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  • You Ask, I Answer: Google Checking for AI Content?

    You Ask, I Answer: Google Checking for AI Content?

    In today’s episode, Thomas asks if Google will check for AI-generated content. I explain Google wants happy users, so they’ll likely focus on content quality, not authorship. Satisfying users is key, so don’t worry if content is AI or human—make it good. Tune in to learn why Google cares about content quality, not creation method.

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    In today’s episode, Thomas asks, What would be the impact of Google implemented a content check in its algorithm one day to distinguish between AI written and human written content? Okay.

    If Google were to implement that check, they will use it for feature engineering, they would essentially say this was AI written, this was human written.

    Does that feature matter? In terms of what the user prefers, because all of Google’s algorithms that we’ve seen so far, are about two things.

    One, optimizing to get key people using Google.

    And two, optimizing to keep people using Google because they get good results out of it.

    And so if Google were to implement that check, it would be to determine if AI written content was better than or worse than human written content.

    And this is, this is the heart of what they have said about their own search algorithms, they have said, we don’t care who wrote it, we care that it’s good, we care that satisfies searcher intent.

    And that is something that a lot of SEO folks are having a real hard time with.

    And a lot of content creators to Google’s agnostic.

    Google wants happy users, happy users are returning users.

    Returning users are people who are essentially using the search engine.

    And that in turn means showing more ads, etc, etc.

    So there’s no surprise there.

    In Google’s intent, they want us using their service.

    So does it matter? Whether it’s AI or human written content? Not really.

    What matters is, does the user get what they want? And if you generate two pieces of content, right? One is AI made, and one is human made.

    And AI one is better.

    The user is going to favorite by staying on page longer by not pogo sticking out of it by engaging with it more than me by sharing it, etc.

    And so the AI content will win.

    If the human content is better, the human content will win again.

    One of the things that is pretty unlikely is that Google is going to spend a lot of time trying to distinguish between whether or not a piece of content was written by machine or human because that’s a computationally very expensive thing to do.

    Right? It’s computationally very expensive.

    And as a result, that would slow down search listings, that would that would complicate the results that you get.

    And there’s not a clear indication as to why you would do that unless you’re regularly required to do so.

    There’s not clear indication why that would make sense for Google to do.

    Because at the end of the day, Google just wants you happy, and staying on this site and using Google.

    So I would expect less that they would say, Hey, this is AI written a human written and much more focus on is it satisfying user needs because the reality is if you’re good at using generative AI, you will produce good content.

    If you are good at writing, you will produce good content.

    Both things are the same.

    Both things are people using the tools that they have to make stuff for the user.

    And to the extent that it makes people happy, Google will favor it.

    So worry less about whether Google is going to be checking your content for AI or not, and more about whether the content even is appreciated by the audience by the people that you want to have viewing it.

    And if it’s any good, is the content any good? So that would be my suggestion.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI Content Sameness in SEO?

    You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI Content Sameness in SEO?

    In today’s episode, Al asks if AI will flood search with repetitive content, requiring paid ads for visibility. I explain how generic prompts produce generic content, but specific prompts enable unique content. However, even in a sea of sameness, distinctly valuable content will stand out organically. So create content people genuinely want, and you won’t need to pay for visibility.

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    In today’s episode, Al asks, “Would AI offer a sea of sameness that would render organic rankings useless? Would everyone need to pay to play through paid ads in Google search to get any traction?” So, there is a risk of a lot of similar content being created because of the nature of artificial intelligence and because people’s prompting skills are not sufficiently developed to the point where they can create truly unique content with a lot of generative AI models, tools like ChatGPT, for example.

    When everyone is typing in, “Write a blog post about B2B marketing,” right? Yeah, you’re going to get a lot of sameness.

    The more specific and detailed your prompts are, the more unique your content that comes out of a generative model is going to be.

    If you said, “Write a blog post about B2B marketing in the industrial concrete industry, focusing specifically on trade shows and events, and appealing to stakeholders of different generations with an emphasis on Gen Z as the upcoming new buyers.” Guess what? There’s a lot more words in there.

    There’s a lot more context in there.

    There’s more for the model to grab a hold of and generate new content.

    So yes, for a while, you’re going to have a lot of the same as people start using these tools and realize that yes, they can create content very quickly, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s any good.

    Does that mean that you have to pay to play? Maybe.

    So there’s two things on this front.

    One, the recent testimonies for, gosh, I’m trying to remember which trial it is, but Google’s basically been on trial.

    And in those depositions on trial, it has come out that things like running ads does influence search rankings to some degree, as well as user behaviors like clicking on search listings influences the search algorithms as well.

    So does it mean that you need to run paid ads? It probably doesn’t hurt to do so.

    But on that sea of sameness, here’s the thing.

    If everything is the same, right, then yeah, Google’s not going to know necessarily what to do.

    But if something stands out as being substantially different, something is obviously different in a better way, right? If you think about it, you can spot it very quickly.

    Google can spot it very quickly.

    Hey, there’s something in this pile here that’s different than it will stand out.

    Remember that Google doesn’t spend a lot of time looking at content itself.

    It crawls it, it indexes it, and displays it in rankings.

    But user behavior and what people do with it, how quickly they pogo stick in and out of listings, how long they spend on a page, what they engage with, what other listings they they go back and forth to.

    And now of course, with search generative experiments, they have to keep asking questions because the answers were not satisfactory.

    All of those things are things that Google’s algorithms can take into account faster, and it’s computationally a lower weight than trying to do a lot of natural language processing.

    People forget that Google is a massive, massive entity with a ridiculous amount of data.

    And the search engine itself has to return results very, very quickly, which means it doesn’t have time for elaborate computations.

    What it’s doing is essentially taking, as far as we know, taking this numerical summaries of the features it’s already indexed and returning those in relevance.

    So what that means is if your content stands out to humans, if people engage with it, they like it, they share it, they click through to it, and they don’t come back for a really long time.

    If Google Analytics sees that, you know, obviously that it is also tracking data and sending it back to Google, depending on whether you check that box in your GA, install or not, all of that contributes some level of signal to Google.

    So if you are creating content that people actually want, like really want, you will not need to pay for it.

    It doesn’t hurt to pay for it, but you won’t need to pay for it.

