Author: Christopher S Penn

  • Mind Readings: Startups, Brands, Agencies, and Professional Development

    Mind Readings: Startups, Brands, Agencies, and Professional Development

    Looking to improve your skills in a dynamic working environment? Consider moving from a brand-side role to a startup or agency. These environments offer the opportunity to flex and grow your existing skills, learn new ones, and remain relevant in an ever-changing landscape. However, be prepared for the fast-paced, multi-faceted demands that can lead to burnout. Get ready to challenge yourself and expand your expertise in a new professional setting.

    Mind Readings: Startups, Brands, Agencies, and Professional Development

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    Christopher Penn 0:00
    In today’s episode, let’s talk about the different kinds of working environments and the ones that are good for improving your skills.

    So, when you work brand side at a regular company, where you are the marketing coordinator, marketing manager, marketing director, whatever the case may be, you’re going to be facing very specific problems that that company has that will require you for whatever their marketing plan is to really dig deep into your areas of specialty.

    So, for example, I used to work at an email marketing company.

    And one of the things that the company did was, of course, email marketing, sort of the do the thing to prove the thing.

    And so I had to get really, really good at email marketing get better at it than I’ve ever had been in my career learn all about deliverability, spam, subject lines, you name it, every aspect of email marketing, I had to get really good at to be successful in that position.

    The challenge with something brand side is that when you work at a brand side a specific kind of company, you kind of have to focus on that those company’s problems to keep sort of stay within the guardrails for that company’s problems.

    You may think, hey, let’s do Tiktok.

    But Tiktok maybe isn’t within that company’s purview of marketing channels that they want to invest a lot of time at.

    Now, you could suggest it or you could pilot a program there.

    But for the most part, within a single company, you’re going to have some restrictions on what things you can and cannot invest a lot of your time.

    And contrast that with an environment like a startup or an environment like an agency.

    Both of these have very similar skills, environments where, depending on the situation, the day, the client, you may have very, very wildly different asks for your skills, they may not necessarily be as deep asks, but they will be broad and varied.

    When I worked at a PR agency, I was doing things from predictive analytics to helping people identify news publications using Google’s GDL database, all the way to going on sales pitches with the the PR teams to try and help them sell more of their stuff.

    And so in that environment, was definitely using more of my skills, and then having to keep up with all the changes in the environment, at Trust Insights.

    We are a startup, we’re, we’re five years old now.

    But we are still a very small, very agile team that has to adapt to whatever is coming down the road.

    You know, three months ago, six months ago, we were not talking about chat GPT-3.

    Now we have a portfolio of things that work well within that particular ecosystem.

    You know, two years ago, we weren’t really talking about deep analysis on Tiktok.

    Of course, we are now any number of changes in the landscape, when you’re a startup or when you’re in an agency are things that you have to keep up on, if you want to continue to remain relevant, and you want to continue to provide value to clients.

    So if you feel like you’re stuck in your career, if you feel like you’re not growing, one of the antidotes one of the antidotes to that may be to either go agency side, or to work in a startup environment, which is a bit more of a free for all, where you can flex a lot of your existing skills, you can dust off skills you have not used in a while, and you can acquire new skills that are tuned for the necessity that whatever happens to come about, for example, when I was working with this, this save Warrior Nun movement.

    And the design team was busy that day, and we had a banner a billboard that was supposed to go up in in Times Square in New York City.

    And we have a nice static image.

    And the question was asked, Can we animate this can we make this the billboards a digital billboard? Can we animate this? I know enough to know that Adobe After Effects can do that kind of animation to make like the little things on the poster glow.

    Never did it.

    And so I hopped into YouTube and Google and said okay, I do this what what buttons do I push into After Effects to make it do this? And lo and behold, found a number of tutorials kind of amalgamated the advice together and was able to animate the billboard in a timely fashion and get it over to the production team.

    And Now 1000s of people are seeing my Adobe After Effects hack job.

    Because that volunteer movement is very much like the environment of a startup, there is a need.

    If you have basic adult skills to search for information and follow directions, and know the kinds of questions to ask, you can pinch hit in a bunch of different areas that you normally would not necessarily be doing in, say, a more structured environment.

    The flip side of environments like agencies and startups is that burnout is very common, because you are pulled in so many directions because you can’t focus too deeply on any one thing.

    The environment does burn you out after a while, it can get very tiring to constantly be context switching.

    First, you’re working on this client and this thing, and then you’re moving on to this client and this thing, and then you’re like, your brain just overloads after a while.

    So if you are the kind of person who maybe doesn’t like barely controlled chaos, or you’ve been in that environment for awhile, you might want to flip back to brand side where again, you have those guardrails, you’re going to be constrained in the things that you’ll be asked to do the most of.

    But if you want some more structure, that might be the way to do it.

    So those are a couple of different ways to think about the kind of environment that you want to work in that will either let you broaden your skills or let you focus your skills and the kinds of things the conditions that will occur in each environment.

    There’s no one right answer.

    There’s no answer that says, This is the best place to work.

    There is a best place to work for you right now, depending on where you are in your career, and that will change that it should change.

    If it doesn’t change, you might not be growing enough or you might not be developing enough professionally.

    So give that some thought.

    Thanks for tuning in.

    We’ll talk to you soon.

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  • Almost Timely News, February 5, 2023: Reliable Reach

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    What’s On My Mind: Reliable Reach as a Strategic Imperative

    This past week, I talked about the massive changes in SEO coming soon-ish. The takeaway from that video, which I encourage you to watch, is that large language models capable of answering questions (like ChatGPT) will dramatically change how SEO works and send far less unbranded search traffic to our websites than we’ve become accustomed to. If you think about how a Google Home, Siri, or an Alexa device work today and the limited amount of search results they deliver, that’s what the future of SEO looks like, especially for unbranded searches.

    One of the critical insurance policies we need to develop – and quickly – against this coming sea change is reliable reach. Reliable reach is not a new concept; marketers have been talking about it with regard to marketing since SMS vendors first coined it in 2007. But it’s a concept that we still have not built marketing practices around, and we need to.

    What is reliable reach? It’s your ability to reach your audience and get their attention in a reliable and timely manner. Plenty of marketing channels have reach, but that reach isn’t reliable. For example, SEO lets you reach plenty of new customers today, but you have little control over it as a channel. You can’t guarantee or even come close to guaranteeing that a certain group of people will see your content.

    What about social media? Public social media lets you reach your fans, but thanks to AI-based algorithms, you are neither guaranteed reach to your followers, nor are you guaranteed it in a timely fashion. Take this example from my friend Justin Levy, who put up an announcement on LinkedIn:

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    I’m sure Justin would have liked for me to have seen his post sooner than four DAYS later.

    So what constitutes channels of reliable reach? Go to our definition – channels where we know our content can reach our audiences without interference from someone else’s AI. That rules out virtually all public social media. Second, channels that allow us to reach that audience in a timely manner. Again, any channel where there’s some kind of algorithm mediating the experience between us and our audience is not a reliable reach channel because we have no control over the timing.

