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You Ask, I Answer: Account-Based Marketing for the Mortgage Industry
Joshua asks, “As a content marketer in the mortgage industry, I’m incredibly intrigued at the possibilities in account-based marketing. I want to learn more!”

ABM, or target account marketing, is ideally suited for long, complex, high-value sales.

ABM is principally composed of three things:
- Targeting only likely buyers with highly personalized advertising
- In-depth, data-driven marketing automation and lead scoring
- Analytics and data-driven to reduce overall spend but increase spend per person in the target audience
For B2C, especially the mortgage industry in the United States, ABM is a great fit.
- Robust marketing automation on your regular inbound marketing to build a model of successful, qualified customers
- Predictive analytics and forecasting to determine spend over time
- Target home buyers based on known life activities and the model
- Remarket/retarget based on the model
- Monitor closely to see if the model outperforms
What’s off the table:
- List-based retargeting is going the way of the dodo due to privacy concerns
You Ask, I Answer: Account-Based Marketing for the Mortgage Industry
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In today’s episode, Joshua asks, as a content marketer in the mortgage industry, I’m incredibly intrigued at the possibilities in account based marketing. Can you tell me more account based marketing or target account marketing is ideally suited for long, complex, high value sales, like mortgages like real estate, things like that. And so this is clearly a case where this would apply being in the mortgage industry. Now, ABM is focused on essentially three core technologies, which is targeting only likely buyers with highly personalized advertising and very contextual, lots of personalization, in depth data driven marketing automation that gathers and scores leads and plugs into a CRM so that you can figure out who the actual high value customer is. And then aggressive analytics and data driven focus that reduces the overall spend, because the idea of ABM is that you only want to show ads and marketing to people who are likely to buy qualified to buy and have an intent to buy. And so trying to advertise to everybody is, is a waste of time and money because very few people are in the in the buying process. For example, I’m a homeowner and I’ve been a homeowner in the same home for almost two decades and really have no intention of buying at all. And so even though I might have demographic characteristics that would indicate that I’m a highly qualified buyer, the intent isn’t there so the analytics of a BM

require a lot of heavy lifting on the front end in order to tell you yes, this is exactly who is likely to buy

so

ABM because of the system costs and a lot of cases and because the intensive data focus has traditionally been used in b2b marketing, of course, as kind of an artificial distinction. It’s really for complex sales. So someone buying a pack of gum doesn’t need a BM someone who’s selling GM doesn’t need a BM somebody selling a quarter million dollar SaaS appliance or house or college education. Yeah, you need account based marketing,

because it’s going to take a while to to nurture those those prospects through through and get them to actually buy something for the mortgage industry, at least within the United States, we’re going to confined to that specific limitation. account based marketing is a great fit the for a few reasons,

mortgages are a complex sale, there’s a lot of data involved, the data that’s involved is regulated, but can be analyzed and ROI is worth it. Whereas something that might be a little bit lower in value, like car sales, not as good a fit, although still a decent fit for the mortgage industry, you’re going to need five things. First, you’re going to need marketing automation software. And this is software that can

assess assessing, collect data on all of your existing successful qualified customers. And that data has to be passed down or blended with your CRM data so that you have a comprehensive

look at every possible aspect of who your your successful qualified customers are. One of the worst things you can do with ABM is to make assumptions about who the audience is, and, and to sort of build a model, you know, back of the envelope you you need to do the data collection and then do the data analysis to build that model. The second thing you’ll need is predictive analyst ethics and forecasting because you wanted one of the things you want to do is forecast over time, when you’re going to need to spend the most and invest the most that’s going to be a part of the system. And a lot of account based marketing systems do not do that. They will tell you who is likely to buy, but not necessarily win. And so predictive analytics is a key part of a good ABM system. The third step is you’ll then build that model of who is the most successful customer and start targeting those those customers, those prospective customers based on your model now, in b2c. And in the mortgage industry, there’s a good chance that the model is going to be behaviorally based. So for example, you may find that people who just got married are going to be buying a home and therefore Nina mortgage, people who are going to be

new parents, a lot of those behaviors will drive your model

what will probably be less successful er, things like that age, for example, because we know from a macro economic perspective that the age of homeownership is a moving target thanks in part to the student loan industry. So you’ll need to build that model and start building targeting based on those life activities because people will be triggering those activities at different times of their lives. The fourth step is to deploy remarketing and retargeting based on that model. This is where you will use sophisticated advertising systems, particularly two systems. One is known as a demand data management platform. And the other is known as a as a demand side platform, DMP, and DSP. These will connect to all the major advertising systems, pull in data that fits your model and then push out ads to those audiences. Those are probably the ones on the more sophisticated systems to do that. But those are definitely one of the ways to to build out that retargeting and remarketing that will show ads to the right people. And finally, the fifth part and again part that a lot of people don’t get right in a BM is monitoring closely to see if the model outperforms your other efforts. There is always the chance that a model you build is going to perform either the same as or less well as your other marketing. And so having that the ability to quantify and measure in very, very closely how the model is performing is super important. What is going the way of the dodo. What is changing our ABM compared to years past is list based retargeting. This is where you just buy a list of, of highly qualified people upload that to the ads to some of your choice and, and roll it out. And the reason this is going the way of the dodo is because of privacy legislation GDPR in earlier this year, took that off the table at a national scale, and certainly any company that has any kind of international exposure is that risk but now we start we’re starting to see states like California, Massachusetts, New York, etc. The big markets starting to roll out privacy legislation of their own and they are variants on GDPR so the ability to just buy a list of data from consumers who have not opted into being being targeted by sharing your data is going to become illegal and so it’s best to plan for that now and again focus on those behaviors systems for example like Facebook offer you the ability to target based on life activities without getting personally identifying information it says here’s a segment of people who have just become new parents okay that’s a that’s a usable model attribute you can model on without grabbing PII that that could put your company at risk so just know that the the old days of buying list is is rapidly declining. In terms of vendors there are a ton of ABM vendors out there there is engage eo and there is demand base and lifting Snyder and there are also all the marketing automation systems like Mark Hedo and par dot and eloquent or which is Oracle Marketing Cloud Monique and so on and so forth. So you may want to look at the different vendors to see how many of these features that I just talked about they support that would probably be the next best step. So great question lots to unpack your it’s a tremendous technology is a lot of fun to work with. And you can get some really good results if you have a great model. Thanks for asking Joshua. As always, please leave comments below and subscribe to the newsletter and the YouTube channel. I’ll talk to you soon. Take care want help solving your company’s data

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October 9, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: Essential Skills for Mid-Career Marketers
Liz asks, “How can mid- career marketers prepare for the coming technological advances in marketing? Are there classes/ courses you recommend? What skills do you foresee as essential 5, 10, or 20 years from now?”

