Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Author: Christopher S Penn

  • You Ask, I Answer: Defining Career Moments

    You Ask, I Answer: Defining Career Moments

    Ashley and the LinkedIn team ask, “What is one of the most defining moments in your career and how has it shaped you as a marketer?”

    What a fun question. August 24, 2011 is a date that sticks out in my mind as a day that set me on my path today. Watch the video to find out what was so consequential about that date. This is a series of 3 questions; stay tuned for parts 2 and 3.

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    in today’s episode ashley and the team at linkedin ask what is one of the most defining moments in your career and how has it shaped you as a marketer

    if i had to look back over the length of my career and the direction it has been heading over the last 10 years probably one of the defining moments was august 24 2011

    and this is going to get super nerdy but the reason that date sticks out is that is the day that google analytics released assisted conversions and multi channel funnels which is a really big deal in analytics up until that point for the first really 15 years of the web we were all as marketers using last touch attribution what was the last thing somebody did that and we gave credit to that channel that campaign that tactic for generating the business we had no way really of going

    back in time and seeing what’s what else someone did in order to convert in order to, to do something of a meaningful business impact. On that day, Google pushed out its multi channel funnels, which allows you to track not only the last thing somebody did, but all the things somebody did leading up to that conversion, which significantly changed the language that we use as marketers about how people convert about what drives conversion, and what and how much credit should be given to any one given campaign or tactic or method for generating business. This really opening the door in a lot of ways for modern social media marketing, because up until that point, you know, Twitter got released to the public in 2007, Facebook in 2005. And without that assisted conversion tracking.

    We know for most businesses, social media is not the last thing somebody does before

    They make a purchase, right? Because especially if it’s a complex big purchase, not a whole lot of Gulfstream airplanes, or quarter million dollar SaaS software implementations are bought from a tweet.

    Not a ton of vehicles or real estate or bought from a LinkedIn post.

    But these channels,

    and social in general are contributing factors to those conversions by helping us build awareness by helping us build trust by helping us build credibility.

    And so when Google rolled out assisted conversions, because suddenly say, hey, this series of posts I’ve put on LinkedIn really matter because they are part of the path to conversion even, they’re not the last thing that somebody does. And this set the foundation for in my career, what was going to be a major focus from there on out a heavy focus on analytics, a heavy focus on data science, the technology that gives us a

    assisted conversions also gives us path analysis not only what channels were part of a conversion but then how do those channels interact which set the stage really for a couple years later for my first forays into machine learning in 2013 and today and as we’re recording this it’s early 2019 machine learning and artificial intelligence really are now my my specialties within the realm of marketing and marketing data but without that first

    glimpse of light about that there’s more to converge and then the last thing somebody did it would be i would i would say it would be difficult for me to be where i am today because that’s such a simplistic answer even though it’s mostly wrong it’s just such a simplistic answer that none of us i think would have put a whole lot of time or effort into thinking more deeply about all the ways that somebody can convert all the the steps within the customer journey even modern digital customer journey

    mapping the ability for us to, to use data to map out the customer journey in a in a data driven a factual way wouldn’t be possible without technology like assisted conversions and multi channel funnels, it simply would be out of our reach, we will not have that information. Today, we now have tools like Markov chain modeling and gradient boosting and all these fancy machine learning tools that can take that data and exponentially increases value by seeing exactly what works best. This is especially true when we don’t have complete data, but we have enough data to be able to at least begin and fairing mathematical relationships between data points, for example. It is somewhat difficult

    phrase, it’s extremely difficult to get any kind of competitive data out of LinkedIn or out of personal profiles, but you can see the traffic that comes from LinkedIn to your website.

    using multi channel funnels using machine learning using ai you can infer the value of that traffic and really get a sense of this is this is something that i should be doing more of or something i should be doing less of so that moment august 24 2011

    rollout of multi channel funnels really was a defining moment in my career so much so i referenced it in keynote talks that i do when i’m talking about attribution analysis it was a defining moment for me and for the industry overall and it’s one that i’m i’m still surprised when i talked to some marketers and not using even the basic built in feature in google analytics much less what you can do with that data but at least it’s there at least it’s available to all of us and and for those folks who have embraced it hopefully it has helped your career grow as well as always please leave comments in the comment box below this is actually going to be a three part series of questions that ashley and the linkedin team have about career defining things so

    Stay tuned for parts two and three coming soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Measurement Tips for Agencies

    You Ask, I Answer: Measurement Tips for Agencies

    Max asks, “What are some tips for agencies and freelancers for better business results in 2019?”

    Agencies and freelancers are notorious for skimping on measurement. In this video, I offer some guidelines about how much to spend on measurement and how to create a measurement plan.

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    In today’s episode, Max asks,

    What are your biggest tips for freelancers and agencies for getting the best results for your customers in 2019?

    Okay.

    I’m awful. The, the number

    one thing I see people not doing enough of, unsurprisingly, is measuring stuff. People have a tendency to simply spend all their time doing, and not investing enough time and enough resources. And measuring to figure out this is what really matters. The rule of thumb I’ve told people in the past and still holds true today is for every dollar you spend on marketing

    plan to spend 25 cents on

    the measurement and evaluation of it. If you’re going to spend

    100 grand on marketing plan to spend 25, on the measurement of it to see what work will always cost that much. Not necessarily. But you need to be able to have the resources available so that if you have to bring in expertise, to get you the answers that you need, or you need to buy the

    tracking software,

    with the equipment or whatever up front, you’ve budgeted for it.

    I remember I was working at doing some work at one point for a company that did, they were a retail store. And they were really, super insists on wanting to know how well was there out how effective was in marketing at bringing in foot traffic.

    And they had all this, these plans like the foot traffic is going to do this and this. But

    they didn’t have a single foot traffic counter in the in the store.

    So

    they set a measurement object, which is Atlanta was exactly you’re supposed to do. But then it didn’t have any way of actually tracking us they had to go and buy

    the system. But the little cameras and

    stuff that that track where people move around in the story, and it was very, very expensive, it was much more expensive than expected it to be had they budgeted

    the 25% in order to get the equipment installed, they would have been okay.

    The other thing people do wrong is that measurement

    comes for them at the end of the process. At the end of the the marketing process in the planning process.

    Your measurement strategy has to come up front because you need to know what you’re going to measure before you run the campaign.

    To the example the the retail store, they wanted to measure foot traffic,

    but they didn’t have any means of doing so. And had they

    solve that problem first.

