Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: GA4 Impact on Attribution Analysis?

    You Ask, I Answer: GA4 Impact on Attribution Analysis?

    Andrew asks, “What impact will GA4 have on attribution analysis – specifically in relation to PR’s role in attribution models.”

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    In today’s episode, Andrew asks, What impact will Google Analytics 4 have on attribution analysis, specifically in relation to public relations role in attribution models? Well, there’s two different questions here, sort of rolled into one.

    First attribution analysis itself had Google Analytics is actually pretty robust.

    Once Google rolled out its attribution models, which are confusingly labeled under the advertising section in GA four in the left hand menu.

    Why they did that.

    The built in attribution models are actually pretty good.

    But the one this, there’s two to pay attention to one is the cross channel data driven model, which is Google’s what they call the time to event data driven model in their academic paper that looks at sort of the additive effects of different touchpoints.

    Within the customer journey, it’s a pretty good model, it gives you a very good sense of here’s what’s working at each level of the customer journey.

    And, like I said, it’s really good.

    It’s a, it’s a good model for online for the Clickstream, where the model starts to run into issues is dealing with offline, or dealing with when the Clickstream is broken.

    So an example of what the Clickstream is broken, is you’re on your phone, and you’re surfing, and you’re reading and stuff like that.

    And you see something interesting, maybe you see a cool Instagram post and like, oh, go to your laptop, and you resume there.

    You’ve broken the Clickstream.

    And while the consumer has broken the Clickstream, because this and the laptop, the sessions are seen as different.

    Now, Google has done some work as have many ad companies to try and unify that.

    But the issue is, from a marketing perspective, a lot of very good privacy tools prevent us from unifying those sessions of seeing if that’s the same person.

    So Google Analytics 4 really doesn’t do any better or worse than its predecessors or its competitors.

    When it comes to when the Clickstream gets broken, that especially is for offline, say, you’re reading an article, and you have a conversation with your significant other.

    And they tell you to check out this cool thing, and you go into Google and stuff.

    Organic Search gets credit for that interaction, but it really was word of mouth.

    Right? And then, you know, maybe your significant other saw a news article of some kind, or a post from an influencer? Public relations should get credit for that.

    But because it’s invisible, because it’s not connected to the Clickstream.

    It doesn’t.

    So what’s built into Google Analytics 4 is an improvement on the existing modeling for clickstream events is not any better for broken click streams, offline stuff, or brand.

    So you may say, Well, that’s problematic.

    How do we fix that? Well, you can’t fix it in Google Analytics 4 itself, there’s no facility built in for doing more complex attribution models that can take into account some offline effects.

    But there are ways to do modeling of that to look at all of your data and build more sophisticated statistical or machine learning models that can do attribution, saying, Hey, this looks like it has a correlation to the target outcome.

    And so, you know, run some causality test to see if that is in fact, causative or not.

    Again, that’s not something that’s built in.

    It’s not built into any web analytics platform.

    There are no platforms on the market today that can do this.

    Google’s data is probably the closest thing to get to.

    And one of the things you want to calibrate on from a measurement perspective is branded organic search, branded organic searches.

    When somebody searches for you or your company or products or services by name, you can see the data right within Google Search Console.

    That is one of the best measures of public relations effectiveness.

    Because if no one’s searching for you by name, right, if nobody knows who you are, or your products or your services, your public relations isn’t working.

    Right.

    Your brand building isn’t working, you’ve got no brand.

    If on the other hand, people are looking for, you know, Trust Insights, or Christopher Penn by name, and me, not the deceased actor.

    And I’ve got a brand My brand is working, and if my public relations efforts are behind that, that I contribute at least some of that to public relations.

    How do you do that?

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    Again, same technology, the same statistical models that they’re basically multiple regression models.

    The specific algorithm that a lot of people had a very good success with success with is called x g boost.

    You do need to have some machine learning experience to it to make it work.

    But it is one of the many approaches people are taking to a more sophisticated way of doing that kind of attribution analysis.

    And it’s not foolproof, it’s not flawless.

    It’s not perfect.

    But it is directionally accurate.

    And will tell you that, yes, in general, your public relations efforts are or are not having the impact that you want.

    So Google Analytics 4, in general, will give you better starting data to work with, especially if you’re combining it with Google Search Console data.

    And after that, you have to build your own attribution model.

    So really good question.

    Very complicated question.

    There’s a lot of math, a lot of math in here.

    But if you get it right, you absolutely can value, the impact of public relations.

    The reason why most companies don’t, it’s expensive to do this, right? It is expensive to build these models.

    It is time consuming.

    You have to ingest a lot of data, you have to do a lot of data science.

    And most companies are not willing to invest the money in salaries or contractors, whatever to do that because they would rather just kind of hope that public relations works and be the first to cut their budgets when things turn south instead of figuring out what actually works from a data driven perspective.

    So good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • Almost Timely News, 26-June-2022: Good Habits Lead to Great Change (WARNING: POLITICAL)

    Almost Timely News, 26-June-2022: Good Habits Lead to Great Change (WARNING: POLITICAL) (6/26) :: View in Browser

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    This week’s newsletter is going to be intensely political, very USA-centric, and leaning on the liberal side. No marketing content. Feel free to skip if that’s not your thing, or even unsubscribe. That’s totally okay.

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    Almost Timely News, 26-June-2022: Good Habits Lead to Great Change (WARNING: POLITICAL)
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    Let’s talk about habits and change.

    When was the last time you went to the gym once, got fit, and didn’t need to work out ever again?

    When was the last time you changed what you ate for a day, lost X kilograms, and never had to do that again?

    Yeah, me neither. That doesn’t happen. Big sustainable changes don’t come from one-time events. They come from applied diligence, from making a little bit of progress all the time, bit by bit, day by day.

