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  • Almost Timely News, 24-July-2022: The Importance of Community, Recession Data, Stop Funding Disinformation

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    What’s On My Mind: The Vital Importance of Community

    Let’s talk community for a second, and not just in the context of marketing (though marketing also). What is community, and why do we care?

    The standard definition and etymology is “a group of people associated together by fact of residence in the same locality”, from the Latin communis (which is the root word forr common, community, and communism). More broadly, it’s a group of people associated together by something in common.

    These days, community really is about that second aspect, about the association together by something in common. When you look at communities, especially online, we see common interests, interests that bring people together and keep them together. Go into a directory like Disboard or Reddit and you’ll find more communities than you could ever possibly join on virtually any topic.

    So why should we care about community? Community is an insurance policy, as both a concept and as something you should actively be participating in.

    What kind of insurance policy? Like any group of people working together, a strong community comes to the aid of its individual members when one of them needs help. For example, the community that belongs to Beau of the Fifth Column’s YouTube channel was able to muster large quantities of PPE gear at the start of the pandemic for local hospitals in his area that couldn’t get hold of any. Similar things happened all over; I had a small amount of excess stock of N95 masks in early 2020 and a friend’s sister (who was an ICU nurse) desperately needed some for their COVID ward that I was able to provide.

    Even in a commercial sense, a community can help its individual members. Our Slack community, Analytics for Marketers has folks helping each other out every day, answering questions, sharing ideas. For something like bringing attention to a particular initiative, communities can act faster and more effectively than large organizations, and can bypass traditional gatekeepers.

    The benefits of communities don’t stop there. Beyond organizationally, communities can be a huge benefit to individual people. As a species, we evolved to depend on our community, on our local pooled resources. Since the earliest days of hiding together in caves, we have been social animals to survive. We derive pleasure from being around others, especially when we are mutually supported. Those folks who tended to fare worse during the lockdowns of 2020 from a mental health perspective were those who didn’t have communities of some kind they could participate in digitally.

    The analogy of community to an insurance policy is especially apt because it explains why companies rarely succeed with communities to the extent that they might wish, especially from a marketing standpoint. For insurance to work, you have to have a lot of people invest in it over a long period of time with relatively few withdrawals to make the business of insurance financially viable.

    The same is true of community; individuals have to invest a lot into it to gain benefit from it. We cannot simply put a group of people together and expect magic instantly. Moreover, our community from the beginning needs to have that clear sense of common ground, that focal point which binds them together. Sometimes it can be a person, like the legions of fans surrounding a public personality like Taylor Swift. Sometimes it’s a franchise, like people who are fans of Star Trek. Sometimes it’s a concept, like voting rights, but in every case, the common ground is the root of community in both literal and figurative senses.

    Here’s another catch that companies often screw up. Common ground, common interest is almost always rooted in emotion. Sustainable, long-term community success is rooted in emotion. People have to feel something to believe in its importance. They have to have a literal passion for the common ground. If you’re trying to figure out why some communities work and others don’t, examine the emotions first. What kinds of emotions are common to successful communities? Why?

    If you want to know your prospects for success in building a community (professionally or personally), answer a few straightforward questions. How emotionally invested in you are your audience? Do you know? Have you talked to them? Do they proactively talk to you? If so, what do they say, and how do they say it to you?

    Here’s a second test. Tally up the number of actual, real, human audience members you talk to every week, whether it’s by email, social media, private community, in person, etc. If you can count the answer on one hand, you need to invest more time in speaking with the people already in your sphere, in your existing communities – followers on social media, subscribers to your newsletter, etc. Once you get past fingers and have to start counting on toes, you’re starting to talk to enough people to accurately assess your prospects for successful community building.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Model and Algorithm Selection?

    You Ask, I Answer: Model and Algorithm Selection?

    Katherine asks, “How do you know which is the right algorithm or model to choose for any given data set?”

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    In today’s episode, Catherine asks, How do you know which is the right algorithm or model to choose for any given data set? That’s a tough question.

    That’s a tough question, because there’s so many things that can go into those choices.

    The first, obviously, is the data itself, what kind of data you you’ve got, right? If it’s a mix of categorical and continuous numbers and not numbers, that can shed some light as to as to what algorithms are just off the table or not.

    The big thing, though, is, what is the intended outcome, right? Because there’s two fundamental tasks in data science and machine learning.

    There’s regression and classification.

    Classification is hey, we got a bunch of data, we don’t know how to organize it, let’s classify it so that it’s easier to understand the clumps of of data, maybe there’s a way to describe what those clumps are.

    Regression is given a known outcome, what things most closely represent that outcome are most likely that outcome.

    And within each of those two families, you then have a whole series of techniques, like, you know, nearest neighbors, for example, or SVM, for classification, or gradient boosting or lasso and ridge regression for regression analysis.

    The question always is what are the what are the measures of performance that you’re trying to use? So, in classification, the most common metric is called the area under the receiver operating characteristics or AUROC.

    And essentially, it’s a measurement to say how good a dataset classification algorithm or model is, how well it performs, right? Whether it what percentage of true positives versus false positives, it gives off.

    It’d be like, you know, you get a bunch of fruit, and you classify, these are apples, these are pears, these are grapes, etc.

    And your measure of success is how many things wrong you get right? Like, maybe get some really, really, really large grapes, and you misclassify a bunch of them as plums.

    That would be you know, that would have a lower AUROC score than if you were correctly set up.