    They would have been okay. One thing I see again, marketers do a ton of time is wrong is

    they will try to retro actively measure something, but they didn’t have the tracking in place to measure it from something as simple as you know, a specific goal in Google Analytics to something as complex as

    a certain type of ROI where they didn’t track the investment so they can’t do the return on their investment.

    If you don’t

    have that measurement strategy of fun if you don’t have the ability

    to put build the infrastructure for measurement you in in many cases,

    you cannot turn back time. Despite what shares songs as you cannot go back in time. And retro actively measure something you are not set up to measure in the first place. So

    if you want to succeed in 2019, you need a measurement plan. You need a measurement goal. And you need to do it

    as part of your overall plan.

    I need to you need to invest heavily in the measurement. So that you know whether you’ve gotten to a goal or not.

    There isn’t much more you can do that will be more impactful in your marketing. Because if you can’t measure it, your marketing can’t demonstrate his impact. You can say qualitatively

    Oh, yeah, people love what we had to say or people loved our trade show booth where people loved our i think but if you can’t quantify it,

    you can’t

    accurately demonstrate it

    impacts that’s that would be my my

    biggest tip for for agencies and freelancers.

    It’s especially important because I used to work in an agency and

    many measurement was always an afterthought.

    Measurement was something that

    people never put first, because for two reasons one was expensive.

    And too, if you’re not

    someone for whom measurement and analytics and quantitative work comes naturally,

    it can be intimidating.

    Oh, there’s there’s one more factor.

    One of the reasons why some people in some agencies, I’m being very specific. It’s it’s not everyone, it’s just some people.

    But some people don’t like measurement. Because

    once you measure something, you can evaluate its effectiveness. And there are some people in the agency world who are ineffective. They don’t get results. But they’ve managed to sort of stay under the radar. Because no one else is measuring. The only form of measurement they have is qualitative, like,

    Oh, yeah, Joe, such a great guy.

    Joe’s ROI is negative, but people like Joe, and so job may be able to get away with not delivering results. Once you implement a system of measurement,

    it becomes much harder to justify

    your

    investment in Joe as is and either and Joe asked to up level his skills, or your agency, or the freelancers you work with. may need to to change strategies about who they choose to work with. So that’s the other reason why measurement sometimes doesn’t rise to the top of the priority list. Again, not everyone, not everyone, just some people at some places

    would prefer that you not shine the light of day, and then the light of measurement on on what they’re doing. So

    great question max.

    As always, please leave your your comments below and subscribe to the YouTube channel on my newsletter.

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    analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Extracting Social Content Data

    You Ask, I Answer: Extracting Social Content Data

    Ateeq asks, “I just want to be able to get some conversations around Google Analytics from Facebook and Twitter programmatically. Is there a tool that does that or should I aim to write some code in Python?”

    You’re looking for social media monitoring. In this case, your best bets are tools like Talkwalker and Brand24. Unless, of course, you want content about it, in which case you want Buzzsumo. In this video, watch a quick tour of these three software packages as well as one of my favorite methods of analyzing this kind of data.

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    In today’s episode teak asks, I just want to be able to get some conversations around Google Analytics from Facebook and Twitter programmatically. Is there a tool that does that? Or should I aim to write some code in Python? Good question. You are looking for social media monitoring? Well, you’re looking for one of two things, you’re looking for social media monitoring, or you’re looking for content, visibility. So for social media monitoring, to have the tools that would recommend for this particular task would be either talk walker or brand 24. So let’s switch screens here.

    This is talk Walker talk Walker allows you to put in search terms at so I’ve got Google Analytics with and without the space here. And then for your specific request about things like Facebook and Twitter. You can isolate those channels and

    Provide reporting,

    for getting data out of these systems programmatically your, if you if you mean, you want to be able to take it out on a regular basis, you’re going to want to get access to the API’s for these companies. So here we have, we have Twitter and Facebook feeds. If when you look here, we’ve got, you can embed on another platform where you can use an RSS feed for the data. You can also use JSON feed as well.

    I typically will do CSV exports because I don’t have to do these on an ongoing basis usually have to do one shots. The other thing is you’ll you will notice there’s a substantial amount of non English here so you can use whatever the language of your choice is, if you want to use Arabic or Japanese or Russian or whatever, I forgot how many languages boarded, I can look.

    A whole bunch. So that’s that would be an option within talk Walker.

    extract the data. The same is true for brand 24. Go in, it’s set up your Google Analytics search, you can take a look at the mentions.

    And then you can do data, different types of data exports. And you can also set it up so that you can integrate with things like slack as well. And you can see there’s Facebook, there’s Twitter, you will get different numbers from the various different platforms and things. So you’ll want to make sure that depending on the type of data, you’re using, different social platforms are better at different things. So for example, let’s look at just the raw numbers here. I’m going to go with media types.

    So for Google Analytics in the last 30 days, talk Walker is pulling out 41,000 mentions of which the lion’s share are going to be

    Twitter and then at one Facebook mentions on the other hand on brand 24 when you look at that, they have pull 1000 Facebook messages

    for Google Analytics, only 5000 tweets so. So again, it depends on on which network you want different tools are going to be better at different networks. And if you want, both gonna have to, to subscribe to both. So that’s one set of options, the second set of options. The second option would be if you want to understand how content is is performing on these networks. So in this case, this is a tool called buzz Sumo put in Google Analytics.

    And now instead of what social posts on Twitter or on Facebook, our most popular This is instead of looking at which,

    which pieces of content which like web articles or blog articles were most shared on those different networks. So those are some options as well to look at

    if you want specific content to see what gets shared the most.

