As someone who worked in the student loan industry for years (2003-2010), loan cancelation ignores the fundamental problem, which is that there are no pricing controls AND no free market controls on tuition costs. In a truly free market, exorbitant prices would reduce demand and colleges would either have to cut prices or have fewer customers. In a controlled economy, we’d simply mandate prices. What we have is a Frankenstein’s monster of both – loans and lending pass the burden onto the customer over a long period of time and thus higher education institutions have no incentive to control costs.
The reason this is a problem is the nature of student loans. Because there’s no collateral, they are inherently high risk. If we had a truly free economy, no bank would ever loan a student money because it would be exceptionally costly to get it back if the student defaulted. Imagine a bank giving you a mortgage but with no house as collateral.
So why does this system exist? Because in the 20th century, the US government decided that higher education access was sort of important. It wasn’t really important or it would have been fully subsidized, and so a private/public coalition of banks and the government created the current system. To offset the risk of students simply not bothering to pay back loans, the US government became the underwriter of the program.
What happened next was predictable. Banks issued loans happily, knowing their loan was fully guaranteed by the government. In turn, colleges cashed in on students who suddenly had money and tuition prices skyrocketed. As a simple example, using the Federal Reserve Bank’s data from 1978 onwards, tuition since 1984 has gone up 8x. Regular household items went up only 2.8x in that time. Household income has only gone up around 20%, 1.2x in that time.
I witnessed this in 2006 when the Stafford Loan cap was increased. Within a week of the announcement, a consortium of colleges all increased their tuition in lockstep for the exact amount of the Stafford Loan increase. They couldn’t even wait a month.
I would have rather seen the $300 billion this program will cost go to nationalizing state-funded schools like the University of Massachusetts and make tuition free at all state and community colleges. That would reduce demand at other schools, forcing them to rationalize their pricing and value against a free alternative – especially with how cost effective distance learning programs can be. State run schools wouldn’t necessarily need to build extra campuses and buildings, just increase the scope and scale of online education.
Without something like that, there is still no incentive for higher education to control its prices, which means we’ve just passed the buck again.
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Lots of posts about what’s appropriate in the workplace/on LinkedIn/etc. What’s appropriate? The answer varies wildly, is always contextual, and generally revolves around not causing harm.
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In today’s episode, let’s talk about what’s appropriate.
On LinkedIn, in particular, LinkedIn, I see this way the most on LinkedIn.
People are creating tons of content, tons, about what’s appropriate, what’s appropriate in the workplace, what kind of attire is appropriate in workplaces, are tattoos appropriate in the workplace, et cetera, et cetera.
And then those folks who are sort of the self appointed LinkedIn police, this content is not appropriate for LinkedIn.
jokes don’t belong here.
There was so much controversy, artificially created controversy about LinkedIn adding the funny reaction to a lot of its content, like that reaction has no bit place of business.
And that was like, I would hate to work at your company if things aren’t allowed to be funny, and you’re not allowed to laugh.
If you don’t want to work for you.
But that got me thinking, what does this mean, something’s appropriate or inappropriate, and who decides what that is? Obviously, in the case of the self appointed LinkedIn police, they and it is almost always a very specific demographic that is behaves like LinkedIn police.
I don’t need to name it, you can even look at yourself.
But who decides what’s appropriate? The answer varies wildly, like really wildly.
It’s always contextual.
But I would say that if you needed a benchmark for what’s appropriate, and what’s not, it revolves around not causing harm.
Right? If you have tattoos on your body, and you come into the office, and I’m in the office, does that cause me personally harm? Me? The answer is no.
Just in general.
Now, does your body do with it whenever you want? If your body is covered in tattoos that are wildly racist, and are supporting a point of view that says you would like to subjugate me because of the color of my skin.
Does that cause me harm? Sure does.
Does putting up a blog post or a piece of content or a meme on LinkedIn? That is just the usual like dad joke or whatever? Or a bit of clickbait? Does that cause me harm? No.
Does promoting an economic policy that would disenfranchise people who look like me people who are my nationality? Does that cause me harm? Yeah, yeah, it would.
And so if there were to be a standard for what isn’t is not appropriate.
I would argue the standard should be around causing or not causing harm.
You will see a lot of people arguing about whether something was woke or not.
Woke is just kind of a condensed way of saying, Will this content cause harm? Right? If you are using language that inherently hurts other people, has nothing to do with being woke it has to do with you’re causing harm, right? Think about the pandemic.
What happens if you call the COVID disease? A China virus what happens is you get more violence and discrimination against people of Chinese ethnic origin.
And for good or ill most people in the Western world can’t tell the difference between someone who’s Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc.
And so people who look like me, are harmed by that.
So changing the name from the Wuhan strain to COVID, you know, clade 19, a COVID.
COVID-19.
A does not say discriminate against a certain group of people.
It just says this is what this thing is.
Just like we have Omicron, ba five, right.
As opposed to the South African variant, right, that is going to create harm.
So what’s appropriate in the workplace, what’s appropriate on LinkedIn, what’s appropriate wherever? Probably shouldn’t cause harm, right? Ideally, should make the world or at least your your corner of the world a better place, a happier place, etc.
But I would also say that, especially on places like LinkedIn, less so in the workplace because it’s hard to do at the workplace, but especially on LinkedIn,
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to the folks who are sort of the self appointed LinkedIn police.
If you don’t like something just hit that unfollow button, right.
Want to follow, I would remove that your connection to that person, it’s so much easier to do that than tilting it the windmills of social media.
If, if that’s how you spend your time.
You can spend your time however you want, but it might suggest there might be more valuable things you could do with your time.
Again, that, to me, that doesn’t apply if you’re causing harm.
If you’re putting up content on any social network that isn’t overtly racist or sexist or any guest and I see it.
I’m going to hit that report button, because it’s causing harm.
You putting up clickbait, about your your point of view on your industry doesn’t cause me harm.
That’s fine.
If I don’t want to see it.
I’ll just unfollow.
