve your ideas.

    And the fundamental talk is really good.

    The fundamental tenet was, people will not do things, if it oppose their own sincerely held belief that they are good, capable, smart people.

    And a lot of her she came out with a very strong message for marketers who market nothing but you know, making people feel bad.

    making people feel uncomfortable in that pain, such as the pain, the pain is short term action, you can make somebody feel pain, but it only incites the short term action, as opposed to getting somebody to change and stay change.

    They have to feel good about themselves.

    And so there’s a lot of nuance to how you sell.

    But fundamentally, you have to not oppose somebody’s beliefs in themselves.

    And there’s a lot of marketing out there, which is condescending, egotistical self centered on the marketer, or the company that violates that.

    And then the marketers wonder why they’re not selling anything else, because you’re not fundamentally making people feel better about themselves.

    And if you can get that over that internally, and change your messaging, you’ll do much better.

    That was a fun talk.

    After that, spend some time with our friend and trust insights board member full disclosure, Ginny Dietrich, who talked about the ways that agencies need to change their content marketing in Jenny’s session.

    The main thing the main emphasis was not trying to do as all the content marketing, but trying to develop a strong, focused video content marketing that powers your sales funnel.

    And working on what it takes to wouldn’t bet piece of content needs to be very, very useful.

    After Ginny’s session, enjoyed liotta and session on your content marketing, fitness, getting your great content marketing Beachbody.

    The big thing from last session was there wasn’t anything in there that was like oh my God, we didn’t know that.

    It was all stuff that everybody knows.

    And nobody does just like fitness.

    Right? I was one of his main points, you know what fitness looks like, you know how to get to a state of fitness and health, eat less, exercise more, eat less bad ground, right? We don’t do it.

    We just know it.

    And his point in this session was, you know what to do with content marketing.

    But that doesn’t mean you’re doing it.

    So make sure that you are spending time and effort and energy on doing the things you know, will lead to content marketing fitness.

    After that was an hand session, which I think was probably the most entertaining of the day.

    But also useful in a lot of the basics of what your marketing should be about.

    Your marketing should be relatable.

    She had, was it time, times truth equals connection, because you need to to build the relationship time times affinity, which is your likability and reliability and making sure that you’re doing all three? Because that’s how you get to the business relationship you want with people answered a really fun thing.

    Can I have your attention? is the equivalent saying Can I have your trust me, I have your trust, even for a moment.

    And it is that trust, that then allows you to market actively to somebody, but you have to earn it.

    And it takes time.

    And it takes that reliability.

    And it takes creating stuff that is truthful.

    There was a lot of emphasis across the board on many of the speakers on those basics.

    Create material that is truthful, that is relatable, that is useful and entertaining.

    And I think it’s interesting that it shows you the level of maturity of the content marketing space, that there really wasn’t anything like, oh, my goodness, I’ve never seen this before.

    But you’re still doing it.

    We as marketers are still not doing content marketing.

    Well, at this point, content marketing is decades old, has profession.

    People have been creating content for the purpose of marketing and selling really, at scale.

    For seven decades, maybe eight decades, ever since mass media, radio and television became available.

    Then even in the digital marketing space, which is really where I think content marketing world spends most of its time as it should.

    The fact that we’re rehashing the same lessons over and over again says two things.

    One, the space is mature, which is good.

    Because that means there are proven practices you can use to get up to speed quickly and to there’s a revolving door problem.

    We’ve seen this in social media as well, I’d say this after every Social Media Marketing World, the fact that we spent so much time on the basics all the time, and that we have to keep reaching the basics really shows the negative impact of the revolving door in companies.

    Anytime somebody gets to a role in their company, where they have achieved some level of success, they get promoted and moved on.

    And then you have some new person and the new, there’s nothing wrong with being a new person, we’re all new, the new person at one time.

    But that new person does not inherit any of the training any of the knowledge, any of the experience of the person, they just replaced them.

    There’s they’re starting from scratch again.

    And when they do, then they come to content marketing world.

    They say, Here I am, please teach me the basics.

    And we do.

    And that’s good, they get value out of it.

    They understand the value of it.

    But it means that the profession as a whole is not advancing.

