Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Author: Christopher S Penn

  • Being louder isn’t the answer

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    When you want to hit a target, do you walk up to it with a large hammer and hit it? Or do you nock an arrow and pierce it with a well-aimed shot?

    When you want to amplify the flavor of a dish, do you add more of every ingredient? Or do you find a particular spice, a specific flavor, and add just more of that?

    When you want to be heard in a loud room, do you simply shout louder? Or do you whistle, tap a glass, or even sing one musical note?

    All three of these are examples of how to apply force in a focused way to generate an effective result. As the digital space gets noisier, more crowded, and more complex, your ability to scale, to be everywhere, diminishes commensurately.

    To be heard, to be seen, to be sensed, you must find a point to put your strength behind. Is Facebook your thing? Go all in on it, and give less and less to the things that aren’t your strength.

    Try this simple test. Open your Google Analytics. Find your traffic acquisition by Source/Medium (Acquisition > All Traffic > Source/Medium):

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    Look at the top 10 things generating traffic to your site, assuming that traffic is a significant goal. Consider all of the things you do every day that aren’t on this list. What’s the opportunity cost of doing those things versus doing more of the things above that are clearly working?

    Play to your strengths. The alternative is to dabble, exert a little focus everywhere, and get nowhere.

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  • What home improvement stores should teach you about buying marketing technology

    Ever gone to a big-box home improvement store? I certainly have. They’re a DIYer’s paradise most of the time. My favorite section is usually the sharp objects portion of the store, where the knives, axes, machetes, and other pointy things are kept.

    When you’re in the store looking for tools or supplies, how do you decide what to buy?

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    I recently bought a new electric screwdriver; this is the general process of how that happened. First, you have to get a sense of where to look. Screwdrivers and refrigerators aren’t going to be in the same section. Taxonomy counts! Once you’re in the correct general section of the store, you look up to find the aisle you should be in. After you locate the aisle, you find the section of shelf that contains the products you want.

    Once you’re at the shelf, how do you determine what’s the best tool to buy? Most people, like me, first look at the prices. What can I or can’t I afford? Not much point looking at DeWalt if you can only afford Ryobi. After you’ve found the price bracket that you can afford, you start comparing features in that set:

    • How many volts does the screwdriver have?
    • What kind of battery?
    • Most important to me, what warranty is on the box? Manufacturers generally make warranties last only as long as they expect the tool to last. A product with a 1 year warranty means that in the lab, in 366 days the product probably fails.

    For tools, which are things I tend to break in fairly short order, warranty is the feature that makes or breaks what I buy in my price bracket.

    Compare this to how we select marketing tools. Is the process similar? I’d argue that many marketers begin the process lost. They’re not even in the right section of the store or looking at the right aisle. A fair few marketers I’ve talked to ask about analytics tools when they’re really talking about monitoring tools. They ask about media tools but their goals are really lead generation. If you’re selling people marketing tools, or if you’re buying marketing tools, know what section of the store you need to be in. I strongly recommend thinking of Scott Brinker’s MarTech landscape as a map of the marketing tools store:

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    Once you know you’re in the right section, think about how we normally buy and then think about how vendors sell. Vendors sell by pushing features and benefits hard, and a fair few dodge any question on price. I’ve even had a vendor say that they don’t discuss pricing until after a demo. Almost needless to say, that vendor never got a followup call.

    Work with vendors who disclose their pricing up front so you know what you can and can’t afford. Finally, once you’ve narrowed down the pricing bracket, decide what feature is going to be most important – and that the vendor provides it.

    For example, I recently tried Act-On Software, a marketing automation tool. The tool seemed promising, but Act-On’s main benefit was their support and on-boarding. This was a mismatch. I’m a highly technical user; I wanted them to give me the setup information like SPF records, then get out of my way so I could speed through setup and be productive immediately. They wanted to hand hold me through the process and refused to give me the data I wanted until after I finished the on-boarding process and training. I canceled the service within a week. Is their service bad? No. It’s just not the way I work. It’d be like a screwdriver that required me to complete a tutorial before using it. Some people would want that and absolutely love it if products worked like that. I’d return it immediately.

    This comparison to how you normally shop should give you an idea of how to more carefully evaluate marketing technology vendors:

    • Make sure you’re in the right section of the store.
    • Find the price bracket you can afford.
    • Look for the key feature that’s most important to you and see which product has the most of it.

