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  • You Ask, I Answer: How Effective is Share of Voice?

    You Ask, I Answer: How Effective is Share of Voice?

    Amanda asks, “How effective is share of voice as a measure? Is there a better way to measure PR?”

    Share of voice is one of my least favorite measures of media and attention for a few reasons: – It’s often denominator-blind, meaning that it rarely takes into account the whole of a space. – It’s blind to the media landscape as a whole. You’re competing for the same 24 hours Netflix is. – It’s sentiment-blind. If you were Equifax is 2017, you had 100% share of voice for a while because of your massive data breach. – It’s relatively easy to game.

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    • Some companies have had good success with share in very specific slices of data. They know the top 10 publications their audience reads and measure their share of that versus competitors.
    • Some companies have had good success with measuring relevant share. Using machine learning technology, we measure share of voice in relevant contexts and associated with specific topics.
    • When I worked in PR, we looked at a basket of metrics in search, social media, earned mentions, owned clicks, and paid ad costs to provide a more balanced look at competitors’ efforts.

    At the end of the day, however, what really matters are business results. At Trust Insights, in theory we compete with other analytics and management consulting firms, but realistically, our share of voice isn’t even a rounding error. What matters are our business results and whether they’re improving month-over-month. The way to reframe the conversation is to show that share of voice has, at best, a thin connection to downfunnel results, whereas website traffic to key pages or intake attribution matters much more. Modern, machine learning-powered attribution analysis is a great way to measure all your activities to find out what has a mathematical relationship to your results, and anything revenue-based is always going to be a better measure of your impact.

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    In today’s episode Amanda asks how effective is Share of Voice as a measure is there a better way to measure PR? Share voice is one of my least favorite measures of media and attention, I totally get where it’s coming from where the interest in it is. Executives want to care a lot about competitors, they want to show that what they’re doing matters. It comes from a place of a scarcity mindset, it comes from a place of insecurity. And a lot of cases, it comes from an executive looking to justify their continued employment. So I totally get it. But it’s got four major flaws. Number one, share voices very often denominator blind, which means it really takes into account this the whole of space. If you are working in, for example, say cyber security and your startup, and you’re measuring your Share of Voice versus appear competitive, and that’s good. But if you’re not measuring against like semantic, you’re not capturing the whole of that particular space. And when you do, it comes out ridiculous, right? You’re You’re a rounding error. seconds Your voice is blind to the media landscape as a whole. I always used to laugh and I saw a report saying our our company got 38% share voice last month. No you didn’t you’re competing for the same 24 hours at Netflix is you’re competing for the same 24 hours that YouTube is that every podcast on the planet is competing for your share of voice in terms of your share of the day that you got is gonna be like two and a half seconds of somebody’s attention. Third share voice is sentiment blind. If you were Equifax in 2017. Guess what you got 100% Share of Voice for a little while Why? Because you got a he had a massive data breach. And you had everybody in the rafters yelling for you to be tarred and feathered. That’s not that’s not mentioned you want. But your voice doesn’t take that into account. And forth, it’s very well well delete, easy to game. So long as you got some money, you can fire up a network of Twitter bots, and you can crank out press releases, and you’ll win that share voice. But you probably won’t generate any actual business results. And that is where share voice to me really fair fails. Now, I have seen some examples in the past of companies that have had success with modified versions of it, not what’s built into most vendor monitoring packages. But there was one example of a company I worked with in the past that used to take a very specific slice of data they cared about because they knew their industry cold. They cared about 10 publications in their industry like tech target and it G and stuff. And they measured their share of articles that they got in those 10 publications versus competitors. That was a good way of measuring a very thin slice, to see did they get? Did they do anything that was newsworthy? That got them in those publications, I thought that was a good example, another company did relevant share. We built some machine learning technology that was very primitive at the time. And certainly, they would do it completely differently today. But measuring share voice in relevant context associated with specific topics. So identifying the topics of an article, and then saying is this is this company’s share relevant and positive within this. And it would be today you would do that with things like vector ization, much more advanced machine learning, but it is, that’s a good way of doing it as well to say like was our was our share positive and relevant. When I worked in a PR agency, I created a system of measurement that looked at a basket of metrics. So search data like number of inbound links, domain score, and scores of relevant articles, you know, URL scores and domain scores. Social media mentions, of course, with their sentiment, earned mentions, click stream traffic if it was available, which it is, by the way, there are a number of good API’s out there that can get you partial click data, but it will be directionally reasonable and then paid ad costs. Because if you’re doing a good job of building a company’s reputation, their ad costs should go down, their cost per click should go down. Because the more somebody knows of a brand, the more likely it is that they will click on that brands ad, right, you got two ads side by side. One is a company you’ve heard of ones company you haven’t heard of, if I click the ad that you’ve heard of.

    And that was a good way of measuring a more balanced look at a competitor’s overall digital footprint. But here’s the thing about your voice, and competitive at in general, again, I get with a where people see that they’re important. But what really matters at the end of the day are your business results. For example, at trust insights, in theory, in theory, we compete with other analytics and management consulting firms. In theory, we compete with Accenture. In theory, we compete with Deloitte. Our Share of Voice isn’t even a rounding error, right? versus like a McKinsey or a Bain or BCG. We’re not close to the same league, right? We’re a startup. And so measuring share voice really is meaningless. For our situation, right? Now, if if I worked at McKinsey, yeah, maybe I want to measure how much more coverage I get than Accenture or Bain. But it’s not relevant for our scale of business. What really matters is our business results. And whether they’re improving month over month, right? The way to reframe the conversation around share voice, if you don’t want to use this as a metric, and you know that it’s lot is to show that share voice has a very thin tangential connection, down follow results. Whereas things like website traffic to key pages, intake attribution, when when somebody fills out a form on the website that says, you know, how did you hear about us? Well, if if they’ve all filled out, you know, I read your article in a martial arts magazine. Well, guess what, then you know that that media had an impact, you know, that’s something that you want to do over again, intake, attribution is one of those things that you’ve got to do. An awful lot of companies don’t. And, frankly, the end business results, the conversions on your digital properties, the number of calls, you get into a call center, the number of orders you get all the business results that come with dollars attached to them are far better measures of your of your efforts. And the way you measure that is with advanced attribution analysis, you have your outcome, like revenue or sales on they, they have all the activities you did, and as big spreadsheet, and you run a machine learning algorithm called predictor estimation, that says, hey, of all these things that we did, which ones matter which ones have a provable mathematical relationship in some way to the business outcome? And guess what, if press releases is one of them, then you do press releases. But by having all that data lined up, you can then run an analysis and figure Okay, what actually matters. That’s how that’s how you get away from the Share of Voice conversation and towards business metrics that have meaning. And that Dr. dollars because at the end of the day, especially if you work in public relations, your overall outcome is going to be measured somewhere along the line and dollars because somebody’s going to ask the question, What am I paying for? Right? So that’s what you want to be able to answer. So can share a voice if you can, by talking about these other ways of measuring your impact. As always, please leave your comments below. If you have questions, please leave them in the comments. And please subscribe to the YouTube channel on the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: The Future of PR?

    You Ask, I Answer: The Future of PR?

    Erin asks, “What is POV on the future of PR? As media landscape changes and print/cable become less mainstream, how are companies innovating within the practice?”

    The future of PR depends on our definition and concept of PR. There’s old school PR – blasting out emails to fewer and fewer reporters, cranking out press releases, etc. That PR is dying out, and for good reason: it hit diminishing returns a long time ago.

