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    What’s On My Mind: Intermediate Prompt Engineering for Generative AI

    This week, let’s explore some more prompt engineering concepts, maybe at an intermediate level.

    If you recall, I’ve said for a while that prompt engineering is essentially programming. Instead of programming in Python or Java, we program in English or Ukrainian or Danish.

    However, that means we’re still programming, at least if we want to maximize the outcomes we get from generative AI. We’re still writing instructions in a structured manner to achieve a repeatable, reliable end result.

    If we understand this fundamental concept, that we are programming when we are using generative AI, we will be far more successful and impactful with the technology. This week, let’s look at chain of thought prompting and frameworks.

    Part 1: Chains of Thought

    When we look at the variety of academic papers about achieving good results with prompt engineering, of the 50 or so prompt engineering techniques, more than half of them fall under the broad umbrella of chain of thought. Chain of thought prompts are little more than step by step instructions, in a couple of broad varieties:

    1. Manual chain of thought prompts are where we tell the AI what to do, step by step.
    2. Automated chain of thought prompts are where the AI assembles or manages its own prompts.

    Here’s an example of a simple chain of thought prompt, written by me:

    You are an expert in writing country song lyrics. You know pop country, country music, song writing, song lyric construction. Today you'll be writing lyrics for a country song.

Here are the steps for writing a song with country music lyrics:

1. Concept: what's the main theme of the song?
2. Story: what's the story the song tells?
3. Setting: where is the song set?
4. Characters: who is featured in the song?
5. Emotions: what emotions are highlighted in the song?
6. Structure: what is the song's structure?
7. Rhyme and meter: what kind of rhyme scheme and meter does the song use?

    You can see in a manual chain of thought prompt that we spell out step by step what the instructions are. It’s a recipe, a set of directions for the model to follow.

    Part 2: Automated Chain of Thought

    Automated chain of thought is even simpler. Starting with the first paragraph of our existing prompt, if we use the Trust Insights RACE Framework for prompt engineering as the starting point, we can have AI do the heavy lifting for us. Here’s the human prompt now:

    You're a prompt engineering expert in generative AI. You know prompt construction, prompt engineering, and prompt optimization. You are familiar with prompt engineering techniques such as chain of thought, few shot, zero shot, tree of thought, and other prompting techniques.

Convert the following prompt into a chain of thought prompt:

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You are an expert in writing country song lyrics. You know pop country, country music, song writing, song lyric construction. Today you'll be writing lyrics for a country song. What are the steps necessary to write a compelling country song's lyrics?
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Write the prompt as chain of thought.

    What does the model return? It depends on the model.

    Google Gemini returns:

    **Chain-of-Thought Prompt:**

You are an expert in writing country song lyrics. You know pop country, country music, song writing, and song lyric construction. Today you'll be writing lyrics for a country song. 

To write compelling country song lyrics, consider the following steps:

1. **What are the common themes or topics explored in country music?**  (Think about love, loss, heartbreak, rural life, family, faith, etc.)
2. **How can I choose a theme that resonates with me and will connect with listeners?** (Consider personal experiences, current events, or timeless human emotions.)
3. **What are some storytelling techniques I can use to craft a narrative within my lyrics?** (Think about vivid imagery, relatable characters, and a clear beginning, middle, and end.) 
4. **How can I incorporate traditional country music elements into my lyrics?** (Consider using a simple rhyme scheme, strong rhythms, and familiar country instrumentation in mind.)
5. **How can I ensure my lyrics are authentic and emotionally honest?** (Draw from personal experiences, observations, and genuine feelings.)

Now, using these steps as a guide, what are the steps necessary to write a compelling country song's lyrics?

    ChatGPT GPT-4o returns:

    You are an expert in writing country song lyrics, well-versed in pop country and traditional country music. You understand the nuances of songwriting and lyric construction, from capturing emotions to building a story.

Let’s break down the process of writing compelling country song lyrics step by step:

Identify the Theme: Start by choosing a theme or subject. Country songs often revolve around themes like love, heartbreak, small-town life, nostalgia, or overcoming hardship. What specific theme or story will this song convey?

Set the Tone and Mood: Determine the tone of the song. Is it upbeat, melancholic, reflective, or rebellious? The tone will influence the choice of words, melody, and rhythm.

Create a Character or Narrator: Many country songs have a strong narrative voice. Who is telling the story in this song? Is it first-person or third-person? Are they recalling an experience or narrating an event?

Craft a Hook or Chorus: The chorus is the heart of the song. Think about a catchy, relatable hook that resonates with the theme. What is the central message or emotion the listener should take away from the song?

Build the Verses: Start constructing the verses by detailing the story or expanding on the theme. Each verse should contribute to the progression of the song, offering vivid imagery or deeper emotional context. How will the story unfold from verse to verse?

Add a Bridge (Optional): A bridge often introduces a twist or a different perspective. How can you introduce a new element or emotion at this point in the song?

Refine the Lyrics: Go over the lyrics to make sure they flow well with the melody, rhythm, and tone. Are there any lines that can be more vivid, emotional, or concise?

Think through each of these steps carefully, and now, based on this process, write the lyrics for a compelling country song.

    Claude Sonnet 3.5 returns:

    Here's the prompt converted into a chain-of-thought format:

You are an expert in writing country song lyrics. You know pop country, country music, song writing, and song lyric construction. Today you'll be writing lyrics for a country song. To create compelling country song lyrics, think through the following steps:

1. Theme selection:
   - What are common themes in country music?
   - Which theme resonates most with current country music trends?
   - How can I choose a relatable yet unique angle on this theme?

2. Story development:
   - What's the narrative arc for this song?
   - Who are the main characters?
   - What's the setting?
   - What conflict or emotion drives the story?

3. Hook creation:
   - What's a catchy, memorable phrase that encapsulates the song's essence?
   - How can I make this hook both lyrically and melodically appealing?

4. Verse construction:
   - How do I introduce the story and characters in the first verse?
   - What details can I include to make the story vivid and relatable?
   - How do I build tension or emotion as the verses progress?

5. Chorus crafting:
   - How does the chorus reinforce the main theme?
   - How can I make it emotionally resonant and singable?
   - What imagery or phrases will stick in listeners' minds?

6. Bridge development:
   - How can the bridge provide a new perspective or twist on the theme?
   - What emotional climax can I build towards?

7. Language and imagery:
   - What country-specific vocabulary or idioms can I incorporate?
   - How can I use vivid, sensory details to bring the story to life?
   - What metaphors or similes would enhance the lyrics without being cliché?

8. Structure and flow:
   - How should I arrange the verses, chorus, and bridge for maximum impact?
   - How can I ensure smooth transitions between sections?

9. Emotional resonance:
   - How can I make the lyrics genuinely moving or relatable?
   - What universal emotions or experiences can I tap into?

10. Polish and refine:
    - Are there any words or phrases that could be stronger or more authentic?
    - Does the song have a satisfying resolution or ending?
    - How well do the lyrics fit with typical country music rhythms and cadences?

Now, considering these steps, let's begin crafting compelling country song lyrics. What theme shall we explore first?

    We see each model comes back with something that’s optimized for its architecture and knowledge.

    It’s important to note here that each prompt optimization is optimized for that specific model. You can use any of these prompts in any of the other models and will probably get good results, but you’ll get the best results by using the prompt generated by a model with that same model.

    Part 3: Frameworks

    Now, let’s do the big unlock for you. What is a framework?

