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Alex asks, “Can you automate culture? Corporate culture and automation are two of the most prolific terms in the business lexicon, but what is their relationship?”

HJ Leavitt’s 1964 framework for people, process, and platform shows how these different areas interact. Culture is very much a people thing, while automation is a process and platform thing. If we look at the definition of culture – the customs, habits, traditions, social institutions, and achievements of a social group – there’s almost nothing there you’d want to automate.

Businesses tend to be bad already at fostering culture – it’s one of those things baked into your business DNA, guided by your values and how well people embody them – which is in turn driven by hiring and what people are held accountable for. You can certainly automate individual processes, but not the culture as a whole – and even there, beware. Automation will tend to get you more of what you already have. Watch the video for details.

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In today’s episode, Alex asks, Can you automate cultural

culture? corporate culture and automation are two of the most prolific terms in the business lexicon, but what is their relationship?

Um, can you automate culture know.

So here’s why.

In 1964, hJ love, it came up with a framework, the diamond of productivity, or something along those lines, I can’t remember the exact term. But that has since been distilled down by many, many expensive consulting firms into people process and technology, or people process and platform. The three P’s,

when you look at the intersection of those automation and culture live in different

sections of that diagram. So in fact, let’s bring up the lovely diagram.

People this who’s doing stuff, right, the people part is where culture lives.

When we talk about automation, we’re talking about the the integration of process and platform,

how you do stuff and what you do stuff with.

You can see there’s really very little overlap

between platform

and process. And people is that little section in the middle, which is, I guess, winning or general strategy, but for the most part,

the intersection of process platform doesn’t hardly touch people. What is culture? When if you look at the dictionary definition, which I like, let’s bring that up here.

The customs, habits, traditions, social institutions, and achievements of a social group.

There’s almost nothing there, you’d want to automate?

Not realistically, I can’t think of

anything at that macro level that you would want to have machines doing. I mean, can you imagine having machines automate weekly staff meeting if that’s a

if it’s a cultural institution at your company, or beer cart Friday having a robot driving around the beer cart that that would be efficient, but it would not be

very human. And and when we’re talking about culture, we’re talking about human stuff.

businesses in general already tend to be really bad at creating culture, it’s one of those things that happens I it’s kind of a nice overlap with the idea of culture as like bacteria, a bacterial cultures I’m lips grows, based on the environment, that it’s in

your culture, as a business is typically baked into your DNA as a company, it’s guided by your founders. It is guided by your values, the values that this founder set, and that the founders live. And it is guided by who you hire.

But and how you hold the people that you hire accountable for to and for those values. That’s the short definition of culture. And there’s not much you can automate at that macro level, you can absolutely automate individual processes, but not the culture as a whole. And even there, even though you’ve got to be careful. automation, by definition, is making what you already have work better or faster, right. So it tends to get you more of what you already have. Which means that if you have a bad culture,

you’re going to automate pieces of it like you know, parts of the hiring process that will get you what you already have, but more of it pastor.

A really good example of of where this went awry, last year was Amazon got itself into a whole bunch of hot water because they train the machine learning system and artificial intelligence system to

extensively speed up the hiring process. And they fed it a whole bunch of training data and said, I want you to take these pilot 500 resumes and give me the five people that I should call. And to no one’s surprise, except there’s apparently, it didn’t select any women. Why? Well, because all the training data they fed to it was heavily biased against women. So of course, the automation is going to get them more what they already have.

No one said, from a diversity perspective, hey, we may need to make sure this is gender balanced or ethnicity balanced or sexual orientation balanced or any of those things, it was not part of the computation, it was just a sort of almost blind automation, which is really, really bad. So automation will get you more of what you already have. If you’re not happy with what you already have, then automation is not going to be the answer for

creating or or pitch the culture cultures, cultures, a lot like a battleship, right takes a long time to change, it takes a long time to turn to go into new directions.

Even at small organization, it takes time. At our company trust insights, you know, we added one person, one person, one headcount in 2018.

And that changed the culture and the dynamics among the three of us, but not substantially, right, it took a while for us to be a slightly different company. And now. And part of that’s because when you have things like values,

you want to make sure that everyone adheres to those values. And so unless you’re radically changing your values, and not going to radically change your culture, particularly if you

if those values are are very people based things like here’s what we believe are here’s what we will not do.