    Back at the height of the pandemic, I took up running. In the beginning, I sucked at it. REALLY sucked at it. I could barely run a kilometer, much less a mile. (1 kilometer is about 2/3 of a mile) But I kept at it, and 6 months after I started, I ran my first 5K road race – virtually, because pandemic.

    6 months after that, I was able to run 5k a week.

    Since the start of 2022, I’ve been running 5K or more every Sunday, 3-4K on Wednesdays. Last weekend, I managed 9K for the first time. As a guy in his mid-forties who has never, ever been athletic in my adult life, that was a big deal and a huge moment. I’m on my way to 10K, and I’m healthier than I’ve ever been in my adult life.

    How did I make such a big change? With habits over time. Once I figured out how to run without injuring myself (which happened all the previous times in my life I’d tried to take up running), I started running as a habit. Rain or shine, I ran on Sundays in 2020 and half of 2021. Rain or shine, I’ve run on Sundays and Wednesdays for the last year. Almost no days off – I’ve taken off 4 Sundays in 2 years, mostly due to holiday travel.

    When friends ask me how I maintain such discipline, the answer is easy: it’s habit. It’s routine. It’s so regular that I don’t have to think about whether or not I should run, I just run because it’s what I do. It’s part of who I am. It feels weird when I do have to miss a run, like something’s very wrong with the day.

    Good habits lead to great change.

    What does this have to do with politics? I’m glad I asked.

    How did the neo-conservatives in America manage to overturn a 50-year old court ruling and make abortion illegal in about half the US states?

    With good habits. They had a message they repeated endlessly, true or not. They applied consistent discipline, consistent effort, consistent resources, consistent focus over a very long period of time to get local, state, and federal officials elected, until they had enough people in power to influence the highest court in the land, and they placed their candidates on it in lifetime positions.

    And those habits paid off. They achieved a decades-long goal of federally de-recognizing people’s sovereignty over their own bodies, women (well, anyone with a uterus) especially. In the opinion of the court, one of the Justices, Justice Thomas, also made clear the court needs to re-examine and reverse similar decisions about same-sex relationships, same-sex marriage, and the availability of contraception. You can read that opinion on page 119 of the official ruling.

    I happen to disagree with this decision in almost every possible way. I’m a big fan of freedom, of liberty, of self-determination and autonomy. So long as you’re not hurting me, you should be allowed to do whatever you want with your body. (this, by the way, is why I’m also in favor of mandating things like masks and vaccines as a last resort, because what you do with your body – or don’t do – WILL hurt me) You want a baby in it? That’s your business. You don’t want a baby in it? That’s your business too. You want to cover it in tattoos or pierce it with iron bolts? That’s your business too… and it’s not my business to tell you what to do with your body if you’re not hurting me.

    For people like me, and maybe you, who vehemently oppose this decision, what should we do?

    I’ll tell you what we should NOT do: Make a lot of noise for a brief time and then forget about it and move onto the next piece of news that crosses our smartphones.

    That’s the equivalent of going to the gym once, working out real hard, and then never going back.

    Great change requires effort and resources over a long period of time. It requires good habits.

    What we should be thinking about is our own habits for creating change. We have a clear goal: to enact into law broad bodily autonomy, that the government should have no say over what we do with our bodies save when it causes harm to other people without their consent, starting with restoring the federal right to abortion. That’s the goal: more freedom and more liberty for all of us. How do we get there?

    The blueprint that American neo-conservatives used to achieve their agenda isn’t unique to them. It’s not special, it’s not magic. It is eminently practical and can be used by anyone:

    Work with like-minded individuals to get people with our point of view elected to local offices.

    Then state offices.

    Then federal offices.

    Then to the highest courts in the land.

    What habits do we need to enact to make these changes happen?

    1. Finance: There are lots of organizations that work towards changes we want. Don’t donate once. Set up a recurring donation so that you’re in the habit of providing resources. Given a choice between a 12 one time donation and a1 monthly recurring donation, almost every organization prefers the latter because it allows for budgeting and resource allocation. Make donating a habit.
    2. Elect: Vote. In every single election you’re eligible to vote in, even if it’s just for the dog catcher. Just as in running when there are no days off from your workout, if you want political change, there are no off-year elections to skip. Make voting a habit.
    3. Communicate: In the USA, every major elected representative has some way to receive feedback. Don’t give feedback once, or when a hot button issue comes up. If you want representatives to know something’s a big deal, give feedback regularly and frequently. For example, ask your Senator or Representative to introduce federal legislation legalizing abortion – but put it on your calendar and do it every single weekday. You just copy and paste, but you keep up that habit. Make communicating with your officials a habit.
    4. Advocate: These habits don’t mean much if you’re the only one doing them. Buddy up. Join groups. Just like having a workout buddy makes it easier to hold each other accountable, and a class at your local fitness center makes it even easier, your political habits need like minds. Ask your political workout buddies if they sent their daily messages to their elected reps, or made their monthly donations to the cause. Make building and growing your personal network a habit.
    5. Investigate: The reality is that the American political system runs, like so much else in the country, on money. Spend time regularly seeing who funds politicians that made this happen. Then don’t do business with those companies, let them know why publicly, and spread the word in your buddy system to do the same. Make research a habit.

    Neo-conservatives won a 50-year battle because they had better habits than liberals. They weren’t smarter or better educated or wealthier or more clever. They were focused and they were zealous about their habits. If we want to win back what they took, we have to be more focused and more dedicated to our habits than them over the same period of time or longer.

    Good habits lead to great changes – but only if you stick by them.

    I hope you’ll join me, if it’s appropriate and relevant to you, in establishing good habits to create great, necessary change for the better.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: TikTok and Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: TikTok and Content Marketing?