The most essential skills that mid-career marketers need aren’t found in courses or classes. In this video, learn what’s really important and how to skill up.

You Ask, I Answer: Essential Skills for Mid-Career Marketers
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In today’s episode, Liz asks, How can mid career marketers prepare for the coming technological advances and marketing? Are there classes courses, I recommend What skills do I see as

as essential in 510 or 20 years from now. So

on the future forecasting thing, I will say this right now, no one has any idea. The reason for that is that the technology is changing so fast that forecasting on even more than a year is very, very difficult because of the way technology changes and what is possible. And breakthroughs that we didn’t even think we’re within reach are within reach significantly faster. A really good example of this was

in 2015,

some folks who are experts in deep learning predicted that deep learning would

eventually solve a classic game like go the strategy Asian strategy game in maybe 15 or 20 years when when the technology improved. And of course, 18 months later, Google’s DeepMind won the game of Go and beat least with all the reigning world champion at the game. And so that prediction straight out the window.

So it’s very difficult to predict that stuff. However,

one of the maxims that I follow is by Jeff Bezos, CEO of Amazon. This is focused

on the things that don’t change in b2b, what are the things that don’t change,

people want to save money, they want to save time, they want to make more money

and they want to prove the value of what it is they did they do in the b2c world what are the things that human beings want more right they want stuff faster they want stuff that’s better quality and they want stuff cheaper and anything you can do that helps them achieve those outcomes it will will will get you the business so as a mid career marketer think about the landscape of the different marketing technologies that are available right now if you look in fact let’s bring up Scott Brinker martek landscape, this is a fantastic landscape in the sense that it gives you a sense of how big the marketing technology world is, from a vendor perspective. And it’s broken up by category

of like, what each of the broad categories you to the tools

do, here’s the thing that’s the landscape does not address and it does not just have to address it, there’s, there’s really no good way to do it. But think about those outcomes that I just mentioned, save money, save time, make things faster, better, cheaper, none of these tools on their surface to help you understand how they get you to that the answers. And so as a mid career marketer, one the most valuable things you can do is to help connect the tools, which is the platform with the processes within a company and the people who you work with to create those outcomes.

Go back to the classic consulting

from HD love it’s diamond of innovation, that the 1964 framework people process platform

as marketers, particularly mid career marketers get more and more stuff in the platform container, we don’t have corresponding increases in our processes. And we don’t have corresponding increases in how we work with the people within those things. So

what should a mid career marketer be focusing on obviously continue to grow your people skills obviously continue to grow. And this is where

marketers are really deficient is in the process side of things. I know I’m one of them. I am

my CEO. And I’ve been working together for three years now. And and she’s constantly reminding me that processes, how you scale processes, how you repeat success. So whatever you can do to build process around the people in the technology work with will help you succeed more. And then as a mid career marketer, the important thing with all these technologies to understand is how, how, what what is it that it does, and how well does it do it right, you don’t necessarily need to learn how to code or how to create deep learning architecture or how to

set up link retargeting. Although certainly those are things that help

but you do need to know what the tools do, how they work conceptually and where they fit in.

If you look at any one of the categories in the martek landscape, there’s probably 100 to 200 vendors within them. Being able to be a good bs detector and to train your staff to be a good bs detector is essential. Because you’ve got 100 vendors competing for your time, your attention and your money in each of these categories.

How do you tell them apart because they’re all going to sound like you look? It’s just ad retargeting alone. There’s like 150 vendors in there. What’s the difference? They all say? They have better performance, they all say they have lower costs. They all say that they they don’t do vendor lock in and stuff like that. They all bash the the incumbents. So what’s the difference? How do they differentiate each other?

Can you as someone who is a

mid to senior level practitioner or

manager

develop a really good bs detector that says no, this is actually what the difference is between vendor x vendor, why vendor z, or this is what’s after the difference between these different strategic

concepts.

The further you get in your career, the less you the less it is that you are probably going to be doing hands on, the more it is that you’re going to be training guiding, and advising. And so judgment

and discrimination of the different technologies and strategies are really the, the essential skills and there there aren’t classes or courses for those.

That’s a lot of experience. And there is some training

but really focus on from a from the platform technology side, what does the thing do? How does it do it?

One of the things I think is a

a real benefit. And an easy way to learn this stuff is to actually do

if you have a personal blog, or even if if a company blog anytime you’re trying to evaluate a sector start interviewing the vendors, like for a blog post, and after a few you’ll start to

get the lingo start to get the language and go, Oh,

I don’t know if this vendor actually knows what they’re doing. Or Wow, this vendors really got the goods

you know, in this in the technology space in in

the SEO tool space. There are a ton of SEO tools. But there’s a reason why there are certain market leaders

and when you look at their software, you go Alright, this does what it’s supposed to do this this gets you to the answer better, faster and cheaper, right.

That’s where you can add value in the coming together logical advances and marketing is to help the companies you work at, make those decisions and make good decisions. Because I’m sure you’ve noticed companies are getting super risk averse and and people in general have gotten a lot more risk averse. So if you can be that trusted advisor within your own company who has your finger on the pulse of the landscape, you will have those timeless skills that will propel your career forward an ongoing basis. That’s it still learn the technology still study on your own. There aren’t courses to teach you how to study and and evaluate. That’s just a lot of experience. And like I said, tried doing that blog or podcast or email newsletter, whatever it is that you need to do to give you the excuse to reach out to these different companies and learn their technology and each of these sectors. Great question. As always, please leave any follow up questions in the comments and subscribe to the YouTube channel newsletter. I’ll talk to you soon. Take care what help solving your company data

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October 8, 2018
#FridayFeeling: Technical Skill and Showmanship in Marketing
I recently re-watched the winning performance of Shin Lim on America’s Got Talent. What struck me is that he has the right balance of showmanship and technical skill. One without the other is insufficient; the unskilled showman is a buffoon, the skilled bland performer is boring.

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In this week’s Friday feeling some thoughts about

showmanship and technical skill

was re watching the America’s Got Talent finals were magician Shin limb did an amazing job

demonstrating sleight of hand skill and some interesting

daft pieces. And knowing a little bit about magic,

getting an idea of some of the pieces of the performance worked. And what struck me was that

compared to other magicians,

he has the right balance of

showmanship and technical skill.

And both are important in a magic act. Because a showman without technical skills can have a buffoon,

loud and boisterous, but not really fooling anybody. And a magician who is technically skilled, but has no showmanship is

kind of interesting to watch. But at the same time, a little boring, it’s like, okay, that’s cool. You can, you know,

make cards, dance and stuff like that. It’s is that blend of being able to do both? Well, that makes for a really compelling act.