    These are their large grapes, but they’re still grapes.

    That would get you a higher AUROC score.

    In regression, the most common measures there are the root mean squared error and the R squared number, which are descriptors of how closely a result fits a line, right? So if you have this, this line, or this curve of the regression, how closely does it fit against the existing data? Knowing that lets you know how accurate your analysis was.

    Now, you have a bunch of different tools out there right now, that can sort of test to see how different algorithms perform on data.

    One of the ones I use a lot is called IBM Watson Studio auto AI, you give it a dataset, you give it the outcome you’re after, and it tests all the different algorithms and models and says, Hey, here’s the ones that have the best performance based on the characteristics you’ve specified, like the highest R squared number, the lowest root mean squared error.

    Those tools are huge, huge time savers, because otherwise, you have to test everything by hand, which I’ve done, it’s not fun.

    There’s more and more automated machine learning that does that sort of thing where you give it the outcome and the data, and it will just test out a bunch of things and then let you know, hey, here’s what I found.

    And then it’s up to you, as the data scientist to say, Okay, I think this one is the best blend of performance and accuracy, or this is the best blend of accuracy and fits the kind of outputs we need.

    For example, there are some regression algorithms that cannot output, what’s called variable importance of all the variables that went into the regression, which ones are the most important, which ones have the highest relationship to the outcome we care about in marketing? That kind of algorithm would tell us what channels are working, right.

    So if we’re talking about marketing channels, that type of analysis would be we want to know the and if there’s an algorithm that doesn’t provide variable importance, its usefulness to us is going to be pretty low.

    Right? If that’s if that’s a key requirement.

    So I guess the long answer to the question is, knowing what your requirements are or knowing what your model KPIs are.

    And then using the automation software of your choice to test a bunch of things or do it manually.

    I mean, that’s, that’s always a viable option

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    to see which algorithm or model performs best given the data set.

    And given the requirements that you need to fit it to.

    It’s not easy, right? It’s not fast.

    It’s there’s no easy button.

    Because even if your software chooses an algorithm that fits well, if anything changes in that data set, you’ve got to rerun the process all over again, possibly multiple times.

    So it’s, it’s not a one and done.

    It’s a living, breathing thing.

    But good question.

    It’s an interesting question, and in a very challenging one.

    It’s one of the areas where automated machine learning really can offer substantial measurable benefits to folks who are engaging in machine learning practices.

    So thanks for asking.

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  • Marketers, Stop Funding Disinformation!

    One of the questions people ask most when we see the awful consequences of disinformation – vaccine rejection, mass shootings, seditious acts – is what we can do to prevent it.

    I’ll give you something fast and easy you can do today if you’re in charge of advertising budgets: stop funding disinformation sites.

    It’s super easy to do this if you know your way around advertising systems.

    First, who shouldn’t you fund? This is one of the rare cases where there is a legitimate “both sides” argument: there’s garbage on the internet from radical left-wing and radical right-wing sites that are equally flat out wrong.

    So your first stop should be to AdFontes’ Interactive Media Bias Chart. Take a look at the chart and you’ll see it’s divided into political spectrum horizontally, and truthfulness vertically:

    Ad Chart

    I strongly encourage you not to buy ads from companies in the misleading info category and below, regardless of political position.

    Consider not buying ads on sites that are on the extremes, either. If you don’t love the hyper-polarized environment today, then you shouldn’t put ad dollars in those companies’ pockets.

    Once you’ve got your list of sites/accounts, head over to your ad systems. For example, in Google Ads, you’ll find the placement exclusion lists section under settings:

    Placement exclusions

    Call it whatever you like, then start putting in domain names of sites that are in the disinformation extremes:

    Do not advertise

    Congratulations, you’ve now avoided giving money to sites actively promoting disinformation. Rinse and repeat on every platform where you have the ability to do this – and if an ad platform doesn’t offer these capabilities, then consider not advertising on that platform, lest your money be spent doing things that are probably in opposition to your corporate ethics and values.

    For good or ill, money runs the world. We get what we pay for – and if we, as marketers in control of ad budgets – are funding disinformation, then that’s exactly what we’ll get.


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  • You Ask, I Answer: First Steps With New Data?

    You Ask, I Answer: First Steps With New Data?

    Katherine asks, “What’s the first thing or set of processes you do when you receive new data from a customer?”

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    In today’s episode, Catherine asks, what’s the first thing or set of processes you do when you receive new data from a customer? Probably exploratory data analysis.

    Alright, exploratory data analysis is the data science and machine learning equivalent of looking in the fridge before you cook.

    Right? So you look at, you open up the fridge, you look at what’s in there, and you say, Okay, I’ve got chicken, I don’t have steak, I’ve got onions, but they don’t have peppers, I’ve got carrots, but I don’t have celery, and so on and so forth.

    And based on what you’ve got in the fridge, that dictates what kinds of things you are or not going to cook.

    If you’ve got your heart set on steak, but there’s no beef in the fridge.

    You’re not having steak, right? So when a customer hands over new data, first thing is you look at it, you investigate it, you say, Okay, what’s in the box? Like? What did the customer give me? What condition? Is it in? Is it in good condition is in bad condition? Are there lots of missing variables? or missing data points? Are things labeled correctly? Does the data answer the question that the customer is trying to ask, that’s a critical part of this, if a customer says I want to know social media ROI, and they provide no cost data, you can’t do social media ROI, there’s just no way to do that you’ve got a substantial missing ingredients like baking a loaf of bread, and you’ve got no flour.