    Ann asks, “How does TikTok indirectly or directly affect content marketing?”

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    In today’s episode and asks, How does Tiktok directly or indirectly affects content marketing? Well, let’s start with the obvious.

    If you create content, it can go on Tiktok.

    Right? It’s a distribution channel.

    That’s pretty straightforward answer.

    And so if you’re creating content that is helpful to people provide some value, maybe it’s entertainment, maybe it’s education, whatever, and you’re posting on Tiktok, it’s going to do well, right? If you can create a community, if you can feed that community with your content, it’ll do well.

    But here’s the twist, especially with services like Tiktok.

    And this goes for Instagram, too, that goes for Facebook, etc.

    Because really any major social network social networks are used by many people as search engines.

    Right? That’s not their stated intent.

    That’s not what they’re designed for.

    But it doesn’t stop people from using them as search engines from discovering stuff, learning stuff, and then running with it.

    I was on.

    Oh, gosh, Instagram the other day.

    And I was watching this one video.

    And somebody mentioned this piece of software like, oh, cool, I’ll go try that.

    It was a discovery engine.

    Right, another time I was looking for somebody on LinkedIn.

    And LinkedIn is essentially a search engine for people.

    Right? Think about that LinkedIn is a search engine for people.

    There’s plenty content of it to be searched for as well.

    But a lot of times you’re finding people same is true for tick tock, tick, tock is a search engine for short form ideas.

    Right, if you can find somebody who’s talking about the thing that you’re interested in the topic you’re interested in, they’re creating great videos that have a lot of value.

    It’s a search engine.

    And you can then obviously, optimize your content that you put on Tiktok for search, learning how to use hashtags, learning how to appropriately use captions, all those things, to help the Tiktok algorithm surface your stuff to people who are searching for the thing I did, one of the most popular videos I’ve ever done on Tiktok was on stuff around Ukraine, and it’s finding the right community sharing it with him, then people find it people find you, and then share your stuff and promote it, etc, etc.

    It’s no different than any other social network.

    So how does search indirectly or directly affect your content marketing? That is the answer for how Tiktok does it? How does social media affect your content marketing? That is the answer for Tiktok as well.

    There’s nothing about Tiktok that is so revolutionary, and so new and incomprehensible, that if you’ve already got some experience with social media marketing, you can figure out Tiktok pretty clearly and pretty pretty quickly, will you necessarily be great at it at its unique formats, you know, anywhere from 30 seconds to 10 minute videos, maybe you are maybe you aren’t, maybe use the right filters or whatever.

    But fundamentally, if you are accustomed to delivering value to the audience in some type of short form video, then your content marketing on Tiktok will do very well.

    And if you understand how people search for things, how people discover things, if you do great market research on your audience, you will find ways to leverage those learnings on Tiktok.

    Right? It could be collabs and duets, for example, if you know that there’s a certain influence you want to get in front of you can spin up a duet or resharing and re mixing stuff.

    There’s no shortage of stuff.

    Same is true for Snapchat Snapchats still exists that’s actually very popular in certain parts of the world.

    And there still are things that that directly and indirectly affect your content marketing that way.

    So there’s a lot of opportunity out there, the challenge for all of us is to figure out where our audience is, what they’re interested in at those times, and then how they buy, right, if we’re talking about marketing, figuring out how somebody buys is the most valuable activity that you can do because it helps you understand the customer journey, and then optimize your marketing for it.

    If you run into a channel like Tiktok, for example, and you start creating stuff, without understanding how people buy in your space, you could be wasting an awful lot of time and money because that may not be how people buy a may not even be people discover awareness of a certain product or service.

    They may not use the platform for that.

    So you’ve got to do that market research up front so that you can provide value when and where people want it.

    That is the challenge before you.

    So that’s how Tiktok effects content marketing.

    It’s all about a distribution channel.

    and understanding how people use social media and then conforming your marketing to where the audience is thanks for tuning in I’ll talk to you soon if you’d like this video go ahead and hit that subscribe button

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Brands and Social Media Presence?

    You Ask, I Answer: Brands and Social Media Presence?

    Ann asks, “Should brands still be on social media?”

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    In today’s episode, Ann asks, Should brands still be on social media? Yeah.

    That could be the video.

    Yes, absolutely.

    brands should still be on social media brands should be participating in social media and trying to find ways to provide value.

    Now, here’s where it gets interesting.

    What is social media? This is something that companies get wrong a lot.

    When I ask, you will name some social media channels.

    People rattle off the usual suspects, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Tiktok, Twitter, Pinterest, et cetera, right? The mainstream big tech, social media channels, and there’s nothing one of the most are indeed social media.

    But social media is defined, a social network is defined by the use of the network effect, which is something that Robert Metcalf, the inventor of Ethernet, coined in like 1979.

    Essentially, the value of a network is proportional to the number of nodes in the network squared.

    That’s that’s Metcalfe’s law.

    Think about it.

    If you have a telephone, right? And your telephone is the only one in the world.

    What good is it? Forget the smartphone part, just just a phone.

    It’s your the got the only phone in the world? What good is it? It’s not very useful.

    Now, the moment that one other person gets a phone, okay, now it has an actual function, right? You can call that person.

    And every time you add a new telephone to that network, the network overall gets more valuable.

    Even people who already have a phone get more value, when a new phone becomes a part of the network, because there’s yet another person to call, right.

    So social networks function the exact same way.

    Think about, let’s use Twitter as an example, if there was only you on Twitter and nobody else, what good is it? It’s not, you’re literally screaming into the void, right? Only as more people join Twitter, or Facebook or Tiktok, or whatever.

