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  • Mind Readings: AI Bill of Rights, Part 4: Notice and Explanation

    Mind Readings: AI Bill of Rights, Part 4: Notice and Explanation

    The AI Bill of Rights published by the United States White House proposes that people should have the right to know if an automated system is being used and to understand how and why it contributes to outcomes that impact them. Designers, developers, and deployers of automated systems should provide generally accessible plain language documentation, including clear descriptions of the overall system functioning, and the role automation plays.

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    Welcome to part four of our examination of the AI Bill of Rights published by the United States White House, as proposed regulations for essentially the use of AI, and the rights that people should have when it comes to the use of AI.

    It today we’re going to talk about notice an explanation.

    So let’s dig into this one.

    You should know that an automated system is being used and understand how and why it contributes to outcomes that impact you, designers, developers, and deploys of automated systems should provide generally accessible plain language documentation, including clear descriptions of the overall system functioning, and the role automation plays.

    Notice that such systems are in use the individual or the organization responsible for the system, and explanations of outcomes that are clear, timely and accessible.

    All right, so this one is pretty straightforward, right? If a system is being used, that’s automated, you should know how it’s how it works, right? You should know what’s in the box.

    And you should be able to say let’s let’s perhaps not use this if it’s not working right or at the very least be able to explain the outcomes.

    Let’s look at a couple of the examples that they give in the paper number one lawyer representing an older client with disabilities who had been cut off a medicated fund to home health care systems couldn’t determine why, especially since the decision went against historical access practices.

    In a court hearing, the lawyer learned from a witness that the state in which the older client lived had recently adopted a new algorithm to determine eligibility.

    The lack of a timely explanation made it harder to understand and contest the decision.

    A formal child welfare investigation is opened against a parent based on an algorithm and without the parent ever being notified that data was being collected and used as part of an algorithmic child maltreatment risk assessment.

    The lack of a notice or an explanation makes it harder for those performing children maltreatment assessments to validate the risk assessment and denies parents knowledge that could help them contested decision.

    Number three, a predictive policing system claims to identify individuals at the greatest risk to commit or become the victim of gun violence based on an automated analysis of social ties to gang members, criminal histories, previous experiences of gun violence and other factors, and led to individuals being placed on a watch list with no explanation or public transparency regarding how the system came to its conclusions.

    Both police and the public deserves to understand why and how such a system is making these determinations.

    A system awarding benefits changed, it’s great to invisibly individuals were denied benefits due to data entry errors and other system flaws.

    These flaws were only revealed when an explanation of the system was demanded and produced, the lack of an explanation made it harder for errors to be corrected in a timely manner.

    So this is about black boxes, right? As we use more and more sophisticated decision systems as we use more and more sophisticated AI like deep neural networks, there’s more and more that we don’t understand about what’s going on inside of the machine.

    And this is part of the reason why there’s a major push towards interpretability and explainability.

    In the context of AI interpretability means you have the ability to look at the code that is at use and diagnose it line by line, here’s what this line of code does, here’s what this line of code does, and so on and so forth.

    explainability is looking at the outcome and being able to explain the outcome, here’s how the machine arrived at these conclusions.

    The challenge that people are running into right now, and that tech companies in particular are very resistant to to go the interpretability route is that interpretability is dramatically more expensive for companies to do.

    Because deep learning systems, you can audit them, you know, layer by layer, but it’s computationally very, very expensive to do so.

    So you have a lot of big tech companies saying no, no explainability is all you need.

    Which is not true.

    Because, again, these deep neural networks are basically, if you don’t build interpretability, and they just big black boxes, and you don’t know how the system is making its decisions, all you know, is whether the decisions make sense or not.

    The classic example of this is that researchers trained in image recognition algorithm to differentiate a wolf from a dog right and they fed it hundreds of photos of wolves and dogs and the system performed really well in in theory, and then they started feeding it real life stuff, and it failed all over the place.

    And when someone went back and built interpretability into the system, like there was no way to explain the outcome.

    But when they built interpretability into the system at again, considerable performance penalty.

    It turns out the system was not looking for dogs or wolves or ears or jaw shape or stuff.

    It was looking for snow, if there was snow in the photo was a wolf, at least in the training dataset.

    And so the decision system behind the scenes was making decisions based on a non relevant factor.

    That’s fine.

    You know, obviously if you’re building an image recognition system for wolves, that’s not so fine if you’re building systems that impact people’s lives.

    So, even within marketing, right, who you market to has an impact.

    I was talking to an insurance company a number of years ago.

    And they were building a system to identify ideal customers, their ideal customers to them were people of certain affluent means.

    And the ugly reality in the United States of America is that money tends to also have a very high correlation with race.

    And as a result, the system they built, even though theoretically, it was not discriminating on race in practice, it absolutely was.

    And so they effectively invented redlining.

    Another company, I saw in at one of the MAR tech shows build a predictive algorithm for ideal best customers for Dunkin Donuts.

    I don’t know if Dunkin was actually a client of theirs.

    They were just using it as a demo.

    But they showed us this map of the city of Boston said, here’s all the red dots.

    Those are the areas we’re your ideal customers aren’t.

    Here’s the black dots where there aren’t ideal customers.

    And I looked at this map.

    And I said, You invented redlining again, and like what’s that, like, for God’s sakes? They were essentially using I believe was income spending patterns.

    But it also perfectly replicated the demographics of Boston.

    Areas like Mattapan, Roxbury, Dorchester had no ideal customers, right because they’re predominantly black areas of the city.

    They are also lower income areas of the city, but they’re predominantly black areas of the city.

    Places like Cambridge Somerville, Boston, the financial district, all ideal customers.

    Now, if you know anything about Dunkin Donuts, coffee, the only people in Boston who don’t drink Dunkin Donuts are dead.

    Everybody else, regardless of race, ethnicity, any any protected class, everybody ascertain six significant portion of the population for every demographic drinks Dunkin Donuts, right.

    So their algorithm was flat out wrong, it was it was discriminatory and wrong.

    And there was no explanation of how it worked.

    And that’s what this principle of of AI Bill of Rights is really all about.

    It is about.

    Can you explain how your system is making decisions? Think about this go into your marketing automation system, right? Or your CRM as a marketer? Do you know how the lead scoring system works? Can you explain it, you explain to somebody yes, you have a lead score of this, you were selected for this, you receive this email.

    Because of this.

    I have had even in my own stuff just for my personal newsletter, I’ve had to go digging around in my own system to figure out why somebody was getting an email from me when they said they didn’t want it.

    And I dug into it.

    And there actually been some alarming cases of bots submitting other people’s data, I was looking at this one person who’s based in Amsterdam, and there was there was what looks like bot traffic from a server farm somewhere in the USA here that submitted their information at a time that they wouldn’t have been online, subscribing to my newsletter.

    And I can’t go back and hunt down exactly where that went.

    But I have at least the IP logs to trace down.

    But if I hadn’t been able to explain, I fail to dig into my system, I could have been held liable for a violation of of an international law.

    That’s the thing is that for us as marketers, we’ve got to understand us systems, we got to know what systems are, what they’re doing, what decisions they’re making, you know, how does somebody have a lead or B lead in our system, right? Because you don’t want to discriminate if you are adhering to in the United States, title nine laws.

    And your system is saying someone’s a better lead than someone else because of a protected class factor, like what gender they are, you’re breaking the wall.

    Right? And that’s that’s going to get you in a whole bunch of trouble.

    So you’ve got to know what’s going on in your systems be able to explain it, defend it, and then if there’s a problem, deal with it, deal with it.

    So this is a very good principle and requiring explainability requiring interpretability of AI systems is essential.

    And again, big vendors are going to resist this like crazy because it is expensive to do.

    But the first lawsuit they lose you know for a billion dollars might convince them otherwise so that there may be some change on that front, but to protect yourself.

    Know how your systems work.

    Know how your vendor systems work, require transparency from them require technical details from them if they’re unwilling to provide those details.

    You may have to change vendors, your legal department and your finance department certainly will advise you change vendors if it is creating substantial risk to your company so be aware of those risks as well in the in the final section of the AI Bill of Rights we’re going to talk about human alternatives so stay tuned for that if you’d like this video go ahead and hit that subscribe button

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  • Mind Readings: AI Bill of Rights, Part 3: Data Privacy

    Mind Readings: AI Bill of Rights, Part 3: Data Privacy

    The AI Bill of Rights contains a section on data privacy, which outlines the rights of individuals with regard to their data. This includes the right to know if their data is being used by machines for decisioning, the right to opt out of such use, and the right to access and delete their data. Companies must also obtain consent from individuals for the use of their data, and must provide notice and explanations for the use of data and machine learning.