    Now, you’re probably not breaking baking bread there.

    So that’s the first part is exploratory data analysis.

    And that’s, you know, eight different parts.

    So you have your goal and your purpose.

    You have your data requirements and data collection, you have your initial analysis, like looking at it, your descriptive analytics, see what kinds of dimensions and metrics are there? You look, do your data quality stuff, like what kinds of quality data is in there? There is recurrent requirements, verification, you’ll look at the data and go okay, Does this answer the question that’s being asked of it.

    And if it doesn’t, you got to start over.

    After that, you’ll do prep, which is cleaning, centering, scaling, etc, you’ll probably do some feature engineering, where you’re going to create new features out of existing ones, like day of week or hour of day, from a date, and then your modeling or your insights, depending on whether you’re going to be pushing a model into production, or just doing an analysis, those are the steps that are vital.

    Anytime you get new data, it’s like anytime you get maybe a delivery of groceries, right? And you have a company that doesn’t shopping for you, and they drop off the box on your doorstep.

    And the first thing you do is you open the box and go okay, did they get my order, right? I ordered apples and there’s pineapples.

    Okay, that’s, that’s not helpful.

    That’s where you start.

    Because that will also help avoid failure later on.

    If a customer hands you data, and that data, there’s something wrong with it.

    The sooner you catch that, the less time and money you waste, right, the less beating your head against the wall, or worst case scenario, you think the data is fine, you’re running an analysis on it, you hand off the results to a customer and it’s wrong.

    And it might be wrong in a subtle way in a way that you don’t catch.

    But then, you know, a month a quarter a year later, the customers like, hey, our business is going down.

    Why? Well, because you made an analysis of bad data.

    Right? It’s like you you’re you eat something that tastes fine the next day, you’re sick.

    Well, yeah, yeah, ate some food that was contaminated.

    And you know, maybe you the next day, you find out that that was not the case.

    Or if it was like a really bad mushroom, you might die 10 days later, because liquefied your internal organs, which can happen.

    So that’s the first most important part, you got to open up that fridge and look inside and see what do we have? And can it make the things that we want to make? If you skip that part, if you skip the exploratory data analysis, you will be in a world of hurt, because at some point, you will be handed data that isn’t clean, that isn’t complete.

    That isn’t correct.

    And you will use it and you will lament your choices.

    I guarantee it.

    So that’s the first and most important step to do before you do anything else.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Time Intensive Data Science Tasks?

    You Ask, I Answer: Time Intensive Data Science Tasks?

    Katherine asks, “What’s the most time intensive part of data science?”

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    In today’s episode, Catherine asks, What’s the most time intensive part of data science? Well, the most time intensive part by far is a Data Prep and feature engineering.

    These are the stages where you are taking data, cleaning it while examining it, cleaning it, preparing it for analysis, preparing it for modeling, doing feature engineering and adding on new features and things.

    That’s probably 80% of data science, for real.

    The actual in depth analysis, the actual machine learning if you’re going to be doing it for machine learning, that’s like 10 to 15% of your time.

    The reason why Data Prep is so time intensive is that despite the raft of companies and software and tools that they claim, they can automate it all away.

    You can’t, you can’t automate it all the way.

    Because in so many cases, what you’re dealing with is stuff that is different every time.

    Right? When you’re looking at a data set of nutrition data, it’s got certain characteristics, when you’re looking at motor data, when you’re looking at environmental data, when you’re looking at email marketing, statistics, all of these things are datasets that are unique and different.

    And though there are common processes and techniques for doing data prep and feature engineering, there is no one size fits all.

    And there’s certainly no way to easily today easily just handy to set to a computer and say, Hey, do all my cleanup and prep and feature engineering for me.

    Because you don’t these machines don’t necessarily know what’s needed.

    They don’t necessarily know what procedures would make sense to do and what procedures, there isn’t a lot of sense in them.

    For example, suppose you have a date field in a, an email marketing dataset, the software would know to to make sure that it’s a date field, and that’s formatted correctly and things like that.

    But it wouldn’t necessarily know that you might want to extract out day of week or hour of day, it also wouldn’t know you don’t typically want you know, day of month or day of year, those are not necessarily going to be things that from an email marketing perspective are going to lend a whole lot of insight, maybe they will, maybe they won’t, depending on your email marketing strategy.

    But we as the data scientists would know based on our subject matter expertise, based on our skills, and then based on our domain knowledge of the email marketing that sometimes those extra added engineered features are good idea, and sometimes they don’t add any extra value.

    That’s one of the reasons why data science is so complicated.

    And why it is so hard to find talent in the data science field because you need somebody who is both a subject matter expert in data science, but also a subject matter expert in whatever it is that the you know, the datasets that you’re studying for what that industry is someone looking at, for example, COVID data is going to have a very different understanding of what features are important, you know, based on virology and immunology, than somebody who’s doing data analysis on car engines, right? They’ll have similar techniques, but they’re gonna deploy them in very, very different ways.

    Someone who’s an expert in engines is going to be looking at factors like mean time between failure, whereas somebody looking at COVID data is probably going to be looking at things like genetic drift, like antigenic drift and phylogenetic maps.

    Those are very different tasks.

    And you need to have the subject matter expertise in that domain, to be able to know what features to include to know what features are missing, especially.

    And then whether or not you can engineer the data set to repair some of the missing data.