And what that got me thinking about was

in the world of marketing, how

we approach it very much the

same way,

right? There’s that whole left brain, right brain, you’re either creative or your analytical. And we’ve been saying for a while, and you need to be both. But

I don’t think

I don’t feel like we’ve done a good job of emphasizing that

technical skill and creative skill in marketing are not added if they’re multiplicative, in the same way that technical skill and showmanship are multiplicative. In a magic performance,

you need to be able to do both. And the product of doing both well is many times more than having either one separately.

So when you look at something as simple as like website design, and website design is important. Having a design that’s not offensive to the eyes is a good thing.

Having a website that is intuitive, and people can find what they’re looking for really easily is important.

And to

get to that you also needs the technical skill

I have.

I spent the last week wrestling with

my company’s website, it was on a host that was underperforming. And so

the migration of the site was painful, fixed a whole bunch of little tactical things that in the end, make a a good experience much, much better. Because the user doesn’t have to wait things are, where they’re supposed to be, and so on and so forth.

When

you have technical skill, and showmanship, when you have technical skill and creative skill,

what you get is

a great experience and experience

experiences as much as emotional as it is factual.

having that experience means it’s something that’s memorable. It’s something that you feel like you enjoyed, and you would do again.

And what’s interesting is that pendulum on his serious fool us when, when the same magician she and limb did his performance on that show

said something very interesting. He said,

From a technical magical perspective, if one thing breaks down, the entire performance breaks down, because it reveals the laws the performance, but in that particular person’s performance, he felt, even though there were some things that they caught, it was still perfect, because the showmanship was enough to cover them very minor technical errors. And the same thing is true in your marketing. If you create a great customer experience through that creativity, it may be enough to compensate for slight

technical errors, not glaring ones,

but slight ones in the same thing is true in reverse, a website that is functional and fast

and clean and, and delivers what the customer wants, maybe enough to compensate for the fact that it doesn’t have world class design, it may be good enough to give the customer what they want.

But

it’s really important to have that balance

to staff that balance to hire for that balance as best as you can.

And to to identify where

your gaps in that balance are. Now the good news is, at least for technologists, is

you can find technological ways to identify where you’re out of balance. For example, if your website has if you’re looking at things like path analysis through your website, what path do people take through your website,

if there are not nice short paths between wherever person comes in and your key pages like about us services, your your team, your company, but the pages that indicate buying interest,

then you know that there’s something from a maybe a navigational and technical but also design perspective that may be off likewise, things like exit rate on certain pages or bounce rate on certain pages, I think that would indicate the technically

there some design optimizations you could make. And the same thing is true in social media. With a amount of engagement you get the amount of commenting you get

things like that, that

that hint at the quality of your content may not be as good as it could be.

So use the technological tools to help you understand both the technology and the creative and then use things like market research and focus groups and things to help you get a complete picture of your creative side when when gauging people’s reactions. When you show them a piece of collateral or piece of content and their reaction is not a wow they’re actually like That’s nice. Then you know you have a tech they have a creative deficit. So

if you want to see a good example of this there’s another magician you Hogan who is a Korean mission it is a fivesome 2012 performance which is a winning performance but is a much more understated performance than Shin limbs performance and and when you vaccine went on America’s Got Talent. He didn’t go very far because it was not what the audience was looking for. It had supreme technical skill but it didn’t have the kind of showmanship that they were after. So watch those two performances side by side you’ll go okay there’s there’s clearly a difference between the two and aim to be

that technically proficient showman

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October 5, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: Duplicate Social Media Content
Jen asks, “We’re a business that likes to share/reshare evergreen content. Social networks are now saying that we can’t publish duplicate posts. Is there a legitimate way around this?”

Great question. The intent of social networks prohibiting duplicate posts is to cut down on spambots that flood the network with junk, as well as trollbots intending to create artificial waves of support to defeat algorithms – like election tampering. I recommend four approaches to solving this problem that obey the rules while still allowing you to use evergreen content.
- Encode unique data in each update – like the date of the update, or the engagement the content has received so far. I use clicks; you can use pageviews from Google Analytics, etc. – just has to be dynamically generated at the time of posting.
- Increase the amount of curation of unique content so that you’re sharing unique content much more frequently. Don’t be the brand that lazily repeats the same 5 updates over and over again.
- Use a dynamic URL shortener that encodes a different URL on each publication. I use bitly.
- Have a real human working the account to handle engagement daily. Make sure the account isn’t only automated stuff – automation is intended to provide a framework, not be the entire account. That person should be engaging with people.
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In today’s episode, Jen asks, we’re a business that likes to share. And we share evergreen content across multiple accounts for our executives, social networks are now saying that we can’t publish duplicate posts, either on the same account or on other accounts. Is there a legitimate way around this? It’s a great question. Because the intent of what social networks are doing with the prohibition against duplicate content is to cut down on two types of bots, spam bots that are just going to publish garbage at scale

and troll bots,

which were used to create artificial perceptions of popularity

for things like election tampering.

And so a corporation trying to provide some level of automation for

its accounting for its its key executives, it was not the intended target of these rules, intended target was to prohibit and reduce people from behaving badly on the network. So

there are four ways the four things you should be doing to

to solve this problem, while obeying the rules and still allowing you to use evergreen content.

So the first thing is,

when you’re putting together social posts, you need to have software that will encode unique data in each in each update. That can be something as simple as having the date of the that you’re putting the post in so that there’s a unique string and each one, it can be something as simple as engagement. Like I use the Bitly API in my updates to show how many clicks that an article has gotten. Because every time you go back and publish an article, again, presumably, hopefully, it’s gotten more clicks, the last segment published, you can use page views and Google Analytics if its content that you own. So you can show how many how many views as this, this article received a year to date, or whatever, whatever it is, it just has to be a piece of dynamic data that goes in the update that shows that changes all the time. So that’s number one, all of these techniques, you should do all of them together, if possible number to increase the amount of curation that you do on the account of unique content, so that you’re sharing unique content much more frequently,

one of the things that these algorithms are looking for is how much repetition is there how much obviously, that’s going to really easily trigger an algorithm, if you just keep posting, I’ve seen some corporations posting like the same five updates over and over again, of course, that’s going to trigger an algorithm. If a human can spot the automation, then for sure, and algorithm and spot the automation. So be sharing lots of valuable relevant, timely, targeted,

curated content that is unique to each account. So for example, if your CFO is on what an account, you may want to have that account be sharing blogs, about corporate finance, if your cmo has a separate account, you want to have that blog, we share that that that kind of sharing blogs about marketing

so that

they’re sharing things that are relevant to their domain of expertise. And then when you’re sharing your corporate content, it’s in the mix. It’s not just, you know, there’s just one post shared across 20 accounts. And that’s the only posts that those accounts do that day. So lots of lots of extra unique curation. The third thing is you want to use a dynamic URL shortener that encodes a different URL each time your software wants to put together your saw your social media updates, again, I use Bitly, because every time you send the URL to the Bitly API, it spits back a new unique URL. So again, we’re we’re encoding that social posts be even more unique every single time you go to put it together.