    What channels would constitute reliable reach, then? Email, for one. You’re reading this email at roughly the intended time I meant to send it. Yes, for some folks, it’ll sit in your inbox for a few days, but at least it arrived when I wanted it to arrive. SMS or messaging apps are another great example of reliable reach. When you hit your SMS list, people get the message reliably and in a timely fashion.

    What else might constitute reliable reach? Depending on your audience, a private social media community that you own and operate would be a great example. When we want to reach our community about an announcement for Trust Insights, we ping everyone in the Analytics for Marketers Slack group, and all 3000+ members receive the notice immediately.

    Heck, even fax machines, for those few customers who still have them, constitutes reliable reach. Depending on the timing of your campaigns, even direct mail might, as long as the campaign was able to be planned out far enough in advance that you could get the mail drop arriving all at roughly the same time.

    Reliable reach, in other words, is disintermediated reach. There’s nothing between you and your audience – and those channels are going to be vital to our survival as marketers, as brands in the coming years. Without them, we will have no way of reaching our audiences, and we may not even be able to buy our way to the audience with advertising. Ask anyone who tried to advertise during a recent election just how much ad inventory they could even get, much less afford.

    If reliable reach isn’t the cornerstone of your marketing strategy this year, strongly consider making it a pillar, if not the pillar, of your strategy. You are building an insurance policy against ever more intermediated, AI-driven channels, and it may be the only insurance policy you have.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Future of SEO and ChatGPT Impact?

    You Ask, I Answer: Future of SEO and ChatGPT Impact?

    Chris (not me) asks, “What’s the future of SEO? Do people still hire SEO companies?” In this video, we explore this question and talk about the limited runway unbranded SEO has in the face of large language models like the GPT family (including ChatGPT) and what we marketers should be doing to prepare now for a future that’s probably only a couple years away.

    You Ask, I Answer: Future of SEO and ChatGPT Impact?

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    In today’s episode, Chris asks, “Do people still hire SEO firms?” The answer is yes, they do. There is still a need for companies to help other companies learn how search marketing works. However, there is a big question mark on the future of traditional SEO right now, and it has to do with large language models such as GPT-3 and others like GPT-2, Neo X 20.B, etc. Some are run by OpenAI, others by Hugging Face, and so on.

    The problem with these models is that they give responses that seem plausible, even if they are not always factually correct. There are companies working on improving the accuracy of these models, but they still don’t give out links or any call to action, like a regular search engine would.

    This is a problem for Google because it could imperil their core business of serving ads along search listings, which is the source of a significant amount of their revenue. This is also a problem for marketers because the text we publish on our blogs, for example, feeds these large language models but we don’t get credit for it, and so these models could take away a significant amount of our unbranded search traffic.

    In the future, searching for information could look like asking a chatbot, and the answers will come from these language models. With just one link displayed, the importance of being number one in search results will become even more crucial.

    So, as marketers, what can we do about this? We need to build our “insurance policy.” This policy comes in two parts:

    Build your brand – You must be known by name so that even the most sophisticated language model points people to your website. Build brand recognition to ensure that you benefit from these models.
    Build community – Get people into a place where you can reliably reach them, such as an email marketing list, text messaging list, Slack, Discord, Telegram, etc.
    These steps will help ensure that your marketing efforts are not wasted in the future of search.

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    Christopher Penn 0:00
    In today’s episode, Chris asks, Do people still hire SEO firms? Yes, they do.

    Absolutely they do.

    There is still a need for companies to help other companies learn how search marketing works.

    However, and this is the big however, there is a huge question mark on the future of traditional SEO right now.

    And that huge question mark has to do with large language models.

    The one that you’re most familiar with, of course, as whatever, we can’t stop talking about Jack GPT, which is based on the GPT-3 language model.

    But it’s not the only one.

    There’s many of these out this cheap T J six b GPT-2, Neo x 20.

    B, and so on and so forth.

    Some are run by OpenAI, some are not and some are by you look through AI Hugging Face, there’s there’s tons of these models that are available.

    Here’s why this is a big deal.

    Right now.

    When you use chat, GBT, or any large language model, you ask it a question.

    And it gives a response.

    It gives sometimes a factually incorrect response.

    But it gives a response that seems plausible.

    And there are plenty of companies that are working on factually correct versions of these tools.

    When you ask it, for example, things like what is a transformer? Or how many cups are in a gallon? Or things like that in a chat format and a conversational format? They’re not sending you anywhere, right? When was the last time you got a link to click on out of chat? GPT never.

    You’d never have gotten more.

    You’ve had maybe Google for something afterwards.

    But you’ve got no link from it.

    No, you might also be interested in or check this out.

    And so as these models take off, and as the style of interacting with knowledge continues to grow, that imperils SEO.

    That’s one of the reasons why Google is having a freakout about chat GPT-2 Because it imperils the very core of their business.

    Right.

    It imperils their ability to serve ads along search listings, which is at the heart of a good chunk of their business.

    Now, they do have other things display advertising, they have YouTube ads, Gmail, ads, etc.

    But the big money is in those search ads.

    And if search changes dramatically, they will have a hard time making up that revenue.

    Here’s why it matters for us as marketers.

    When you look at how a large language model is constructed, particularly for unbranded search shims, your informational searches.

    It’s not from any one source.

    So our text that we publish on our blogs and stuff feeds these large language models, but we don’t get credit for it.

    And as a result, for those large language models, they could take away a substantial amount of our unbranded search traffic, they will still be branded search traffic, right, someone who’s looking for Trust Insights will still search for Trust Insights.

    And a large language model is not to say, oh, you should go to trust insights.ai.

    A regular search engine will do that.

    But if a sort of a if someone is searching for reasons why AI models are good, or reasons why AI models are bad, those queries aren’t going to go nowhere.

    They are going to go nowhere, except in the chat bot itself.

    And so all of our informational content that we use to drive unbranded search volume is going to go away right now completely, but it will probably go away substantially.

    What will it look like? Kinda like what chat looks like? Now, think about when you ask your Google Home or home pod or Alexa device, or something where it will say, here’s the answer your question, Would you like more information? We’ll send you a link to in your thing, or you there’s a link displayed on your Alexa device or whatever? How many links are there? One, just one, which means if you’re not number one, you’re nothing right? If you are not number one, you are nothing.

    So SEO is going to dramatically change you will dramatically change as long as chat based interfaces to large language models continue to be popular.

    So what do we do about this as marketers? now was the time to building your insurance policy and your insurance policy comes in two parts Part Number one, your brand you must must build brand you must build brand.

    You must be known by name so that even asking the most sophisticated language while still points people towards your website, right? Hey, go check out trust insights.ai Go check out Chris Tres Pandoc calm to go check out marketing over coffee.com that is, number one, you got to build a brand and if you’re not building brand, you are in danger.

    Should you still be building unbranded content marketing, you know, informational marketing? Yes, but recognize that you at this point you’re just feeding large language models that will not benefit you build your brand instead.