    If you’re never doing anything more than the basics you’re not researching and training and innovating and inventing the profession as a whole does not advance as quickly as it could or should.

    So one of the things that we have to think about marketers and as marketing professionals is what comes next for ourselves.

    What does that leap from basic to intermediate to advanced look like and who are the practitioners who need and want to pursue advanced where, how do we get those folks in a room? while continuing to teach the basics.

    Let’s continue to teach the basics.

    But how do we get the advanced stuff in the room so that we can continue to grow the profession and innovate.

    So some things to think about heading into day three today.

    I’ll be speaking twice due to some speaker cancellation.

    So looking forward to that and we’ll see you there if you’re around.

    If not catch up tomorrow.

    On the recap of today.

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  • Content Marketing World Day 1 Recap

    Content Marketing World Day 1 Recap

    A recap of day 1, workshop day, at Content Marketing World and a few takeaways from the AI workshop I led.

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    Each day to content marketing, and some reflections on yesterday’s workshop on artificial intelligence, one of the questions that came up a lot in the workshop was where do we get this technology? Where do we get this? The use of AI and some of the techniques demonstrated? And the answer is always two parts, right? So either build or buy.

    But buying a lot of the specific techniques that work the best is very difficult these days, because of the nature of computational costs.

    Most AI is being worked into into software, which makes sense.

    But the catch is, software provider, desperately SAS software providers have computational requirements they have to meet, they have to their apps have to be fast, we’ve gotten so comfortable, as a society with instant everything that the idea of pushing a button and waiting for a result, five or 10, or 15 minutes is uncomfortable it it’s offensive to some people.

    And so what happens then, is that SAS providers, use the cheapest algorithms possible to make their applications faster, which is fine from a user experience perspective, but from a data integrity, and best result, perspective is not so good.

    So in many cases, if you want to be able to use the cutting edge, and to get the best quality, you do have to either build it yourself or, or work with a service provider that sets that expectation that Yeah, you’re going to give us the data and you’ll get an answer, but not right now.

    Like, not quickly, in my own work with with customers are trusted insights that they understand up front, you give us the pile of data and will process and we’ll get back to you with the results.

    But it’s not.

    We don’t have an app, we don’t have software that’s meant for the end user specifically, because there’s so many limitations on the compute computational costs to make it work well, that is, it’s better for the customer, to just hand over the data and then come back later and do something else in the meantime.

    And then for those folks who are going to use this technology for their core competency, you, you must build it, you must vote because it’s going to be part of your secret sauce, it’s going to be part of how you do this business, and how you market to the customer better, or make better product for the customer.

    And that’s something you don’t want a vendor to own.

    Right, you want that to be in house.

    The other thing that was interesting was that the workshop was originally intended to be an advanced workshop, where people would come in and walk away with a functional piece of code.

    We’re going to use IBM Watson studio for that.

    But a lot of folks had no coding experience.

    And so we had to table that idea until maybe a few years down the road when folks have got some experience with these technologies.

    You don’t need to know how to code.

    But it sure does help.

    It’s like you need to learn how to cook.

    You can eat takeout at restaurants all the time, and pre packaged foods.

    But if you want to know how the food is actually made, you need to know how to cook.

    If you want to be sure about the ingredients of food, you need to know how to cook.

    If you are concerned about portion size, or calories, or sodium or allergens, you need to learn how to cook.

    And the same thing is true in machine learning and artificial intelligence.

    If you’re okay with a vendor just doing it all for you, and you don’t know how they got their results.

    Use that.

    If you have regulatory requirements that necessitate that you be able to explain to an auditor, here’s how this works.

    Or have a service provider that can provide the code to the auditors and here’s how this works.

    You need to build it, or you need to have interpreted code.

    One of the interesting phenomena right now, in machine learning is interpreter ability versus explain ability.

    Explain ability is where you tell an auditor, for example.

    What happened after the code has been written, here’s what it did interpret ability is let’s step through the code and show you each individual piece of what it does.

    interpreter ability is how you can very easily find things like bias, explain ability is much harder to do explain ability is is computationally cheaper, and faster.

    So when you see a lot of companies, especially big tech companies saying explain ability is our goal with AI means that they’re not willing to take the performance penalty for interpret ability.

    And so there are some compliance issues with that as well.

