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  • Mind Readings: Why AI Struggles With Sarcasm

    Mind Readings: Why AI Struggles With Sarcasm

    In today’s episode, I discuss why AI struggles with sarcasm and tone. I explain how statistical models can’t detect subtle inflections that change meaning. While today’s text-based AI misses nuance, future multimodal systems will interpret tone and context better. Tune in to learn why your AI tools may misunderstand certain inputs.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about why artificial intelligence generative AI struggles with certain types of language language like sarcasm.

    The problem is statistical.

    The problem is mathematical and the problem is multimodal communication.

    So let’s talk about what this means.

    Any sentence in the North American English language, for example, can be dramatically changed by intonation, even though English is not a tonal language, meaning the words don’t change meaning, because of the way you pronounce the word.

    For example, languages like Chinese intonation is very, very important.

    If you get the wrong intonation, you might mean to say mother you end up saying horse.

    Instead, we would, we have some words like that, but not very many for the most part, there’s a strict semantic meaning to the words that we say I could say mother and horse.

    And they’re distinct, right? No matter how much I change the pronunciation of those terms, they still pretty much mean the same thing.

    There are exceptions, of course.

    So in languages where you have very strict semantic meaning, and the intonation doesn’t change a whole lot.

    Machines have fairly good statistical distributions, right? They can understand that you say I pledge allegiance to the the next word probably is going to be flagged.

    I say God save the the next word is probably going to be either king or queen, it’s unlikely to be rutabaga, right? However, a lot of the meaning that comes out of language is also still based in tone, not because of semantics, but because of literal sound, right, the type of sound that we make with a sentence.

    For example, let’s say, let’s say, I really liked that pizza.

    I don’t know why I keep going back to pizza.

    If I say I really like that pizza, that’s a fairly neutral sentence, right? It’s a fairly neutral tone.

    And you can, if you were a speaker of North American English, you can pretty much take it at face value that I liked that pizza.

    If I say, I really like that pizza, same words on paper machine would see them the same way statistical distribution is exactly the same.

    But the intonation is different.

    The intonation communicates some of that sarcasm, right? That says, Yeah, I actually didn’t like that pizza.

    But a machine, a large language model, today’s text based large language models can’t hear, they can’t hear me say that.

    And as a result, they don’t understand that I’m actually negating the meaning of the text itself.

    Right? Think about if you’re joking around with a friend and you do something, and that friend just goes, Oh, my God, I hate you.

    Right? They don’t actually hate you.

    Hope not anyway.

    But the tone in which that’s delivered is enough for you to know they’re kidding around as opposed to you can imagine somebody just shouting at someone.

    Oh, my God, I hate you.

    Right? That is very different.

    That communicates more true to the meaning.

    And so this is the challenge that generative AI today faces with the use of text being a text medium.

    Text is code, right text is programming code.

    We program each other with language and we have to do a lot of language tricks when we’re just communicating purely in writing to communicate those tones because it’s not apparent otherwise.

    If you read the text messages of people or messages in discord or slack, half of the usage of things like emoji is to communicate tone in a way that you can’t just with text.

    If you read really well written fiction, you have to have a lot of description and a lot of context to understand what a character is saying.

    And even then, it can still be very ambiguous, right? If you if you watch an interpretation of a text in video, for example, take the Lord of the Rings, right? The way Tolkien wrote is not necessarily what is on screen.

    And so there’s a lot of interpretation that people have to take from the source text, when they bring it to the screen to make editorial choices that this is what the author meant.

    And that may or may not be the case, right? When when movies like Lord of the Rings were produced, you know, Tolkien had long since passed away.

    So there was no way to go back to him and say, was this actually what you meant in this text? Now, again, with skillful writing, you can communicate some of that tone, some of that context, some of the things that would indicate sarcasm, you might say, going back to example four, Oh, I really love that pizza, he said with a smirk, right? Or he said rolling his eyes, we have to provide the extra description in text to communicate those non verbals.

    But if we’re doing things, for example, like processing transcripts, or any other spoken word, where tone is being communicated, our machines are going to go awry, right? Our machines are not going to interpret them well right now.

    Now, here’s the thing that’s going to change.

    It is already starting to change because language models are becoming multimodal models, you have models like lava, or GPT, 4v, that can see and read, right? So they can take a text input, and visual input and mix the two.

    It is not a stretch of the imagination to have a text model combined with an audio model, so that a machine can listen to that intonation and understand the difference between I hate you, and I hate you, right? Same words, same statistical distributions, but very different meaning based on intonation.

    If you are running into cases where you are not getting the results out of a language model that you want, especially if you’re doing generation in the writing of text, consider how much non verbal communication is going into the writing that you’re doing.

    And then you may have to prompt it to, to fill in some context that isn’t necessarily there.

    Even if you’re using it in a marketing or business sense, remember that marketing and business are still human communication, there’s still a lot of that nuance, and that lot of non text communication, that if you’re not getting the model to do what you want, you might be running into needing to pull some tricks out of fiction, out of fiction writing in order to make the models work better.

    Something to think about as you’re trying these things.

    But that’s one of the reasons why today generative AI struggles with sarcasm, and why in the future, it may struggle much less.

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  • Almost Timely News, October 22, 2023: The Generative AI Beginner’s Kit

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    One of the most common questions people ask me on a regular and frequent basis is, “Okay, but how do I get started with this stuff, with generative AI? Where do I begin? What tools should I use?” The answer to that question varies, based on what you want to do. Do you want to summarize text? Write stories? Compose artworks? To answer this question, I’ve put together The Beginner’s Generative AI Starter Kit, which looks like this:

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    You can download the PDF version here, no forms to fill out, just grab the PDF.

    Let’s talk through each of the components in the starter kit, because it’s important to understand it and the philosophy behind it.

    First, you’ll notice an absence of specific vendors for the most part. You won’t find named products for the most part on the starter kit; instead, it’s almost all foundation technologies. This is a conscious choice because the capabilities of foundation models evolve more quickly than most vendors are able to keep up with. For example, less than a month ago, OpenAI released GPT-4V, their multimodal vision model that can see image data you give it and interpret it accordingly.

    One of the best practices in AI is to stick as close to foundation models as you can, so that as their capabilities grow, your capabilities grow along with them. You want to avoid getting tied to a specific SaaS vendor unless they provide something that’s so compelling and so unique, nothing else on the market compares to it.

    This beginner’s kit also has the caveat that many of the tools listed are third party software, like ChatGPT. There are plenty of circumstances – confidential information, trade secrets, protected information – where using any third party tool is inappropriate or outright illegal. It’s your responsibility as a user to know when you should and should not use any given tool based on the sensitivity of the data you’re working with.