    Number two, you must build community, right you must have an acquisition method that gets people to you in what is called reliable reach.

    That means your email marketing list your text messaging list, your slack, your discord, your telegram, whatever means you can to get people into a place where you can reliably reach them is going to be important because you can’t do it on public social media.

    You just can’t write algorithms like a Twitter and Facebook and LinkedIn, and Instagram and Tiktok.

    You cannot reliably reach people when you need to reach them.

    They’re they’re simply not accessible.

    You will get some of them when you publish your latest Tiktok or whatever.

    But it could be hours, days, maybe even weeks before enough of your audience sees a public social media posts no matter with private social media, you get the timeliness.

    So that’s important.

    With an email list, as long as your email service were working correctly, you will you will get that and you have to be prepared for your organic search to dramatically drop.

    So your assignment is this, go into Google Search causal.

    And look at your performance for branded and unbranded queries.

    You’ll have to do some, some regex selection in there.

    You want ideally 50% of your traffic to be branded search at least 50% to be branded search and this flies in the face of everything we’ve been saying about SEO for 1015 years, you know you need to unbranded search to bring in new audience.

    Once large language models takeover search, you are just feeding the models and you are getting nothing from it.

    You will be just feeding models that will run ads and take your money and you will have nothing to show for it.

    So I would focus on building brand.

    Now some of it Sure, unbranded content and explanatory content and things is important.

    But I would start peppering your unbranded content with your stuff.

    Write things that are uniquely you things that people can get nowhere else.

    It will read a little bit awkwardly, but can you imagine, if a if a large language model decides to vacuum up your content, it will strongly associate your names with that content.

    That’s how those models work.

    Otherwise, do what you can to build brand.

    So advertise for sure, show ads to relevant people create shareable, share worthy content, that stuff that people want to hand up, it has your name and your logo on it.

    Studies Research unique stuff.

    date it, I’m gonna say something that again is gonna piss off a lot of people gate your content.

    Why? Because ungated on ungated content, you’re just feeding large language models, you’re feeding GPT-3.

    And it’s undertake your content and your knowledge.

    And you will get nothing from them when you slap it behind the gate.

    Even if it’s just a gate like he’ll punch the monkey in the face, right? No, you’ll take it off to take people’s personal information.

    But just put up something that blocks these crawlers from getting your information from taking it and using it for themselves.

    Put some obstacle in their way, so that your knowledge is can benefit you first, right? But that’s how you’re going to prove your brand value and then build those communities.

    Build those communities, you’ve got to build private communities that you can rely on to reach otherwise, the large language models will invariably benefit those who can crank up the most content, those who can crank up the most content and sway those models a little bit will inevitably be those companies have the deepest pockets.

    You and me.

    I’m assuming you’re not a billionaire, maybe you are if you are, Hi, I’m not a billionaire.

    But you and me we are not the beneficiaries of most AI models, right? They are created on large volume and large volume correlate strongly with resources with money, etc.

    So that’s my long take on SEO and where things are going to take it for what it’s worth.

    If you disagree, cool.

    This is how I’m looking at it from my own marketing because I know how these models work.

    And I know that we are not the ones who are going to be benefiting unless we are the ones who are running the model.

    If you are an AI company and you can get market share, you will have a disproportionately larger, larger amount of market share as long as your company continues to do well, because people will rely more on more of those models.

    And pretty soon, there will be room for competitors who don’t have AI on their side, they’ll have models of their own that they’re deploying, you know, with customers and in customer interactions.

    It’s going to be a very interesting few years in marketing, but the writing is already on the wall that SEO is in a lot of trouble.

    And it’s not going to get better.

    So, hope that answers your question.

    Probably a little more than you were expecting.

    And I’ll talk to you soon take care.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: ChatGPT Responses and Language?

    You Ask, I Answer: ChatGPT Responses and Language?

    In this episode, I explore the impact of language on large language models like GPT-3. I explain the concept of ‘a word is known by the company it keeps’ and how using specific prompts can lead to the desired output. I encourage viewers to test different tones and language in their prompts and see the impact on the model’s responses. Join me as I delve into the power of language in this informative video. Hit the subscribe button now!

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    Christopher Penn 0:00
    In this episode Carol asks for chat GPT-3.

    If I am particularly friendly, effusive or polite in my prompts to it, will it respond similarly? Remember this expression.

    This expression was coined by oh gosh, I’m trying to remember the mathematician was from a long time ago, but the quote is, a word is known by the company it keeps word is known by company by the company it keeps on.

    What that means is that these large language models are essentially, really, really big matrices of word associations.

    The more that the words are available to make decisions, which is why your prompts need to be as detailed as possible, the more the model is going to align with those words.

    So if you’re using effusive or florid language in your prompts, guess what? That’s going to have word associations, and it will return data, Dana, that would be conversationally appropriate to those word associations.

    What I would encourage people to do is within the boundaries of professionalism and politeness and stuff like that.

    Do do test these things out, right, test out different kinds of language, a brusque tone, overly polite tone, very formal tone, and see how the model changes in its outputs.

    Because the word associations that are being put into it, so it is, knowing that those word associations, politeness, overly verbose language, you’re gonna get that back and turn just as you would talking to a real human being.

    Right? If somebody comes up to you says, Good afternoon, Madam.

    That automatically sets a context for the kind of person you’re dealing with, as opposed to somebody you know, going with the same kind of situation code to go yo, what’s up? Again, just that little bit of language tells you what kind of conversational context you’re about to have.

    The word is known by the company it keeps, right? So that’s the answer to that question.

    And he will respond in ways that are expected for those words.

    And the critical thing to remember is that with, with your prompts, if you’re not getting the expected outputs, it’s because there are not enough the words that are associated with the input to get what you want.

    A lot of people will write like a paragraph long prompt, my prompts when I work with these tools are sometimes like a page or two of text, right? Because I want very specific words, very specific instructions.

    There’s a concept called Waiting where you use the same direction or freeze several times in the prompt, so that that is given more weight.

    For example, if I’m telling you to write a bunch of tweets, I will say, several times in the instructions in the prompt, always use the full URL in the tweet, use the full URL of the tweet, write the full URL in between.

    And that in turn, gives weight to the added weight to those specific terms.

    If we understand large language models on their architecture, we know better how to work with them and how to get the results out of that that we want.

    And you don’t necessarily have to use the particularly friendly or effusive language with it, you can actually specify, respond in a casual tone responding to professional tone responding to cold tone, respond in a hyperbolic tone.

    I did a thing recently where I took the biography that my my partner Katie robear, has on the Trust Insights website.

    And I said, rewrite this as though Tony Robbins, we’re announcing you at a big event with a lot of Hyperbole and a lot of excitement and exciting language.

    And it did it did a very credible job of it.

    Maybe one day I’ll do a read through of its response and my best imitation to just show what that would look like but you can just tell it tone as well.

    So to be explicit, you should use this kind of tone in your responses.