And the fourth and by far, the most important thing

is you need to have a real human working on the account, to handle engagement, to handle outreach to handle the things that a real human being what actually do on their personal social media account, replying to people liking things,

posting the occasional photo of you know where that wherever it is, that they are,

you know, taking a picture of their, their plate of food

every once in a while, those are the things that real people do. And again, remember that all of these spam detection

algorithms, all of these, any kind of algorithm is looking for patterns and indicators that fit a certain profile, if you have an account that just robotically publishes stuff, and nothing else, there’s never a behavior change, that’s pretty easy to detect. That’s, that’s a machine run account, if you have the natural randomness that comes with human beings

that will show those algorithms know

this is a real person that runs this academy as the sharing stuff to be to follow industry best practices, but his various clearly still a human, okay, here’s a picture of the dog

social media automation was never intended to be the only thing that an accountant does. And if your social media strategy is such that you are only sharing automated stuff, and nothing else,

then you probably are going to get

flagged by it. And algorithm at some point. And also your is what you’re doing, actually all that valuable.

So remember that social media automation is supposed to be the framework, right? It’s the stuff that is the, the bare minimum that an account does, and then you layer that human aspect on top of it. So that instead of, maybe you have a busy day, or you have a travel or something like that, and you can’t be posting regularly, that’s when the automation fills in those gaps, to keep your account active, and to keep providing value to the people who follow you,

you still have to provide that extra human value on top. So engagement is the is the fourth component. And

the first three are things that your automation software may or may not do.

I know that for myself, I had to write my own software for to put together a lot of the content because there wasn’t anything that was doing it. But that was a couple years ago. And now obviously the the spaces continuing to evolve and grow and stuff. So

again, unique data, each update unique URL and each update unique content that’s been curated at a much greater volume and most importantly, have those human signals on the account to keep the account looking like a humans actually running it. That is the way to continue to be able to reuse evergreen content, not have someone babysitting every single account all the time and still obey the rules and still stay within the guidelines that the various social networks have put out about duplicate social media content. As always, if you have comments or questions about this sort of thing, please leave them below. Otherwise, please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter will talk to you soon.

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October 4, 2018
Book Review: Talk Triggers by Jay Baer and Daniel Lemin
In this video, I review the key points of the new book Talk Triggers, including why it’s better than other books on word of mouth, what data points to look at, what data points the book misses, and why most people will gain no benefit from the book despite it being best-in-class. Watch the video to learn whether you’ll succeed at word of mouth marketing or not.

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My name is Christopher pen and co founder of trust insights, a data science consulting firm for marketers. And today we’re reviewing talk triggers the new book on word of mouth by Jay Baer and Daniel lemon. This book is about how to get people to talk about your brand. The one of the main stats in here is that you know, something around four out of five consumers make a purchase b2b or b2c, after receiving word of mouth information from friends or colleagues. Now, there are a lot of word of mouth books, there are a lot of books that talk about the importance of being remarkable. being worth of marketing about what I like about talk triggers, in specific are the is the framework that the book gives you. So the four talk triggers, criteria being remarkable, remarkable, relevant, reasonable and repeatable. The five types of talk figures, empathy, usefulness, generosity, speed, and attitude and the creation process. The six step process, which is a insights, customer data, creating and testing and measuring, expanding and amplifying,

here’s what’s different and good about this book. Unlike other word of mouth books that are very, very vague when it comes to the section about gathering insights in the book, page 144 is where this begins are the specific data points, the specific data sets that you want to gather as a marketer in order to make talk triggers the creation and identification of the insights needed to build your own talk triggers. So we have brand positioning, word of mouth and social media trends, competitive positioning, market research, customer retention service, NPS scores, win loss data, product quests, customer anecdotes, mega fans, customer churn, data,

quality center logon anecdotes,

that’s a really comprehensive list. The only thing I think is missing there is general societal data with stuff from things like the Bureau of Labor Statistics and things like that. But just short of macro economics, this framework gives you everything that you need to conduct an intelligent assessment of your market of your customers and determine what it is it’s going to get them talking. So I think that’s really, really powerful. The other section here there’s really important is the top part about talking to your customers and listening to your customers. And one of the big things in here that as a data science consulting firm I find super important is mining the data in your CRM in your call logs in the CRM software itself.

People don’t do that people leave their data to sit in the digital equivalent of a filing cabinet for weeks, months, years, decades, even. And it’s does no one any good, its massive opportunity cost, also a security risk. And it could be being used to make word of mouth to make to identify the things that customers actually want to talk about and share with their friends. If there was a book on how to develop a process to go viral, which is a term I hate this will be what this is really about is more that idea of the flywheel concept of marketing. What can we create that will get people talking, keep people talking and keep people talking. without us having to add a ton of resources always need some wasn’t a little bit of a nudge, but not having to spend massive amounts of budget to continue people talking about your brand. So get this as a Jay is fond of saying get this wherever it is that you acquire books, whether it’s online or offline, it is fantastic. You will get a lot out of it. Follow the process. That’s the other thing that’s really important about this book that 99% of you’re going to read this book, go cover to cover. Oh, yeah, that’s a really good idea. And that’s going to go read on the bookshelf. And you’ll never look at, again, 1% of you will follow the steps in the framework, do them do the exercises, and you will be the ones who will crush your competitors. Because this book is only as good as the effort you put into it. Following the framework, the 456 framework that’s in here if you follow that framework, you will create at the very least something worth talking about and quite possibly the next big thing so pick this up, read it then do it and enjoy the success that comes with it. Book is talk triggers available again, wherever books are sold by Jay Baer look for the alpacas on the front and you know you’ve got the right book. Thanks for watching. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel. In the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon.

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October 3, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: Causes of Direct Traffic in Google Analytics
Parker asks, “Why is my direct traffic so large in Google Analytics? Are people really typing my website in that much?”

In this video, I review the top 10 causes of direct traffic misattribution in Google Analytics™, including 4 causes that are under your control and fixable. You’ll learn what direct traffic is, why it wrecks attribution analysis, the causes, and how to remediate the various causes.

