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  • Mind Readings: How Should Educators Think About Generative AI?

    Mind Readings: How Should Educators Think About Generative AI?

    In this episode, I discuss how educators should approach the use of generative AI in the classroom. While some schools are banning its use, these tools are not going away and are being adopted by businesses for their ability to create content better, faster, and cheaper. The role of education should shift from being a gatekeeper of information to teaching critical thinking skills, such as how to evaluate information and identify misinformation. Generative AI should be used to demonstrate its capabilities, take care of tasks that are not worth doing, and as a foil for exploring student knowledge. Education should focus on developing creativity, the ability to derive insights from data, and critical thinking skills that are highly valued in today’s world. So, educators should ask themselves whether banning an AI tool that speeds up the manufacturing process detracts from education, and if it does, they are not teaching the right things.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about how educators should be thinking about generative AI.

    I got an email from my son’s school saying, we have forbidden the use of gender to AI tools like ChatGPT.

    And our anti plagiarism systems will be rigorously looking for uses of generative AI and will, and so on and so forth.

    They went on for a bit.

    And I’m like, no, they don’t.

    I happen to know a decent number, the plagiarism tools, and they are really bad at detecting a, they’re not great at detecting plagiarism and B, they have very little chance of detecting well constructed generated text.

    Now, if you just write a one sentence prompt, and you copy and paste from that into a text document, yeah.

    But you also don’t need software to detect that that was written by ChatGPT.

    Because that always sounds the same out of the box without a lot of tweaking.

    So no good try educators.

    Here’s the thing that educators need to be thinking about, these tools are not going away.

    These This is not a fad, this is not something like a certain cryptocurrency or whatever, these tools are not going away.

    And the reason they’re not going away is because they enable better, faster, cheaper, right? You can create content that is better than what some people are capable of faster by a large margin and cheaper.

    Anything that creates better, faster, cheaper, is not going away in the world.

    That’s just the way the world works, right? Because everybody wants better, faster, cheaper.

    Businesses are adopting these tools like crazy, as fast as they can.

    Because again, better faster, cheaper.

    So education and educators need to have a real hard think about the things that occur within the classroom, the activities that we do the exercises, what we teach students, how we teach students how what learning looks like.

    And say what is the value that we provide? A lot of education is still stuck in an in a 20th century mindset that education is the gatekeeper, right? These are the gatekeepers of knowledge and will impart knowledge upon the students.

    That hasn’t been the case for a while, but as definitely has not been the case since 2007.

    Because these devices, which are in every student’s hands, are the gateways to information now, education, and the classroom is not where you get information.

    So telling students Oh, you can’t use this tool that exists that literally the whole planets using and the businesses are desperate to find talent for paying $330,000 a year to find.

    We’re not gonna allow that.

    And in schools, it’s like those schools that tried to ban the internet.

    Yeah, that worked out really well, didn’t it? So what is the role of generative AI? How should educators be thinking about it? Let’s take the 10 standard term paper, right? Take a term paper.

    What does writing a term paper teach you? What is it? What is it good for? Synthesizing data, synthesizing information coming up with a perspective? Perhaps.

    But ChatGPT, you can write a term paper probably better than you can on any given topic? So what are you really learning? The mindset that education needs to adopt and rapidly is not being a gatekeeper of information.

    But teaching the skills of how to critically evaluate information, how to look at information go, that’s wrong, or that requires more research, or that has some nuance to it.

    That is not explained clearly here.

    And equipping equipping students with those capabilities, and maybe a term papers that tool but probably not if a machine can do it.

    What can’t a machine do? What can a machine realistically not do in a classroom setting? Think about things like debate, rhetoric, argument, think about building points of view that are opinion based on data.

    Right? Is climate change real? All there’s evidence that there is how would you build a case for or against it? What kind of critical thinking would you adopt? And can you point out the logical flaws in any given positions argument? The the danger that tools like ChatGPT pose are not cheating on on exams and stuff because, again, let’s be honest exams that current format are not really all that effective.

    The danger that they pose to the greater society is they speak very authoritative ly even when they are authoritatively wrong, large language models right in such a way that comes across as very authoritative.

    And if you don’t think critically, if you can’t think critically, you read the app and go, Oh, that sounds good.

    I believe that even if it’s totally wrong, totally wrong.

    It is that subject matter expertise and the ability to think critically and look at a piece of information and evaluate, go, is that right? How would I know if that wasn’t right? What would I need to do to prove or disprove that? Those are the skills that 21st century Denmark or Sweden or Tuvalu or Malaysia or America neat? Because we have a lot of people and a lot of outright hostile governments around the world using these tools to create misinformation and disinformation.

    How do you teach people to think critically? How do you teach people to look at a post on social media going, you know, a, I think that was written by a machine and be I’m pretty sure that’s wrong.

    I’m pretty sure that’s that’s propaganda, not fact.

    That’s what education should be teaching.

    That’s how educators should be thinking about generative tools.

    I had a conversation with Dr.

    Nicole Rossi at Framingham State University not too long ago, who was explaining that in the senior level psychology class, they use ChatGPT.

    Right in the classroom, they will have it write about a specific topic like you know, abnormal psychology and have it put together a document and then the students role is to critique it, to say, this is what it got wrong.

    This is the nuance that wasn’t in there.

    This is what the machine didn’t know or the prompt wasn’t good enough to, to explain.

    That’s how you use these tools.

    Right? Use these tools to demonstrate their capabilities.

    You use these tools to take care of tasks that frankly, are not worth doing, like writing term papers.

    And most importantly, you use these tools as foils for helping explore students knowledge, you write, you haven’t write a position piece on the importance of recycling.

    And then you have students go research that figure, did it write something that was correct, or did write something was factually wrong.

    And that process of proving or disproving is the essence of critical thinking.

    Think about every political or social issue.

    That is a hot button issue.

    How many people who are partisans of that issue, have ever thought critically about the opposing point of view? Not many.

    How many people could be taught to think that way? If they want to do everyone? How many times have you looked at an issue that you’re passionate about and say, Well, if I was, if I was have the opposing point of view, what proof would I have that that point of view is valid? Sometimes there isn’t.

    Right? Someone, someone believing that the world is flat? It’s not.

    And there really isn’t any good way to disprove that point of view can look at how people present that argument.

    But it’s, you can disprove it with your own homemade weather balloon, a piece of garlic bread and a GoPro, which somebody did something to attach some garlic bread to a GoPro and send it up into space.

    It came back down they they tasted the garlic, right, it was pretty frozen.

    But the footage very clearly showed that the planet was a big sphere like object, right? Because it went so high up that you could say easily see a good chunk of the planet.

    That’s the role of generative AI, not to ban it school from educational institutions.

    Because that’s like banning search engines, like bending word processes banning calculators.

    The reality is these tools can be sticking around.

    And students need to know how to use them sooner, the better teaching students how to use them properly teaching students how to write prompts teaching students to QA the output.

    That’s the value and in doing so, you will resurrect a lot of those critical thinking skills that our current education system, particularly in the USA, where I’m based, is lacking.

    The USA education system today is a manufacturing system.

    It manufactures workers, right? It was built by Carnegie and Mellon and Rockefeller in the 1930s and the 1920s in America to make factory workers.

    Think about it.

    What are grades of school, the batches of the students? What is standardized testing?

    It’s QA testing to make sure that though, the batches of robots that you’re turning out aren’t defective.