    Do you create value for everybody? Because there’s more interaction, more content and more opportunities for conversation? Why does this matter? Because what we call social media is only a tiny subset of what is actually social media.

    Any place where users are the content, user generated content.

    And interaction is the content is a social network is social media.

    So that means things like GitHub, the developer site, where developers can check in and check out code work on each of those projects and things like that is a social network that has social media 100%.

    Think about discord and slack.

    These are apps that let people set up servers, private communities that get people get to interact with and have conversations that is social media.

    Think about Tinder.

    Tinder is social media.

    Right.

    Again, it follows Metcalfe’s law, if you were the only person on Tinder, it would have no value.

    Right? Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange.

    These are developer q&a sites.

    Christopher Penn 3:42

    Like 99% of developers at least good ones.

    I routinely copying and pasting content from GitHub from Stack Overflow, because why reinvent the wheel answering people’s questions and things like that? The internal bulletin board, email, email itself is a social network, right? Think about that.

    give that some thought email is the OG social network.

    YouTube is a social network.

    Right? Without if there was only you on YouTube, it would have no value.

    Right? As you are there and other people there, it gains value twitch.

    The gaming thing is a social network, Amazon itself that electronic shopping portal is a social network.

    Pornhub is a social network, right? It’s an a social network for adult content.

    All of these things are social networks.

    So going back to ask question, Should brands be on social media? Yes.

    Should brands necessarily be on Facebook? Not necessarily, or LinkedIn or any of the mainstream tech? Social networks? Not necessarily.

    But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a social network that follows Metcalf’s rules somewhere out there, where your customers are, and that is the opportunity for you to interact with them and probably get better results because you are finding a context that is appropriate for your brand, your product your service your industry within a dedicated social network for it, right that’s one of the reasons why services like discord and slacker just blowing up and have been for three or four years now, when you can start up a Discord server that is specifically focused just on left hand people who powerwash right as so focused is such a focus community that if you were selling power washers you would 100% want to be in that community.

    probably also want to make sure that your employees who participate are left handed.

    But it means that you can find a social network that fits your brand that fits the value you can offer.

    The value you can create by contributing and in return exchange some value and get some business out of it.

    Do not make the mistake of thinking that you know Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, Pinterest, etc.

    That that is the only thing that is social media.

    It isn’t social media is hundreds, if not 1000s of different types of websites, different communities, where you can find your crowd and make them deliriously happy that they have found you.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing Management Mistakes?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing Management Mistakes?

    Ann asks, “Name one or two mistakes people make while managing a content marketing team?”

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    In this episode and asks, name one or two mistakes people make while managing a content marketing team.

    It depends on whether we’re talking about content marketing specifically, or just talk about managing specifically, because there’s so many mistakes, you can make managing, micromanaging, failing to manage appropriately not setting goals, not checking in with people not providing support, not paying them equitably.

    There’s any number of ways that you could badly manage any given team.

    But in the context of content marketing, specifically, there are three major areas where things are going to go wrong, right? Number one is not having good processes in place.

    And if you are just having people winging it, it’s going to get very frustrating, and you’re not going to deliver your best product.

    That’s pretty straightforward.

    Number two, is in choosing your content, marketing format, and platform, choosing badly, choosing badly choosing platforms where your audience is not choosing to distribute content in a way that makes it difficult for people for people to access your content, choosing platforms that are difficult for your team to work with, right? Yeah, you may have all these requirements for your internal business processes.

    But if your people hate working with that system, you’re really handicapping yourself.

    But the biggest mistake of all, is having a content marketing strategy and plan that does not leverage people properly.

    What do we mean by this? Number one, is, if you have no idea what talents your team has ain’t just kind of throw content marketing plans out there, you’re gonna get less than their best work, because everybody has different aptitudes, right.

    Some people like to talk.

    So people like to write, so people to draw or paint or compose music, or dance or whatever, there’s, people have all forms of different self expression.

    And if your content marketing management does not take into account all the different ways that people can be creative, you are handicapping those people in terms of their ability to create work that they enjoy doing, because of self expression.

    So is good.

    And more importantly, the quality of work you’re going to get out of them is not going to be as good.

    It’s it’s going to be mediocre.

    Because taking somebody who is naturally a visual person, and making them write a 1500 word blog post is a recipe for failure.

    Can they do it? Yes.

    Is going to be as good as it could be? No.

    Right? It’s like taking somebody who is a world class Japanese chef and putting them in a bakery.

    Are they going to be able to bake things? Yes.

    Because they’re they’re superbly talented professionals in general.

    But are you leveraging their talents for what they’re best at? No.

    Right? Having someone who can make amazing teppanyaki or sushi, cranking out croissant.

    It’s just a mismatch.

    And that’s something that I see happen a lot in content marketing people are people are creating content marketing strategies and plans without taking into account what their team is good at.

    They may not even know what they are good at.

    So another key part of this is doing that skills assessment, doing a skills assessment regularly, and understanding what the aptitudes of the people are that work on your content marketing team.

    And then as projects and products come up, you figuring out how do you leverage all these different disparate talents because everyone has some form of self expression.

    Sometimes, someone’s self expression just may not be a good fit for your content marketing strategy, right? Maybe somebody is a really, really good sort of 360 degree video maker like this superbly good at that.

    They can make very compelling virtual reality content.

    And your content strategy does not call for virtual reality, and it’s not a good fit for your products or services.

    That doesn’t, you haven’t figured out how to unlock that value for your audience.

    Having that person using their talents would be a mismatch for what your content marketing strategy is trying to accomplish.

    And so that’s an example where you might not have the right people, right, you want to have the people who can generate the output you want in the format’s you want working for you and making sure they’re compensated appropriately so that they’re doing their very best work.

    Right.