    So things to think about.

    Overall, the workshop was fantastic, had a lot of fun with folks explaining how things work.

    And at the end of it, I think I hope that people got some value out of it, and can now speak to their organizations about ways they could be or should be using artificial intelligence within their marketing processes.

    There’s still a long road to go for a lot of companies, they’re still stuck in that data fundamental stage.

    And that’s going to be the case for a long time.

    One of the points I made was that journey to AI is not overnight.

    It’s not.

    It’s like you don’t earn top, SEO rank or night, it takes a long time to get there.

    The same is true of doing AI Well, you have to take a lot of time and accomplish all the prerequisites in order to be able to do it well.

    So be patient.

    If you’re on the journey, be 30 because the more thorough you are, the better the outcome will be.

    And and learn as much as you can about how the individual pieces are changing and the journey as you embark on.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Top Management Lessons Learned?

    You Ask, I Answer: Top Management Lessons Learned?

    Mads asks, “What do you feel is the number 1 most important management lesson that you have learned?”

    Believe the data, doubly so if you pulled it yourself. This requires massive amounts of self-awareness and getting comfortable being uncomfortable, especially with change, especially when the data tells you something that opposes your emotional investments. Watch the video to learn more.

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    In today’s episode Mads asks, What do you feel is the number one most important management lesson you’ve learned? To be totally on brand, believe the data doubly so if you are the one who pulled it yourself, one of the most interesting phenomenon, I saw this in the Pricewaterhouse CEO survey, I’ve seen this in the CMO survey is people don’t believe the data, they have a very set opinion about the way things should be the way that they want things to be the way things that are, are aligned to their view of the world.

    And it’s not the case, an awful lot of the time, it is not the case.

    I was having dinner with a colleague the other day, who works in the paper industry.

    And this person was saying their company wishes It was 1950.

    Again, there was no internet, there was no digital, no smartphone to take away their business because they make paper goods like notebook paper and stuff.

    And they’re like, yeah, that the management really wishes It was 1950.

    Again, stop.

    And the data clearly says that people wanting certain types of very old fashioned products, that audience is declining, there’s new ways, and new things that the customers want that you have to be able to deliver on in many, many clients.

    In my work, I have seen clients who are very clear, they they want to believe a certain thing, this is the most important marketing channel.

    When you look at their attribution analysis.

    It’s not I had one client who was like, I’m Facebook, I’m all in on facebook, facebook, facebook, facebook, go to Facebook ads, Facebook groups, I’m all in it’s it’s the place.

    We looked at their data.

    It wasn’t the place organic search was the place for that particular customer.

    But it didn’t align with the way they wanted the world to be.

    And so they made some questionable choices that caused them some some Distress.

    So the number one most important management lesson is believed the data, believe the data, especially if you’ve pulled it yourself, and that requires a tremendous amount of self awareness.

    It requires a tremendous amount of self honesty.

    It requires you to be and be comfortable being uncomfortable.

    I talked about this in a recent in newsletter and in a previous episode of do something with your marketing, you have to be comfortable being uncomfortable, you have to be comfortable with answers you’re not going to like and this is true even of people management.

    Have you ever had an employee that you really liked this person as a person, but their performance wasn’t great.

    Again, believe the data Yes, this person may be a fun person to have around, they may be good for Team spirit or morale.

    But when it comes to productivity, when it comes to getting the work done, when it comes to keeping customers happy, I didn’t get the job done.

    That is another case where you have to believe the data, you have to believe what you are measuring.

    And even though emotionally you may be invested in that person, for the good of your business, the good of your own career advancement, because you have to do liver performance.

    As a manager, you may have to let that person go.

    So there’s no part of management where believing the data and believing in the truth is exempt.

    We may joke a lot about you know politicians and things trying to defy reality.

    But the reality is you can only deny basic fundamental facts for so long before the market reality and market force mechanisms catch up with you.

    We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that climate change is happening.

    There is a climate crisis.

    Now if you’re smart, you believe the data.

    you adapt your business you figure out okay, how does this impact our business? How does this impact our strategy? How do we go to market in different ways that can still provide value but adapt that reality? We know that a recession is coming.