    That’s what education is.

    That’s not what the world needs right now.

    Because we have actual robots for that.

    Now.

    That’s not where A value is created value is created now in today’s world with creativity, for being able to create something that a machine is not created, to be able to look at an enormous amount of data and derive real insights from it, to critically think and find weaknesses and a competitor strategy, all the skills that the world really values are not taught in schools, not in a manufacturing based education system.

    So for educators, look at what you’re doing.

    Look at the skills that are needed in today’s world.

    And ask yourself does betting an AI tool that speeds up the manufacturing process really detract from education? It shouldn’t, and if it does, you’re not teaching the right things.

    That’s all for this episode.

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  • Mind Readings: Intangibles are Infinite with AI

    Mind Readings: Intangibles are Infinite with AI

    In this episode, I discuss the recent debut of a 32-second ad for a fictional pizza chain called Pepperoni Hugging Spot, which was entirely made using artificial intelligence. The text, voiceover, images, and video were all generated by machines. This got me thinking about the power of intangible AI-generated content, which is infinite and can be scaled easily. While the quality of machine-generated content may not be at par with human-led productions, it is improving rapidly. This poses a challenge for businesses that rely on intangible content for revenue, as machines can now generate it at a large scale. So, the question is, how can you create additional value that does not scale? Something that doesn’t scale is where value comes from, and scarcity comes from things that don’t scale. So, if your business relies on intangible content, it’s time to start thinking about how to create additional value. If you found this topic interesting, please hit the subscribe button.

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    In this episode, let’s talk about intangibles Infiniti AI, and peperoni.

    Hugging spot.

    If you missed it this past week, a, a synthetic ad made entirely with artificial intelligence almost entirely with artificial intelligence debuted a 32nd ad for a fictional pizza chain called pepperoni hugging spot.

    And in this ad, if you watch it, the text is generated, the voiceover is generated, the images, the video, all that was made by machine, it is very clearly made by machine like when you watch it, this is this is definitely machine made, the the distortions, the funky looking faces, you name it, it is definitely not something that you would ever mistake as being a human led production.

    But it worked.

    It worked.

    And as we’ve been saying, with all things AI, if it’s rough now, it’ll be less rough in a year, usable in two years and better than the average human made in three years.

    When you look at where GPT two was three years ago, its outputs were right GPT-3 outputs were usable.

    It was it was pretty good.

    GPT-3 point five, more than pretty good and GPT-4, which is what’s out today, better than what is average for human beings to create.

    And seeing this got me thinking if it’s intangible, AI allows it to be infinite.

    If it’s intangible AI allows for it to be infinite.

    Think about this for a second.

    You have tangible things, right? You know, this, this mechanical shaver is a tangible thing you can hold on to it has a resource cost, a manufacturing cost, a supply chain cost to make this thing.

    I can’t pick up a blog post, or five blog posts or a million blog posts.

    In any kind of tangible form.

    I can’t take an image, or video, or sound, they’re intangibles.

    And what we are seeing in this age of generative AI is that intangibles are something machines can generate now can they generate them better than humans? Sometimes, I mean, if you take the scale of human capabilities and skills from face rolling on the keyboard to fuel it surprise, right, there’s definitely a bit of a bell curve there.

    The machines have been able to do better than face rolling for a while, they’ve been able to do better than the back half of the bell curve right there now at I wouldn’t say beyond the midpoint of the bell curve, beyond that, that center point and then nudging towards the front end of the bell curve.

    Depending on your skills with prompt engineering and stuff, you can get pretty far down that bell curve before you get to a point where know the quality for something that’s Pulitzer Prize winning still largely the domain of humans.

    But what machines do that people can scale? Right? They can scale for anything that is intangible words, they can make words like crazy.

    They can make images, they can make sounds and now making videos.

    And if it’s intangible, and it’s infinite, that also means that any one given piece of content doesn’t have much value by itself.

    Right now.

    There are exceptions, obviously.

    But take the average of a million blog posts, how many of them are going to generate traffic? How many of them are going to create conversions? Your Stuff individually, might be better than average, you might be saying to yourself, well, our contents working.

    Okay, your content is working.

    Not everyone’s is in and in light of that.

    If you think about the machines on this bell curve, now being able to create content that’s better than the midpoint of the bell curve.

    That meet at at scale, that means that any economic value from the back half of the bell curve now belongs to the machines.

    So when you’re thinking about how do we generate value, how do we create value? How do we create something that people would be willing to pay for? You have a scale problem with this bell curve, right? The machines allow for an infinite amount of intangible content to be created.

    And the quality of that is going to be average or below average.

    But with each year, and each iteration that quality bar goes up.

    So how do you make money? How does your company make money? What do you sell? And do you sell something that is tangible? Do you sell something intangible? If you sell something that is intangible But how do you create more value? How do you get people to keep paying for it when machines are creeping up on that area in ways that very few of us predicted, you know, even three years ago, something like auto GPT.

    And these other autonomous AI solutions, agent based AI, was theoretically possible.

    But we didn’t know that it would be that easy to glue a few instances of a life language model together, just let them do their thing, right? We didn’t know that we were effectively making autonomous versions of The Sims.

    intangibles are infinite.

    By their very nature, they’re infinite machines can scale them.

    So where can you derive value? Value comes in part from scarcity.

    There is no scarcity of content anymore.

    Look on YouTube.

    Even on YouTube, there’s a number of things that are there still human led, but machine assisted.

    I was watching some stuff on about Star Trek and the way that people, ordinary people, people with a regular laptop, no need for you know, a supercomputer are generating images and graphics that look so good.

    That 10 years ago, that would have been prime time, movie or box office quality.

    Now, your gaming laptop cranks it up, you look at what the Unreal Engine can create.

    And you look at what generative AI can create.

    We are at a point now where the technology is advancing so quickly.

    Those things that create high quality content, the expense, that exclusivity is going away, generative AI is making that go away.

    In some ways, this is good, this democratizes our ability to create high quality content.

    If you make money on content, like movie studios, or TV production studios, you should be watching this stuff really, really carefully, because it’s going to eat into your business model.

    Think about this, suppose you have a TV series that was canceled? Looking at you Netflix and Warrior Nun? What if you fed the two seasons that existed into a large language model and said extrapolate to season three.

    And then you fed that to mid journey and you fed that to 11 Labs, you fed that to all these different tools and said, make a third season regardless of what the the IP holder has, make a third season or fourth season or fifth season.

    Today that would be fairly difficult to do.

    Right? Not impossible.

    Pepperoni hugging spot is a good example.

    That’s not impossible, but it’s more challenging.

    In five years time, that might be just a prompt, make a third season of Warrior Nun, right? That might just be a prompt, and then the autonomous systems will just glue together all the pieces necessary.

    And with the way language models are evolving, the quality will probably be as good as what the human beings created.

    So think about this.

    If your value is intangible today, can a machine scale it? If so, what are you doing to create additional value that does not scale? Right? Because value comes from in power from scarcity and scarcity comes from things that don’t scale.

    What doesn’t scale in your business? give that some thought.

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    What’s On My Mind: A Marketing Antidote for Large Language Models

    This week, let’s talk about a specific aspect of large language models when it comes to marketing. Let’s dig into being notable and whether or not a large language model like GPT-4 knows who you are. Here’s a bit of background. I had the pleasure of guest teaching at Harvard Business School this week at the invitation of my friend and colleague Christina Inge. Christina’s a force in her own right; her marketing analytics textbook is one of the standards for universities to use for teaching analytics to students in America and beyond.