    When I say framework, I don’t mean in prompt engineering and AI. I mean in your business. In marketing. In finance. In HR.

    For example, here are some popular B-school frameworks:

    • SWOT analysis: strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats
    • Porter’s Five Forces: threat of substitute products, bargaining power of buyers, bargaining power of suppliers, threat of entry, power of suppliers
    • PEST analysis: political, economic, social, and technological factors influencing business
    • BCG Growth Share matrix: cash cows, dogs, problem children, stars

    What are these all?

    Yes. You guessed it. They’re all chains of thought. They’re all step by step processes to reach a set of conclusions.

    Which means… you can use either manual or automated chain of thought prompting to use AI in this kind of work, in this kind of thinking.

    Let’s look at an example, using the venerable SWOT analysis. First, using the Trust Insights PARE framework, we should prime the model to get an understanding of what it thinks SWOT analysis is:

    You're an expert management consultant, the likes of a person who works at McKinsey, Bain, or BCG. You know management consulting, corporate strategy, business strategy, strategic planning. First, what do you know about SWOT analysis? After you list out your knowledge, explain what you believe the strengths and weaknesses are. Finally, explain what expert tips and tricks you know about SWOT analysis that you didn't already cover. Return your explanation in outline form.

    When we use this prompt, we’ll get a long, long list of output from most models. We should carefully inspect these results and provide any necessary corrections in its knowledge.

    From there, we could ask the model to convert it to a chain of thought prompt, something like this:

    Using everything we've discussed so far about SWOT analysis, convert it into a prompt for use with generative AI and large language models. Specifically, in prompt engineering, build a chain of thought prompt. The purpose of the prompt is to conduct a SWOT analysis. The user will upload relevant information about a company and its competitors. From that information, you'll conduct a SWOT analysis and return the results in an outline, with Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, and Threats as major headings in the outline. Create the chain of thought prompt:

    What do we get? I’ll spare you the endless scrolling of the model outputs here, but suffice it to say any frontier/foundation model like the ones I highlighted earlier should give you a decent result.

    That’s pretty useful, right? All those frameworks you learned in business school can be given a new lease on life by relying on their true nature as a set of instructions, a recipe. With the help of generative AI, we can turn them from passive concepts in a slide deck to active processes, recipes we can use.

    Part 4: The Big Unlock

    Here’s the really big unlock. Everyone and their cousin knows the big public frameworks like SWOT and Porter’s Five Forces. If we want to stand out in generative AI, we shouldn’t just use what everyone else is using, shouldn’t just do what everyone else is doing.

    No, the winners in AI – something I say in my keynote talks all the time (now booking for 2025) is: whoever has the most, best ideas will win in the age of AI.

    Whoever has the most, best ideas will win in the age of AI.

    Everyone has SWOT and PEST. Not everyone has your frameworks, your processes, the special way you do things that you’ve found in your own work. What frameworks do you have that are unique, that are different, that you could take out of your playbook and turn into an app using generative AI?

    Years and years ago, I told you that you needed to put together your Golden Cookbook, the compendium of strategies, tactics, frameworks, and processes that you’ve built in your career. Mine’s up to 281 pages now, years later. How is yours coming along?

    Suppose I took my four models of media monetization framework I built in 2022 to help businesses monetize their audiences better. Right now, that’s a slide. If I narrated my explanation of it and gave it to AI to turn into a chain of thought prompt, I’d have a killer prompt that, with the right data from a company, could give you a rock solid monetization strategy.

    That’s the big unlock. That’s what AI can do for you, with you – to take your unique knowledge, your unique processes and ideas, the things you’ve built in your career, and convert them from knowledge into action, into recipes you can use to create real results. With the processes I’ve shown you in this newsletter, you can now get away from simple, cheesy, commonplace, ineffective prompts into real, meaty, unique prompts that no one else has. You’ll turn those prompts into apps using tools like Google Gems or Custom GPTs or Artifacts, and you’ll create value at scale with AI from the knowledge you uniquely bring to the table.

    Whoever has the most, best ideas will win in the age of AI – and chances are, you’re sitting on a ton of ideas you’ve built. Time to unlock the value of your unique knowledge.

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  • Mind Readings: Scale vs. Quality in the AI Content Marketing World

    Mind Readings: Scale vs. Quality in the AI Content Marketing World

    In today’s episode, you’ll learn why the belief that human-created content is always superior to AI-generated content is a myth. You’ll discover how, beyond a certain quality threshold, scale becomes the dominant factor in content marketing success. We’ll explore the balance between quality and scale, using real-world examples like McDonald’s and Walmart to illustrate the power of consistency and reach. Finally, you’ll learn why ignoring AI’s potential to scale your content production puts you at a significant disadvantage in today’s competitive landscape.

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    In today’s episode, let’s discuss recent LinkedIn discussions among marketers who are very anti-AI, especially regarding content generation. They believe human-led content is superior and will always be, claiming machines will never rival human creativity. This is untrue.

    Last fall, the MIT Sloan School of Management conducted a test showing labeled and unlabeled content (some AI-generated, some human-generated) to different groups. When people didn’t know the content’s origin, they preferred AI-written content for both cause and performance marketing. When told the source, they ranked human and AI equally.

    Why is the belief that “quality always wins” and human-led content is best not true? Because after a certain point, scale wins. After achieving a minimum quality level, scale becomes the deciding factor.

    Consider the real world. Have you ever had a truly amazing burger? Was it at McDonald’s? Probably not. McDonald’s isn’t the best burger, but it offers consistent minimum quality, good pricing, and massive scale. You get a similar Big Mac anywhere in the world. That’s the value of scale—consistent minimum quality.

    Is Walmart the highest-quality shopping experience? No. But it has scale, enabling cost savings. The shopping experience is what it is, but it’s not bespoke.

    Consider content: Is TikTok, YouTube, or BuzzFeed content the pinnacle of quality or authentically human-led? No, it’s about scale—getting people what they want at a minimum quality level and low cost, consistently.

    Marketers resistant to AI are making a choice. If you want artisanal, handcrafted content, that’s fine. But if you need to be productive and scale, not using AI puts you at a disadvantage compared to marketers scaling production with AI.

    Andy Crestodina’s 2024 content marketing report (14 years running) shows 80% of marketers use AI for some content generation. If you’re not in that 80%, you’re fighting with one hand tied behind your back. Today’s content marketplaces prioritize scale—who can create the most content, even if it’s not the best. Your content doesn’t have to be the best; it just has to scale.

    Will AI create a sea of sameness? Yes, but that’s nothing new. We’ve outsourced to content farms and low-cost labor markets for decades; now we use machines instead.

    Should you abandon quality? No, mediocrity isn’t a good goal, but balance it with scale. Imagine you have 100 pennies and two mugs: quality and scale. If you put all your pennies in the quality mug, you’ll be trounced by competitors because today’s content marketplaces value quantity. Every content distribution system (YouTube, LinkedIn, TikTok, etc.) relies on new content to show ads alongside. They reward new content, incentivizing more content. If you’re all in on quality, you’re done. Conversely, all pennies in scale creates garbage that won’t get views.

    You must find a balance—whether it’s 50/50, 60/40, or 30/70—between quality and scale, depending on your KPIs and goals. One hundred pennies in one mug isn’t the answer anymore. If you’re completely resistant to AI, you’re going to have a bad time. The path to continued success in content marketing is using AI to scale. Should you use it for everything? No. Could you use it for some things? Yes. Figure out what those things are, and figure it out soon. That’s it for today’s episode. Thanks for tuning in. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button, subscribe, and hit the bell button for notifications. Thank you.