    However, if our definition of PR is about controlling the flow of attention, then PR doesn’t change. Where is the audience’s attention today? Who has it? How can we work with them? Gini Dietrich came up with a model in 2014 in her book Spin Sucks called the PESO model and it’s as good a framework as any for what constitutes modern PR.

    Here’s one change that is different and worth contemplating. In the old days, PR professionals were behind the scenes. Today, attention is so scarce and so valuable that PR professionals, realizing that they have relatively short times at any given agency, are building their own brands and communities that they can re-use. The same is true for intelligent, progressive agencies: by building mailing lists, private communities, etc. of their most influential message spreaders, they have a well they can tap when they need it. It’s a lot more work, and it takes a long time to build those relationships, but when you do, there’s nothing like it.

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    In today’s episode, Aaron asks, What is the point of view on the future of PR as the media landscape changes in print and cable become less mainstream? How are companies innovating within the practice? That’s a fun question. For background, I spent five years working at a PR firm, seeing the industry change massively during that time and of course, change continues. The future of PR depends on our definition of what we think PR is what is it? There is old school PR, which is part of Aaron’s question, in the sense of like print and cable and TV. And old school PR looks like this. It’s it’s a bunch of poorly paid Junior people crammed in a room blasting out emails to fewer and fewer reporters. You know, picking up the phone and smiling and dialing it looks like the boiler room right looks at the boiler room of a terrible sale shop. Yeah, Alec Baldwin’s character, when you walk around, like make more calls, cranking out press releases, you know, dozens or hundreds of press releases a day that nobody reads and and and costing an enormous amount of money for no good reason that PR is dying out. And for good reason. It, it hit diminishing returns long time ago. And the even the older older school PR that is actually dead, but you know, sort of Mad Men era of PR where you’re taking reporters out to Martini lunches that ever happens anymore. But even the sort of the salt mine boiler room, always be closing PR model is is going away. And that’s good. Because it’s it’s it’s extremely expensive. It’s laborious, repetitive, low value work. It really is, I used to describe it as it’s a sales job with no commissions at the worst sales job in the world. Now, if we define PR as the controlling of attention at the direction of attention, then PR is timeless, it’s not going to change, right. And it won’t change because attention is the most scarce thing in the world right now. Thanks to we have all these wonderful, lovely devices that we have. This is the center of attention today. These are becoming the center of attention. Where is your audience’s attention today? Who has it? How do you work with them? One of the best models for for sort of understanding the space is actually came up with by my friend, and full disclosure advisor to my company, Ginny Dietrich, over at spin sucks. Ginny came up with a model in 2014, called the PESO model paid, earned shared own, it’s a great framework for what constitutes modern PR, modern PR is all about attention, where can you get attention. Sometimes you earn through reaching out to you know, outlets that are influential or social media influencers. That’s where kind of that shared comes in is that the social media side of things, attention comes through organic search SSE own part, that’s where your content on your website. And and maybe medium and then anything where you have control over where you put the content, you do earn it. And of course you can you have to pay for attention, right, you’re not paying for media, you’re paying for attention, you’re paying for the right to address someone’s eyeballs, or their ears if you’re doing podcasting. That is modern PR. And you have to be good at all four branches, or you have the if you’re a PR agency or a PR team, you have to have people with capabilities on on each side. And you have to have people can measure it because one of the things that PR has always been better and still is bad at today is measuring anything. Now, here’s a here’s a change that I think is different and worth contemplating. In the old days, PR professionals were you know, the man behind the curtain secretly networking their their client with the with the reporter and, and the PR person was never really the star of the show. Today, attention is so scarce and so valuable, that PR professionals are starting to change their view on on the impact of attention. And what I mean by this is that your average PR professional has a super short life span in any given agency, you know, 12 to 18 months, then they flip and go to a different agency and things like that. Or they burn out or they go in house or something like that. Because it is it’s an old school PR which a lot of companies still do is very much that boiler room, it’s a sales job with no sales commissions that will burn you out super fast, because it’s not fun.

    And so PR professionals, the forward thinking ones are building their own brands, they’re building the personal brands, they’re building communities that they can reuse. They are don’t like using the word but it is accurate. In this case, they are becoming influencers in their own right in a specialization in a space. They know who’s who and they have relationships with who is who. And they can persuade people that they know to do to help them Garner and direct attention. That is the definition of PR. And the same is true for intelligent progressive agencies if they’re thinking ahead, which many are not. But the best ones are building their own mailing list building their own private communities on a on an ongoing basis. Not our client has his campaign, we need to throw dinner, you know, hit the list, go go into the database and pull out a bunch of names. That’s that’s old school, that’s not furthering a relationship. The the most progressive agencies have a discord channel or a Slack channel or a mailing list or private discussion forum, our private Facebook group, and are building that relationship with their most influential message spreaders providing them value giving, giving giving all the time so that they have a well they can tap into when they need it. When they have a big promotion or big campaign or something, they can go in and say, Hey, folks, you know, we’ve been doing all this stuff for you and giving you value over the last weeks or months, we haven’t ask, right they give in order to earn the right to ask now it is a lot of work. Believe me as a as someone who helps run a large slack community, it takes a long time to build those relationships, it is a lot of work. But when you do if you do it, well, there’s nothing like it. Because as long as your gives outweigh your asks, and the value of your gifts outweigh the value of your asks. You can create massive impact. So that’s the one thing I would say is different about today’s PR for the people who are thinking ahead versus old school PR. Now the challenge is, again, because you’re changing out people all the time. I mean, the PR industry has something like a 55% turnover rate annually, which means that one out of every two people that you work with, if you’re working with a PR person, there’s a good chance and not going to be at the same company the next year. So think about building no matter whether you’re at an agency or an independent professional, whether you’re in house, think about building those relationships on an ongoing basis. curating a private community in your area of specialization, and then using that as your leverage as your your source of attention to direct it when you need it directed most. Great question Aaron, I could go on for a real long time of this but I think we’ll we’ll end there. As always, please leave your comments below. And please put you subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you


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  • Mergers and Acquisitions 101 : How to Survive a Merger

    Mergers and Acquisitions 101 : How to Survive a Merger

    Many marketing professionals have never experienced a merger or acquisition. All they’ve heard are the downsides from peers – job loss, heavier workloads, confusion. What are the basics of mergers? Let’s look at mergers and acquisitions 101: why companies do it, what you should know about your own career prospects, and how to prepare for a merger.

    Why do Companies Merge/Acquire?

    Companies merge/acquire for four basic reasons:

    1. Acquire new products. Sometimes buy is cheaper than build, so the acquiring company just buys the company for its products/services outright, rather than mess around with licensing deals. An example of a product acquisition would be Microsoft’s acquisition of Skype.
    2. Acquire new assets. Some companies will be acquired for non-salable assets (as opposed to products to be sold). When Southwest bought Airtran, it was speculated that this was because Southwest wanted an Atlanta hub. Alaskan Airlines buying Virgin America is another example of purchasing access to cities that Alaskan didn’t serve, or didn’t serve well. Sometimes the asset is as simple as a customer database, a media property, or a piece of proprietary technology (like a patent portfolio).

    3. Acquire new talent. Google is famous for doing this, such as with Jaiku. They wanted the engineers and grabbed the entire company to get them, then terminated the people they didn’t need.

    4. Reduce operating costs or increase scale. Sometimes two companies can achieve greater efficiency or greater scale by merging. In the corporate world, this is a synergy merge. For example, Proctor & Gamble acquired Gillette not only for the product line, but also for a greater scale of manufacturing capacity and cost savings. Amazon is noted for doing this with acquisitions like Zappos.