So what’s your thoughts about what’s appropriate or not? Again, I think it’s contextual, but I think the standard of not causing harm is a pretty good one.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks for tuning in.
I’ll talk to you soon.
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The role of brand is to create trust. Brand is a series of experiences and the cumulative impact, and ultimately the outcome we’re after is trust. Thus every bit of marketing that touches branding MUST be about building trust for it to succeed in the big picture.
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In this episode, let’s talk about brand.
What is brand? The best definition I’ve heard is by a comedian named Jay Frank back in 2006.
He had a show back then, before YouTube shows and stuff before pot well was contemporaneous early podcasts.
But in one of the episodes of the show, which was called the show, he said brand is the emotional aftertaste of a series of experiences.
Brand is the emotional aftertaste of a series of experiences.
And that expression has stuck with me for the last 16 years is such a powerful statement.
He went on to say, that’s why you can sell grandma’s cookies, which has an emotional aftertaste.
And that old people’s cookies is the level about that 16 years later.
That’s brand new, there’s an emotional aftertaste.
So what is the role of brand? And what is the role of that emotional aftertaste.
We talked a lot about in marketing, branding, and brand campaigns and brand building and stuff.
But what does that actually mean? I would submit that the role of brand is to create trust.
Brand is a series of experiences.
That emotional aftertaste and the cumulative impact.
But the emotional aftertaste we’re after is trust affinity, right? Ultimately, a transaction, a sale revenue, a customer is a statement of trust, I open up my wallet and I give you money.
And I give you this money.
And you give me the service or this product.
Ultimately, I’m trusting you with this representation of my time and effort, right? These things.
Right, these things, oh, the fifth column calls them power coupons, which I think is a kind of a fun way of thinking about them.
But these things are your time, your knowledge, your effort, all condensed and flattened into a two dimensional object, mostly two dimensional object, right? This is your effort.
In the transaction in the sale, I am essentially saying I’m going to take this thing that is a representation of my hard work, and I’m going to give it to you.
I’m going to give it to you.
And in return, you’re going to give me something that is commensurate in value with this thing, right? If I give you this thing for a loaf of bread, right? This in the United States of America, this would be a very expensive loaf of bread, a loaf of bread is around three to 42 If it’s not very good bread.
And you can get some loaves of bread and the artisanal loaves of bread for like five or six or 7 depending on where you’re where you live and where you shop.
But 10 bucks would be a very expensive loaf of bread.
And so I’m trusting you that if I buy your artisanal, handmade, organic, non GMO loaf of bread, that the value I receive in return, the experience of eating your bread will be worth what I paid for it.
Right? I trust you.
And if I eat your loaf of bread, and it’s no better than the2 supermarket loaf of bread, then that trust is broken.
Your your product service did not live up to what I paid for it.
Now if that loaf of bread cost $1 instead of 10.
I would probably feel pretty good about right like Hey, I got the same quality as the supermarket but it was half the cost the supermarket I would feel happy instead of unhappy because the transaction was commensurate with a transaction was a better value.
So all sales is ultimately about trust a sale is an expression of trust.
A brand than is the echo of that trust, every experience that I have with a brand either reinforces the trust that the brand has or diminishes it.
Right, it reinforces or it diminishes the gaming company raise Sir, makes a lot of really good gear, right? This mouse that I use really, really nice mouse.
I have come to trust them for their gear.
I got the
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I don’t remember, this is called now select the backbone, but it’s a gaming controller for your phone.
I’m not as impressed with this.
Right? This is okay.
But it’s not the experience that I have with this.
So in this sale in this transaction, my level of trust in the brand has gone down a little right? series of experiences and the emotional aftertaste, the emotional aftertaste, this product is mild satisfaction.
Okay.
It does what it say it says it did.
But it doesn’t feel very good.
And it’s missing some features that’s competitors have.
Do that enough.
And my trust in the brand overall will go down.
So if we want our brands to do well, we have to build trust in them.
We have to create trust, by many cases giving more value than we’re taking, right? If I as the customer give you this, this flattened representation of my efforts 10 of it, and you give me what I perceive to be $20 of value back.
Trust goes up, trust goes up like wow, that was a really good bargain.
That was a really good deal.
I feel like the exchange was in my favor.
I give you this and I get 5000 value back trust goes down, right.
And the emotional aftertaste is sour, or bitter, and the bitter aftertaste of a transaction.
So how do you put this into play? The first most important thing you need to be doing is doing market research and asking people how do you feel about our brand? What is the likelihood that you’re going to purchase from us in the next 90 days? That is NPS scores, Net Promoter Scores? Use a question all the time.
That is a proxy question for trust.
How much do you trust us? If you intend to purchase from us in the next 90 days you trust us? Because otherwise you wouldn’t be doing that? asking somebody? What is your intent to recommend our brand in the next 90 Days to a colleague or friend? Again, that’s a that is actually a bigger trust question.
Because now, we are asking, are you willing to put your own reputation on the line to recommend us? It’s a big trust question.
If all of your work in marketing and branding is about name recognition, and stuff, and you’re not thinking about whether or not you invoke trust, you might want to pause and say, Do we invoke trust? What does that look like? How do we measure it that’s unique to our company, its products and services? And then how can we increase the trust that we engender within someone? If you answer that question, a lot of the other things that you think about with brand like brand awareness and stuff will kind of take care of themselves.
I mean, you’ll still want to do promotion stuff, but word of mouth is timeless.
Word of mouth has been around since we could speak right since words could come out of our mouths.
And it is still the most powerful marketing channel there is.
Word of mouth is powered by trust.
Sales is powered by trust and your brand is powered by trust.
So make sure that you are behaving in a trustworthy way.
That’s it for this episode.
Thanks for tuning in.
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In today’s episode, more commentary on AI and creativity.
A lot of folks have expressed unhappiness and concern, maybe even a little dismay at how good the newer creative models coming out of labs like your litho AI GPT, from open AI, and so on and so forth, how good these libraries are at creating and being creative.