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  • Mind Readings: Let Generative AI Write Its Own Prompts

    Mind Readings: Let Generative AI Write Its Own Prompts

    In today’s episode, you’ll discover a game-changing approach to prompt engineering: let the AI write your prompts! You’ll see how different AI models respond uniquely to the same prompt, highlighting the need for model-specific optimization. You’ll learn how to use a meta-prompting technique to get each AI to generate the most effective prompt for itself, leading to vastly improved results. Finally, you’ll understand why this method is superior to manually crafting prompts and how to implement it for optimal performance.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about prompt writing. Stop writing prompts for language models yourself—that’s a bit facetious, but stop trying to do it all yourself. I was talking to a friend about a prompt that wasn’t delivering good results. They were used to writing prompts for OpenAI models like GPT-4, but they were using a very different model—Mistral. Prompts that work well in one system don’t necessarily work well in another, especially if there’s a big difference in the underlying model. Even among foundation models and frontier models, prompts and internal model architecture differ. Gemini, for example, has very different internal censorship than ChatGPT; you can’t talk about politics with Gemini at all—it gives a flat-out refusal. ChatGPT won’t talk about some things, while Gemini will. Claude has a very different coding style than Gemini and ChatGPT. The models can learn from each other, but you can’t copy and paste a prompt and expect the same results. You can’t take a librarian from the New York Public Library, put them in the Boston Public Library, and expect them to know where everything is immediately.

    So, what do you do? Ask the model to write a prompt for you—rewrite a prompt for you. Give it something and say, “Please rewrite this to accomplish this goal.” Let’s do a quick example. I’ll use Google’s Gemini. Let’s build a prompt that isn’t great: “Let’s write a sonnet in Shakespearean style about the difficulties of changing the oil on my Toyota Prius. It should have the flavor and language of a Shakespearean sonnet.” This isn’t a great prompt. If I put this into Gemini, I get one result. Let’s do the same prompt in ChatGPT. It’s okay, but not great.

    Suppose I want to improve this. I’ll take my unoptimized prompt, add some spaces, and say, “Please rewrite this prompt to be as effective as possible in ChatGPT. The purpose is to build a compelling sonnet in Shakespearean style. Rewrite the prompt to accomplish this purpose. Write the prompt in the second-person imperative.” This will have ChatGPT build the prompt the way it thinks it should be done. ChatGPT came up with: “Compose a sonnet in the style of Shakespeare, capturing the essence of his language and tone. The subject should be the challenges of changing the oil under a Toyota Prius. Infuse the sonnet with intricate language, rhyme scheme, and structure, evoking both the humor and frustration inherent in the task. Write the sonnet as though Shakespeare himself were reflecting on this modern dilemma.” That’s a much more thorough prompt than my original.

    Let’s go back to Gemini and paste the same instructions. Gemini didn’t do that at all; it tried to write the sonnet instead of following directions. Let’s try this in AI Studio using Gemini Pro 2: “Craft a Shakespearean sonnet detailing the tribulations of a Prius oil change, infused with the authentic language and dramatic flair of the Bard. Deliver the completed sonnet.” That’s very different from the ChatGPT prompt. Let’s see what Anthropic’s Claude does: “Rewrite the prompt in the second-person imperative. Channel the Bard’s eloquence, wit, and meter to elevate this mundane task. Employ iambic pentameter and the Shakespearean rhyme scheme. Infuse diverse Shakespearean diction, rich imagery, and poetic devices. Contrast the modern Prius with Elizabethan sensibilities for humorous effect. Dramatize the struggle between man and machine.”

    We took the same prompt and asked the systems to rewrite it in their own language. Look how differently each system operates: ChatGPT is compact; Gemini is super compact; Claude is verbose. You could use the Trust Insights 5P framework to preload the model with best practices about writing sonnets. The internal model architecture differs so much that what we think is a simple prompt will yield very different results if we ask the tool to rewrite it. These results will be better than what we’d generate because the tool uses its own internal language. If I were to have Claude write a sonnet, I’d take this prompt, start a new chat, and give it the prompt.

    In my prompt library, I specify which model a prompt is for. I don’t want to use a Gemini prompt in ChatGPT because they have very different internal architectures. If you follow this process, you’ll get optimum performance because the model itself tells you how it works best. By using this meta-prompting framework, you’ll get great results. That’s it for this episode. Thanks for tuning in. Talk to you next time. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button, subscribe, and hit the bell button for notifications. Thank you.

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  • Mind Readings: Same is Lame Even in Generative AI

    Mind Readings: Same is Lame Even in Generative AI

    In today’s episode, you’ll discover why the current trend of using AI to generate identical-sounding podcasts is a major mistake. You’ll learn how the ease of using tools like NotebookLM has led to a sea of sameness, diminishing brand differentiation. You’ll explore how to avoid this trap and leverage AI to create unique and engaging content that truly stands out from the crowd. I’ll show you how easy it is to replicate the technology, giving you the tools to create something truly different.

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    In today’s episode, my friend Jay Baer famously said, “Same is lame.” This is incredibly true. When everyone does the same thing, when everything looks, sounds, and feels the same, it’s lame. There’s no brand differentiation; nothing makes you stand out. When you create the same thing as everyone else, nothing sets you apart. People see a sea of sameness and don’t know who to buy from.

    The latest AI craze is marketers using NotebookLM from Google, a rag-locked generative AI tool. This means it only answers questions about the data you give it. You upload documents and ask questions. If you’re doing academic research where you can’t afford the machine to make things up (hallucinate, in technical terms), this is a great tool. It’s fantastic because it will say it can’t answer a question. For example: “What are some ways this paper addresses long COVID?” If the uploaded paper has nothing to do with long COVID, Notebook LM will say so. This is what you want for high-risk research.

    But people have glommed onto the audio overview feature, which generates a podcast-like two-host conversation summarizing your paper. I’ll play a snippet after converting it to MP3.

    (Audio snippet plays)

    It’s wild. We have AIs generating text, code, etc., but the final polish is missing—that step back to say, “This could be better.” Humans take that for granted; we don’t always nail it the first time, but we can usually spot what’s off. That’s the Holy Grail with AI right now. That was pretty good.

    Behind the scenes, Google likely passes the document through a prompt in Gemini 1.5 (the same engine powering Notebook LM), generating a script that two voices read. These are Journey voices from Google’s text-to-speech product. They’re very recognizable.

    What’s the problem? It seems like a great application of technology, and it is. But many lazy marketers are saying, “I can just put a document in and it’ll generate a podcast.” That’s fair, but it’s all the same. Hundreds of deep-dive expert podcasts have popped up in the last two weeks—all Notebook LM readouts. They all sound the same. Marketers have created a sea of sameness. Every informational podcast uses the same two neural voices from Google TTS. Nothing sets your brand apart.

    You could replicate this—and I encourage you to—by taking a language model to summarize a document, have it write a script, and use a TTS model with multiple voices to read it aloud. There are open-source projects replicating Notebook LM’s functionality, giving you more control over summary length and voice selection. You could even use your own voice with a tool like 11 Labs. There’s a market for personality-free audio content—nobody expects a powerful personal brand to read the weather report. But if you’re trying to build a brand, leverage your unique voice, and unique points of view, this isn’t the tool to use.