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In today’s episode, Parker asks my sites, web traffic. And Google Analytics is so big in direct traffic. Why are people really typing in my websites address that much. This is a very common misconception. People believe that direct traffic is when you type in the URL to your website and go there directly. And that’s what it originally meant in Google Analytics. However,

direct traffic has become a catch all for traffic that Google doesn’t know what to do with, like, okay, there’s no source, there’s no medium, there is no campaign set, there’s no

Edwards tags, there’s no UTI tags, there’s no referring source, so it goes in the direct bucket.

So direct traffic should properly be called uncategorizable traffic,

Google doesn’t know what to do with it. So it lumps it all on the direct bucket. Now, if direct traffic is 50% of your traffic, then you’re starting to run into really serious sampling problems, where you might be Miss activating what’s actually working for you. Because if you’ve got this tracking bug, there are 10 ish sources of direct traffic, which four of them really are under your control, six of them are not. So let’s go through what these sources are because they’re important and some of the ones that you can fix you should fix number one, typing in the URL, of course, is is direct traffic, there’s no attribution number two saved bookmarks. When someone clicks on the saved bookmark and their browser, again, that’s going to come in as direct number three secure encrypted browsers, there are some browsers that when they’re insecure mode, or when they’re in anonymous mode, for example, privacy mode, they will not be sending referring data and that’s important to know

number for certain email clients. Some mobile email clients like the Mail app on iPhone, some desktop clients like Thunderbird outlook, things like that any any links that don’t have a UTI tracking links, codes built into them will come in as direct because there is no browser. So it’s really important. If you are not using a UTI tracking code system you should be absolutely should be the only way to keep your your data clean. Number five is messaging apps. So we chat line kick Tango, all these new messaging apps, they all have your browser’s kind of built into them for clicking on a link. But when you tap on that link on your phone, it’s direct traffic because those those pieces of software don’t have attribution,

Facebook Messenger does, but its body

and number six on the things that are more or less out of your control non web content. So if you have PDFs on your website, if you have mp3 is on your website, those will show up as direct traffic because you can’t put it Google Analytics tracking code in them.

Now,

the solution to a lot of those problems, at least for things like secure browsers and stuff is to be using the UTA tracking codes to Google Analytics tracking codes in every link that you share in every link that you’ve published. So that there’s always a tracking code to be that it can refer to

That’s hard. It requires a lot of discipline, it requires you to have your spreadsheets or databases or something that as a repository for your links so that

things don’t go on a trip we did. But it’s the only way

to guarantee the attribution for a lot of this things like messaging apps and stuff. So be meticulous about that use good marketing automation software, good marketing automation software typically will have like a its own link shortener built in that preserves those tracking codes. So that’s important

for things you do have control over. Number one is untracked web pages. So if you have a page on your website where there is no tracking, go know Google Analytics tracking code. And the visitor goes there first, and then goes to another page onto your website where there is a tracking code. But guess what, that’s direct traffic, because your site’s essentially referring traffic to itself. And there is no campaign source, there’s no source or medium or campaign attached. So make sure that every page or at least every important page on your website has a Google Analytics tracking code. And there are a number of tools that you can use. To do that, I use one called scraping. It’s a Python script. And you just customize it to make sure that has the tracking codes checkers in it. A big one is secure to non secure. So if your website is not using SSL if you don’t have a digital certificate on it, and someone comes to your website from a secure site. So they were on New York Times calm, right. And, and that’s a secure site, it’s got little lock icon, and they come to you, they click on a link and they come to your website, guess what, if you don’t have a secure website,

the what happens is Google Analytics says, Hey, secure data is coming into an unsecured website, drop the secure

data. Because we don’t want to cause a leak, we don’t want to cause

interception of the secure data. So without a digital certificate,

proper digital certificate in place, all that all that website to referring data gets lost. So if you are in, for example, the public relations and media relations field, and you have a client who does not have a secure website, you cannot do attribution on your media relations, because you have no idea how much is getting lost, because that client does not have SSL turned on their web server. So super important that sites have a digital certificate operational and valid. and other one is broken redirects. Particularly if you’re using a redirect that is client side, meaning it’s JavaScript based, rather than server side, if someone bounces gets bounced around, bunch of times, stuff may get stripped off stuff may just get dropped along the way, if it’s client side where the page does a refresh with something like JavaScript, it’s definitely not carrying over any referring data. So that becomes direct traffic. And the last one of course is link shorteners is it when you submit a link to a link shortener, if that linked is not tracked,

they didn’t put the ETF tracking codes, it’s going to come in as direct as well. So there are a lot of ways to lose data and, and some of them are preventable, all of them can be compensated for in some way with proper use of UTI tracking code. So it’s really important that you use your GM tracking codes. It’s important that your website be functional. It’s important that your Google Analytics or Google Tag Manager code be operational on every page. And it’s important for that website to be secure. Those are the ways that you can minimize the impact of direct traffic. And then once you’ve done that, then you can go ahead and start doing attribution analysis safely on your website site. But without all this stuff in place, it gets super risky so

make sure you follow those steps. If you have questions,

please leave them in the comments below. And as always, if please make sure that you subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care

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October 2, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: Growth Tips for Stealth Startups
Peter asks, “Do you know any good case studies, examples how to promote a company when it’s still in a stealth mode and is preparing to launch (for promoting it as soon as it’s out of the stealth mode)?”

The key to a successful launch is all about audience. Learn what I did to help launch Trust Insights out of stealth mode and what’s changed since GDPR became enforceable.

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In today’s episode, Peter asks,

Do you know any good case studies or examples how to promote a company when it’s still in a stealth mode as preparing to launch for promoting it as soon as it’s out of the stealth mode?