    During the class, I mentioned how large language models like GPT-4 and interfaces like ChatGPT and Bing will impact SEO, that they will consume a lot of unbranded search and informational queries. As part of the exercise, we did a quick search for her on Bard, Bing, and ChatGPT. Bing successfully found her, but Bard and ChatGPT came up empty. I’ve done similar tests on myself; Bard assembled a garbled and deeply incorrect version of who I am, while Bing and ChatGPT successfully identify me and my background.

    Why? What’s the difference? The difference is in content mass. How much content mass you – yourself, your company, your brand – have determines how well a large language model does or doesn’t know you. This is one of the new battlegrounds for marketers to deal with in the age of conversational AI and generative AI – how well are we known by the machines that will be taking more and more search tasks on?

    If you’re notable, the machines know you. They recommend you. They talk about you. In many ways, it’s no different than classical SEO, except that there are even fewer ways to earn referral traffic from large language models than there are classical search engines.

    But what if you’re not notable? What if the machines don’t know who you are? Well, the answer is… become notable. I realize that’s a bit oversimplified, so let’s break this down into a recipe you can use. First, large language models are trained principally on text. This can be text in regular content like blog posts, newsletters that are published on the web, and what you’d expect from common text, but it also can include things like Github code, YouTube subtitles, etc.

    We know from published papers that the training dataset named The Pile, published by Eleuther.ai, contains a wide variety of text sources:

    The contents of The Pile

    The common crawl – Pile-CC – contains much of the public web, especially things like news sites. Books3 is a database of published books. YouTube Subtitles, unsurprisingly, is a large corpus of YouTube subtitles. There’s also academic paper sites like ArXiv and tons of other data sources. This dataset is used to train Eleuther.ai’s models like GPT-J-6B and GPT-NeoX-20B as well as the newly-released StableLM model. OpenAI’s GPT models almost certainly use something similar but larger in size.

    Do you see the opportunities in here to be found? Certainly, having content on the public web helps. Having published academic papers, having books, having YouTube videos with subtitles you provide – all that helps create content mass, creates the conditions for which a large language model will detect you as an entity and the things you want to be associated with.

    In other words, you want to be everywhere you can be.

    So, how do you do this? How do you be all these places? It starts with what you have control over. Do you have a blog? Do you have a website? Do you have an account on Medium or Substack that’s visible to the public without a paywall? Start publishing. Start publishing content that associates you with the topics you care about, and publish anywhere you can that isn’t gated. For example, LinkedIn content isn’t always visible if you’re not logged in, so that wouldn’t be a good first choice. Substack? That allows you to publish with no gating. Obviously, be pushing video on YouTube – with the captions, please, so that you’re getting the words published you need to be published.

    Second, to the extent you can, reach out and try to be more places. Someone wants you as a guest on their podcast? Unless you have a compelling reason to say no, do it. Someone wants you to write for their website? Write for them – but be sure you’re loading up your writing with your brand as much as you’re permitted. Got a local news inquiry from the East Podunk Times? Do it. Be everywhere you can be. Guest on someone’s livestream? Show up with bells on.

    You don’t need to be a popular social media personality with a team of people following you around all day long, but you do need to create useful, usable content at whatever scale you practically can.

    The blueprint for what that content looks like? Follow YouTube’s hero, hub, help content strategy – a few infrequent BIG IDEA pieces, a regular cadence of higher quality content, and then an avalanche of tactical, helpful content, as much as you can manage. Again, this is not new, this is not news. This is content strategy that goes back a decade, but it has renewed importance because it helps you create content faster and at a bigger scale.

    For example, with Trust Insights, my big hero piece this quarter has been the new generative AI talk. That’s the piece that we put a lot of effort into promoting.

    The hub content is stuff like our ChatGPT Prompt Guide.

    And our help content are the endless pieces of the blog, podcast, and newsletter. That’s an example of the plan in action. The same is true for my personal stuff. The big talks are the hero content, which are on YouTube. The hub content is this newsletter, and the help content is the daily video content.

    Finally, let’s talk public relations. Public relations is probably the most important discipline you’re not using right now, not enough. If you have the resources, you need someone pitching you to be everywhere, someone lining you up for media opportunities, for bylines, for anything you can do to get published as many places as you can be. If you don’t have the resources, you need to do it yourself. But the discipline of PR is the antidote to obscurity in large language models, as long as it’s done well. We know, without a doubt, that news and publications comprise a good chunk of these large language models’ training data sets, so the more places you are, the more they will associate you and your brand with the topics and language you care about.

    What if I’m wrong? What if this doesn’t work?

    Oh no, you’re literally everywhere and on people’s minds! That’s the wonderful thing about this overall strategy. It works for machines, but it also works for people. Even if it literally has no impact on the machines (it will, because we know how they train the machines), it would STILL benefit you and your business. In fact, focusing on mindshare, on brand, on being everywhere you can be will help you no matter what.

    At whatever scale you can afford, be as many places in public as you can be. That’s how you’ll win in large language models, and win in marketing.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content for Influencer Audiences?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content for Influencer Audiences?

    In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:

    What kind of content best resonates with your audience?

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    We continue with our influencer marketing questions from the B2B influencer marketing summit from SAP and analytics, which I recently attended and was a panelist at.

    As a reminder, I’m doing this series because it was a four person 30 minute panels, we didn’t have time to really dig into any of these questions.

    And you’ve been here for the first four, you know that? Each question can be answered in about 10 minutes.

    So it’ll be a very long panel, every panelist was giving a 10 minute answer to every question.

    Today’s question is, what kind of content best resonates with your audience? I don’t know.

    I’m being a bit facetious here.

    Gender, generally speaking, this question is going to be a bilateral question.

    Knowing what the audience wants, and then knowing what you’re able to create, right? For me, I find it easiest to create this video content with an audio component, and then using AI to transcribe into text for people who want to read rather than listen or watch.

    And it’s interesting looking at the data, looking at the analytics around the audio files, the YouTube videos, the newsletters, about 50% of the audience still prefers to read things like my my weekly newsletter with the almost timely newsletter, and about 25% prefer to watch a video about 25% prefer to listen to audio.

    And so in terms of a content strategy for B2B influencer marketing, it really comes down to what are you capable of producing? Right? If you can only produce texts, and blogging is what you do.

    That’s what you do.

    I would suggest that if you’re really good at blogging, it’s not rocket surgery to get out your phone and record yourself essentially reading, reading aloud your blog.

    Because video in particular contains the most information density, and is a format that is easily distributed, thanks to services like YouTube.

    So if you’ve got the script, which is the blog post, you may as well just read out loud and of course, it’s trivial to extract the audio from a video now I have audio for a podcast or something similar.

    But that content resonance, what kind of content resonates is highly dependent on on the audience’s preferences, that’s format, topic wise.

    Topic wise, this is where you got to do some research.

    And we says at the time of recording, you can still get access to things like Twitter profiles in at scale, you can with certain tools, get a collection of say Instagram posts, or you can see performance of your content on LinkedIn.

    It is your obligation as a marketer, both as a brand as an entity as an influencer, to analyze that data, and see what are the topics that you’re covering to begin with? And then what kinds of content performance do you get on those topics? I will say like, I look at the different topics I cover.