And a lot of folks have had very heated discussions about whether or not AI can truly be creative or not.
I mean, the answer is it depends, right? It’s like people arguing whether art created by AI is art.
Art is in the eye of the beholder.
I mean, there’s plenty of art that I look at and go.
I don’t get it.
I just don’t understand.
There was a piece at the, I want to say was the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
I saw it in person it was, it was controversial.
It might it might have been the American Museum of Art in DC.
It was a jar of urine with a with a crucifix in it.
It was a political statement of some kind, but I looked at it when I don’t get it.
To me.
That’s not That’s not what I look for.
In art.
It is art.
But it is not.
Art for me.
This lovely thing, Haley move the camera a little bit.
Right, this is the result of a water gun in the backyard.
It’s Is it art.
If you like it, it is you don’t like it’s just random decor.
I saw another piece at a museum that was a three foot by three foot, Canvas painted blue looks at and went.
I don’t get it meant something to the Creator.
It means something to a percent of the audience.
A percentage of the audience looks at that goes, Wow, I get it.
It’s deep.
It’s moving.
It’s it’s powerful.
And I’m sitting here going, I don’t get it.
Given how broad and subjective art is.
My answer to whether AI can create art or not is yes, it absolutely can create art, whether it’s art that you like, or I like is immaterial, it can create art because art is is always in the eye of the beholder.
If you didn’t know that a machine created it.
Would you say that was art or not? They pull up a piece here.
So this is something I asked open AIS dolly to about.
I said make me a painting of a field of sunflowers with pigeons in it.
wearing hats.
Is his art.
If you didn’t know that a machine made that if I just told you I made that.
Would you say it was art? Probably may or may not be very good.
But you will probably say yeah, that’s alright.
Here’s the important part about all this.
AI is not going to replace artists it’s not going to replace humans are in the process of art.
But it’s going to dramatically widen the field of art.
It’s going to dramatically increase the amount of art we create.
Why? I’m not a very good artist, right? I can sort of paint color in the in the lines and stuff.
paint by numbers.
I can draw.
Sorta could I have created that painting of a field of sunflowers with pigeons wearing hats? I probably could have created something like it but not as good.
That is an example of creativity by proxy.
I have the creative impulse, the desire, the ambition.
I have the idea I want to bring into the world but I don’t have the skills.
I don’t have the abilities.
AI gives me the ability is by proxy.
I direct the machine to create it I look at the outputs.
And I say that one or not that one or that one, and so on and so forth.
And so it enables my creativity
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in ways that no technology no other technology could write, I would have to go to art school for months, maybe years to create that style of art in a way that looks similar in quality to what a machine created with a prompt for me.
It’s still my idea.
It’s still, the creative impulse came from me, the machine did not just generate that randomly, the machine took a sentence from me paint a field of sunflowers with pigeons in it, wearing hats.
And then it did the work.
And so this creativity by proxy, where the machine is the proxy, is what’s going to change the field of creativity.
Because suddenly, you will have a lot of a lot more expression of creativity, people saying, Yeah, I can’t paint, I can’t draw, I can’t compose music, and a machine saying I can do those skills, I have those skills, but I don’t have the creative impulse.
So the human provides the impulse, and then the machine does the work.
And then you could have situations where a human artist fine tunes it get takes the output from the machine and says, Okay, you did a mostly good job here.
But when we pick, touch this up here, and maybe change the clouds here, and the painting, and so on and so forth.
That is where humans can continue to add value, even in an AI generated piece, they can take the output, and improve upon it add uniquely human touches to it.
But let’s be honest, this piece of art that I generated, I made this for a friend of mine.
It’s good enough, right? It’s good enough? Did it take away labor or money from an artist? No, it didn’t.
Why not? Because instead of me having a machine to instead of paying a human, what it really did was, it created the art where the art simply would not have existed before there was an idea in my head, it would never have left my head, it would have stayed in there and eventually vaporized.
And so this creativity by proxy by machines is going to dramatically widen the field of creativity and the the body of work that the human race all of us can offer.
Because for a substantial portion of us, we are no longer limited by our lack of skills, right? Our creative impulses can be channeled by proxy by machine.
And it’s not going to take away art from people we would have paid to begin with, it’s going to manifest a lot of art that never makes it out of people’s heads.
Right.
And that’s a wonderful thing.
That is a wonderful thing if we can get more people being more creative.
When we get to the point where machines can start generating video, right? Imagine what that will do for filmmaking.
Not because it’s going to take money away from the big Hollywood studios, it’s not, they may use it for process efficiency to improve the speed and reduce the cost of their outputs for sure.
But all the indie filmmakers, people like me, maybe there’s a movie in me, I don’t have the ability, I don’t have the money.
I don’t have the talent to create a feature film.
But if we get to a point in a few years where the compute power is available, I may be able to make a feature film just with a series of prompts.
Make a scene with two women drinking coffee at a table discussing their romance.
Right.
And machine may generate that and I might need to fine tune it.
But that might be enough to help me make a film that right now I can’t.
So I am cautiously optimistic about the technology today.
I am enormously optimistic about where it’s going, and what it will allow us to create because when our creative impulses are not shackled by talent, and people can express themselves really express themselves artistically.
And they may not have time have had time and life to acquire the skills that you’re going to see a true renaissance of what is in people’s heads.
I think that’s gonna be a lot of fun.
So that’s today’s thoughts.
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From time to time as I create content, I’ll get feedback from people – usually on political topics – advising me in fairly coarse language to “stay in your lane”. Here’s why this is universally bad advice.
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Hey it’s complaints Week.
In this episode, let’s talk about a complaint I receive a lot.
From time to time as I create content, I will get feedback from people, usually on political topics, advising me in fairly coarse language to stay in your lane.
This is almost universally bad advice for everybody, not just for me, not just for content creators, but for everybody.
For two reasons.
One, the obvious reason and a good piece of advice is don’t take criticism from people for with whom you would not seek advice, right? If you wouldn’t go to this person to ask advice, ignore criticism from them as well.