    Let’s talk about money briefly. You can use tools in their free versions, but know that the free versions are less capable than their paid cousins. For example, the free version of ChatGPT uses the GPT-3.5 model, which is substantially less powerful and less knowledgeable than the paid version’s access to GPT-4V. If you have the budget, pay for the upgrade for ChatGPT and Anthropic’s Claude 2.

    Okay, that said, let’s dig into this toolkit. Our first two categories are for purely text-based tasks. If you’re working with text that is under 8,000 words – like blog posts, emails, etc. then the recommended tool is ChatGPT+, the paid version, using either the 3.5 or the 4/4V model. Why? It’s the most used, which means it has the most known examples and the most people who can help you if you get stuck. GPT-4 is also the most capable model for these smaller text tasks.

    GPT-4 has a context window – which is technical for a working memory – of between 8,192 and 32,768 tokens. Tokens are roughly four letter fragments of words, so the previous paragraph is 90 words, 120 tokens.

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    That’s why if you use ChatGPT extensively in a single, long-running chat, it starts to forget things. When you use it for longer than its context window, it forgets what you said early on. That’s why, for text tasks over 8,000 words, I recommend using Anthropic’s Claude 2. It has a context window of 100,000 tokens, or roughly 70,000 words at a time. Now, why not use Claude for everything? It’s not as strong at some text tasks; the GPT-4 model in ChatGPT+ is still the best in class model for a lot of tasks.

    Okay, onto images. For image generation, there are two good choices. The free choice is Microsoft Bing Image Creator, which uses the OpenAI DALL-E 3 back end. This free image generator – and you get about 100 free image generations a day – is very powerful and very good. You need to use a Microsoft-supported web browser like Microsoft Edge to use it, especially on a Mac. You can also use it in the Bing mobile app on all platforms. For the paid choice, ChatGPT+ supports DALL-E 3 natively. This is my preferred choice because you can have a conversation in natural language with ChatGPT and it will in turn refine its DALL-E 3 prompts, which is a more intuitive and easier way to work with the image generation model.

    Creating images is one thing; analyzing them is another. Right now, two models support image upload and analysis – Google Bard and ChatGPT+. Bard is free and very capable; in my tests, it’s done pretty well with image recognition. ChatGPT+ is paid. In both cases, you upload an image and then you can ask the AI of your choice questions about the image. For example, you can upload a picture of your homepage and have it do UI testing, or upload a photo of a meal and ask it to list common ingredients and recipes for that meal. The only thing neither model is permitted to do right now is do analysis on images of people’s faces.

    Next up, let’s talk about realtime information. Tools like ChatGPT+ have large language models that are trained on known datasets. In many cases, those datasets are not current; ChatGPT+ ends its window of awareness at January 2022. Claude stops at roughly October 2022. If you need data that’s more current, you need to use AI that’s connected to realtime data sources. The two best choices here are Google Bard and Microsoft Bing. Both use their language models to build search queries, then pass those queries to their existing search services, and then interpret and rewrite the responses from their search services. This is the best way to handle freshness of information.

    When it comes to analyzing data, you can certainly input CSV or tabular data in text prompts, but it’s much easier to simply upload spreadsheets and have the AI systems do the analysis on that. The same is true for Excel files and other data formats. Today, the best tool for data analysis with AI is OpenAI’s ChatGPT+ with Advanced Data Analysis. It walks you through its analysis and produces operating code at every step; this allows you to store the code generates in case you want to run it again later. It’s also capable of the most advanced forms of data science and statistics; anything you can code in Python for data analysis, it can write for you.

    There’s some data, as I mentioned earlier, which absolutely should never be put into third party systems. Data that contains personally identifying information, sensitive protected information, protected health information, classified documents, state secrets, trade secrets – the list goes on of information you shouldn’t just hand to someone else’s systems. For situations like this, you must use AI that runs on your network or your computers, and your data never leaves those systems. Open source models like LLaMa 2 and interfaces like LM Studio are the way to safely use AI with sensitive information. These take more effort to set up, but they are free of cost and ideal for handling information that should not be in the hands of third parties without restriction.

    Finally, when it comes to coding, there are two choices. For writing most coding languages, ChatGPT+ using the GPT-4 model is arguably one of the best general tools. It can write in a multitude of languages old and new, from COBOL (really!) to modern languages like Swift and Python.

    COBOL code

    (pro tip for those working in financial services and other places with legacy mainframes – if your COBOL programmer has retired, ChatGPT can help.)

    There are specific open-source models that can outperform GPT-4 for certain languages; the CodeLLaMa model does so, particularly with Python.

    Now, let’s be clear: this is not all the use cases of generative AI. This isn’t even close. But this is a good starter kit for someone who’s just getting their feet wet, and a good generalist kit for accomplishing many tasks. These tools are the best starter kit on the market today, and I mean literally today; there’s absolutely no guarantee that a better tool in any of these major categories won’t be released tomorrow, making this thing obsolete. I’ll do my best to keep it maintained over time, though.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Keys to B2B Influencer Marketing Success?

    You Ask, I Answer: Keys to B2B Influencer Marketing Success?

    In today’s episode, I share my key lessons and strategies for b2b influencer marketing success. I walk through the Trust Insights 5P framework to help brands excel in this space. I explain how to define your purpose, choose the right people, nail down the process, select the best platform, and accurately measure performance. Tune in to get actionable advice on running an effective influencer program!

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    In today’s episode, Caitlin asks, looking back at your experiences and observations, can you share a key lesson or strategy that you believe has been instrumental in the success of b2b influencer marketing campaigns? What advice would you give to brands and marketers looking to excel in this space? Here’s an easy answer.

    Figure out what you want to do.

    A lot of people do not know what they want to do with influencer marketing.

    They see it, they understand it at a surface level, like, Oh, let’s get a Kardashian, right? No.

    Trust insights.

    One of the things we recommend is a five part framework.

    We call it the five P’s purpose, people process platform performance, purpose, what do you want to accomplish? What is the goal of your influencer marketing program? Are you doing awareness? Are you trying to influence consideration? Are you trying to push nudge forward evaluation? Are you trying to spur purchase? Based on the purpose alone, that’s going to change the strategy of your influencer marketing program and dictate even what kinds of influencers to use because different types of influencers influence different parts of the customer journey.

    There are, for example, even retention influencers, people who are evangelists, people who love your product.

    For example, in in Salesforce, they have the what the trailhead folks, there are folks that whose influence is all about how do you get more out of the investment you’ve already made.

    That’s a retention mechanism that again, a lot of people don’t think of what they think of influencer marketing, they think, oh, let’s get a Kardashian, let’s get a big, big mouth.