    I don’t foresee a day when you can just simply hand a dataset over to a machine and have it do all that cleaning and prep and augmentation and extraction and make it all work seamlessly because it’s different every time.

    It’s like.

    It’s like being a chef, right? Being a chef in a maybe in a food court.

    And there’s just one big restaurant that serves every cuisine.

    You don’t know what the next person is going to ask.

    Maybe they want chicken chow mein maybe they want Pasta carbonara.

    Maybe they want to pretzel.

    Right? There’s no way to tell.

    And so you’ll have slots of skills and common techniques, but at the same time, every order is going to be different.

    So Oh,

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    that’s the most intensive part of data scientists science, the time intensive part.

    It is prepping engineering.

    And that’s not going to get better anytime soon.

    The machines can help.

    But even then they still need guidance to pull it off.

    So, I would expect if you are in the field of data science or you are working towards becoming one, that’s where you’re going to spend a lot of your time and frankly, that’s where things go the most wrong because if you don’t have the right data for any models or insights, it’s like not having the right ingredients to cook with.

    Right if you’re trying to bake bread and you got a bag of sand.

    Doesn’t matter how good a cook you are.

    You’re not making an animal over bread.

    Anyway, really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Is a Recession Imminent?

    You Ask, I Answer: Is a Recession Imminent?

    Literally everyone asks, “Are we headed for a recession?”

    You Ask, I Answer: Is a Recession Imminent?

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    In today’s episode, literally everyone asks, Are we headed for a recession is a recession imminent? So let’s take a look at some data here.

    This is the eight measures that the National Bureau of Economic Research uses to calculate whether or not a recession has occurred.

    Remember that, at least in the USA, the National Bureau of Economic Research declares a recession typically after it’s over, right, because they’re looking for at least two quarters of negative growth.

    And they can issue a reasonably good indicator like yeah, we’re in one now, or we’re not in one now.

    But the official declaration of when a recession occurred happens after the event is already over.

    That said, they also do publish the technical indicators, the math indicators that they use from the Federal Reserve Bank, the Bureau of Labor, statistics, etc, that indicate that a recession is or is not in progress.

    So we have access you and I, as ordinary internet citizens have access to those measures.

    So let’s look at them we have industrial production, real disposable personal income, total nonfarm, private employment GDI, gross domestic income, gross domestic product manufacturing, trade surplus, personal consumption and expenditures, personal income, less receipts and transfers and total employment level.

    Now I have rescaled, all of these values, because they are wildly different values on a zero to 100 scale so that we can do an apples to apples comparison, what we’re looking at, you can obviously see that there was definitely a recession in q2 of 2020.

    Right, every number fell off a cliff pretty much except for disposable personal income.

    And then there was still not great growth in q3.

    By the time q4 rolled around in 2020.

    Things were sort of back on track.

    So there was a recession in 2020.

    No surprise there.

    But when you look at the rest of these lines, to me, none of these are in real trouble, GDP has stumbled a little bit in the last quarter.

    real disposable personal income is down and it’s actually down pretty substantially.

    It’s down to pre pandemic levels.

    That’s not a surprise.

    real disposable personal income, a lot of people got a lot of benefit from all the different COVID stimulus packages that occurred.

    And so people frankly, had a lot of extra money to spend and now things are returning normal and that that number is headed basically back down to where it used to be.

    The other measures GDI industrial production, total employment levels, all that stuff is still on an upward trend.

    Right.

    And that upward trend says no, there is not a recession imminent now.

    Is there a recession in the future? Yes, of course, there’s always going to be a recession, there’s always going to be a period of growth, right? The economy kind of goes and fits and starts in these cycles.

    Is the recession going to happen in the next 30 days? Probably not.

    Right? Probably not.

    So what is going to happen? Why is there so much economic angst? A big part of what’s happening is you have sort of runaway inflation, planet wide, this is not limited to the United States.

    This is not something that one particular politician did.

    This is a planetary problem right now.

    And it’s being driven by a few different things.

    One, the Russian invasion of Ukraine, right, that has caused massive supply chain disruptions and all sorts of chaos.

    That probably won’t stop until Russia gets its butt handed to it and exits Ukraine.

    They have been dramatic, and it’s very serious climate impacts this year.

    India, for example, earlier in this year had a massive, very, very intense Heatwave, that apparently wiped out about 20% of their wheat.

    It’s just gone combined that with Ukraine losing like 40% of its harvest, and you have some very, very serious food supply issues.

    You have obviously the energy costs from as a consequence of the Russian invasion, and you have many more buyers of energy that are willing to pay higher prices like most of Western Europe, which was dependent on Russian oil and gas, they are now transitioning.

    Little uncomfortably to different sources.

    And part of that process is creating much higher demand for natural gas and gasoline and other petroleum products.

    So you’ve got all these economic pressures that are creating inflation, very, very high inflation, which

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    just means everything costs more, right? If your product has to be delivered in gases, you know, 5 a gallon or2, a liter, or whatever it is, wherever you are, those higher costs get passed on, right.

    So everything gets more expensive and wages do not necessarily keep track.

    That’s the issue.

    Once inflation is decoupled from wages, if prices go up, but your pay goes up, 10%, you know, at the same rate, then you’re basically holding steady, if prices go up, 20%, and your wages only go up 10%, you’re losing ground.

    As a result, inflation can and will eventually lead to a recession.

    Because as prices go up, people buy less just simply economics, people buy less stuff when they have less money when the money doesn’t go as far.