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    Welcome back to our review of the AI Bill of Rights.

    This is part three data privacy and this one got to read this whole thing aloud.

    I’ve been sort of summarizing these but this one deserves to be read in full because a lot of is already law or becoming law.

    And we need to pay attention to it as marketers data privacy.

    You should be protected from abusive data practices via built in protections and you should have agency over how data about you is used.

    You should be protected from violations of privacy through design choices that ensure such protections are included by default, including that data collection options conformed to reasonable expectations that only data strictly necessary for the specific context is collected.

    designers, developers, and deployers of automated systems who seek your permission and respect your decisions regarding collection use access, transfer and deletion of your data in appropriate ways.

    And to the greatest extent possible, were not possible alternative privacy by design safeguards should be used.

    systems should not employ user experience and design decisions that obfuscate user choice, or burden users with defaults that are privacy invasive consent should only be used to justify collection of data in cases where it can be appropriately and meaningfully given any consent request should be brief, be understandable in plain language and give you agency over data collection, and the specific context of use.

    Current hard to understand notice and choice practices for broad uses of data should be changed.

    Enhanced protections and restrictions for data and inferences related to sensitive domains including health work, education, criminal justice and finance, and for data pertaining to your youth should be should put you first.

    In sensitive domains.

    Your data and related inferences should only be used for necessary functions and you should be protected by ethical review and use prohibitions.

    You and your communities should be free from unchecked surveillance surveillance technologies should be subjected to heightened oversight that includes at least predeployment assessment of their potential harms and scope limits to protect privacy and civil liberties.

    continuous surveillance and monitoring should not be used in educational work, housing or other contexts where the use of such surveillance technologies is likely to limit rights opportunities or access.

    Whenever possible, you should have access to reporting that confirms your data decisions have been respected, and provides an assessment of the potential impact of surveillance technologies on your rights opportunities and access.

    This section of the AI Bill of Rights is probably the closest to already being a reality.

    You’ll notice the language sounds very similar to GDPR General Data Protection Regulation of the EU it sounds very similar to CCPA and CPRA, California’s consumer protections for citizens of California and households, they’re about data.

    And this is also the section that companies resist the hardest, particularly marketers, because marketers let’s face it have an addiction to data that even if they don’t know how to use it, well, they have an addiction to it, particularly personally identifying information and demographic data sensitive data.

    That’s got to stop.

    That’s got to stop because legislatively, the world is pivoting towards enhanced privacy, which is a good thing.

    Enhanced privacy is a good thing.

    Not good for marketing, but good for people.

    Let’s look at a couple of the examples that they cite in here of things companies have done wrong.

    Number one, an insurer might collect data from a person’s social media presence as part of deciding what life insurance rates they should be offered.

    Ya know? Number two, a data broke or harvested large amounts of personal data and suffered a breach exposing hundreds of 1000s of people to potential identity theft, gosh, Who could that be? A local public housing authority installed a facial recognition system at the entrance to housing complexes to assist law enforcement with identifying individuals you’d buy via camera when police reports are filed leaving the community both those living in the housing complex and not to have videos of them sent to local police departments and made available scanning by its facial recognition software in the last episode on algorithmic discrimination, and one of the things we forgot to talk about was that things like facial recognition don’t work.

    The same for everybody.

    They are trained on certain libraries of faces.

    And this there’s a lot of issues with that.

    But this case, this is a consent issue.

    People who are not living at that housing complex did not give their consent to being videoed.

    Companies use surveillance software to track employee discussions about union activity and use the resulting data to surveil individual employees and surreptitiously intervene in discussion.

    Starbucks.

    To be fair, there’s a lot of companies that do stuff like that Amazon, does that do? Allegedly, allegedly? I don’t believe any of those cases have come to court to decision in courts yet.

    So they have to say allegedly, but that’s was allegedly behind these things.

    So data privacy is really going to be challenging for AI, and for marketing.

    Because we already have laws on the books saying you have to provide consent for a consumer must provide consent for the dated reuse.

    And in California CPRA, which takes effect January one or 2023.

    There’s a provision saying, consumers have the right to know if their data is being used by machines for decisioning, aka machine learning, and have the right to opt out of it.

    Right.

    So think about that, if you are building machine learning, based on the data within your systems, you have to if you’re planning on doing business with California at all, or Europe, you have to be able to exclude people’s data from machine learning.

    Alright, that’s a pretty big deal.

    There will be an entire cottage industry of folks helping to clean that stuff up, and to build what are called synthetic models, synthetic models based on data that conforms to the statistical patterns of users without using any actual user data, right? So if 40% of your database is women, and 52% of those women are people of color.

    And of that, you know, 16% are Latina, then you will create a synthetic data set of artificial people that match those statistical criteria that you could use for modeling.

    But none of the individual entries in that synthetic data are real people.

    Right? They’re like, AI generated images of people.

    They’re not real people, but they look enough like real people that you could use them in decisioning systems to look for patterns that you can make decisions on.

    For consent, consent is one of those things that marketers have not really figured out.

    Because we sort of assumed blanket consent.

    And it’s becoming more and more challenging legislatively, because companies and various entities have said, No, you have to get consent per purpose per use.

    So if you fill out a form, on my website, I have to list out all the things that I’m going to do with your data, I’m gonna subscribe to my newsletter, I’m going to use your data to make predictions about whether you know what email domain you use, and whether that is a predictor for whether you’re likely to be a customer or not.

    And so on and so forth.

    I would use your data to you know, for marketing, lead scoring, if you work for a certain type of company, to give you more points in our in our lead scoring system, all of these things have to be things that we as marketers have to be thinking about now, because it’s going to be legislatively required.

    And again, this is one of those things where a lot of this is already law, certainly overseas in China, and in the EU, it is law, it’s operational law.

    Now there are substantial civil and criminal penalties for breaking those laws.

    And in the United States, there’s differential privacy laws all over the country, but California has some of the strictest ones, other states, Virginia, Massachusetts, New York, they’re also coming up with with privacy law scrutiny, a patchwork quilt, but the general guidance that we’ve seen, the fact of is, if you were conformant to GDPR, the EU legislation, you’re pretty much gonna check the box on everything else, because GDPR is the strictest implementation of privacy right now.

    AI and machine learning are founded on data, right? You build models from data, though the fundamental technology underlying it is data.

    And so if we are losing access to data, because we didn’t get permission for it, we’ve got to come up with other things, right? behavior based analysis is really useful, right? Do you really care who somebody is? Or do you just care that you see enough buying signals that you can nudge them? For example, if you go to the Trust Insights website, and you visit a blog post, and then you visit the about us page, and then the team page and then the Services page, you’re probably going to convert to something, right? I don’t need to know who you are your age or your location or your your ethnicity, to know that I should fire a pop up saying Hey, want to buy something.

    Your behavior is indicative of buying behavior would know regardless of who you are, and that is the mind shift that marketers and particularly marketing technology vendors need to pivot to is let’s make sure we are focusing on behaviors and not individuals, and certainly not personally identifying information wherever possible, in order to conform To regulations as best as we can.

    So that’s, that’s the data.

    There’s a lot to unpack there.

    But the bottom line is we need permission for everything on a case by case basis on the use by use basis.

    And we should only be collecting data for actually going to use it.

    So take a look at the data you collect.

    Now, as a marketer, how much do you actually use? Is there stuff that you could just throw overboard and wouldn’t affect your decisioning at all right? If there is, get rid of it, get rid of it sooner rather than later, delete it from your systems.

    And you are that much more protected from privacy regulations and from data breaches, too.

    But this is a really important one.

    In the next section, we’re going to talk about notice and explanations.

    I’ll be tomorrow’s episode.

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  • Mind Readings: AI Bill of Rights, Part 2: Algorithmic Discrimination Protections

    Mind Readings: AI Bill of Rights, Part 2: Algorithmic Discrimination Protections

    The White House’s AI Bill of Rights includes algorithmic discrimination protections, which state that automated systems should not contribute to unjustified different treatment of people based on protected characteristics like race, color, ethnicity, sex, gender, religion, age, national origin, disability, veteran status, or genetic information. Some ways to mitigate algorithmic discrimination include ensuring that data used to train models is diverse and representative, that models are transparent and interpretable, and that there is independent inspection of model outcomes.