    Companies go through mergers and acquisitions for an endgame goal of improved financial performance for shareholders. At the end of the day, more money is always the objective.

    The reasons cited above aren’t mutually exclusive, either. Companies might execute mergers for multiple reasons. At a former company, the acquiring company bought the company I worked at for reasons 1, 3, and 4.

    What Happens During M&A?

    Prior to a merger happening, both companies do their due diligence in examining each others’ operations and financial performance. The value of the target company is negotiated and established; if everything seems like it would work well enough, both companies sign an agreement and the merging/acquisition process begins. The acquiring company typically assembles a game plan of what they want to keep and what they want to change/normalize/assimilate after the merger at this point.

    The acquiring company buys out enough ownership in the target company to effectively gain control over it. In publicly traded companies, this is done largely by buying shares of voting stock until the acquiring company owns a majority stake. In privately held companies, this is done by buying out owners of equity in the company from just a single sole proprietor to a team of shareholders.

    Once ownership is acquired, shareholders are paid for their stake in the company and then the process of actually merging two companies together begins.

    Remember the primary reason for a merger: improved financial performance. The merging process is all about the roadmap towards what that end state looks like. Sometimes the company is very public about what will happen, and sometimes the company is very secretive about it. At another former company, the acquiring company forced an intense amount of secrecy on key stakeholders of the target company, and essentially announced the merger and the roadmap all at once.

    One of the most important things you can do is listen carefully to what’s being said about the merger, to employees, to the press, to investors, etc. Gather up news articles and statements about the merger so that you have a comprehensive picture of the reason for the merger.

    What Happens to Employees?

    If you’re a shareholder of the target company, you get paid a cash sum or get converted shares. For example, if you were an employee of GTE that held stock in GTE back in the day, your GTE stock got converted to Verizon stock when the acquisition completed. Many employees of publicly traded companies receive stock as part of their compensation (typically as part of a retirement plan), and that stock is converted on acquisition.

    If you’re an employee of either company, you are effectively on notice.In order to achieve greater financial performance (which is the sole reason for M&A as stated above), you have to immediately reduce redundancies and inefficiencies. For every overlapping role in either company, one position will continue on and one or more people will be laid off. Let’s look at the human side of the four examples above.

    1. Acquire new products. Everyone not tightly associated with the new products will likely be laid off in the target company eventually. People tightly coupled to the development and support of the core product or service being purchased will be fine in the short to medium term as the acquiring company typically lacks that product expertise. If the stated reason for acquisition is acquisition of products and services, and you’re not on the core product team, expect to lose your job.

    2. Acquire new assets. If the asset requires staffing, such as the Southwest/Airtran example (new routes in and around Atlanta mean staff to operate them), they’ll be kept. If the asset requires no staffing, such as a database or a patent portfolio, then the target company’s entire team will probably be let go.

    3. Acquire new talent. If you are the target pool of talent being acquired, life is good. If you’re not, you’re being let go. In technology talent acquisitions, the acquiring company keeps the developers and lets everyone else go.

    4. Reduce operating costs or increase scale. This is the messiest of mergers as people in both companies are under the gun to demonstrate why they should be kept. It’s effectively a corporate deathmatch: two employees enter, one employee leaves, and employees in the acquiring company as well as the target company are at risk. If you’ve seen the scenes in the movie Office Space with the “Bobs” consultants, that’s more or less the process you’ll go through.

    Mergers and acquisitions’ purpose are to improve financial performance. Anything and anyone that doesn’t directly contribute to improved financial performance in either company with regards to mergers and acquisitions will be let go.

    Also, bear in mind that there tend to be as many exceptions as rules when it comes to mergers. For every example and case I’ve cited here, you can easily name 10 cases where the consequences were different, even the desired outcome. Time Warner’s acquisition of AOL got them anything but improved financial performance, for example. Just as every personal relationship is different, so too are mergers and acquisitions. The motivations for mergers, regardless of outcome, are the same: improved financial performance.

    Surviving a Merger

    Plan around which of the four core reasons a merger happened. If a company is acquired for multiple reasons, the likelihood of synergies which provide you career opportunities go up. A merger simply to cut costs bodes ill for everyone. A merger for new products, new assets, and new markets means that financial performance through growth is more likely the reason, and that translates into increased opportunities to survive and thrive in the new company.

    Pay careful attention during the merging process to a few things:

    • How quickly your company culture changes. A fast transition – less than a year – to a whole new company look and feel is indicative that the acquiring company values only a certain part of the target company, and thus your likelihood of being let go increases.
    • How quickly new financial controls are imposed. If you immediately change to new timekeeping systems, new billing and expense procedures, new constraints on what you’re allowed to do or not do, chances are the acquiring company feels the target company isn’t efficient and intends to clean house quickly. Thus, your risk is higher. In a previous merger I went through, the acquiring company canceled the old company credit cards very fast, an early sign that they didn’t trust the financial judgement of the company I was at – and sure enough, that merger went very badly for the employees.
    • How quickly new organization charts and reporting structures appear. Again, if the acquiring company feels the target company is well run, there won’t be a ton of changes. If, on the other hand, you walk into work and the org charts are all different and there’s a new box of business cards on your desk the day after a merger announcement, chances are it’s not going to be a pleasant merger.
    • How quickly workloads change – especially if they increase. The goal of any merger is improved financial performance, which means that the acquiring company is looking for outsized returns on investment. If work seems about the same even after a year, chances are the merger was successful and both companies are at parity in terms of performance. If your workload increases significantly in just a couple of months, the merger isn’t going to go well for you.

    Here’s a good rule of thumb: the faster and the bigger the changes, the worse the merger is going to be for the target company. Ignore the most common lie uttered during merger announcements – “Don’t worry, nothing’s going to change!” – and pay attention to the changes that do occur. A merger of two well-run companies where the acquirer and the target both value each other will take at least a year, and change will be gradual. A merger in which the acquirer doesn’t value or respect more than a few pieces of the target company will impose noticeable quality of life changes rapidly, sometimes in as little as 3-6 months after the announcement of the merger.

    My best advice to you, as someone who has been through many mergers and acquisitions, is to document and improve your personal performance over time, whether there’s a merger or not.

    Once a merger is announced, you are interviewing for your own job.

    Treat it as such. Document everything you do with concrete metrics about how well you do it, then focus on improving the metrics you have control over. Your goal is to demonstrate your worth to your new company in concrete terms of how you help the company make money, save money, or be more efficient. In your self-evaluation, if you struggle to document and identify things you’ve done to either help your company make money, save money, or be more efficient, your best bet is to begin your job search immediately. Brush up your LinkedIn profile, boost your personal brand, and get ahead of the crowd.

    Finally, a note on the human side. Mergers and acquisitions are generally tough for both the acquiring company and the target company, especially if you’re not a senior member of either company. In the end, the culture and processes of the acquiring company always take precedence. If, when you get to know the acquiring company a little, you don’t like what you see (or read on Glassdoor), don’t expect that the target company will influence the acquiring company in any meaningful way. Prepare to leave sooner or later, and do it on your own terms if possible. On the other hand, if you like what you see, redouble your efforts to prove your value and ascend in the new company, because there will be plenty of folks who will feel the new company isn’t a good fit for them.

    Disclosure: This post has been revised several times over the years. The most recent revision added more cues about measuring change during a merger and removed some identifying information from mergers I was personally involved with.


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  • You Ask, I Answer: How to Use AI for Customer Service?

    You Ask, I Answer: How to Use AI for Customer Service?

    Amy asks, “How can we use AI to improve customer service? What are some ways to practically implement it?”