    And taming inflation is the one of the remits of most of the world’s central banks, right now, they’re trying really hard by doing things like raising interest rates, raising interest rates, makes money cost more.

    And the organizations that this hits the hardest are banks, typically, banks then have to charge more for the interest they charge customers, which makes things like lending more expensive, which in turn makes purchases of houses and cars less frequent, because it costs more, but the cost of money goes up.

    So what remains to be seen is how bad inflation will get this year? And the answer is nobody knows.

    Nobody knows.

    Because this so far has been a year of dramatic shocks to the overall economic system of the planet.

    And a lot of industries that are not agile enough and not resilient enough to deal with those shocks when they happen.

    So is the recession in it very soon? Probably not.

    Most of these indicators are still stable.

    Could we see one, you know, before the end of the year, maybe? Maybe? It depends again, on what’s happening with prices, really.

    In the United States, at least, there’s going to be some elections at the end of this year that has the potential to cause more chaos, particularly if some of the political groups in the US decided to I don’t know, go storm the US government again.

    So all these things are system shocks that can occur.

    That throw an enormous amount of uncertainty in the mix.

    Nobody likes uncertainty.

    Nobody likes uncertainty, because it’s very hard to figure out what to do next.

    So I think a recession maybe in 2023 is certainly is a possibility.

    2024 also possibility.

    And so the advice though, for handling that is pretty much the same as the advice in general, which is make sure that you have the ability to be both agile and resilient, resilient means you can take a punch and not stay down.

    Agile means you you don’t take the punch in the first place.

    When that comes to finance, that means having a war chest having some cash saved up.

    Because cash is king always.

    And that will allow you to withstand short term shocks while having the agility to save money and invest will get additional lines of income new lines of income to replace lost ones as quickly as possible.

    This is true for businesses, this is true for individuals, if you’ve got a side hustle, that’s not a bad thing to have, you know, even if it’s just making the beer money.

    Having some kind of side hustle is a great way to prepare and practice for if that has to become your main hustle.

    So give that some thought.

    As you as you start thinking about recession data, the worst thing you can do is look at recession level data, economic data, conclude that we’re headed for a recession and then just sit there discouraged go, Well, this sucks.

    And you don’t do anything.

    Don’t take any action, take some kind of action, any kind of action to add income and reduce expenses.

    That’s going to be your best bet in good times and bad, really important question that everybody wants the answer to? Yes, what’s coming? We don’t know when, but it’s probably if if it does, it’s going to be end of this year of 2022.

    More likely 2023 as as more of the system shocks work their way through.

    Talk to you soon.

    Take care.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing Measurement Formula?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing Measurement Formula?

    Sunny asks, “How to create an argument (using data) that a piece of content is “working”. Is there a go-to formula you can pull to say – yes, kinda/sorta, needs work, or nope?””

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    In today’s episode, Sonny asks, How do you create an argument that a piece of content is working? Using data? Is there a go to formula you can pull to say yes, kind of sorted needs work or no, there’s a bunch of different ways to prove that piece of content is working based on what your outcomes are.

    So that’s the big thing is you have to know what the outcome is.

    First, in order to be able to say, Yes, this content is working, or no, this content is not working.

    Most of the time, for most companies, some sort of online conversion will be the indicator that a piece of content is working, whether it’s shopping, Cart Checkout, directions, driving directions, or someone calling a phone number filling out a form downloading something, but there’s generally some sort of action someone can take, that is a proxy for the outcome that you’re looking for.

    So the first and most important thing is to have good analytics software setup, and tracking those whose conversions, you can use Google Analytics, Adobe analytics, matomo, you know, take your pick.

    Once you know that, then, depending on the features that are built into the software, and what capabilities you have, you could create a couple of different types of analysis.

    There is the most basic one, which you’ll see in Google Analytics, which is just page value.

    And you This is calculated by the software, based on the conversion values that you pass into Google Analytics, if you say that a FORM FILL is worth, you know, $125, then it will amortize out and spread out that value.

    When a conversion occurs across all the different pages of your website that a person visits on the way to conversion, that’s probably the easiest type of content and valuation, the more statistically rigorous version is to look at all the content that you create, wherever it is, look at the engagement rates with that content by whatever measures you are typically using.

    It could be likes, comments, impressions, pageviews, time on site, engaged users per session, whatever the the metrics are.

    And then, based on that, do a regression analysis against your outcome, like form fills, demo requests, things like that.

    And you can start to look at are there are there specific channels or specific pieces of content that suggest, you know, if you a user consumes them that somebody is likely to convert, the most advanced models use things like Markov chain modeling, which is a type of machine learning to analyze the propensity of somebody to convert based on being exposed to a piece of content, this is something that I wrote some software for, for myself, which essentially looks at whether or not a piece of content was consumed and what the probabilistic outcome is that consuming that piece of content leads to a conversion, that would be the most advanced method for doing that, but also one of the most effective because it allows you to also take into consideration all those times that somebody consumes a piece of content and they don’t convert, right, that’s the advantage of a more advanced machine learning model is you can account for that non response bias, right, which is very hard to account for in in simpler forms of content attribution.

    The other thing that is a general best practice that not a lot of companies do is asking people in a free form way, whether it’s a survey, whether it’s a web form, whether it’s customer interviews, one on one, whatever you choose, but asking people Hey, what made you What made you come in today? What made you buy something today? What made you request a demo today, asking people that question, and seeing what they say? What kind of response they get, if everybody and their cousin saying, oh, yeah, I saw this amazing.

    webinar.