    And right now, the topic that gets the highest engagement, the most discussion is all about AI.

    I mean, we could talk about data science and art and Python and stuff.

    And nobody really wants to talk about that.

    Right now.

    It’s all generative AI as the title this is April 2023, when I’m recording this, that’s the that’s the area of focus that people care about today.

    Audience preferences are notoriously changeable, right? They are notoriously fluid.

    And what is of interest to people today will not be of interest to people tomorrow.

    What is worthy of discussion is going to be different depending on where people’s attention is.

    When you look back the last few years, obviously the pandemic and the future of work was hot for a while.

    cryptocurrencies were hot for a while NF T’s were hot for a hot minute.

    Gender of AI is hot right now, who knows what’s next? The question that influencers have to ask themselves is what can we credibly cover? And the question that brands have to ask is, are these topics that we have a point of view on as well? That would be worth collaborating with an influencer about or not? So for my audience, again, the pillar content for me is the weekly newsletter, The almost timely newsletter, The the general content of these daily videos that go with that.

    And then the big rock content, things like books or keynote addresses and stuff but topic wise, today, it’s all about AI who knows what tomorrow will bring? And I would love your thoughts, what content resonates with you what format what topics would you want to hear more about? Be happy to hear your point of view on this as well thanks for tuning in we’ll talk to you soon if you’d like this video go ahead and hit that subscribe button

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Managing Brand Expectations for Influencers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Managing Brand Expectations for Influencers?

    In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:

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    This is the fourth in a series of questions from the B2B influencer marketing Summit held recently by SAP and Analytica.

    These are the questions from the panel discussion that we just didn’t have enough time to dig into depth about? So I’m answering them here.

    Today’s question, how do you manage brand expectations within an influencer marketing program? And this to me, is very much a measurement question, right? How do you measure influencer marketing, so that the influencer and the brand are measuring the same things, and the influencer and the brand are setting expectations appropriately based on the scope of measurement? So let’s start with a few different things, because there’s a lot to unpack here.

    First, it depends on the kind of influencer, right? We have a tendency, and I mean, we in B2B marketing, have a tendency to think of influencer marketing as social media marketing.

    And that is partly true.

    Social media is a component of influencer marketing.

    But it is mostly not true, especially in B2B.

    Here’s why.

    influence extends way outside of social media.

    If you are a pharmaceutical company, where the influential people than not on Twitter, they are in archive and Bio Archive online, they’re in published academic papers.

    They are in peer reviewed journals.

    That’s where those those folks are who make who influence decisions.

    If you were in law, and the legal realm where you’re influencers, right? They’re gonna be in LexisNexis, and find law and all these places where influential people, people who can change a conversation are hanging out again, probably not on Twitter, right? Even though for a lot of influencer marketing tools, they seem to over focus on Twitter, that’s about to change.

    If you are in real estate, where where are your influences? Good chunk, then we’re going to be on on places like YouTube and Instagram.

    Sure, publicly, behind the scenes, there’s backend systems like MLS, there’s understanding how to manipulate those systems, to to accomplish different tasks.

    If you are in coding and development, where are your influencers? They’re on GitHub.

    They’re on GitHub, they’re in code repositories.

    Maybe they’re on Reddit, maybe a few of them are on Twitter, but they’re in GitHub.

    And if you know, get hubs data model, you know how to find those influences, because it’s they’re the ones who are doing lots of commits on public projects that are about the subject area that you care about.

    Influencer Marketing extends way outside of social media.

    Right? Where if you are in in your industry, where do you see prominent people getting attention? And chances are for a lot of B2B, it’s not social media, it is someplace very specific to some kind of realm where they have expertise.

    So that’s first Where are you influencers? Second, how do you measure the impact of influencer marketing? Influencer Marketing is very similar to public relations.

    There are two primary outputs, right.

    One is awareness, to drive awareness to a new to a brand, its products and services.

    How do you create that awareness.

    And the second is trust.

    You’re bringing in influences because consumers rightfully and the consumer we use here in in the B2B and B2C sense.

    Customers don’t trust you.

    They don’t trust you to do talk honestly, about your product.

    And so you have to bring in third parties to do so on your behalf public relations, uses a lot of influencer marketing.

    And so if you think about how you measure public relations, then you should have to have a pretty good idea of how to measure influencers.

    You have basic, sort of top level metrics, like impressions, media impressions and things which are not worthless, right? If you have zero media impressions, yeah, you don’t have anything else because you no one saw you.

    So clearly, that number does mean something if if zero is bad, but then you have more complex forms of measurement.

    Example uplift modeling is something that if you’re engaging influencers to do influencer marketing, uplift modeling should be part of your toolkit, which is the statistical method to look at.

    What was business as usual, right? What would you have gotten no matter what, and then you have the influencer campaign, what’s the Delta on that? Right? What’s the what’s the impact in the days and weeks and months after an engagement above and beyond what you’re gonna get anyway, there are statistical techniques for doing that, that are statistically valid media mix modeling and other example your influencers should be part of your media mix model to see how they impact outcomes that you care about.

    Setting brand expectations means having a conversation about measurement.

    Ask them, how do you measure things? How do you want to measure this program? How will you know what success looks like? How will you know what failure looks like? And if a brand doesn’t have those answers, it’s probably not going to be a successful long term partnership.

    Right? If you can’t say to somebody, here’s what we did.

    And here’s the line of sight, the dotted line, but the path to a metric that you care about, right? If the CMO is in charge of marketing, qualified leads, something that you provide in measurement wise, had better have a correlation to marketing qualified leads in some statistical capacity so that you can say, Yeah, we did XY and Z, which resulted in a 6% lift in marketing qualified leads, that’s something that a stakeholder can take to the bank, or at least take to the boss and say, Hey, we got 60% more leads because of this program.

    Let’s keep doing it.

    So setting expectations with a brand is about setting expectations around measurement.

    And what you’re willing to provide, what the brand is willing to provide, and what you’re willing to agree on to say like, yeah, this measure doesn’t make sense, right? If there will be cases where if, if you’re providing awareness and trust, you’re probably not direct selling.

    Might be but you’re probably not, you’re probably just trying to get people to recognize this brand even exists, that they even belong in the consideration set.

    What are your consideration metrics? What are the things that people would type into a search engine or ask on a social media channel? Here’s, here’s a ton of people talking about how to learn more about this thing.

    That’s awareness.

    So that’s how I think about managing brand expectations in an influencer marketing program.

    It is what what are you measuring? What does success look like? And then can we create modeling around that, that helps you understand? Yep, you’re, you’re getting what you you want it and it is a a partnership for both the influencer and the brand, to collaborate on measurement to agree on a common standard of measurement and then to implement that measurement as part of the program.

    So that’s a part four of the questions from the influencer marketing summit, the B2B influencer marketing Summit.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Brand Collaboration Requirements for Influencers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Brand Collaboration Requirements for Influencers?

    In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:

    What makes you say yes to a brand collaboration? What makes you say no?

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    In today’s episode we continue with our questions from the B2B influencer marketing Summit held by SAP and analytical as a reminder, it was a panel discussion 30 minutes for for folks and a moderator to answer a bunch of questions.

    And, you know, in those situations, you never really get to say everything that comes to mind.

    Because you want to make sure that you’re you’re giving airtime to everybody else, everyone has a chance to contribute equally.

    So this series is all the stuff that I would have said, If there had been more time.