    So that’s the answer to the question.

    The words you put in lead to the words you get out.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Does ChatGPT Learn?

    You Ask, I Answer: What Does ChatGPT Learn?

    I explain the concept of reinforcement learning and how it is used to optimize Chat GPT for dialogue. OpenAI, the company behind Chat GPT, logs all interactions with the model and uses them to improve the system. Discover the research value that our interactions with Chat GPT provide and how they help improve the model in this informative video.

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    In today’s episode, Carol asks, Does chat GPT learn from my prompts and the text I feed it? And does it feed that knowledge to others? What research value do they get from our interactions? So with any AI service, it’s always a good idea.

    Always a good idea to read the Terms of Service to read the frequently asked questions and any technical documentation is provided.

    OpenAI, which is the company that produces chat GPT-3 has a good amount of actual documentation and disclosures on its website about what the model is and how it works.

    So from bullet point two in their frequently asked questions, chat GPT is fine tuned from GPT-3 point five, a language model trained to produce text chat GPT was optimized for dialogue by using reinforcement learning with human feedback, a method that uses human demonstrations to guide the model towards the desired behavior.

    So what this means when you’re talking about reinforcement learning, Reinforcement learning is when you train a machine learning model to perform a task of some kind, Shad, score things, guests things, categorize things.

    And then you essentially take the uses of that model.

    And you know, thumbs up, thumbs down, whether it did his job, and you feed that back to the original dataset.

    And then you retrain the model, you basically haven’t rebuild itself.

    And you keep doing this over and over and over again.

    So that over time, as long as the responses are intelligible, and well curated, the model gets smarter, the model gets better at doing what it’s supposed to do.

    Now, chat GPT does absolutely log everything you type into it.

    In fact, when when you read Terms of Service term number six, will use my conversations for training.

    Yes, your conversations may be reviewed by our AI trainers to improve our systems.

    So everything you type into this system is being logged.

    In fact, there is a specific note in here in the terms of service like hey, don’t put confidential information in here because this is not this is not the place where that it is being logged.

    So is it learning from your prompts and the text feed it? Yes, it is the most overt way you can give feedback to OpenAI is that thumbs up thumbs down when you are using the service, you’ll see a little thumbs up thumbs down icons right next to its responses and you’re reading each response.

    Yes, is a good response notice was not a good response helps the model learn how to provide that at training feedback for them to retrain their software.

    That said, you can tell a lot about some of the responses by how much refinement there is, right.

    So even if you don’t use the thumbs up, thumbs down, if you say, write me a poem in the style of Edgar Allan Poe, but about the 2020 presidential election.

    And it does its thing, and then you keep asking for refinement after refinement after refinement.

    That’s a pretty good indicator that the model is not doing what you intended to do, because he didn’t nail it on the first shot or the second shot or the third shot and so forth.

    So even in cases where you’re not using that built in ratings feature, there are plenty of behavioral signals that would indicate Yeah, this this thing is not going right.

    I don’t know.

    So this is purely speculation on my part, but it would completely not surprise me if the, the outputs and then our inputs were basically being added to the training data set.

    Add in hold, right.

    So when you write a prompt and submit that, that goes into training data, right for the next iteration of the model.

    So I would absolutely assume that that knowledge, any knowledge that we’re creating with the software is being incorporated into that reinforcement learning system, the human feedback of some folks in the AI community, we’ll call it active learning where it’s it’s retraining itself on a regular and frequent basis.

    OpenAI seems to release a new version about every month or so.

    So my guess is they they collect data for a certain period of time, they then retrain the model, and they roll out the newly retrained model.

    And obviously, if it goes sideways, for some reason, they can just roll back to the previous fall.

    But that’s, that’s what I’m pretty sure is going on underneath the hood.

    So what research value are they getting from our interactions? They’re rebuilding the model, right? They’re improving the model.

    OpenAI makes these really large language models, the GPT-2 series of models, a generative, pre trained transformers, so they had GPT-2, then three now 3.5, later this year, they’re going to be releasing four, which will, despite all the hype line is just going to be more of the same right? It’ll be better what it does, because it’ll have more data.

    And critically it this is the part that I don’t think people understand about these, these models, critically.

    Our interactions with it To provide richer training data that they can get just by scraping the internet itself, because if you scrape like a Reddit forum thread, yeah, you have some context.

    But you don’t have that, that thumbs up thumbs down that behavioral data, as if, as opposed to when we work with a model directly and say, write me a poem about slicing cheese, but in the style of, I don’t know, somehow what I can tell by betraying my lack of studies in English class.

    In the bath, these are very clear payers of information, a prompt response prompt response.

    And that’s better quality training data for someone who’s building a large language model.

    So that’s what’s happening with the data we’re feeding into this.

    It is, we know for sure from what’s disclosed, it is being used to retrain the model, it would not be surprised, because it would not surprise me in the slightest if it was being used to train the next iteration of the big model GPT for right with all the conversations because this thing has taken off like like wildfire online.

    And so 1000s If not millions of people are freely giving it a lot of information.

    And that you as a researcher, as someone trying to build software, as someone tried to acquire high quality data, you couldn’t ask for a better, better way to do that, than to have a bunch of people eagerly running in to provide you with more training data.

    So that’s what’s happening, but expect no privacy.

    It’s in the terms of service, expect no privacy.

    If you’re putting in like, you know, you have this rare medical condition.

    I don’t know that I would put that into a system like this that is going to be reviewed in some part by the AI team that builds this.

    So good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: ChatGPT Feedback?

    You Ask, I Answer: ChatGPT Feedback?

    Unlock the potential of ChatGPT with this informative video on the key feedback mechanisms for improving its responses. Understand the difference between in-session feedback and the built-in rating system, and learn how to effectively use them to enhance your experience. Enhance your knowledge and improve your results with ChatGPT. Subscribe now to stay updated.

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    In this episode Carol asks, regarding chat GPT if I provide positive feedback after an answer, will the influence chat GPT-2 Next replies? Yes, but it depends on the kind of positive feedback we’re talking about.

    There’s two essential feedback mechanisms to chat GPT.

    One is you’ll notice next to each prompt, there’s a thumbs up thumbs down.

    That is the training data that we are asked to provide as users of the system as beta users to say this response was good or this response was not good.

    Doing that provides training data to OpenAI to essentially take those prompt response pairs, the ones that got thumbs up, when it basically was back into the training model and says, do more of this stuff.

    And it wasn’t got thumbs down, it goes into the back of the training while saying do less of this stuff.

    And so that feedback, it’s called reinforcement learning, helps AIS get smarter, essentially, get get more clever at what they do, by avoiding things that are that are not appropriate.

    That’s one of the reasons why fine tuning, which is a process where you retrain the AI a little bit or give some things additional weights is so important.

    That’s one aspect.

    The second aspect is if you’re talking about sort of just text interaction, that doesn’t amend the training dataset, not overtly, but what it does do is that it provides guidance for the model within that session to do less or more of something.