    I’m free Be good at writing,

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    I really enjoy doing video.

    So as you can see, I do a lot of video.

    And at Trust Insights this year, I have had more fun making content than I ever have before.

    Because we’re doing a lot of courses, right we have a new Google Analytics course go to trust insights.ai/ga for course, it was like five and a half hours of video and I get to play around in Premiere and doing my editing and transitions and all this fun stuff.

    It’s fun, is leveraging an aptitude that I have.

    And so if I had a manager who was saying, Well, no, that’s, that’s great that you can do video, but we’re really trying to create just written word, I wouldn’t be as happy.

    Could I still create good content? Yes.

    Would it provide value to the audience? Yes.

    Is it what I love doing? Not as much.

    So when it comes to managing a content marketing team, know what skills your people have, and know what your strategy is, and make sure that your strategy is aligned to your people, it is much easier to change your strategy to match your people than it is to try and force your people to match your strategy.

    You can change strategies but not written in stone, right? They are not delivered on high for tablets from a deity of some kind.

    Yeah, made it up.

    You made it up.

    And so you can change it just as easily.

    Put your people skills first, put your audience’s value second, and then put your corporate business goals third, they do things in that order.

    You’re going to create great content that people love to make that will give value to the audience and will still achieve your goals, your marketing goals.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Awareness vs Consumption?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Awareness vs Consumption?

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    In this episode and asks, Does it matter if people consume content? Or is it enough for them to simply notice it? I struggled with this question because my first gut instinct was, of course, they need to consume it if they don’t, what was the point? Right, because the whole point of content is to give value to the consumer of the content.

    But it depends, I think it depends on the kind of content it is, knowing that exists, might be enough, in certain rare circumstances, you know, knowing that your favorite musician released a piece of content, a new song, might be enough for you to pay attention, for marketing, for what we do in marketing, I think it’s essential that people consume it because the point of content marketing is to provide value to somebody provide value to your audience.

    And if nobody consumes it, if they just know it’s there, they’re not really getting any value out of it.

    Imagine this video that you’re watching right now.

    And you saw the little thumbnail on YouTube, you clicked on it, and maybe you saw it in the newsletter, whatever.

    How much value would this video be? If you just saw the thumbnail, right? If you didn’t actually watch it or listen to it, I can’t think that it would have a whole lot of value to you, if you were just seeing it float by, right.

    It really is about the consumption of the content.

    That doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to study it deeply.

    It doesn’t mean you have to, you know, pour over that content for hours at a time.

    But it does mean you should get some value out of that kind of content.

    And if you don’t, I’m not sure what good it did.

    Part of content marketing, if you do it well, is changing perception, right? From building brand awareness to persuasion, getting people to enter that you mentally in their consideration set when they’re it’s time to buy being part of the evaluation and ultimately purchase.

    If the content doesn’t fulfill any of those functions, because people aren’t consuming it, it’s probably not all that good.

    It’s probably not all that helpful.

    So I would say yes, it very much matters most of the time for someone to actually consume the content that is being presented to them in order for them to get value out of it.

    Now, here’s the twist.

    If your content is so low value, and so empty and so selfish, that it doesn’t actually provide value to the audience.

    It’s probably okay for your audience to just notice it, right? Because consuming is just going to waste their time.

    They’re getting nothing out of it except a really long and uninteresting ad.

    But that’s a strategic failure on the part of the person making the terrible content, right? Good content, yes, needs to be consumed to unlock its value, bad content.

    You don’t need to consume it because it has no value to begin with.

    Right? So it’s not going to it’s not going to move the needle anyway.

    It’s just a waste of people’s time.

    So how good is your content? How much value does your content provide? That is the answer to this question.

    But whether it’s enough for people to see it or whether they actually need to consume it, good content needs to be consumed.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing and Web3?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing and Web3?

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    In this episode and asks, What should content marketers be doing about web three? Well, first let’s quick definition web three is all of the decentralized blockchain based stuff so cryptocurrencies NF, T’s, creator coins and tokens, things like that.

    What should content marketers be doing about it? Well, a few things.

    One, be keeping an eye on this space.

    Even though it’s kind of a hot mess right now very much wild, wild west West, no regulation, all sorts of crazy scams and pyramid schemes, pumping dumps, rug polls, you name it.

    The underlying technology of web three is sound, the idea of a blockchain, which is really nothing more than a publicly available, encrypted spreadsheet, right? At its heart, that’s really what a blockchain is.

    Think about an Excel spreadsheet.

    Now think about an Excel spreadsheet, everyone can edit up to a certain point.

    And in that Excel workbook, there’s an individual tabs and you know, every time you fill up a certain number of rows, and everyone agrees on that, you know, all the changes, like no changes allowed to be made until everyone agrees on it.

    Once that’s done, and then a tab gets locked.

    That’s effectively what a blockchain is, right? It’s, it’s a really big spreadsheet.

    And there’s blocks of data that are read only and encrypted.

    And that’s why it’s called a blockchain.

    It’s basically just a spreadsheet.

    There are very practical use cases for this technology.

    For example, audit trails.

    IBM has been talking a lot about this.

    IBM has a blockchain application for shipping companies where you have a shipping container.

    And there are sensors in that container, that are constantly writing their data to a publicly accessible blockchain that everybody can see everybody can see all the data on it, and maybe you buy this cargo container.

    And you specify, hey, we are contractually requiring that this container.

    Never exceed, say 37 Celsius, right.

    And the sensors are on all the time we’re recording and boom, of course, suddenly, the container gets too hot one day, everybody who has access to the blockchain can see Yeah, this container the recipient, you refuse to accept it refused shipment because it contractually exceeded that.

    The requirements, right, that’s a really good example of a blockchain that great use.