    Customer service is everything from the purchase onwards in the customer journey, and companies are faced with dual mandates: make service better, but make service cheaper. What are some practical applications of AI? The keys will be around the two fundamental types of problems AI solves best: understanding and predicting.

    Understand:
    – What customers are saying to you, especially in non-text channels (but also text, like mining your CRM)
    – What customers to each other, from social conversation to search intent
    – What the profile of our MVCs is

    From our understanding, we will predict:
    – What customers will be high need vs. low need, and positive vs. negative
    – What customers will have the highest lifetime value
    – When customer needs will be highest

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    In today’s episode, Amy asks, How can we use AI to improve customer service? What are some ways to practically implemented customer service? Let’s start by defining that customer service is everything from the purchase moment onwards. So from the moment the purchase, the customer gives their credit card says, this is the thing that I want b2b, b2c doesn’t matter. And everything after that in the customer journey is customer service. So that means ownership, which is things like warranty and service and support to loyalty, which is and retention, which is all about making sure that the your your product or service still continues to deliver value to the customer. And ideally, ideally, value continues to increase longer the customer own something. And of course, evangelism, helping the customer if they’re happy to talk about owning the product or service and looking for people who are having those conversations already. So those are the things that we’re going to lump under customer service. Companies traditionally have had dual mandates when it comes to customer service and not necessarily good ones, the dual mandates are of course makes service better. But in a lot of cases, companies have been tasked with making service cheaper, because corporations see it as a cost center rather than a value center. Now as models of attribution analysis get better. We’re starting to see people thinking about customer service as a driver of up sells, for example, particularly in b2b if a customer is happy, they’ll buy more from you are FM analysis and techniques like that help with that. But there are still a lot of companies are stuck in the old mindset of sort of customer services, just a cost, keep the cost is low as possible, instead of making the customer deliriously happy. And they’ll buy more and recommend more. So what are some practical applications of artificial intelligence in this space? The key to the application of AI and machine learning and specific revolves around the two fundamental tasks that they would be tackling which is understanding and predicting to understand we would use machine learning to dig into things like what our customers saying about us, especially in in social conversations, and then search intent. For example, if I am an owner of a whirlpool washing machine, and I’m looking up a whirlpool warranty or Whirlpool, whatever error code, guess what, I have some service issues, right, I have some support issues that I need to have resolved. If I own CRM software, I’m looking for the for how to do a certain thing. Sir, type that into Google, I would want as if I was the company, I would want to be using machine learning to analyze the data and understand relationships between different types of searches, relationships between searches and social conversations, at what point does somebody stop searching and start complaining? Those are all things that I wouldn’t want to know. I would want to know what are the profile of our most valuable customer is what using techniques like clustering, categorization, dimension reduction, what are those, the the aspects or the variables of a most valuable customer, and that goes way beyond traditional RF m analysis. Traditional our FM analysis just looks at you know, recency of purchase frequency of purchase monetary value of purchases, and that’s okay. But if you have the ability, with machine learning to look at 100, 200, 300 dimensions of the customer, their demographics, the psycho graphics firma graphics, and you can then put together a real comprehensive picture that customer you should. And most of all, this is where machine learning is a shining beacon customer service, it is understanding what customers are saying to our companies, especially in non tech channels, I did a project recently, for a company where they said a 17,000 recorded calls in an audio format from their call center. And we had a I transcribed them and then had AI, digest that down to understand what are the key issues that these customers were calling about. But you don’t have to use advanced stuff like that. Even just mining, the data within your CRM is so valuable, and companies don’t do it. What’s in your customer service inbox, customers, companies just don’t look at that. And you can use AI to understand

    once you understand, then you can predict things the kinds of things you want to predict, for example, would be what customers are high need versus low need. If you have to reduce costs and customer service, you definitely want to know hire low need and who is high and low value, right? So what are the types of if a customer is high need and low value, and you have the ability to predict that type of customer, you can say let’s not market to those people versus low need high value let’s market to those people as much as we can use machine learning to isolate, understand and build a model for predicting that based on

    characteristics of data that you get, you can predict what customers have the highest lifetime value.

    Again, if you go beyond our FM and your understanding, and then build a models who predict this customer matches 42 of the 46 high value indicators, let’s make sure that, you know we we target them really, really cleverly and smartly so that we win their business. And finally, now what are the what are the types of sentiment in conversations? And can you create a model of cases that were resolved successfully versus cases is that we’re not resolved successfully? If there are things like sentiment and tone in conversations that people are having with the chat bot with the operator with the customer service forms? Can you predict when something’s going to go off the rails and intercept that early on, so that you that that person never gets to the stage where they cause a PR incident for example. So those are understanding predict the two basic use cases for machine learning and AI that will help customer service get better. You can do this with the data you have today. What you have may be messy, it may need to be structured and cleaned up and engineered but the beauty is most companies have been collecting this data. It’s in your customer service inbox is in your CRM, it’s in your call center. You just haven’t been using it if you’d like help course I company trust insights will be happy to help with that. So great question. important question, important question and one we’re not talking about enough. As always if you have any follow on comments, please leave in the comments below. Please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter. I’ll talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. Visit trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you


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  • You Ask, I Answer: Unintentional Bias in Data Science and ML?

    You Ask, I Answer: Unintentional Bias in Data Science and ML?

    Chacha asks, “Is there such a thing as unintentional bias?”

    This is an interesting question. Bias itself is a neutral concept – it simply means our data leans in one direction or another. Sometimes that’s a positive – there’s a definite bias of people in my Slack group, Analytics for Marketers, towards people who love analytics and data. Other times, bias is a negative, such as redlining, the practice of willfully excluding certain populations from your business based on broad characteristics like race, religion, or sexual orientation. In machine learning in particular, there’s tons of unintended bias, bias that occurs when we don’t give our machines strict enough guidelines about what we want our models to do or not do.

    Unintended means it wasn’t part of our design, part of a conscious choice on our part. There will be bias; the question is, what is its impact, and do we then keep it or disregard it?

    Most bias can be mitigated at either the feature engineering stage or the model backtesting stage if we know to look for it. The greater question is, are we looking for it? This is where the science in data science comes into play.

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    In today’s episode tchotchke asks, Is there such a thing as unintentional bias? This is an interesting question. Yes, there is. bias is itself sort of a neutral. A moral concept me has no moral basis period. It simply means that our data leans in one direction or another. It has a skew or a a deviancy off this the central tendency, sometimes that’s a positive. For example, there’s a definite bias in my slack group analytics for marketers towards people who like analytics and data, right? That would make logical sense and that bias is intentional, and unintended, unintentional bias, and that is that statistically, if I look at the number of people who are in the group and their inferred gender, it leans female, that was unintentional. At no point did I are the trusted Insights Team say we want to focus just on this particular expressed gender. Other times, bias is a negative, such as the practice of redlining of practice, from the dating all the way back to the 1930s, when banking and insurance companies took out a map and drew red lines around certain parts of cities where they didn’t want to do business with people in those in those parts of the city based on broad characteristics, like race, or religion, or sexual orientation. And those that, again, is unintentional bias when you do the red lining, but there is plenty of unintentional bias where you say, I want to isolate, maybe people who have a lower income from my marketing. But that has comes with a whole bunch of socio economic characteristics, which do include things like race and religion and sexual orientation. So that would be unintentional bias. in machine learning. In particular, there’s a ton of unintended bias bias that occurs when we are not thoughtful enough about the choices we make in our data. And we when we don’t give our machines strict enough guidelines about what we want our models to do or not do. A key part of data science and machine learning today is asking yourself throughout the process, what are the ways that this can go wrong? is a very popular subreddit called what could go wrong? It’s a, you know, silly videos and stuff. But that key question is one that not enough people ask all the time, and then marketing, what could go wrong? If I build a list that is is cold from these data sources? What could go wrong? What What could go wrong in that data? What could go wrong in that analysis? What could go wrong in those insights? What could go wrong in our strategy? That is something that we’re not thinking about enough. Remember, the unintended bias means it wasn’t part of our design, it wasn’t part of a conscious choice that we made on our part, there’s always going to be a bias in our data sets. The questions that we have to ask our Is this a conscious decision we’re making? And if so, is it legal? What is the impact of an unintended bias? If we do discover one? And then assuming that it is legal and ethical? Do we keep it or disregard it? So again, if I see a bias towards a certain gender in my email list? What is the impact? Do we keep it? Do we disregard it? What are those things that that matter? The other thing we have to consider is that most bias can be mitigated, not eliminated, but it can be mitigated, the impact can be reduced. At a couple of different points in the machine learning pipeline in our data science pipeline, one is at the feature engineering stage. And when we are deciding what characteristics to keep or exclude from our data, we have to make decisions about if there’s a bias there, should we keep it or not?