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    Welcome to part two of our review of the review of the United States.

    The White House’s proposed AI Bill of Rights.

    Today we’re talking algorithmic discrimination protections.

    So let’s see what this is all about algorithmic discrimination protections, you should not face discrimination by algorithms and systems should be used and designed in an equitable way.

    Algorithmic discrimination occurs when automated systems contribute to unjustified different treatment, or impacts disfavoring people based on their race, color, ethnicity, sex, gender, religion, age, national origin, disability, veteran status, genetic information on any other classification protected by law.

    Okay.

    This is one of the really, really important things in this the AI bill of rights because AI systems learn from the data we give them.

    And if the data going in is flawed, what the system is going to come out with is also going to be flawed.

    That is just basics of of of data, right garbage in garbage out.

    The problem is bigger.

    When it comes to AI because you have, in some cases systemically incorrect data going into the system, there’s no way for the system to to compensate for it.

    For example, there is no reliable healthcare data to build AI models on for black people in America.

    None.

    Because systemic racism has created centuries of inequitable unfair health outcomes, right? health outcomes that as a result, if you built a model on it would would try to predict or classify based on the past, right, that’s all AI does.

    AI takes a lot of data and turns it into a model based on the past and if the past is wrong, if the past is flawed, deeply flawed.

    Anything that model comes up with is going to be flawed to like life expectancy or cardiac treatment or things like that.

    Let’s take a look at some of the examples in the paper here.

    Number one automated system using non traditional factors such as educational attainment, and employment history as part of its loan underwriting and pricing model was found to be much more likely to charge an applicant who attended a historically black college a university higher loan prices for refinancing a student loan than an applicant who did not attend an HBCU.

    This was found to be true even when controlling for other credit related factors.

    Number two, the hiring tool that learn the features of a company’s employees predominantly men rejected women’s applications for spurious and discriminatory reasons.

    resumes with the word women’s, such as women’s chess club captain were penalized in the candidate ranking, I’m pretty sure that was Amazon’s 2018 screw up which which made all the major trade papers.

    Number three.

    a predictive model marketed as being able to predict whether students are likely to drop out of school was used by more than 500 universities across the country.

    This is all USA based.

    The model was found to use race directly as a predictor, and also shown to have large disparities by race black students were as many as many as four times as likely as their otherwise similar white peers to be deemed at high risk of dropping out.

    These risk scores are used by advisors to guide students away or towards majors, and some way that they are being used to guide black students away from math and science subjects.

    Number four, a risk assessment tool designed to predict the risk of recidivism, aka committing another crime in federal custody showed evidence of disparity and prediction.

    The tool over predicts the risk of recidivism for some groups of color on general recidivism tools, and under predicts the risk of recidivism for other subgroups of Colorado on some of the violent recidivism tools.

    The department justice is working to reduce these disparities.

    That is based off of a 2016 case I believe pro publica did a story on the trying to predict recidivism.

    The tool was awful.

    It was like 20% Correct.

    But it over predicted on on black and people of color pretty substantially and it was used, I believe, to to deny parole.

    A couple other examples in here that I think are really important.

    An automated sentiment analyzer tool, often used by technology platforms to determine whether a statement posted online expresses a positive or negative sentiment was found to be biased against Jews and gay people.

    For example, the analyzer market statement I’m a Jew as representing a negative sentiment, while I’m a Christian was identified as expressing a positive sentiment.

    This could lead to the pre emptive blocking of social media comments such as I’m gay.

    A related company company with a spice concern has made the data public to encourage researchers to help address the issue.

    Believe that was Facebook.

    And this last one here.

    Yeah.

    Searches for black girls, Asian girls or Latina girls return predominantly sexualized calm On top rather than role models, toys or activities, some search engines have been working to reduce the prevalence of these search results.

    But the problem remains.

    Yeah, who else is that gonna be besides Google? This category of algorithmic discrimination, like I said, is based on past data, right.

    So if the data going in is bad, whatever the model comes up with is also going to be bad, there’s no way to fix that, right? There is no way to not ingest the biases of our society into these models.

    Without substantial mitigation techniques.

    Some of the techniques that are have been developed are pretty clever, they’re used.

    IBM uses them in Watson open scale, where if you have, say, a database of 60% men and 40% women, it will flip, it’ll basically randomly rewrite 10% of the data so that you know, 50% of the men, and you’ll take 10% of the men, turn them into women and put them in the women column, so that you get balanced, the same was true for race.

    If you want to achieve proportional representation, here’s the challenge with some of these some of the statements about equitable treatment and algorithmic discrimination.

    It is difficult to understand what fairness is, right? Fairness is a challenging topic, because there’s different ways to implement fairness based on different kinds of situations, there is no one size fits all.

    For example, if you are hiring, and you are committed to a fairness in hiring, what does that mean? Does that mean you simply don’t look at say gender, on your job applications, right? That reduces the ability for somebody to say I don’t want to hire men, or I don’t want to hire women.

    But if the underlying population is skewed, it doesn’t solve that, right? If your talent pool is 90% men, and you are aspiring to be 5050, you’re gonna have you know, just taking away gender is not going to fix that right, you would have to under Select the number of men and over select the number of women to get to that 5050 split.

    So what constitutes fairness? There is no good answer for that.

    There is no easy answer for any of us.

    And those decisions have to be made by stakeholders, by system developers and engineers, and then somebody has to look at the outputs of these systems and say, Yes, we are achieving our stated aim of fairness.

    And, again, the paper goes through essentially very similar recommendations, which is, you know, make sure that you have diverse inputs, make sure that there’s independent evaluation, make sure somebody’s looking at what the machines is spitting out, and dealing with it.

    But at the end of the day, you do have systemic problems in society, that machines are going to amplify, right? Unless you consciously say, we’re going to be unfair in the other direction to counterbalance it, or we’re going to put enough noise in the data to, to deal with the issue, for example, with with black people in healthcare, the, if you’re looking for optimal health care outcomes for black people, you can’t use black people’s healthcare data, right? Because it is corrupted, because it is it is systemic racism has reduced that.

    So you would have to use the highest performing segment of people, like, you know, in America, white people tend to have the highest positive health care outcomes.

    And you use that to train the model, or at least to the extent you can D bias black healthcare data, right.

    So men should live to 78 years of age, generally, regardless of of race, women to live to 80 years of age, regardless of race.

    And that can create its own problems, because there may be specific healthcare conditions that are inherent to certain populations, right? For example, black people who come from African ancestry are more prone to sickle cell anemia because sickle cell anemia is an adaptation is a is a positive mutation that reduces the impact of malaria, which of course is a part of problem that part of in parts of Africa.

    And so there are unique mutations and things in healthcare data, that if you just blindly use another populations data, it will it will still cause problems.

    For example, there is a genetic mutation in European folks of European descent that originally protected against black plague, right? But it also causes autoimmune issues today A.

    So if you come from a year from European ancestry, you may have this positive mutation that reduces the impact of bubonic plague on you.

    But it also may cause things like Crohn’s disease.

    So there’s no easy answers here.

    But to say that, as you create systems for, for our AI, you need to have diverse stakeholders who weigh in and vote and and you are very transparent in how data is used in these systems.

    how decisions are made.

    explainability and interpretability of your models is essential to be able to say, here’s how this data is being used.

    Here’s how some data is being excluded or being protected.

    For example, you you disallow a system from making judgments based on race.

    And you also disallow proxies, right if let’s say you, you’re trying to disallow on on gender and you you say you protect that class, but then you take into account things like books and TV shows and movies and music.

    And you find that your system is making decisions based on whether someone’s a Taylor Swift fan or not.

    Statistically, you’re starting to use a proxy piece of data in place of gender.

    So we have to protect against those things to look for those things.

    But it comes down to having a plan, having diverse inputs, and then having independent inspection of the outcomes.

    Now you might be saying this sounds doesn’t sound like a, you know, a marketing problem.

    But this finds its way into marketing systems, right? If you’re doing any kind of RFM analysis, if you’re, if you’re in retail, if you’re in B2B, and you’re doing lead scoring, you want to make sure that you’re checking your systems against racial bias and other forms of disallowed bias, veteran bias, genetic information bias, sexual orientation and gender identity bias, you want to make sure that your systems are not using those factors in any kind of decisioning process.