    Another great use that I think would actually be really significant is an aviation one.

    Right now, services like Inmarsat, and stuff provide satellite tracking of aircraft.

    But when you have things like the Malaysian Airlines flight 370, that just vanished and there was very little data about it.

    Imagine sensors onboard the plane, transmitting their data via satellite to a publicly accessible blockchain that everybody can see the National Transportation Safety Bureau news organizations, you know, unsolved mysteries, hunters at the FBI, you name it, everybody can see the evidence that has been posted is that blockchain minute by minute.

    And so the idea of a flight just vanishing, right? Should be impossible, because this technology would create this publicly available, you know, read only resource that everybody can look at.

    Another good example potentially, would be something like voting identities would be obscured, but you’d have this immutable record that said, Here’s what happened.

    That’s really, Blockchain is essentially nothing more than a public ledger.

    So when we talk about content marketing, what should content marketing be doing with these public Ledger’s? There’s some really, really interesting potential applications.

    Nf T’s are one of them.

    The current implementation of NFT is, by and large, just stupid, right? It’s it’s just digital Pokeyman.

    But the underlying architecture is sound.

    The idea is you have this piece of content.

    And it comes with a license of authenticity that can be traded.

    And every time it gets traded, built into that contract, the Creator can get a referral fee.

    So if I make, you know, dancing monkey, right.

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    And it’s got this license of authenticity that travels with it and every time somebody buys this thing, and trades it to somebody else for a fee, I as the Creator get a piece of it, it’s basically royalties.

    It’s a mechanism for collecting royalties that is decentralized that doesn’t necessarily have an ASCAP or BMI or somebody a licensing authority Harry Fox, administering and taking a big cut of the fees, right.

    So for content creators, movie makers, video makers, professional photographers, musicians, the NFT architecture has the potential to be very powerful, right? Suppose that I make a two minute song, I’ll just put together some loops and stuff like that.

    And I attach this licensing agreement to it and put it on the web.

    And assuming that we work out all the issues with the infrastructure today, you could take my thing, remix it, reuse it commercially.

    And every time it gets used commercially, that and you collect money, I get money to write that’s a great application is built in royalties.

    And that’s a very appealing, potential use for for this.

    For today.

    Most content marketers today with the current situation, it’s a wait and see.

    Right, there’s not a ton of really good use cases.

    There are some Joe policies, the tilt organization and the CX show are a good example.

    Same with Gary Vaynerchuk V friends, where you you buy licenses from them.

    And then it comes with like some cute artwork, but the license is really what you’re buying.

    And that gets you in, for example, into their conferences.

    And it’s like a three year license, you get through your license, and you can trade it, you can resell it, it’s built into the terms.

    So if you can’t go to that conference, you can resell it to somebody else, you make money.

    And then the issuer of the license also makes money.

    So it’s like, you know, imagine ticket scalping, right? Instead, you can have tickets that are resellable and Auphonic, fully auditable and tradable.

    Think about with airline tickets.

    So once upon a time, you could sell an airline ticket to somebody else, you can’t do that in today’s system.

    But imagine a an NF T style system, a licensing system, forget again, remember, forget the today’s implementations are stupid.

    But imagine a license that of authenticity.

    That is your ticket, right? And it’s baby, it’s built into an app or whatever, and you sell it and you sell it to somebody else, they then have to authenticate.

    And they then have to authenticate the airline gets paid again.

    You get paid as the ticket purchaser and then this other person provides their credentials, their known traveler number and all that stuff.

    And then they can use your ticket.

    There’s some very strong potential there.

    It’s not really yet it’s not live yet.

    But there is potential and that potential is very, very interesting.

    So today, content marketers should be watching should be looking at use cases should be figuring out.

    Are there small examples or tests you could run that might prove the usefulness of the technology, get versed in the underlying infrastructure, right learn the IT requirements behind it, so that when it does become more widespread, and it does, you start seeing practical, boring, mundane use cases.

    You’re ready.

    We have not hit the Clay Shirky moment yet for web three.

    Clay Shirky famously said when something is technologically uninteresting, then it becomes societally interesting, right? You take a device like your smartphone, right? Your smartphone, this is not a new device anymore.

    In 2007, the iPhone was revolutionary.

    15 years later, this is commonplace.

    But in the process of becoming commonplace, it is now societally impactful, this device is probably more societally impactful than almost any other devices.

    Erevan created for humanity because it connects people and lets people communicate in ways that never have happened before.

    So you want to be on the lookout for the boring use cases of web three.

    When those come out, then you’re really talking about applications for content marketers.

    Really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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    What’s On My Mind: Revisiting Thought Leadership

    Thought leadership has been on my mind lately because of the sheer volume of PR pitches in my inbox asking if I want to interview so-and-so, a thought leader in whatever space or industry the PR person is pitching. Most of the time, I just straight up delete those pitches because they’re usually hilariously off target for what I create content about. The other day, someone pitched me on a thought leader in the cleaning products industry because they wanted to get in front of my high income female audience to persuade them to try this brand’s cleaning products.

    Let’s recall my definition of a thought leader: a thought leader is someone whose thinking changes how you lead. Tons of people are in leadership positions – not necessarily the C-Suite, either. If you manage even one person, or if you manage a group of people who don’t work for you, like in a volunteer organization or your community, you are a leader. You are leading people, guiding them, directing them.

    Thus, if someone else’s thinking changes how you lead (hopefully for the better), then that content is thought leadership content.

    Here’s a clarifying filter on thought leadership content. Leadership inherently involves people. If a piece of content or a specific thinker is changing how you do things with technology, that’s not leadership. That’s perhaps tactical or strategic change, but it’s not leadership.