    Instead of how do we retain our customers? How do we use influencer marketing to to create more loyalty with our products and services.

    So that purpose is really important.

    The process how are you going to manage your influencer marketing again, really critical? How do you manage this thing? How does this is a morphous thing? How do you turn it into something that is usable, right? That’s repeatable, that is scalable.

    There is the platform, there are a bunch of influencer marketing platforms out there, right? There are all these different communities, you have to decide how do you want to based on your strategy? How do you want to deploy things like community? Are you going to start a discord server? You may or may not want to depending on the the resources you have available.

    Who are the people that are involved and not just the influencers, but the marketers themselves? How are you going to be able to manage this? Are you going to be able to run this program? How are you going to be able to to work with and collaborate with people all across your company? Because again, if we think about the customer journey from awareness all the way to evangelist, you have influencers all along that spectrum is your program tuned for that and you have the people necessary to manage at each stage of that customer journey.

    And finally, of course, the performance, how do you know it worked? How do you know that influencer marketing worked? And this again, is one of those areas where companies really struggle, they really struggle to measure the impact of influencer marketing, there are statistical ways to do this.

    There are ways that are well proven that take algorithms and methods from things like biostatistics.

    Generally speaking, though, people who have experienced biostatistics don’t end up working in marketing.

    Generally speaking, that’s, you know, obviously, if you work in like life sciences, you know, those algorithms exist, and you may just may not have thought about porting them to marketing.

    But measuring the impact of influencer marketing is all about using those statistical skills to figure out what kind of uplift you’ve gotten in these areas because influencer marketing inherently most of the time is outside the clickstream, right, which means there’s not gonna be a report you can run in Google Analytics will say here’s what your influencers did.

    Again, how do you measure when an influencer is on stage at conferences? Hey, you should buy this software.

    This is what I use, right? There’s no click trail.

    There’s no referrals, you might see a spike in organic search.

    But how do you know that that’s from what happened? You need good tools and good methods for doing that statistical analysis.

    So that’s my recommendations and observations.

    The five P framework is something that you have to apply to influencer marketing, just like anything.

    And there’s a lot of drill down into each of those steps to get good answers, and to be able to explain to your stakeholders, here’s what we’re doing.

    Here’s why we’re doing and here’s how we’re going to know it’s exceeded.

    So good question.

    Big answer.

    And it’s going to require a lot of work to get there.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Role of AI in B2B Influencer Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Role of AI in B2B Influencer Marketing?

    In today’s episode, I explain how AI will enable synthetic influencers and better influence identification. Large language models can ingest vast information to surface relevant influencers. Brands should partner with AI firms to build custom models filtering by niche and demographics. Tune in to hear my predictions on AI’s transformative role in influencer marketing.

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    In today’s episode, Caitlin asks in the realm of B2B influencer marketing, how do you envision artificial intelligence playing a significant role in the coming years? What specific applications or advancements you believe AI will bring to this field? Okay, so there’s a bunch of different ways.

    Here’s the thing, artificial intelligence, particularly generative artificial intelligence is all about language, language and images, which are the two areas where as at the time of this recording, the most capabilities exist, large language models like the ones that power tools like chat GPT, for example, can generate language.

    So there’s a couple different ways to think about this.

    What does an influencer do that involves language? Pretty much everything, right? So you will see the advent of the synthetic influencers, a synthetic influencer, this is very popular in B2C, and it will probably become popular in B2B, where you have a personality that isn’t real, there’s no human being behind it.

    There’s a team of humans that maintain the infrastructure, but that personality does not exist, there is no person there.

    And those synthetic influencers have thus far been very popular.

    And they’re especially appealing to brands because, well, your influence is never going to show up drunk, you know, or have compromising photos put up on Instagram or something like that, because they’re not real.

    They they simply do as they’re told.

    So that’s a big part of ways that you might see generative AI put to us, but the bigger and more obscure and arcane way to think about influence when it comes to AI is the language model itself.

    Language models are trained on a gigantic amount of text, they are processing, among other things, things like common crawl, which is a huge repository of the public internet.

    As a result, they see more and have more data in them than any other tool available to us.

    And as long as they’re prompted correctly, you can extract out information from that massive meta index, or you can drill down and supplement these tools with specific data that you may have internally.

    So for example, let’s say you do a survey of all your customers.

    And you say, who is most influential in our space, maybe this industrial concrete space and you go when you read a bunch of blogs, and you get a bunch of papers, you have a bunch of news articles, you cram those into what is known as a vector database, which is a special kind of database that large language models like chat GPT can talk to that they speak the same language specific kinds of numbers, they turn content into numbers, and then they do a bunch of math on those numbers.

    When you do that, if you do that, if you build that tool, and I would expect the leading influencer marketing software companies out there tools like Analytica, for example, to build that system, you will be able to ask large language models who is influential in a space and get an answer is coherent, that is relevant to that specific space, but also has the broad knowledge of the internet of everything that’s been published on the internet and public spaces.

    Again, these models take in the public web, they take in books, they take in all the academic papers on sites like archive.org.

    And as a result, what you end up with is a pretty good knowledge base of what people what people are out there, what is influential out there books, podcasts, etc.

    That you may not be able to get from traditional influencer marketing tools or even influencer marketing agencies, because let’s face it, no one human being can keep that much data in their head, but a language model can.

    So what companies should be thinking about what they should be looking at is working with the leading edge, the cutting edge, language model folks and firms things to build influence models that can do this kind of work that can extract data from language models, which are really just statistical models of the public internet, among other things, and come up with influencer conclusions that way, because language models inherently can take and filter much more precisely, and much more granularly than traditional influencer marketing tools, you could say, for example, show me the influencers in b2b, industrial concrete, but I specifically want to focus on influencers who are BIPOC, black indigenous people of color, who in my space is is that you can ask those questions of a language model and get information, you would then have to go corroborate the information, you want to make sure it’s not a hallucination, you want to make sure it’s not the language was not making things up.

    But you can ask those questions in ways that traditional influencer marketing software doesn’t even know is a question.

    So that’s what I expect AI to provide to the influencer marketing space and in the coming months, not years, months, because every release of these models that comes out, the models get smarter and smarter.

    At every release of the technology, particularly the open source side of AI gives more capabilities for all of us, if you’re technically savvy, to be able to construct custom influencer marketing tools that fit the specific needs that you and I have.

    So that’s the answer to that question.

    It’s a really good question.

    And it’s very difficult to predict the future.

    I mean, we can’t even predict four weeks out much less years, but where the tools are today, we can gather this information we can we can use what we know for today.

    And with the types of applications we can build on what exists in market today, if something new comes out tomorrow, we can adapt to it.