So,

can you automate culture? No, I don’t think so. Hey, you can automate individual processes, but funding mentally, culture is a

human, human centric function in the company. And you can create opportunities for people to express that culture in new ways.

But it is it is human first and foremost, it’s not something that the machine is going to do. And it’s not something you want the machines doing, at least not right now. Maybe has our technologies that natural language generation and our ability to get better at natural language recognition improve. We will see more thing more opportunities for machines to work with us.

But not soon.

Great question. super interesting question because,

yeah, it is a heavily overused term,

but they dine at separate tables for now. all bets are off for the future. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems.

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Clarissa asks, “Question: I publish a book and set up a series of ads using Google Ad Words and the link goes to the Amazon Page. How do I set up tight tracking for the success of the ads, where success = book sales?”

This is a challenging situation because Amazon gives you very limited analytics. There are a few ways you can handle this kind of tracking. You will need the assistance of a programmer to do this – it’s not something that’s possible with off the shelf tools. Watch the video for full details.

• Build a model of clicks to sales – what percentage of clicks turn into sales?
• Set up a value per click and make that click a goal in GA
• Set up a script that redirects users to Amazon after counting the click and sending it to GA via the Measurement Protocol
• Send the conversion / ad conversion data back to Google Ads through Measurement Protocol and postbacks
• Set up bit.ly to validate clicks
• Set up Amazon Associates to track clicks

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In today’s episode, Clarissa asks question, I publish a book and set up a series of ads using Google AdWords and the link goes to the Amazon page. How do I set up tight tracking for the success of the ads or success equals book sales? Oh, this is a challenging situation for a couple reasons. One, you don’t own amazon.com and therefore you can’t put tracking links on Amazon itself. And Amazon gives you as a as an author gives you very limited analytics, right? If you’re in the Katie portal, which is where I assume you are Kindle Direct Publishing,

you’re going to get roll up numbers, not great granular numbers. So how do you track a situation like this? Well, the answer is going to be a series of technology pieces that will help you

value, what a click is worth, essentially. So the first thing you need to do is build a model of clicks to sell. So you’ll need to put together a spreadsheet of how many clicks, and then how many sales. And you’ll use the Katie p data for that for a lot of that information. Now, the second thing is going to be in your Google Analytics account, you’re going to set up a value per click and make that click a goal. So you’ll set up in in your goals, your clicks to Amazon as a goal, we’re going to pencil in a value per click. Now you can do that based on the spreadsheet data you’ve already put together. If you’ve got if your books, for example, our costs, say 1. And it takes hundred clicks to sell one book that obviously a click is worth a penny, right? That goes into Google Analytics as a as a value for your goal completion.

Now that’s

the easiest part. Here’s where it gets messy. You’re going to need

the help of a programmer to create a script that lives on your website. And what that script is going to do is it’s going to redirect users from the link on your website like Christopher s pen.com, slash book, write that script, or redirect users to your Amazon page.

You will use that script in all of your Google AdWords ads. So all your ads will be you know, Christopher S Pen, comm slash book.

And it will send people to the Amazon page. But in that script, and this is what your program is going to have to help with. In that script. There is a way to send, essentially click data directly into Google Analytics without loading a web page. It’s something called the Google measurement protocol. And it is a very powerful system that Google Analytics has that allows you to to directly interact with Google Analytics with its API and poor data straight into it again without seeing a web page. So the script

will

intercept it will take that click that you get from your ads, it will send it to Google Analytics. And by the way, if you’re using

in that script, you’re going to specify all the UTM tracking tags, you know, you source medium campaign, all those things, that’s going to go into Google Analytics as well.

And then it will bounce the user to Amazon. Now my suggestion would be to actually have the script. This is going to get convoluted, but had bounced a Bitly. To have it bounced to Amazon. And the reason for that is you want

essentially three layers of tracking you want the your Google Analytics, click tracking Bitly click tracking, and then Amazon click tracking and here’s yet another layer of abstraction. You will want to look at setting up an Amazon Associates account which is their affiliate program, which will allow you to create a trackable link to that to your books page. And by the way, it will give you like an extra 1% Commission on a new book sales. It’s a good way for authors to make

tiny amount of incremental money because like if somebody is on Amazon and they buy your book, and then they go and buy a frying pan at the same time you get you get credit for the frying pan purchase and you get like an extra one to 4% on the purchase the frying pan as well.