    Think of leadership like parenting or pet ownership. You can change a lot of things about how you live or what you buy or which brand of food you serve, but how you interact with your children or pet is parenting. Someone sharing information about how to save money at the grocery store is essential and useful, but they’re not sharing information about the act of parenting itself.

    If someone is claiming to be a thought leader but they’re not sharing ideas for how you interact with people, then they’re not sharing leadership ideas. They may still be good or great ideas, but that’s not thought leadership.

    So let’s run through a couple of examples. All names have been changed to protect the guilty. “Bob has been able to reinvent the workplace mindset and offer innovative, out-of-the-box thinking that has created the foundation to his and other entrepreneurs’ success.” Okay, so far, so good. Bob passes the first test, which is that his pitch is about people. Let’s go to Bob’s signature post on LinkedIn which details his innovative 5 secrets to success.

    1. Know yourself.
    2. Be humble.
    3. Hire the right people.
    4. Sell more stuff.
    5. Don’t rely on others.

    So… does this change how you would lead? Does this thinking change how you’re going to work with people, how you’ll approach people?

    Okay, let’s move onto another pitch, this one about… uh, Bob. “Bob is incredibly experienced in transforming the marketing strategies of startup organizations, fast-growing pharmaceutical companies and thriving corporations alike. She would be able to provide incredible insight and share her expertise on marketing in the healthcare and pharmaceutical space.”

    Okay, I’ll bite. Let’s go read Bob’s flagship article on Medium. An interviewer asked her what her blueprint for marketing success looks like. “Successful marketing must be omnichannel with a true north focus on the customer experience and the customer journey, not the product. Your channel strategy has to provide a seamless customer experience at every touchpoint.”

    Does this change how you would lead? Does this thinking change how you’re going to work with people, how you’ll approach people?

    Thought leadership, despite its (over)use in our current marketing and business world, is shockingly rare. Very few things will legitimately change how we lead, how we make decisions that affect the people around us, the people who work from us, the people who buy from us.

    What are some legitimate examples of thought leadership? Correct or not, Malcolm Gladwell’s piece in the Tipping Point about 10,000 hours of time needed to master something changed our expectations of how long it takes to become skilled. It gave us a concrete number and helped reset expectations about how long we should expect people who work for us to become proficient at something.

    Brené Brown has coached an entire generation of leaders to be more vulnerable, open, and honest in their interactions in the workplace, encouraging people to live more complete lives. They don’t have to rigidly separate professional from personal, and that’s a big cultural change.

    Bozoma Saint John, CMO of Netflix, focuses heavily on radical transparency in leadership roles, letting customers in to see the good and the bad, helping customers understand why we make the decisions we do. If you embrace radical transparency, you’re definitely going to change how you lead.

    Thought leadership is rare. When you find it, when you discover it, grab a hold of it and don’t let go until you’ve changed how you lead.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Accessible and Inclusive Content?

    You Ask, I Answer: Accessible and Inclusive Content?

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    In today’s episode and asks accessible and inclusive content marketing has garnered more attention than the last couple of years.

    How have you seen or heard brands address either or both topics? Well, as I record this, it is pride month, and then every brand has puking rainbows.

    Yet strangely, a lot of them are also donating to politicians have anti LGBTQ policies.

    But here’s the thing, there isn’t as much accessible or inclusive content as there could be, which is baffling to me as a marketer.

    Because the more people you include, the more people who can access stuff, the more people who can buy from you.

    More people can give you money and say, hey, I want to buy your products or services.

    So what are some things that we should all be doing? There’s some really easy basics, particularly for accessibility.

    I was doing a keynote recently, at the spark dummy conference in Montenegro and I had PowerPoint up on the screen.

    And one of the really cool features is real time captions.

    Right? So I had one air pod in my ear.

    As I’m talking, the captions are appearing beneath my slides.

    Artificial Intelligence, natural language recognition has gotten so good, so good.

    Now that real time captions are reality, not only their reality there, they’re pretty good.

    There was actually an interesting twist on that talk, I had it being translated into Serbian in real time, so I was speaking and Serbian words were appearing beneath my slides.

    Talk about an accessibility thing, right.

    So not only because the crowd in Montenegro speaks, Montenegrin, which is in Serbian, are essentially the identical languages.

    If you were in that audience, and English wasn’t your strongest language, and let’s face it, I speak quickly, sometimes having the words in your language on screen was inclusive.

    Right? If you were hard of hearing, right, if you had a hearing disability of some kind, or other auditory disability, having the words on screen, as I was saying them, is an accessibility thing.

    Every piece of content we create, ideally, should have some kind of accessibility hook so that closed captions and stuff are available.

    So that content is compliant with screen readers.

    You know, just just basic stuff, like alt tags and images, just putting them in emails, making sure that we don’t leave those out that that is table minimum.

    And yet, a lot of companies don’t do it.

    Partly because they don’t think about it.

    It’s the same reason we have bias in AI because people don’t think to ask the question, how can this data be misused, right? In our case, in the Content Marketing question, the question is, who are we excluding? By releasing it only in this format? Who can’t? We market to? Right, if you are releasing video, without closed captions, you are marketing, you’re excluding people who need text to consume your content.

    If you publish a podcast, making sure that you have things like shownotes available again, if you can’t hear podcast is is kind of a problem.

    There’s so many great AI based tools now to make accessibility straightforward.

    Adobe Premiere, I was doing some editing for the Mautic conference the other day, and there were six sessions that were in Japanese.

    I don’t speak Japanese and not fluently.

    I certainly can’t write it.

    But I could choose transcription in Japanese in Adobe Premiere, and it created closed captions now either misses, of course, there are inaccuracies, but they’re so relatively few.

    And the benefit of the accessible content is so great, that it’s a no brainer to use it.