So there are this is an interesting question because the what’s a lot has changed. In the old days, it was really easy, you would go in and get some funding and then buy a list. And then as soon as you were ready to go, you hit the list and and off you go

with

launch of GDPR earlier in,

that’s no longer viable strategy. Because that’s a violation of GDPR, one of the things that GDPR says is you may not use a customer data in a way that the customer is not explicitly allowed you do so and so buying list no good in general, you can’t buy list anymore. It’s it is a prohibited practice. And now with some of the new privacy laws coming around to the United States, that will be the case even for companies that are solely within the United States. So what do you do

the answer today needs to be you need to bring in other first party audiences and that comes from influencers

you would need to work with an influencer to

that is topically appropriate and say to them, Hey, I’m getting ready to launch a startup where it’s still in stealth mode. There’s nothing to promote, can I first

publishing, disclose, I’ve got a stealth mode startup, if you’re interested in hearing about it,

can I post a blog, run a YouTube video or whatever the case may be, and then also

get the influencer to

work with you to promote tracking on their digital properties for your startup. And it would say something along lines, you know, when all these sites now how these little

pop up and say, you know, here’s how we use cookies,

it would go into the privacy policy, it would go into the cookie policy would say, one of the provisions is by allowing cookies, you are also opting into select retargeting offers, and that’s and, and for those consumers, and who give

their permission to

have their information, have their profiles be tracked. That’s then how you would start to build up that audience. Because you would get all these influencers, who giving permission to you to

track their

audiences. And then when it comes time you launch with that audience,

it really, really helps as a startup if one of your influencers happens to also be one of the people who work at the company, because then it reduces is that friction substantially. When we launched trust insights earlier this year, one of the core platforms that we use to launch the company was my mailing list, my YouTube channel, my Twitter channel, and so on, and so forth. Personally, I’ve been building these channels for 15 years.

And as a result, when we were able to launch when we came out of stealth mode, there was a ready made audience of 25, 200,000

people, depending on which platform you look at, to immediately appeal to which substantially reduced the amount of time it took to get up and running.

If you don’t have access to influencers, then you have to go with advertising. And you have to go with high spend high frequency

targeted still,

but on the day of launch and hope that your advertising is compelling.

And you’re going to follow that Bob stones, direct marketing rules, right? list offer creative Do you have the right audience, which is the list Do you have right audience that you’re advertising to. So you might be using Facebook or LinkedIn or whatever the cases do, you have the right offer for that audience saying, This is what we want to promote that would be of interest to the audience. And this is really important, because those two things the list and the offer our have to be in sync,

if you’re

a startup that’s offering frying pans, and but your list of people who hate cooking, it’s gonna be a bad time, right. So those two have to be in sync. And then the creative has to be something appealing, that will get through to, to what people want to see and hear.

So it may not be AdWords, for example, it may not be Facebook ads, it could very well be demos on YouTube.

The catch if you don’t have that advanced audience list setup is that you have to accelerate your spend and really in the first week after launch, you have to hit every possible channel as hard as possible and spend a lot of budget an easy way to think about this is if you have a launch month think about launching the last week of the month but having that entire month’s worth of ad budget you’ve allocated spend be spendable in that last week and then you ramp down in the following week when the new month to what your your average monthly spend would be across the month

in order to try and capture as much attention as possible because for that first period of launch in order to be seen over other advertisers you have to outbid them so depending on how competitive your sector is you may have to outbid them substantially so

that’s the the general process and the

third thing that

is possible

is that you can work with media relations and public relations firm to do

to obtain press coverage under embargo for your company here’s the catch

most journalists are not interested in writing about stealth mode companies even at launch because there’s a good Jillian and a half of these most of them don’t survive and if you if they can’t get the details about why the company is compelling it’s gonna be very difficult to write a story that’s available on time and to

unless you or company and your product and service is really really noteworthy like Tesla noteworthy or Apple noteworthy,

no one’s going to care right yet another startup launches with yet another thing event. And,

you know, it’s founders by us, you may think it’s revolutionary, realises like y’all I’m seeing that before,

or they may not even understand what

it is you offer. And so obtaining coverage for your startup is is very difficult whatever you do don’t waste money on a press release. It’s a horrible idea. They’re expensive and they do almost nothing so influencers upfront before launch and then advertising pedal to the metal that first week spend that month budget you know in the end that first week to get to cut through the noise. Those are the two best ways to get going

you’re not going to be able to rely on things like SEO because if you’re in stealth mode by default if you’re in stealth mode you don’t have any content available right so

you will want to publish all your content the day you can go public

and make sure you do all the technical SEO things that get you ready for launch and get your site indexed sooner rather than later because Google’s algorithm now no longer has like 90 day waiting periods for things it is within the day but that’s not a challenge going to help you right away it really is gonna come out to influencers advertising and then maybe some some media relations but focus on that influencer side if you can get those influencers on board you’ll do okay. As always, if you have questions, please leave them in the comments and please subscribe to the YouTube channel in the newsletter Talk to you soon. What help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems.

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October 1, 2018
#FridayFeeling: 6 Principles Protecting Your Job from AI & Robots
In this episode, learn who’s most likely to lose their jobs to robots and AI, and what the six fundamental principles of great customer experience are. By embracing the six principles, you’ll be less likely to lose your job to a robot. Watch the video for details.

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In this episode of Friday feeling

I was at the local fast food restaurant the other day

and went to the drive thru ordered

two burgers and fries for my kids. And it took 14 minutes now these were not complex orders This was number eight number number two on on the menu so pretty canned orders and they’re not known for me burgers fresh.

So

I took 14 minutes and there were no was one of the car in front of it at the drive through.

And the restaurant itself was relatively on ground. There’s like four or five dinars that I could see from the windows. And yeah, 14 minutes. By the time I actually got my

order, there were cars lined up around the entire franchise. And wow, it took a really, really long time

for two burgers.

When you think about

where companies are going to want to use artificial intelligence and robotics and robotic process automation. And all these things.

It is it follows the same rules as all essentially all b2b marketing, right? Which is save money, save time, make money, or prove the value of someone or something. When you have a customer experience that is mediocre or poor.

That is the first candidate for replacement.

Because saving money is fine. Saving Time is better. Because in this in the world we live in now time is is more valuable. Well, the money but making money is the most important when you look at how companies are judged, particularly on Wall Street, they are judged on their ability to make money to the ability to crank out revenue.

And

some of that is cost savings. Absolutely. But a good chunk of that is focused on our customers getting what they want

Amazon’s Jeff Bezos has a great saying says focus on what does it change what doesn’t change, particularly in in an example like this, the restaurant example is that customers want faster, they want cheaper. And then what better, fast, cheap, good, faster, cheaper, better, is is timeless. When you look at what has made Amazon successful, faster, cheaper, better,

where humans will lose jobs is if they are not faster, cheaper, better.

So in the context of this fast food restaurant,

they weren’t faster. That’s for sure. I mean, 14 minutes for two burgers is it is a fairly long wait particular for the drive thru line.

They are cheaper because it’s it’s a fast food chain. And the service was not better

The service was certainly I would describe it as

So where will this company optimize more faster means taking more slow humans out of the mix and replacing them with faster robots. We already see this at some fast food restaurants. Some fast food restaurants have things like kiosks and mobile apps where you can order ahead and there’s no human taking in the order at all. It’s the the customer specifying it. And while the customer individually may be slower to order, then human pushing buttons on the screen. The customers got to push buttons on the on a similar screen on their phone or on a on a big kiosk. It shifts the burden of time to the customer. And the customer feels like they’re more in control.