    Because if this full Bill of Rights becomes law in some fashion, you will be held accountable for it.

    So get ahead of that by making sure that you are proactively looking for these problems.

    In the next section, we’re going to go from algorithmic discrimination to data privacy.

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    Mind Readings: AI Bill of Rights, Part 1: Safe and Effective Systems

    The government has proposed an AI Bill of Rights that outlines five fundamental rights that individuals should have when subjected to the outputs of AI systems. The first right is the right to safe and effective systems, which means that individuals should be protected from unsafe or ineffective systems. Automated systems should be developed with consultation from diverse community stakeholders and domain experts to identify concerns, risks and potential impacts of the system.

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    In this five part series, we’re going to take a look at the proposed AI Bill of Rights, and see what’s in the box, see what commentary we can offer about this document.

    Now, you probably want to get a copy of this to read along, and I’ll put a link in the in the notes below.

    But this is an important document for anybody who’s working with artificial intelligence, machine learning data science systems.

    In particular, in marketing, if you are using any kind of marketing automation software, or CRM software that has machine learning and artificial intelligence built in from automated lead scoring to anything else, you should know what’s in this document.

    This was released by the White House just a couple of months ago.

    And while it as a whole does not carry the force of law, yet, there are many provisions with it that are already covered by existing laws.

    And that’s one of the reasons why we want to take a look at this document.

    Also, full disclosure, and disclaimer, I’m not a lawyer, right? If you want a lawyer on AI, go talk to Ruth Carter, go to Geek law firm.com.

    For that, I’m not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.

    But we are going to talk about some of the implications that could happen if your business is not doing things as ethically or as aligned with the law as you should be.

    So there could be legal penalties for not using artificial intelligence in the right way.

    five part series because there are five fundamental AI rights that are in this document.

    And I think it’s important to point out, this is not a document about machines becoming sentient and having their own rights.

    This is about the rights of individuals, human beings, when subjected to the outputs of AI systems.

    So that important clarification.

    So let’s dig in right number one, safe and effective systems.

    You should be protected from unsafe or ineffective systems, automated systems should be developed with consultation from diverse community stakeholders and domain experts to identify concerns, risks and potential impacts of the system.

    Now, one of the things I really like about this document is that it’s not just theoretical.

    In each of the sections that we’re going to talk through, there are examples of the kinds of things that each write is supposed to mitigate or prevent.

    So in this one for safe and effective systems, the first counter example is a proprietary model was developed to predict the likelihood of sepsis in hospitalized patients and was implemented at hundreds of hospitals around the country.

    An independent study showed that the model predictions underperformed relative to the designers claims will also cause an alert fatigue by falsely alerting likelihood of sepsis.

    Example two on social media black people who quote and criticize racist messages have had their own speech silenced when a platform is automated moderation system failed to distinguish counter speech, or other critique and journalism.

    From the original hateful messages to which such speech responded.

    Pretty shot wins Facebook.

    Number three, a device originally developed to help people track and find lost items has been used as a tool by stalkers to track victims locations in violation of their privacy and safety.

    The device manufacturer took steps after release to protect people from unwanted tracking by alerting people on their phones when the device is found to be moving with them over time.

    And also by having the device make an occasional noise.

    But not all phones are able to receive the notification.

    And the devices remain a safety concern due to their misuse that would be Apple’s air tags.

    And it was a relatively recent thing.

    Number four, an algorithm used to deploy police was found to repeatedly send police to neighborhoods they regularly visit even if those neighborhoods were not the ones with the highest crime rates.

    These incorrect crime predictions were the result of a feedback loop generated from the reuse of data from previous arrests and algorithm predictions.

    So this first one safe and effective systems is a good idea.

    I mean, all of these are good ideas that some of them are going to be harder to implement than others.

    safe and effective systems is a pretty as slam dunks go for AI.

    This one seems to be a pretty safe one.

    Your system should do what it says it does.

    Right? And the outcomes.

    One of the reasons why this right is necessary to even be discussed is because nobody who’s building AI systems in these examples and these examples is asking the very simple straightforward question, What could go wrong, right? You make a tracking device.

    And don’t anticipate that someone could misuse it right? How could somebody turn the system against its intended use? How could somebody use off label? What are the things that you could use that you wouldn’t want your system to be used for? Say, maybe you make a social network and it’s being used to undermine democracies around the world that seems like an unintended use.

    Now, here’s the challenge.

    And this is something that the guide only peripherally discusses.

    It talks a lot about things like consultation, independent audits, evaluation, regular reporting, and things like that.

    But there needs to be legislation in place to create penalties for violating these rights.

    Because right now there isn’t right now there’s, there’s no penalty for Facebook, undermining democracy, there’s no penalty for Apple making air tags that can be used by stalkers, there’s no punishment.

    For bad actors and bad actors.

    Most of the time, when it comes to AI technology are the technology manufacturers.

    There are obviously individuals who misuse the technology, right? They they intend to use it in ways that are not authorized.

    But there also needs to be some level of liability for the manufacturer of the technology, or this is all just nice thoughts, right? This is the AI equivalent of thoughts and prayers, it doesn’t do anything.

    If in the process of building a system, you have a committee internally that says, hey, how could this thing be misused, and somebody highlights, hey, you could use this to stalk somebody, and then you don’t take steps to mitigate that you should absolutely be held liable for it, you should absolutely be held liable for creating something that someone highlighted this could be a potential problem, and realistically potential problem by putting a tracking tag in someone else’s luggage.

    That’s not like sci fi, right? That’s not some crazy James Bond.

    Thriller, which is totally unrealistic.

    No, it’s very realistic.

    That’s very easy.

    Taking a tracking tag and taping it to somebody’s car bumper, that’s not really realistic.

    That’s been in like every spy movie since the 1960s.

    So when we’re talking about artificial intelligence systems, we’re talking about how are the ways that it could be misused now, and the big question that we have to ask with all these systems is, how can they create unsafe outcomes? Right? What are the outcomes that would be inappropriate? What are the outcomes that ways you can misuse these systems? For example.

    Deep fakes, has been a, a differential use of technology.

    For a long time, the initial purpose was adult entertainment, but has since been used to simulate world leaders saying things literally putting words in their mouths, they didn’t say, as a propaganda tool.

    The systems and their manufacturers that enable that to some degree have to be have a part of the accountability, the init, in order for these these regulations to have teeth.

    Now, the catches for some of this is going to be open source systems.

    Open source systems, by definition do not have a level of accountability.

    Right? You release some your software to the public, you say here it is public, do with it, what you will we expressly disclaim any liability.

    And we provide no support or help, right? It’s just here’s the thing.

    With AI, that’s becoming a challenge, right? services and systems like Hugging Face is transformers, T, the T five transformers, the GPT, Neo X models, Stable Diffusion, these are all open source products, they’re given away freely, anyone can take them and reuse them.

    And like any other tool, some people are going to misuse them.

    So there is no provision right now in any of this document for dealing with the question of open source.

    Because what you don’t want to do is you don’t want to stifle open source development either.

    It is responsible for a substantial amount of the progress in the space academia open source, that’s been the case for decades.

    So there has to be that part as well.

    But overall, the safe and effective system seems pretty logical.

    And our takeaway, as people who operate these systems is, what could go wrong? How could we be misusing the systems we’re using them from in ways that are unanticipated? Or What harm could we do with a system and not realize it? For example, I met with an insurance company a few years at a conference.

    And they were talking about how proud they were they’ve developed a system that would only market to specific segments of the audience, because they wanted to get only the best customers and unfortunately, they reinvented redlining in the process, which is the act of discriminating against certain demographics within a city Again no one was there to ask Hey How could this thing be misused and clearly in this case it was so that’s part one Stay tuned next up will be part two on algorithmic discrimination if you’d like this video go ahead and hit that subscribe button

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    Ok, now that everyone else is gone, let’s get started. This past week, a colleague asked me what I thought the future of AI is in the next few years, where I thought things like content generation are going.

    First, on the optimistic side, the same technologies that power the ability for an AI model to take a text prompt like “dog wearing a pink tutu riding on a skateboard” and transforming that into art are capable of so, so much more. Without getting into the guts of these kinds of models, the underlying technology is agnostic as to the kind of content it’s working with.