    But the challenge for a lot of marketers is most of their content is not that good.

    Most of their content is not worth spending a lot of time with.

    And here’s the bench test for you.

    Your company’s content, the content that you’re marketing and promoting, would you willingly read it if you were not employed by our company? Now, assuming you were still in that industry, right? If you were left in, if you work in industrial concrete and you left the industrial concrete industry, you would have no reason to read industrial concrete content, period.

    But if you were still in the industry, just didn’t work for your company, would you still find your content valuable enough to read it? If the answer is no, then you’re going to have trouble in rankings no matter what, because people simply just don’t want what you have.

    And that is the eternal battle for SEO, for content marketing, is making stuff that people actually care about and want.

    The more people want it, the less you got to pay to promote it, because other people will do the marketing for you.

    And it is so trite and so cliche and yet still 100% true.

    If you have something people actually want, they will do the marketing for you.

    So that is the hard part.

    That is the part that you’ve got to crack to make search in an AI world worth it.

    You’ve got to have stuff that people want, whether you wrote it, whether an AI wrote it, doesn’t matter.

    It’s just got to be so good that people actually want it.

    Anyway, that’s the episode for today.

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  • Almost Timely News, October 29, 2023: Key Roles in Your Generative AI Pilot Team

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    What’s On My Mind: Key Roles in Your Generative AI Pilot Team

    Today, let’s talk about who should be on your AI pilot team. Well, first, let’s talk about what an AI pilot team is. Many, many organizations right now have individual people trying out generative AI for all kinds of purposes, from drafting emails to content creation to coding. Very few of those uses are officially sanctioned, supervised, or audited, which can lead to some pretty big problems down the road – problems like data leakage.

    This is really the heart of the matter: generative AI is a transformative technology. Like electricity or the Internet itself, generative AI changes everything it touches. And like electricity and the Internet, it can be used for great good or great harm. Clamping down on the use of generative AI with a bury-your-head policy and point of view handicaps your organization. More progressive, more risk-taking competitors will adopt generative AI while you hide from it and they’ll eat your lunch. They’ll be faster, cheaper, and better than you. That’s not a winning formula for success.

    But a free-for-all, no-holds-barred approach isn’t a winning formula either. People will use it for tasks they shouldn’t – either because the task itself isn’t well suited for AI, or there’s substantial risk, like working with protected data in unprotected systems. For example, someone who uploads personally-identifying information into a system like ChatGPT is basically handing protected information to an unsanctioned third party. That’s not the right approach either.

    The best choice is that centered approach – neither too risk averse, nor too reckless. But how do we get there? That’s the role of an AI pilot team. What is an AI pilot team? It’s a group of people selected to help build out use cases for generative AI, do small-scale pilot projects to validate the use cases, and help create standard operating procedures that enable AI without compromising safety or harming innovation.

    To achieve this goal, an AI pilot team needs a very specific set of skills, skills that help achieve the overall goal of enabling AI in your organization. The right people with the right roles will quickly dispel misconceptions and roll out practical use cases for your organization to adopt generative AI.

    What are these roles? In no particular order, you will need five major roles:

    • Data expert
    • Business expert
    • Subject matter expert
    • Technical expert
    • Supervisory expert

    Let’s step through what each of these roles do on an AI pilot team.

    The Data Expert

    The data expert’s role is very straightforward: to know what data is available within your organization, where it lives, who has access to it, how protected the data is, and how, if at all, that data can be surfaced for use with generative AI.

    In the pilot team, the data expert is essential for knowing what data you’re allowed to work with and help develop use cases for generative AI with that data. This doesn’t necessarily have to be someone with a formal database or data engineering background, either – it just needs to be someone who knows where the data is and what you’re allowed to do with it.

    The Business Expert

    Someone on the pilot team has to ask the question that my partner and CEO Katie Robbert asks me all the time, which is, “So what?” What’s the purpose of any given use case? What does it do for the business, for your department, for the goals you’ve set out to achieve.

    Generative AI is the shiny object of the moment and everyone’s still trying to figure out what it is and isn’t good at, but someone has to ask the So what? question on a regular and frequent basis so that the pilot projects make sense. Eventually, when you present your results to your stakeholders, they’ll ask the same question, so it’s easiest if you start with that question in mind.

    The Subject Matter Expert

    In many companies, the subject matter expert is not the business expert. How the company makes money is different from how the company does what it does. The lead food scientist is not the CFO or the COO, even though both are important. The subject matter expert’s role on the AI pilot team is to bring deep knowledge about the company and its core competencies, mapping what’s known about existing processes to generative AI capabilities.

    For example, suppose you work at a bakery. The subject matter expert would be the head baker and would be able to help you understand how the existing recipes were developed. You’d use that knowledge to work with generative AI, maybe to create some new recipes, and then your subject matter expert would inspect the outputs and say yes, that’s feasible or no, that recipe won’t work because a large language model somehow assumed baking powder and baking soda are the same thing.

    The Technical Expert

    The technical expert’s role in an AI pilot project is clear: their job is to help manage the implementation and usage of generative AI. They provide knowledge about what AI can and cannot do, help map AI to current processes, and do the deployments of generative AI within pilot projects.

    Here’s where we’re going to get a bit challenging. The technical expert, by definition, is the person or persons in your organization who have the most experience with generative AI specifically. Not a general technical expert necessarily, not an IT person, but the person who has the most hands on knowledge of generative AI.

    That might very well be the most junior person on your team, or the janitor for all you know. But whoever it is, they need to be on the pilot team because they’ll be the best at helping bring use cases to life.

    The Supervisor/Scientific Expert

    It’s fine to tinker around with generative AI, to test out different things and see how things go. However, once you start building out an actual AI practice, winging it and tinkering are unsustainable strategies. It’s what companies did most wrong with the advent of smartphones in the workplace. Companies ignored them or tried to ban them and employees kept bringing them.

    If we want to avoid the same mistake this time around, we need a scientifically-minded expert on our team, someone who can set up the testing and measurement of our pilot use cases, show meaningful and mathematically sound improvements, and critically ask the one question that is almost never asked enough in AI:

    What could go wrong?

    The scientifically minded expert knows to ask that question, knows to plan for all manner of scenarios going sideways, and knows to anticipate problems in advance when designing experiments and test cases.