    The good news is that it’s easier than ever to stand out when everyone else is using the easy button and creating same-sounding content. That’s it for this episode. Thanks for tuning in. Talk to you soon. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button, subscribe, and hit the bell button for notifications. Thank you.

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  • Mind Readings: AI Detectors Are a Joke

    Mind Readings: AI Detectors Are a Joke

    In today’s episode, you’ll discover why AI detectors are essentially useless, and how their flawed methodology leads to inaccurate and potentially damaging results. You’ll learn about the limitations of these tools and see a real-world example of how they fail spectacularly, even with historical documents. You’ll gain insights into why focusing on critical thinking skills is far more valuable than relying on unreliable technology. Finally, you’ll be equipped with the knowledge to challenge the misuse of AI detectors in education and hiring.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about AI detectors and AI detection. Let’s bring up the most advanced and reliable ChatGPT predictor in the world—according to their own marketing. Let’s put in some text and see how well it detects AI. Remember, this isn’t a plagiarism detector; it’s an AI detector. Was this text generated by AI? Plagiarism is different. Let’s detect the text.

    96% AI generated. Wow. That’s incredible. What’s the text? The Declaration of Independence—written 246 years before ChatGPT. AI detectors are a joke. They’re garbage. Their accuracy is less than a coin flip. This is a very confident assessment from the self-proclaimed most advanced and reliable AI detector on the market—246 years before ChatGPT existed. I put in a document we know was human-written. Now, either space aliens, Skynet, or someone sent a Terminator back in time to write the Declaration, or this thing is just broken. It is just broken.

    Why does this happen? Why are we getting this result? A couple of reasons. First, AI detectors—most on the market—use a relatively small number of metrics, two of which are well-known: perplexity and burstiness. These metrics judge whether a document is AI-generated. Perplexity is the variance in language; more variety means the tool is less likely to think your text is AI-written. Burstiness considers things like line and paragraph length—if everything is evenly spaced, the tool thinks it’s AI-generated.

    Why would it think the Declaration of Independence—obviously not machine-generated—was AI-written? If we look at the section listing complaints against England, we see a lot of similar line lengths. That’s going to get picked up. There are also many similar words and tokens. The phrasing—”He has done this, he has done this”—is repetitive. An AI detector will flag this repetition, concluding it must be AI-generated. It’s a very specific kind of document.

    Second, many detectors use primitive metrics and straightforward, fast, and cheap code, or they use very small language models—again, fast and cheap. As a result, they’re not very capable; they’re kind of dumb. They may have been trained on purely generated texts, learning characteristics like perplexity and burstiness. All of it is worthless. AI detectors are worthless; they are garbage. Show this example; show this video; run the test yourself. I originally posted this on LinkedIn, and I got a lot of feedback. Many people said their kids were suspended from school or put on academic probation because schools used these tools as gospel, claiming academic integrity violations. No, the tools are garbage. Stop using them. Educational institutions should stop using them, period. They’re worthless.

    I saw another comment on the LinkedIn post about someone turned down for a job because their resume and cover letter were flagged as AI-generated. The hiring manager, using a detection tool, concluded the applicant wasn’t real and didn’t offer the job. This has real-world consequences because someone is using a tool they think is good, but it’s not. It’s garbage. If you are a parent, use this example to show your school board and school administration how worthless these tools are. If you’re at a company and the HR person or hiring manager is using one of these tools, tell them to stop immediately because they’re worthless. They’re no good; they’re less than a coin flip in accuracy. To judge whether something’s AI-generated, flip a coin—you’ll get better results mathematically.

    Are there giveaways that something is AI-generated? Yes, but fewer every day as models advance. They get better as they’re trained and tuned, and the big tech companies making AI models have far more budget, technical capabilities, and people than those making AI detectors. So, the models are accelerating far faster than detection abilities.

    What’s the solution? Two things. First, does AI detection matter? Does it really matter whether a student wrote the paper or wrote a good prompt to generate it? If it matters that the student wrote it, ask yourself why. You want them to be able to think; writing is thinking. There are other ways to measure that. Ask students questions in class; debate points and see how much background knowledge they retain. Let’s not bother with term papers—it’s a waste of time. Machines can write better term papers than humans. Let’s do things like Socratic debates. Framingham State University, near my house, has students write papers with ChatGPT, then critiques them in small groups, identifying errors, overgeneralizations, and areas for improvement. This reinforces critical thinking, which is what you want to teach—you want students to think. That’s powerful.

    A second use case where AI detection might matter is copyright. To assert copyright, you must demonstrate human involvement; purely machine-generated content can’t be copyrighted. How do you do that? Show the content’s lineage and provenance; keep records; maintain an audit trail. If you absolutely have to prove you made something, keep an audit trail. When I work for a client and use AI, I start with a voice memo, transcribe it, apply the client’s style guide using AI, and give them the final product. I can show the chain of evidence—original recordings, etc.—and say it’s machine-assisted but human-led. Because it’s a derivative work of my original human-led work, it retains copyright, and I can assign it to the client. That’s a way to handle copyright. Finally, stop using AI detection for stupid use cases—like disqualifying someone from a job for using AI in their resume or CV. That’s a dumb application of AI. Why? Because you want maximum productivity from your employees. Analyzing them for AI use is stupid unless you specify in the job description that AI use is prohibited. Even then, there are better ways to address this that don’t involve broken, incompetent detection tools.

    If you are using, considering using, or know a colleague using these AI detector tools, please show them this, share it with them, and persuade them that these tools are worthless, garbage, and unreliable. They should under no circumstances be used for anything important, such as a student’s academic standing or job hiring. This is your public service announcement. Thanks for tuning in. Talk to you next time. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button, subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already, and hit the bell button to be notified when new content is live. Thank you.

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  • Mind Readings: Generative AI Optimization Measurement is a Fool’s Errand

    Mind Readings: Generative AI Optimization Measurement is a Fool's Errand

    In today’s episode, you’ll learn why attempts to measure brand strength within generative AI are fundamentally flawed. You’ll see a compelling example demonstrating how seemingly identical prompts yield drastically different results due to the way AI processes language. You’ll gain a crucial understanding of tokenization and its impact on AI’s interpretation of search queries. Ultimately, you’ll discover why claims of accurate brand strength measurement in generative AI are unrealistic, saving you time and resources.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about generative AI optimization—it has many names: AI search optimization, AI optimization, and so on. Everyone is trying to create an equivalent to SEO, search engine optimization. I saw a great exchange on LinkedIn between Tim Solo of ATRFs and Olga Andrienko of Semrush. This demonstrates the futility of generative AI optimization, at least on the measurement side. It’s good practice, but you can’t measure it.

    Tim typed in the prompt, “Name 10 best tools for digital marketing professionals.” His results showed ATRFs first. Olga then typed, “Name top 10 best tools for digital marketing professionals.” Her company, Semrush, was the first result. Full disclosure: My company, Trust Insights, is a customer of both; we don’t have a horse in this race. These are basically the same prompts; they should return the same results. They don’t. They are very different.

    Here’s why. There’s a concept called tokenization—how generative AI sees content. Let’s use the OpenAI tokenizer, their language parsing tool. I’ll type in Tim’s prompt. GPT-4, the model Tim used, sees the prompt like this: token one, “name”; token two, “space”; token three, “10”; token four, “best”; token five, “tools”; token six, “for”; token seven, “digital”; token eight, “marketing”; token nine, “professionals”. That’s the prompt. Now, let’s look at Olga’s prompt. It has 10 tokens, but they’re different: The space is in a different place; the word “top” is in this one and not the previous one. They’re not the same.