    Thus, with enough data, it’s equally possible for a prompt like this to eventually work: “make a short animated film about a penguin with poor eyesight.”

    But again, that’s not thinking big enough. Content type is irrelevant to the underlying technology. This is also realistically possible:

    “Here is a new virus’ RNA we haven’t seen before, create a candidate vaccine.”

    Or,

    “Here is the genetic code of an individual with a rare disease. Create 5 candidate drugs to treat it.”

    Or,

    “Create a genetically modified algae that consumes atmospheric CO2 at twice the rate of naturally occurring organisms and dies quickly.”

    This is the upside of the latest generation of AI models. If we use them properly, we could engineer civilization-changing solutions for the better. What’s required are massive amounts of data to train on, domain expertise wedded to AI engineering skills, and a focus on desirable outcomes counterbalanced by an understanding of what could go wrong.

    That’s the upside, and if we do it right, it’s a pretty big upside.

    So let’s talk about the downside. You might want a beverage in hand.

    The current generation of AI models and the immediate next generation, absent regulation and government interference, are going to cost millions of jobs. Yep. It’s going to be like that. There’s no gentle way to put it.

    Here’s why. No AI software right now can do an entire job, because jobs are composed of a myriad of tasks. But some of those tasks are substantial investments of time, and individual tasks absolutely can be done by machines. For example, writing a blog post can be done by a machine with reasonable quality. Certainly, machines can create excellent first drafts.

    Now suppose you have a team of 10 writers, a content creation team. Writing blog posts occupies about 40% of the team’s time in aggregate. If machines can create capable first drafts that only require minor editing, then suddenly your team has about 30-40% excess capacity.

    What happens next? Well, one of two things. Either you find other tasks to fill that empty 40% capacity, or you can safely downsize the team by 40%. Instead of a team of 10, you can get the same amount of work done by a team of 6.

    But not everyone writes blog posts, so most of us are safe, right? No. Anything that’s repetitively creative, machines can create okayish to good versions of. Machine-led art has already won art contests (and forced contests to specify that future entries must be human-led or human-only submissions).

    So why do I think this will lead to millions of lost jobs? First, because the kinds of jobs that AI will impact are becoming far more numerous. Chunks of data science – my profession – are becoming more and more automated. Now creative jobs are on the line in every part of creativity – writing, photos, art, music composition. We’ve already seen the impacts of automation in manufacturing jobs.

    And while it’s true that new jobs will be created, the scale factor isn’t in humanity’s favor. For example, I could probably paint one very mediocre painting in about a day. A tool like Stable Diffusion? I can write the necessary code and provide mechanistic prompts for it to generate 3,000 – 4,000 pieces of artwork overnight. Yes, someone like me in the role of a prompt engineer is still needed to operate the machinery, but I’ve replaced the raw output of 3,000 mediocre human artists (me) with 1 machine instance that can achieve the same levels of productivity.

    Add to that the level of competence for machine-generated content continues to rise. Five years ago, machines could only work in templates, a bit like boring mad-libs. Today, they create coherent, readable text as well as amazing artwork, passable musical compositions, and other forms of creative output. Every year, the bar of competence rises higher for what machines can do versus humans.

    This brings us to the second major point: our current economic systems in many different nations tend to reward efficiency and our main measure of success in free market economies is net profits.

    If you, as a margin-minded executive or stakeholder, hear about 40% inefficiencies in your organization, what are you going to do? Wait the 6, 9, 12 months or more for people to reskill and upskill? Or are you going to make cuts to improve those margins and right-size the business? If you report to Wall Street or other similar investor mechanisms, you are being asked to optimize for net profits before the next quarterly earnings call.

    Any publicly traded company is going to choose the latter for sure; most for-profit companies will choose the latter. It’s the rational choice if your goal is to maximize net profits. Why? People are expensive. Above and beyond the salary, you have other aspects of people – compensation in the form of benefits, healthcare, payroll taxes, etc. Obviously this varies from region to region, but there are no civil places where people are a most cost-effective option than machines for the same task. The only places where people are cheaper than machines are places where massive human rights violations are occurring.

    Here’s what we’ve seen over the last two centuries as a general rule: once a task becomes the domain of machines at scale, it never goes back to being a human task at scale. No farm that produces at scale plows with a farmer and a mule. Instead, GPS-guided massive equipment does that, and the farmer is more a machine supervisor – and the hundreds of field workers that task might have employed in the past are no longer needed. No mass-manufactured automobile is assembled by hand; assembly lines today are more automated than ever. These industries are safer and more productive, but they employ far fewer people – and the same thing will happen to every task and industry AI touches.

    Who will be affected first? Any job that’s made of largely repetitive tasks that AI can perform, for which there would be substantial cost savings – especially if your level of skill is below that of a machine’s. If a machine can generate 1,000 pay per click ads an hour and you can create 2, unless your 2 ads are brilliant, a machine is going to be doing that task very shortly – and you might not be.

    What jobs will be affected least? Jobs where the tasks are so complex that it’s not worth automating them because the complexity is too high. Cleaning a hotel room has enough weird variability (hey, who glued the furniture to the ceiling?) that humans are better at it and will be for a while. Yes, you could teach an automaton like Boston Dynamics’ Atlas robot to do the job – but those are a quarter million dollars just for the hardware, not to mention the time to train it and their 20 minute runtime currently.

    Jobs where human to human relationships are primary, like massage therapy, are jobs that customers probably will not want machines doing even if the machines are cheaper.

    What should you be doing to protect yourself? First, if you are in a profession where your tasks are highly repetitive and creative in nature, like art, design, writing, etc. you should be constantly upskilling, constantly improving your craft to the point where machines struggle to match your unique style.

    Second, your personal brand – your reputation and how you market yourself – must be a priority. Being known for something, being good at something, being distinct in your field will offer an added layer of protection that the average worker will not have. When people ask for you by name, you’ve got a strong personal brand. And that doesn’t have to be one kind of profession. We’ve all been to restaurants or coffee shops where there’s that one person we’d prefer to deal with – that person has built a personal brand that others value.

    Third, on a societal level, every free market society needs to figure out safety mechanisms like universal basic income really, really soon. Like climate change, it’s got to be a priority now before it becomes an intractable problem later. Having thousands or millions of newly unemployed people in the workforce while a few leaders of business keep getting richer is a recipe for social unrest at the very least, and outright civil war at the worst. I’d give us a decade at the most to figure out UBI or some similar safety mechanism to allow people to live on the basics. Without that, it’s not going to be a pretty future.

    AI is an incredibly powerful set of tools. Like all tools, it’s agnostic and amoral. In the right hands, we will do great things with it. In the wrong hands, we will do incredible harm with it. And given the penchants and propensities of the people we tend to elect to office (in many nations) and the people we elevate in public society like business oligarchs (again, in many nations), the latter outcome is probably more likely than the former.

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    You Ask, I Answer: Being More Human in Marketing?

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    Being more human in marketing means using automation sensibly, empathizing with customers, and doing things that don’t scale.

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    In this episode, Katie asks, What does being more human and marketing mean? Or it’s a big question because being human is itself a big question.

    So there’s a couple of different ways to tackle this.

    But I want to start off with a caveat.

    B being human isn’t necessarily the aspirational goal that initially sounds like, it sounds great, it sounds very positive, until we remember that human beings are in general kind of a blight on on the planet, right? We are as a species, highly self destructive, we are destructive to a lot of other things, too, we’re incredibly self destructive.

    We’ve had something on the order of 28 days of warfare every day of peace.

    And we’re generally not very good at making decisions, particularly decisions over the long term, we tend to be fairly short sighted creatures, highly emotional, and problematic in a whole bunch of different ways.

    When we say be more human, I assume we’re trying to be more like, say, the Dalai Lama, and not so much like Hiler.

    But both of them are human.

    Right? Both of them are, we’re human beings.

    So we want to be very, very specific when we say let’s be more human and marketing.

    Now, to the actual substance of the question.

    Being more human, in marketing can mean a couple of different things.

    First, it means using automation sensibly, right? Using automation, just save time where it makes sense to save time, and word doesn’t impact our ability to interact with other humans in productive ways.

    So there’s a trend, understandably, right now, to automate everything possible, so that you have as little human interaction as possible, particularly in customer service, because humans are expensive, right? We cost a lot of money.