    Rolling Out the Roles

    You might be saying to yourself right now, we don’t have nearly enough people to build out a team of five just for piloting AI. Or you might be in the opposite boat and saying a team of five isn’t nearly large enough to encapsulate all the different departments and roles and use cases in your mammoth organization. That’s why I call these roles instead of jobs. One person can play multiple roles in smaller organizations, and many people can participate in just one role in larger organizations.

    For example, at my company, I play the role of the data expert and the technical expert. Sometimes I play the role of subject matter expert, sometimes not. Katie often plays the role of the scientific expert and the business expert. What matters is that someone’s fulfilling all five of the roles in some capacity so we don’t have a dangerous blind spot.

    At a large enterprise, I could see each of these roles being part of a pilot team in every department. HR might have its own pilot team with one or more people in each role. Finance would have its own pilot team. Sales would have its own pilot team. Again, as with the small company, the key is to ensure you have all five roles covered in some capacity.

    Your AI pilot team, properly staffed, will be the vanguard, the scouts ahead of the army who spot the obstacles and clear the path for everyone else. In a different issue, we’ll talk about the soft skills you need for each of the people on the pilot team, because there are some critical personality traits you do and don’t want on your AI pilot team. For now, start thinking about who your AI pilot team might want to have on it, and what roles they’ll play.

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  • Mind Readings: Flip Your PR Strategy in the Age of Generative AI

    Mind Readings: Flip Your PR Strategy in the Age of Generative AI

    In today’s episode, I explain how PR strategy must change for AI systems. Language models build knowledge from massive text sources. To influence them, get your content on as many sites as possible. Tune in to learn why guest blogging everywhere now boosts your brand.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about public relations strategy in the age of generative AI.

    traditional PR strategy kind of goes like this.

    Let’s go out and tell the world that we’ve got this thing a product services, our company etc.

    Awesome.

    And we want to go after reputable publications, we want to get into top tier publications, tier one publications is what PR folks likes to call them.

    The New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the CNN, and gadget publications with lots of readers, lots of attention, lots of audience, good reputations, well known, etc.

    And this strategy is a good strategy for traditional public relations.

    It makes a lot of sense that if you get your company into the Wall Street Journal, lots of people read it, lots of people read it, lots of people will be influenced by it to some degree, and it helps your company.

    That is not how AI works.

    And this is why your PR strategy in the age of generative AI has to kind of be flipped on its head.

    There’s nothing wrong with pursuing the New York Times, right? There’s nothing wrong pursuing a sausage humans daily, you know, or the daily Telegraph or the Sydney Morning Herald doesn’t matter.

    There’s nothing wrong with those publications.

    And if you can get in them, great.

    You’ve done a good job.

    You have passed by the sort of editorial gatekeepers to be seen and be perceived as valuable by those companies.

    Good job.

    If you look at how language models know what they know the models that power tools like chat GPT, they are powered by very large bodies of text.

    There’s a service run by a nonprofit called common crawl, common crawl just goes out and scrapes the web like the whole thing.

    Each of their data sets around like six petabytes of data, which is like 6000 MacBook Pros in terms of the amount of disk space we’re talking about.

    So it’s there’s a big, big, big data sets.

    And what AI companies do is they ingest all that text data, and they start building statistical representations of language.

    So when you ask a language model, who are some influencers in b2b marketing, it goes and creates this is a dramatic oversimplification, but basically goes and creates big word clouds of all the words it’s seen around each of the words in your prompt, and the way those word clouds intersect, b2b marketing influencers, those intersecting words are what it uses to essentially spit up its response.

    That means that a story in the New York Times, and a story on Chris’s blog, have the same general weight, one is not more important than the other.

    A front page story on CNN, and a piece on Chris’s Tumblr.

    From a mathematical perspective, they’re the same thing.

    So what that means is this.

    If you want to influence a topic within a language model within its knowledge base, you have to have a lot of text on the internet that associates you with the topics that you care about.

    That in turn means you need to be in a lot of places.

    But contrary to normal public relations, those places don’t have to be tier one publications.

    The East Peoria Evening News, the Metro West Daily News, some guy’s podcast show notes, right? As long as it’s all publicly available, and it’s not absolute garbage.

    It stands a good chance of getting itself into a language model.

    And so this strategy now means it is worth your time to be in the local newspaper, it is worth your time to be a guest on that podcast is worth your time to guest blog on someone’s blog has two readers.

    As long as one of the readers is the companies that are making AI models.

    Right? That’s how this is so different than years past.

    In years past, who has more eyeballs matters more.

    Today, it’s more about if you’re if you’re trying to get your company’s reputation and awareness and brand into a language model, you’ve got to have more of you.

    So your strategy has to be things like, yeah, say yes to every podcast.

    Say yes to every interview, say yes to as long as it’s on the web in a publicly accessible place, say yes to it.

    Because you need to be everywhere and you need to be providing a lot of information.

    This is one of the reasons I think things like being guests on podcasts is a really good idea because it’s not just a quick mention like usually happens on TV news, right? And Christopher Penn from Trust Insights is here to deliver 30 seconds of insight about something that really should take four hours to talk about.

    That’s your typical evening news show, right? If you get on a podcast where Yeah, you just riff and chat for two hours, then they post the two hour transcript.

    That’s a lot of text, right? And that goes on the web and gets indexed and found and processed by all these companies.

    And so you there’s just more about you.

    And then when these, these AI model makers crawl the web the next time, they are well, they just download the next episode of common crawl and put it into their databases.

    Now you’re in there in a lot of places with a lot of text around you.

    So it really is a volume play.

    And that changes your pitching strategy.

    If you’re a public relations firm, or your public relations professional, it changes your pitching strategy from off, we got a, you know, pitch really hard to try and get into this, this tier one publication to, hey, I wonder if this guy’s YouTube channel of five viewers would take us.

    That’s not a bad thing.

    In the age of machine learning in the age of generative AI, that is not a bad thing.

    Now, is it worth your time to do so that’s a trade off, but at least knowing that the text is out there is important.

    So who should you be looking for? If you want to change your PR strategy, you should be looking specifically for podcasts that post transcripts, you should be looking for shows that post on YouTube with closed captions files goes closed caption files are really important.