    With that, your marketing technology tool selection should be a little easier!

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  • The big news is over at SHIFT

    No blog post from me today. Why? The big news is over at SHIFT. I’m super proud of our agency for achieving a milestone that I’ve personally been pursuing for years now. Go read.

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  • Combine Bitly, Google Analytics, and Google Sheets for Winning Metrics Analysis

    I was asked recently by Social Media Examiner for my top social media tool recommendation for 2015, as a lead up to my talk at Social Media Marketing World. Here’s what I came up with:

    When you combine Google Spreadsheets with the Google Analytics plugin and Bit.ly’s out-of-the-box integration, you have a powerful, free analytics dashboard solution. Everything’s in one place, and as a bonus, you can customize the reporting to incorporate more than one Google Analytics profile. That’s a significant help for consultants with more than one client.

    James McCarthy followed up to ask:

    “I just watched a Google video and saw how to enable the Analytics plug-in with Spreadsheets. Seems straightforward enough. How to go the next step and do the Bitly integration? Thank you.”

    Bitly’s role is to determine how many things you’ve shared that get clicks. While Google Analytics will tell you what social posts drove traffic to your website that you’ve shared, it won’t tell you about the overall engagement of your shared content, which presumably contains links to other sites as well as your own. Bitly helps to solve this by reporting on how many clicks any Bitly link gets, regardless of when it’s shared, or who it’s shared by.

    This is driven by Bitly’s integration with Google Spreadsheets, the documentation for which can be found here. You’ll need a free access token from Bitly’s developer page to make the magic happen.

    For example, in this spreadsheet, I’ve pasted all of the Bitly links I’ve shared in the last couple of weeks:

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    The formula in the cell V5 above is:
    =IF(ISURL(B5), IMPORTDATA(CONCATENATE(“https://api-ssl.bitly.com/v3/
    link/clicks?format=txt&unit=day&units=-1&rollup=true&access_token=”, ACCESSTOKEN, “&link=”, B5)), “”)

    If I can’t remember what a link is, I can use the expander function in the Bitly API to re-lengthen the shortened URLs:

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    The formula in the cell above is:
    =IF(ISURL(B5), IMPORTDATA(CONCATENATE(“https://api-ssl.bitly.com/v3/
    expand?format=txt&access_token=”, ACCESSTOKEN, “&shortUrl=”, B5)), “”)

    And if I want to see what’s been re-shared and on which social network, I can use the Shares function in the Bitly API (admittedly not real clean, since it spits back raw JSON):

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    The formula in the cell above is:
    =IF(ISURL(B5), IMPORTDATA(CONCATENATE(“https://api-ssl.bitly.com/v3/
    link/shares?access_token=”, ACCESSTOKEN, “&link=”, B5)), “”)

    Anyone who’s got a method for cleaning up raw JSON inside a Google Sheet, please leave it in the comments!

    With the Bitly API and Google Spreadsheets, you can construct a fairly impressive dashboard and identify things like the most reshared content, the links that get the most engagement, and so much more. The entire reason for using Google Sheets is so that you can have tabs for all your Google Analytics data and Bitly data, then roll up just key analysis points onto a separate sheet or even workbook.

    I can sort my Bitly links by click and identify the topics, by link, that get the most engagement vs. the topics that get crickets. From there, I can make a decision whether to focus more on certain topics to boost overall social media engagement. Blended with Google Analytics data, I can also see whether the most popular topics are resulting in actual conversions down-funnel or not, a critical point!

    Thanks for the great question, James.

    Disclosure: Bitly is a client of my employer, SHIFT Communications. I receive indirect financial benefit derived from them being a paying client. Bitly did not provide any assistance or resources for this blog post, nor did they ask me to write about them.

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  • How to market your podcast, part 5: Measuring success

    Podcasting has found new favor with the marketing world. Marketers are creating podcasts left and right, but are spending so much time on creating it that they forget to market it. This series is for you, so that people listen or watch your new creation.

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    Interested in a real-life example? Check out my marketing podcast, Marketing Over Coffee!

    In today’s installment, let’s talk about measuring the success of your podcast. It’s one of the most controversial and tricky areas of podcasting. In podcasting, there are 4 sets of metrics that you likely have access to: feed/file, reach, web, and marketing metrics. We’ll dive in from the top.