    And that data may may be used for reinforcement learning as well, if it’s clear enough that the feedback is about that prompt.

    But the the mechanism that for sure, we know impacts the reinforcement learning is the thumbs up thumbs down thing.

    When you’re working within a session within OpenAI within a specific conversation, providing positive feedback or corrective feedback will help more than anything, refine the results that you get, right.

    If you say to him, hey, good answer.

    It may say thank you and may do all these things and then say, Do you want to continue to want to do something more that that’s going to be sort of in session textual feedback, but it doesn’t change the model as much as the thumbs up thumbs down ratings.

    So if you want to influence chat GPT to overall provide a better experience use that the built in rating system if you want to see how it interacts with you within that session and the feedback that it gives you and the way the prompts and the outputs change.

    You can use in conversation feedback as well, but there’s been no indication that OpenAI overtly uses that training data as part of its reinforcement learning mechanisms.

    They may they may, we just don’t know that’s not disclosed in the documentation.

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    I’ll be talking about this in more depth on the Trust Insights livestream this coming Thursday, but I want to give you (and my Save Warrior Nun friends) some insight about how to think about deconstructing an algorithm and turning that insight into action.

    What’s this all about? There are a lot of signals and measures that the entertainment industry uses to determine what’s worth paying attention to, and one of those metrics is our friends at Parrot Analytics. The sign of a good analytics company is one that discloses how it measures things, and Parrot Analytics has published detailed documentation – and math – on how their Demand Expressions metric works in their DEMAND360 platform. I applaud them for what they’ve published.

    Why do the Save Warrior Nun folks care about their Demand Expressions metric? For a show like Warrior Nun, as part of the campaign to save the show, it needs to still show strong demand among its audience. So the organizers asked the logical question – how do metrics like Parrot Analytics’ Demand Expressions work, and what can we do to improve our standing?

    Let’s take a look at what that formula looks like, because it’s instructional for how we need to deconstruct an algorithm to fulfill our purpose, improving our standing with that algorithm. This is what’s published on their website, and trigger warning for math and a lot of it.

    Parrot Analytics Demand Expression

    Hello calculus, my old friend. What does this show? Fundamentally, this is a summation formula. Let’s take it apart. First, we have P, the population of a market. In this case, markets are geographic, like the USA or France or Brazil.

    Second, we have a weighting, the w variable. This weighting is explained as the types of actions an audience can take around content, from passive impressions at the lowest level of demand (it’s super easy to passively consume content) all the way to creative participation, which is the highest indicator of demand because it’s tough to motivate people to MAKE stuff in support of their favorite content.

    Third, we have a metric, a numeric value of the expression. This would be things like 200 YouTube views or 1 piece of content created or 500 retweets.

    Finally, we have a summation function that summarizes and aggregates each platform’s weighting and numeric value. Mathematically, you’re taking the population times the summation of the weighted activities of that population in every market.

    With me so far? We deconstruct their formula, their algorithm, into its components. Now, our next step is to look at each of those expressions, which they detail in a separate chart:

    Demand expressions chart

    We see they have four buckets of expression types – social media, public video platforms (they call them social video), research, and free streaming (which is polite for piracy). Those are the kinds of platforms they monitor, and they monitor for 9 different kinds of engagement, from highest demand (aka the most effort on the part of the audience) to lowest demand (least effort):

    1. Creative participation – aka making stuff
    2. Active consumption – going out and getting the content
    3. Deep research – actively leaving ratings and reviews
    4. Social encouragement – if I had to guess, things like mentions, reshares, reblog, quote tweets, etc.
    5. Public posting – putting up basic, simple content like a Tumblr post or a tweet
    6. Expressing an opinion – lower effort things like voting or leaving comments
    7. Subscribing to updates – I’d wager this is followers on all the different platforms
    8. Indicating interest – probably mentions of a given media property
    9. Passive impressions – I’d guess just raw exposure/reach numbers

    Parrot Analytics hasn’t given specific details about which bucket contains which activities, but if you’ve been doing digital marketing for a while, it’s not hard to figure out what should go where.

    Now, I would guess on the back end, they probably do some weighted averages, centering, and scaling to normalize the inputs, and then they run their formula. I’d bet there’s at least a bit of regression analysis going on behind the scenes to assign what exactly the weights are in their DemandRank. It’s almost certainly not linear, meaning something at the bottom of the chart is 1 point versus something at the top of the chart is 9 points. It’s probably not exponential, either, and I’d guess it’s determined by something like gradient boosting, where the values can fluctuate over time based on the input channels. After all, with recent management changes at certain social networks, you’d want to have dynamic re-weighting baked into your algorithm.

    Here’s the thing. We don’t know what’s inside the black box, but we don’t have to know it. What we need to know are the inputs and their weights, and we more or less have that.

    Compare that to something like SEO. Every digital marketer who’s been around for a while knows that Google’s algorithms are exceptionally opaque. We do know network graphing is a part of it and has been since the very beginning. We have a sense of how crawling and indexing work. We know there are some manual weights, and we have the Search Quality Rating Guidelines to provide oblique hints at their data – but we fundamentally don’t know the inputs and certainly don’t know the weights, so we can’t make actionable decisions.

    The last question is, what are the specific inputs in Parrot’s formula? While they don’t disclose it in the technical guide, it is helpfully right on the front page of their website.

    • Social media: Instagram, Facebook, Tumblr, and Twitter
    • Free streaming: Popcorn Time, Kodi, BitTorrent, and The Pirate Bay
    • Social video: Facebook Video, YouTube, DailyMotion, Vimeo
    • Research: IMDb, Google, Rotten Tomatoes, Wikipedia

    Great. So now we understand the weights, we understand the actions available to us on the channels, and we understand the channels. How do we transform this into action? We have to know what resources are available to us.

    Catch up on this past week’s Trust Insights livestream on mobilizing a community, if you haven’t had the chance. One of the topics we talked about was how a community behind your efforts makes your marketing much, much easier. In the case of the Save Warrior Nun community, this is a community in the tens of thousands strong. However, compare that to a community like fans of Stranger Things or Game of Thrones whose fanbases are in the millions.

    In this case, your fanbase is your major resource limitation. So now we look at the list of demand expressions and ask ourselves, given the comparatively small fan base, what should we pursue?

    Look again at the math formula. Population times the summation of weighted expressions times metrics. If you have a super large community, you can clock millions of low weight expressions pretty easily. When Game of Thrones releases a new episode, it’s low effort to get a million people to tweet about it. But suppose instead of 50 million fans, you have 50 thousand fans?

    That’s where the weighting comes in and why understanding the math is so important. If you have a smaller fanbase that’s hardcore and dedicated, you can and should pursue higher weighted items because the extra weighting from the difficulty offsets your small numbers. Suppose you’ve got 50 million Game of Thrones fans, but most of them are couch potatoes. How many are going to engage in creative participation, making fan edits, music videos, etc.? Comparatively few in a very large population, maybe one one hundredth of a percent. Now suppose you have a smaller, dedicated fan base like the Warrior Nun folks. Could you get the same NUMBER of people, say, 500, to make videos? If the fanbase is 100 times more dedicated, then the answer is yes – and thus you can make a bigger splash because of the math behind the algorithm. You can take a hardy band of adventurers and with the math on your side overcome a massive army of couch potatoes.