    Okay, after enough people say that, you know, that that webinar or that piece of content worked.

    If enough people say I read your newsletter, cool, you know, that piece of content worked.

    You could ask them okay, well, which issue was the one that pushed you over the edge? Was it the political one? Was it the behind the scenes one, see if they can, can tell what individual piece of content really moved the needle for them? Those would be my suggestions for how to create a data driven argument for The value of your content, use whatever is best scaled to your own technical capabilities, the more mathematically and statistically rigorous you can be and the more

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    say, the more sophisticated the algorithm, the better you’re going to be able to explain to somebody what the actual value of a piece of content is, and why you should or should not continue to invest in it.

    So do the best that you can to really level up your content analytic skills.

    Really good questions, very challenging question.

    So thanks for answering it.

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    Every so often, folks ask what sort of gear and processes I use to create this newsletter and the other content I produce during the week, both for my blog and Trust Insights. Let’s take a tour behind the scenes. Where and when things are clickable, they are affiliate links, probably to Amazon.

    Hardware

    • MacBook Pro M1, 2021 – the workhorse. This machine does it all, and it’s a good thing because I need it to do a lot of things, from intensive video editing to machine learning models.
    • Rodecaster Pro First Edition – the soundboard. A good soundboard and mixer makes life easier, especially for live streaming. If you want to sound consistently good, a soundboard is a necessity. The second edition isn’t as good a piece of hardware! It’s missing – bizarrely – a TRRS jack which you need if you want to hardware a phone into it. I don’t know why Rode did that, but it was dumb.
    • Shure SM7B microphone – yes, it’s that mic. But the sound is unbeatable and very, very distinct, and it works well with my voice.
    • Logitech Brio – the only 4K webcam that works reliably on a Mac.
    • Razer Basilisk X Hyperspeed – a Bluetooth mouse that just fits so nicely in my hand.
    • Bose QC earbuds – especially for livestreaming, these are great when you want to hear what your cohosts are saying but not be wearing a big headset.
    • Das Keyboard Mac – when you want that super clicky, super loud, oh so satisfying clicky keyboard, this is the one to get.
    • iPhone – there’s no better portable multimedia studio, honestly.
    • iPad – there’s no better platform for drawing, painting, and illustrating. The Magic Pencil especially lives up to its name.
    • Linode – the hosting company that provides hardware for me to run my marketing automation software on. Special disclosure: client of my company.
    • WP Engine – the service that hosts my blog, where the “read with your browser” link goes.

    Software

    • Mautic – The backbone of this newsletter, free, open-source marketing automation software that sends this newsletter to you.
    • Joplin – Free, open-source app that is based on the markup language Markdown. It’s a sanity-saver. Everything is written in what’s effectively plain text, and then some special codes to handle formatting. Markdown is an incredibly flexible language that exports to PDF, ePub, HTML, etc. with ease, especially if you have pandoc and Calibre.
    • Adobe Creative Cloud – the workhorse of multimedia. This suite has everything for roughly 50 dollars US per month if you get it on sale during Black Friday each year and buy the annual package. Within it, I use Adobe Premiere for all my video, Adobe Audition for my audio, Photoshop and Illustrator for graphics, and a ton of the Adobe mobile apps. Adobe Fresco on the iPad is mindblowing.
    • YouTube – to host the videos.
    • Libsyn – to host the audio MP3 files.
    • WordPress – the software that runs my blog.
    • Thunderbird – no mail client is better for storing email messages and making them accessible – and Thunderbird is free and open-source as well. There’s a plugin called Better Import Export that lets you export an entire mailbox of messages as a CSV, which means you can do intensive data analysis on it.
    • Million Verifier – the email verification software I use to clean my email list. There’s no better – and no better priced. It’s so good I wrote my own software to integrate with it.
    • Amazon SES – pay as you go service from Amazon that sends large amounts of email. Mautic pours all its email into Amazon SES, which then delivers it.
    • Gmail Postmaster Tools – a free service from Google that tells me about my reputation to Gmail addresses, which are like 50% of you.
    • MXToolboxemail marketing infrastructure software that tells you all kinds of technical details about your email marketing, like whether you’re on blacklists, whether your domain is set up correctly, etc.

    The Process

    Each week, this newsletter starts with this section. Usually on Friday nights, I’m mulling over what I want to write and looking in my inboxes to see if you’ve asked any questions that I need to answer either here or in daily video blog posts. If there’s something that’s timely and relevant, it goes in. This week’s content comes from a conversation I had with Dennis Shiao earlier in the week about counterintuitive email marketing techniques, and part of it is how I run my newsletter infrastructure.

    Once I’ve got the idea, I write it down in Joplin. I keep a folder of half baked ideas and usually pull from that; this column was two sentences as a reminder of what I was going to write.

    After that, I extract the rest of the newsletter from various Trust Insights systems – we have content curation software I wrote that puts together pretty much the rest of the newsletter, with supervision.

    Once the content is fully baked, I record the video for it, then edit it in Adobe Premiere and Adobe Audition. After that, I export the video, export the audio, load the video to YouTube, load the audio to Libsyn, and copy/paste this Markdown right into WordPress. I use a special editor in WordPress that can directly accept Markdown without converting it, so putting this newsletter up as a blog post takes literally seconds. It’s so convenient.