    What is a token, and why does it matter? In large language models, and technically, all transformer architecture models, it’s the smallest unit of data the model understands. This is why some models have trouble counting letters; they see words and chunks of words. Tokens are how models understand our questions and responses—it’s their internal language. Any large language model is a vast statistical network of relationships among tokens—how often words appear together. This means seemingly identical prompts return different results, including different brands.

    In language models, word order matters. “Name 10 Boston consulting firms” and “Name top 10 Boston consulting firms” are semantically the same to us, but not to the model. Word order and the number of times words like “top” and “Boston” appear together are different, resulting in different results. Things like “top 10 best” and “10 best” have different statistical relationships; they’re linked to different training data. In OpenAI’s tokenizer, a period is a separate token, invoking different probabilities.

    Suppose the GPT-4 model saw two articles in its training data: one titled, “The 10 Best Digital Marketing Tools” (listing AHREFS first), and a YouTube video titled, “My Top 10 Amazing Digital Marketing Tools” (listing Semrush first). When prompted, the model prefers closer semantic matches—Tim’s prompt gets the article; Olga’s gets the video. They draw probabilities from different training data, generating different results. Neither brand is winning; they invoked different parts of the model. It’s like asking a librarian for “The Joy of Cooking” versus “Cooking with Joy”—different books. Neither book is better; the library just returned a different book.

    Even small language deviations yield different results—adding or removing a period changes results. Anyone claiming they can measure brand strength in large language models is delusional or lying—unless they’ve spent hundreds of thousands of dollars finding every possible way to ask the same question per brand. That assumes the same starting point—most people don’t use generative AI as a search engine. They might use it to find things, but they don’t use it as a search engine. We’re conditioned to type things like, “Best Boston consulting firm near me”—you’d never say that to a person. When chatting with ChatGPT, you’d say, “I’m thinking about doing this…what’s a good consulting firm?”

    The search query alone is difficult to predict, but predicting brand mentions in conversation is impossible. All those people selling “brand strength wizards”—no, you can’t realistically measure brand strength in language models today. You can’t even compare apples to apples because apples to apples will be different. Everything is different. Should you try to influence language models? Yes—make sure your brand is in the training data. Can you measure the impact? Yes—look at referrals and website traffic from Perplexity, ChatGPT, etc. You can see that in your referral data. Can you compare with a competitor? No, unless you have access to their web analytics, and even then, you can’t necessarily tell because that only accounts for clickable links, not conversations. You can’t measure those brand impressions because there’s nothing to click on.

    Do not believe anyone who says they can accurately measure your brand strength in a generative AI system today. It cannot be done in any meaningful fashion. That’s it for this episode. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you soon. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button, subscribe to my channel, and hit the bell button to be notified when new content is live. Thank you.

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    Katie asked me this week to cover synthetic ideal customer profiles intended for use with AI. Now, we’ve talked at length about these, which you can see here, here, and here, and of course my company offers the creation of these as a service, which you can find here.

    So since we’ve got all that covered, let’s talk about what you DO with an ideal customer profile. All too often, people take a document like an ICP and… shelve it. It becomes attractive binder-ware, sitting next to your SWOT analysis and that expensive product-market fit analysis you hired that very expensive consulting firm to do.

    This is a terrible fate for any useful document, but none moreso than an ideal customer profile. Let’s dig into some examples of what you can DO with these things.

    I strongly recommend you watch the video edition of this week’s newsletter because I walk through many of these examples onscreen.

    Part 1: What’s Inside?

    A good ideal customer profile is going to have these basics, which will vary based on your business to some degree but are pretty standard:

    • Demographics: classic 1990s IRC A/S/L (iykyk)
    • Psychographics: stuff like values, opinions, attitudes, activities
    • Firmographics: mainly for B2B, the corporate equivalent of demographics
    • Goals and motivations: what does the customer want to do?
    • Needs and pain points: what stands in the way of the customer’s goals?
    • Buying behaviors: details about how the customer makes decisions

    The difference between a buyer persona and an ICP is that ICPs are generally synthesized from actual data. When Katie builds them for clients, she gathers up a half dozen different data sources and uses generative AI to blend them together.

    Here’s the key to a good ICP. In general, for making use of an ICP with AI, it should contain as much relevant, specific information as possible. More is better as long as it’s relevant and specific, because we’ll be using them with generative AI. You don’t have to worry about overwhelming a stakeholder’s mere human brain with lots of details when you’re using ICPs with AI – a key difference between the ICPs you’re probably used to and a synthetic ICP intended for use with AI.

    Part 2: Obvious Use Cases

    Once you’ve got a solid ICP that’s ready for generative AI, there’s a universe of things you can do with them. Load into a generative AI system of choice and have it:

    • Validate your marketing copy
    • Brainstorm ideas for content by talking with your ICP
    • Test things like email subject lines, ad copy, etc.

    How you do this is more important than the tasks themselves. A lot of people approach these tasks very naively as opposed to rigorously. What do I mean?

    Naive use of an ICP is giving it to generative AI and then just asking it basic questions like “Hey, what do you think of this idea?”. With a detailed ICP, that will still generate good results, but they’re not going to be optimal results.

    What should you do? There’s a defined process I use with things like ICPs when it comes to evaluation:

    • Prime the model with background information, including the ICP
    • Summarize the information into best practices to reinforce its importance within the conversation (changing the in-conversation weights)
    • Build a scoring rubric for the evaluation process
    • Evaluate using the rubric and the best practices
    • Encapsulate the rubric and best practices into an app

    Here’s a simple example. Suppose I want to evaluate whether a blog post meets the needs of our ICP. I’d do the following:

    • Ask the model what good quality blog content is using the Trust Insights PARE framework
    • Load the ICP
    • Summarize high quality content
    • Build a scoring rubric for quality content that aligns with the ICP
    • Evaluate a piece of content to ensure the system works as intended
    • Put the rubric and quality outline into a Gem/GPT/artifact

    For simple evaluation tasks, building apps like Gems, GPTs, and Artifacts is the easiest way to effectively scale the use of AI with an ICP at your company. Once you go through this process for a specific task, you can hand over the finished app to others and then they can benefit from your expert development.

    Part 3: Less Obvious Use Cases

    Asking an AI model to evaluate something like content against an ICP is a great, simple, easy use case. A less obvious but similar use case is turning your ICP into buyer personas and having those buyer personas have a conversation with you for things like product market fit.

    Here’s an example. Katie and the Trust Insights team built an ICP for me as a keynote speaker, to help better guide my marketing efforts at being hired as a keynote speaker by events and conferences. That’s a solid, straightforward use case. We have no shortage of data about who event planners are or the things that are important to them.

    I could just hand a talk or talk summary to that ICP and ask it to evaluate and score how well the talk would meet their needs as an event planner. That’s useful. But what if I took a step back and had several different event planners at a table, and had a conversation with them about an upcoming talk?

    Using the ICP, I’ll direct my AI tool to split it into three synthetic customers – an event planner for a major marketing conference, an event planner for an industry conference in a vertical like healthcare, and an event planner for an individual corporation.