    So what, in this case, should we do now that we know the algorithm, we know the math, we know the weightings? This is where we have to get smart with content repurposing. Suppose a fan creates a single video, a music video montage of their favorite scenes. For that fan to post it on Twitter is easy – but how much additional work is it to also post it to Facebook Video, YouTube, DailyMotion, and Vimeo? Comparatively easy. The hard part is done.

    Suppose we have an audio recording of a fan meetup. What would it take to re-imagine that content? Very little – this is the Trust Insights Transmedia Content Marketing Framework at work. We take that audio, put it through a piece of software like Headliner, and now we have video. That video gets posted, and now we’re satisfying the creative participation part of the algorithm with content we’ve already created.

    Suppose we have some fanfiction written by a fan. We take that text, have it read aloud by someone, and feed that through Headliner. Now we have audio, possibly for a podcast, video for the social video sites, and a transcript for blogs that can be read by Google.

    This is how we as marketers can dramatically multiply our impact, simply by reimagining content in a variety of formats and being more places at once. We don’t have to create net new content everywhere. We just have to satisfy the weighted inputs of algorithms and provide them what they’re looking for – so as long as we obtain that information, we can transform an algorithm into action.

    In our upcoming livestream, we’ll be talking about Twitter and LinkedIn’s algorithms, but this advice applies to any algorithm that you can find info about – and hence my repeated kudos to Parrot Analytics for being bold enough to post theirs online so we know how to optimize our marketing efforts.

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  • Mind Readings: Momentum

    Mind Readings: Momentum

    In this episode, learn how to leverage momentum in marketing to hold the attention of your audience. Discover how to ladder up on attention and leverage it to reach a larger audience. But, be aware of the short news cycles and the concept of disposable content. Discover the importance of having a repeatable and reliable reach audience through email marketing, text messaging and community building tools like Discord and Slack. Don’t miss this valuable insight on how to capture and hold on to your audience’s attention.

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    Christopher Penn 0:00

    In this episode, please note I’m parked for safety reasons.

    Let’s talk about momentum.

    So momentum is one of those things when it comes to marketing, that is very, very difficult to obtain.

    And it’s extremely difficult to keep.

    When we talk about momentum, we’re talking about the ability for us to garner attention and hold attention hold the attention of people.

    So one of the things that I learned in public relations when I was working in that industry was that when you get any kind of attention, you have to ladder up on it, leverage it in some ways.

    So if you get a placement in a relatively small publication, maybe somebody’s blogs on his podcast, you then use that to pitch to the next tier of coverage, maybe it’s a trade publication or industry publication.

    And then as you get more and more attention to that you can lever up to a reasonable publication, maybe you national publications or international publications, it’s very difficult to do that.

    Because the story has to be one that is newsworthy enough that it will be worth providing to these publications.

    And at least in the context of PR, an awful lot of public relations is paid, not the PR people.

    But the journalists, the publications themselves are paid on things like page views and views and watches, because they’re all ad driven businesses.

    So your story, your pitch, your idea has to be something that’s going to generate traffic that will pay the bills.

    When something takes off, when you get a lot of eyeballs on something, you will get more and more coverage because everybody wants a piece of that pie.

    Everybody wants the idea in their publications so that they can get traffic as well.

    They can earn traffic, particularly from new sources, like if you are writing about sales, marketing automation, normally add a new thing on chat GPT comes out.

    Well, of course, you want that in your publication to attract audiences that are interested in chat GPT, but not necessarily marketing automation, you try and leverage that.

    Here’s the challenge.

    news cycles are very, very short and getting shorter as we get to more and more disposable content.

    This is something I heard autumn industry podcast.

    One content creator was saying yeah, Tiktok really introduced the concept of disposable content, you watch the video, you like it, you chat about it for like two seconds, and it’s gone and gone to the next thing.

    And we’ve known that’s been the case in marketing for a really long time.

    But it’s more prevalent now.

    So something that captures people’s imagination, and holds it for any amount of time people want in on it because it’s like leaping from story to story trying to catch attention as as you can go a bad video game character.

    The challenge is, if you’re more than just a flash in the pan, you’ve got to do something with that momentum and try to hold on to as much of it as you can.

    This is where the concept of the repeatable, reliable reach audience comes in.

    This is why things like email marketing and text messaging marketing are so important.

    Discord community slack can be any place where you can capture an audience and so that you have reliable reach is something you desperately need to do as soon as possible.

    The moment you start getting attention, you roll out an email newsletter, you roll out a discord community roll out something where people can sign up and be a part of that community.

    And you could hold their attention for just a little bit longer.

    Especially once the initial news story dies down.

    however big the story is, you’ve got to capture that audience.

    Because in public media, public social media, public mainstream media, it’s like squirrels on meth, right? This a new story pops up a new Tiktok video pops up and boom, you’re off the front page, you’re gone.

    And no one remembers you.

    If you have captured that audience when it’s coming in, then you can reach them again.

    Right? You could say hey, here’s something new, isn’t it? It’s have more value if you liked the initial story, here’s an add on.

    Here’s a new benefit.

    One of the biggest flaws I have seen in public relations is people expecting that an audience is loyal on a single piece of attention.

    Right? An audience is interested in a single piece of potential single news story, a single social media trend.

    They’re interested about loyal.

    They only become loyal once you provide them benefit over and over again.

    And like like in television, and books and other forms of entertainment.

    It’s very difficult to one up yourself, right? You do this thing and again, it gets great coverage so you do something even more outlandish and even more outlandish and at some point It, you know, either you can’t do that anymore or you implode or explode sometimes very spectacularly, you know, you see in music and in movies and stuff that television seasons, like if you I watched the watched CW is the flash and that series just getting more and more outlandish.

    They they, they use up a lot of their best ideas early on to capture that audience.

    And then we’re like, oh, we don’t have any really interesting compelling stories to tell.

    World of Warcraft, same thing.

    The second expansion, the Wrath of the Lich King is widely regarded as the best expansion because it was the apex villain and every expansion, since it has been kind of like, I’m like all these weird, crazy storylines, trying to come up with bigger and bigger bad guys.

    And at some point you run out, right? At some point, you have to restart and and and figure out where to go.

    So the solution is for momentum is the reliable reach audience and capturing it early on.

    Because if there’s benefit that you’re providing in the form of a newsletter in the form of a text messaging, updating in the form of weekly or monthly chats in discord, or contests or giveaways, you can keep that audience’s attention and eventually create loyalty because they continue to get good value from you all the time.

    It doesn’t have to be a smash hit, right? Every newsletter issue you publish every post you put in the announcements channel in discord.

    They’re not all gonna be hits.