    Now, the question is what do you want to do with the information if you want to just get us

    what people are talking about maybe industry professionals of some kind, to understand what you should be saying, in conversation on those networks, you want to use social media monitoring hands down, to be able to talk the talk in my language that people are using. So I switched over here at the themes, for example.

    very broadly, I get a sense of everything that’s associated generally with this term, right? It’s a marketing tool. It’s calculations. It’s analytics. And then there are various different handles. Again, the different languages. However, if I want to use the data, to decide what content to create, if I’m if I’m looking for a longer form stuff,

    I will probably want to use an export the data out of buzz Sumo because you can get the URLs for each of these articles, and then build some text mining, some text analytics on

    What the top performing articles are. Typically when I do this, I will do a 9010 split. So I’ll take the top 10% of articles and analyze the major themes in an in that, and I’ll take the remaining remainder of the corpus. And I’ll analyze the themes that and what we’re looking for outliers, what are the things that are unique to the top 10% that are not in the bottom 90% if there’s a lot of content, in this case, there’s 943 articles. So you might want to do 2575. But that’s how you get the data from one of these three tools either talk Walker, brand 24, or buzz Sumo. And what you do with the data is exactly the same and in all those cases, you will take an export of it, and then you will start slicing and dicing it based on the top performing content and what it what it has in common. And then everything else. So interesting question, fun question. There’s a lot to be done in an analytics

    you will have to engineer a lot of the features yourself so by that i mean these tools provide really nice rich exports but at the same time they can only do so much with the compute power that they have while maintaining responsiveness and speed of applications you will need to do heavy engineering of your own if you want to use the data for machine learning for advanced analytics for data science

    these none of these software packages do that in a way that allows you to tune it and in a way that allows you to extract exactly the insights you want you’ll have to do the engineering itself so great question if you have follow up questions please leave them in the comments and of course please subscribe to the youtube channel and the newsletter i’ll talk to you soon one help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems this is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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  • Social Media Marketing World 2019 Day 2 Recap

    Social Media Marketing World Day 2 Recap

    Yesterday marked day 2 of Social Media Marketing World 2019. What were some of the key takeaways? Facebook gets rightfully stomped on, video rules, content shock continues, influencers don’t comply, and much more. Watch the video for full details.

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    In today’s episode recapping day two of Social Media Marketing World 2019 it was a crazy day in terms of a lot of the information shared by the various folks who are speaking. So to kick off the day Michael Stelzer, the founder talked about, he did a really nice recap of the history of Facebook in the last five years, and how it went from a marketer’s, best friend and this massively open platform to unify the world to increasing increasingly smaller and smaller and less open and less open until now. It is basically a completely self serving machine outside content doesn’t do well. marketing content doesn’t do well. It is only for what is AI optimizes for and for what people pay for, which I thought was a nice retrospective. He did have a

    Nice little takeaway in terms of a sort of a meme for your brain about marketing, and specifically about marketing on social networks, and that was that, instead of making a smaller impact on a bigger audience make a bigger impact on a smaller audience that I thought was helpful for folks to hear that they should stop trying to be a Kardashian right and focus on the audience they have and growing that not as quickly but trying to create much more loyalty. So people remember to go seek you out. He also was showing you the difference between Facebook’s video viewers and YouTube video viewers YouTube’s video of yours least in in his data, were much much more loyal, helpful.

    50% getting to the end of in many cases, five to seven minute videos, whereas he shows what he

    example where he had 20,000 on average 20,000 viewers start a video on Facebook, same five to seven minute video. And by the time they got to the end, the completion rate was was 19 out of those 20,000 so 19 people, so it was it was useful. Nick Nevin, who is a YouTube practitioner I felt like a quarter million subscribers really went over some useful stuff. Number one he advocated that we all and I will be doing this myself take the YouTube Creator Academy course just to learn the ins and outs in the same way that I advocate for Google’s analytics Academy would seem that we all have to get our homework done and go to YouTube Creator Academy so i’ll be doing that. Now. completely free of course, just Google for YouTube Creator Academy.

    He said the when you’re customizing your channel

    in a do it in

    Lot of time and I was actually actually had the trust insights YouTube channel up while he was talking just starting to make the changes right in the session.

    The new and returning user videos, there’s a section in the, in your channel where you can put a video to show you that new user or returning users and his advice was that is where you put your goal generating video videos. If you want people sign up for an email list, you want people to buy something you want people to do whatever, that’s the place that it goes. He said that’s the most valuable real estate on your YouTube channel from a video perspective, so make sure that that is where you invest some some time and that’s involved.

    He had a really good point on

    your videos when you run analytics on the on your videos, instead of looking at what gets views because use can be very transitory.

    Analyze which videos give you new subscribers if you go to YouTube Analytics you go into the the video

    Section, you have to add a column for subscribers. But then if you sort your videos by that you can see these are the videos that generate real loyalty because people are saying yes, I’m raising my hand I want to watch more from you. So that was very helpful.

    Ursula random did a fantastic session on influencer program. She runs the sap influencer program. And one of the interesting things there was that they do their influencer marketing, planning and budgeting on an annual basis. So instead of having it be one offs, like oh, we need an influencer for this event for this event, they actually try out the whole year and assign influencers based on their their editorial calendar, which is a smart way of doing it. And her co presenter Megan Connelly,

    talk very I thought when I don’t think spent enough time on

    regulatory requirements for influencers are much deeper than most marketers think.

    The example they were giving because SAP is a German company is GDPR GDPR. The general data protection regulation, the EU directive about piracy

    extends through your supply chain. So as part of your compliance, if you’re working with an influencer, they must also be GDP are compliant. If you want to make sure that you’re you’ve mitigated your risk, your influences have to be as compliant as you are, they have to adhere to your policies and vice versa,

    in terms of data sharing influencers may not necessarily be able to do as much data sharing, or have to go take additional steps to make sure that they are passing along audience to you in a way that is compliant, which was I think, an important part of that. Again, they had to they had to do a whole

    the whole session and but I think that could probably be its own session on on regulatory requirements for influencers because it is if you do

    Wrong, a very serious risk.

    The fine folks at buzz Sumo through a lunch yesterday and there’s a lot of

    talking about just content in general. But one step that I thought was really very aligned with this idea of Mark Schaefer, his idea of content shock was that in 2018, we, the planet cranked out 912 million blog posts. Now we think about it. That’s a lot.

    Last year trust insights did analysis of Google news stories, and we cranked out as a civilization like 93 million news story. So the fact that we basically did 10 X, the number of blog posts mean, it’s really just swimming in, in content. And it’s about as a prize that as as more marketers are creating more stuff. It’s getting that much harder to get eyeballs on things. And finally, I did my talk which you’ll be able to

    You want to see the slides moment you can go to where can I get the slides calm right now. And the video and stuff will be up. I think I kind of plane ride today’s I’m sure I can get video at least edited on the plane ride today, back to back to Boston. But one of the things we did after the talks was I did a dinner with talk Walker. And

    we had we did like a 45 minute presentation on using AI and data to make better social media marketing. And one of the key takeaways from that was that search, your search marketing and your social media marketing must work together, they must share data. If you don’t do this, what will happen is you’ll be essentially spending money twice because they can use a lot of the same data they can use. When you look at social trends can pull that data out, feed it to your search keyword and regenerate new keyword lists or enhance your keyword lists and then

    From that pass that data back to social media about when things will be trending. So there’s a lot of value that you can extract when you put those departments together. Ideally, all of your digital marketing team should be collaborating together. But search and social in particular

    are really really important to bond together to be sharing data frequently and at at volume. So that was day two of Social Media Marketing World today I’m going to catch about half of the show because I got to fly back early afternoon flight but

    lots of good stuff to work on and and things to do as next steps. In terms of the courses we can take an additional training. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel.