    Next, I handle and process new subscribers, unsubscribes, and bounces from the previous week, washing new subscribers through Million Verifier and exporting all my bounces from Thunderbird. I do this by hand with some code I wrote because I honestly don’t trust the bounce handling of any software. Those who know the detailed technical aspects of email marketing know that mail servers can be configured a bazillion different ways and don’t always send back the right error codes. I prefer to do it myself so that I know it’s being handled correctly. I do not advise that anyone else do this unless you love, love, love technical email marketing.

    After that, the newsletter gets loaded into Mautic, I update the subscriber lists and unsubscribes, and it goes out the door. These days, it takes about 6 hours to send one issue of the newsletter to about 230,000 folks, which is why I usually start sending it around 9 PM on a Saturday night. That way it’s in most people’s inboxes no later than 9 AM the next day in most timezones.

    So that’s the behind-the-scenes for the Almost Timely newsletter. I freely admit that it’s counterintuitive and overly technical in some spots. Sometimes that’s because I’d rather do things the hard way on purpose so I can see what’s really going on under the hood, and sometimes that’s because I’m cheap and would prefer to run my email marketing as inexpensively as possible. I literally could not afford to send this newsletter any other way with what other email service providers charge.

    Hopefully, this gave you some ideas about how you manage your own newsletter and email marketing, and maybe introduced you to some new tools, too.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing And Sales Reporting?

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing And Sales Reporting?

    Jamie asks, “How can marketing help report on Sales and use analytics to improve sales?”

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    In today’s episode, Jamie asks, How can marketing help report on sales and use analytics to improve sales? Here’s the thing.

    Marketing and sales are two different functions.

    They operate at different points in the customer journey, they have different outcomes.

    And except in really small companies, they’re generally very, very different.

    Which also means that having marketing reporting on sales is kind of like having the sous chef reporting on front of house on on how you know, service is out front.

    It’s kind of weird.

    Marketing should be reporting on marketing and sales should be reporting on sales.

    Now, if you’re at a company that again, is really small, or for some reason, you’ve lumped sales and marketing together, that’s really awkward, because on the org chart, it says s&m you you have to look at the overall outcomes, and do a lot of attribution analysis.

    So sort of full funnel attribution, if you will.

    Because what you’d be looking for in a situation like that is at each stage in your marketing operations funnel.

    Where are the weak points? When I worked at this one, tech company, in the past, marketing, was responsible for marketing qualified leads, sales was responsible for sales.

    And when we put the entire customer journey together, and the operations funnel, what we found was that marketing had like 20 ish percent success rate and taking a prospect and moving them to a marketing qualified lead somebody who went from like a newsletter subscriber to request a demo, or, or schedule a phone call.

    And then sales would take over those leads, and close about 1% of them.

    Now part of this was product marketing issues, product development issues, the product we were company was selling was half the quality and twice the price of its nearest competitor, which didn’t really bode well.

    But even even still, sales could only close about 1% of the leads that were given, which meant that marketing had to continually shovel greater and greater volumes of leads, less and less qualified leads.

    Until frankly, we ran out of runway, we ran out of qualified customers, because there’s only so many people who are going to buy that particular product.

    And we said to the sales team, look, if you guys could go from like 1% to 2% of closing here leads, you would double your revenue.

    Right.

    And there was a lot of back and forth, there was a lot of discussion, vigorous discussion.

    And what eventually happened was that the head of sales got canned because they were a terrible sales leader, and about half the sales team.

    And we stopped restaffed and the company did much better after that.

    So how marketing can help report on sales is building out that full funnel view what’s happening at each stage of a customer’s interactions with us.

    Even though customer journeys are not linear, even though customers can move back and forth between different stages in a journey, there are still activities that occur at each stage in aggregate, right customers generally have to have some kind of conversation with you, at least for any product that requires having a sales team to sell it.

    And you can look at the performance of each stage, look at the performance of each of the subsequent stages and figure out the conversion rate between the two.

    And again, what you’re looking for in terms of maximum impact is the weakest stage, what stage do you have your lowest conversion rate? And then can you fix that because if you can fix that bottleneck, then you really open up the flow from top to bottom for getting more results, we’re getting better results and then of course, some other part will become the problem after you fix the the most problematic stage in your in your operations fumble.

    But that’s normal.

    That’s that’s okay.

    What I see a lot is that there usually is one stage in that full funnel that is the most problematic and not by a small margin by a fairly large margin.

    Again, you know, the example of the companies to work for, you know, 20% 15% 20% 1% you compare the numbers, the different levels of financing.

    Okay, well that 1% We really stands out is not good.

    Let’s figure out what’s gone wrong there first.

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    Other things that marketing can do with analytics and data to improve sales is a lot of qualitative stuff.

    And this is where market research comes in super handy.

    And it’s something that companies don’t invest enough in market research, qualitative research, answers the question of why.

    Right, one of the challenges with analytics is analytics, particularly quantitative, focuses heavily on the numbers, what happened ads, they’re important not gonna say they’re not important.

    But those numbers don’t tell you why something happened, you can look at your data and say, you know, marketing qualified leads were down 14%, last quarter, why you can’t tell them the data, it’s not going to tell it’s never going to tell you because you have to talk to people, you have to survey them, you have to do focus groups, one on ones, shadowing customers, depending on your industry, to figure out why people are not converting to the level you want.

    And that requires investment requires time requires effort.

    But if you do it, it can dramatically improve your sales because it improves the overall sales process.