    But conceptually, from a strategic infrastructure perspective, this is where influence marketing could go.

    If the leaders in the space are willing to invest and embrace these generative AI technologies.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Predictions for B2B Influencer Marketing in 2024?

    You Ask, I Answer: Predictions for B2B Influencer Marketing in 2024?

    In today’s episode, I explain how the demise of Twitter has created major challenges for measuring influence. With key conversations happening across new, disparate platforms lacking data access, brands must get creative. I advise asking your audience who influences them and embracing community-level influence in addition to individual influencers. Tune in to hear my predictions on the evolution of influencer marketing measurement and trends.

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    In today’s episode, Caitlin asks, What are your predictions for influencer marketing in the b2b space in 2024 and beyond? How do you foresee the industry evolving and what trends do expect to emerge? Okay, so here’s the biggest thing about influencer marketing that is going to be a challenge for pretty much the entire industry data.

    A lot of influencer marketing tools have been calibrated on Twitter data.

    Twitter was the most popular data source because it was an open network graph that everyone could look at that was predominantly accessible to by API.

    And with the recent changes, we actually let’s let’s call a spade a spade.

    Twitter is gone.

    We’ve got this new company called x that has a very different population than Twitter did back in in the old days.

    And a lot of the discussions, particularly for b2b marketing are happening in places where we don’t have data.

    So you have the Twitter diaspora after Twitter’s demise, you now have people on x you have people on threads on mastodon on blue sky, etc, etc.

    You have a ton of new communities, b2b communities, tech communities, on places like discord where there’s absolutely no monitoring whatsoever, nor is it even allowed.

    You have a lot of conversations and a lot of the social media influence, if you will, on LinkedIn, which is a huge b2b source.

    And again, very little data, there’s, there’s not a lot that you can get out of LinkedIn, at least not to the breadth and the depth that we get from we used to get from Twitter.

    So one of the big things that major players in the space are going to need to figure out is how do you calculate influence? And there isn’t a clear answer.

    There are obviously publications, things like news articles, for example, that you can you can see if someone’s in, say, martech.org, or martech post or any of the those publications, you can certainly gauge Okay, well, this person must have some influence to have you made a contributor.

    You have things like speaking at events, people who are on stage inherently have more influence than people who are not on stage.

    At least from a visibility perspective.

    And if you think about it, a lot of the categories of influence that are out there, you have people who are sort of network hubs, they’re the center of their networks.

    You have people who are subject matter experts, you have people who are broadcasters, big mouths, right? All of those different categories, again, we’re reliant on over reliant on Twitter data.

    So the big question becomes, what do we do instead? How does a company judge influence? The single best way to judge influence right now, and this is going to vary from company to company, is to ask your audience is to go to your audience and say, Hey, who else do you read? Who else do you pay attention to? Send out email surveys, ask on social media, etc.

    And gather that data, because ultimately, the point of b2b influence is to influence buying decisions is to influence awareness, consideration, and eventually conversion.

    So we need to ask our ideal buyers and our current buyers.

    Who do you pay attention to at each of these stages in your journey, so that we know where to spend our time and money.

    And it may turn out, for example, that influence is not a person anymore.

    This is a relatively infrequent perspective that a lot of people don’t have.

    Influence isn’t just a person, right? It’s only Hey, pay attention to Christopher Penn, right? It is now also at the community level.

    Hey, I’m a member of the analytics for marketers slack community, which is 3500 people.

    I’m a member of the marketing AI Institute slack community of the spin sucks PR community.

    And these communities have influence in of themselves.

    When someone’s in for example, analytics for marketers, they ask, Hey, I’m looking to buy this thing.

    Has anyone had any experience with it? No one person that community may be the influencer.

    But instead, you may have a network of hundreds of people contributing their answers.

    And if one answer keeps popping up over and over and over again, that community has conducted the influence.

    Now, here’s the challenge.

    Many of these private social media communities have absolutely no measurement.

    And outsiders are not permitted to measure them, I’m permitted to see the content.

    So this remains a challenge for B2B brands, that you need to have essentially ambassadors in as many communities as you can manage.

    So just not even to participate, just to listen, just to pay attention, just to see where people spend their time and what they talk about.

    So those are the major trends in B2B influencer marketing.

    And I think it’s really important when you’re when you’re looking at engaging influencer marketing firms, influencers themselves and things like that, you’d be looking at the person, the community, and what data you have to back those decisions.

    And it’s going to be really challenging for the industry to manage all three of those any of those three without a substantial amount of manual effort.

    So good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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    Something interesting is happening in the use of large language models. As more models become available, as open source models become more powerful, and as support systems and infrastructure pop up around the models, how the most successful companies use models is changing.

    Today, most people use large language models (and now large multimodal models) as a self-contained system. You log into Claude or ChatGPT and you just use the system as-is, asking it to be language model, interpreter, source of truth, and output machine all at once. We have a monolithic view of large language models as these giant black boxes that just do stuff that seems like magic.

    That’s fine for many tasks, especially tasks that are public, tasks that don’t leverage confidential information, and tasks that require common knowledge. These tools and models work absolutely great for that, and people should absolutely leverage them for that purpose.

    But what if you want to use confidential data? What if you need more up to date data? What if you need to work with your data specifically?

    This is where the current monolithic view of models falls down – even more advanced applications like fine-tuning. The idea of taking a model and trying to keep using it as some kind of all-seeing oracle is inherently flawed for more and more applications, especially business applications. Keeping a model up to date and capable using tuning methods is cumbersome, slow, and expensive.

    What we see the smartest, leanest organizations pivoting to is a hybrid architecture, a hybrid approach. Here’s a concrete example. What happens when you use Microsoft Bing chat?

    Bing Chat

    What Bing does is very clever and the best use of these advanced models. It takes our conversation and our line of inquiry, translates it into queries that work with Bing’s existing search engine, and queries the Bing data store. It gets information back from the Bing search engine, reformats it, and returns it as conversation.

    Bing leverages the power of the model’s understanding of language to write expert queries and then parse the information returned from their proprietary datastore. They don’t rely on the model as the source of factual information.

    That’s the approach that makes the most sense for most commercial applications of generative AI. We want models that can understand us and talk to the data we already have. We want models that can produce trusted data, data we know we already have, data we know we’ve already audited and vetted in many cases – and data we are probably not too keen on sharing with any external parties.

    For example, suppose you’re a medical office. You want the ability for a patient to ask a “virtual doctor” questions in a chat portal even when their real doctor isn’t around. You would definitely want a language model that knew a lot about medicine, but you’d especially want a model that could access the patient’s records and medical history to provide custom answers to that patient. You certainly would not want that medical data going anywhere outside the walls of your office except to the patient themselves. That’s a clear use case where the language model would be useful for translating between the arcane syntax of electronic medical records and everyday language, but the specific, private information of the patient should absolutely never be in the hands of an unauthorized third party.