    Today’s question, What makes you say yes to a brand collaboration? What makes you say no? It depends.

    And I think that’s probably the the most accurate and most frustrating answer I can give to this.

    What matters? The reason I choose a brand collaboration, there’s a few I’ll say no to companies that have direct competitors of mine of Trust Insights, right? That’s kind of a no brainer, if a company is a direct competitor probably don’t want to be undermining my own business interests, which is a valid consideration, right? I have talked with brands who have said, hey, you know, you seem to be an influencer for IBM.

    So we probably don’t want to work with you.

    Because we’re competitive IBM, that goes both ways.

    Right? A brand would say, like, not sure that that’s a good fit.

    Things that do matter.

    Besides something obvious like that.

    values matter, right? Does the brand, do things that make the world objectively better or worse place? When I worked at my old agency, we would get clients who their job was to make the world a worse place.

    Right? They did stuff like petroleum extraction from places he probably shouldn’t be extracting petroleum from.

    Is it profitable? Yes.

    Does it create a a good lifestyle and wages and jobs for people in those places? Yes.

    Does it also substantially damage the environment? Also? Yes.

    Is that a concern? You bet it is.

    And so values alignment is really important when looking at a brand and saying, Do I want to work with this brand? Things that matter? The brand needs to have to open up access to stakeholders and and talent, right? Particularly in B2B marketing.

    There’s a lot of software companies, there’s a lot of, you know, SAS services, things like that.

    And I am as a buyer, and as an influencer, I am very wary of somebody that will not let me kick the tires on escorted, right.

    I know it drives some people crazy.

    But I will say to somebody, yeah, just give me a log into the product.

    And I remember what you need to do the onboarding and the tour and all stuff like No, but I can’t figure it out.

    And I’m a reasonably intelligent person, if I can’t figure out how to use your product with with no guidance, then your product needs improvement, right? Think about something like an iPad, you can hand an iPad to a four year old and pretty quickly, they can figure out what to do.

    Right? They don’t need a whole lot of onboarding, to use an iPad, and to get benefit out of it.

    That’s the bar.

    That is the bar that all software and service companies need to be able to provide to say like, yeah, it will help if you read the manual or do the onboarding, but you don’t need to to be able to get immediate value from the product.

    Another thing that I particularly look for, because I talked to a lot of data science and AI companies, let me talk to someone in engineering on escorted, again, both as an influencer and as a buyer.

    Let me talk to somebody who there’s there isn’t a brand marketer or a reputation manager like looking over our shoulder the whole time.

    I have had the experience where a salesperson said oh yeah, our product does this that the other thing and I talked to the engineer and the engineer is like, no, don’t do any of that.

    That’s not what this product does.

    And you can usually get more candor, and more.

    Were truth out of engineering it at least in the space that I work, and then you will out of sales or marketing.

    In a lot of cases, I will have questions where the marketer isn’t equipped to handle the answers.

    They just don’t know the answers.

    I was talking a number of years ago with the folks at Analytica and I was at their booth at the B2B forum.

    And we were talking about graph networks.

    And you know, the person in the booth saying, oh, yeah, our software has this type of, you know, proprietary blah, blah, blah for for identifying influencers.

    And I said, let me talk to somebody who is on the software side with the engineering side, and we got to they there was someone there, I got to chatting with them.

    And they explained like, here’s the algorithm we use.

    Here’s the the specific tech Niek and to me that gives the brand credibility.

    It says we’re willing to let you look under the hood and say, Huh, this is what’s under here.

    Look, it’s hamsters, I’m just kidding.

    And conversely, a brand that won’t, don’t work with them, don’t buy from them.

    Don’t don’t work, don’t have an influencer relationship with them because they got something to hide.

    If you won’t let engineering speak on escorted with a prospect or an influencer, you got something to hide, and that’s not good.

    Ideally, your influences should know your product as well as you do.

    Ideally, your influences should know its strengths and its weaknesses and be able to talk credibly about that to say like, yeah, this product is not for you, right? To the people who it’s not for real simple example, IBM software for the most part, if you are not a fortune 500 IBM software is not a great fit most of the time, right? dB two is a gigantic database, it is highly reliable, it is highly secure, it is highly a pain in the butt figure.

    And you need to know the ins and outs of it right? The IBM z mainframe, your average mom and pop shop does not need that.

    Right? They no one needs a mainframe.

    If you’ve got like less than 1000 employees.

    There’s certain lines of business where that makes total sense.

    And if you if you don’t let your influencers, see the inner workings of the products and services, you’re doing them a disservice.

    And you’re doing yourself a disservice because they are going to then say things that may not be true.

    Or in my case, just won’t work with you because you can’t trust what you don’t see.

    Right.

    So what’s the back end? I’ll give you another example.

    The folks over go Charlie, the marketing AI software company, I got a chance to sit down and chat with their chief AI officer dispute acoustal.

    And we got super technical.

    I was asking about vectorization embeddings, positional encodings, all this stuff that’s part of, you know, large language models.

    And she was very frank, she explained where things were things weren’t with the product and stuff.

    And as a result of that conversation, I trust that product because the person who’s representing it knows what they’re doing.

    Right.

    So that’s what makes me say yes to a brand collaboration.

    The last thing of course, is fair value exchange, right? Is our both parties getting mutual, equitable value, right? It doesn’t necessarily have to be money, a little money never hurts.

    But can we use the product? Can we use the product like a customer would? Can we get exposure to a new audience and audience that maybe we don’t have access to? So there’s, there’s different ways to provide value, but the value exchange has to be bilateral, and it has to be mutual access to stakeholders, experts, things like that.

    All sorts of things that that there are value in.

    So that’s what makes me say yes or no to a brand collaboration.

    That’s the third question from the B2B influencer marketing Summit.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Short or Long Term Influencer Partnerships?

    You Ask, I Answer: Short or Long Term Influencer Partnerships?

    In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:

    Do you like short-term or more long-term partnerships?

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    In today’s episode, we continue with our questions from the B2B influencer marketing summit that was recently held by SAP and Analytica.

    Today’s question is, in the context of B2B influencer marketing, do you like short term or more long term partnerships? For me, personally, I prefer to have more long term brand partnerships, because transactional stuff is fine, I’m certainly not going to say no to it, but developing an understanding of the brand, what they do, and how there’s their products or services are of benefit to people takes time, right? It takes time to to learn what a company does learn how it’s useful.

    Try out the company’s products or services.

    I’m a big proponent of influencers using the things that they are representing.

    Right? I have substantial issues with people who make all kinds of claims about stuff they, they’re basically talking heads, they’ve been given some talking points by the brand.

    And if you ask them, they don’t actually know anything about the product or service.

    They just go.

    Right sort of generic coverage of it.

    I think an influencer if they want to be influential if they want to be perceived by their audience as credible, needs to know what it is that they’re being influential about.

    Right? If you have, say, a piece of software like, you know, IBM Watson Studio, how well do you know it? How well can you use it? How well, can you tell somebody else about it in ways that are authentic, that are ways that are a first person perspective? Can you tell people what the weaknesses are? Can you tell people what it’s not good at? Those are really important talking points that a brand isn’t going to tell you, right? Brad’s gonna say, oh, yeah, this piece of software here.

    People who work in finance definitely shouldn’t use it, because it behind the scenes is kind of a disaster with compliance, right? I’m praying, it’s probably not going to hand that information out to an influencer.