    Why do this? Because an ICP is so rich and robust with real data, assembled from real data, generative AI tools can infer a great deal from that data, extrapolating it into personas that have differing goals and motivations. The needs of a corporate event planner needing a speaker for a sales kickoff are somewhat aligned but somewhat different from a speaking planner for a major marketing conference.

    Unlike talking to a monolithic profile, using the ICP as the basis for personas also allows you to create adversarial variants, personas that might not be as receptive to your sales and marketing. This is a great way to see how different segments of the market might react; telling the model to generate a skeptic or an outright critic of your company can give you a much wider perspective of how the market might see you.

    Part 4: Challenging Use Cases

    Now, let’s kick things up a notch, as the cooking show aphorism goes. What are some more technically challenging use cases for ICPs?

    Well, for one thing you can talk to them directly, as though they were real people. I have an example using OpenAI’s ChatGPT Advanced Voice Mode in the video edition. This week, OpenAI announced we can use those same voices via their API, so you can build entire apps around them.

    I did an example this week using Google’s synthetic voices for a live, phone call-style focus group in which I talk to two variants of our Ideal Customer Profile. You’ll see a snippet of that in the video edition as well.

    Beyond this, you can build an entire synthetic advisory service. For example, you could take one of your personas, a pile of marketing news for the week, and have your ICP-based persona email you asking questions about what the news means for their business. Or, since everyone’s in love with podcasts made by AI, have one or two of your personas discussing marketing news of the week and then interviewing you as the expert on the topic.

    Want to kick it up even more? Take the ideal customer profile and use it with a CRM agent as an advanced form of lead scoring. Every lead that comes in, a generative AI model can use the ICP to score how similar the new lead is to the ICP. Think of it instead of product market fit as lead fit, and use it as an additional scoring mechanism to prioritize and sort your prospects and leads in your marketing. (more on building AI agents here)

    Part 5: Wrapping Up

    As with so many other things, people have a tendency to treat ideal customer profiles as just another document on the pile, when in reality they’re the basis for some of the most powerful generative AI work you can accomplish. You know who your customer is, or who you want your customer to be. Now bind that knowledge to as many aspects of your operations as possible, and you’ll turn shelfware into real revenue.

    Blatant pitch: if you’d like one of our AI-powered synthetic ICPs, just visit here and book some time with Katie to get one.

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  • Mind Readings: Making a Podcast with Generative AI, Part 5

    Mind Readings: Making a Podcast with Generative AI, Part 5

    In today’s final episode, you’ll discover a workaround for creating your AI-powered podcast interview if you lack specialized audio equipment. You’ll learn a simple recording technique using your smartphone and standard recording software, along with essential post-production tips for syncing audio and achieving professional results. Don’t let technical limitations hold you back from creating engaging podcast content!

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    Welcome back! This is our fifth and final part in the series on doing an interesting interview with a tool like ChatGPT. In part one, I talked about the audio setup and getting the model primed to do interviews. In part two, we built the synthetic personality, Grace Parker Thompson (whose initials are GPT), and did the creation of that personality. In part three, we recorded the interview. In part four, we did the editing of the interview to show how you process it. In this fifth and final part, this is what I would call the troubleshooting episode, because I realized as I was walking through this, if you know your audio gear, it’s pretty straightforward to set up. It’s a pain, but it’s straightforward; you know how to do it. If you don’t know your audio gear, it’s not as fun—and by “not as fun,” I mean it’s miserable.

    So, here’s the workaround episode for doing this interview, with the caveat that it’s more work on the back end to sew it together. You’re going to need a few things. Number one, you’re going to need some kind of recording software for your normal studio. You could be using StreamYard, Riverside, Zencastr, or whatever the recording tool of your choice is: Audition, Camtasia, you name it. You want to have your normal setup for a podcast. You also want to have your smartphone with your ChatGPT paid subscription.

    What you’re going to need to do is hit record on your main thing, then go into your settings and hit record and start your screen recording on the device. This is going to record the audio from the device and save it as a movie on the device. Now you’re ready to start using this, with the caveat that you’re going to have to sew these things together. So, what you should do is clap three times unevenly so that when you’re editing the audio later you can line it up. Like that. That will make it way easier to do the editing later.

    Next, go ahead and start the interview process. Let me get my system prompt up here. Remember, until this supports custom GPTs (which it does not now), you’re going to need to do this manually. I’m going to hit the advanced button, wait for the dot to turn blue…there we are. We’ve got our blue dot.

    “You are Grace Parker Thompson, an experienced podcast host for insightful, challenging interviews. Your goal is to ask non-obvious, thought-provoking questions and push the guest (me) politely and civilly to share new insights not covered elsewhere. Begin by researching the guest’s background deeply. Avoid common questions and focus on asking reflective, open-ended ones. If the guest evades, redirect politely and ask for more depth. Use silence to encourage thoughtful responses and request specific examples when needed. Tailor your energy to the guest while steering the conversation towards new knowledge or unspoken stories. Always ask follow-up questions and focus on eliciting fresh perspectives, especially in areas that are overlooked or that the guest is being cagey about. Close with a big, forward-looking or reflective question. Throughout the interview, maintain a balance of warmth and firmness, ensuring the guest feels comfortable but engaged in offering meaningful insights.”

    “Wow, that’s a pretty thorough breakdown for hosting an insightful podcast interview! If you’re aiming to challenge your guest and dive deep into unexplored topics, you’ve got to be ready to listen closely.”

    “Okay, I want you to be Grace Parker Thompson and interview me. My name is Christopher Penn. I’m the co-founder and chief data scientist of TrustInsights.ai, and today I want you to interview me about my new book, The Intelligence Revolution, about the rise of generative AI and how we are using it. The book goes into what large language models are, the history behind them. It talks about the six major use cases: classification, generation, extraction, rewriting, summarization, and question answering. I then go into the risks of AI, such as copyright issues and legal issues dealing with deepfakes and the ways the tools can be misused. At the end of the book, I talk about its impact on jobs and how it’s going to look like agriculture and the automation revolution, where one farmer became far more productive over a period of time, and so there are fewer people working in agriculture today than there ever were, but it’s producing more food than ever. I think that AI is going to look the same for knowledge workers. So, with that background information, let’s start the interview.”

    “Great to have you on the show, Christopher! Your book, The Intelligence Revolution, sounds like a comprehensive dive into the world of generative AI. Let’s start with a foundational question: in your view, how do large language models represent a turning point in our interaction with technology?”

    “So, large language models are a major change from previous technologies because of the nature of the transformer architecture. They allow us to converse with computers in natural language and have it actually be understood, which is a major change from all forms of previous natural language processing. In particular, it allows us to write and chat with these tools in plain language even though we are effectively programming them—in English, Danish, Ukrainian—instead of C, Java, or Python. It is that architecture that is context-aware and that is trained on massive amounts of data that allows these tools to be incredibly powerful, far more than any previous language interface to computers.”

    “That’s a fascinating shift from traditional programming. Given this leap in how we interact with AI, do you think we’re prepared for the ethical implications, especially around issues like deepfakes and misinformation? How do we navigate these challenges?”

    “We’re completely unprepared.”