    And the newsletter, I’ll talk to you soon take care want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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  • Social Media Marketing World 2019 Day 1 Recap

    Social Media Marketing World Day 1 Recap

    Yesterday marked day 1 of Social Media Marketing World 2019. What were some of the key takeaways? Content marketing strategies from Robert Rose of Content Marketing Institute, a bit of AI, do handles matter on Instagram, and more. Watch the video for full details.

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    in today’s episode we recap everything that happened yesterday at day one of 2019 social media marketing world it was the all access workshops and stuff day

    a few takeaways i thought were really useful one robert rose from cmi content marketing institute did a fantastic job of outlining different content marketing strategies and three things that really stood out for me this as of mental takeaways that you can just keep in your mind if you’re if you’re trying to determine what kind of content strategy to go after he said you can with your content solve a small problem for big audience or solve a big problem for a small audience by being very specific and the problem that you solve

    You can either appeal to a large group of people or you can drive tremendous loyalty from a small group of people. And he gave a bunch of examples of this, but I thought that was just a really insightful way of of

    communicating in a very simple matter how to build your content. So that was really useful. He also outlines two case studies of companies that had identified non traditional competitors when it comes to content market.

    He said for Netflix, when Netflix looks at

    its competition and getting more eyeballs and getting more views and getting people to remain engaged with the service. They don’t view

    Hulu or YouTube board or,

    you know, network television as a competition. And he said, they view the number one biggest company

    editor for getting more views as sleep

    because you know that that occupies honestly the the lion’s share of most people’s day. So what can they do to claim more time? Which is interesting, slightly scary because sleep is really important. But I thought it was a very interesting point.

    He said when you look at the way Airbnb does its content marketing, Airbnb did market research and found that they were not in competition with hotels of the world. What they were in competition with was people choosing not to go anywhere, people who weren’t traveling. And so their content marketing strategy pivoted to

    focus on being like a travel magazine of sorts of getting people to convince the people yet you actually should go on a vacation you should go on a trip in order to drive you

    usage and adoption of their products. So those are some really clever

    and interesting ideas. I attended a session as well on AI for marketers, given by somebody who runs an ad agency. And it was an odd mash up of

    some of the basics of AI. But then the speaker name eludes me focused largely on just using Google AdWords and what things do and don’t work within Google AdWords, which was good.

    But it wasn’t really he he could have done and he probably has done the AdWords portion of that talking not needed the AI part because I don’t know that it added any value. A couple things that were cool takeaways. The true view for actions which is allows you to convert to only pay when someone converts was interesting because it does put a nice end cap. Call to Action on your videos and

    A lot of the new call cost per action stuff within AdWords of getting people only paying when you get a lead or a sale, as opposed to paying per click or per day or per impression, which in this day and age when Facebook is, you know, trying to get in my market share in advertising. And a lot of people having issues with the way Facebook does its pricing. I’d be an interesting advantage for Google. And then have some fun Hallway Conversations as well. We talked I was talking to Melanie Desi all about the use of data when, when and where and how to get more data for projects that you’re working on. And fundamentally, it comes down to sort of the the 60 framework for for data, one of which is comprehensive, what are the questions you’re trying to answer? And once you know that you can go out and find data that will inform or

    Deep in or broaden the points that you’re trying to make. And if you’re trying to do things like

    explain to people how to be creative, for example, there is a tremendous amount more data on creativity on the ways people measure creativity and things that would probably be useful.

    Jay Baer and I were sitting down in the speaker’s room, and we were talking about

    people who put like, like, tag 30 people per post on

    Instagram or Twitter. And so we used the data set that trust insights used for counting hash tag with a hash tags mattered and repurpose that to count the number of handled tags in posts to see does that matter? Does does that tactic work for driving engagement? And the answer is no, not really. What drives engagement is

    More than anything of courses is the content itself. And thanks, but in terms of a tactic to get people to pay attention to you, it’s not great, at least from the data set that we’re working on, which is about 4 million posts, on on Instagram and on Twitter. So some useful takeaways there. No need to spend a whole lot of time on hashtags. Someone, gosh, I forgot who was talking to. But someone wanted us wanted me to talk a bit about that study that we did on the first insights website about why hashtags don’t lead to more growth. And the short answer is

    when people search on Instagram, for example, they don’t actually search for the hashtag to search for the word right, you don’t search for hashtag coffee to search for coffee. So if your posts have naturally has those terms in any way, you’ll get the eyeballs regardless of whether you use the hashtag, which is a really

    Pretty basic observation. So today, a whole bunch of sessions to go to we’ll have some more interesting takeaways and things to share. But as always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel newsletter and talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Tools for Storing Valuable Information?

    You Ask, I Answer: Tools for Storing Valuable Information?

    Alessandra asks, “How do you keep/store/index all the information you read, and I am sure you read A LOT, that might be useful for future presentations/consulting/business development activities?”

    Terrific question – it depends on what the information is.

    • Photos: Google Photos. The AI is unbeatable.
    • Notes: Evernote.
    • Short ideas: Apple Reminders.
    • Mind maps: Mindnode maps of major concepts.
    • Frameworks: Powerpoint
    • Audio: Otter.ai
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    In today’s episode, Alessandra asks, How do you keep store index all the information to read, and I’m sure you read a lot that might be useful for future presentations, consulting business development activities? terrific question.

    It depends on what the information is.

    So as you pointed out, there’s a lot of different information out there, there’s a lot of different types.

    So I personally use different tools for different types of information, there are some people who are really, really intent on using one place to store everything.

    And that’s fine, if you have the tools to do that.

    And you got the space to do that.

    I and I would say, it’s also important to think about what what is comfortable for you.

    So for a number of years, I I am a bunch of other folks had to sort of use Microsoft one note, because it was part of office 365, when the company was working at at the time, that was the thing and I couldn’t get into it.

    Even though people talked about how good it was, I just could not get into one note, and so never, never really made that work.

    So it depends on what you you personally feel comfortable with.

    Now, for for images, any kind of image, photos, screenshots and stuff, I use Google Photos, it has the best AI hands down for being able to automatically tag and catalog your images and then retrieve them later.