    You should be looking at guest blog posts pretty much anywhere you can get them, including places like Tumblr, or WordPress.org, or someone’s sub stack, and as long as it’s publicly available, it’s not paywalled.

    Be everywhere, be everywhere you can be so that the next time these models pull up all this text, there’ll be more of you in that massive mix around your topic around your area of focus and specialty, and a better chance that when someone asks the generic information query, who’s influential in insert your company here, or your industry there, you will be within the results.

    Different PR strategies in years past, but an essential one.

    If you want to influence language models, and generative AI, at least in the short term.

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  • Mind Readings: Stop Being an Hourly Knowledge Worker Business

    Mind Readings: Stop Being an Hourly Knowledge Worker Business

    In today’s episode, I reveal why it’s time for hourly knowledge workers to switch to value-based pricing. With AI making tasks faster, clients want big discounts on time spent. I suggest 3 options – cut rates, switch models, or do more per hour. Listen to learn which change you should make before it’s forced upon you.

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    In today’s mind readings, stopping an hourly business.

    If you are in hourly business in knowledge work.

    Now, that does not mean stopping an hour the business if you’re not in knowledge work.

    For example, if you are in plumbing, feel free to remain an hourly business that’s not going to change anytime soon.

    I’m specifically talking about things like marketing, communications, public relations, digital advertising, etc.

    Law, anything where you are predominantly doing knowledge work, and you’re billing by the hour, it is time to stop being an hourly business.

    Two anecdotes I want to share with you.

    First reminder, on September 17 of 2023, I warned you, and us and everyone of the death of the hourly business.

    This is about a month ago now as of the time recording this, and a lot of people reacted very strongly saying, Oh, let’s, let’s, let’s, let’s consider this.

    So two anecdotes that happened since then.

    One, was talking to a friend the other day, who said that at a one of her friends companies, they fired 80% of the marketing department, they fire like 80 people, and just laid them off.

    And the remaining 20 people are doing the same workload.

    They’re just doing it with generative AI.

    Are they doing it as well? Maybe, maybe not.

    Are they spending a lot less on headcount? Sure are.

    Those people were seen by their management as replaceable.

    And because of the way different tasks function, that it’s entirely possible there’s some truth to that.

    Now, the the nuance and the context to what’s happening is that this company made this very rash decision and then realized that the 20 people who are mainly didn’t really have any training and how to use generative AI.

    So it’s been kind of a hot mess at that company ever since.

    So it’s not one of those things you can just do and wing it and hope everything turns out okay.

    That’s anecdote one.

    And remember, of course, anecdotes are not data.

    But they are things to consider things that might be worth gathering data about.

    Anecdote number two, I was in an event this past week, I was talking to an industry leader.

    And they said that their peers, their agency peers are getting beaten up really, really badly.

    So it is now budgeting season, it is now, you know, next year’s contract season.

    And this person and their peers are getting beaten up really, really badly.

    In terms of getting contracts renewed.

    When we dug into the discussion a bit more, they said, our clients are coming to us and saying, we know you’re using AI, we know you’re using generative AI, everybody’s using generative AI, we know that it doesn’t take as long as you say it takes for a task.

    Because generative AI speeds things up tremendously.

    We want an 80% price cut, we want to we want either change the retainer to be much less or dramatically cut the number of hours.

    Because we know that’s not the amount of time you’re spending on it.

    That was eye opening.

    Right? That was eye opening for this person and their peers.

    Wow.

    In September, what I had said was, it’s time to stop being an hourly business and time to move to a value based model as quickly as you can if you are in knowledge work, because generative AI is dramatically changing our space right when you can sit down with a tool like chat GPT and bang out an NDA.

    Do you need to spend 10 hours and, you know, 5,000 with your lawyer to do the exact same thing knowing they’re going to do that use just, you know, stock templates, and then customize those templates? Or can you do a first pass and hand it off to your lawyer to say, Hey, now can you please clean this up? The latter is a viable strategy, right? You are still relying on their expertise.

    But you are taking that grunt work out that they used to bill nine hours for.

    If you are in marketing, or in digital advertising, it used to take a really long time to write ad copy.

    Now you have machines that can write ad copy and do good first drafts.

    And then you tune them up, you polish them, and then you roll them out.

    So how do you? How do you deal with this situation? Well, there’s three different things you can do.

    Number one, you can agree, okay, yeah, we spent 80% less time.

    So let’s cut our cut our rates by 80%.

    Probably that’s not going to go over well with your stakeholders and with people who run your business.

    But if a client says that, and you’d rather not lose that client, and you’ll do whatever it takes to keep that might be an option to you move to a value based business, where you say, Hey, this is a project, this is what it costs.

    Do you care how long it takes? No, do care that gets done on time? Yes.

    You do care it gets done to level quality you expect? Yes.

    Moving to a value based business does take time, it does require changing how your your agency works, how your business works.

    But it is one of the ways to insulate yourself somewhat from this, this sea change that’s happening.

    And the third is, if you want to remain hourly business, you’ve got to do a lot more per hour, you’ve got to deliver a lot more stuff per hour so that a client says, Okay, I’m still paying you 20 hours a month.

    But now knowing that you’re using generative AI, instead of writing one blog post, I expect you to write 20.

    Right? You that’s the third way, the third approach.

    You have to decide as a business owner, you have to decide as an employee working at these kinds of companies, you have to decide as a as a client or as a vendor, which of these three approaches is an approach that makes the most sense to you, which is the approach that is the most sustainable for your business.

    I would argue that switching to value based billing is probably going to be the least painful for you, as long as you can justify Yes, here’s what you’re spending the money on.

    There’s the old adage that you know, when when someone got the plumbing bill for5,000, and they were asked what was all you know, what was all the for you here for five minutes, the invoice says, work time five minutes, knowing which valves tighten, you know, $4,950.

    That’s kind of the direction that proficient knowledge workers need to go.

    So those are two anecdotes that were very eye opening to me this past week.

    Change is coming to hourly knowledge work businesses changes coming rapidly.

    And if you’re not already feeling that you will be soon, as you get to contract negotiation periods, as you head into the next year, change is coming.