    Health care, benefits, salaries, machines, it costs substantially less.

    So that’s one aspect.

    But the part they think that really defines humanity, in business, and in the sense of being more human, is that it’s scale or the opposite of scale, human beings, don’t scale well.

    Right.

    But that lack of scaling is what communicates value to us, it communicates that this is, this is a valuable interaction, right? When you sit down to have dinner with somebody, you cannot be sitting down to have dinner with more than a certain number of people, right? There’s a limit to how many people you can have dinner with and have a productive conversation.

    Certainly, if you want to have a deep conversation, you’re probably only going to have dinner with what, three, four or five, maybe six people at the most after that it starts you get stuck in the loss side conversations.

    You want to have the most direct conversation, you have dinner with one other person.

    You can’t scale that.

    There’s no way to scale, they have dinner with a million people.

    You can email a million people, but you can’t have dinner with them.

    You can send a million emails, you cannot sit down and write handwrite a million letters even just wrote the person’s name, and hi, right.

    Hi, Chris.

    Next one letter.

    You’re not going to write out a million of these in any reasonable time fashion.

    But yet, we value a handwritten letter, we value a phone call made by an actual human, we value a video chat with an another person.

    One of the reasons why, you know, apps on our phones have so there’s so much messaging is because we’re messaging people, very specifically very intentionally, in a way that doesn’t scale, right? We might have a group chat with maybe 10 or 15 or 20 people, or probably about 1000 Probably not 10,000 people in a group chat.

    I hope not your phone would never stop buzzing, you’d never get any sleep.

    It is easy to send a blanket social media status, right you post a tweet or you post something on LinkedIn, it’s a lot harder to individually direct message every single person, even if you have 100 Just 100 friends that’s a lot of it’s 100 messages to send a time.

    Right.

    And yet that lack of scalability is what communicates value when you get a direct message from a friend that is just to you is like hey, this is pretty cool.

    This person is just reaching out to me being more human you know machines and AI can can generate things that sound good but, but lack the actual judgment behind the scenes.

    Humans do judgment machines generally don’t.

    And judgment means knowing what the rules are and when the rules don’t apply.

    On the scalability front, it’s easy to use all these really cool AI systems to to generate, you know, 1000 cool looking oil paint thinks it’s really time consuming to paint even just one by hand.

    So being more human means doing things that don’t scale.

    Right? It means showing that you care, showing someone you care by doing something that’s difficult or time consuming, something that you have to trade off, right? If I paint you a painting that has time I spent on the paint that I could have been doing something else, if I write one email, but I sent it to a million people, everybody knows the I didn’t really write that for you, I just wrote that.

    And being more human means in a positive sense, means having empathy, empathy, we use that term a lot, and it gets misused a lot.

    Empathy means knowing what someone else is experiencing and taking action on it.

    Alright, sympathy is expressing emotions in support of somebody else’s feelings.

    But empathy is knowing what someone’s going through and taking action on it, right.

    So if you see somebody who is sitting down and tired, after after walking a whole bunch, you get them a bottle of water, right, because you know what they’re going through, you recognize what’s going on, and you take action on it.

    And that is a key part of being more human that machines are not capable of doing yet, right, they can emulate it to a certain degree, but it’s still not quite there.

    So that, to me is what being more human means It means exercising empathy, exercising judgment.

    And it means doing stuff that doesn’t scale.

    Right? The less something scales, the more valuable it is to us.

    And the more something scales, the less personal is.

    So if you want your marketing to seem more human, try doing things that don’t scale, especially if you’re a small business, especially if you’re starting out.

    And you don’t have you know, a million people on your client roster.

    Just start doing stuff that doesn’t scale that but that shows commitment to that you understand the other person.

    Real simple example, when I’m about ready to publish a new piece of research, or something, I always send it out to our clients first, right, they get it before our Slack community, they get it for a newsletter list, they get it for social media content.

    Even if it’s just 20 minutes before, I always want our customers to know, you are first in line, our paying customers are first in line.

    And a lot of companies don’t necessarily do that.

    They will think that way.

    Like, hey, here’s a new study, right? Our customers get the new thing before anybody else.

    And they don’t have to fill out any forms.

    We know who they are.

    So they get they get that special access they’ve made to feel special, because that’s empathy.

    I know what someone else is experiencing.

    And I can take action on it.

    When you get an announcement, hey, download this new paper, right? You know what’s gonna go on here like yet another form to fill out and some of them from sales gonna call me and so on and so forth.

    By take action, say, Hey, here’s the new thing.

    You want to do anything else? I’m just giving it to you.

    That short circuits that loop and makes you go, Oh, yeah, you get me, you get where I’m going with this, you, you understand that? I don’t really want to fill out another form, but you’re just giving me the thing like, yep, that’s because I value you as a customer.

    So that’s what being more human and marketing means.

    Now, there are many, many more dimensions of it, because there’s so many more dimensions of being human.

    But that would be my first take on it.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • Mind Readings: Preventing Dunning Kruger Effect

    Mind Readings: Preventing Dunning Kruger Effect

    The Dunning Kruger effect is a cognitive bias whereby people who have relatively low ability or expertise in a particular domain tend to overestimate their knowledge or ability. This can lead to disastrous consequences if left unchecked. One way to reduce the likelihood of this happening is to use the specificity test: when faced with a task or a domain of knowledge, ask yourself how specifically you would go about solving the problem or accomplishing the task. If you can’t come up with a clear and specific plan, then it’s likely that you are overestimating your abilities and the Dunning Kruger effect is at play.

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    In this episode, let’s talk about reducing a specific kind of cognitive bias the cognitive bias known as the Dunning Kruger effect.

    The Dunning Kruger effect is a cognitive bias.

    It’s a thing that we believe that is incorrect, whereby people who have relatively low ability or expertise or experience with a particular domain of knowledge, tend to overestimate or dramatically overestimate their knowledge or ability.

    We see this made fun of a lot in in business management, people being referred to as pointy haired bosses, and saying things like, well, if I don’t understand something, it must be easy.

    Or people having just unfounded confidence in doing something, they look at a task and they say, oh, that must be easy.

    I can do that.

    And obviously, this can go very badly, right? If if you have somebody who fails to recognize their own incompetence, if they’re a bad manager, but they think they’re a great manager, right, that back can go really badly for everybody.

    There’s somebody who thinks they’re amazing at web analytics, and the end, they’re not, if they believe they’re good at SEO, and yet, they can’t get anything to rank for anything.

    If they believe that they are empathetic, or they are well loved, and not those are all examples of Dunning Kruger effect, counteracting it is very, very difficult.

    Like any kind of cognitive bias, the only way to counteract it in somebody else, while there is no other way to counteract somebody else, but a person has to want to counteract it themselves.

    And that requires a certain degree of self awareness that not a lot of people have myself included.

    The thing that I try to do to reduce it as much as I can, is with specificity, right? If I look at a task, or a domain of knowledge, and my first instinct is that unfounded confidence, I can do that.

    I asked myself, well, how would I do that? Right, something like a part of my vacuum cleaner breaks, I can figure that out.

    How, oh, first of all, take it apart and I guess, figure out and see what’s wrong.

    I think that’s a pretty clear indicator that I don’t have the specific knowledge, I need to to actually make that change.

    And it’s a sign that Dunning Kruger effect is occurring in me.

    On the other hand, if I see my email, open rates are down 5%.

    Again, I get the feeling, oh, I can fix that.

    But now I have a list.

    Okay, I first got to check the deliverability numbers, gonna check Google postmaster tools.

    I’m gonna check my demark reports.

    I’m going to see if I’ve been blacklisted.

    And we’re gonna check the dynamic blacklist.

    So all these things, I’m going to check through the the headers with the return headers within my inbox.

    There’s all these different steps that I know to take to see when open rates are down to figure out why in this case, I know that that level of confidence is not baseless, there is there is good reason for me to have that level of competence because I have that level of specifics to say, here’s how I know how to solve this problem.

    Now, is there room for improvement? Of course, there’s always room for improvement.

    But at the very least, I can feel somewhat assured that I have specific knowledge to diagnose that problem with specific knowledge that yields that confidence that says yeah, I this is a problem that I can solve.

    And that’s sort of how I to the best of my ability rain in that sense of overconfidence.

    So if you’re somebody who is concerned that Dunning Kruger effect might apply to you that you might be overconfident in certain areas.