    So if you like French restaurant, you type into the search box.

    And it finds everything that it thinks is a French restaurant.

    And more often than not, it’s it’s pretty good.

    So what I think I have something close like 400,000 photos in there.

    Obviously, I’m not going to spend the time to autumn to tag and categorize that many photos.

    But if I can do that, if I can have an AI do that, absolutely going to do that for notes themselves.

    Like right down ideas.

    There’s two places for that for short form notes.

    I use apples reminders.

    And the reason I use apples reminders is that I can write down notes quickly using Siri, I could just, you know, hey, set a reminder about hierarchical ontology and SEO.

    And it’s good enough that store that little idea until later.

    For longer form stuff like writing things like what things I want to write down, I will use Evernote and store those things there.

    Or, you know, snippets of code, I store ton of code in Evernote, just a little little snaps and things read your regular expressions and such for links, like things on the web, I use pocket pocket because it again stores it into one place.

    And pockets API allows me to then get data out of pocket and bring it to somewhere else, which is a key ingredient for me for being able to curate content and reshare it in an efficient manner.

    four major concepts that I haven’t fully baked I store I built in store those in a mind mapping software, I use my node for the Mac.

    And this is where I either got an idea that I’m trying to explore.

    Or I need to be able to move things around inside of an idea.

    So like, I’m putting together a new keynote speech moving pieces and things in a way that is much more fluid than cutting and pasting or having a bullet point outline.

    I don’t work as well in those environments.

    That’s me personally, there are other people who cannot use mind maps, they hate them, and they just can’t find anything.

    That’s totally okay.

    Right? Everyone does this stuff differently for the baked goods in terms of like, this is a now a framework, this is something that I’m gonna put my company’s logo on, that all goes into PowerPoint I have, and there’s a video in the past, good backups dig it up.

    It’s called a golden cookbook.

    And it’s the idea of a golden Rolodex, right? This is all the stuff that you created over however many years you’ve been in business that you value, for example, make a marketing framework or social media framework or some kind of diagram that communicates an idea quickly and easily store those in PowerPoint.

    So it wasn’t just one one big deck and to let that deck evolve over time, keep it clean, too.

    Because if you don’t keep it clean, it gets really unwieldy very, very quickly.

    I have a whole section on the consultants in two by two matrix ease and every now and again to go in and go, Oh, this was a, you know, repetitive to the last three agencies that are in here for audio, if it’s speech, it goes in otter otter.

    ai Auto transcription of the spoken word essential, absolutely central, nothing better for for that in terms of cost and efficiency and getting and getting good output.

    And finally, for video, YouTube, again, auto transcription of videos using the auto closed captioning features.

    If you have video that you’ve captured, which is in a language other than the one that you speak, the auto is closed captions can do translation, it does not do it well.

    But it can do it enough that if you have a sense of what the person is saying already, it can help you get a little bit more context.

    It especially struggles with non Western languages or Western languages from better better outside of like the romance languages, doesn’t do a good job with us.

    I occasionally will watch like videos from the Ukraine and it’s Ukrainian to English translation is pretty bad at and partly because Ukrainian, Russian or similar languages and a miss identifies Ukrainian a lot is Russian.

    But if you want to be able to watch a video in another language and get some subtitling, YouTube is the only place to do that right now.

    So that’s where I store all my stuff.

    And that’s again subject to change.

    Things happen over time tools change I do, I store a lot of ideas in just plain text files in the markdown format, which is a variant of plain text because plain text never becomes unreadable.

    Some document formats over time, like if you go into Microsoft Word, for example, and you click the Save as button and there’s like 15 different kinds of Microsoft Word 97.

    Where do thousand word 2010s, that’s too much too risky for me, compared to good old fashioned plain text which a plain text note written in 1993 perfectly reasonable today.

    So keep that in mind to think of a long term and common easily shared formats.

    But good question.

    The better thing keep in mind is having a sort of a mental map of what stuff you’ve done and where you store it or what stuff you’ve read.

    So you do need some level of either search or categorization and I think that’s an important piece.

    Like I said, Google Photos that search obviously very good Evernote has built in search to it.

    The Mac itself has a credible search engine locally gold spotlight, a PowerPoint deck is easily searchable, YouTube is easily searchable, so having search available for your content is is important so you can go back and find things later.

    So really good question.

    Fun question.

    I would love to hear what you use because I’m again always looking to see what people are using for their stuff.

    So if you use a tool mentioned that isn’t in this list, please leave it in the comments below.

    Or feel free to put it in the analytics for marketers Slack channel because this stuff is fun.

    This is like Christmas you get to open new packages all the time and see what they do.

    And as always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems.

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  • Thinking Outside the Box: Two Stories

    thinking outside the box

    One of management’s longest-standing tropes is the expression, “think outside the box”, a reference to the 9 dots problem. In this problem, a businessperson is given a sheet of paper with nine dots on it, and directed to connect all the dots by drawing four lines, without the pen ever leaving the paper. In order to successfully solve the problem, you must draw outside the perceived boundaries of the box:

    nine dots problem diagram

    Management consulting has taken this literal solution of thinking outside the box and turned it into a cliche. However, the lesson remains relevant – solutions to challenging problems may require thinking outside conventional assumptions.

    At a CEO retreat I attended a while back, participants who’d been in business for decades shared stories of thinking outside the box, of finding solutions that were unconventional and atypical, but solved the business problem at hand. These are just two of the stories shared.

    Turning Crisis into Opportunity

    A manufacturer of a durable good faced a plant closure due to environmental concerns. They had to close the plant and building a new one in a permitted area away from where their current plant was located. The problem was, the local government told them the plant had to be closed in 3 months, and the time to build a new plant was at least 18 months.

    How did they solve for such a difficult problem? They couldn’t afford to be out of commission, not generating revenue, nor serving customers for 15 months. They approached all the customers of their product and said, here’s the situation. They laid everything out and then said, “we’re going to give you the opportunity to buy two years of inventory at favorable pricing right now so that you can stock up and not run dry while we rebuild”. Amazingly, almost all of their customers took the deal, which not only kept their business alive, but gave them the capital they needed to build their new plant without taking on significant debt.

    Making Multiple Stakeholders Happy

    The second story was about how to deal with the inherent competition between using a distributor and selling directly to the consumer, a fairly common problem. Distributors hate competing against direct to consumer sales because in many cases, the manufacturer undercut them on pricing or eat into their margins. Some companies work around this by setting up territories or forcing exclusive agreements, neither of which is the best strategy to increase overall growth.