But the bigger picture is this idea of staying in your lane of do the thing that I expect you to do, right? So if someone is watching videos, or content from me, their expectation is probably stuff around marketing, or data, etc.
And probably not stuff around politics.
However, if you step back and look at the bigger picture, like for example, My undergraduate degree is in political science, I have a degree in political science with a focus on stateless transnational terrorism, that was a mouthful back in the 90s.
Turns out, that was actually would have been a good field to go into.
Because for years after I got my degree was 911.
But needless to say, politics is in my lane, I literally have a degree in it.
But it’s not what I’m known for.
And that’s okay, as content creators.
And as, frankly, human beings.
You should feel free, particularly on channels you own, maybe not so free on like, you know, the company channel where you’re representing more than just yourself, but certainly on your own personal accounts, you should feel free to express the whole of your being not just one aspect.
Maybe you do have a political perspective, maybe you do have a religious perspective, a cultural perspective, a gender based perspective, whatever that is.
Staying in your lane implies, putting away all those other things that are part of you that are part of who you are.
And that’s really bad advice.
For two reasons.
One, it’s creatively stifling.
One of the things that I view as one of my more useful skills is the ability to take ideas from one domain to another, if I can take an idea from this domain, which is may not be related to say marketing, and move it into marketing.
I can bring more value into marketing, because it’s something new, it’s something fresh.
For example, I bring a lot of ideas from biostatistics into marketing, because things like survivability in biostatistics easily translate into things like campaign effectiveness in marketing, right, it’s you’re still measuring the survival of something except that in the marketing side, the stakes are a whole lot lower.
I bring a lot of quantitative ideas from finance into marketing, things like a moving average convergence, divergence indicator.
That’s a stock market technique.
But it works really well, with certain types of marketing data, actually works better with marketing data than it does with stock data a lot of the time.
If I stayed in my lane, if I took these, these people’s advice, I wouldn’t know to do that.
I wouldn’t think to do that.
I wouldn’t think that was an appropriate way to add value.
When I talk about things like bodily autonomy, like everyone, regardless of gender, should have bodily autonomy.
Other people should not be coercing you to do things with your body that you don’t want to do.
Understanding the motivations of people which is a lot of psychology, guess what that translates into marketing.
Now you may or may not want to hear about bodily autonomy and that’s fair if you don’t want to hear me or any creator talking about a topic unsubscribe or just skip that episode or on so on and so forth.
That’s totally fine.
It’s just as it’s a creators, right to create whatever they want, obviously, within whatever boundaries they have with their employer, if that’s applicable.
It’s your Right, as a member of the audience to say, you know, not my thing today, I’m not I’m not interested in this one just sort of pass on it.
And I think that’s part of where
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people have gotten lost.
People have gotten lost in realizing their own power to say, and I want, Scott shut us off, I’m gonna do something else in my time.
And that’s a skill that’s going to be really, really important in the next in the coming years and decades.
as technologies continue to improve as our ability as marketers as our ability as creators, to deliver more and more immersive content to people improves, we, as the audience have to have the willpower, the self awareness and the self respect, just push the off button, say, you know, Next, click, rather than violently react to content that we’re not being we’re not compelled to consume, not paid to consume.
And it may not benefit us.
There are plenty of episodes of podcasts that I tune into that I’ve skipped like, yeah, that’s not interested in this one.
Is there’s content of every kind.
Every now and again, this this, there’s one like, yep, that’s not.
That’s not for me.
As creators, one of the things we can do to help our audiences is Mark stuff, label it.
When I did the piece on abortion rights.
I said, Hey, this is a political piece of big letters.
This is a political piece.
So that if that wasn’t your thing, you knew upfront, this is not my thing.
Click Next.
And so I have, I have relatively little sympathy for folks who see the warning and then get upset that it was a piece of content that upset them, even though it came with a warning.
So that’s today’s mind reading.
Stay in your lane is bad advice.
It’s bad advice.
It’s condescending advice to but it’s bad advice.
Because outside of your lane is where all the good stuff is that you can bring into your lane, make your lane wider, and make you a better creator, a better marketer, a better human being.
And people dispensing that advice.
For the most part, that advice is pretty safe to ignore.
Right? Unless it’s somebody you really respect Hey, and I’ve thoroughly trusted to say, tell me when I’m going off course.
What that advice in in the spam bin, you know, just just let it go.
Anyway, that’s today’s mind reading.
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I’ll talk to you soon.
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I’ve noticed over the last week a sharp increase in spammy invoices from PayPal vendors. They’re legit emails in that they’re from PayPal, but they’re with vendors I’ve never done business with. BEWARE! Just because someone sends you an invoice doesn’t mean you need to pay it.
What’s On My Mind: PIGS In Your Marketing Strategy
One of the most useful frameworks for marketing strategies and marketing campaigns is something I call PIGS. It’s a derivation of several works over the years, all the way from E. St. Elmo Louis’ AIDA framework in 1898, but PIGS is my variant mainly because it’s more fun to say. If you’ve sat through any of my talks on the topic, you know how much delight I take in it.
So, what is PIGS? PIGS stands for problem, impact, general solution, specific solution. Let’s talk through each of these phases and what they mean for our marketing capabilities.
The first challenge is the problem. What is the problem the customer has? More important, does the customer understand that they have the problem? Problem awareness is one of the biggest blind spots for self-centered marketers because we assume that everyone knows what the problem is. Implicit in the declaration that “everyone needs our company’s products/services” is the assumption that everyone has the problem we solve. We know rationally that’s not true for almost everyone except industries like the funeral industry – death is a problem everyone eventually has.
If the top of your funnel is empty or thinner than it should be, then you haven’t done a good job marketing the problem.