    So how would you go about building something like this for your organization, something that leveraged the data you already have? The answer will depend on the resources you have available, but broadly speaking, you’ll need a few components. First, you’ll want a language model of some kind. You can use the GPT family of models from OpenAI, Anthropic’s system, or an open source model like something from the LLaMa 2 family. This is the part that does all the listening and talking.

    Second, you’ll want some kind of compatible database that a language model can talk to. There are special databases called vector databases which contain mathematical representations of your data. If you look in a regular database, you’ll see all the words and phrases and writing of your data. If you look in a vector database, you’ll see that plus all your words represented in numbers:

    Vector data

    Third, you’ll need the technology to connect your data to the vector database, and connect the vector database to your language model. The system of record most people use is a technology called LangChain, but you can accomplish pretty much the same thing with any major programming language with varying degrees of effort. Most modern AI-powered companies use LangChain because it’s both free and efficient at its job.

    Fourth, depending again on how sophisticated you want to be and the resources you bring to the table, you might want to build an add-on to your language model that contains specific domain knowledge which might or might not be in a bigger model. Going back to the medical office example, suppose your office specializes in allergies. You might have access to repositories of clinical research about allergies that aren’t available on the public internet. You might work with a technical resource to convert those papers into a special kind of add-on called a PEFT, a Prompt Efficient Fine Tune, that can make an off-the-shelf language model much smarter at a specific field of study.

    Those folks who’ve done a lot of work with open source image generation models are probably familiar with these technologies; there are many addons that help your AI-generated images look like a specific style, like 1990s cartoons or sci-fi movies.

    With that special add-on, you can make a foundation model expert in your field and industry with your repository of non-public research papers that you pay for, and then connect that now-specialized model to your private, proprietary data, creating an AI system that is incredibly expert at the task you’ve set before it. It will know your industry, know your company, know your customers, and be able to answer questions with a high degree of specificity and a lower degree of incorrectness because it’s relying on the data you give it, rather than expecting it to know everything.

    This system, this architecture, applies to everything. Imagine starting with a foundation model, then creating that special add-on that knows everything there is to know about how to be a great email marketer, and then connects to your company’s email marketing system. It will be able to craft emails that sound like you and adhere to best practices because it has domain expertise AND it has access to your data.

    And here’s the juicy secret, the business secret, the way to make a big pile of money. It’s the AI goldmine you already own. Your data? The data you’ve been generating for years, maybe even decades? That data – once cleaned of anything that is confidential – can be turned into one of those special add-ons as well. Imagine having a special add-on that’s tuned specifically for intellectual property lawyers, or an add-on that’s tuned just for real estate agents. Our companies are all sitting on mountains of non-public data that could become guides, trainers, and refiners for AI.

    Now is the time to start auditing the data you own. Now is the time to start experimenting with these tools to understand how to build these customizations, because they can be a powerful strategic advantage – especially if your company has a large amount of legacy data. You might just be sitting on the next AI goldmine.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Fairness and Mitigating Bias in AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: Fairness and Mitigating Bias in AI?

    In today’s episode, I tackle the big question of mitigating bias in AI. I explain the differences between statistical bias and human bias, and equality of outcome versus opportunity. There are no easy answers, but understanding these concepts is key to documenting and implementing fairness policies for your models. Tune in for an in-depth look at this critical issue!

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    In today’s episode, Megan asks, Can you talk about mitigating bias in AI? This is a really big question.

    And there’s no satisfactory answer.

    So let’s start with that.

    There’s no satisfactory answers to this question.

    Here’s why.

    Managing bias and AI is tricky for a variety of reasons, the most critical of which is understanding what bias and fairness means.

    We don’t have a good definition for this.

    There is no universal answer for what is fair, and for what is biased.

    For example, there’s just fundamentally there’s two kinds of bias, there’s human bias, which is emotional in nature, and there’s statistical bias, which is mathematical in nature.

    Statistical bias is when your sample data does not represent is not statistically representative of the, the population that you’re sampling from.

    So if you were picking up beans from a bucket, and all the buckets, the beans you picked up were red, and in the bucket, the rest of the beans are green, you have a statistically non representative sample right.

    So from a question of fairness, you have you have some skewing.

    That’s the machine version.

    The human version talks more about things like protected classes, things like age, gender and gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, veteran status, religion, ethnicity, disability, all those things are what are called in law terms, and I’m not a lawyer, stay that I’m right away.

    These are called protected classes.

    And in many nations, it is illegal to use those protected classes to do things like make business decisions because they’re protected classes.

    For example, the Fair Housing Act says you may not discriminate on on housing based on race.

    If a Korean person or a Caucasian person who have equal credit scores and equal incomes, they should have an equal shot at that, you know, the apartment that they want to rent, you can’t say well, I I prefer Korean people.

    So this this Caucasian person shouldn’t get this apartment.

    That’s that is unfair.

    And is unfair, specifically along a protected class.

    So that’s an example of just statistical versus human bias.

    Here’s the problem.

    When it comes to fairness, there is no good definition because there are a lot of ways to slice and dice fairness.

    There’s two big categories of fairness, there is equality of opportunity, and equality of outcome.

    And depending on the culture you live in, depending on who you are, depending on the people around you.

    You may have different ideas about what is fair.

    And you may say, Well, I care about equality of outcome.

    And I another person may say I care about equality of opportunity.

    So let’s let’s talk through some examples.

    Because again, this is going to impact AI because and it already impacts other decision support systems that we already haven’t been using for decades, sometimes to very, very unfair effect.

    Let’s take gender and hiring.

    If you go by broad population statistics, any given population is roughly going to be about 45% male 45% female and 10% non traditional, right, non binary, etc.

    If you believe in equality of opportunity for a job, then you probably believe that everyone should get a fair shake that no one should be turned away from applying for a job or the chance of getting a job simply because of a protected class, right.

    So if if you’re doing going on gender, you would say let’s remove all identifying information that could give away someone’s gender, so that we make a fair hiring decision so that everyone has the same opportunity for the job.

    You would take their CV or their resume, cut off all the names and all that stuff, and just have the just have the raw data and you would compare those candidates who’s more qualified.

    That’s equality of opportunity.

    Is that fair? Some folks will say yes, that’s completely fair.

    Hey, everyone gets a fair shot.

    No one person has an advantage over the other.

    However, there’s also equality of outcome.

    If you believe in equality of outcome, meaning that your workforce and your hiring decision should represent the population as a whole, we’re actually aligning human bias to statistical bias, then you would have to retain and use that gender information and hire in such a manner that your employee population matches the broad population.