    There is a I’ve heard some less skilled machine learning practitioners say, Oh, well, if, if gender is a concern, then we just delete that column. And then the machine can’t create features from that characteristic. And that’s a really bad thing to do. Because by taking gender out of your training data, then allows the machine to create inferred variables, which can be functionally the equation agenda, but you can’t see them. Right, if you know, if you have, for example, all the likes of somebody on Facebook, they know the movies, the books, the music, that they like, guess what, your machine can very easily create infer gender, and ethnicity and different sexual orientation with a high degree of accuracy. So instead, the best practices becoming, keeping those characteristics which the law deems is protected, and telling machines, these are the acceptable parameters from which the model may not deviate. For example, if you have, let’s say, you’re doing, I don’t know ROI on on your data set, and your and your machine spits out and says hey, the ROI of a certain religion is higher or lower, based on on that person’s religion, you can specify to the machine that people who are no Rastafarians must have the same outcome must be treated the same as people who identify as I know, pasta, Aryans, right. And so you can you can tell the machine, you must know this characteristic exists. And then you must treat it equally, he must not give a different outcome to somebody based on a protected class. So that’s an important part of that. So feature engineering is one of those stages where we can decide what key features to keep, and then mitigate bias within them. And this software like IBM is open scale that can actually you can declare those classes and say, you may not deviate from Express set out guard rails on your model. And the second is on that model back testing stage, where you are testing out your code to see what results that spits out. And that’s when you as a human have to QA the code and say, it looks like there’s a bias here, it looks like there’s a bias here, it looks like there’s a bias here, we can keep that one, we can’t keep that one. But you’ve got to be looking for it. And that’s where data science and statistics really come into play. And where a lot of folks who are new to machine learning and maybe talk about that crash course in in machine learning thing. Can they come up more coders than they do? still having a statistical background? As a result, they’re not thinking asked how could this data be misused? How could this data go wrong? How could we create unintentional biases that we then have to deal with later on? So there absolutely is such a thing as unintentional bias. And frankly, most of the time for most people in most situations, most bias is unintentional. We just have to know for it. Note note to look for it, ask how could this go wrong? And then mitigate it either and feature engineering model back testing. And this is something that marketers in particular have to be very careful about because marketers have a lot of personally identifiable information. And marketers tend not to be trained in statistics and data science to be looking for these biases. So when we use marketing automation tools to help us optimize our marketing, we also have to be asking, Are these tools creating biases behind the scenes that we do or do not want? So something to keep in mind there? Great question. important question. And if you want to learn more about the ethics side of this, I recommend picking up the free copy of Dr. Hillary Mason and Michael Keaton his book called ethics and data science. You can find it on Amazon as part of Kindle Unlimited, and I believe it’s zero dollar cost too. So make sure you pick up a copy of that book. It’s a really, really important read if you’re doing any kind of work with personally identifiable information. As always, please leave any questions do you have in the comments below, and subscribe to the YouTube channel in the newsletter, I’ll talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. Visit trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you


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  • You Ask, I Answer: Will Automated Machine Learning Make Data Scientists Obsolete?

    You Ask, I Answer: Will Automated Machine Learning Make Data Scientists Obsolete?

    Sheedeh asks, “Will new advances like automated machine learning make data scientists obsolete?”

    Most definitely not, though I can understand why that’s a concern. AI is currently automating a fair number of tasks that data scientists do, but those tasks are relatively low value. I’ve had a chance to test out a bunch of automated machine learning frameworks like IBM’s AutoAI and H2O’s AutoML. The new features are time savers for data scientists, but cannot do what data scientists do. One of the key areas where automated machine learning is, and for the foreseeable future, will fall short is around feature engineering. Watch the video for full details.

    Recall that there are 5 key types of feature engineering:

    • Feature extraction – machines can easily do stuff like one-hot encoding or transforming existing variables
    • Feature estimation and selection – machines very easily do variable/predictor importance
    • Feature correction – fixing anomalies and errors which machines can partly do, but may not recognize all the errors (especially bias!)
    • Feature creation – the addition of net new data to the dataset – is still largely a creative task
    • Feature imputation – is knowing what’s missing from a dataset and is far, far away from automation

    The last two are nearly impossible for automated machine learning to accomplish. They require vast domain knowledge to accomplish. Will automated machine learning be able to do it? Maybe. But not in a timeline that’s easily foreseen.

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    In today’s episode she asks Will new advances like automated machine learning, make data scientists obsolete? Most definitely not. Though, I can understand why that would be a concern because obviously, automated machine learning makes many promises like it’ll speed up your your AI pipeline, it will make your company faster, data scientists are expensive, and so on, so forth. But a lot of the promises that they’re being marketed about AI, automated AI are falling really short. AI is and should be automating a fair number of tasks that data scientists do. But those tasks are the low value. And one hot encoding a table is a low value task from the perspective of if you’re paying 300, 400 $500,000 a year for this person, having them encode a table is something that a machine should definitely do, it’s not the best use of the time. And a lot of these newer automated frameworks, make the promise that they’ll handle everything for you, you just put in the data and magic happens. I’ve had a chance to test out a bunch of these frameworks. These automated machine learning frameworks, IBM is auto AI, h2o is auto ml remixes auto ml. And the features that are in these toolkits are time savers, for sure, for data scientists, but they can’t replace a data scientist. They can augment they can reduce some of the repetitive tasks, the low value stuff, but they’re not a replacement for the person. I’ll give you an example one of the key areas where automated machine learning really falls short. And will for the foreseeable future is around feature engineering. feature engineering is a fancy term in data science for essentially, college in a table, right, so if you have a spreadsheet, it’s the columns in your spreadsheet. And there’s five key types of feature engineering, some machines can do, well, some can’t. As an example, let’s let’s imagine a table with four features, right? The date that you brewed a cup of coffee, the temperature of the coffee, what being type used, you know, Colombian or Nicaraguan whatever, and an outcome was a good cup of coffee or not. And you want to know what makes for a good cup of coffee, we’ve got a table with four features, it’s not a whole lot of data to build a model on feature engineering is all about creating and updating and tuning your data so that you can build a better model. And that model can then be used to predict whether the next cup of coffee you’re about to brew is going to be good or not. Right. So we have date, temperature being variety, and outcome was it a good couple. So the five areas of feature engineering, number one is extraction. This is where machines really shine easy to do. If you have the date that you brewed a cup of coffee, one of the things in there, you have the day of the of the week, you have the day, you have the day of the month, the day of the year, the day of the quarter, you have the week of the year, you have the quarter, you have the month, you have the hour, the minute, the second, and so on, so forth. So you can expand that one field into a bunch of new fields. This is called feature extraction. And it is something that machines can do super well. So you could take that date and explode it, maybe there’s maybe the hour of the day that you were a cup of coffee matters, we don’t know. But you could you could expand that.