The second challenge is the impact. This is an area that I and my company struggle with a lot. The customer understands the problem but doesn’t understand the impact of the problem. My partner Katie Robbert talks about this quite a bit, especially with scenario planning – what’s the impact if you do nothing? In our marketing communications, we absolutely have to make the case that not only is there a problem, but there’s an impact if you don’t solve the problem, or you choose the wrong partner to solve the problem. You’ll hear this in dry boardroom lingo like “presenting the business case” for a project – that’s just an overcomplicated way of saying what the problem’s impact is. If you can’t communicate the impact, the need to solve the problem, then your marketing is going to fail. I run into this a lot with analytics – a lot of people understand they have an analytics problem, but the impact isn’t clear until the problem is really big, and then it’s too late to fix it.
If the number one reason for lost business deals or customers is “no decision”, then you haven’t done a good job marketing the impact.
The third challenge is the general solution. This is education, educating the customer that the problem and the impact are solvable. There is a way out of the pain you’re in, and the general solution is X. You’re hungry – that’s the problem. You know you get hangry – that’s the impact. The general solution is to eat something. Now, in some cases, the solution itself may not be known and therefore customers need education that the solution even exists. Ever hear those ads on late night TV (or in memes about late night TV) that start with that overexaggerated, “ARE YOU TIRED OF MOWING YOUR LAWN IN STRAIGHT LINES?” That’s marketing the general solution. The problem and impact are clear, but the customer may not know that the general solution exists.
If the middle of your funnel is thinner than it should be, then that may be a sign that you’re not educating about the solution in general. People can’t pick you until they understand what they’re picking in general.
The final challenge is the specific solution – us. Our company. Our products, our services, our people. This is where marketers are most comfortable, because we love to talk about ourselves. But you can see that talking about ourselves is only appropriate once someone has made it through the first three steps. If someone doesn’t know they have a problem, or they don’t know the impact of the problem, or they don’t know a solution category exists, then our marketing is going to fall on deaf ears. We may as well market to our customers’ pets for all the good it will do. Now, that said, if you can’t convey the benefits of your products and services as the specific solution which provides clarity on the general solution, then that’s where you need to tune up your messaging.
If the bottom of your funnel is thinner than it should be, then you need to work on the marketing around your specific solution. It’s a sign that you haven’t figured that out if you’re losing to named competitors all the time – the customer understands the problem, the impact, and the general solution but they didn’t pick you as the specific solution.
That’s PIGS. Problem, impact, general solution, specific solution. Here’s where marketers fall down: they don’t understand where in the PIGS framework their biggest issues are. If you go through the framework and you find that your customers are getting lost at impact, but all your marketing campaigns are focused on your specific solution, then you’re going to see terrible results.
Your marketing campaigns should always have elements of each of the PIGS stages in market. You should be educating about the problem. You should be explaining the impact. You should be walking through the general solution. And for people who make it that far, your efforts to help them, to provide them value, should make you the obvious choice as the specific solution unless your product or service is a wildly bad fit.
Even better, if you know where your customers are in the PIGS framework, you can tailor marketing and communications messages to them. How can you learn this? Well, the easiest way is to ask them and listen carefully to their answers while NOT pushing your products and services. Remember, you can’t skip to you as the specific solution if the customer hasn’t gone through the previous stages, any more than you can skip to being happily married for 20 years without actually living through those two decades.
That’s PIGS. Bring it into your own marketing as a diagnostic to understand where you’re falling down and how you could do better.
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In today’s episode, Ali asks, When should we use an external agency? And when should we use freelancers? That’s a really interesting question.
Because there’s a whole bunch of different ways to answer this.
The reason you bring in any external party is because of a lack of resources, right, you have some resource deficiency in your own organization that you can’t address.
And therefore, you can’t get business done without filling that gap somehow.
And your two main resources are a partner company, and a partner, individual freelancer, which one you choose, I think, depends to some degree on on the type of need.
Fundamentally, there’s two gaps that we’re looking to fill, right, we’re either looking to fill a time gap, meaning we have the capabilities to do these things, we just don’t have the time, right, we don’t have enough people to get all the work done.
That’s one gap time gap.
The second gap is a skills gap saying we have the we have enough people on staff, we have enough time, we don’t have the skills to pull it off.
Right.
So if you think about something like exploratory data analysis, or machine learning, modeling, those are things where you might not have those skills in house.
And so you would bring in a partner of some kind to fill that gap.
And of course, you can have a situation where you can have both a lack of time and a lack of skill.
Generally speaking, when you hire a freelancer, you are hiring for a skill that they have that can can backfill, mostly time issues, right? Like, we’re creating content marketing, we’ve got four writers, but we really need seven.
So we’re going to bring in three additional freelancers.
That usage of of the contract individual, the partner individual, lets you expand your workforce effectively, right, it’s like adding more employees.
When you bring in an agency, you’re less bringing in more employees and more bringing in like a different department almost like a different entity.
And that tends to be better suited for a gap in skill.
Right? If you just don’t have the skills on a team to do machine learning modeling, you bring in an agency that you will have, do those things.
There’s also an aspect of risk involved.
Right, freelancers are fairly low risk, right? They’re individuals that you bring in, may maybe do, maybe they do the thing, maybe they don’t do the thing, but because their contract individuals, everything is work for hire, and everything is at will meaning.
Tomorrow, you can say the freelancer, you know, we’re good, we don’t need any more help.
So our work here is done for now.
And presumably, that would be in the contract that you both signed with agencies, because it’s a larger entity, and it’s typically more expensive than freelancer.
You as the purchaser of services can ask for more, you can say, hey, I want a certain minimum level of quality, I want a service level agreement, I want this, this this and this as part of the contract and at the agency.
The agency will negotiate and say okay, well, if you pay this, you can get this, you can pay this, you can get this, if you want evenings and weekends, we can do that.
But it’s going to cost you X percent more on the contract, because we have to bring our resources to provide that coverage.
So in cases where you have higher risk, having an agency, which is a company as a legal entity, may be the better choice because you can require them to accept more of the risk, right? A freelancer, it’s really attempt to say like, Hey, you know, we need you to work evenings and weekends, you may get some freelancers who be willing to do that.