    So ideally, after a year of hiring, you would have a an employee base within a discipline that was 45% male 45% female 10% non traditional.

    Is that fair? How do you decide who decides what fairness is? There are folks who are particularly in in highly individualistic societies, believe equality of opportunity is the way to go.

    You might say, Hey, if we remove this information, this identifying information equality of opportunity should eventually lead to equality of outcome over a long period of time.

    Sometimes that’s true.

    Sometimes that’s not true.

    There are some fields, for example, like tech, where there’s a crazy gender bias that leans like 90 10 male.

    If you take samples that are representative from that population, statistically, your sample is going to retain that 90 10 bias, right? The same is true.

    In reverse, if you look at, say, hiring nurses, statistically, that field leans female.

    So do you want the a do you need to have a population that represents the broader populations that does that matter? I used to work at a company that was based in Atlanta.

    There were no black people on staff at a company of 150 people headquartered in Atlanta Buckhead specifically.

    And the question I asked was, where are the black people because Atlanta’s population is like 53% black.

    They should be at least somebody here.

    And there wasn’t.

    Now, that pretty clearly is biased.

    And what they said was, Oh, there aren’t any any qualified candidates, like really, okay.

    So just to start, I said, let’s focus on equality of opportunity, because there’s no way we’re gonna get into a discussion about equality of outcome with these people.

    Is it just to start, we’re gonna get the scissors out, cut off the names off the resumes.

    And we did, and put out some hiring position firing, got a bunch of responses, cut off the names of the resumes and anything else that was identified, obviously identifying of a person’s ethnicity, and then just handed out, I think we had 47 resumes, I think it was 47.

    And just had people, you know, rank choice, you know, 12345, we’re your top five candidates.

    When we did that, we had about 50% black folks, but another 20% Hispanic folks, 10% Middle Eastern folks, and then whatever is left over.

    That was a case where equality of opportunity as the bare minimum showed that there was a very clear bias in hiring there.

    And we actually ended up hiring someone who was Iranian, Iranian ethnic origin.

    That bias was pretty, pretty bad.

    Right.

    And that was a case where I’m pretty sure it was conscious.

    Was that fair? Did we approach the hiring decision fairly? Yes.

    But the employee workforce still did not represent the broader population.

    So we started with the equality of opportunity.

    But we didn’t get to a quality of outcome, at least not in the time that I worked at that company.

    Now, take all these examples and bring them into AI.

    AI is a reflection of us.

    And whether we’re talking classical AI or generative AI, these same principles apply.

    Do we care about equality of opportunity? Do we care about equality of outcome? This is a big decision.

    This is a decision that matters a lot.

    And it matters because it determines how you’re going to set up the systems, how you’re going to judge fairness, how you’re going to implement fairness and how you’re going to enforce those rules for fairness within your system.

    Let’s say you are all in on generative AI, you think it’s going to save you a ton of money on customer service, you’re going to do what’s called call volume deflection.

    How can you reduce the number of calls to your call center by having a machine answer questions to customers upfront seems pretty straightforward, right? You have a model, maybe you work, I don’t know, let’s let’s make something up, you work in banking, and customers have questions about their that your certificates of deposit, you train a model on answering those questions you deploy and boom, it’s out there.

    Now, suppose you have someone like me, I have a I’m of Korean descent.

    I have a Korean name, I have an American name.

    If I’m interacting with your bank’s chatbot, should I receive different treatment by that chatbot based on the name I use? equality of opportunity would suggest that in my conversations with the chatbot.

    We all started the same place and then how the conversation evolves should be dependent on those responses.

    equality of outcome says no matter who you are, you should get the same quality of service.

    You should get the same courtesy get the same answers.

    The machine should not be mansplaining to you, etc, etc.

    Is that really what happens? No.

    Few weeks ago on the Trust Insights podcast, live stream, we did a test with a few different prompts with open AI, with Google bard with anthropoclon two.

    And these were a couple of paragraph prompts in sales and marketing and HR and management.

    And the only word we changed in the prompts was to change the name Larry to Lena.

    The answers we got were different and substantially different.

    In some cases, the there was a lot of what some people refer to as correctile dysfunction, aka mansplaining when you change one of the names to a female identifying name, that should not be happening.

    equality of outcomes just that that should not be happening yet it was.

    So these models have biases in them.

    And in many cases for the way that we want to use large language models and generative AI in general, in the context of business in the context of marketing of customer service, equality of outcome probably should be the standard we should be holding ourselves to which is no matter who you are.

    You know, if you’re Chris, or you’re a mule hole or your Leticia or your Adrian, you should get the same service.

    You should get the same courtesy you should get the same treatment.

    And right now that’s not the case in language models.

    It’s not the case in AI.

    So in other cases, right, when it comes to things like opportunities, applying for a certain type of loan.

    In those cases, there may be factors that are valid, where you cannot have equality of outcome.

    Because rarely are two things identical except for one discerning characteristic.

    And even in those cases, you need to have a an internal counsel for diversity, equity and inclusion to say, Okay, well, what are the thresholds after which we’re going to say, Hey, this model has gone off the rails.

    Because what you don’t want to have happen is a machine that’s just making decisions autonomously, and creating statistical drift.

    And then you wake up one day and you’re in a lawsuit because your loan approval process stopped giving loans to women, right, which can happen.

    If you’re not careful, if you don’t know how to implement, you don’t know how to make a decision about fairness, and then you don’t know how to implement it using artificial intelligence.

    bias and fairness are exceptionally difficult to navigate because we will each have different perspectives on what is and is not fair.

    Your cultures will vary cultures that are more collective in nature, where the good of the many is placed ahead of the good of the few.

    Those are typically cultures in for example, like many Far Eastern cultures, Japan and China and Korea, etc.

    very collectivist cultures, they will have a different perspective on equality of outcome versus equality of opportunity.

    There are hyper individualistic cultures like the United States of America super crazy individualistic fairness will change based on who you’re talking to there.

    So we have to figure out within the context within the circumstances of our businesses of our the culture we operate in what is fair.

    And the key takeaway is no matter what decisions you make, you have to be able to document them, you have to be able to show that you’re doing what you say, and that what you say you do is is legal and moral and ethically correct.

    There is no one answer.

    But there are ways to mitigate your risk by demonstrating here’s how we’ve implemented fairness.

    And people can disagree about that implementation, but at least you can say, hey, we’ve got something and here’s what we’re doing to to adhere to that.

    So really good question.

    Very, very complicated question is a complicated question, it will provoke a lot of very emotional responses.

    And you want to make sure that you do have policies and procedures in place to document fairness and your implementation of it.