    Feed/File Metrics

    Feed and file download metrics are the earliest form of podcast metric. They are essentially the number of times your digital files have been downloaded and the number of people subscribed to your RSS feed. While basic in nature and easy to understand, they’re highly unreliable for two main reasons: caching and completion. Many services such as iTunes, Stitcher Radio, and other podcast listening software will make a copy of your episodes and serve them from their servers. This reduces load on your server, which is not a bad thing. However, one copy made of a file from your server can be played hundreds or thousands of times, and you won’t know.

    Completion is the second reason why feed metrics are unreliable. Just because someone’s subscribed to your show or downloaded your episodes doesn’t mean they’ve listened to you. Here’s an example from the Freakonomics Podcast that’s on my phone:

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    As you can see above, I’ve listened to none of these episodes yet. However, they still count as downloads. If you’re trying to gauge the success of your show, it’s relatively easy to see how misleading feed and file numbers can be.

    Reach Metrics

    Reach metrics are the top of the audience and media funnel:

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    • How many people in your audience have you exposed to your material?
    • How many have engaged?
    • How many have clicked on a podcast player in your Twitter feed, for example?

    These numbers will come from a variety of sources like social media listening tools, Twitter and Facebook audience tools, and can be part of your overall podcast analytics package. If you’ve got a huge social following but no one clicks on anything, then you don’t have much reach into your audience.

    Web Metrics

    Downstream from audience and engagement metrics are things like web analytics. Assuming you’ve set up the basic content infrastructure for your podcast, you should have web analytics available to tell you how people are finding your show and how often they stick around.

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    All of the basic web analytics metrics apply, such as new and returning visitors, form fills, and pageview/engagement times.

    Business Metrics

    Finally, down funnel even further are your business impact metrics. Who did something meaningful such as sign up for an email newsletter, ask to speak to a sales representative, or even buy something? Here’s an example of my on-site survey asking people how they heard about me, personally:

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    For this survey period, 2 out of the 13 people who filled out the survey indicated that my podcast was part of the way they found me. That’s fairly compelling.

    The Big Picture

    Each of these metrics should be lined up in a dashboard or report so that you can see – and your advertisers/sponsors can see – what kind of numbers you’ve got. I’ve taken metrics from each category and combined them into a spreadsheet, then charted it out for a big picture view of the health of the show:

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    What do we see?

    • [1] is the subscriber count. We’re looking for direction here more than anything, because of the aforementioned caching and completion problems.
    • [2] is the reach number. This combines media mentions, social shares, and other measurements.
    • [3] is website traffic, straight out of Google Analytics.
    • [4] is email list subscriber growth, the number of people signed up for the Marketing Over Coffee mailing list. Again, looking for trend here.

    I could add in all kinds of other metrics, too, such as LinkedIn group members, Twitter followers, sponsor revenue, etc. in their appropriate buckets, but this is more an example than anything. When you do this for yourself, you will almost certainly have to resort to pulling all the data together in a spreadsheet. There are just too many data sources that aren’t connected to each other to build an all-in-one dashboard that isn’t custom-made.

    Advanced Big Picture

    Using the visualization and analysis techniques from my book Marketing Blue Belt, I can take the above data and figure out what the trends are:

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    The blue lines were simplified into 14 day moving averages for visual clarity. The black lines put atop them are trend lines (2 degree polynomial fitting) that show the general momentum of each data series. What does this tell me? The top two series, subscribers and reach, are going in the wrong direction. The bottom two lines, web analytics and email list growth, are doing okay. Thus, from this analysis, I should spend more time growing the audience in order to restore momentum there.

    Wrapup

    Each individual metric above has issues. Combined, they can paint a picture that gives us some sense of what to do and whether things are going in the right direction or not. There are more advanced podcast metrics available, but typically out of reach for smaller shows like mine. Tom Webster and his team at Edison Research have the scoop on the top shelf stuff.

    This also concludes our how to market your podcast series. I’ll have either a book or webinar (or both) coming at some point in the future, but for now, this is a good start. Thanks for reading, and be sure to tune into Marketing Over Coffee!

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  • Blueprints, marketing strategy, and execution

    Take a look at this house:

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    This is from 1921, when you could order a house (or at least all the materials to build one) from a Sears Roebuck catalog.

    Despite being almost 100 years old, this house plan is still practical today. You might make a few materials changes, and some minor specifications might need to be altered to be compliant with modern building codes. For the most part though, you could build and live in this century-old design today.