But it’s a lot, I think, less convenient to do that than it is to simply put that in a scope of work of an agency and say, Hey, you will provide 24 by seven coverage of this contract.
And then if the agency doesn’t do that, you can have it you can then enforce a service level agreement, say, Hey, this is what we agreed to.
This is what you delivered.
And these are the gaps between the two.
So I would say those are generally how you might want to think about deciding when to use an agency a Wendy’s freelancer, one is filling,
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predominantly time, adding effectively additional employees and one is bringing in capabilities that you might not have another Their aspect is scale.
When you hire a freelancer, you know that you’re hiring a person, right? This person can do this thing.
And, and they effectively have a scale, right? They have a skill limit, they’re one person and you know, 40 hours a week or even 60 hours a week, you can get stuff out of them.
But they have limits.
Theoretically, theoretically, an agency doesn’t have a scale issue, you say, here’s 20,000 a month, I expected this amount of output, whether it’s done by one person, three people, five people, we don’t care, this is what we’re buying, we’re buying this level of output from you.
And it is then incumbent upon the agency to figure out its own staffing internally as to how to meet that output.
That can get really expensive, because some agencies do bill by the hour they build by their labor costs.
So you have an account coordinator who bills at 125 an hour, you have an account manager who bills at 175 an hour, and so on and so forth.
And that those time based agencies that can get real expensive, real fast, but fundamentally, an agency theoretically does not have a scale limit.
As long as you’re willing to pay more, you theoretically can get as much work out of the agency as you want.
And again, that’s a limitation that a freelancer simply can’t do, because they’re just one person.
So those would be my answers.
I think there’s a lot of wiggle room, I think you can certainly hire a freelancer based on the skill gap that you don’t have.
And that might not necessarily be a bad idea, you might even go to have a try before you buy, right you hire a freelancer who to build statistical models, you find this freelancer, they really terrific.
And you say, hey, look, what’s it going to cost us to just give you a full time contract, right, and you convert them to an employee.
That’s another aspect, by the way, with agencies that it can be very challenging it can be if it’s not specified in the contract, it can be a very, very, very ugly fight.
If you actually want to hire contract talent from an agency, some agencies are more forward thinking ones have essentially a purchase program, right? Hey, if you hire one of our people, you have to pay us 42% of their base salary as the referral fee, right? Because you’re, you’re effectively taking talent away from us.
Somebody just needs to have that that provision built in.
Whereas freelancers, you know, it’s an as an individual, so you, you could theoretically make a persuasive argument to say like, yeah, we’ll pay you, whatever, whatever you want, we just want you to come work for us.
So lots of different considerations about agency or freelancer.
There are, there are some agencies that do charge a lot of money.
And those are cases where you might look into the value that you’re getting, and say, you know, you might be better off with us a stable of freelancers, we would have to absorb the management cost of managing the Freelancers, and the Freelancer relationships, but you might make that up on the backend, because you’re not paying225 an hour for for somebody’s time, you might be paying a freelancer, you know, market competitive, but still substantially less, because agencies typically charge agencies typically charge anywhere from two to 4x, what they’re paying, so if they’re paying a person, you know, 40,000 a year, which is about 20 bucks an hour, they’re gonna bill out that person 100 bucks an hour,125 now, and so on, and so forth.
With a freelancer, you’re probably looking at most of the time, you know, oh, 1.52x, maybe 3x.
Their, their rates and stuff.
So for the same skill set, you might be paying less, again, highly variable depends on the market you’re in.
But those are considerations to the one thing I think is really important to say is, no matter whether you’ve got an agency or a freelancer, you’ve got to be super, super clear about deliverables.
And expectations, setting expectations, community expectations, and when you’ve communicate an expectation is not met, you got to let people know.
And almost all contracts that you sign that if they’re any good, do have some kind of provision to say like, Look, you didn’t meet the objective, or you didn’t do what you said you were gonna do.
And so we’ve got to figure out whether there’s a fee reversal or something for that, and, again, those cases where agencies probably will have more more documentation than some freelancers will about how to handle disputes when it comes to output.
So that’s something to think about as well.
So really good question.
We could spend a whole bunch of time on this, but those would be some good starting points to think about.
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In today’s episode, Lauren asks, How should people track the progress and success, their marketing campaigns? And that’s an open ended question, isn’t it? The short answer is, you need software at each stage of the customer journey appropriate to your business that can measure what’s going on.
Right.
So if you are selling things to people, you probably need some kind of customer relationship management software CRM, if you are marketing to people individually and want to understand sort of personally identifying marketing performance.
Marketing automation is how you’re going to do that.
If you are marketing people in aggregate, particularly digitally, web analytics software is going to be where you’re going to measure that.
And then above that are individual channel systems like your Facebook ads, or your Twitter ads, or your YouTube stats, all those things sort of fit in at the top of the funnel, or at the beginning of the customer’s journey.
How you track that depends on your level of sophistication, and how comfortable you are with numbers.
Right? So sort of the baseline is at each stage of the customer journey where you have discrete behaviors, awareness, consideration, evaluation, and purchase etc.
You should have some kind of KPI something that says Like if this number goes the wrong way, we’re going out of business, right? So if you have a podcast, and your podcast subscription numbers, right, go to zero, guess what your podcast is done, right? It’s a no, no listeners means no podcast.
So that would be an example of a KPI.
Things like you know, duration of Listen, or things like that those are not numbers that are as critical as like, just nobody’s listening to the show anymore.
So at a bare minimum, for each stage of your customer journey, you need a KPI and possibly some supporting metrics in the relevant system at that stage of the customer journey, and then track the fallout among different systems and stages, right.
So if you have awareness, and maybe you have search traffic come to your website, you have consideration and evaluation, people trying to understand, you know, which podcast should they listen to.
And then you have purchase, which in this case, could be purchasing something from your business, or just the act of subscribing to your show, maybe that’s what you consider a purchase, because your real business model is selling advertising.