    Goodyear, the tire company, went outside the box and started manufacturing an entirely separate line of tires for their distributors that were not in direct competition with their direct to consumer goods. They were sold by distributors who could market them as Goodyear-branded tires, but with different features and benefits than the direct to consumer product. As a result, Goodyear effectively doubled what it could sell and kept its distributor network happy and profitable.

    Listen When The Opportunity Presents Itself

    Too often, we fail to pay attention to stories. Technology solves a great many problems, but technology is hardly the only solution to our problems. In the Japanese martial arts, the term sensei means someone who has gone before you and can show you the way.

    When you have the opportunity to listen to war stories and tales of campaigns past, pay attention. Take notes. These stories become part of your own marketing and strategic DNA, and you never know when you’ll need them. Learn from the experiences of those who have gone before you, and you may both avoid their mistakes and replicate their successes. The best way to find solutions outside the box is to see who’s already drawn outside of it.

    Author’s note: this post was originally published in 2012 and has been updated several times since. The most recent update provided the example of the 9 dots problem.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Comprehensive Social Media Analytics?

    You Ask, I Answer: Comprehensive Social Media Analytics?

    Beatrice asks, “Can you recommend a tool to tie social media data and surface best performing content, campaigns, ads cost, abnormalities, and ROI?”

    In a word, no – at least not in the sense of a prepackaged, off the shelf product. You’ll have to do that yourself. There’s a multistage process for doing so. Watch the video for a high-level walkthrough of the overall process.

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    In today’s episode, Beatrice asks, Can you recommend a tool to tie social media data together and surface best performing content campaigns, ad costs, abnormalities and R Y? Well, in a word, no, at least not in the sense of a pre packaged off the shelf product that will just do it for you.

    You’re gonna have to do this yourself or obviously bringing a partner to help you do it.

    But it is a doable thing.

    I’m actually working on a project like this for one of my customers, which is has taken a long time and ISA still ongoing process on.

    The reason for that is that it is.

    The question here is many part.

    There is a data science aspect.

    There’s a exploratory data analysis expects there are.

    There’ll be some requirements to use things like machine learning, and in this case, there’s a whole bunch of things going on.

    So let’s unpack this question through the lens off the data science life cycle because I think that’s a good place to start.

    Let’s brings up here the data science life cycle begins with the definition off the goals.

    And in this case, in Beatrice is question.

    If we unpack, this is actually multiple goals.

    There is a goal to surface best performing content.

    There is a goal to look at.

    Ads cost There’s a goal for for anomaly detection.

    And then there’s this goal for R O.

    Y, and they will require separate techniques in orderto pull these things apart.

    For example, our wise actually a serious of statistical mathematical computations around the pricing and cost of your advertising, detecting abnormalities and anomalies that is, ah, data science for sure, machine learning somewhat on then for best performance.

    Even though it sounds simple, there is actually a set of machine learning tools that you would use to identify what variables lied to your best outcomes so that definition parts Step one of this multi step process is an important one.

    From there you have to ingest the data.

    This is harder than it sounds, too, because every social platform has its own AP eyes.

    Many of them have restrictions on what you can extract out, and you’ll probably have to use third party data sources so if youse ah posting tool like Agora pulse.

    If you brand monitoring tools like Talk Walker and Brand twenty four, If you use competitive monitoring tools like Spread Fast and Sprinkler and sprout social and simply measured, you’re going to see all these different tools that will have repositories for your data and don’t forget, then you have to go into Google Analytics and get data.

    How There you have to go into your marketing automation system.

    Get that out of there.

    Get Do you see around? Get data out of there.

    So that’s ingesting all these different data sources and finding a way to bring them into one place so that you could do analysis on them.

    The third step is the analysis of the data itself, and this is this is analyzing the condition of the data, says not even doing the full exploratory data analysis.

    This is just what did we get? Is it in good condition? Other anomalies with things that you need to fix in the data itself? Boys.

    Your Google analytics tracking code off for two days by accident? All those things.

    The next step is to repair the data.

    Fix it up clean up any things that are need to be removed.

    Normalize it some measurements.

    If you want to be able to do effective attribution analysis, you have to do some level of normalization and converting things to a different scale so that you could do apples to apples comparison.

    So there’s a lot of that repairing and cleaning and then preparing the Dina getting it ready for you.

    For your thorough analysis.

    The next step after that is augmentation.

    You need to be able to bring in more third party data.

    So search data, for example, is incredibly powerful and important when it comes to doing social media and house because you want to know if your audience is what they’re looking for, mirrors what they’re talking about and if, if so, you can use that later on.

    So you want to bring in that augmentation.

    Now you’re finally ready to do the data exploration it took a while to get here.

    The data exploration, his one.

    You look at men’s and maxes and mediums and core tiles and the characteristics of the data said.

    What is in this thing? What? What questions is, are you capable of answering with and If you can’t answer the question, you have to go back to the start and bring in new data and repeat those initial cycles.

    After that, you do your comparisons to figure out what happened, What’s important, what’s not.

    And then your predictions.

    What are the things that we need to build a forecast forward? So when we’re talking about things that are a Y or best performing content, can we predict what content performs the best? You’ll build some hypotheses around that you will prescribed based on the data.

    So if we know that Ah, Twitter tweets on Tuesdays are important, we wantto be able to prescribe something from that.

    All this rules up into a model.

    Yeah, it can either be a machine learning Moloch or statistical data science model, whatever.

    But it has to be something that essentially is the playbook of how your data behaves, and that gives you some rules and guidelines for what to do.

    Then you validate that model and refine it.

    Hypothesis testing If tweets on Tuesdays of the thing, then was due more treats on Tuesdays and see if our numbers go up off the key that keep before it’s in case we care about go up.

    Once we’ve proven that the model actually works, we deploy it on the observe and make sure that the models continues to work in the field.

    This process, it’s a lengthy process, and it’s an expensive process.

    But if you do it right, it has multiples on your return on investment because it makes everything else you do impactful.

    But is there a tool to lose? No, not even close.

    This is to do something like this requires typically multiple tools and custom code, so you’d have a big, big database of some kind.

    I personally use Google big query a lot for for stuff like this, there’s a programming language that sits on top of it.

    I use program in which our other people will recommend things like Python.

    You can use tools like IBM Watson Studio to help with some of this, especially.

    You wantto have a continuous production model, but that it gets even more expensive and you want to do this is a proof of concept.