    Why? Fundamentally, the house meets all of the basic requirements of what a house is supposed to do. It accomplishes the big picture goals quite handily. Protection from the elements? Check. Comfort? Sure. It may not be palatial, but it’s better than a tent. Attractive? Maybe not out of the box, but lived in for a while, it could be the centerpiece of a wonderful garden.

    Now think about the things that wouldn’t be in this 1921 design. No wi-fi, probably no telephones in general. No air conditioning. May or may not have been wired for electricity; anything in a Sears Roebuck catalog was targeted at suburban and rural areas.

    Are any of these conveniences insurmountable? Of course not. They’re minor tweaks and add-ons to the house as a whole and they don’t substantially change the purpose of the house.

    What does this have to do with marketing? Marketing folks lately (especially the growth hacker movement) are fond of saying that strategy is worthless. Strategy is unnecessary. Strategy is too static, too inflexible, too difficult for an agile, digital landscape.

    What’s fundamentally wrong is confusion of strategy and execution.

    The strategy of marketing is to generate leads within a certain timeframe that sales can sell to. The strategy of marketing is to position the company as a leader so that it’s the first and only choice for your customers.

    When you view strategy through this lens, you realize it’s just like the house framework above. You can adapt the tactical implementation and execution endlessly. You can choose channels, methods, budgets, etc. to infinity. At the end of the day however, you’ve either generated enough leads for sales or you haven’t. Your company is a category leader or it isn’t.

    Don’t be too hasty in your disregard for marketing strategy. It’s difficult to do, but it’s even more difficult to be successful without it.

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  • How to market your podcast, part 4: Twitter tactics for exposure

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    Podcasting has found new favor with the marketing world. Marketers are creating podcasts left and right, but are spending so much time on creating it that they forget to market it. This series is for you, so that people listen or watch your new creation.

    Posts in the How to Market Your Podcast series:

    Interested in a real-life example? Check out my marketing podcast, Marketing Over Coffee!

    Today, let’s switch over from the strategic perspective to the tactical, nuts and bolts perspective.

    We’ll start with some tactical Twitter tips for getting an episode seen or heard using unpaid and paid methods.

    Unpaid Methods

    First and foremost, make sure you’ve got your podcast registered with Stitcher Radio. Stitcher has a nice Twitter integration for sharing episodes.

    Next, find your most recent episode:

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    You’ll see the Tweet button. Hit it to get the URL for copying and pasting.

    Once you’ve gotten it, you can either Tweet as is, rewrite it, or better yet, include it in scheduled Tweets. It’s a good idea to include some hashtags if you’ve got a specific topic or theme. You’ll note I included #SEO. When you tweet with a Stitcher URL, this nice player is what shows up on Twitter. Note that you can hit Play below and hear the episode right inside the tweet – even embedded on my website:

    This is a nice way to show off your most recent episode. It’ll get some views and some plays, depending on how large your Twitter following is and how in tune with your show they are.

    Next, go to Twitter search and type in: looking for new podcasts. You’ll see a whole bunch of people asking about new shows:

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    Look carefully at their requests. For example, in the graphic above, the person asking about podcasts at work might be a good candidate for Marketing Over Coffee, since my show is a work-related show. For the other shows, don’t just blindly reply. Ask if they’re interested in your topic, and if they affirm, only then share your show with them.

    If you’re operating on a zero dollar budget, stop here. The above tips will help you grow an organic audience.

    Fast Cheap Good

    It will not be fast, but it will be cheap, and if you do it with respect, you’ll build a good audience.

    Paid Methods

    If you don’t have a ton of Twitter followers but you do have some budget, not to worry. Just a few ad dollars can help fix that. Head over to Twitter Analytics at analytics.twitter.com. Click on the Tweets button:

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    Scroll down until you find your most recent episode and then click View Tweet Details:

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    Now all you need to do is find the Promote Tweet button in the lower left hand corner and hit it:

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    And specify how much you want to spend. The tweet will be promoted to your followers and most important, to people who follow topics you mention in your tweet. Remember the hashtag you put in your tweet? This is how the ad software knows who else to show your tweet to.

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    For $10, you can get some additional engagement with your show and ideally pick up some new listeners. From here, it’s simply a question of how quickly you want to grow and how much budget you have to expend. It’s fast and it’s good, but of course, compared to unpaid methods, it’s not cheap.