    It’s not a question of if it’s a question of when what’s the timing going on? And is it going to be six months? Is it going to be six years? You watch the data you look at the data, you make plans around the data.

    Katie Rivera and I talked about this recently on the in your insights podcast, which if you’re not subscribed to please go subscribe to it over at trust insights.ai slash podcast.

    Pay attention to the economic data if the data says hey, things are going the wrong way.

    That’s an opportunity.

    That is a chance to change your strategy is to plan for multiple scenarios and then adapt but you have to believe the data first if you’re like, No, no, everything’s fine.

    The markets going to continue going up, customers are going to keep buying at the same rate budgets, they’re going to keep going up when they and that doesn’t happen.

    You your business may suffer.

    believing the data is hardest when you’re invested in a certain situation.

    And the situation changes.

    It’s easy to believe in the data after the market is crashed, right? It’s it’s easy to believe in it because it’s too late for you to make any changes.

    But when you get those first inklings of something’s not right.

    That’s when it’s the most important to believe in the data.

    Because at that point, you can make changes and go with the wave go with the tide, rather than getting smashed by it on the back end.

    So those would be the by the all the different ways that believe the data shows up as an important management lessons, the tough one, because you have to overcome your want and desire for things to be different than they are.

    That’s human agents difficult, very, very difficult.

    But if you can master that, Master yourself, you can manage people better, you can manage adverse situations better, you can beat competitors better because you even if you don’t want to believe emotionally that a competitor is beating you if you acknowledge that fact, you can then start to make changes, believe the data and then make changes based on the data No matter how much it hurts.

    That’s the number one most important management lesson.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Programmatic Facebook Ads and Social Attribution?

    You Ask, I Answer: Programmatic Facebook Ads and Social Attribution?

    Maggie asks, “How reliable is using programmatic impressions data that’s collected in GA (with an understanding of its value and the contribution of programmatic to website conversions), to use this value as a proxy and apply to social to give us a better idea of Facebook performance?”

    This is an interesting question that will require experimentation and analysis on your part. To use programmatic impressions data as a proxy for Facebook impressions in general, you have to prove a couple of things:
    – Programmatic audience composition is highly correlated to your normal Facebook audience composition – same people
    – Programmatic audience behavior is highly correlated to your normal Facebook audience behavior – same actions

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    In today’s episode Maggie asks, How reliable is using programmatic impressions data that’s collected in Google Analytics with an understanding of its value and the contribution of programmatic to website conversions to use this value as a proxy, and apply to social to give us a better idea Facebook performance? That’s a lot to unpack there.

    The question that Maggie’s asking is, can you use data from Facebook programmatic advertising? To make to draw conclusions about your Facebook’s audience performance in general? That’s an interesting question.

    My first instinct was to say no, but giving it some more thought.

    The answer is maybe it may be reliable.

    But you need to do some, some math.

    So to use any kind of advertising data as a proxy for your audience’s overall behavior, you have to prove two things, same people, same actions.

    So in this case, you’d have to prove your programmatic audience composition, the people that you’re reaching with programmatic is highly correlated to normal Facebook audience composition, is it the same people? So for example, if you go to Facebook Audience Insights, and you look at your, your, your audience that you have access to their? Is it this? Is it the same as the audience to reaching for your programmatic audience composition? And you should be able to do that, as long as you keeping custom audiences for both.

    But you want to look? Is it the same age groups? Is it the same gender? Is it the same locations? Do they have the same page likes? Do they have the same interests and affinities, same political orientation, whatever, whatever factors, you can determine about both audience, you want to see how much they overlap.

    If you are reaching very different people with your ads than you are with your organic content, then the impressions data that you get from programmatic inside Google Analytics is not going to be helpful, right? Because you’re you’re essentially measuring different people.

    If you’re measuring, you know, souk on this hand, and he’s doing he’s, he’s a fan of Celine Dion.

    And you’re, you’re measuring a margarita over here.

    And you know, she’s a fan of Evanescence, they’re gonna be very, very different people, and have very different behaviors.

    So same people make sure that the same people first second, you then have to prove, and this is something you’ll do with Google Analytics, you have to prove that they have the same behaviors or similar behaviors.