So we now have a script that is essentially four layers deep. What it will do is to click comes in and tells Google Analytics Hey, his conversion happened. This click event happens send it to the Google measurement protocol. It will then send bills then say okay now user automatically go to Billy Billy will go to your Amazon Associates Link. And the Amazon Associates will finally send it to your book page.

This will help you establish the value of

that that those users that you send which can help in some ways. inflate your book price value a little bit because if people only buy your book cool, we like that. And Katie p will

will give you that, but associates will give you very granular hour by hour tracking of exactly what people bought. So you can get much better, more granular data for building that, you know, what is the value of a click model. So

to sum up, you need to build the model first, what percentage of clicks terms of sales and by the way, you’re going to revisit that going to return that. You’ll then set up the value per click and make that clear goal and Google Analytics. They’ll set up the script with programmers help to do that for way we direct and the more requiring associates count a Bitly account a Google Analytics captain, of course, your Amazon account, your Amazon book page, and then you’ll be able to track this once it’s all done, you’ll track it inside of Google Analytics, you’ll be able to see as a goal number of clicks sent to Amazon and the estimated value. And that will be a proxy for the book sales themselves. The reason you would do this crazy convoluted thing is that you can also in when you interact with Google Analytics, the Google Analytics measurement protocol

You can signal AdWords conversion data with what’s called post back. And again, this is something that your programmer is going to have to this is not something that you can do is use while you can do does use if you learn how to program.

But you’d want to send you that post back or that add conversion data back through the measurement protocol, tell AdWords Hey, conversion happens this ad is working.

Once the script is built, you could actually set up multiple versions of it for different types of ads if you wanted to build a track the performance of different kinds of ads like search ads versus display, ads vs. Video, YouTube video ads, the hard part really building that script the first time around. So

it’s probably not the easy answer you’re looking for. But it is most definitely the best way to get the correct data. And to turn that data into something that’s actionable and usable. Because by using that script, you’ll be able to track the different performance of all your ads show up in Google Analytics as value

And show the economic value. So again, if you if 1% of your clicks turn into book sales in your books worth1, then click is worth a penny. And if you drive 1000 clicks, guess what, you know, you’ve made $10 based on the likely performance of this ads, revisit that formula every I Gosh, depends on how important it is to you. If you’re if the book is incidental, meaning you just wrote the book and it’s out there, you may revisit that formula and adjust those numbers every 30 days or so. If being an author is your lifeline is your life hood, then you probably want to do it maybe every week even really analyze the data. So good question, challenging question. There are technological answers to do it. You will just need the help of a programmer to pull it off. As always, if you have additional questions, put them in the comments. Please subscribe to the YouTube channel. The newsletter I’ll talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analysts

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It’s the day after April Fool’s Day, but thanks to news readers, inboxes, and social networks, we’re not consuming information in chronological order. Be sure to mark as read every news and information gathering system you use to prevent you from mistakenly sharing April Fool’s pranks as real news.

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is public service announcement time Today is April 2, which means it is clean your inbox day. This is not an official day. Of course, no one has tells you to clean your inbox. But there’s a very, very important reason why you want to make today mark all is read archive, inventory, everything. It is the day after April Fool’s Day, which means that you will no longer thinking I should be looking for funny, humorous, prank things in my content. But if you’re still looking at yesterday’s news feeds yesterday’s inbox and things, guess what, you’re going to get whammy. So just a quick look here at my family. We’ve got stuff from today. We got this from this morning. And then of course, there’s things like Google tool up April Fools. And there’s a whole bunch of stuff in here that may or may not be relevant. So in the software of your choice, whatever tool you use, make sure that you mark as read

At the very least stuff old and then a day, but even still there, you’re going to get things like that were 21 hours ago. So there’s some potential that you could get some some stuff. So I would say just to be safe in all your fields mark all is read everything that is frankly old from all it’s 7am as I record the say everything that was that that is, after midnight, your local time market read, do the same for your Gmail inbox to the same for your pocket reader or Flipboard, your family, your whatever it is read it later. Instead paper and all those applications that you used to gather news and read it today will be the day to market and market right and clear it out. By the way, if you use any kind of content curation automation, where you have software that is pulling in content to reshare it later there, we have software of our own. Their companies are curated that do the same. You’re going to want to do the same on those feeds to go through

At the very least inspects to make sure that when you publish your, your weekly wrap up or summary of the content that you’re going to share this week that either you market this was an April Fool’s Day thing, or you just clean it out and maybe do a shorter edition this week just so that you don’t share something that you or someone in your audience misinterpreted as being legitimate news, when in fact, of course, it’s not.