If that’s the case, then you would use the attribution modeling built into the, you know, the appropriate system at the appropriate stage of the journey to understand what, what worked, what was driving people to take the actions you wanted them to take that lead to the outcome that you care about.
That’s that’s the base level, the more advanced answer is using data science, and maybe maybe some machine learning software to build a really big table of all of your metrics, and then isolate one key outcome one really big KPI something that is sort of make or break.
And then you build a multiple regression analysis and say, okay, of all the potential variables we have here of all the data we have, which ones alone or in combination, have the strongest mathematical relationship to the outcome we care about, which presumably is a revenue, number of some kind for most marketers.
And once you do that, you have sort of a, an understanding of the variable importance, right? Maybe Twitter followers matters, maybe it doesn’t maybe podcast listeners matters.
Maybe it doesn’t.
You won’t know until you do that math until you do that analysis.
And then once you’ve done that analysis, then you can start seeing, okay, these are the channels that statistically likely contributed most to the outcome we care about.
And once you have that, you can start building testing plans and say, Okay, well, maybe Twitter followers really is the thing for our business.
So what happens if we double our Twitter followers? Do we see a commensurate increase a doubling of the outcome, we care about leads or sales or whatever? If you double the number of Twitter followers you have and the number of leads you get doesn’t double accordingly, then you know that there was just a correlation there not a causation, right.
You ran a test and the test showed that there wasn’t a causal relationship between the two.
That’s the more advanced way to track the progress and success of your marketing campaigns is to see a Did something happen and be was there a causal relation chip for it.
There are other statistical techniques that are more niche that you can use to also hint causality.
But they require a bit more technical bloodiness than then we’re going to talk about right now.
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Once you’ve got all that data, then you have to assemble it into a story.
Right? Here’s each stage of our customer journey.
Here’s the performance.
Each stage has the performance and the fallout between each of the stages.
And then you can say to your stakeholders, here’s the stage that is losing the most people.
And that’s what we’re going to focus is going to be for the next quarter is mitigating the losses, from this stage to that stage.
That’s how you make improvements to your marketing campaigns.
That’s how you improve overall, what’s going on.
And really demonstrate your value as a marketer, because it’s easy to just do a bunch of things and just hand somebody a report.
But to be able to document and say this is the root cause of our problems.
And here’s how we’re tackling it shows a lot of value, a lot of initiative, a lot of cleverness and something that stakeholders love to see.
So that’s the short, not particularly detailed answer into how you track the progress and success of marketing campaigns.
A lot of is based on having the right people or skills, right, the right processes, including good data and clean data, and the right platforms at each stage of the customer journey so that you can tell that story with data from step to step stage to stage if you don’t have the right people, the right processes, the right platforms.
It’s very difficult to show not only the success of a marketing program or marketing campaign, but also to show what isn’t working and why it remains guesswork and guessing is generally the least preferred solution.
So good question.
We can spend a whole bunch of time talking about tracking across the customer journey, but I think that’s a good starting point.
Thanks for asking.
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In today’s episode, Lauren asks, What will podcast marketing be like in five years? Lauren, if I had the answer to this question, we wouldn’t be having this conversation because I’d be retired, right? I’d have cashed out on what was going to be hot.
And and we’re all set.
No, in all seriousness, if you look back at podcast marketing over the last, you know, 16 1718 years, what has remained the same is the concept of the show, right? The show itself is this entity that you tune into.
And there’s presumably some type of entertainment that you can’t get anywhere else by, maybe it’s a friend, or a respected colleague, or an entertainment personality.
There is a way to subscribe to it to have it delivered to you that’s unlikely to change, right, because it’s built on the RSS format.
Beyond that, those those things about podcasting are pretty much the same podcasts.
One of the neat evolutions in 2014, that cereal bought around was the concept of seasons.
And I think that has been very successful for a lot of shows, obviously, not just podcast, but also YouTube series.
Certainly do things like that.
My friends, Katie and Kerry put together the punch out podcast, and that has seasons, hot ones, the YouTube interview show has different seasons and stuff.
So I think that’s a concept that’s probably going to stick around.
What has changed when we think about the matrix of create, distribute, activate and measure for podcast marketing? Creation is pretty much the same, right? So there are different tools that have gotten better and make it easier to to create rich content.
I do see that more and more shows are also simulcasting as a YouTube series as a live stream, etc.
So that there’s more opportunity to reach more people with more formats.
I don’t see that changing.
I don’t fully expect podcast to make their way into the metaverse, maybe they will but given that Facebook gave up on supporting podcasts on their primary platform, I wouldn’t hold out too much hope there.
But beyond that, it’s the channels the channels would have changed the most over the years.
In the First Age of podcasting, the RSS feed and podcast directories really were how people found chosen word of mouth.
Of course, in the Second Age of podcasting, which is about 2010 to 2015.
You started seeing stuff, basic stuff like search engine optimization, a ton of social media usage, promote shows and things, some advertising, podcast ad networks themselves.
In the Third Age of podcasting, we do see a lot more collaboration a lot more grouping up podcast networks and things to keep in particularly for independent shows just to keep them alive compared to the big bucks that major media companies are spending on shows, you know, Spotify paying gazillions of dollars to various podcasters to be on their platform.
So where we are today is the format’s pretty much the same.
The distribution channels are different.
The activation channels for influencers stuff are very different.
Again, YouTube being one of the biggest platforms for podcasters to share that stuff.
And I don’t see that changing a whole lot.
I do think there’s a possibility for more community based stuff.
Podcasts and shows in general started to figure out that having a persistent community is a valuable thing.
Having a discord for your podcast, having a Slack instance, for your podcast, things like that will continue to be important.
Lots of folks figuring out from the First Age that having a newsletter is a good idea.
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I do think that podcasts themselves become more valuable over the next few years as as third party cookies and third party tracking sort of wind down over the next few years.
The ability to find a targeted audience for your average advertising company is going to get harder, right? You will not have as much third party data increased privacy restrictions make it more appealing to simply choose a podcast that has your niche or your audience, right.