    You would want to use this specificity test can you see in your mind, or however it is that you think the specific things you need to do to accomplish the task? How much gray area is there? Right if somebody is laying on the ground, apparently having some kind of medical issue? Do you have the knowledge to do a rapid diagnosis? Right?

    I have very basic knowledge, airway, breathing, circulation, the conditions for deciding whether to start CPR or not.

    Beyond that, I know that I lack specific knowledge, right? I don’t know anything about neuroscience, right? I don’t know anything about countering anaphylactic shock other than if they have an EpiPen stick in the middle of their leg.

    But knowing the boundaries of your knowledge, testing the boundaries of your knowledge by asking yourself, How specifically do I know how to solve this problem is how you rein in the Dunning Kruger effect to reduce the likelihood you’re going to be overconfident.

    And overconfidence can literally be deadly, right? If you have spent, you know, 50 hours playing Microsoft Flight Simulator, you might think that you’re capable of landing an actual plane? Are you actually capable of landing an actual plane? I don’t know.

    But this would be a good test to say, okay, what are the things that I would need to know how to do to land a plane? If you were asked to land a plane and you’ve got 500 hours or 5000 hours in a simulator? And you can recite the exact checklists, you know, what number to put the flaps at what your airspeed should be at what your angle of attack on your nose should be.

    All those things would indicate that yeah, okay, you’re probably ready to go ahead and land that plane if you need to.

    So that would be my suggestion, and it’s something that you can certainly discuss with others.

    Probably not in a situation where you’re accusing someone else of being under Dunning Kruger effect, because people can be very defensive, but as a way of explaining it to it outside of a that context and introducing that specificity test to people so that they can check themselves if they if they are so inclined.

    So that’s what’s uh, that’s what’s on my mind today.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Types of GA 4 Conversions?

    You Ask, I Answer: Types of GA 4 Conversions?

    Erin asks, “What kinds of conversions are best practices for tools like GA 4?”

    It depends on what kind of website you have, and what the things are that you want people to be doing. The general rule of thumb I use, I use a rule of thumb called the Five E’s, entrance, conversions, engagement conversions, evaluation, conversions, expression conversions, and exchange conversions.

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    In this episode, Aaron asks, what kinds of conversions are best practices? For tools like Google Analytics? 4? We get this question a lot.

    The answer is it depends.

    It depends on what kind of website you have, and what the things are that you want people to be doing.

    The general rule of thumb I use, I use a rule of thumb called the Five E’s, entrance, conversions, engagement conversions, evaluation, conversions, expression conversions, and exchange conversions.

    So let’s talk through each of these entrance conversions are those first touches, right? This is first visit new visitors, new users.

    The reason you want to have different goals throughout the buyers journey, and maybe even through the entire customer journey in Google Analytics 4 Is that the built in attribution modeling? Does its modeling based on the conversions you set up? If all you have is a purchase conversion, then you don’t have any visibility into all of the steps that people might take before converting? And the points that might at they why they might be getting hung up from point to point and you wait, you’d want to know, are there different audiences at each stage of the customer journey? And you can’t know this if you don’t have different conversion setup along the way.

    So entrance conversions? Are those first introductions, right? Somebody comes in, you want to know, is this a first visit for them? Are they a new user? What were the sources and mediums involved in that with a campaign? So entrance conversions would be my first category? My second category would be engagement conversions.

    So engagement conversions really are the things that you do to engage with a site, right? So these this is stuff like, read time, right? So how long does it take to do somebody doing stuff like consuming content, watching videos, downloading PDFs that are not not gated in any way, they’re, they demonstrate an audience’s interest in learning more about you, right? Scroll depth would be engagement conversion.

    The third layer is called evaluation conversions.

    Now, these are things that people do, because they’re evaluating you more seriously.

    Contact Form fills, requested demo, maybe newsletter subscriptions.

    Please call me book an appointment.

    Someone’s going through and start to evaluate your company they are evaluating whether they want to do business with you or not.

    Evaluating Conversions can also include certain specific sequences, like people visiting specific pages, like a pricing page, where you don’t really hang out on a pricing page unless you weren’t, you know, have some buying intent.

    So that would be the third bucket.

    The fourth bucket would be expression conversions.

    These are things that someone might do to, to express their interest in different ways, like clicking on a social share, clicking email this to a friend, something where an audience member is recommending you somehow.

    So clicking over to social media channel, clicking on share this podcast share this YouTube video, whatever the things that people can do to share stuff, again, you want to measure that and it needs to be discrete from other types of conversions.

    And the fifth one, of course, is exchange conversions.

    This is flat out commerce, right, you have bought something.

    You’ve signed an RFP, or an NDA or something that Google Analytics can see.

    Because it is web analytics software, but it really has very strong commercial intent, request a price quote, all of those exchange conversions.

    So that list entrance engagement, evaluation, expression, and exchange, are the five kinds of conversions I recommend people set up in any web analytics package doesn’t have to be just Google Analytics, any package of web analytics so that you can see what are people doing at each stage, how much is happening at each stage, and then you can measure percentage change from from one stage to the next.

    If you again, if you only measure conversions, you know, purchases and stuff, you’re gonna miss a lot of other things that you may not necessarily be able to to reverse engineer like, why are people not sharing our stuff? Why are people not engaging with our content? Why are people not watching our videos? You can’t know that from a conversion type this purely set to the very bottom of the funnel.

    You can only know that from measuring those specific activities and by measuring each stage in your customer journey with web analytics.

    You You can diagnose each state a lot more thoroughly.

    So those are the goals types that I generally recommend.

    Now, you can have different types of built in.

    So email link click PDFs, gated content and stuff, but they should each structurally fit in one of those five buckets, one of the five E’s so that’s that’s how I would get started.

    Good question.

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  • Mind Readings: Conference Swag and Competence

    Mind Readings: Conference Swag and Competence

    Conference swag should represent your brand in a positive way. Swag that is cheap or poorly made reflects poorly on your company.

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    In this episode, let’s talk about conference swag just a little bit, not a full review, although we’ve done reviews about stuff like that in the past on here, but let’s talk about conference swag and what it says about your company.

    If you’re going to exhibit at a conference, if you’re going to give stuff away, it should be reflective of your brand, right.

    And it should emphasize the positive aspects of your brand that you want to highlight that you want to, to be in sync, right? So your conference swag, if you’re going to give it away, should reflect who you are as a company and what you’re all about.

    So I’ll give you a couple of examples here.

    Because I think that it’s, it’s an important thing to keep in mind.

    So this is one from a company called, let’s sign it.

    And they give away a certificate that says, you know, scan this card to get a charity gift card, which is pretty clever, because it allows you to you the recipient, to get a $10 charity gift card, you can donate to the charity of your choice, your choice.

    So what does this say about this company, it says, this company, instead of spending money on some kind of tchotchke, that probably is going to end up in a landfill, they would like us to instead support other organizations, that’s a pretty cool idea.

    And yet, of course, they still managed to get all the sales stuff in so the the message is not getting lost.

    But I at least have an incentive to take this thing home and look at it first, before putting it in the recycling pile.

    Now, if you’re going to give away stuff, again, the stuff should reflect your brand and what you want to say about it.

    So let me give you an example.

    This is a multi headed cable from Linode full disclosure client on my employer.

    This is a USB A on one end, right here, which is the your your standard big old USB cut Jack.

    And then three heads at this end, we have USB, a micro which is the little six pin micro USB.

    We have a lightning cable for iPhones, and we have USB C connector.

    These three pins are the ones most commonly used for connecting phones to things right.

    So this is a technical piece of hardware.

    It’s an it’s a heavy duty braided cable, it feels nice.

    It seems very durable.

    And so from a from a technology perspective, Linode is a technical company they do server hosting, among other things.

    I use them for my email newsletter.

    Remember disclosure client at my company.

    This speaks well the company it says that, you know if they’re willing to invest because this is not an inexpensive cable, this is a pretty nice cable.

    braided cables are generally more expensive.

    This says that they are a tech, they feel like they are a technically competent organization that understands what somebody would value in technology, right? You want something that’s durable, you want something that is heavy duty, you want something that is really nice.

    This one here is from a company called Media next and same general idea, right? This is USB, micro lightning and USBC.

    And it’s got a little Winder reel.