    Even if you don’t change, if your clients not may not change, you’re going to have competitors who have changed, who are going to add pressure in the marketplace, put downward pressure on pricing, because they can be more efficient if they’re using AI and you are not or they’re using it better than you are.

    So your next steps a make a choice as to which those three approaches you’re going to take and be regardless of those approaches, start getting proficient at generative AI, because that’s the way things are going to go in knowledge work industries.

    That’s the show for today.

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  • Mind Readings: Why AI Struggles With Sarcasm

    Mind Readings: Why AI Struggles With Sarcasm

    In today’s episode, I discuss why AI struggles with sarcasm and tone. I explain how statistical models can’t detect subtle inflections that change meaning. While today’s text-based AI misses nuance, future multimodal systems will interpret tone and context better. Tune in to learn why your AI tools may misunderstand certain inputs.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about why artificial intelligence generative AI struggles with certain types of language language like sarcasm.

    The problem is statistical.

    The problem is mathematical and the problem is multimodal communication.

    So let’s talk about what this means.

    Any sentence in the North American English language, for example, can be dramatically changed by intonation, even though English is not a tonal language, meaning the words don’t change meaning, because of the way you pronounce the word.

    For example, languages like Chinese intonation is very, very important.

    If you get the wrong intonation, you might mean to say mother you end up saying horse.

    Instead, we would, we have some words like that, but not very many for the most part, there’s a strict semantic meaning to the words that we say I could say mother and horse.

    And they’re distinct, right? No matter how much I change the pronunciation of those terms, they still pretty much mean the same thing.

    There are exceptions, of course.

    So in languages where you have very strict semantic meaning, and the intonation doesn’t change a whole lot.

    Machines have fairly good statistical distributions, right? They can understand that you say I pledge allegiance to the the next word probably is going to be flagged.

    I say God save the the next word is probably going to be either king or queen, it’s unlikely to be rutabaga, right? However, a lot of the meaning that comes out of language is also still based in tone, not because of semantics, but because of literal sound, right, the type of sound that we make with a sentence.

    For example, let’s say, let’s say, I really liked that pizza.

    I don’t know why I keep going back to pizza.

    If I say I really like that pizza, that’s a fairly neutral sentence, right? It’s a fairly neutral tone.

    And you can, if you were a speaker of North American English, you can pretty much take it at face value that I liked that pizza.

    If I say, I really like that pizza, same words on paper machine would see them the same way statistical distribution is exactly the same.

    But the intonation is different.

    The intonation communicates some of that sarcasm, right? That says, Yeah, I actually didn’t like that pizza.

    But a machine, a large language model, today’s text based large language models can’t hear, they can’t hear me say that.

    And as a result, they don’t understand that I’m actually negating the meaning of the text itself.

    Right? Think about if you’re joking around with a friend and you do something, and that friend just goes, Oh, my God, I hate you.

    Right? They don’t actually hate you.

    Hope not anyway.

    But the tone in which that’s delivered is enough for you to know they’re kidding around as opposed to you can imagine somebody just shouting at someone.

    Oh, my God, I hate you.

    Right? That is very different.

    That communicates more true to the meaning.

    And so this is the challenge that generative AI today faces with the use of text being a text medium.

    Text is code, right text is programming code.

    We program each other with language and we have to do a lot of language tricks when we’re just communicating purely in writing to communicate those tones because it’s not apparent otherwise.

    If you read the text messages of people or messages in discord or slack, half of the usage of things like emoji is to communicate tone in a way that you can’t just with text.

    If you read really well written fiction, you have to have a lot of description and a lot of context to understand what a character is saying.

    And even then, it can still be very ambiguous, right? If you if you watch an interpretation of a text in video, for example, take the Lord of the Rings, right? The way Tolkien wrote is not necessarily what is on screen.

    And so there’s a lot of interpretation that people have to take from the source text, when they bring it to the screen to make editorial choices that this is what the author meant.

    And that may or may not be the case, right? When when movies like Lord of the Rings were produced, you know, Tolkien had long since passed away.

    So there was no way to go back to him and say, was this actually what you meant in this text? Now, again, with skillful writing, you can communicate some of that tone, some of that context, some of the things that would indicate sarcasm, you might say, going back to example four, Oh, I really love that pizza, he said with a smirk, right? Or he said rolling his eyes, we have to provide the extra description in text to communicate those non verbals.

    But if we’re doing things, for example, like processing transcripts, or any other spoken word, where tone is being communicated, our machines are going to go awry, right? Our machines are not going to interpret them well right now.

    Now, here’s the thing that’s going to change.

    It is already starting to change because language models are becoming multimodal models, you have models like lava, or GPT, 4v, that can see and read, right? So they can take a text input, and visual input and mix the two.

    It is not a stretch of the imagination to have a text model combined with an audio model, so that a machine can listen to that intonation and understand the difference between I hate you, and I hate you, right? Same words, same statistical distributions, but very different meaning based on intonation.

    If you are running into cases where you are not getting the results out of a language model that you want, especially if you’re doing generation in the writing of text, consider how much non verbal communication is going into the writing that you’re doing.

    And then you may have to prompt it to, to fill in some context that isn’t necessarily there.

    Even if you’re using it in a marketing or business sense, remember that marketing and business are still human communication, there’s still a lot of that nuance, and that lot of non text communication, that if you’re not getting the model to do what you want, you might be running into needing to pull some tricks out of fiction, out of fiction writing in order to make the models work better.

    Something to think about as you’re trying these things.

    But that’s one of the reasons why today generative AI struggles with sarcasm, and why in the future, it may struggle much less.

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    One of the most common questions people ask me on a regular and frequent basis is, “Okay, but how do I get started with this stuff, with generative AI? Where do I begin? What tools should I use?” The answer to that question varies, based on what you want to do. Do you want to summarize text? Write stories? Compose artworks? To answer this question, I’ve put together The Beginner’s Generative AI Starter Kit, which looks like this:

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    You can download the PDF version here, no forms to fill out, just grab the PDF.

    Let’s talk through each of the components in the starter kit, because it’s important to understand it and the philosophy behind it.

    First, you’ll notice an absence of specific vendors for the most part. You won’t find named products for the most part on the starter kit; instead, it’s almost all foundation technologies. This is a conscious choice because the capabilities of foundation models evolve more quickly than most vendors are able to keep up with. For example, less than a month ago, OpenAI released GPT-4V, their multimodal vision model that can see image data you give it and interpret it accordingly.