    However, your show is more than just passive listeners. What if you want to build up the mailing list so that you can reach out when you need to? In the next post in this series, we’ll look at how to beef up the email list.

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  • How to market your podcast, part 3: Content strategy

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    Podcasting is the new darling of the marketing world – a genre that’s been around for over a decade, but only now is getting serious attention. If you’re thinking about starting a podcast, this series is for you, on how to market your new podcast.

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    In order to achieve your business goals, ultimately your podcast has to have an audience. No audience = no results. So how do you build a podcasting audience? That’s today’s topic.

    Building audience is composed of two core components: audience strategy, the who, and content strategy, the what. In the last post, we covered the who. Let’s talk about the what.

    The What: Content Strategy

    Without good content, no amount of marketing is going to build your audience. Mediocre content will churn listeners as fast as you get them. Bad content won’t even accomplish that. You’ve got to have great content. More important, you’ve got to have several different kinds of content in several different formats to reach your audience reliably.

    For example, many podcasts are audio. A few are video. Your audience can’t easily preview either. Thus, you need to have written content to accompany your multimedia. Podcasting old-timers call these “show notes”, but you can call them whatever you like as long as they make sense. Show notes can be literal transcripts of what’s said, or time-based outlines, as we do with the Marketing Over Coffee podcast. As an added bonus, if you’ve got show notes, you can provide additional accessibility to the hearing impaired.

    On top of that, there are typically 4 additional media properties beyond the audio/video files themselves. A great podcast probably has an email list so that listeners can receive notifications when new episodes are available. Services like Mailchimp or Feedblitz do this well; simply tie in your podcast RSS feed to the service and it’ll send email every time you publish. If you want to get more sophisticated, you can send out a weekly or monthly recap email as well.

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    A great podcast should build social media properties associated with it – Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn are good starting points. Pinterest, Instagram, Snapchat, etc. if your audience is there. If you’re not sure how to check, read the bottom of this post for a neat trick to find your audience. These social properties are another set of avenues for notifying listeners when a new episode is available for them to consume.

    Podcasts focused on growing audiences will have advertising channels available to them. This can be something as simple as AdWords text ads or something as complex as media buys and placements in other podcasts. Remember that you don’t have to spend a fortune for paid promotion; things like sponsored Tweets and paid Facebook posts can cost as little as $5 to start.

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    Finally, podcasts that want to be found put those show notes onto a website or blog, and that blog is kept up to date and fresh. Search engines cannot reliably index either audio or video yet. I use WordPress for everything, especially since WordPress also automatically creates podcast RSS feeds. Make sure no matter what that your website is mobile friendly.

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    That’s your content strategy checklist, the assets you’re going to need: show notes, email list, social network profiles, ad buys, and website.

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    Together, they’re like marketing Voltron, a whole bigger than the sum of the parts. (fun fact, Voltron was originally called Beast King GoLion in Japan)

    In the next part in this series, we’ll dig into a couple of tactics that bring these strategies to life.

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  • How to market your podcast, part 2: Audience strategy

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    Podcasting is hot. The business world wants a piece of a huge and ever-growing audience. I’ve been podcasting for over 10 years, and it’s never gotten as much attention as it is today. In this series, we’re examining how to market your podcast.

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    In order to achieve your business goals, ultimately your podcast has to have an audience. No audience = no results. So how do you get a podcasting audience? That’s our discussion topic for today.

    Building audience is composed of two core components: audience strategy, the who, and content strategy, the what.

    The Who: Audience Strategy

    Who is going to tune into your show? Who is your audience? How are you going to find them? These are not existential questions. These are at the heart of your audience strategy. Audience strategy is composed itself of two parts – the handles and the outreach.

    First, let’s talk about the handles. This is a colloquialism: putting handles on something means making an item portable, giving people the ability to pick something up. Your podcast needs handles, and that’s principally built into the name. Is your podcast’s name shareable? Without share ability, your show will not reach new audiences.

    Here are two easy tests to determine your potential share ability:

    Test 1: Pick up the phone and make a voice call to a friend (not a text!). Ask them to remember something but not to write it down until 5 minutes after you hang up. Then tell them the name of your podcast and its associated domain name.