    Now this cable is a fairly thin cable, it’s thin, it’s rubber insulated, it’s got this little springy thing that sometimes works, sometimes doesn’t.

    Cool idea, right? It’s it’s definitely fancy.

    It’s definitely a little bit flashy, you can tell that it’s going to have durability problems over time, but in a pinch, it’ll do and certainly obviously it’s it’s not bad.

    But again, the the spring and this, this wind is going to have some issues.

    Now, this company, I’m not going to name names because I don’t want to shame people unnecessarily.

    This is somebody, it’s a marketing technology company.

    They’re given this way there’s a USB A, which is this yellow one here.

    Then there is a micro USB, a mini USB six pin mini USB, which nobody uses anymore.

    I’m sorry, and there’s two micro USB so there’s no lightning and no USB C.

    This is from a technology company.

    It’s definitely on the flimsy side.

    These are thin rubber laminate cables, and there’s no USBC no lightning.

    This was made by a company that decided to go with the cheapest possible option, right? This is kind of junk.

    And I know this company, I know this company’s software

    and it kind of reflects the company kind of a flex their software, their software is okay ish.

    But it’s not great.

    It’s not.

    It’s troublesome to us it’s their support team was terrible when I worked with them a years ago.

    And it’s funny how the conference swag represents and is really a symbol of how that company does business.

    It’s, it’s not great.

    So if you’re going to do swag, we’ve given you a couple of different examples here.

    If you’ve got to do swag, do it in a way that reflects your company.

    And it’s brand and the message that you want to send to somebody when they pick the thing up, you know, a week from an event a month, a year, this Linode cable.

    I’ve been using this thing now for like six months.

    It’s durable, it’s held up well.

    And no surprise, my service with them as durable and has held up well.

    Also.

    Think about the message you’re sending to somebody.

    And if you can’t commit to building conference swag that represents your brand.

    Well, don’t do it.

    You’re better off not doing something than doing it.

    Doing it really poorly.

    Anyway, that’s the news for today.

    Thanks for tuning in.

    Talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Salary Transparency Pros and Cons?

    You Ask, I Answer: Salary Transparency Pros and Cons?

    Tim asks, “Is salary transparency a good thing or a bad thing in job listings?”

    Salary transparency is a good thing for job seekers and workers, as it allows them to see if they are being paid a fair wage for their role. It can also help to reduce discrimination and inequality within an organization.

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    In this episode, Tim asks, Is salary transparency a good thing or a bad thing? I guess it depends on your culture.

    Salary transparency matters for two different areas first is in job listings, right so that people can get a sense of how much does a given position pay? Now, transparency in job listings is good for the job seeker, because it allows you to look at a position say, okay, are they funding this position appropriately, it is less good for a company, obviously, because if everyone is publishing, salaries, on job listings, then the incentive is for job seekers, particularly for commodity jobs, to pick the highest paying company and apply their first right, so the companies that pay the most will naturally attract the most candidates, all other things being equal.

    That obviously is a problem for companies where you don’t have the budget to pay top dollar for position.

    Those folks who, you know, kind of like Google search listings, those folks who are in position three, or position 10, or page to have a set of job listings for listing by salary, they’re gonna have a harder time attracting talent.

    And in general, for the commercial sector, that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

    It’s certainly as good for workers, where it could cause issues would be for nonprofits, right, because generally speaking, nonprofits, can’t afford to pay as much as regular private sector companies, they just don’t have as much budget.

    But on the whole, I think it’s a good thing for job markets, because it makes salaries, something that is competitive that companies have to pay attention to, and pay commensurate to the need that they have for talent.

    Now, again, if you’re running a company like I do, I co own a company.

    That is a challenge, right.

    And so we would have to do other things to highlight.

    If we can’t pay top dollar for specific kinds of talent, we have to do other things to say, here’s some parts of working at ze Trust Insights that could make up for not having the biggest salaries listed.

    For example, we might have a culture that’s not toxic, right.

    So you will not be asked to work 90 hours a week to only get paid for 40, we might advertise that we are minority and women owned, right, if those are things that are important to you, we might advertise on our environmental practices, if that’s important to you.

    So just like price isn’t the only factor when you’re purchasing something.

    Salary is not the only thing that people consider with job listings.

    But it is one of the first things.

    And we are seeing trends now in the industry, particularly in places like California, where everybody has to list salaries.

    And again, that’s not a bad thing.

    It also can create extra churn within an organization, right? If you are working, say as an account executive at an agency, and you’re getting paid $46,000 a year, and you see a new job listing on your company site for account executive $49,000 a year you can legitimately go to your manager and say, Hey, why are we hiring for my exact role, but the you know, the new candidates getting paid $3,000 more.

    So those salary listings will likely create churn for people in existing roles, if a company does not step up the pay to match what is what is happening.

    Now, the knock on effects of this will be that companies will have to pay more, which again, not a bad thing, but then in turn will have to charge customers more.

    So there will be an inflationary aspect of that.

    But in terms of benefiting workers and benefiting job seekers, it’s a net good thing.

    Now the second angle where salary Transparency can come into play is within an organization itself.

    Should you be able to see what somebody else is getting paid.

    Again, right now, that’s a that’s an internal policy, there are companies that publish their salaries that publish exactly what a person makes.

    I’m not a fan of that.

    At the individual level, only because of some privacy stuff, right? Person disclosing their individual income, I think can be problematic.

    The intent is to highlight and and minimize or eliminate pay gaps.

    Where if you have say 10 people in an organization who are vice presidents,

    seven of them are male, three of them are female, and the seven males earn X dollars more than the three females who are in the exact same role.

    Or you have a case where you have you know, seven people Who are Caucasian and three people who are black and again, you have a salary disparity publishing salary listings, internally can help reduce or eliminate inequality within an organization.

    What I would prefer to see is that organizations move to a salary and pay system.

    Most of the federal government does, where there are grades, there’s a grade based on the title, right GS one, GS two, GS three, and an associated dollar amount.

    And then a seniority column, where if you have been a, if you’re a GS four, but you’re five years into your role, there’s an adjustment for being being that senior in that role.

    And then everybody gets paid the same, essentially, for that role.

    So if you are, if you are a GS five, but you’ve been in the in the role for seven years, you get x dollars.

    And if somebody else is a GS five, but they’ve only been in the organization for two years, they get this amount of dollars, and nobody has to guess, am I getting paid more or less than somebody else? Right, we all if you’re just five at at your seven, you get x, if you’re just five a year eight, you get x, that is to me very fair, it eliminates the ability for you to discriminate against somebody based on protected class characteristics like age, or gender, or sexual orientation or ethnicity.

    You are just in these roles, and then you get promoted based on those criteria.

    I think that probably is one of the most fair systems that you can come up with.

    All other things being equal.

    Now, are there exceptions to that rule? Of course there aren’t.

    But generally speaking, that’s a good way of handling it.

    So salary transparency, definitely a good thing for job listings, mostly a good thing for inside companies, for the purposes of reducing discrimination, for the purposes of creating more equality, and more compensation based on results.

    You know, that’s the other part that can be tricky.

    So if you are a salesperson, everyone should have the same base, right? So your base is 20,000 Are your draw is 20,000.

    And then your Commission’s are based on you know, whatever, whatever schedule you’ve got.

    So you could have a commission schedule for if you for your first $250,000 in sales, you get paid 6.7% For your next two and $50,000 in sales, you get paid 6.9%.

    So again, we’re not let allowing an organization to discriminate based on characteristics immaterial to the job, but you are allowed to pay people differently based on performance.

    A high performer high producer, makes $2 million in sales.

    Yeah, they should get higher and higher commissions, the bigger and the more they sell so that somebody has an incentive to sell $10 million worth of real estate or server appliances or private jets or whatever the thing is, you absolutely want to have pay and compensation be an incentive for performance and incentive for doing good work.

    And having again published set scale so that people know what to expect can be that incentive, someone’s like, I want to make more money, how do I make more money this year? And say, Okay, well, your bracket to 6.7%, you got to sell an extra quarter million dollars to get to bracket three, if you can do that your your commissions go up.

    So even in a case where you have commissions, having set numbers, and set schedules, increases fairness, and still keeps that motivation for people who want to work extra hard to want to get to that next level.

    It’s clear what the next level is.

    It’s clear how they get to what performance metrics they need to get to so good question.

    We could spend a whole bunch of time on on compensation stuff, but I think this is a good place to start.

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