    Now, I’m going to pause the interview there. So, what we need to do next is turn off the screen recording on our device. Now we need to connect our device to our desktop so that the screen recording can be pulled off. Then we take our video recording from our main setup, and we take our screen recording. We load that into a tool like Adobe Premiere, and we have to line up the two recordings. You’ll notice that I was holding this here for camera purposes. In reality, you would probably want this as far away from your main microphone (or in the opposite direction of your main microphone) as possible so that you’re not getting echoed audio when you line the two recordings up. I’d say this is a top-address microphone, which means it’s pointed at me, so I’d want to have my phone essentially right on the other side of it. That way, it’s going to pick up as little as possible from that. Or, if you can’t do that, maybe even put in some wired headphones straight into your phone so you can hear the questions that it’s asking you, but you don’t get that audio feedback when you sew the recordings together.

    So that’s the “more work in post-production” version to accomplish the same thing. But if you are skilled with audio and video editing, you’ll be able to do that and make the same quality show. It is easier to have it be synchronous; it is easier to have it all going through one soundboard. But again, a lot of people, if you don’t have a several-hundred-dollar soundboard, or you don’t have the wiring for it, this two-party recording and then lining it up in post-production is easier.

    So that is going to do it for the end of this series on using generative AI as a podcast interviewer, so that it’s asking you interesting questions. You, the human, are being showcased as the expert, as the brains behind it. That builds your brand that is uniquely you and that is, frankly, more fun to listen to than machines. So, I look forward to hearing from you, and I will talk to you on the next one. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already. And if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.

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  • Mind Readings: Making a Podcast with Generative AI, Part 4

    Mind Readings: Making a Podcast with Generative AI, Part 4

    In today’s episode, you’ll learn the essential post-production steps to polish your AI-generated podcast interview. You’ll gain practical tips on audio leveling, compression, and editing using Adobe Premiere Pro (or your preferred software). Discover how to seamlessly integrate your human touch with AI-generated content to create a truly unique and compelling podcast.

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    Christopher Penn: Welcome back! This is part four in our series on getting interviewed by generative AI and creating a compelling podcast that blends the capabilities of generative AI with you, the human, and what makes you unique. If you’re building a personal brand, if you’re building a marketing platform that’s human-centric, you want to use generative AI in an intelligent way and not just hand everything off. In part one, we talked about setting up the audio, and we talked about getting the priming process done. In part two, we built the system instructions and the synthetic personality. In part three, we did the interview with our synthetic podcast host, Grace Parker Thompson, whose initials obviously are GPT. Now we have to do some processing with it. So, let’s go ahead and switch over to our editing studio.

    I’m using Adobe Premiere; you can use whatever audio or video editing tool you want. The key here is going to be making sure that you are able to handle the data and process the data in an intelligent way. So, let’s go ahead and drag our video in from the last few episodes. We’ll call this “ChatGPT Cast”. Let’s bring in our video. We can see there is the interview with Grace Parker Thompson. Let’s go ahead and open this up and audition it.

    One of the things that you should do when you’re building a podcast is leveling and cleanup. You make the sound better. Frankly, if we look at the waveform here, it’s okay. It’s not horrendous-looking. But we want to give it some compression, give it some leveling. I’m just going to level it; I’m going to hit “Match Loudness” because I want this to be at minus 16 LUFS, which is the audio standard for podcasts. What this will do is just bring the audio up to that level throughout the file.

    Let’s take a look here. Fourteen seconds to finish the process. You should do this for any kind of audio where you’re publishing it and you want people to be able to listen to it because the minus 16 decibel LUFS allows it to be heard in things like vehicles. Okay, let’s hit save. That looks good.

    If I scroll towards the end…it’s still saving. People listen to podcasts in all sorts of different places, and we want our volume to be reasonable so that they don’t have to ride the volume switch. If you wanted to go a bit more advanced, you could, for example, take this and apply some compression to it. So, let’s put some compression—let’s do our model compressor and use the voice thickener, which does a good job of making voices sound, well, thicker, if you will. Again, that makes quieter voices louder and louder voices quieter. Compression is one of the hallmarks of really good, really well-produced audio.

    The next thing to do is look here in Adobe Premiere. We can see the actual transcript that it’s made. So, this makes editing a heck of a lot easier. Let’s go ahead and scroll down to our GPT. There are all of our instructions. And here’s the start of the podcast. So, let’s go ahead and zoom in on this. There’s the start of our podcast. We’re going to cut out the portion we don’t need here. This went for about eight and a half minutes, which is not bad.

    What do you do with this? Well, export it like any other podcast. That’s what you do: you export this thing, and you can put this in a podcast feed, get it transcribed, and so on and so forth. But the key here is that by integrating ChatGPT and its advanced interviewing, it does a really good job of simulating a podcast host. That, in turn, means that it’s something that you can use and create more interesting content than just having machines generate it by themselves.

    With a lot of the AI tools that are out there, they have a tendency to try and take a human out of the loop entirely, like, “Hey, we’ll just make the thing. Here you go; here’s the thing.” If you’re trying to build a personal brand, that kind of sucks. There’s no part of you in there. If you are trying to build a really interesting thought platform, then having machines do it all…there’s nothing in an environment where machines make everything that communicates your expertise. Why should someone want to do business with you? Why should someone hire you? Why should someone listen to you if you’re not there?

    Now, there is a market—I was talking to my friend Tom Webster from Sounds Profitable about this—there is absolutely a market for just generic information read out by machines. That’s been around for decades. Tune in to shortwave radio, and you can listen to METAR reports, which are automated weather reports that just spit out names and numbers of your nearest airport code and get you the information you want. It’s useful, it’s helpful, but there’s no personality behind it. With these tools like the NotebookLM example—again, super useful, but it’s not you. More importantly, everyone else in marketing is making the exact same thing.

    At least when you use a tool like the ChatGPT integration that we’re talking about, and the examples we showed in the first four episodes, you’re in there somewhere. You, the person, are in there, and it’s asking you challenging questions. That’s better than just the machines doing it themselves, especially if you take some time to prime the model properly in advanced voice mode so that you get the kind of interview that you want. Maybe instead of saying, “Ask me challenging questions,” say, “Ask me softball questions. Ask me silly questions. Ask me offbeat questions. Ask me questions that are not about the topic.” That, in turn, will create more entertaining content than just having automated machine summaries. No matter how good the machine summaries get, they’re still not you.

    So, I would encourage you to keep you in your marketing and use tools, as we’ve set up in this example, to do exactly that. In the fifth and final part of this series, I’m going to walk through how you would do this if you just cannot get the synchronous audio. It’s more work, and it’s more post-production work. But if you just don’t have the setup or you don’t have the skills to do all the wiring, then it’ll be a little bit easier. So, stay tuned for that in part five.

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  • Mind Readings: Making a Podcast with Generative AI, Part 3

    Mind Readings: Making a Podcast with Generative AI, Part 3

    In today’s episode, you’ll witness the exciting implementation of our custom AI podcast interviewer using ChatGPT’s advanced voice interface. You’ll learn how to condense complex instructions into concise prompts, observe a real-time AI-driven interview, and discover the potential of this cutting-edge technology. Get ready to experience the future of podcasting!

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    Welcome back! This is part three of our custom generative AI podcast series, trying to get generative AI to help us build a podcast. It’s interesting. In part one, we talked about getting your audio set up, which is by far the hardest part. Part one also looked at getting the best practices for interviewing. In part two, we built the synthetic podcast personality. In this part, we are going to try building and implementing this within ChatGPT’s advanced voice interface.