    First, to make sure there’s that they’re there, and you can answer these questions before you drop a couple million dollars on a system and then you roll this out and you have it in production and have systems and software monitoring your model to make sure it’s working.

    So process wise, you would would build a proof of concept, proved that there’s there.

    They’re up level into production, deploy it and then and then monitoring not ongoing basis.

    It’s again.

    It’s not easy.

    It’s not fast and there is absolutely nothing off the shelf that we’ll do this.

    Beware of any vendor that makes the bold claim that they can do any of these things together.

    You can have individual point solutions that can help you with little things like you know what content had the most engagements.

    But that is only in a tiny silo.

    It is not a comprehensive picture of all the activities that you do have all the data you have access to.

    Oh, the tools could help you with ad cost.

    Of course, that’s fine.

    If you’re if you’re trying to confine your study just to that little piece of data.

    But if you want the big picture, this is the process you have to do.

    Ah, it’s a lot.

    If you have any further questions, please leave them in the comments.

    Otherwise, please subscribe to the YouTube channel in the newsletter.

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  • Fun Fact Friday: Social Influencer Benchmarks

    Fun Fact Friday: Social Influencer Benchmarks

    In today’s episode, I take you behind the scenes for what went into the Trust Insights 2019 Social Media Influencer Benchmark report. Learn why we chose the measures we did, what surprises we found along the way, and how the report could save you a whole bunch of money on influencer marketing. Watch the video, then get your copy of the report here.

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    In today’s episode a bit of behind the scenes on the new trustee and sites 2019 social media influencer benchmarks report would you can get trust insights.ai slash influencer benchmark this report is something that originally was actually going to be just a initially it’s just like a single infographic but then as start pulling the data to get this like wow this is a little bit more than just a one page infographic although certainly can have

    the top line results so some behind the scenes about how we put this thing together This is a really fantastic service from Facebook they bought a company a number years ago called crowd tangled which is available for free but only to academics, researchers and journalists and anybody who was grandfathered in from the from when it was a separate company that was a paid service and we

    What’s amazing about crowd tangle is that it allows you to gather up lists of accounts or they provide pre made lists of essentially influencers of wall of any public account on facebook twitter instagram and read it and we took the top influencer lists from Facebook Twitter and Instagram because those are the sort of the Big Three that people tend to use a lot these days and pulled a set day by day because there’s so many posts day by day everything that those influencers were posting this is about 50,000 influencers on each network so hundred 50,000 total all of those decent amount of overlap particularly between Twitter and Instagram this

    like I forget exactly how much but it’s it’s the majority isn’t isn’t overlap

    and extracted out 4 million posts per network

    and put it all together in this massive database and then

    From the database, we used the our programming language didn’t have to do a whole lot of machine learning really any I mean nothing that you would classify as like high end machine learning. Because a lot of what’s in a lot of what’s in the benchmark is statistical in nature. It’s not something that requires advanced computation, looking at things like means and medians and modes and stuff. And basic stats is stuff that are as a programming language does have a box really brilliantly so not much in the way of machine learning, but a lot of statistical analysis. So what were some of the things that we found

    let’s bring this up here. I mean, I call it up it’s easier to see the graphic

    the

    the Instagram top to your audience. So one of the things we did was to divide the audience into decimals which is like a core Tyler quintile, but decibel meaning 10 so take every large audience and divided into 10 pieces of the top 10% to the bottom 10%

    and we had to look at what

    Was that top tier the people that everyone’s always looking at, like the mega influencers? How big are those audiences? And one of the thing that’s funny about social media marketing in general, but social media specific as you have to use mediums a lot, because what happens is

    it’s sort of like a Pareto principle at 20, right? Where there’s a few influences the very high end who like ginormous Lee famous, and then there’s a whole bunch of people who aren’t. And if you use an average, those outliers at the very top end skew everything and it makes it makes the data unreliable. Like for example, if five people were sitting in a room of the five normal people single and Bill Gates was in the room,

    or Jeff Bezos was in the room. The average salary would be something like half a billion dollars, but only one of the people in that room was a multi billionaire. And so you have to use the medium and a lot of cases for social media data. So I was surprised to find the Instagrams the medium.

    Top to your audience for those people in the top 10% about 5 million people, whereas for Twitter and Facebook is about 8 million people so Instagram, even though it is the the influence of platform does your

    deal isn’t the people the top and don’t have, you know as as large an audience as they do on those other two networks that are arguably more mature older, but Instagram’s engagement rate is

    literally 70 times better than Facebook’s, and something like 100 times better than a little bit less than 100 times better than Twitter’s. So if you’re looking for

    where to spend your time getting influencers if your audience is on Instagram, Instagram is the place the engagement rates are fantastic and this is a really important clarification about the support. These are the benchmarks across the audiences. We did not segment down into specific industries and verticals or niches or even in the

    Inside your micro audience, because,

    well, frankly, that’s be like 5000 page report, no one read it, but

    your mileage will vary, right? Unless you are rock, right? Or unless you are

    a Kardashian or Warren Buffett or whatever you’ll be able to talk to your influencers you’re going to get different results. And one of the interesting things I found in the report was that when we were putting it together

    micro influence is this idea of people who are not like super mega famous but have maybe one or five or 10,000 followers actually get much higher engagement rate says Dave Cutler calls that the law of diminishing influencer returns but if you are working on building up your company’s following and your audience and your community emphasis on community,

    you don’t need big numbers to get good engagement rates and to be able to be seen by the algorithms and

    For the love of all that’s holy in whatever you profess, do not buy followers do not buy audiences because it just damages your engagement rates like crazy. So please don’t do that. And if you have, do that, maybe unfollow those people or something like that.

    So there’s a lot to unpack in the support. How you should use it is you want to use it in three ways. You want to use it to calibrate your strategies, or as to which platform to be on remembering that your mileage will vary. You want to use this to set expectations with if you’re going to be paying money to an influencer, you want to have an idea of where they stand in terms of because one of the pages in here we actually show by tier so if you’re buying somebody who’s got, you know, a half million influence audience members, then their engagement rate for that should be close to 1% on Instagram, right? So if you if you buy in and you get like one 10th of 1%, then you know that that influence was not up to scratch you can all

    Also use social media monitoring tools or

    you know social social intelligence tools to figure out is is that person worth buying so now you can evaluate the influence of before you spend money and say like wow you’re really below the benchmark for an audience your size so why should I pay you you know $40,000 if your your individual data is is so far below the median and you can use it to benchmark your own efforts right if you got a couple thousand followers on Instagram check out your engagement rates and say hey actually we’re not doing so bad so there’s a lot to unpack in the report it is free you can get it at trust insights AI slash influencer benchmark I hope you enjoy it find it useful and can and can make some good decisions with your influencer marketing with it so go pick up your copy today and thanks for watching as always, and please subscribe to the YouTube channel on the newsletter take care want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trusted insights.ai

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Tactics for Building Followers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Tactics for Building Followers?