    How correlated here is your Facebook audiences behavior from organic from programmatic? And that’s something that you’re looking for, you know, what pages do they visit on your website, what percentage of the audience converts, return user, time on page time on site, all those things that tell you, yes, if you’ve got similar people, and they’re behaving in similar ways, and this is different than the similar people, because even even though you may, you might have the same people, they will behave differently, they can behave differently, if they come to you with different intent.

    If you’re running, you know, by now, ads on Facebook, those people that you’re you’re obtaining have a different intent than somebody who just clicked on a blog post article wants to read more, right, you can see that just just the difference in language alone, by now versus read more, you going to get very different intent, very different behavior, which means that using one set of behavior to try and predict another is not a good idea.

    So you have to be able to show that these two audience behaviors are the same, or least highly correlated.

    And if you can prove both same people and same actions, then you can use that impressions data as a proxy.

    If you can’t prove that, if you can’t show Yes, the same people same actions, then it’s not going to be very helpful.

    And intent matters a lot.

    If you look at your digital customer journey, you may see Facebook, social, and then like Facebook paid social, if you’ve got to configured correctly in Google Analytics, maybe, and probably are at different points in the customer journey.

    Right? Facebook, organic social, more often than not, for a lot of people is at the beginning of the customer journey, that awareness building.

    And Facebook paid is sort of you know, the deal closer gets is what not just somebody over to filling out that form or, or picking up something from the shopping cart.

    If the behaviors of the same because you’re running the same type of intent campaigns, then you may then you may have something to work with.

    So if you are posting on Facebook, organic, social, you know, Hey, get to know us.

    And you’ve also got a get to know us campaign in programmatic, then you may see similar behaviors.

    But a lot of that is contingent on the analysis.

    And that brings up one final point.

    Your programmatic performance will have to mirror and continue to mirror going forward.

    The unpaid performance, right.

    So if you go from a get to know us campaign to a buy now campaign, the intent changes and your predictive strength for your for your model.

    Let’s say that, yes, you proved same people same actions, when you did the analysis that may drift, because you’re changed the intent of the programmatic campaign.

    So just keep these things in mind.

    As you are trying to do this analysis, the answer is a solid, maybe you have to do the analysis.

    We don’t know enough about your audience to be able to make that determination.

    If I had to guess, it’s probably not a good fit, because most people use paid advertising in a very different way with a very different intent than they do on unpaid content marketing.

    Good question.

    Interesting question, challenging question you got a lot of work to do.

    Got a lot of homework to do.

    But the answers will be valuable to you, even if you can’t use it.

    predictively you at least have established and you know much more about your audience now because you’ve done the analysis and you can see the difference between an unpaid audience and a paid audience.

    And I think that’s an analysis that every marketer should do.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Attribution Modeling for Social Impressions?

    You Ask, I Answer: Attribution Modeling for Social Impressions?

    Maggie asks, “Is there a way to build a custom data-driven attribution model to include social impressions (Facebook / Instagram) data?”

    There are a couple of different ways of handling this. Both require machine learning, but both are very possible and something that I’ve done for Trust Insights customers very recently. You’re either going to be looking at Markov chain modeling if you have the data flowing into GA, or something like gradient boosting machines if you have very high resolution data. Watch the video for more and an example.

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    In today’s episode, Maggie asks, Is there a way to build a custom data driven attribution model to include social impressions such as Facebook and Instagram data? Yes, there’s always a way.

    There are a couple of different ways of handling this particular situation where you want to deal with traffic from social, both require machine learning, and both very possible and something that actually I’ve done very, very recently for a couple of Trusted Sites customers.

    Let’s look first at the traffic based one.

    Because that one is, I think, probably the best overall blend of social and Google Analytics data.

    Google Analytics gives you path information in their multi channel funnels API, which is how people interact with your company, on outside sources before they come to your website.

    So for example, if they view a Facebook post, and then they click on it, and then they view an Instagram post, they click on that and they view an Email Click on that you would see in the API and the data, you know, Facebook, Instagram, email, right as the chain of evidence that leads to a conversion or doesn’t.

    Now, there’s a machine learning technique called Markov chain modeling that you can use to pull apart those paths and re sequence them.

    Understand which paths lead to conversion, which ones don’t, and then what the differences are.