    So thanks for asking.

    We’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What’s The Difference Between Good and Great Data?

    You Ask, I Answer: What's The Difference Between Good and Great Data?

    In today’s episode, I answer the question, “What is the difference between great data and good data or great data and data?” I explain how data is like the ingredients for cooking. Good data enables quality results, but bad data ruins everything. To find out more about the key role data quality plays in AI, be sure to watch this video!

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    In today’s episode, Mark asks, What is the difference between great data and good data or great data and data? And what are the practical applications of AI to that kind of data? That’s an interesting question.

    Think about data like this.

    You’re in your kitchen, you’re getting ready to cook dinner, got your appliances, you’ve got your cookbook, you’ve got your skills.

    And you got data, right, you have ingredients.

    If you are a skilled chef, as long as the ingredients are fundamentally okay, you can make something or you can make a dinner.

    Now the better the ingredients are, the better the dinner you’re going to be able to make if the ingredients are fresh and organic, and this and that chances are you’re going to be probably able to make a pretty nice dinner.

    If the ingredients are rotten, with a few notable exceptions, most rotten food is inedible, most rotten food will make you sick.

    And no matter how good your appliances are, how good your recipes are, how skilled a chef you are, you are still stuck with a creative rotten food, and there’s very little you can do with it.

    It’s not going to make somebody sick.

    So when we talk about data, particularly in the context of AI, that’s the way that I like to think about is data is your ingredients are your raw ingredients for using AI or using anything, even using a basic spreadsheet.

    If your numbers are wrong, even just doing stuff in in a spreadsheet, you’re going to get the wrong answers, you’re gonna get bad answers.

    So you have to create good data or get a hold of good data so that you can use it properly.

    Now, if you have great ingredients, and you have someone who is incompetent in the kitchen, then yeah, even with great ingredients, you’re still not going to get something that’s that’s necessarily all that good, right? You can give someone a Australian Wagyu marbling score seven pecania cut, which is a really, really, really nice piece of beef.

    And if you hand it to the village idiot, who puts it in a blender? Yes, you’ve essentially wasted that ingredient unless you want to beef soup.

    Even that is not gonna be very good beef soup.

    But it’s still technically edible, because the the village idiot didn’t ruin it completely just mostly.

    So your people matter, your processes matter, your platforms matter, but the quality of your data is paramount.

    Because, again, you can give good ingredients to a bad cook and get a not a great result, right? You can give good ingredients to a very talented cook and get a great outcome.

    But nobody’s making anything good out of rotten ingredients.

    Nobody.

    And the same thing is true with AI, with machine learning, data science, etc.

    We are the chefs, our tools are the platforms.

    And our data is the raw materials from which we are going to cook.

    And if they’re bad, what we’re going to produce is bad too.

    So good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Different Types of Machine Learning and AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: Different Types of Machine Learning and AI?

    In today’s episode, I explain the three main types of machine learning – regression, classification, and generation. I provide examples of how each one works and how they can be applied by businesses like printers. There’s a ton of valuable info here, so be sure to watch to learn how to leverage AI and ML to improve your operations!

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    In today’s episode, Mark asks, Could you share the different types of machine learning and AI that businesses like printers should be aware of and how they can apply to their operations? Okay, so all machine learning and AI falls in three big buckets, three broad categories, regression, classification, and generation and arguably good argued generation is actually a combination of regression and classification.

    But those are the big three.

    At Trust Insights, we use the acronym fog to explain these categories, find, organize and generate.

    regression is when you have a series of numbers and you have an outcome, what mathematical relationships in those numbers do you see to the outcome? So if you have say marketing channels, and you have sales or sales qualified leads, you would use regression to say, Okay, what have all these variables, all this data that I have, has the strongest mathematical relationship to the outcome that I care about.

    And in doing so, I can then say, Well, these things are the most important and the most relevant, or at least the things we should test out.

    So if you did that, and you were looking at Facebook and LinkedIn and tick tock, and, you know, tick tock had the strongest correlation to the outcome you care about, you could then say, Okay, well, tick tock appears to have this relationship.

    Now let’s build a tick tock marketing program, or invest more in it.

    And do we see a increase in the results that tick tock generates commensurate to the investment that we are making.

    So that’s regression.

    And you again, you see this in attribution modeling, you see this in sales modeling, you see it in forecasting of almost any kind, when you’re doing those activities, you’re using regression modeling.

    And certainly for a company like, you know, a printer or a physical goods manufacturer, forecasting and predictive analytics are really important because your your content costs a lot of money to manufacture it costs, you know, real materials, physical, tangible materials.

    And so doing those predictive analytics can help you optimize your spend to focus on what’s going to deliver results.

    Second category is classification.

    This classification is exactly what it sounds like you’re organizing data.

    When you have a big pile of data like social media posts or the contents of your customer service inbox, transcripts from your call center.

    That’s all we call unstructured data.

    And it’s a big pile of lock cases, just a big pile of words.

    When you do classification, you’re going to try and organize all that data.

    What are the highest performing social posts, what are the lowest performing social posts, what are the topics that they’re about, and things you’re not trying to find an outcome.

    You’re just trying to figure out what’s in the box, what kind of sense can you make from your data? And classification, there’s all sorts of things like, you know, K nearest neighbors and clusters and support vector machines and all these different ways to, to classify data.

    But at the end of the day, what you’re trying to do is make sense of the data trying to organize it with things like topic modeling, labeling, clustering, just to just to clean things up to make it workable to make it manageable, in a lot of cases to classify things so you can reduce them from being huge data sets to just large data sets.

    And then you can run other things like regression on the results of that, so that you’re not trying to boil the ocean all at once because some of the most complicated analyses they have a they require a lot of horsepower, they require a lot of compute power.

    And if you are trying to first use up an enormous amount of compute power just to do the first round of feature engineering, you might never get done with your work.

    If you can classify it, you can reduce the dimensionality number of variables there are find patterns in the data and then run the analysis on those patterns, which is a big time saver.

    The third category, of course, is generation the making stuff we’re all familiar with what that does when it comes to again, printers or the physical world, direct mail, things like that.

    Generation is a great set of tools that you can use to, to build creative to build visuals to revamp creative and content.

    Do things like persona analysis and then persona based creative development with language models, you say, Hey, here’s my ideal customer.

    Here’s my sales copy, rewrite my sales copy in a way that will appeal to the the the ideal customer based on their personality or based on that what you know about this industry and these these kinds of people.

    Those are those are really powerful tools.

    And I would say you need to have all three you need to classify your data to organize it.

    You need to use regression to figure out what’s working.

    You need to use regression.

    Also, if you want to train you on a custom train, some stuff along with classification, and then you generate you make stuff with the data you have.