    One of the best practices in AI is to stick as close to foundation models as you can, so that as their capabilities grow, your capabilities grow along with them. You want to avoid getting tied to a specific SaaS vendor unless they provide something that’s so compelling and so unique, nothing else on the market compares to it.

    This beginner’s kit also has the caveat that many of the tools listed are third party software, like ChatGPT. There are plenty of circumstances – confidential information, trade secrets, protected information – where using any third party tool is inappropriate or outright illegal. It’s your responsibility as a user to know when you should and should not use any given tool based on the sensitivity of the data you’re working with.

    Let’s talk about money briefly. You can use tools in their free versions, but know that the free versions are less capable than their paid cousins. For example, the free version of ChatGPT uses the GPT-3.5 model, which is substantially less powerful and less knowledgeable than the paid version’s access to GPT-4V. If you have the budget, pay for the upgrade for ChatGPT and Anthropic’s Claude 2.

    Okay, that said, let’s dig into this toolkit. Our first two categories are for purely text-based tasks. If you’re working with text that is under 8,000 words – like blog posts, emails, etc. then the recommended tool is ChatGPT+, the paid version, using either the 3.5 or the 4/4V model. Why? It’s the most used, which means it has the most known examples and the most people who can help you if you get stuck. GPT-4 is also the most capable model for these smaller text tasks.

    GPT-4 has a context window – which is technical for a working memory – of between 8,192 and 32,768 tokens. Tokens are roughly four letter fragments of words, so the previous paragraph is 90 words, 120 tokens.

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    That’s why if you use ChatGPT extensively in a single, long-running chat, it starts to forget things. When you use it for longer than its context window, it forgets what you said early on. That’s why, for text tasks over 8,000 words, I recommend using Anthropic’s Claude 2. It has a context window of 100,000 tokens, or roughly 70,000 words at a time. Now, why not use Claude for everything? It’s not as strong at some text tasks; the GPT-4 model in ChatGPT+ is still the best in class model for a lot of tasks.

    Okay, onto images. For image generation, there are two good choices. The free choice is Microsoft Bing Image Creator, which uses the OpenAI DALL-E 3 back end. This free image generator – and you get about 100 free image generations a day – is very powerful and very good. You need to use a Microsoft-supported web browser like Microsoft Edge to use it, especially on a Mac. You can also use it in the Bing mobile app on all platforms. For the paid choice, ChatGPT+ supports DALL-E 3 natively. This is my preferred choice because you can have a conversation in natural language with ChatGPT and it will in turn refine its DALL-E 3 prompts, which is a more intuitive and easier way to work with the image generation model.

    Creating images is one thing; analyzing them is another. Right now, two models support image upload and analysis – Google Bard and ChatGPT+. Bard is free and very capable; in my tests, it’s done pretty well with image recognition. ChatGPT+ is paid. In both cases, you upload an image and then you can ask the AI of your choice questions about the image. For example, you can upload a picture of your homepage and have it do UI testing, or upload a photo of a meal and ask it to list common ingredients and recipes for that meal. The only thing neither model is permitted to do right now is do analysis on images of people’s faces.

    Next up, let’s talk about realtime information. Tools like ChatGPT+ have large language models that are trained on known datasets. In many cases, those datasets are not current; ChatGPT+ ends its window of awareness at January 2022. Claude stops at roughly October 2022. If you need data that’s more current, you need to use AI that’s connected to realtime data sources. The two best choices here are Google Bard and Microsoft Bing. Both use their language models to build search queries, then pass those queries to their existing search services, and then interpret and rewrite the responses from their search services. This is the best way to handle freshness of information.

    When it comes to analyzing data, you can certainly input CSV or tabular data in text prompts, but it’s much easier to simply upload spreadsheets and have the AI systems do the analysis on that. The same is true for Excel files and other data formats. Today, the best tool for data analysis with AI is OpenAI’s ChatGPT+ with Advanced Data Analysis. It walks you through its analysis and produces operating code at every step; this allows you to store the code generates in case you want to run it again later. It’s also capable of the most advanced forms of data science and statistics; anything you can code in Python for data analysis, it can write for you.

    There’s some data, as I mentioned earlier, which absolutely should never be put into third party systems. Data that contains personally identifying information, sensitive protected information, protected health information, classified documents, state secrets, trade secrets – the list goes on of information you shouldn’t just hand to someone else’s systems. For situations like this, you must use AI that runs on your network or your computers, and your data never leaves those systems. Open source models like LLaMa 2 and interfaces like LM Studio are the way to safely use AI with sensitive information. These take more effort to set up, but they are free of cost and ideal for handling information that should not be in the hands of third parties without restriction.

    Finally, when it comes to coding, there are two choices. For writing most coding languages, ChatGPT+ using the GPT-4 model is arguably one of the best general tools. It can write in a multitude of languages old and new, from COBOL (really!) to modern languages like Swift and Python.

    COBOL code

    (pro tip for those working in financial services and other places with legacy mainframes – if your COBOL programmer has retired, ChatGPT can help.)

    There are specific open-source models that can outperform GPT-4 for certain languages; the CodeLLaMa model does so, particularly with Python.

    Now, let’s be clear: this is not all the use cases of generative AI. This isn’t even close. But this is a good starter kit for someone who’s just getting their feet wet, and a good generalist kit for accomplishing many tasks. These tools are the best starter kit on the market today, and I mean literally today; there’s absolutely no guarantee that a better tool in any of these major categories won’t be released tomorrow, making this thing obsolete. I’ll do my best to keep it maintained over time, though.

    Finally, an utterly shameless plug – if you’d like help getting training or strategic consulting on the deployment of AI in your organization, go visit TrustInsights.ai/aiservices to see all the different ways we can help.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Keys to B2B Influencer Marketing Success?

    You Ask, I Answer: Keys to B2B Influencer Marketing Success?

    In today’s episode, I share my key lessons and strategies for b2b influencer marketing success. I walk through the Trust Insights 5P framework to help brands excel in this space. I explain how to define your purpose, choose the right people, nail down the process, select the best platform, and accurately measure performance. Tune in to get actionable advice on running an effective influencer program!