The other thing is that there were a couple of brands that released actual news yesterday. I don’t know why you would do that. Because no one knows whether to believe you or not. So maybe try re releasing that news today.

But anyway, it’s market all is read slash archives. Read it later slash clean out all the inbox is you have access to and double check when you’re on social media for the next few days because services like Facebook and Instagram, don’t obey a chronological feed, which we’ve been asking them for that so I don’t know what

Five years now,

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Tammy asks, “There was a talk this week about AI and ML and I was disturbed by a claim a speaker made at the CXL conference. He basically asserted that we should not be concerned about bias being trained into AI because we can just ‘remove the variable from the model that causes the bias.’ Essentially if we don’t want the model to bias against race then we should take race out of the model. What do you make of this?”

This person has no business building AI models, as they have no understanding of bias. They will create models that are inaccurate at best and dangerous at worst. Watch the episode to find out the correct way to deal with bias and how systems like IBM Watson Studio and IBM Watson OpenScale correctly help you manage bias in your data.

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In today’s episode Tammy asks, there was talk this week about AI and machine learning and AI was disturbed by a claim a speaker made at the CFL conference, he basically said that we should not be concerned about bias being trained into AI, because we can just quote remove the variable from the model that causes the bias. Essentially, if we don’t want the model to bias against race, then we should take race out of the model. What do you make of this? This speakers an idiot, this speakers at it who is completely unqualified to be doing artificial intelligence and machine learning? There is no polite way of saying that this person, I’m assuming it’s a guy because you use the heat pronoun but this person has no business making artificial intelligence models. And this is one of the reasons why people talk seriously about things like certification or qualification. Because if this person deploys this modeled in the wild input

They are going to create her randomly biased models. Here’s why removing a variable from a model because you don’t like the effect it creates is functionally like saying I don’t like that my car is going off to one side because of the right we also want to remove the right we’ll, we’ll know what if that we also important, what if it is? Is it a critical piece of the model? That is that philosophy so I’ll just remove the thing is causing the problem was completely wrong.

The reason why, in addition to the variable right that might be important is that

just because you remove the explicit variable does not mean you remove the bias from the model. machine learning models, particularly deep learning models, but even ones like gradient boosting models can create what is called inferred variables. This is when you engineer or the machine auto engineers variables together

that move in sync

For example, suppose you have Facebook data, and you have collected, books you like and movies you like and music you like. Guess what that combination of data is so good a predictor of age of race, of religion of gender, that when the machine creates an inferred variable from that, it will rebuild age and race and gender and then discriminate on it. And because you’ve removed or you’ve removed race, from the model, you make the assumption that the model is no longer biased, when in fact, it has rebuilt those biases right in and now because you think you’ve removed it, you’re no longer looking for it, you’re no longer trying to detect it. And that means that the model can go wildly off course.

So this person’s an idiot. What’s the right way to do this? The right way to do this is to do

What IBM does,

which is to in your systems and your modeling software and your production software and your monitoring software for AI, you declare protected classes, you say age is a protected class and must fit the natural demographic skew of the population you’re targeting against race is a protected class, you may not discriminate outside certain variances, gender is a protected class. For example, if you were to say that your gender of the gender split between male and female should be roughly 5050 or 4545 and 10 for for non binary folks, whatever the case may be, you declare to the system this is protected, you may not deviate outside of these norms beyond like one or 2%. And then what the system does is it holds those those variables as anchor points and when it builds a model around them. It does

does not allow the model to pull those variances in any direction. It’s kind of like again the example of a tire on your car that’s out of alignment.

This essentially puts a you know, additional hands on the steering wheel to keep the car going in the direction it’s supposed to be going and not allow that that one walkies hired a pole the car in the wrong direction

by using protected classes as as part of the model and declaring that they are protected classes, you ensure that the model will not be biased because the model cannot use those variables for determination. For as as targets as as as as inputs beyond a certain point, and you also make them targets you say you must meet this qualification you must stay within this lane.