    Contact them in 5 minutes. If they get the name and domain name right, your show might have solid handles. Remember, you’re dealing in audio and video media – any calls to action will have to be recalled from memory by your audience. If the name of your show isn’t obvious, easy to spell, and memorable, people will not remember in order to refer your show to friends.

    Repeat this test with a different friend, but wait a full hour. If you get the same positive result both times, you’ve really got something.

    Test 2: Pick up a smartphone and ask Siri/Cortana/Google to go to your podcast’s domain name. If it gets the domain name right more often than wrong, you’ve got something with handles. If the robots can’t get the name right, then your show name might not have strong enough handles. Remember that podcasting is deeply tied to mobile, which means you’ve got to be findable in the ways that people search on mobile devices:

    Finding by voice

    Next, let’s talk about building the audience persona and outreach. This is NOT the same thing as a sales persona in which you identify a potential buyer. When you’re talking about media and growing audiences, you’re much higher up the funnel than a purchaser. Who will listen to your show? Who will gain benefit from it? If you’re not sure how to find your potential audience online, do some basic media research and find out how big the potential audience is. Google your top discussion points:

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    In the search for digital marketing above, we see lots of news about the topic. News is a positive indicator that people want to hear about the topic. That’s the first step, understanding if there’s even demand.

    Next, let’s look for people. Search Twitter for your top discussion topics:

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    Based on this very basic research, you should be able to determine if people are actually talking about your topic, what they’re saying, who they are (by checking out bios), and how much conversation there is.

    Next, look in Facebook’s free Audience Insights tool for your topic to get a sense of what the audience demographics and makeup are:

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    With these free tools, you’ve now built a basic idea of your audience. You know if people are interested in the potential content idea from Google. You know if people are actively talking about it on a grassroots level from Twitter. Finally, you know what that audience looks like from Facebook Ads. If your show idea and content are still viable after this audience profile, you’ve set yourself up for potential success.

    You’ve now got a good idea of what to call your show and where to start building your audience. The other half of audience building is your content. Stay tuned for the next post in the series as we discuss content basics for your podcast marketing.

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  • How to market your podcast, part 1: Where to start?

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    Podcasting is hot. It’s the latest darling of marketers (again), owing to the dominance of mobile devices and the decline in quality of mainstream media. In this multi-part series, we’ll be learning how to market your podcast.

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    If you’re thinking about starting a podcast, there are 3 major tasks ahead of you:

    1. Creating the podcast.
    2. Getting people to listen to the podcast.
    3. Getting some business impact out of the podcast.

    Guess which category marketers and podcasters spend 90% of their time on? #1. Marketers and podcasters fall victim to the “build it and they will come” mentality around podcasting. It’s easy to understand why: podcasting is a labor of love. It’s incredibly resource intensive. When you’re done creating an episode, you’re so smitten with it that you assume everyone else will be, too. Thus, you invest a lot of time in creation, but give short shrift to marketing.

    How should you allocate your time?

    I’d say 40/40/20. Spend 40% of your time creating a great show with unbelievable content. That’s important. Spend 40% of your time marketing your show and promoting it. Spend 20% of your time on analytics and measurement so that you know the podcast is working.

    Where do you start?

    At the end! What are the business goals that the podcast will achieve? You might want lead generation. You might want brand awareness. Back in the day when I did a financial aid podcast, the show was partially about lead generation but mostly about thought leadership. There are lots of business goals you can strive for, but the key is business. Podcasting for podcasting’s sake is fine if you’re doing it as a hobby. If you’re doing it to bolster your overall marketing, then it needs to be tied to down-funnel business impact.

    For Marketing Over Coffee, John Wall and I set out the goals of generating revenue through sponsorships, securing speaking gigs, and building a large, reliable database for rainy days. Once we knew what our goals were, we could work backwards to determine the intermediary steps needed to achieve those goals.

    For example, generating revenue through sponsorships is all about building an audience that advertisers want. We needed to show that we have high-quality listeners. To build that rate card, we needed data about our listeners. We created a LinkedIn Group which analyzes our audience and presents data that’s useful for rate cards. For example, we can see how senior our group is:

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    Or what job function they hold:

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    Since we don’t actively promote the group anywhere else except the show, it’s a reasonable conclusion that the group is representative of show listeners. This gives us a solid rate card to use in marketing the group to advertisers.

    Having the framework for a rate card is great, but having a credible rate card requires having an audience. How do you build a podcasting audience? We’ll cover a little bit of that in the next post in this series.

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