    But somebody who has hands on experience with, say, that piece of software will know Yeah, this.

    There’s some problems on the back end of the software, it’s a good piece of software.

    But there’s these problems.

    And so that’s only stuff that you can get through long term partnerships.

    The other thing that’s good about long term partnerships, and this is more on the influencer side is that it? Once you’ve established trust, once you’ve established a relationship with the brand, it gets easier to do subsequent projects, right, it gets easier to come up with new ideas, it gets easier to build on the work that you’ve already done, and bring more benefit to the relationship.

    Think about it.

    Think about it, like, act like dating, right? What is a series of, you know, one night stands? was a series of first dates.

    Yeah, but it’s, it’s entertaining for some people.

    But you never really get to, to experience any depth with that, right? Because you’re always moving on to something new.

    And the same is true in this context.

    If you’re always, you know, representing this piece of software this week, and this company next week and stuff, and you’re not learning about what they do and how they actually work, you’re gonna have a hard time.

    Seeing the big picture around that company, you’re gonna have a hard time talking credibly about the company, in depth.

    B2B is different than B2C B2B.

    Marketing is very often collaborative.

    And they’re typically for at least for big ticket purchases, there are a lot of decision makers there are a lot of information gathers right think about how a enterprise B2B purchase works.

    Do you have a team of people putting together a shortlist of companies to talk to you have researchers gathering information doing their due diligence, you have all that information bubbling up to key stakeholders who then meet with one or more of the parties involved in in an RFP process or something? And all along the way? The people that are gathering the information to help the decision be made.

    They’re going out to influencers and analysts and reviews and stuff trying to figure out what who even belongs on the list.

    If you have a long term partnership with an influencer, there’s a good chance that that influencer has had and created much more content about you than in a short term relationship, right? You think about it, you know, they wrote one blog post or put up a LinkedIn post or or did one YouTube video with you and then they’re off, and how much how easy is it going to be for some One who’s doing research about that company to stumble across that one blog post, not very, if you have a long term partnership where that influence is creating a body of work around you, for years, there’s a good chance that someone doing their due diligence on on whatever product or service, it’s going to matter, right? It’s got to be found.

    I’ve talked for years about using IBM Watson Studio.

    And before that IBM Watson analytics.

    I’m a member of the IBM champions, I do stuff with IBM on a fairly regular and frequent basis.

    I talk about IBM, in my talks, I showcase their software where it’s appropriate to do so the probability of someone who follows me for any amount of time hearing about IBM in a positive light, but a fair one is pretty high.

    And so the next time somebody who’s doing their research, you know, if they happen to come across one of the many, many pieces of content I’ve created about IBM, they’ll go okay, this, this person recommends that this person seems to have some hands on experience with them.

    Let’s include that input into the RFP process questions to ask the different companies.

    That’s, I think the benefit of those long term influencer marketing relationships in B2B Especially, the decision cycles are long.

    There’s a lot of stakeholders.

    There’s a lot of research and gathering of information.

    And if you have a long term partnership with an influencer, there’s there’s more information there about you to be found during the buying process.

    I think it’s really important.

    But that’s the second question from the B2B influencer marketing Summit.

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    You Ask, I Answer: Building Partnerships with Influencers?

    In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:

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    In today’s episode, we’re going to answer some questions about influencer marketing, specifically B2B influencer marketing.

    Recently, I had the opportunity to attend the B2B influencer marketing Summit held by SAP and Analytica, they invited me to speak on a panel.

    And normally I try to say no to panels, because panels, by their very nature are very broad, and not very deep, right? If you have two, three or four panelists and say, a 30 minute time slot, you really can’t dig deep into any one topic and still give everyone a chance to speak, to be heard in a fair and equitable manner.

    And get through a lot of material typically does not happen.

    So panels are good for sort of a broad, very surface level look at something and not a deep dive.

    And a lot of the questions that the team had put together for the panelists are really good questions that deserve more time than we had.

    So I figured I would tackle some of these questions here, where there is no time limit, there’s no other panelists.

    I don’t have to worry about talking over somebody or trying to get something out too quickly.

    And not saying what, what might be useful or helpful.

    So let’s dig in the first one.

    Now, the first question from the panel that we’ll start with today’s episode is, what’s the best way for a relationship to form between you being an influencer and a brand within the context of B2B marketing.

    And, at least for me, the longest lasting and most successful partnerships that I’ve had with brands are typically around brands and products and services that I already use, or that someone offers me a chance to use and say, Hey, here’s the here’s the thing.

    We think it’s good, here’s why we think it’s good.

    And we’d like to give it to you, without any strings attached to try it out.

    software services in the past, I’ve worked with, like Talkwalker, for example, IBM Watson Studio, things, these, these are all services that have had a chance to try.

    And then as I see if you know, if a company has the goods or not, typically, that can then lead to an engagement of some kind of piece of content of recommendation, something that is a useful value.

    And the value exchange is pretty clear.

    I get ongoing access to the product, and they get ongoing exposure with the audience with you.

    And I feel like those the the relationships that tend to work the best for me, what tends to work less well, is, at least on a long term basis, are you know, hey, here’s a thing, would you talk about it, right? Or would you like to do an interview with somebody, stuff like that.

    And I get a ton of those pitches.

    Really.

    They’re done by marketers who expect influencers to be like advertisers, and to some degree and with some folks, that is 100% of the case.

    You give the person your money, and they do the thing that you ask them to do.

    But certainly within B2B marketing, there is almost an expected level of expertise or credibility that goes with the influencer marketing to not just have someone shilling for your company.

    But to actually understand the use case, why would somebody use this product or service? What makes it valuable? It’s different than consumer B2C influencer marketing, right? You see a celebrity or even a micro influencer, they get the product, they liked the product, they do a few things on Instagram with it, and they’re out they’ve accomplished their goal.

    You don’t tend to see a lot of long term partnerships with influencers and B2C Typically, you know, they come and go.

    Sponsorships are the same way go to a popular YouTubers account.

    You see them hocking mailboxes this day and fresh food delivery this day.

    And you never get a sense of okay, this is a company that aligns well with the influencer.

    And that the influencer would be credible to talk about, right? I had a company recently give me a product and I’m like, I don’t use this product.

    I, I don’t really like this product.

    And I didn’t feel comfortable representing it because as like, this is really off target.

    Right? I talked about marketing and data science and AI, and you gave me this, you know, left handed smoke shifter thing.

    And it’s like, man, it’s not really not really on target.

    And that’s a big part of building those relationships as well.

    He’s He’s the is the brand relevant, right? Is there something that I personally find interesting.

    Now, you know, there’s that’s not to say there aren’t there isn’t room for consumer goods within a B2B influencers.

    sphere.

    Right, if you happen to manufacture say hand folded katanas Sure, hit me up, right? Doing stuff with swords is very much part of who I am.

    But I think that’s, that’s where a lot of brands go wrong.

    They do not do their homework, they do not investigate who they’re looking at for influencers, they’ve typically gone into some influencer marketing software portal list of requisite number of followers or whatever the surface metric they’re using.

    And they don’t really dig in and say, okay, is this person the kind of person that we would want representing us? You’d be a simple example, I dig pretty deep into people’s claims about AI.

    And if you say you’re using AI, and it’s not particularly robust, or you’re just outright lying, I’m probably gonna say that out loud.

    I’m gonna say, oh, yeah, this company, they, they they kind of have AI but is really primitive and perhaps don’t use their software.