    And then when we load those captions, those Japanese captions to YouTube, for example, I can just push one button on YouTube and say, translate to English.

    And suddenly now, content that was inaccessible to me is accessible to me.

    I can I and understand what the speaker is saying, right? Think about

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    if you don’t like watching videos like this, what if you could just read the transcript if it was automated, you just read the transcript suddenly you if you read, you can read the light up to 500 words a minute, I speak about 150 words a minute, as you could read my content, you can consume it up to three times faster when I provide it in multiple formats.

    So how should you be doing accessible and inclusive content providing as many formats as is practical, in your workflow, build accessibility into your workflow? Build inclusivity into your workflow.

    And ask yourself all the time, but especially for big campaigns.

    Is there anyone that we are excluding that we wouldn’t want to? Because they might buy some stuff from us? Who are whose money are we not taking? By putting out content in a format that’s incompatible with a certain part of the population? So really important question.

    Who are you excluding? Whose money are you not taking? By creating inaccessible or exclusive content? And by the way, it’s kind of funny when you think about it.

    Marketers love to talk about this is exclusive to you.

    This is exclusive.

    That means you’re excluding a whole bunch of people.

    Right? What if your content that was so exclusive is counter to diversity and inclusivity campaigns that your company is trying to do? Maybe we can retire that term for a little while.

    Maybe we can retire exclusive for law, especially since most of the time is not exclusive.

    Anyway, it’s a good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: SEO And Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: SEO And Content Marketing?

    Ann asks, “Given all the “instant” answers Google delivers in search results, does SEO still matter for content marketing?”

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    In today’s episode and asks, given all the instant answers Google delivers in search results, does SEO still matter for content marketing? Yes.

    SEO still matters.

    what Google is doing is identifying easy answers and providing the answer to the person without having to force them to go to another website.

    Right? That is a good user experience.

    So the question is, is all of your content, a bunch of easy answers? If it is, then you’re going to feel substantial increased pressure from Google and other search engines, as he tried to improve the user experience and send you less and less traffic? If on the other hand, you are providing answers that require complexity and nuance, then Google will may show a snippet of your content, but then they will send people to that content so that they can consume it and get the rest of the answer.

    Right.

    There’s a big difference between when is the Boston martial arts center open, right, that’s something that can be displayed super easily.

    Compare that with a question like, What are the differences in the Togakure Ryu lineage versus the Code42? Lineage? That’s a long answer.

    Right? That’s got that’s like a doctoral dissertation answer.

    And so Google is not going to summarize that.

    Google is not going to come up with an answer to answer that, because there’s a lot of things in life that are not instant answers.

    So the real question for you and your content marketing strategy is, are you creating content? That’s all bunch of easy answers that Google will interpret and that, frankly, don’t necessarily add a ton of value.

    Right? If a user goes to your website, do they get more value out of the answers you have there? versus Google? If the answer is Google, then you need to update up your content marketing strategy.

    Now for some things, you want Google giving people an easy answer, like when is my store open? How do I get driving directions to my store? And those are things that you definitely want Google handling, and driving audiences to you.

    But there are other things we’re like, yeah, you know, Google, let’s, let’s create some content.

    That is about stuff.

    It’s not easy to summarize.

    And creating content in multiple formats, tons of different formats video on YouTube, right, which is the second largest search engine in the world of audio in podcasts.

    And by the way, Google has a Google podcasts platform.

    Text interactives, virtual reality, you name it, there’s so many different types of content.

    SEO is evolving.

    It’s no longer just how do I get my page to show up and Google? It is more appropriately? How do I get Google to display my brand? And emphasize the value my brand provides? Right? Because Google is providing instant answers on a topic.

    There’s still attribution on it.

    And if it’s about you specifically, then you want to know that right? For example, if someone’s searching for driving directions to the Boston Martial Arts Center, and they never come to the Boston Martial Arts Center website.

    That’s still information I would like to have if I was running the Boston martial arts website, I would want to know how many people are asking for driving directions.

    And is that a leading indicator that indicates we have brand presence, we have brand strength.

    I don’t need people to come to the website, I need people to come to the martial arts school and try a free class.

    Right? The website is a repository for information, but it’s not the only one out there.

    What we want to do is we want to make sure the best correct information is getting to our audiences.

    That ideally leads them to us, which means your SEO strategy is about being found.

    Yes.

    But more importantly, you need to have two things working for you.

    In parallel, one, you need a brand, a strong one as strong as you can make it.

    If people remember who you are, they can Google for you.

    If people have no idea who you are, they’re not going to Google for you.

    And the second thing you need to do his community, you need a, an audience of people that you engage with, that you have conversations with, that you interact with.

    So that

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    when there are things like algorithm changes in search engines, you’re not as affected.

    Because you have this community, you have this base of people who are making word of mouth referrals, who are telling other people about you who are posting reviews, who are sharing, having conversations on social media and recommending you.

    And when the CEO says, Draw me up a shortlist of vendors that do X, you can say, Here’s my number one recommendation.

    That’s how you use community community is a reinforcing mechanism for search.

    Right community is a reinforcing mechanism for brand because if your brand is strong, then your community can help reinforce it and make it even stronger.

    Right, that brand, that community builds that brand.

    So does SEO still matter? Yes, it is.

    In the middle layer, there is brand.

    There’s SEO, and then there’s community and you need all three.

    You can’t have just one of them.

    We shouldn’t have just one that you really want to have all three.

    Good question, important question.

    If you’re not focusing on brand and community, you are increasingly at the whim of artificial intelligence algorithms that you have no control over and may not understand.

    That’s a very risky place to be a very risky place to be build that brand.

    Build your audience, build your community, so that you have those as insurance policies, and then SEO can come and go as it’s needed.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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