    The second type of feature engineering is called feature estimation. And this is where you it’s called predictor importance or variable importance. Let’s say that you expand that date field, all those possible variations. And then you run a machine learning model. With the desired outcome being it was a good cup of coffee does day of the week matter. When you run the model, the machine can spit back estimations of important that say no day doesn’t matter. But our the day does, so can help you tune that. So feature estimation helps you tune your table to avoid adding crap to it all jumbled. All sorts of silly stuff, again, something that machines can do very, very easily. feature correction is the third area. And that is where you’re trying to fix anomalies and errors. machines can partly do that, right? So if there’s a missing date, like you forgot to record a cup of coffee One day, a machine can identify that, again, that’s missing. But they’re getting they’re getting better at but they’re still not great at detecting things like bias, right. So for example, being variety is one of the beans that is one of the features we’re talking about in this this fictional table. If you only buy Columbian coffee, guess what, you got a bias in your data, the machine may not necessarily see that as an anomaly, or as a bias. Like, hey, you only bought one kind of coffee here this whole time. So the the the the feature estimating mattress a this feature doesn’t matter. Well, if you know anything about coffee, bean varietals matters a whole lot. But if you’ve only tested one kind, you got a bias in your data and the machine won’t know to detect that, in fact, they’ll come up with the wrong answer and tell you to delete that column. The fourth area is feature creation.

    This is

    a creative task, being able to to create net new features on a table. So say we have been a variety in there, a machine can look at the data set. And if you got Colombian and a Nicaraguan and all this stuff, it can categorize that, but it can’t add net new data, like an easy thing for us to do would be to add the price that we paid for that can of beans. machine doesn’t know to ask for that he doesn’t even know how to get that doesn’t know that it exists, we, as the humans would need to create that feature, we need to bring in additional outside data was not in the data set in order to create it. So feature creation very difficult for machines, do you need domain expertise to do that, and a follow on Fifth aspect of feature engineering is feature amputation, which is, you know, as the expert, what’s missing from the data set, right. So for example, you brewed that cup of coffee, you got the temperature of the cup of coffee, great. I know as someone who drinks coffee, that there is depending on the carpet served in depending on the time of day, the ambient temperature, there is a lag time between the time was brewed, and the time you put it to your mouth and start drinking it. How long was that time, it’s not the data set. And it’s and you as a data scientist need to know, hey, if somebody let this cup of coffee, sit on the counter for 10 minutes, it’s gonna be a very different temperature that comes right off of the machine. But that is again, knowing what’s missing from the data set cooling time is missing from the data set completely. And so as a domain expert in coffee, you would know this needs to be in there. And so automated machine learning can make the most of the data that you provided. But it can’t really do a great job of detecting bias. It can’t do bring in new data for feature creation and it can’t really can’t do feature amputation. So a lot of these automated machine learning frameworks if you hear companies saying this will this will you know, this is magic all you need to do is putting your data and the rest leave it to the machines? Nope. It will speed up your data process science it will speed up your machine learning it will speed up the outcomes that you get it will make life easier for your data scientists but it is not a replacement. And this is a good example in general of what AI can and cannot do. So will Am I concerned the automated machine learning is going to make data scientists obsolete No. cup of coffee is is a very simple example of just how how off the rails that can go. So good question. important question is the important question to ask. And the answer is you still need data scientist for the foreseeable future. As always, please leave your comments below and please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. Visit trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you


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  • You Ask, I Answer: Machine Learning and Consumer Sentiment?

    You Ask, I Answer: Machine Learning and Consumer Sentiment?

    Denis asks, “How do you think AI will be applied to better understand consumer sentiments?”

    Sentiment analysis continues to substantially improve in machine learning, in natural language processing, as our technology improves. We’ve gone from very simple, frequently wrong approaches such as bag of words to very fast, complex systems like vectorization, all the way to the state of the art with deep learning methods. Additionally, new techniques and methods like active learning help our models get better and faster.

    So why don’t we see this progress in marketing tools? Watch the video for the answer.

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    In today’s episode, Dennis asks, How do you think AI will be applied to better understand consumer sentiment? sentiment analysis is a field where it’s part of machine learning, it’s part of natural language processing. And it is, it has changed and improved substantially in the last year, we have seen some major leaps forward in machine learning when it comes to being able to do more with language generate language, to be able to recreate very human like language, our technology has vastly improved. Just as a bit of history, machine learning and natural language processing used to be very primitive, the most common methodology used back in the old days, like two years ago, was like bag of words where you would have certain words, those words would have sentiments attached to them. There’s a very famous natural language processing libraries that did this, where you’d have words like hate versus love. And that approach was OK, ish. But it really did a poor job of understanding any kind of context, you could, you could say things like, I love the club, baby seals, right? That would be a positive sentiment. But we know every human perspective, that’s that’s a pretty awful negative kind of thing. More has changed on that front bag of words, it’s still used by a lot of software, particularly in the marketing space. But it is, it is largely dedicated by people who are doing natural language processing work. More complex stuff is stuff like vector ization, where you have technology that understands not only the word, but the context around it, the mathematical co occurrences of words, you could say, you would be able to see things that I don’t love, or I don’t hate, and have them be treated as contiguous entities, rather than separate, discrete words. And with vector ization, that then opens up the path to really complex language models, using deep learning methods where machines understand and part and process at the word level, at the phrase level, at the sentence level, paragraph level, and ultimately, the document level understanding how the relationships between these different entities change and grow over time. And that’s where natural language processing today is doing a fantastic job. By having those multiple levels of understanding, we can get very close to truly understand the context of what somebody writes in, like consumer view, or what they say in a video, or what they said in an email, or what someone noted in a CRM, that natural language processing is as really advanced. And there are some newer tools, even newer tools today, things like active learning that are helping, our models get better much faster, because instead of writing a model, and then just being done with it, the machines now are flagging things where they say this, this is a low probability, low confidence entry here, and it will raise his hand say, human help me interpret this, you score this one, you score this exception to most of the rules I’ve come up with. And then it’ll reintegrate our feedback. And use that to keep training improving as models. So active learning, really helping change and improve the game for natural language processing. Which leads you to the logical question, why are we not seeing this progress in marketing tools? Why is it that so many marketing tools are still stuck in 2005, or 2010? When it comes to a lot of these techniques? Well, the answer is cost. And it’s, there’s a couple of different dimensions of cost. One is the cost to include techniques like this in your software, you need someone who knows how to write this code. And that’s a big part. But a bigger part and a part that isn’t talked about a lot is compute cost. Doing deep learning requires big heavy hardware, like GPUs to process quickly, and that the cost of that is starting to come down. But it is still fairly expensive to run that type of compute compared to a bag of words approach, which is a very cheap form of compute. Which means that if you are a software vendor that is making SAS based software, which is the majority of marketing tools, Software as a Service, there’s nothing you download, there’s nothing against all you just go to a website and it and you put in your credentials, and it does the thing.