Watson’s open scale product does this really well in production, which by the way is really important because after you deploy the model if you’re not monitoring

For biases creeping in as the model is in production, you risk very serious consequences Amazon found that out the hard way when their HR system started systematically discriminating against women nobody was watching the system in real time to say um let’s that’s that’s know yet the 5050 in our, in our test data, our training data has become 9010. And in our in our production data

you want you want systems in place in production that are monitoring and holding those predictive classes in place and alerts you and says hey, something is going awry. Microsoft found that out the hard way with their tail Twitter bot which got turned into a racist porn button 24 hours nobody put guard rails on it. Nobody said these are the things you may not do. And had somebody thought that through that might have been a slightly more successful experiments. So

know removing the variables from the model

Because the bias does not eliminate bias, if anything, it makes it worse because it reduces the explain ability to interpret ability of the model instead, the right way is to protect the variables that are protected classes that are protected aspects. And then be keeping an eye on your models be keeping an eye on your data be keeping an eye on the results that system puts out. And be fact checking it. This is a critical career and a lot of ways right now. And for the next couple of years of someone supervising the machines and saying machine that is not an okay, output. Explain yourself, tell me why you made those decisions. And that’s another critical point that this person clearly has no understanding of.

All of your model should have interpret ability built into them, all of your model should have the ability to spit out hey, here’s how I made these decisions. Here’s what’s in the black box. Deep Learning

in particular has gotten so much

Better and the last six months in showing how a machine made a model that there’s no excuse anymore for saying let’s just a black box and we know how it works but it’s the right answer Well, you don’t know that and regulations like GDPR require require you by law to be able to explain your models. So using software like IBM Watson studio and and Watson open skill will help you hit those benchmarks and make sure that you are compliant with the law. So what I make of this this person has no business building AI models this person is probably should take a course in ethics. I strongly recommend anybody who’s looking to get into this stuff to read Dr. Hillary Mason’s free, completely free book on Amazon called ethics and data science. You need to read it, use a checklist in it and then use use commercial systems from reputable vendors that has some of these checks and balances built into the so that you don’t make these

mistakes because these mistakes will get you sued, they will get you fired and they will make society a worse place. If your model gets out in the wild. You can tell I feel pretty strongly about this.

Great question Tammy.

Be very, very be aware of that company. Wow. And for everyone else,

as you’re deploying machine learning as you’re testing it out as you’re putting it in production as you’re supervising it.

Make sure that somebody has done their homework and has thought through things like bias because you can ruin your company, your relationships with your customers. And as we see with some companies like Facebook, you can ruin society. If you are not thinking about what your AI does. As always, please leave your comments in the comments box below and subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon.

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Ashley and the LinkedIn team ask, “Who is one rising star in marketing that you’d like to recognize and why?”

Without pause, I’d recognize my CEO and business partner, Katie Robbert. Here’s why: every chef needs a restaurant manager. In data science and machine learning within the marketing realm, I build lots of tools to accomplish these things. But all the tools and technology don’t matter without the other two legs of the stool: people and process. To be fully effective as marketers and as data scientists, we need effective strategies for people, process, and platforms. Watch this video to learn what to look for in your own people and process experts.

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In today’s episode, Ashley asks, who was one rising star in marketing that you’d like to recognize and why. without pause, I would recognize my CEO and business partner Katie Robbert. And here’s why.

Every chef needs a restaurant manager every

every player in the orchestra needs a conductor. in data science and machine learning. Within the marketing realm,

I build lots of stuff, I build lots of tools, I use all sorts of things from open source tools like our studio, to commercial tools, like IBM Watson studio,

and can do some pretty interesting stuff. But that’s only one third of what it takes to make data science and machine learning impactful for marketers. Remember this, it’s a three legged stool, its people process and platform, you need all three in balance, in order to make machine learning beneficial to accompany building cool stuff is great, you need it.

But if there’s no practical application, you just doing stuff to do stuff, it doesn’t provide an ROI. Or if it does, it’s because you got lucky because it wasn’t a strategy behind

two of the areas where I’m personally not as strong management of people I’m terrible at. and rigorous discipline and process in terms of,

instead of doing something, building a system around

a thing, so that it can scale it can grow can be impactful.