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    In today’s episode, Caitlin asks, looking back at your experiences and observations, can you share a key lesson or strategy that you believe has been instrumental in the success of b2b influencer marketing campaigns? What advice would you give to brands and marketers looking to excel in this space? Here’s an easy answer.

    Figure out what you want to do.

    A lot of people do not know what they want to do with influencer marketing.

    They see it, they understand it at a surface level, like, Oh, let’s get a Kardashian, right? No.

    Trust insights.

    One of the things we recommend is a five part framework.

    We call it the five P’s purpose, people process platform performance, purpose, what do you want to accomplish? What is the goal of your influencer marketing program? Are you doing awareness? Are you trying to influence consideration? Are you trying to push nudge forward evaluation? Are you trying to spur purchase? Based on the purpose alone, that’s going to change the strategy of your influencer marketing program and dictate even what kinds of influencers to use because different types of influencers influence different parts of the customer journey.

    There are, for example, even retention influencers, people who are evangelists, people who love your product.

    For example, in in Salesforce, they have the what the trailhead folks, there are folks that whose influence is all about how do you get more out of the investment you’ve already made.

    That’s a retention mechanism that again, a lot of people don’t think of what they think of influencer marketing, they think, oh, let’s get a Kardashian, let’s get a big, big mouth.

    Instead of how do we retain our customers? How do we use influencer marketing to to create more loyalty with our products and services.

    So that purpose is really important.

    The process how are you going to manage your influencer marketing again, really critical? How do you manage this thing? How does this is a morphous thing? How do you turn it into something that is usable, right? That’s repeatable, that is scalable.

    There is the platform, there are a bunch of influencer marketing platforms out there, right? There are all these different communities, you have to decide how do you want to based on your strategy? How do you want to deploy things like community? Are you going to start a discord server? You may or may not want to depending on the the resources you have available.

    Who are the people that are involved and not just the influencers, but the marketers themselves? How are you going to be able to manage this? Are you going to be able to run this program? How are you going to be able to to work with and collaborate with people all across your company? Because again, if we think about the customer journey from awareness all the way to evangelist, you have influencers all along that spectrum is your program tuned for that and you have the people necessary to manage at each stage of that customer journey.

    And finally, of course, the performance, how do you know it worked? How do you know that influencer marketing worked? And this again, is one of those areas where companies really struggle, they really struggle to measure the impact of influencer marketing, there are statistical ways to do this.

    There are ways that are well proven that take algorithms and methods from things like biostatistics.

    Generally speaking, though, people who have experienced biostatistics don’t end up working in marketing.

    Generally speaking, that’s, you know, obviously, if you work in like life sciences, you know, those algorithms exist, and you may just may not have thought about porting them to marketing.

    But measuring the impact of influencer marketing is all about using those statistical skills to figure out what kind of uplift you’ve gotten in these areas because influencer marketing inherently most of the time is outside the clickstream, right, which means there’s not gonna be a report you can run in Google Analytics will say here’s what your influencers did.

    Again, how do you measure when an influencer is on stage at conferences? Hey, you should buy this software.

    This is what I use, right? There’s no click trail.

    There’s no referrals, you might see a spike in organic search.

    But how do you know that that’s from what happened? You need good tools and good methods for doing that statistical analysis.

    So that’s my recommendations and observations.

    The five P framework is something that you have to apply to influencer marketing, just like anything.

    And there’s a lot of drill down into each of those steps to get good answers, and to be able to explain to your stakeholders, here’s what we’re doing.

    Here’s why we’re doing and here’s how we’re going to know it’s exceeded.

    So good question.

    Big answer.

    And it’s going to require a lot of work to get there.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Role of AI in B2B Influencer Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Role of AI in B2B Influencer Marketing?

    In today’s episode, I explain how AI will enable synthetic influencers and better influence identification. Large language models can ingest vast information to surface relevant influencers. Brands should partner with AI firms to build custom models filtering by niche and demographics. Tune in to hear my predictions on AI’s transformative role in influencer marketing.

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    In today’s episode, Caitlin asks in the realm of B2B influencer marketing, how do you envision artificial intelligence playing a significant role in the coming years? What specific applications or advancements you believe AI will bring to this field? Okay, so there’s a bunch of different ways.

    Here’s the thing, artificial intelligence, particularly generative artificial intelligence is all about language, language and images, which are the two areas where as at the time of this recording, the most capabilities exist, large language models like the ones that power tools like chat GPT, for example, can generate language.

    So there’s a couple different ways to think about this.

    What does an influencer do that involves language? Pretty much everything, right? So you will see the advent of the synthetic influencers, a synthetic influencer, this is very popular in B2C, and it will probably become popular in B2B, where you have a personality that isn’t real, there’s no human being behind it.

    There’s a team of humans that maintain the infrastructure, but that personality does not exist, there is no person there.

    And those synthetic influencers have thus far been very popular.

    And they’re especially appealing to brands because, well, your influence is never going to show up drunk, you know, or have compromising photos put up on Instagram or something like that, because they’re not real.

    They they simply do as they’re told.

    So that’s a big part of ways that you might see generative AI put to us, but the bigger and more obscure and arcane way to think about influence when it comes to AI is the language model itself.

    Language models are trained on a gigantic amount of text, they are processing, among other things, things like common crawl, which is a huge repository of the public internet.

    As a result, they see more and have more data in them than any other tool available to us.

    And as long as they’re prompted correctly, you can extract out information from that massive meta index, or you can drill down and supplement these tools with specific data that you may have internally.

    So for example, let’s say you do a survey of all your customers.

    And you say, who is most influential in our space, maybe this industrial concrete space and you go when you read a bunch of blogs, and you get a bunch of papers, you have a bunch of news articles, you cram those into what is known as a vector database, which is a special kind of database that large language models like chat GPT can talk to that they speak the same language specific kinds of numbers, they turn content into numbers, and then they do a bunch of math on those numbers.

    When you do that, if you do that, if you build that tool, and I would expect the leading influencer marketing software companies out there tools like Analytica, for example, to build that system, you will be able to ask large language models who is influential in a space and get an answer is coherent, that is relevant to that specific space, but also has the broad knowledge of the internet of everything that’s been published on the internet and public spaces.