    If somebody says, Yeah, you know, your product just doesn’t have the features I need.

    That can help your sales a lot.

    Because you’re your sales team.

    At that point, you can say, well, we don’t have this feature that customers really want.

    So we have to, we have to find some other angle to sell, right? If you can’t beat features, and benefits, then you’re going to have to compete on something like price, because you don’t have what the customer wants.

    You also should at that point, be talking to engineering and saying, Hey, can you know the customer wants a green handle on this? And can you please make a version has a green handle, or whatever it is that you sell? So that’s an area where marketing can use analytics to identify where are the spots in the customer process where we need to be asking customers lots of questions, we need to be talking to customers, we need to be interviewing them, we need to be watching how they behaved with our product or as they evaluated so that we can improve our marketing, we can understand why someone might just ghost us, right? They try out our products, it doesn’t do what they want.

    They just they just ghost us because we didn’t meet their needs.

    So those would be my suggestions.

    And those are things that even in larger companies, where you have marketing and sales be separate having that market research capacity, that market research capability is really valuable.

    Because an awful lot of the time when you’re using analytics, you’re looking for an answer why and you don’t have the data to support any conclusions with evidence about why something is or is not the way it is.

    So really good question.

    It’s challenging answer.

    It’s an expensive answer.

    Set expectations accordingly.

    Market research is market research.

    My friend Tom Webster says his best should be reassuringly expensive, like sushi and surgery.

    You don’t want to discount surgery, and you don’t want to discount market research.

    You don’t want DIY surgery, and you certainly don’t want DIY sushi if you don’t know what you’re doing with raw fish, right? You probably don’t want DIY market research unless you have some skills in that area.

    If you don’t then like sushi and surgery, leave it to somebody who that they do have those skills and the necessary equipment and the experience to make it work.

    So that’s that’s the answer to that question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Objections to Marketing Data Science?

    You Ask, I Answer: Objections to Marketing Data Science?

    Amanda asks, “So what sort of objections do you come across when you go and work with company, or your talk into a company?”

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    In today’s episode, Amanda asks, So what sort of objections do you come across? When you go and work with a company? Or you or you talk into a company? Okay? It depends.

    Just the answer to pretty much everything these days for the work of data science, a lot of the time, and this is something that we all struggle with a lot of the time.

    When we get objections, it is around results.

    Right? It is around, what am I going to get from my money? Price is relatively a relatively minor issue, because price is an indicator that in the selling process, we have not communicated enough value.

    If we communicate enough value, if we understand the person’s pain that they’re in, and we can help them solve their pain, there’s a good chance that price as an objection gets diminished.

    Not it doesn’t entirely go away, right? If somebody has 5,000 in the budget, you can make a great case for a25,000 project, but they physically still only have 5,000 in the process.

    So there is a hard limit to pricing.

    But if you can communicate, the value that you get price tends to diminish because very often does cover it’s it’s a smokescreen for a person saying I don’t understand what I’m buying.

    Right? If I have a box, and I’ve say the inside this box is100 worth of value, I’m selling you this box of 50.

    That’s not super appealing, if you have it.

    But what’s in the box? I mean, I might give you50 For that box, but not if you don’t tell me what’s in it.

    Like what am I getting for my money? What am I getting? What, what’s what’s the value? If I open up the box and show you a sick hamsters, you’re like, I don’t want hamsters.

    Right? Well, you may you might, but in the context of analytics, that’s not helpful.

    Right? So then the pricing objection is is valid, like yeah, that’s, that’s not worth my money.

    I don’t need a box of hamsters, I need x instead.

    So objections a lot of the time are because we didn’t communicate enough value.

    And we didn’t communicate enough value as often, because we didn’t focus on the results.

    Instead, we focused on the process.

    Now, for risk averse buyers, they do want to see the process, they want to understand what happens to some degree.

    But for a lot of non risk averse buyers, they care less about the process and much more about the results.

    Am I getting the thing, right? If I give you $40,000, and you give me a vehicle, does this vehicle do what I want them to do? Right? Do they care how it was assembled? Really.

    They might make some token statements about sustainability or labor conditions or whatever.

    But for the most part, most people when they’re buying something like a vehicle, it always comes down to am I getting good value for my money? And does this thing do what I want it to do? And so when we’re talking about selling analytics, are talking about objections? Most of the time, it’s around that it’s around Well, what exactly am I getting for my money? If we go with you, what exactly you’re going to do.

    And we have to tie it to the three things everybody wants, right? People want more time.

    They want less effort.

    They want bigger results, better numbers.

    And if we can tie ourselves to at least one of those, ideally, through all three objections tend to go away pretty fast.

    Right? We’ve, for example, in the work I do with my company, Trust Insights, a lot of we do a lot of stuff with Google Analytics 4.

    And we sell audits and configurations and stuff help people just do the thing.

    And what we’re selling there is not the process of upgrading somebody to Google Analytics 4.

    We are we are selling the you don’t have to think about it.

    We are selling the it’ll get done right.

    In a reasonable amount of time.

    We are selling

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    we will not stretch your internal resources at all, because we can do this with a minimum of hassle.

    And so we’re really selling time we’re selling peace of mind.

    We’re selling fee feeling of security.

    And when you figure out what it is that somebody actually wants to buy, then the objections, the objections are pretty mute, right? Again, there are still some hard limits that you run into, particularly around pricing.

    But beyond that, it’s just proving value.

    So that’s that’s where I see the objections most.

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