    Now, I can’t share my screen and have all the audio work, so we’re going to do this the old-fashioned way. This is ChatGPT, the mobile app; this is the paid version. The first thing I’m going to do is copy my system instructions from the previous episode. I’m going to try pasting them into here. Let’s see how we do. So, it is saying I know who I’m going to be. All right, now I’m going to see if this blows up or not. I’m going to press this little button here and see if we can go into voice interface mode. Nope, it won’t let me; it only does the advanced voice in a brand-new thing.

    Okay, so if that won’t work like this right now, then our next trick will be: can we condense this down to a very short script? So, let’s go back to our original chat on podcast interview tips. Say, “Great, can you condense these instructions down to a very short, 150-word prompt that I can read aloud to a generative AI system?” So, we’re going to have to do this entirely with voice. Let’s copy this, paste this here. Let’s clean this up and make it a little more real.

    All right. So, we need to start a brand-new chat to use the advanced voice interface. Let me switch back so that we’re here, and we’re going to see how this does. With ChatGPT and the advanced voice interface, you’ll know you’re in it if the circle on the screen is blue, as opposed to white. So, let me move the speaking script here to the screen.

    “You are Grace Parker Thompson, an experienced podcast host known for asking challenging interview questions. You’re very insightful. Your goal today is to ask non-obvious, thought-provoking questions and push the guest (me) politely and civilly to share new insights not covered elsewhere. Begin by researching the guest background deeply. Avoid common questions and focus on asking reflective, open-ended ones. If the guest evades, redirect politely and ask for more depth. Use silence to encourage thoughtful responses and request specific examples when needed. Tailor your energy to the guest while steering the conversation towards new knowledge or unspoken stories. Always ask follow-up questions and focus on eliciting fresh perspectives, especially in areas that are overlooked. Close with a big, forward-looking or reflective question. Throughout the interview today, as Grace Parker Thompson, you should maintain a balance of warmth and firmness, ensuring the guest (me) feels comfortable but engaged in offering meaningful insights. My name is Christopher Penn. I’m the co-founder and chief data scientist of Trust Insights. I have been working in artificial intelligence and generative AI for years now. I wrote a post on LinkedIn recently where I was testing so-called AI detectors, and I pasted the Declaration of Independence into one of the market-leading AI detectors, and it said it was 97% AI-generated. So clearly, it did a bad job. So that’s our topic for today’s podcast. Grace, take it away.”

    Welcome, Christopher. Your recent post on AI detectors caught my eye, especially with the example using the Declaration of Independence. What do you think this says about the reliability of these detectors in today’s digital landscape?

    That’s a really good question, Grace. The reliability of these detectors is very low because they typically rely on two metrics: burstiness and perplexity. Burstiness is the variation in line length from one line to the next when these tools are creating content. Perplexity is the variety of words used when you generate text. These tools are often built on top of other language models—typically small ones that are relatively cheap. As a result, their detection abilities are honestly hamstrung. This is a big problem, especially in places like academia and some corporations. People’s text that is legitimately human-written is being flagged as AI. In some cases, students are getting expelled from school or suspended. In corporations, people are yelling that this is AI-generated. It’s a really bad situation.

    That’s a fascinating insight, Christopher. Considering this, do you think there’s a risk of these tools creating a sort of AI hysteria, where genuine human creativity and work are unduly questioned? How might this impact the broader conversation about AI’s role in our society?

    That’s an interesting question. I don’t know that what’s going to create hysteria, but it does continue to call into question how reliable AI is. A detector clearly cannot detect that a document written in 1776—246 years before ChatGPT came out—was entirely AI-generated. This is a crisis of confidence in the technology. I think it undermines the technology, and I think it undermines our confidence in our ability to spot it. We—particularly people who do not know the technology well—look at these detection tools and say, “Oh, clearly it’s right. It’s smart, so we should be using it.” Instead, it does a really bad job.

    That’s a compelling point, Christopher. This erosion of trust in AI’s capabilities could have broader implications, particularly as AI continues to integrate into various sectors. Do you see a way forward in improving these tools or in educating users to foster a more nuanced understanding of AI’s limitations?

    Here’s the thing about AI detection: there are relatively few use cases where you would want to do AI detection, and one of them is in the enforcement of copyright. We know that in most nations on Earth, copyright is not something that applies to purely AI-generated works. So, if a company wants to be firmly sure that a piece of text is owned by them, then you would want to know if it was at all generated by machines. Other than that, it’s a much bigger discussion about what constitutes good content. If a machine creates great content, and it serves a customer’s needs, serves an academic need, and it writes clearly, why wouldn’t you use it as opposed to saying, “Oh, we forbid AI”?

    There are also ways to incorporate AI intelligently in things like academia, where, for example, at Framingham State University, the professor who heads the psychology department has students generate papers with ChatGPT. Then they critique those papers and say, “Hey, what did the machine miss?” As a result, they get the critical thinking exercises that you need to be a good, discerning consumer of information, and they get to use machines for what machines are best at.

    That’s an intriguing approach, blending AI with critical thinking to enhance learning. It seems like a key takeaway here is the importance of context in using AI tools. Looking ahead, how do you envision the relationship between AI and human creativity evolving? Will there be a shift in how we perceive and value content creation?

    I think at the end of the day, content has to serve some kind of purpose. Rationally, in a free market economy, whoever creates that content that best serves the needs of a business, an organization, a cause, whatever—that’s the content we should use. Now, I think that AI is a great creative partner. I mean, the very fact that I’m having this conversation with you and turning it into a podcast episode is a sign of that, where you’re asking me good and challenging questions—questions that other people have not asked me. That is something that is different than the stock podcast.

    So, I think AI is a great creative partner. I think there’s a risk of diminishing creative thinking if people just hand everything off to the machines and don’t ask good questions and don’t write great prompts. But I also think that you should be using machines, particularly for the drudgery parts—the literal typing of things out. I think it’d be a great use case of AI for you to have a conversation with a machine, and the machine takes your words and your thoughts that you humanly created and writes them down for you.

    That’s a thought-provoking perspective, Christopher. The idea of AI as a partner handling the mundane to free humans for deeper, more creative thinking is promising. As we wrap up, I’d love to hear your thoughts on one forward-looking question. How do you see the role of AI evolving in your field, especially at the intersection of data science and marketing?

    With AI and data science and marketing, the big thing is people learning that these tools are more than just creative writing tools. A lot of people use them as content generators. It’s the most common use case, and it’s actually one of the things that generative models are least good at. They’re so good at summarization, extraction, and question answering, where you provide a lot of data to the model. In return, you can do stuff at massive scales that no one has ever done before. For example, the other day, I was doing a competitive analysis for a pharmaceutical company. We took 1,900 of their competitors’ open job descriptions and put them into a large language model and said, “Give me a sense of what their 12- to 18-month corporate strategy is based on what they’re hiring for today,” because you don’t hire people for things that are unimportant. You hire people for things that are mission-critical. So, using that data, collecting that data, then asking a language model to do what it does best—summarization, extraction, and classification—allows us to really understand what’s going on. Marketers should be using tools in exactly the same way.

    That’s a powerful example of AI’s potential beyond just content creation, diving into strategic insights. As AI continues to evolve, it’s clear that its role in data science and marketing will only grow, pushing boundaries and opening new avenues for innovation. Thanks for sharing your insights today, Christopher. It’s been a truly enlightening conversation.

    Thank you for having me.

    You’re welcome. It’s been a pleasure. Take care, Christopher.

    Okay. So that was the episode. Now, what do we do with it? This is the end of part three. Let’s take a pause here and then come back in part four. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already. And if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.

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