    But they all have to be valuable enough that people say, Yeah, I’ll stick around another week, and you are constantly re earning people’s loyalty.

    If you don’t have that capture mechanism in place, then the moment that this your story is out of the news, you’re done.

    Right? It’s it’s game over at that point.

    There is not much you can do except find a way to make news again and repeat that process.

    They are the laddering up very, very slowly.

    So if you want to make use of the attention when you get it have a capture mechanism in place before you start, before you start.

    My friend, Laura Gassner Otting calls is wonderful planning for wild success, overwhelming success.

    And it’s a great way to think about it.

    What does it look like? If you succeed beyond your expectations? Do you have mechanisms in place that will scale to let you capture your success while you have it because everything is transient, everything is fleeting.

    And once it’s gone, it’s very difficult to get it back.

    Think about this.

    Apple computers had basically like four hit products in 30 years, right? The Apple two, the Macintosh, the iPhone, and the iPad to a lesser degree.

    And yes, they’ve got Rebs and versions of these products and stuff.

    But when you watch their product announcements and things, they are not all news or anything, a lot of them are just refinements.

    Oh yeah, the Apple Watch, which arguably is is pretty good success story.

    So five products in 30 years, right? Five big hits in 30 years.

    If a trillion dollar company can manage that.

    What does that mean for us, the people who are not working at trillion dollar companies.

    It means that whenever we get any scrap of attention, we’ve got to be ready to take it.

    Take it on and and it’s a terrible word but harvested as much as we can.

    Anyway, thanks for tuning in.

    Talk to you next time.

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  • Mind Readings: Adobe Podcast Mic Test

    Mind Readings: Adobe Podcast Mic Test

    In today’s episode, we’re diving into the world of podcasting and experimenting with Adobe podcast. We’re testing a variety of different microphones in moderate background noise to see which one produces the best sound. From Bose QC AirPods to Apple AirPods, and even a David Clark helicopter headset, we’re putting it all to the test. Learn about the importance of recording with the best equipment possible and how Adobe podcast’s enhanced setting uses AI to reconstruct your voice and eliminate background noise. Tune in to see which microphone comes out on top and get valuable insights on podcasting.

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    In today’s episode, we’re continuing our experimentation with Adobe podcast specifically going to be testing it with a variety of different microphones.

    Last time, we tested it just with the onboard audio in a variety of noisy situations.

    And today, we’re going to test moderate background noise, there’s a fan going.

    So there’s a little bit of fan noise.

    And we’re going to test it against a whole bunch of microphones, we’re going to have microphones like the Bose QC AirPods, the Apple AirPods, version one and two, the original Bose headphones, the we’re going to test out these aero packs open comm they have little boom mic, we have the David Clark helicopter headset, which sounds like normally sounds like a instead of a tin can, and the anchor q 45.

    Now what we’re going to do is we’re going to record a few sentences connecting each of these devices to the phone and recording some video and the associated audio that goes with it.

    Generally speaking, generally speaking, you want to record at the best equipment possible.

    That’s why I’m recording this introduction with the Shure SMS seven be great sound in means less work for the algorithm to do for the reconstruction of your audio.

    And that’s a really important point, when you listen to the output that Adobe podcast puts out from its enhanced settings.

    It’s not cleaning up the noise, it is reconstructing your voice based on the input.

    So here’s that’s how it can get rid of background noise that would otherwise be interfering with your voice.

    If you do traditional audio editing.

    In something like Adobe Audition, yeah, you can do noise reduction, noise gates, compressors and all those things.

    But you’re still going to have that background noise, particularly at frequencies where the human voice also operates.

    The way I think and I don’t have confirmation because I’ve not talked to anyone at Adobe about this.

    But the way I think it’s working is it’s understanding what is your voice, basically using that against a pre trained neural network model, some kind of artificial intelligence to reconstruct your voice from scratch.

    And that’s why there are glitches here and there.

    And that’s also why I fed it.

    So audio from a trade show very loud background, but a lot of other human voices, and the algorithm just imploded, right? It was not able to, to construct anything useful, whereas traditional noise reduction techniques might have been able to salvage at least something.

    Either way, that background noise with all those other human voices really threw it for a loop.

    So I’m guessing that that’s how that worked.

    So let’s go ahead and do these tests.

    We’re going to record some video with each of these and then come back to see which one sounds the best.

    Test number one straight audio right off the iPhone using the built in microphone.

    I’m going about a foot away from the mic here talking normally, we’re going to see what Adobe podcast does reconstructing this to sound as close to studio quality as possible.

    Test number one stream audio right off the iPhone using the built in microphone.

    I’m about a foot away from the mic here talking normally, we’re gonna see what Adobe podcast does for reconstructing this to sound as close to studio quality as possible.

    Okay, we’ve got the first generation

    Christopher Penn 3:11

    Apple AirPods pros, and this is generation one.

    Again, I’m still the same distance all of it doesn’t matter.

    These are using the onboard microphones and the AirPods.

    Want to see how they sound then we’re going to put it through a Dolby podcast to see what it can clean up.

    Okay, we’ve

    Christopher Penn 3:26

    got the first generation Apple AirPods.

    Pros, this is generation one.

    Again, I’m still the same distance Oh, it doesn’t matter.

    These are using the onboard microphones and the AirPods want to see how they sound then we’re going to put it through Adobe podcast to see what it can clean up.

    Okay, we’ve

    Christopher Penn 3:42

    got the Apple AirPods revision two.

    So this is the second generation AirPods they all already we already know that they have a better microphone setup thanks to the h2 Processors and Things on board.

    But let’s see now again still another great environment.

    Let’s see how this sounds after Adobe podcast cleans it up.

    Okay, we’ve

    Christopher Penn 3:59

    got the Apple AirPods revision two so this is the second generation AirPods they all already we already know that they have a better microphone so thanks to the h2 processors and things like that.

    But let’s see now again still above a great environment.

    We’re gonna see how this sound after Adobe podcast cleans it up.

    Christopher Penn 4:17

    Okay, we’ve got the first generation Bose QC earbuds This is the gen one these are actually my favorites because they’re the cases wirelessly charges I don’t know why the case doesn’t on version two.

    And to me at least the ear buds feel like they feel better but whatever.

    Anyway, we want to see how the microphone sounds on these and then see how it sounds we wash it through Adobe podcast is the Bose QC your buds gen one.

    Christopher Penn 4:41

    Okay, we’ve got the first generation Bose QC earbuds the gen one these are actually my favorites because they’re the case is wirelessly charges.

    I don’t know whether a staff member to and to me at least the earbuds feel like they feel better but you know, whatever.

    Anyway, we want to see how the microphone On sound zombies and then see how it sounds.

    We wash it through Adobe podcast.

    So this is the Bose QC Yurbuds gen one.

    Okay, we have the Bose QC earbuds Gen twos is the second generation product supposedly has better microphones and all that jazz you know the usual marketing stuff so we’re gonna see again how this sounds, you know moderately noisy environment and then how Adobe podcast cleans it up.