And so to be to bring the most value to trust insights, customers, to our audience, to our friends, you need to have the people process and platform all lined up. And because I have deficits in those areas, that’s where someone like Katie helps, helps me be able to be effective.

as marketers, marketers, and not the most systematic people, marketers, and not the most disciplined in terms of that very left brain linear process oriented approach. But when you have the effective project manager, when you have effective corporate strategy and business strategy, when you align your business strategy with your technology capabilities, you can, you can do some pretty amazing things. And so her role in our company is to lead the company to lead that strategy to lead the people, and to help establish the processes that we need in order to grow.

And that’s something that we all learn from at the company. But then we share

externally.

Every Friday, there’s usually a blog post from her from our partner and head of business development, john wall. And we have distinct documented processes for how we even market the company itself. What are the what are the recipes inside that we adhere to, in order to maximize the impact we have with what’s really a three person team plus a whole bunch of machines.

Katie is also an accomplished public speaker, she’s spoken at multiple events, including selling out her room, twice over at inbound 2018 on the topic of predictive analytics, but not the technology.

Instead, she focuses on how, what’s the process for it? What are the important things you need to know to make use of it? What are some examples that are practical?

And again, this is because my focus is how do I make the thing how to build a thing? How do I how do I

make the thing cooler?

But not how do I deploy the thing in a way that’s as meaningful as possible to customers. So it the original version of Predictive Analytics code that we use, spit out a very unhelpful line chart. And that was it as all you got. But when you take somebody like Katie, who has that experience of thinking from the customer’s point of view, and thinking through how could somebody uses How could somebody misinterpret this? How could somebody not find value in this, and then you build that into the product, it becomes much more useful. Instead of a chart looks like somebody vomited, you know, multicolored spaghetti all over it, you end up with tables and calendars and planners that anybody anybody could pick up and go, Okay, I know what I’m supposed to do. Now, over the next four weeks, these are my tasks that I need to accomplish using predictive analytics, bringing it to life.

The same is true. We were driving back yesterday

from the helo conference in New Jersey, and talking through

how do we use machine learning clustering techniques

to make search engine optimization more valuable, instead of, hey, here’s just a bunch of data, which is what a lot of SEO tools give you and it’s fine. That’s that’s bad as an okay thing for them to do, because you want that data? How do we use machine learning techniques to make it more orderly, to make it more insightful, to make it more digestible for people? And so when I talk about someone being a rising star marketing, to me, that implies that they are bringing something to the marketing discipline that isn’t there yet or isn’t widespread, that is valuable. And that benefits marketers?

Again, when I look at my background, I’m a tech knowledge, just

the stuff that I create,

as it is, is not inherently valuable to marketers, the outputs are, but the stuff itself isn’t. And so someone like Katie is an essential part of what we needed to have, as an industry to take the output of anything, and think it through how do we make this valuable to us? How do we use this to increase our impact, to increase our results, to demonstrate the value that we provide as marketers, to our companies, and to our industry. So that’s, in a nutshell, who I would recognize as a rising star and marketing. You can reach Katie at K to bear on most social channels, and of course, at the trust insights, website, trust and size.ai. And I believe, I think her websites got stuff on it, Katie Rivera calm. But more than anything goes to your speak, go see your speak, go see, take a webinar with her. We’re going to some interesting news, new virtual options available soon. Follow on social get to know her because she can help you understand the roles of people in process within marketing technology, which again, is something that marketing technologists and the martech space are really bad at

we build all these cool

tools, we create all these this, you know great marketing collateral, and we don’t do a great job of answering but so what why do I need this? What is the value of this?

How do I explain this to my boss, and you need somebody in your own company like Katie who can be that.

That truth teller

that

that skeptic

who can constructively criticize your efforts, and make your products, your services and your marketing better, maybe don’t have somebody like that, your marketing will not be as good. You are marketing technology, for sure will not be as good. And if you are making the move into data science and machine learning is an absolutely essential role. So who is that person in your company? If you don’t have that person, you probably need to hire that person to help oversee and guide and align your martech and data science and machine learning strategies to the business to what the business needs most. So great question actually, and the LinkedIn team. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon. One help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai

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Ashley and the LinkedIn team ask, “What is one of the most defining moments in your career and how has it shaped you as a marketer?”