    in an environment like that, companies have a mandate to keep compute as cheap as possible. So that it scales to as many users as possible. If you have very expensive compute techniques, you can get a slow application very, very soon sooner than you expect. And so those two things, lack of knowledge, and the scalability, are really prohibiting the inclusion of these techniques in major mainstream marketing tools. Now, I think over time, that will change as compute costs continue to drop year after year. And then it’s just the lack of knowledge. And that I think, will eventually be overcome by startups, disrupting spaces. And then being bought by the big players and having the the startup technology integrated into the big players, tools and techniques, that you can get a jump on this by building your own software by building your own tools. Because what is computationally expensive for a software company to deploy to millions of users, is computationally very cheap for you or me to run on a laptop. Right? If you have a modern laptop, and you have the your own natural language processing code, is it a big deal for you to run a piece of software that does natural language assessment in 10 or 15 minutes now you do that your computer gets warm, the fans run a little bit and you go out maybe get a cup of coffee or something come back and and it’s done. That’s not a big deal to us. That’s a huge deal. That’d be a business ending problem for a software company. But for you and me, because we are effective distributing the problem across many computers, I do my version on my computer, you do your version on your computer, it’s not a big deal. So if you want to get a jump on competitors, if you want to get a jump on software companies waiting for them to catch up. Just close that knowledge gap by hiring by creating by buying the software to run in house, on your machines to do this kind of processing, and then you’ll have your answers way before anybody else. So give that some thought. give that some thought. This is a good question Denison it how do we apply this technique? It’s pretty obvious once you understand the consumer sentiment, you can use that information to change what you’re doing let’s make people unhappy and do more of the things that make people happy. That’s that’s the the the use case for consumer sentiment. The hard part is getting accurate sentiment. But good question. As always, please leave your comments in the comments box below. And please subscribe to the YouTube channel on the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you


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  • You Ask, I Answer: Starting Marketing Data?

    You Ask, I Answer: Starting Marketing Data?

    Magdalena asks, “If you have a new company or a new startup in marketing, how do you get started with no data?”

    This is a common question not only for new companies, but also for people new to a role who are coming into an organization where data may not be trustworthy or analytics software may not be configured correctly. As such, it’s effectively the same as starting something brand new. The starting point for a marketing initiative without data is to go get third-party data until you have enough of your own to build successful models. Watch the video for some useful tips about where to get that data.

    Top data sources for marketers:

    • Search data through tools like AHREFs
    • Public social media data through tools like Talkwalker and Brand24
    • Public data repositories like data.world, data.gov, and Kaggle
    • Survey data you collect
    • Other harvestable data you have rights to

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    In today’s episode, Magdalena asks, If you have a new company or a new startup in marketing, how do you get started with no data? This is a very common question. And not only for new companies or new startups, although certainly that’s probably the most common case was the case when Katie Rivera and I started up trust insights a little over a year ago. But it’s also a situation that is common for people who are coming into a an organization where the data may not be reliable, may not be trustworthy, your analytic software may not be configured correctly. And so you are effectively still starting from ground zero. So how do you deal with a situation like this? Well, the first thing to do, of course, is to immediately fix up and start collecting good data. So if you come into an organization or a startup, or whatever the case may be, and you don’t have the basics in place like Google Analytics, Google Tag Manager and a Google Data Studio, all the things that are essential for today’s marketing, you clearly want to do that. First, you want to start collecting data as quickly as you can. After you’ve gotten the basics of your own data underway, the next step is to start bringing in credible third party data to supplement your own data until you have enough of your own to build successful models. So there are a number of different data sources that are available to marketers that regardless of when you start in a in a company or an organization, the data is already out there, it’s already good or good enough. And you can begin building models and understanding intent and things like that from that data. So what are those data sources? Number one, search data is essential. Search data is essential, because generally speaking, people are searching for things around the clock, anywhere in the world that they have internet access. And that data is typically highly structured if you’re using from a very simple tool like Google Trends to sophisticated SEO tools like RFID, which is the one that I recommend, and they are a participating sponsor of marketing over coffee. So disclosure, they do spend money with us. You can download massive amounts of SEO data search data, what terms of being most searched for what keywords, what phrases, what topics, what articles, what, what’s any kind of information that is URL based, you can get from professional SEO tools. And that information is typically very good at being longitudinal meaningful, get a get it over time. And it is highly structured, it comes out in beautiful, you know, CSV, or spreadsheets, and you can begin working with it immediately. So for any marketer, I would say search data is where you have to start. What are people searching for in your industry, I have never run into an industry where the intended audience never searched for anything that is never once happened yet. So that’s a good place to start. A second place would be public social media, data, conversations, topics, things like that. You can use tools like talk Walker, which I use a lot. And brand 24, which I also use a lot. Both of them are great tools for pulling social data about specific topics of discussion. Now, unlike search data, some industries, there won’t be a ton of social media data if if there are topics that frankly, are too sensitive to be discussed or may not be available in social media monitoring tools. Cyber Security is a really good example. A lot of the best discussions in cyber security don’t happen in public forums. They happen in private closed groups, and the unless you are a member of those groups already, you’re not getting it. So

    that’s a case where you will want to supplement it with other types of data. A third data repository, there are public data repositories out there like data dot world data.gov, which is a lot of us data, there’s a hundreds of thousands of data sets when the government isn’t shut down. And Cagle calm is another great resource. There’s a tons of great publicly available, licensed for public use data sets that you can download and walk through that. Although again, for almost every industry available, the exception there would be, there’s not a ton of sensitive national security data publicly available for very good reason. So that would be a case where you would have to resort to others the data sources. Number four is survey data you can collect and you should be collecting survey data on a regular frequent basis. Survey data is essential because it allows you to start asking people why, why are certain things important? We just ran a survey trust insights. One of our quarterly surveys asked people what their biggest pain point was and why. And it’s open, open open ended questions. Using stats tools like our and stuff, we can parse those open ended questions and turn them into structured data. But survey data is very, very useful. And if you’re coming into especially an organization where there are customers, as mailing list things, and there isn’t good analytical data survey data is a great way to get off to the races, because you can just send it to your organization’s database and say, Hey, what are the top issues on your mind, and that will give you some really useful insights and starting points. It can also be a way for you to validate the data you have asking people to update their profiles, for example, not only will you get obviously, those people who are still interested in communicating with you, but then you’ll be able to clean up some of your data. And finally, would be any other harvest double data that you have rights to. That can be things like podcast data that can be anything internal CRM data can be customer service data, there’s a good chance unless your company is literally brand new, that there is harvest of data within your organization to work with. Now, if you are completely and totally brand new, then other content marketing data may be useful other industry data may be useful. Almost every democratic society on the planet has a government that has publishing data that is available for download. And even frankly, some governments that are not democratic, still publish a lot of data that is accessible that you can work with. And you can practice with as well. So if you’re starting over if you’ve got something new from a data perspective, there’s a ton out there. Google for the magic term, the magic word when you Google for data is data set. So asking for data about for example, the laundry industry, you you wouldn’t necessarily just start like you know, laundry service data. You want laundry service data set one word, that data set word, because that’s something that folks who are compiling and publishing data tend to use more. So that’s a useful little tip to help you with that. So great question. It’s a frequent one. Remember that you are surrounded by data. There’s no shortage of it out there. You just have to know how to go find it, bring it in and start analyzing. As always, please leave comments in the comments box below. And subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Social Platforms to Leave Behind

    You Ask, I Answer: Social Platforms to Leave Behind

    Lisa asks, “Which social platforms do you wish you could (or are planning to) leave behind?”

    Without a doubt, Facebook. On the one hand, it’s a rich source of data. On the other hand, it’s an unethical company that is willfully permitting hostile foreign agents to manipulate societies with no serious effort at prohibiting such attacks because the money’s too good. The good news is that the tide is slowly turning. Watch the video for full details.