    So in that same example, Facebook, Instagram email, let’s say that leads to a conversion.

    And then you have Instagram email, as a different one, no conversion.

    In that very, very simple example, you could see by taking Facebook out the conversion fell apart.

    So if you do this, while you have a machine to this, thousands or millions of times with all the conversion data in your analytics instance, you can then apply waiting to say, guess what facebook, facebook matters, because you know, in 87% of conversions that didn’t have Facebook, they fell apart.

    Right.

    So that’s the traffic based one.

    And what I do is, I take that data, and then I condense it down something a little orange tablets actually bring this up here.

    So this is an example of a digital customer journey analysis, which is what a Markov chain model is, by source and medium, from top to bottom, and from left to right is the order in which people do things because again, same back to the early example, Facebook, Instagram, email, Facebook’s at the beginning of the journey, Instagram in the middle email at the end for that conversion.

    So if you just essentially tally up those conversion pathways, you get this chart where you see here, impact BND is is 8.6 of our conversions, percent of our conversions are begin there.

    Same with LinkedIn.

    Same with Facebook, then, right at the end of the Western US Google organic search, that’s a big chunk 27% is actually relatively healthy, because anything over like 15 years, you’re in danger of being too vulnerable on one channel.

    The all the engagement channels in the last half of the last of the journey, you see email, social, Twitter, things like that.

    So this is one way of sequencing that data in order to get at how different social channels play into attribution.

    Now.

    This is if you have everything wired up, and you’re passing as much data into Google Analytics as possible.

    If you just have the impression data itself, you’re doing type of modeling that essentially is called view through modeling.

    And Facebook has like for example, view through conversions.

    And what you’re trying to do is show a mathematical relationship between the number of impressions that your social content is made, and any sort of impact in the rest of your analytics.

    So what you need to do in this example, if you’re just trying to work with the impression data itself, is you need to build a very high resolution table of essentially every interaction ideally broken down like the our level instead of the day level of impressions, clicks.

    whatever other metrics you can get out of Facebook, whatever metrics you can get on Instagram, you put them all in one giant table.

    And then each each networks, dimensions are their own columns of Facebook question Instagram impressions, Twitter impressions by hour of day, by day, day, by day by week by month, you should have you know, for example, one day should be what 1440 rows per network.

    And then you have to call the Google Analytics API, and bring in things like branded organic searches, organic searches, direct traffic, where there is a lack of attribution, your total number of goal completions and things like that.

    And you will use a technique probably like gradient boosting machines.

    Extreme gradient boosting is the preferred method use a lot of the time for for analysis like this to say here are the here are the factors are the dimensions that drive the outcome we care about, like conversions, or branded organic searches, whatever KPI you’re trying to benchmark against.

    And then the software will go through and mix and match every possible combination.

    The thing that’s important is that you need a high resolution table, if you were to do this at like month level, you would get useless data because the sample is just too small, you really need as granular data as possible.

    Google Analytics can spit out I believe you can go down to the second level, and Google Analytics data and for Facebook, Instagram, I’m I think you can get our minute out of out of those API’s.

    Again, you put all together, run your Gradient boosting machine, extract an answer.

    And then in this instance, here’s the catch, because you’re dealing with essentially, at the end of the day was very, very, very fancy correlations.

    You need to then build a testing plan to test the correlations if Facebook map matters the most, right? And maybe it’s Facebook videos, if you have like, factors, the different types of content, you definitely want that another Facebook videos matter the most, then you build a testing plan, you run it, and you do lots of Facebook videos and see if, as the number of Facebook videos goes up, do you see a commensurate increase in the target metrics that you built with the gradient boosting machine like random organic searches, do more Facebook videos, absent? Anything else? Do you see a corresponding proportional increase in random organic searches? And you test that you test that you make sure it’s not statistical noise? You test for statistical significance.

    And then at the end of the testing period, you say yes, we can prove because we’ve done the testing properly, that Facebook videos increases your whatever KPI you care about.

    So those are the two primary ways to build this kind of data driven attribution model.

    I do ideally as much of your social data should come in as quick traffic as possible, but I know that always possible use gradient boosting machines using machine learning to assemble that and shameless plug if you want to help doing that because done a lot.

    Feel free to reach out.

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