What a fun question. August 24, 2011 is a date that sticks out in my mind as a day that set me on my path today. Watch the video to find out what was so consequential about that date. This is a series of 3 questions; stay tuned for parts 2 and 3.

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in today’s episode ashley and the team at linkedin ask what is one of the most defining moments in your career and how has it shaped you as a marketer

if i had to look back over the length of my career and the direction it has been heading over the last 10 years probably one of the defining moments was august 24 2011

and this is going to get super nerdy but the reason that date sticks out is that is the day that google analytics released assisted conversions and multi channel funnels which is a really big deal in analytics up until that point for the first really 15 years of the web we were all as marketers using last touch attribution what was the last thing somebody did that and we gave credit to that channel that campaign that tactic for generating the business we had no way really of going

back in time and seeing what’s what else someone did in order to convert in order to, to do something of a meaningful business impact. On that day, Google pushed out its multi channel funnels, which allows you to track not only the last thing somebody did, but all the things somebody did leading up to that conversion, which significantly changed the language that we use as marketers about how people convert about what drives conversion, and what and how much credit should be given to any one given campaign or tactic or method for generating business. This really opening the door in a lot of ways for modern social media marketing, because up until that point, you know, Twitter got released to the public in 2007, Facebook in 2005. And without that assisted conversion tracking.

We know for most businesses, social media is not the last thing somebody does before

They make a purchase, right? Because especially if it’s a complex big purchase, not a whole lot of Gulfstream airplanes, or quarter million dollar SaaS software implementations are bought from a tweet.

Not a ton of vehicles or real estate or bought from a LinkedIn post.

But these channels,

and social in general are contributing factors to those conversions by helping us build awareness by helping us build trust by helping us build credibility.

And so when Google rolled out assisted conversions, because suddenly say, hey, this series of posts I’ve put on LinkedIn really matter because they are part of the path to conversion even, they’re not the last thing that somebody does. And this set the foundation for in my career, what was going to be a major focus from there on out a heavy focus on analytics, a heavy focus on data science, the technology that gives us a

assisted conversions also gives us path analysis not only what channels were part of a conversion but then how do those channels interact which set the stage really for a couple years later for my first forays into machine learning in 2013 and today and as we’re recording this it’s early 2019 machine learning and artificial intelligence really are now my my specialties within the realm of marketing and marketing data but without that first

glimpse of light about that there’s more to converge and then the last thing somebody did it would be i would i would say it would be difficult for me to be where i am today because that’s such a simplistic answer even though it’s mostly wrong it’s just such a simplistic answer that none of us i think would have put a whole lot of time or effort into thinking more deeply about all the ways that somebody can convert all the the steps within the customer journey even modern digital customer journey

mapping the ability for us to, to use data to map out the customer journey in a in a data driven a factual way wouldn’t be possible without technology like assisted conversions and multi channel funnels, it simply would be out of our reach, we will not have that information. Today, we now have tools like Markov chain modeling and gradient boosting and all these fancy machine learning tools that can take that data and exponentially increases value by seeing exactly what works best. This is especially true when we don’t have complete data, but we have enough data to be able to at least begin and fairing mathematical relationships between data points, for example. It is somewhat difficult

phrase, it’s extremely difficult to get any kind of competitive data out of LinkedIn or out of personal profiles, but you can see the traffic that comes from LinkedIn to your website.

using multi channel funnels using machine learning using ai you can infer the value of that traffic and really get a sense of this is this is something that i should be doing more of or something i should be doing less of so that moment august 24 2011

rollout of multi channel funnels really was a defining moment in my career so much so i referenced it in keynote talks that i do when i’m talking about attribution analysis it was a defining moment for me and for the industry overall and it’s one that i’m i’m still surprised when i talked to some marketers and not using even the basic built in feature in google analytics much less what you can do with that data but at least it’s there at least it’s available to all of us and and for those folks who have embraced it hopefully it has helped your career grow as well as always please leave comments in the comment box below this is actually going to be a three part series of questions that ashley and the linkedin team have about career defining things so

Stay tuned for parts two and three coming soon.

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Max asks, “What are some tips for agencies and freelancers for better business results in 2019?”