    Right? That’s not going to make a brand manager super happy to hear that from an influencer, that presumably, they they’ve paid money or spent time developing relationship on.

    So that’s consideration as well.

    It’s going to vary your experience is going to vary every influencer because they’re all human, right? They’re all people, every influencer is going to be different.

    Some influencers is gonna say, yeah, just give me your credit card, and we’ll do stuff others are gonna say, who are you? What do you do and why are you talking to me? And the spectrum is as wide and as varied as there are people.

    So forming relationships with influencers means doing homework, making sure that it’s what you have to offer is relevant.

    Making sure that their audience is relevant to you, and figuring out ways to do stuff in advance by doing your homework that are aligned and work for both you and the influence you have in mind.

    So that’s today’s question from the B2B influencer marketing Summit.

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    What’s On My Mind: The Dawn of Autonomous AI

    This past week was another wild one, this time with the dawn of autonomous AI. Well, that’s not strictly true; we’ve had autonomous AI for a while, but not specifically with large language models and not in ways that are easily accessible. Let’s talk about what this stuff is, what it means, and what you and I should be doing about it.

    First, what is autonomous AI? Autonomous AI is AI that does stuff itself. We give it some general directions, and then it goes and does those things. Probably the most well-known type of autonomous AI is the self-driving car. You put in a destination, and the car drives itself, figuring out how to get from where you are to where you want to go. Along the way, it drives, navigates, and communicates how the trip is going, dealing with traffic, pedestrians, etc. We’ve seen plenty of demos about how this sort of technology works, and for the most part, it does work about as well as a human driver – perhaps slightly better. At least the AI driver isn’t staring at its phone while changing lanes at 80 miles an hour on the highway.

    We see examples of autonomous AI even within our homes. If you’ve ever gotten one of those smart robot vacuum cleaners, that’s autonomous. Given a programmed schedule and the restrictions you want it to obey (usually programmed by you in an app), it does its thing until either the task is done or it’s devoured an errant power cable on your floor for the third time this week.

    Now, in the context of large language models, models like the GPT family from OpenAI, Google PaLM, StabilityAI’s Stable LM, and many others, what does this mean? We’re used to interacting with these models in a singular fashion. Open up an instance of ChatGPT, start typing your prompt, and it does whatever you direct it to do. (assuming it’s in compliance with the terms of service etc.) That’s a single instance of the model within the interface, and for many tasks, that’s good enough.

    Suppose you were able to start two instances of ChatGPT. Suppose one instance could hear what the other instance was saying and respond appropriately to it. You’d sign into one instance and tell it to start writing a blog post. You’d sign into the other instance and tell it to correct the blog post for grammatical correctness and factual correctness. Both instances would start almost competing with each other, working with and against each other’s output to create an overall better outcome.

    That’s the essence of autonomous AI within the context of large language models. They’re multiple instances of a model working together, sometimes adversarially, sometimes collaboratively, in ways that a single instance of a model can’t do. If you consider a team of content creators within an organization, you might have writers, editors, producers, proofreaders, publishers, etc. Autonomous AI would start up an instance for each of the roles and have them perform their roles. As you would expect in a human organization, some tasks are collaborative and some are adversarial. An editor might review some writing and send the copy back with a bunch of red ink all over the page. A producer might tell the editor they need to change their tone or exclude negative mentions about certain brands or personalities.

    So, why would someone want to do this? There are plenty of tasks – complex tasks – that require more than a single prompt or even a series of prompts. They require substantial interaction back and forth to work out key points, to deal with roadblocks, to collaborate and create greater outputs than they could individually. These tasks are the same ones people often work together on to create better outputs than they could individually. I might have an idea I want to write about, but I know that for a significant number of them at work, my ideas get better when I discuss them with Katie or John. Sometimes they behave in a collaborative way, asking “what if” questions and helping me expand on my ideas. Sometimes they behave in an adversarial way, asking “so what” questions and making sure I’ve taken into account multiple points of view and considerations.

    That’s what an autonomous AI does. It plays these roles against itself and with itself, working as a team within a computational environment. It’s like an AI office, where the individual office workers are AI instances.

    What would this look like as an example? Here’s the setup I devised in AutoGPT, one of the most popular versions of this technology. AutoGPT asks for an overall purpose and five goals to accomplish. Here’s what I told it to do:

    • You are a nonfiction author. You write books about marketing, marketing analytics, marketing attribution, attribution modeling, marketing mix modeling, media mix modeling, media spend, marketing strategy, marketing budgeting. You will write the outline for a book about marketing mix modeling using LASSO regression. You will write in the style and voice of marketing author and expert Christopher S. Penn.
    • The book you will write will be a total of 60,000 words about marketing mix modeling. You will write 20 chapters of 3,000 words per chapter.
    • You will write about why marketing mix modeling is important, what marketing mix modeling is (with examples), and how to implement marketing mix modeling in the R programming language with plenty of examples.
    • You will review your writing to ensure the book is 60,000 words or more, grammatically correct, coherent, and appropriate for business book readers. You will ensure that you have correctly captured the writing style of marketing expert Christopher S. Penn.
    • You will export your work in Markdown format, one Markdown file for each chapter of the book. The book’s author is Christopher Penn. The year of publication is 2023. The publisher is TrustInsights.ai. The book is published in the United States of America.

    Once I got the software installed on my laptop, configured, and ready for use, I started up the engine and put in my goals:

    AutoGPT

    We see above, it’s getting started and working out the structure of what it needs to accomplish. It knows it needs to extract data about what marketing mix modeling is, what my writing style is, and outline the book. About 20 minutes after I issued these commands, it started cranking away:

    AutoGPT mid process

    These are the first passes through, just getting together the text. It hasn’t started checking over its work to ensure each chapter is the correct length (it’s not), or that it’s coherent and matches my writing style. But you can see just from these examples, from this process, that it’s going to do what I directed it to do in a very efficient way. This is what autonomous AI looks like.

    Now, let’s be clear. This isn’t sentience. This isn’t self-awareness. The machine is not alive in any way, shape, or form. It still needed me to declare what it was supposed to be doing. It has no agency of its own without that initial direction, something to kick off the process, so banish any thoughts of Terminators or Skynet. All kinds of folks are talking about this as the start of artificial general intelligence, of truly intelligent artificial life, and it’s not. This is no more alive than a self-driving car. Your cat has more agency than this, more free will. That is not the threat that this technology poses.

    What threats does it pose? A few. First, as you can see from the example, this dramatically increases the complexity of tasks that large language models can tackle in a relatively straightforward way. Up until now, large language models struggled to deal with very large forms of text, like novels and books. They don’t generate those well in a singular fashion. This can do so, dealing with far more complex problems and tasks.

    Second, this technology exacerbates issues with copyright. At one point, AutoGPT opened up a web browser and started surfing my website to get a sense of my voice and tone. That’s okay – it’s my website, and obviously I give it permission to do so. Suppose I had suggested someone else’s voice instead? That’s problematic, and there’s no ethical checksums, no checks and balances in the technology to say, “hey, maybe don’t do that”. The tool is truly agnostic, truly amoral. It has no concept of right or wrong, which means that any morality needs to come from us.