So that sort of front end job starts to be reduced

cheaper.

There are some operational things that could be done to make it cheaper for the most part, it’s already pretty food, but better

when the customer experience when when what the human is delivering to the another human is is certainly an unfriendly

a robot is at least courteous even if it’s fake courtesy. And when every time I I talked to one of my smart assistants they always say you know thank you where you’re welcome or something like that

they don’t mean it you know, it doesn’t make this little smartest feel better when I say thank you. And it says you’re welcome. It’s a it’s a transactional conversation with no actual empathy or depth to it. But at least it remembers at least it remembers to do the thing and it does the thing flawlessly if emotionless Lee

thing about customer experience as a scale, a bar a

set of bars, right? There’s terrible, mediocre good, great, great is not in danger from AI great is not in danger from robots. Because part of the customer experience is that greatness

is is going to a restaurant and having the front desk person the the concierge or or the waitstaff recognize you and say hey how you doing good to see you again haven’t seen in a while, the sushi restaurant but I go to nearby, they remember being my kids. I mean, so remember names, but they remember us. Same for the Korean restaurant. I go to the remember who we are. And they are generally pleasant.

So there’s good or great customer experience. When you have mediocre or terrible customer experience. That’s a candidate right there. That’s

that’s a candidate right there for replacement because the robot and the machines can deliver a mediocre,

guaranteed mediocre experience,

it will be bloodless, it will be emotionless, it will be satisfactory, but when but when satisfactory is a step up from terrible

customers are going to choose satisfactory even if there’s not a human involved.

So think about those dimensions, right? customers on the company’s on the b2b side want to save money, make money, save time or prove value. And on the consumer side, customers want faster, cheaper, better,

if you’re not delivering on the b2c side with faster, cheaper better

your your candidate for replacement and the more things you don’t deliver on, the faster that job is going to go away.

If you are delivering fast

and your cost effective and the experiences terrific experiences noteworthy, then you Your job is reasonably safe.

On the b2b side, if you’re not saving money, saving time and making somebody money

you’re in trouble, right. Marketing automation and, and sales CRM, automation chat bots and things. If they can deliver

me make money faster, or save time faster. That job where at least that task will go to the machines. And that’s okay. One of the things I think is interesting is looking at

looking at the way people behave. There’s a company called momentum machines that has a burger machine now in San Francisco as massive 14 foot machine that makes custom burgers to order five minutes from order to to fresh burger, guaranteed five minutes because machines making him

and what do the humans do? Well, they actually get a chance to deliver the food and talk to customers. And so that relationship building is where they spend their time now, as opposed to flipping the burger and taking forever to to get a trio.

So as long as again, as long as you’re focusing on faster, cheaper, better. And for the human side. As long as we focus on better we have jobs.

So think about that.

If you’re thinking and you’re concerned about who’s going to get the jobs replaced. are you delivering faster, cheaper, better in the end customer experience? are you delivering make money, save money or save time on the business to business experience. If you’re no matter what side of house you’re on, if you’re not delivering those unchanging things, figure out how to pivot so that you are because that’s the only way you protect the work that you do and the employment that you have.

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September 28, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: How to Leverage Higher Education Teaching Experience
Amber asks, “I’m applying to a MBA Specialized Master’s in Marketing and this question has been eating at me. I have a BS and MA in Communication with 3 years of teaching experience in higher education. Do you have any advice on using this experience in the application process?”

Teaching is a combination of disciplines when done well. It’s public speaking at scale. It’s curriculum and content creation at scale. It’s managing people and designing outcomes.

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In today’s episode, Amber asks, I’m applying to a, an MBA specialized Master’s in marketing. And this question has been eating at me I’m a BS, Bs and MA in communication with three years of teaching experience in higher education. Do you have any advice on using this experience in the application process? Interesting question. One thing I would ask and

no disrespect intended, are you sure that you need the MBA It sounds like you’re already fairly well qualified with both a BS and an MA in in communications.

Now, if you want the NBA for the academic knowledge, which is because the MBA encompasses things like, you know, operations, finance, accounting, the actual administration of business, then, you know, that think that’s a great idea, because certainly things like accounting and finance are total separate disciplines in a lot of ways. And having that experience with an MBA would be valuable for things like running your own business. So

teaching is the aspect that I would leverage here. And the reason I say that is that teaching when it’s done well, when someone is a good teacher encompasses a few different skills that are highly valued in the business space that a program would look at, that an employer would look at, think of the MBA application process in some ways as a job interview because it is in some ways and think about your portfolio with that in mind. So what are the things that

teaching gives us Well, for one thing, teaching is

public speaking at scale, you are a public speaker every day you walk in the classroom and deliver the the information that you want students to to learn and so there’s there’s a lot of value in emphasizing that if you can get permission to do so if you’re assuming you’re still are teaching you definitely want to do some video recordings of yourself teaching can crop out you know any of the images that the students if there’s privacy concerns, but you want that experience recorded on video of here’s you at the lectern going through the lesson, fielding questions, demonstrating expertise, those are certainly things that that video real is very, very helpful for teaching is a curriculum design. So it’s thinking about how do you logically order a very large amount of information to get people to absorb it. And then it’s in many cases, content creation, it’s not just throw the textbook on the on the table and say, Hey, kid, read this, maybe that was the way it was done, you know, 3040 years ago. But today’s modern classrooms

certainly require a lot more interactivity, a lot more prepared materials by the instructor. So when you showcase your

your experience in the application process, you’re showcasing that curriculum design and that content creation at scale piles and piles of notes, and slides and handouts. And all the things that in of course, an academic education setting, like an MBA are going to be things that someone will will prize, because when you’re talking to academia, about academia, it’s a very familiar relatable thing. Last time I was at Wheaton College was doing some guests teaching there with my friend cc Chapman. And yeah, you when you are preparing a a lecture for college students, it is as rigorous as preparing for a roomful of you know, thousands of people, because in many cases,

when you’re teaching when you’re when you’re being a public speaker, on stage, at a conference, for example, emotional people are there because they want to be and they’re in your session because they want to be and and they’re interested in your topic, specifically, when you stand set foot into a classroom of college students were there because they have to be or they perceive themselves as they have to be, I may, they may not be as interested in your specific topic. It is a very,

very challenging in a good way environment to how do you how good of a speaker Are you can you engage them, can you get them interested, continue to fall asleep.