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    In today’s episode, Lisa asks, which social platforms do you wish you could or are planning to leave behind? Without a doubt Facebook, on the one hand, as a data driven marketer, Facebook is one of the richest sources of data and information that marketers can use. In order to drive campaigns, the the audience insights tool is invaluable, precisely because it contains so much information about so large percentage of the population. That’s really handy. I was doing some work this past weekend, looking at the media diet of people within certain geographic areas, and the ability to specify very narrow geographies, and be able to extract out the top 100 Facebook pages that those people like and then extract the top years worth of posts from those pages, to do analysis and say this is what people in this geography are being fed for their media. That is valuable information that helps guide things like marketing, messaging, political campaigns, product development, you name it. So on the one hand, Facebook is an essential resource for rich data about micro segments of your audience. On the other hand, it is a deeply unethical company that has very little no regard for users privacy, has very little or no regard for ethics in general, and is willfully permitting hostile foreign agents to manipulate societies with no serious, discernible effort at prohibiting such attacks, frankly, because the money is too good work in when Russian intelligence approaches Facebook through a proxy partner and says, Hey, we want to spend a couple million dollars a month on a campaign to promote far right parties in the EU for the EU elections phase was like, Sure, I’ll take that money. Never mind the fact that the overall intentions and the overall designs of what that organization is trying to do hard are deleterious and have a clear aim at the stabilizing most of Europe. Facebook’s not going to turn down that money. Now. The good news is, the tide is slowly turning in a couple of different ways one, users are leaving Facebook more frequently. Edison research had a report recently that Facebook was bleeding members in the US at the rate of 15 to 17 million people that is a substantial number and the United States of North America are Facebook’s want to Facebook’s largest markets. So that tide is slowly turning and as audience data becomes less available, Facebook is ratcheting down its its data availability, because of all the privacy issues that makes it less valuable to marketers, which means marketers are less likely to spend money there and will seek alternate opportunities. And so that is what will eventually change Facebook is that if people aren’t going to spend the money there, then the business can’t do as well. It does run the risk of Facebook being like the cornered animal where it will do anything to to get itself free of

    you know declining profits and may may behave more risky in a more risky fashion with our data rather than less. That’s distinct possibility. The other things that other ad networks are providing just as good or better results. We are seeing a lot of strong interest and good results in things like podcasting. YouTube advertising is fantastic if you know how to do it, right. YouTube, pre roll mid roll post roll ads, cards, true view, all that stuff, especially when linked with things like surgery marketing is is a valuable channel to look at. Twitter advertising, depending on the market, depending on the audience can be valuable. And good old fashioned email marketing. Yeah, the original social network is, is experiencing quite a renaissance as people start realizing. When you outsource your entire advertising system and polluting the data to a third party, you are at that third parties mercy. And we are seeing some marketers starting to realize, hey, we should probably own at least a portion of our data in order to be able to advertise any sustainable manner going forward. So in short, Facebook is is the 800 pound gorilla and like most empires, it will be doomed from within rather than through external forces. So that’s something to keep in mind. Now what do you do with this information, get as much value out of Facebook as you can. And if you do have to spend money with them, and and you’re okay with that from an ethics perspective of supporting and not unethical company, if you do have to spend money with them, focus on getting people off of Facebook, which means that run campaigns spend money to get people onto your email list or to get them to your website where a different retargeting system can can focus or get them to enroll in an SMS system or a messaging bot that doesn’t rely on Facebook’s messaging infrastructure. And remember that Facebook owns Whatsapp, Facebook owns Instagram. So we’ve seen some people saying, well, we’re really Facebook, we’re gonna we’re really Facebook, we’re going to Instagram. Still the same company. Focus on what you own, and what you can control because in the long run, that will be the most sustainable thing for your business, building your email list, building your text messaging list, your phone number list, your call list, your direct mail, postal list, all of that stuff is stuff that you will have the most value from in the long run. Now you have to protect that data, and you have to behave ethically with it. But if you’re leaving Facebook because of ethics issues, then hopefully you have your own code of ethics that you strong support you internally. So interesting question, Lisa, and will remain to be seen what happens over the next 12 to 18 months, particularly as we go through the EU elections, the Brexit votes, the US presidential election, how Facebook is used or misused by hostile foreign parties, and whether that eventually incurs strong regulation on Facebook and I would be willing to bet small pastry we tell the other $5 or less that if regulation comes to Facebook, it will be first through the EU because they are much less tolerant of big tech manipulating government affairs than then the US is so keep an eye on that. As always, please leave a comment in the comments below and subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter will talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you


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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Makes Engaging Content?

    You Ask, I Answer: What Makes Engaging Content?

    Lisa asks, “Think about brands you (as a consumer) trust and engage with most often online. Why does their content prompt you to engage?”

    We’ve all read many answers to this question over the years, and in the end, a consistent answer does exist. For creators, we use the 3L framework. For consumers, we use the 3E framework. Watch the video for more.

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    In today’s episode Lisa asks, What makes for engaging content?

    we’ve answered this question generally for decades

    in marketing ever since really mass media became available. So the real question is what’s what general framework should people be using? And we have two of them the three L and the three Eva three, L is for the Creator, the three is for the consumer or someone who is auditing the content, they’re essentially mirrors of each other. The three outcome framework is very simple for content creators. When you’re creating content, did it make you laugh? Did you learn something when you’re putting together or do you love it so much that you can’t help but tell

    a friend or loved one significant other all about the content even if they don’t work at your company, things like that.

    So those would be the big three pieces of guidance that you use for any piece of content. Did these things happen? Now on the consumer side, on the brand side, did the content engage you meaning did it didn’t get you to do something?

    Did it make you laugh, did entertain you, and did it educate? Again, those are the mirror sides, if you as the creator did those things, those are the outcomes that the consumer of the content should have gotten from.

    The hardest part for a marketer is going to be honesty, self honesty, self awareness. If you as the marketer are creating the content, like I gotta get this thing out of this, got a deadline, stuff like that, and you just kind of put something out there that didn’t make you laugh. You don’t love it, and you didn’t learn anything.

    When you’re putting together then yes, it’s going to fall flat. That’s just you put together not the best content that you that you could have. And it is a tricky balancing act is very difficult to create quality, meaning it contains the three L’s and quantity meaning you get the deadlines and the deliverables out the door when you need to. So it is a tough balancing act. I totally get that. But that’s the benchmark. Now

    do you does it need to be stuff that makes you laugh does it need to be stuff that makes that you love? Not, not those exact emotions, it can be any type of emotional evocation.

    But for brand safety, one of the things that’s going to be difficult is creating content that

    you have to be cautious. If you make content that makes people think you’re gonna you’re going to create engaging content, but is that content that you necessarily want associated with the

    Brand possibly not. So, again, make sure that if you’re, if you’re going to try for emotions, from a brand safety perspective, it’s generally safe to err on the side of positive emotions rather than negative emotions. But it really does come down to that self honesty, that self awareness to say, Yep, I learned something when I put together this content or this content made me laugh, or I can’t wait to tell my, my friends, you’re you’re out at dinner with them, or you’re out drinking with them or whatever. And, and,

    and you say, Hey, I can’t wait to tell you about this piece of content I created at work.

    That’s the measure. That’s the high watermark that says Yep, I’ve made content I’m proud of so

    as a marketer, you can take this framework and print it out, you can hang it at your desk, all that stuff, but

    you got to be self aware. You gotta be honest with yourself about it. So that’s, that’s how you create engaging content. As always, if you have any comments, leave them below.

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