    So really good question.

    There’s a lot to dig in here too.

    There’s a ton of math.

    I think that’s a good place to stop for now.

    So thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How To Vet AI Vendors?

    You Ask, I Answer: How To Vet AI Vendors?

    In today’s episode, I share the top questions marketers should ask AI vendors to avoid getting duped. I explain what to look for in their architecture and abstraction capabilities. Asking the right technical questions helps reveal who’s the real deal. Tune in to get my insider tips on vetting vendors to make informed AI purchasing decisions!

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    In today’s episode, Mark asks, you discuss the importance of marketers asking the right questions to vendors, what are the top questions you believe marketers should be posing to AI vendors to ensure they’re making informed decisions? Okay, this is a really good question because a lot of the time marketers don’t necessarily know what to ask vendors, but they know that they’re well, they’re concerned that a vendor is going to try and pull a fast one, right? sell you something that isn’t really theirs, it’s vaporware, or there are less ethical vendors are hoping you just don’t ask tough questions.

    So I tend to ask very technical questions because I want to know the architecture of what’s underneath under the hood, right? I want to know what’s happening on the inside.

    And in a lot of cases with artificial intelligence, especially you don’t need to give away if you’re a vendor, you don’t need to give away the secret sauce, right? But you can tell someone what the architecture is just like, you know, if you go to a can of soda, you can see what the ingredients are, you don’t get the recipe, you don’t know how much of each ingredient there is, or there’s a secret process, but you get the ingredients.

    So if you open up a can of Coca Cola, you’re not getting Coke’s secret recipe, but you are being told here’s the things that are in this thing that can that make it work or not work.

    When it comes to AI, for example, when I’m looking at a company that offers generative AI capabilities, like language generation, I will ask that company, what is your foundation model? Right? And less skilled sales folks will say, Oh, what’s a custom proprietary model that we developed in house and stuff like, yeah, okay.

    What’s the foundation model that you tuned on? Because if you know the generative AI space reasonably well, you know that there’s about five companies on the planet that can put together really good, true foundation models.

    Now, granted is more than but basically, you need a company that has roomfuls of servers and roomfuls of GPUs to build a foundation model and you need months of time to build one of these things.

    Most, most startups, you know, most marketing vendors, they’re not going to have the hundreds of millions of dollars in cash, the people, the server rooms, etc.

    To make a true foundation model and we’re talking about models like GPT for which powers chat GPT and GPT for V, Claude to llama to etc.

    etc.

    The, the big names when it comes to foundation models, these models are huge, they’re huge, they’re complex.

    And there are not that many companies can make a true foundation model.

    Now, yes, you can build a small foundation model on your laptop, right? There’s actually tutorials online, if you want to build the equivalent of like a GPT to you can do that, and it will take you a really long time.

    So when you look at a marketing vendor, a company in the marketing space, they are almost certainly using someone else’s model as their foundation, and then they have custom tuning to that model.

    Now, they may have a private fine tuned model, like you can make inside of open AI, they may have an API, they’re just calling an API to talk to somebody else’s model, they may have what’s called prompt efficient fine tunes, which includes things like Laura’s low rank adapters that essentially are like plugins to a foundation model.

    So you have a foundation model like llama to and you make a plugin called, you know, the Trust Insights plugin, it’s got all of our blog content in there, it’s got all of our email, newsletters and things.

    And it’s been trained on us and you plug it into the foundation model.

    And that then in turn, gives you the ability to specialize, or behind the scenes, these companies may have a vector database where a client’s text goes so that the again, the language model knows what things to say.

    And you might even not have one model, you might have several, you might have an ensemble of models.

    But again, a vendor that doesn’t have anything to hide can explain this right again, there’s no secret sauce being given away.

    You might say, yeah, we have an ensemble of models, you know, three of which are based on the llama to family, one of which is one of open AI is models and we counterbalance across all four models.

    Great.

    That is useful architecture that tells me, you know what you’re talking about, that you that we know what’s behind the scenes was under the hood is the real deal.

    But you haven’t given me any of the secrets or you haven’t told me exactly how your model works.

    You haven’t told me, you know what your prompting looks like, what your data storage looks like.

    And those are all parts that in the final application make a big difference with the user experience and so on and so forth.

    But the truthfulness and willingness of a vendor to answer that question about the foundation model tells me a lot about the vendor, right? A vendor who is cagey or deflecting, that’s a vendor I don’t trust, because they should know what’s under the hood.

    They should, they should be able to say Yeah, we are we use this or that, right? It’s kind of like go to a restaurant and asking who their ingredient supplier is or is there gluten in this food? And we’re not asking for the recipe.

    We’re asking for the chef to come out and explain step by step exactly how it’s made.

    We’re just asking, Hey, what’s in this thing so that we know whether or not it’s safe to eat? Especially when it comes to generative AI, the second question I asked is about abstraction.

    So abstraction means you have the ability to take a model and swap it out with a different model, right? vendors who tie their entire business to a model they picked at a specific period in time, they put themselves and their customers at risk, at risk of being underperforming being out of date, new models and particularly new foundation models come out all the time.

    If you were building your company two years ago and the state of the art at the time was opening eyes GPT three, and you just built everything around that you hard coded in and you’re really proud of this application.

    Well, since then, GPT three has been superseded by GPT 3.5 GPT 3.5 turbo GPT 3.5 turbo 16k GPT four GPT four V and you’re now like five generations behind the the current up to date foundation models.

    Right? If you have done a good job of building an abstraction layer into your software, then as circumstances change, you can say to the customer, Hey, do you want to use GPT four V for this? Do you want to use Claude to for this? Do you want to use llama to for this? That abstraction if you thought through in your product means giving customers choice.

    And those choices can sometimes be very beneficial for customers, your customer who gets a lot of choice in the models they’re allowed to pick, they can, they can choose a model maybe on cost GPT four V is a costly model to run llama to is a relatively inexpensive model to run and depending on the task and maybe your software if it’s very clever can even recommend Hey, for this task, it looks like, you know, llama to is the best choice for you.

    That’s those are the questions that I ask AI vendors when I’m having a conversation with them to build the ability to just say like, Hey, what’s in the box? Explain your architecture explain your decisions and the choices you’ve made.

    So that I understand how far along you are in your own AI journey.

    And I can make good purchasing decisions based on the way you’ve got your system set up.

    And so that those are my questions.

    Those are my answers to those questions.

    So what I look for and you know, there may be other considerations.

    There may be considerations like price or data privacy and stuff.

    So this is by no means an exhaustive list of the questions to ask.

    These are just the ones that I look for.

    Because it helps me judge very quickly whether or not someone is the real deal.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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