    So Bose QC earbuds generation two, okay, we have the Bose QC earbuds gen two so this is the second generation product supposedly has better microphones and all that jazz, you know, the usual marketing steps we’re gonna see again, how this sounds, you know, moderately noisy environment and then how Adobe podcast cleans it up.

    So Bose QC earbuds generation two, this is the David Clark H 30.

    I think the BT 30 is I don’t remember what model number it is.

    But these are the passive noise cancelling headphones if you they look familiar, it’s because these are basically headphones meant for airplanes and helicopters.

    They just made a Bluetooth version for headphone nerds like me, I guess so that we could wear something it looks like we belong in a helicopter.

    But yeah, at our desks.

    It is fantastic for flying.

    Obviously, if you want noise cancelling that works all the time.

    These are the ones you get downside, they’re super heavy, and they’re really big and cumbersome, but they have good battery life.

    Anyway, the point is to test the microphone, the boom mic on this, which probably sounds like you would helicopter would and then put that through Adobe podcast.

    So these are the David Clark, BT 30 Something brothers.

    This is the David Clark 830 I think it’s the the BT 30 I don’t remember what model number it is.

    But these are the passive noise cancelling headphones.

    If you look familiar, it’s because these are basically headphones meant for airplanes and helicopters.

    They just made a Bluetooth version for headphone nerds like me, I guess so that we can wear something it looks like we belong in a helicopter.

    But yeah, at our desks.

    It is fantastic for flying.

    Obviously, if you want noise cancelling that works all the time.

    These the ones who get downside, they’re super heavy, and they’re really big and cumbersome, but they have good battery life.

    Anyway, the point is to test the microphone, the boom mic on this, which probably sounds like you would a helicopter would and then put that through Adobe podcast.

    So these are the David Clark, BT 30 Something brothers.

    Okay, this is the aftershocks open calm.

    So this is a Bluetooth bone conductance headphone that leaves your ears open.

    So you can hear your surroundings and actually transmits most of the sounds through your your phones.

    It’s got the boom mic on it.

    And that’s what we’re testing today.

    These, by the way are what I wear for when I’m running outside because you can actually hear the traffic around you and not get hit by a car.

    But the microphone we care about today.

    So let’s see how this sounds.

    And then what it sounds like after we put it through Adobe podcast.

    Okay, this is the aftershocks open calm.

    So this is a Bluetooth bone conductance headphone that leaves your ears open.

    So you can hear your surroundings and track your transmits most of the sound through your your bones.

    It’s got the boom mic on it.

    And that’s what we’re testing today.

    These, by the way are what I wear for when I’m running outside because you can actually hear the traffic around you and not get hit by a car.

    But the microphone we care about today.

    So let’s see how that sounds.

    And then what it sounds like after we put it through Adobe podcast.

    Christopher Penn 8:13

    Okay, these are the anchor sound core sound space Do you forgive I don’t even remember the name of the product.

    Because these are the budget noise cancelling headphones are actually really good.

    They’re actually better than the older generation of the Bose ones.

    But again, today we’re testing up a microphone to see how the microphone sounds on these.

    And then we’re going to put it through Adobe podcast to see if Adobe podcast can clean up whatever the sound is.

    I’ve actually never tested these, the microphone on these.

    So I’m curious to sound here it sounds like so this is the anchor sound something or other q 45.

    Okay, these

    Christopher Penn 8:44

    are the anchor sound core sound space.

    Usually, if I don’t remember the name of the product, this, these are the budget noise cancelling headphones are actually really good.

    They’re actually better than the older generation of the Bose ones.

    But again, today we’re testing up a microphone to see how the microphone sounds on these.

    And then we’re going to put it through Adobe podcast to see if Adobe podcast can clean up whatever the sound is.

    I’ve actually never tested these the microphone on me.

    So I’m curious to hear what sounds like so this is the anchor sound something rather cute 45 All right, that was a lot.

    So we can draw a couple of conclusions from this one.

    I clearly have a problem.

    At least when it comes to headphones.

    They are one of my one of my devices.

    One of my addictions along with keyboards, too.

    As with everything, the better the quality going in the better quality coming out.

    We heard on some of the headsets like the David Clarke and the aftershocks.

    The audio quality going into Adobe podcast was atrocious.

    Right.

    So of course it came back it did the best it could and it did better than probably you’d be able to do manually.

    But it wasn’t.

    It wasn’t the level of quality you would expect from something was truly recorded in a studio.

    The Bose headphones the first generation QC stood Okay the second generation will not so much because again, for some strange reason that product got worse in a second generation than its first, the anchor headphones reasonably well, right though that microphone is pretty capable, the AirPods.

    Version one was good to version two was better.

    Here’s the funny thing, though, of all of the microphones that produced a good outcome, a good output from Adobe podcast, the one on the phone did surprisingly well, it did surprisingly, well, somewhat show them like, Huh, that’s interesting that that would have those different capabilities.

    So I think what we can draw, in terms of conclusions are a couple things.

    Number one, if you have to record on the go, maybe you’re at a conference or a trade show, or you’re traveling or whatnot, and you want to get some ideas down, use the best mic available to you, right? For this test, that was the BS, the the Apple AirPods Pro, version two, followed by the phone itself, the phone itself, and that’s really important.

    The reason that’s really important is that as long as the background doesn’t contain human other human voice is in any significant volume.

    If you’re just out and about and you want to jot something down, just turn on your phone, hit record, and then you know that later on, you can clean it up in in post processing.

    And that’s, that’s critical.

    Because we all want to sound our best, right? We all want to look our best, we all want to sound our best.

    But if we don’t have to lug a whole bunch of extra gear with us, there’s some value in that, right there is some value in being able to just have your phone with you, knowing that you can clean it up later.

    Now this is a high stakes production where you know, it’s a feature film or something Yes, of course, you want the best gear, you’re not going to skimp you’re going to get a shotgun mic or your boom mic or your your concealed lavalier mic, whatever the case may be, because you want the best quality audio.

    But if it’s not mission critical, if it’s day in a life, if it is a video blog, like this, your phone and have as quiet an environment as you can make it within reason is good enough, right.

    So when I travel, for example, and I go on the road, I don’t have to lug all this gear with me now if I want to record something in my hotel room, and have it sound good because I can just use the microphone right on my phone.

    And it will still sound great, right as long as there’s not like you know, mariachi band outside the door, if there is other things going on, but that’s freeing, that is freeing to know that as long as I’ve got my phone with me at a quiet place, I can continue to make good quality content with great quality audio with nothing more than the phone itself.

    So I would encourage you to do this with your own gear because I’ve got a specific phone model and all this stuff but do with all your own gear, test this out with your own stuff and see which combinations of the gear you only deliver the best sound without having the full studio setup using a tool like Adobe podcast.

    You might be surprised.

    You might be delighted and then you might find out Yeah, I don’t need to haul around tons and tons of gear just to sound my best.

    Thanks for tuning in.

    We’ll talk to you soon.

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