    Again, these models take in the public web, they take in books, they take in all the academic papers on sites like archive.org.

    And as a result, what you end up with is a pretty good knowledge base of what people what people are out there, what is influential out there books, podcasts, etc.

    That you may not be able to get from traditional influencer marketing tools or even influencer marketing agencies, because let’s face it, no one human being can keep that much data in their head, but a language model can.

    So what companies should be thinking about what they should be looking at is working with the leading edge, the cutting edge, language model folks and firms things to build influence models that can do this kind of work that can extract data from language models, which are really just statistical models of the public internet, among other things, and come up with influencer conclusions that way, because language models inherently can take and filter much more precisely, and much more granularly than traditional influencer marketing tools, you could say, for example, show me the influencers in b2b, industrial concrete, but I specifically want to focus on influencers who are BIPOC, black indigenous people of color, who in my space is is that you can ask those questions of a language model and get information, you would then have to go corroborate the information, you want to make sure it’s not a hallucination, you want to make sure it’s not the language was not making things up.

    But you can ask those questions in ways that traditional influencer marketing software doesn’t even know is a question.

    So that’s what I expect AI to provide to the influencer marketing space and in the coming months, not years, months, because every release of these models that comes out, the models get smarter and smarter.

    At every release of the technology, particularly the open source side of AI gives more capabilities for all of us, if you’re technically savvy, to be able to construct custom influencer marketing tools that fit the specific needs that you and I have.

    So that’s the answer to that question.

    It’s a really good question.

    And it’s very difficult to predict the future.

    I mean, we can’t even predict four weeks out much less years, but where the tools are today, we can gather this information we can we can use what we know for today.

    And with the types of applications we can build on what exists in market today, if something new comes out tomorrow, we can adapt to it.

    But conceptually, from a strategic infrastructure perspective, this is where influence marketing could go.

    If the leaders in the space are willing to invest and embrace these generative AI technologies.

    Thanks for the question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Predictions for B2B Influencer Marketing in 2024?

    You Ask, I Answer: Predictions for B2B Influencer Marketing in 2024?

    In today’s episode, I explain how the demise of Twitter has created major challenges for measuring influence. With key conversations happening across new, disparate platforms lacking data access, brands must get creative. I advise asking your audience who influences them and embracing community-level influence in addition to individual influencers. Tune in to hear my predictions on the evolution of influencer marketing measurement and trends.

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    In today’s episode, Caitlin asks, What are your predictions for influencer marketing in the b2b space in 2024 and beyond? How do you foresee the industry evolving and what trends do expect to emerge? Okay, so here’s the biggest thing about influencer marketing that is going to be a challenge for pretty much the entire industry data.

    A lot of influencer marketing tools have been calibrated on Twitter data.

    Twitter was the most popular data source because it was an open network graph that everyone could look at that was predominantly accessible to by API.

    And with the recent changes, we actually let’s let’s call a spade a spade.

    Twitter is gone.

    We’ve got this new company called x that has a very different population than Twitter did back in in the old days.

    And a lot of the discussions, particularly for b2b marketing are happening in places where we don’t have data.

    So you have the Twitter diaspora after Twitter’s demise, you now have people on x you have people on threads on mastodon on blue sky, etc, etc.

    You have a ton of new communities, b2b communities, tech communities, on places like discord where there’s absolutely no monitoring whatsoever, nor is it even allowed.

    You have a lot of conversations and a lot of the social media influence, if you will, on LinkedIn, which is a huge b2b source.

    And again, very little data, there’s, there’s not a lot that you can get out of LinkedIn, at least not to the breadth and the depth that we get from we used to get from Twitter.

    So one of the big things that major players in the space are going to need to figure out is how do you calculate influence? And there isn’t a clear answer.

    There are obviously publications, things like news articles, for example, that you can you can see if someone’s in, say, martech.org, or martech post or any of the those publications, you can certainly gauge Okay, well, this person must have some influence to have you made a contributor.

    You have things like speaking at events, people who are on stage inherently have more influence than people who are not on stage.

    At least from a visibility perspective.

    And if you think about it, a lot of the categories of influence that are out there, you have people who are sort of network hubs, they’re the center of their networks.

    You have people who are subject matter experts, you have people who are broadcasters, big mouths, right? All of those different categories, again, we’re reliant on over reliant on Twitter data.

    So the big question becomes, what do we do instead? How does a company judge influence? The single best way to judge influence right now, and this is going to vary from company to company, is to ask your audience is to go to your audience and say, Hey, who else do you read? Who else do you pay attention to? Send out email surveys, ask on social media, etc.

    And gather that data, because ultimately, the point of b2b influence is to influence buying decisions is to influence awareness, consideration, and eventually conversion.

    So we need to ask our ideal buyers and our current buyers.

    Who do you pay attention to at each of these stages in your journey, so that we know where to spend our time and money.

    And it may turn out, for example, that influence is not a person anymore.

    This is a relatively infrequent perspective that a lot of people don’t have.

    Influence isn’t just a person, right? It’s only Hey, pay attention to Christopher Penn, right? It is now also at the community level.

    Hey, I’m a member of the analytics for marketers slack community, which is 3500 people.

    I’m a member of the marketing AI Institute slack community of the spin sucks PR community.

    And these communities have influence in of themselves.

    When someone’s in for example, analytics for marketers, they ask, Hey, I’m looking to buy this thing.

    Has anyone had any experience with it? No one person that community may be the influencer.

    But instead, you may have a network of hundreds of people contributing their answers.

    And if one answer keeps popping up over and over and over again, that community has conducted the influence.

    Now, here’s the challenge.

    Many of these private social media communities have absolutely no measurement.

    And outsiders are not permitted to measure them, I’m permitted to see the content.

    So this remains a challenge for B2B brands, that you need to have essentially ambassadors in as many communities as you can manage.

    So just not even to participate, just to listen, just to pay attention, just to see where people spend their time and what they talk about.

    So those are the major trends in B2B influencer marketing.

    And I think it’s really important when you’re when you’re looking at engaging influencer marketing firms, influencers themselves and things like that, you’d be looking at the person, the community, and what data you have to back those decisions.

    And it’s going to be really challenging for the industry to manage all three of those any of those three without a substantial amount of manual effort.

    So good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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