So being able to be that public speaker and to design that content for them that hopefully they can relate to, and then created and distributed. The third thing that the academic world the teaching world gives you is being able to manage people and design outcomes, particularly

in management. There are fundamentally two kinds of power, right, there is role power, I am the manager, you are the subordinate, you will do, as I say, because the choir will fire you, right. That is role power.

In the second kind of ours relationship. Power. I’m, I’m a manager, but I want to help you as a person grow, I want to help you succeed. Because we use succeed, I succeed

and you build that relationship with somebody. The teaching environment gives us lots of experience with relationship power, because barring, you know, egregious misconduct, you can’t fire a student right, you can’t say you can’t expel them from your classroom for not doing what you say. And so you have to learn how to manage people solely with relationship power to get the outcomes that you want. As a teacher, you want the students to learn, you want the students to succeed, you want the students to pass their exams and graduate with a decent GPA, which means they have to do the work which means that you have to encourage them to do the work without beating them over the head. Because you can’t you’re not allowed to,

you are not allowed to apply punitive measures to students by and large, particularly in higher education because there really aren’t any other than the grade itself. So learning that relationship power and being able to demonstrate that you’ve learned the nuances of relationship power are very valuable because in a lot of corporate settings, if you can use relationship power you don’t have to use willpower willpower

particularly when you

use it clumsily

breeds resentment, it breeds bitterness,

it

creates passive aggressive non compliance whereas if you’re using relationship power, you’re saying to people, hey, here’s here’s the objective and we both want to get there you may not know that you want to get there but here’s how it benefits you and here’s what’s in it for you. And if we do this together, we can achieve an outcome that helps both of us. And so that’s I think probably the most undersold part of of what teaching teaches you is how to manage with relationship power, how to manage people when you don’t have power, but you still need the outcome that you want because that role as teacher is significantly diminished and its power from from the way it was 50 or 100 years ago. So great question and hopefully this is helpful. Think about the things that if you’re going for an MBA, you intend to go into management, right? Think about the things that managers value highly that a program would want to teach you and that you’d want to bring into the program to be able to share with your fellow students and ideally succeed so that your our future career after the program is a credit to the institution which which launched you as always, if you have questions please leave them in the comments and please subscribe to the YouTube channel in the newsletter and we’ll talk to you soon take care want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems.

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September 27, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: Are You Ready for Data Science?
Today’s question comes from nearly everyone who’s interested in doing business with Trust Insights, my company:

“How do we know we’re ready for data science/AI/machine learning?”

The answers aren’t technical as much as they are attitudinal. Watch this video to learn who’s ready and who’s not.

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In today’s episode, a question asked by a number of people actually, typically as part of the input process for when they’re looking at doing the data science project with my company trust insights. The question is, how do you know that you’re ready for data science and machine learning or artificial intelligence? And there are a number of answers to this

to start there are with classical measures of readiness. Certainly, on the vendor side, IBM pioneered the what’s called the band framework back in the 60s, which is, you know, budget authority need timeframe Do you have budget, you have the authority to make decisions to have a defined needing you have it define the timeframe, but that’s more for like specific projects, though, the neat part is important is Do you have an actual need to have a problem that you need to solve the bigger issues? The bigger questions to answer is our one Do you have the the the data infrastructure for such a project? Do you have a strategic outcome that you want? And most importantly, are two attributes, I think, to personality attributes of you, and have your executive team and all that stuff.

Number one, are you curious? Do you want to know the answer? In a lot of companies? There are people who are in curious, you’re like, just Just get me something that tells me this answer.

Some of the worst abuses I’ve seen to this are in market research, where someone will commission a market research from say,

Get me a survey, get me findings that reflect the answer that I want. That is the height of in curiosity, it is unethical. In cases it may be illegal, and it is clear that attitude is one in which you’re not ready for data science. You’re not ready for machine learning, you’re not ready for artificial intelligence, because what you will create will at best, be garbage worst be actively dangerous to your company. If you have an answer that you want to get like, I want I want the I want you to tell me that give me 8% growth for the next year, five years. It’s not how that works.

So being curious, being legitimately curious, I want to know the answer to this was, what will the growth be over the next five years?

What could we do to be more profitable? What would deliver a better health outcome? All these questions that are open ended that say, I would like to know the answer to this curiosity is so important.

And the second

attribute of a company that is ready for data science ready for machine learning, ready for artificial intelligence? is

you have to be comfortable with two kinds of answers. I don’t know. And an answer that you don’t like. The second one and answer you don’t like is also a common thing that market research terms. Look in foreign clients. My friend Tom Webster Edison research says this is you have to be comfortable with an answer. That

wasn’t what you wanted,

right? So you may commissioners today, but you may

like yeah, I would like this to say x, you know, you don’t insist on but it like to say, and then it comes back saying completely the opposite. You’re like,

that’s awkward.

And so being able to be comfortable with that an answer. You don’t like my friend and handling calls and being comfortable with being uncomfortable, you’re out, you get an uncomfortable answer back and you’re like, Okay, how can we interpret this? Or how can we make use of this and still get value out of this answer? The other answer that’s an important one is I don’t know, you may get back and answer that may be the equivalent of I don’t know, or there may not be there there.

Say you commission a, an attribution analysis of your marketing. And what comes back is it’s not clear it’s not clear what the answer is.

And there can be a number of reasons for that dirty data, incomplete data, biased data, there may be, but there may be something in the ingredients that is wrong enough that any answer you get is going to be statistically insignificant or statistically wrong. And thus,

the answer will be I don’t know, I don’t know what the answer is. Your question is because things went wrong in the precursors that that essentially created a flawed answer. An ethical data science firm and ethical machine learning from an ethical artificial

intelligence firm or a practitioner, if you’re working with a person

should

be up front, you’re going to get an answer you don’t like sometimes that’s going to happen, you’re going to get an answer. It’s unclear, you’re going to get no answer at all, sometimes, or you’re going to get an answer like, well, I could have guessed that Well, yeah, of course, you could have guessed that it’s your data, you should have some sense of what’s in your data already. You may not be statistically significant, it may not be correct, but you have a general feeling because you know, your business probably better than any practitioner unless they’ve worked at your company for a number of years, you know, your business and, you know, the human side of the business, the the non quantifiable part of the business and so answers like, I don’t know, or I already knew that or

this is the answer that you weren’t expecting. You’ve got to be comfortable with being uncomfortable with those kinds of answers.

So

those are the meta attributes, the bigger picture attributes that you look for in yourself, in your company, in your colleagues and in your vendors to identify whether or not you are ready for a Data Science Initiative some kind

as always, if you have comments or questions, please leave them below and subscribe to the YouTube channel the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care what help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing. This is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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September 26, 2018

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