    John asks, “I see you have a massive amount of followers and was wondering how you did you do this?”

    There’s an expression in the martial arts that explains a lot of this: energy flows where attention goes. The question is, how are you catching attention? And how are you keeping it? For more than a decade, the “secret” of keeping attention for me has been my newsletter.

    That said, there’s a mind shift I want you to make. Stop thinking about followers. Start thinking about community.

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    In today’s episode, john asks, I see you have a massive amount of followers. I was wondering how did you do this?

    Well

    so there’s there’s an expression in the martial arts that explains a lot of this. And yeah, I learned it from one of my teachers can savage from the Winchester Martial Arts Center who said that energy flows where attention goes, you direct somebody’s attention somewhere, and their energy goes with it. And the same is true for groups of people as well. If you can catch somebody’s attention, you can direct it and where you have attention, you direct their energy, which may be things like getting them to follow getting them to sign up for things eventually, ideally, some percentage of people you can get them to buy something. And for those people who won’t buy something you get them to be evangelists to talk to other people to get

    To buy something but

    there are two questions number one, how do you catch attention? And how do you keep it now I’ll tell you one of the secrets of keeping attention that I’ve used for a decade now wow it’s been a decade

    has been an email newsletter I send out a weekly email newsletter that just offers perspectives and recaps a lot of the important stuff that happened during the week being able to do that allows me to provide value

    now here’s here’s the shift in mindset that I want you to make. Stop thinking about followers

    and start thinking about community it’s a change in your mental thinking hit the delete key on the word followers and and type over that the word community because what you want is not a mindless clustering of people just passively sitting around what you want or people who are in your corner. You want people who are supportive of you.

    You want people who are supportive of your brand of your company, if somebody says something negative about your company, you want those people to be the first ones jumping in, you know, with the, with their, their gloves on, ready to ready to throw down a little bit.

    But you could only get that through community, you can’t get that, through passive followership, and there’s a framework for building community if that works really well. It’s a lot of work. It is a lot of work, but it works really well for getting people to unite around a common interest. So let’s go ahead and put this up here.

    This is the framework of effective community management. There’s a PDF that you can download. I’ll put a link in the notes below that you can grab the PDF from. Nope, don’t need to fill out a form just grab it off the website. But the pieces are all about the things that you do for your community. You have to give first a lot in order to eventually get

    So you have to put that in your head to anytime you’re talking about growing an audience, whether it’s followers, whether it’s a community, whether it’s an audience, you have to give way more than you take.

    So what do you have to give, you have to give content, what stuff is valuable? What would legitimately help people and probably won’t even benefit you, right? You have to share stuff, give stuff, create stuff for people like this framework, right? giving this away, just giving it to the world,

    you have to engender conversation. If to stimulate conversation. Your community has to have a common interest of some kind. So

    the slack group that I run with the rest of the trust Insights Team, we call it analytics for marketers, because it’s for people who are interested in this have this common interest there has to be something something greater than you as the common interest it’s it’s fine for them to want it.

    Talk to you. But there has to be more to it than that than just the common interest. You have to care which is hard. If you don’t like people believe me, I know

    but you do have to care about your community. And it’s it’s easier when you have a common interest. It’s easier when you have conversations with people because you do develop relationships with those people and that’s your community, your tribe and those your your folks from the olden the way I feel about is I love I love my community, the rest of the world can go burn

    you have to create connection within your community. So the really important thing to do is to have to be the hub and broker connections between community members to say hey, you know Bob over here was looking for some help with email marketing. And Sarita over here she she’s a real issue outstanding email marketer. Let’s make sure that the two of them are connected so that people know who they are.

    need to have control over your community in the sense of providing guidelines and guardrails keeping people from Behaving Badly real simple example. You know, you just gotta knock out the spammers. There’s folks that are Russian and the first thing you do is post that long diatribe about themselves or or promotional stuff and just got to get the ban hammer and knock them out.

    You need to have a community platform that allows you to reach people

    in a in an unfiltered way. So a con course one of the reasons why we use slack is because we tried Facebook groups didn’t work Facebook’s algorithm throttled so much that people never saw anything we posted which is terrible. So out with Facebook in with slack

    and your platform can change if you’re targeting a certain demographic big gaming demographic. You better be building on discord because that’s where people are. If you are if you have a group of people who are

    Super privacy minded, maybe build on mastodon or telegram or something. But you need a good concourse, you need to be able to cure people to remind them to to gently prompt them to participate. So you, however, whatever tool you choose, needs to be able to reactivate people. And of course, you need to be able to measure, measure your community, measure the health of your community, see how it’s going, getting analytics for your community. If you do all these things, but predominantly give value start conversations and care about people in your community. You will grow it it will take time. You can accelerate the initial capital of attention with things like advertising dollars, and you know, public relations campaigns and evangelists and influencers and all that stuff. But

    you still need to be very patient because it will take a long time to grow a community

    I have

    pipe and 27,000 followers on LinkedIn. Now I have almost 100,000 on Twitter. This is after the result of a decade right? It is not overnight days. great success now this is what its expression 10 year overnight success. Yeah.

    So be prepared to invest for the very long term for building a community. And here’s the other thing and we’re going to have some research from trust insights real soon,

    probably tomorrow about this, but you won’t you don’t need a ton unless you are like Walmart you don’t need a ton of people in your community. You don’t need millions of people to be influential to achieve your business goals. You need the right people and maybe you know a couple thousand at most to really get rolling

    because if you’re as long as you’ve got that common interest and

    You serve that common interest? Well, you will find that there will be plenty of people who want to work with you in some fashion. So it doesn’t take much. So how do you do it? You give way more than you take. And you do it for a really long time. no easy answers, no fat, no shortcuts. Unfortunately, that’s just the way it is. If you want something that is sustainable, that will work for you in the long term. So great question. I hope that you take away remove the word followers and replace it with the word community and you will be in a much better headspace for for building for the sustainable future. As always, please leave your comments in the comments below and subscribe to the YouTube channel. In the newsletter I will talk to you soon want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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