If you want to talk to marketers, you can try to target in increasingly unreliable ad tech systems or you can sponsor the marketing over coffee podcast, full disclosure I do that show with my friend John.
There’s a baked in audience that you if you do your research, you can say yeah, this is or is not our audience.
And I think for a lot of shows, there’s a strong opportunity to improve sponsors.
ship by showcasing how well you know your audience, how focused your audience is, and how engaged they are.
Again, this is again, where things like a newsletter are super handy, a discord community super handy, as ways to show the persistence and the engagement of your community around your show.
So those are the kinds of things I see happening over the next few years more community, more interest in podcast audiences by advertisers.
But the format itself probably, you know, it’s it’s been a stable format really since about 2005.
It’s it’s internet radio, it’s it’s internet radio on demand support, you know, that’s, that’s really what it is.
And for the people who love them, I don’t think it’s going to change.
So that’s the answer.
That’s my answer.
Good question.
Thanks for asking.
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In today’s episode, Lauren asks, What should go into a successful launch plan for a podcast? Well, I mean, it’s like any other product launch a podcast is nothing more than an informational product.
And it may or may not come with a price tag, at least in terms of financial terms, but it always comes to the price tag of someone’s time, right? They have to spend time invest time listening to your show.
So a big part of podcast marketing has got to be, what am I? What am I giving the listener or the viewer in exchange for their time? Right? So do all the basics of Product Marketing, right does? What is the price in terms of the time commitment, right, because you can make a shorter show and consume less time in exchange for, you know, we’re not providing as much value perhaps.
And certainly, shorter content lends itself well towards the more short form content platforms that are present today, such as YouTube shorts, Instagram reels, Tiktok, etc.
But all launches fall under essentially four basic categories, right, this creation, distribution, activation and measurement, creation is the content itself, the podcast itself, what’s it going to be about? And of the 2 million different podcasts that exist now that are in production? What’s in it for the audience? What’s different? What’s better? What’s the unique selling proposition of your podcast? If it is yet another show on B2B marketing, and there’s a gazillion of them already? What’s different about yours? What’s better than about yours? What does the user get was the listener get from your show that they can’t get anywhere else? There are some intrinsic differences.
For example, you as a host, you know, presumably that there aren’t a dozen of you.
So there is your voice.
But in terms of value, what does the user get? So creation is the first aspect.
The second aspect is distribution.
Where is your show going to go? Right? You have your RSS feed, of course, because it’s not a podcast, if you don’t have one, you have your website? What else are you going to publish on social media channels, you’re going to publish a newsletter, or you’re going to publish excerpts and things I’ve seen some podcasts be very, very successful.
For example, on YouTube, doing a three tier strategy where they have the full show, they have the cut up the show into little pieces, five or 10 minute chunks of content based on the full show.
This works really well interview shows where you basically take each individual question, split your full length interview into the individual question and pointing back to the full length show.
And then people will take shorts, from that up to 62nd clips from the individual questions, a little one liners and zingers.
That’s all part of your distribution strategy.
And of course, you can repurpose those short form pieces elsewhere.
email newsletter, are you going to have one, I would strongly suggest that you have one.
It is folly, I think almost these days to have a podcast that does not have an accompanying email newsletter so that you have a way to capture your audience in a format that you own.
Because you don’t own Apple’s podcast player or Google’s podcast player.
You don’t own any social media channel.
But you control and own your email list as long as you obviously keep paying your bills to your email service provider.
So that’s a major part of distribution.
Just making sure that you have all these channels available that the show is available in as many places as you can get it.
This is where services for example, like Libsyn come in a lot of handy because they have like 16 or 17 different integrations to push your podcast to Spotify to iHeartRadio to Stitcher and so on and so forth.
It makes the distribution a little bit easier.
The third leg is activation.
And by activation we mean how are you going to use your marketing skills to get other people to help market your show.
This can be old school tactics like promos or guest hosts this can be newer school stuff like influencer marketing, having influencers within your space.
Talking about sharing your show.
One show that I don’t know if I would call it a podcast or not.
But the YouTube serial hot ones with Sean Evans is a brilliant format right? You get guests they
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get to potentially impact are some selves eating hot hot wings, but you get to leverage their audiences.
Because as as particularly as they’ve leveled up over the years, the guests keep getting bigger and bigger, which means the potential audience keeps getting bigger and bigger as well.
The same thing can be true for your show, right for your niche, your industry, your topic, whatever it is.
getting other people on as guests is a pretty straightforward way of helping bring in their audience.
So doing the activation side of things, running advertising, running ads for your podcast, on other podcasts in newsletters, and other people’s newsletters, using traditional ad tech systems like Google ads, or, you know, it Tiktok ads, whatever the case may be, all that goes into your activation piece.
And then you have the measurement piece, right? What is what worked, you have all these different tactics, hopefully use good tracking codes and things.
And that measurement piece will tell you what things worked for your shows promotion and what things didn’t where, especially where you spent money.
If you spent money in places, and you didn’t get quite the return you were looking for, you should know that so that in your second and third waves of marketing, you can do more of what works and less of what didn’t.
So that’s how you do a podcast marketing launch plan.
And in those four pieces creation, distribution, activation and measurement, it’s, again, it’s like any other product.
So the same efforts, the same techniques and technologies that you would use to sell a pack of gum or a college education you would use for a podcast, just knowing that you’re not asking me for money, you’re asking for attention.
And these days, attention is more scarce.
Honestly, it’s harder to keep someone’s attention for more than a few seconds, these days.
So that’s the plan.
There’s obviously a lot of flexibility in each of the four categories.
But you need all four categories in terms of allocating time 50% should go into creation making sure that your your shows worth listening to are worth watching, right if if it’s not, then nothing else matters because you’re never going to get any traction.
20% goes into distribution 20% goes into activation 10% goes into measurement.
That’s a healthy breakout for a launch of a podcast to because you want to make sure again, the show’s got to be high quality.
The days of simply creating a podcast and expecting people to tune in because of the novelty that is a podcast long over.
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