    And that brings us to the third problem. This tool has no morals, good or bad. It only understands the tasks you give it, and it works to achieve those tasks. Morality is in the eye of the beholder. Suppose I wanted the tool to generate some propaganda. Would it do that? Yes, unquestionably. Suppose I wanted the tool to scrape some data from LinkedIn. Would it do that? Yes, yes it would. Suppose I wanted the tool to find a working login to a secured website. Would it do that? Yes, it would. Without going into any details, I asked it to try to break into my personal website, and it went about trying to figure that out. Did it succeed? Not at the time I tried it, which was 5 days ago.

    In the last 5 days, the ecosystem around the tool has introduced dozens of plugins that make the tool more capable, like different kinds of web browsing, connections to services and APIs, all sorts of capabilities. It’s a very small stretch of the imagination to envision tasks that autonomous AI could undertake that you might not want it to. People who work in cybersecurity should be very, very concerned and should be watching these kinds of tools like a hawk. They should be red-teaming with these tools today to understand what their capabilities are and are not.

    The output right now out of tools like AutoGPT stinks at the moment. It’s coherent but it’s boring, and the process is janky as hell. It’s not ready for prime time…

    … just like GPT-2 wasn’t ready for prime time three years ago. And today, GPT-4 and similarly sized models are in production, in the world, and working really, really well at a large number of tasks. Autonomous AI is just getting started, so to dismiss its shoddy output today and assume it will not evolve is just short-sighted.

    AutoGPT animation

    Whether or not we wanted this technology, it now exists and is available in the world. So what should we do about it?

    At a personal or organizational level, we need to be doing rigorous audits of the kinds of work we perform to see what other tasks AI could take on. I’d initially thought that large language models couldn’t easily take on very large content tasks until next year, and here we are. In what ways could you use technology like this for longer-form content like books, keynote addresses, movie scripts, entire publications? Start today doing an audit, then start testing these tools.

    If your writing skills are not better than an AI’s writing skills, now is the time to either level up your writing skills or learn how to operate AI software effectively. There isn’t much middle ground on this – either you get better, or you work with the machines that are better. There isn’t a place at the table for mediocre to poorly skilled writers in the very near future.

    At a societal level, we need to solve for some very important issues sooner rather than later, things like universal basic income. As I said, the output today is meh at best. It’s not going to stay that way. We’re already seeing some publications announcing more layoffs of writers as generative AI tools are adopted as cost-cutting measures. That’s going to accelerate. Something like universal basic income is essential to keeping the economy operational, because if you reduce the number of employed people by 40-60% – which is very possible as these tools advance – you will need to provide for them in some fashion.

    Of all the AI technologies I’ve seen demonstrated in the last year, autonomous AI is the first one that legitimately unsettles me. Watching the tool running on my laptop screen, seeing how it thinks and reasons – it’s unnerving. As its quality improves, as it can tackle more complex tasks and more nuanced tasks, I believe it poses as many dangers as it does benefits, perhaps more. You owe it to yourself to get smart about it and watch it carefully as it evolves to see what the big picture implications are sooner rather than later. I know I am.

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    You Ask, I Answer: Is Organic Social Media a Marketing Channel?

    Theresa asks, “What’s your actual position on whether or not social media is a marketing channel?”

    In this video, I answer a question from the Agorapulse Great Debate: is organic social media a marketing channel? Note that this is not a question about whether organic social media works or not – that’s not debated. It’s whether it falls into the marketing channel category or not. Watch the video to find out more.

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    In today’s episode, Theresa asks, What is your actual stance on whether or not social media organic social media is a marketing channel or not? This is a follow on to the Agorapulse great debate about organic social media and whether it is a marketing channel or not in that debate, I was assigned the position of against that organic social media is not a marketing channel.

    This happens to coincide with what I actually believe that it’s not a marketing channel.

    And here’s why.

    Organic social media is an umbrella term for a bunch of very, very disparate products and services, right? You of course, have the obvious things like Facebook, for example, or Instagram, but you also have stuff like Slack or Discord, or Tiktok, or YouTube, take your pick of the gazillion and a half different apps that all fall under the social media umbrella, here’s an easy way to to look at the products that go into a product like Agorapulse.

    And you’ll see in there all the different social networks that connects to so why can’t we call this a marketing channel? Because there’s no way do apples to apples on anything in there, right? If you go in and you look right, Slack Discord like yeah, these are powerful tools for social media communities or managing social media communities, and they work great Facebook groups, similar LinkedIn groups, etc.

    How do you do an apples to apples comparison with that and say, Tiktok? Right? How do you even do an apples to apples comparison with say Facebook and YouTube? Right? Facebook says a video of viewers three seconds, YouTube says a video viewers 30 seconds.

    So you can’t even compare apples to apples in the same kind of format.

    When you look at a marketing channel, the purpose of a marketing channel is to deliver information and possibly enable the sale of goods to consumers within that channel, right? How do you how you deliver products and services and goods to someone in a Discord server versus on your Tiktok profile, totally different, totally different can even use even the same copy, you have to transform into different media formats.

    compound that with the fact that organic social media really is kind of a horizontal, right? If you’re good at it, you can use it at every stage of the customer journey.

    You can use it for awareness, you can use it for consideration.

    You can use it for purchase enablement, right.

    You can buy stuff right off of Instagram, you can use it for customer service and reputation management, evangelism, things like that there have been any number of companies that have bought software that does employee advocacy on social media programs, a marketing channels purpose.

    And design intent is for marketing, right? It’s not for sales, right? You can’t use display ads for customer service, just just not a thing.

    And yet, when we talk about whether or not social media is a marketing channel on when we treat it, like an aggregated marketing channel, we’re kind of lumping all that stuff in together.

    And that’s not what a marketing channel is.

    It’s important to distinguish that we’re saying I’m saying that organic social media is not a marketing channel, that is not the same as saying it’s ineffective, right.

    I think during the debate, people got kind of confused.

    That saying was bad or that was ineffective.

    And yeah, if you’re bad at it, it’s ineffective.

    But if you’re bad at anything, it’s ineffective.

    But the question was, the debate was is a marketing channel? Not whether it’s good or not, not whether it’s effective or not, it is effective in the right hands.

    So social media is very effective.

    It’s just not a marketing channel.

    And again, it for me it comes down to, can you do apples to apples comparisons of the strategies, tactics, execution and measurement of disparate social channels? The answer is no, you can’t.

    You can do subsets right.

    Realistically, every individual service in social media is a marketing channel, right? Instagram is a marketing challenge.

    You can do an apples to apples comparison of an influencer program on Instagram with your your company’s Instagram brand profile, that is a sensible way to do apples to apples, which is getting better engagement, it’s the same kind of engagement, same definitions for what constitutes a view, etc.

    But when you’re trying to do cross channel measurement in social media, it’s really difficult.

    How do you measure the impact of Instagram? And how is it different from how you measure the impact of slack or Telegram, right, or Wechat or WhatsApp? They’re all social media.

    But they’re not all the same.

    And the measurement among them is not apples to apples.

    So from that debate, no organic social media is not a channel and critically, if you are treating it as a channel and lumping all the data together and measuring to get together, you are probably unfairly boosting underperforming channels and unfairly penalizing your over performing channels within on social media, so Don’t lump it all together, be very granular with it and you’ll, you’ll get more success out of your social media efforts because you’ll focus on what’s working for you within the umbrella term of social media.

    Good question.

    As you heard, we had quite a debate about it, and I hope that you give it some thought and how you measure it and manage your social media.

    Thanks for watching.

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