Agencies and freelancers are notorious for skimping on measurement. In this video, I offer some guidelines about how much to spend on measurement and how to create a measurement plan.

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In today’s episode, Max asks,

What are your biggest tips for freelancers and agencies for getting the best results for your customers in 2019?

Okay.

I’m awful. The, the number

one thing I see people not doing enough of, unsurprisingly, is measuring stuff. People have a tendency to simply spend all their time doing, and not investing enough time and enough resources. And measuring to figure out this is what really matters. The rule of thumb I’ve told people in the past and still holds true today is for every dollar you spend on marketing

plan to spend 25 cents on

the measurement and evaluation of it. If you’re going to spend

100 grand on marketing plan to spend 25, on the measurement of it to see what work will always cost that much. Not necessarily. But you need to be able to have the resources available so that if you have to bring in expertise, to get you the answers that you need, or you need to buy the

tracking software,

with the equipment or whatever up front, you’ve budgeted for it.

I remember I was working at doing some work at one point for a company that did, they were a retail store. And they were really, super insists on wanting to know how well was there out how effective was in marketing at bringing in foot traffic.

And they had all this, these plans like the foot traffic is going to do this and this. But

they didn’t have a single foot traffic counter in the in the store.

So

they set a measurement object, which is Atlanta was exactly you’re supposed to do. But then it didn’t have any way of actually tracking us they had to go and buy

the system. But the little cameras and

stuff that that track where people move around in the story, and it was very, very expensive, it was much more expensive than expected it to be had they budgeted

the 25% in order to get the equipment installed, they would have been okay.

The other thing people do wrong is that measurement

comes for them at the end of the process. At the end of the the marketing process in the planning process.

Your measurement strategy has to come up front because you need to know what you’re going to measure before you run the campaign.

To the example the the retail store, they wanted to measure foot traffic,

but they didn’t have any means of doing so. And had they

solve that problem first.

They would have been okay. One thing I see again, marketers do a ton of time is wrong is

they will try to retro actively measure something, but they didn’t have the tracking in place to measure it from something as simple as you know, a specific goal in Google Analytics to something as complex as

a certain type of ROI where they didn’t track the investment so they can’t do the return on their investment.

If you don’t

have that measurement strategy of fun if you don’t have the ability

to put build the infrastructure for measurement you in in many cases,

you cannot turn back time. Despite what shares songs as you cannot go back in time. And retro actively measure something you are not set up to measure in the first place. So

if you want to succeed in 2019, you need a measurement plan. You need a measurement goal. And you need to do it

as part of your overall plan.

I need to you need to invest heavily in the measurement. So that you know whether you’ve gotten to a goal or not.

There isn’t much more you can do that will be more impactful in your marketing. Because if you can’t measure it, your marketing can’t demonstrate his impact. You can say qualitatively

Oh, yeah, people love what we had to say or people loved our trade show booth where people loved our i think but if you can’t quantify it,

you can’t

accurately demonstrate it

impacts that’s that would be my my

biggest tip for for agencies and freelancers.

It’s especially important because I used to work in an agency and

many measurement was always an afterthought.

Measurement was something that

people never put first, because for two reasons one was expensive.

And too, if you’re not

someone for whom measurement and analytics and quantitative work comes naturally,

it can be intimidating.

Oh, there’s there’s one more factor.

One of the reasons why some people in some agencies, I’m being very specific. It’s it’s not everyone, it’s just some people.

But some people don’t like measurement. Because

once you measure something, you can evaluate its effectiveness. And there are some people in the agency world who are ineffective. They don’t get results. But they’ve managed to sort of stay under the radar. Because no one else is measuring. The only form of measurement they have is qualitative, like,

Oh, yeah, Joe, such a great guy.

Joe’s ROI is negative, but people like Joe, and so job may be able to get away with not delivering results. Once you implement a system of measurement,

it becomes much harder to justify

your

investment in Joe as is and either and Joe asked to up level his skills, or your agency, or the freelancers you work with. may need to to change strategies about who they choose to work with. So that’s the other reason why measurement sometimes doesn’t rise to the top of the priority list. Again, not everyone, not everyone, just some people at some places

would prefer that you not shine the light of day, and then the light of measurement on on what they’re doing. So

great question max.

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