Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • Mind Readings: Idea Capture Anywhere

    Mind Readings: Idea Capture Anywhere

    What do you do when you have an idea? How do you capture it? And how many ideas have gotten away? I share some of how I manage to capture as many ideas as possible.

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    In today’s mind readings, just some thoughts about idea capture.

    One of the things that if you are doing your job well, if you are advancing your career and focusing on professional development and training enough, you should be having ideas about the things that you’re working on.

    At really random times, you know, when you’re on the treadmill or out for a run, or doing yoga, or cooking dinner or in the shower, depending on how your brain works, and the level of focus and the level of commitment you have to the work that you’re doing, either for yourself personally, or for the company that you work for.

    You can have ideas happening any hour of the day.

    So the question then becomes, how are you capturing those ideas.

    A lot of folks rely on having a notepad and a pen.

    And when they have an idea, you know, they keep one by their bedside and things like that, I think it’s a really important and useful way to to track ideas have something nearby, you can jot down an idea really quickly.

    That, however, isn’t always necessarily available to us.

    What I suggest doing in addition to in addition to not separately, is either using like a Voice Memo app on your phone, or a little digital audio recorder, so that you can take notes.

    When you have an idea, just talk things through.

    If you have a smartwatch, for example, there are plenty of apps like reminder apps and dictation apps and Voice Memo apps that you can use on a smartwatch.

    So even if you’re running on the treadmill, you can breathlessly yell into your watch, hey, set a reminder for citizen data scientist study for tomorrow.

    Your brain is kind of like a lightning storm, a thunderstorm.

    And all of these little things are lightning rods.

    Right? If you only have one up pad of paper and a pen, then when the storms nearby that lightning will strike and you’ll be able to capture it, make use of it.

    But all the rest of the time.

    All these things are happening.

    And then they just kind of fade away.

    Right? There’s the lightning never touches down.

    And you never can capture that energy.

    If you’ve got smartwatches and phones and you know smart devices and things that you can just yell out in the air, your phone, your tablet, your Smart TV, is you’ve got all these different capture points.

    It’s like having lightning rods everywhere.

    And then when an idea strikes, boom, the lightning bolt touches down somewhere, though it can be captured.

    So the question is, how many of these different things you have around? And then how how proficient are you at getting those ideas into one place, or consolidating them.

    So one of the things I do is I have the Reminders app that I use, and then my smartphone and my smartwatch, and when I’m on the treadmill or I’m in the shower or whatever, I can just sort of yell out ideas that go into either my reminders list or my to do list.

    And then every day I go into those apps and move things around put stuff in my blogging list, so that if I have an idea, it doesn’t get lost, it doesn’t the lightning doesn’t strike somewhere that that then just goes away I actually have a hard time with like pen and paper writing things down aches, I can’t read my own handwriting.

    And be because my brain is usually going so fast that I can’t write fast enough to keep up with it, but I can dictate something really really quickly.

    And again, with these with these smart devices you can just say Hey, assistant, set a reminder for it immediately start talking as soon as the idea occurs, you can funnel it to somewhere you can get that idea out of your head and into some tangible form we can then look at it and refine and things like that like I’m looking at my list of ideas that have been yelling to the air and there’s a whole bunch of things in here that like oh yeah, I remember that was what that was I was um was what I was driving down the road saw pothole and wonder if I could fill that pothole with Reese reused waste plastic instead of asphalt, you know, random ideas like that.

    But I was able to capture it.

    You know, maybe it’ll become something someday but who knows? But I was able to capture it because I had some device where I could just yell in the air and, and the lightning of the idea, touchdown and was captured.

    So how do you capture your ideas? How many different avenues do you have for capturing ideas?

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    And do you have some kind of process that consolidates that that gets all those things back into one spot so that you’re able to make use of them.

    give that some thought and love to hear about how you capture ideas and more importantly how you consolidate those ideas and and how you how you make sure that at least something happens with them at some point, but thanks for watching.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Analytics for LinkedIn?

    You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Analytics for LinkedIn?

    Amoussou asks, “At what point in a content creator’s life should they use third party analytics apps for LinkedIn?”

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    In today’s episode, Musa asks, at what point in a content creators life, should they use third party analytics apps for LinkedIn? Hmm, well, it depends, most third party apps that claim to be able to access LinkedIn and do analytics on them, you’ve got to be very, very careful because a fair number of them, if you read the fine print, probably violate LinkedIn Terms of Service.

    That in turn means that if you are caught using them by LinkedIn automated detection software, your LinkedIn account can get canned, right can be deleted, you can be suspended for violation of the terms of service.

    And then you don’t have access to LinkedIn at all, especially if it’s a permanent ban, which means that they will do their best to identify you.

    And any new accounts that you create will also be prohibited from using the service.

    The question really, I think you’re getting out here is, how do you measure the impact of LinkedIn? You do have access to your own data when you post stuff, right, especially if your company page as opposed to an individual person.

    But more important, the question I would ask is, what is the outcome? What is the business goal that you’re trying to measure? Are you trying to measure brand awareness, you’re trying to measure lead generation, you’re trying to sell things outright? Generally speaking, most people are probably not going to have a business objective.

    Oh, just be popular on LinkedIn.

    Right? It’s not like Instagram where, you know, people are going to give you free blenders.

    Just for being popular, there’s generally some kind of business outcome.

    So the question is, what is that business outcome that you think being effective, and effective content creator on LinkedIn will generate? And then how do you measure that? So, for example, one of the things that I tried to do on LinkedIn is be active and interactive and talk to my community.

    But I don’t measure LinkedIn on LinkedIn, I measure LinkedIn in Google Analytics, when traffic goes to my website, because at that point, I want to see if anything that I’m doing on LinkedIn resonates enough with people that they would want to do business with me in some fashion, whether it’s signing up for my newsletter, listening to videos like this, subscribing to my YouTube channel, and most importantly, asking for help.

    From my company Trust Insights on all things analytics, and marketing consult management consulting, that’s the outcome really after is people saying, Hmm, you’ve provided enough value about this area that we now know, you’re a subject matter expert in this area.

    And the next time we have a need in that area, we know who to call.

    One of the things that you will want to take a look at is things like branded organic search, right? If you are going all in on LinkedIn, you’re just hammering the service, and it is your thing, then, not only should you see direct traffic via Google Analytics, from LinkedIn to your website, you should also see increases in branded organic search that are commensurate and timed with big hits on LinkedIn.

    So let’s say you put up a post and it goes crazy.

    And you know, 10s of 1000s of people are liking it and sharing it.

    Do you see a corresponding increase in branded organic search the number of people searching for you by name? If that you do, then you know that LinkedIn is having a downstream effect on your ability to be found, right? People know who you are, and they know to ask for you by name from the search engine of your choice.

    So should you use these third party analytics tools? Again, most of them violate the terms of service, I would personally not feel comfortable using any kind of third party tool unless it was explicitly partnered with LinkedIn.

    So for example, I use Agorapulse.

    Agorapulse is a LinkedIn partner and you could safely use their app with LinkedIn and get data and feedback and stuff about the stuff you’re putting up on LinkedIn.

    That’s totally fine.

    There’s other tools like LinkedIn helper that runs on your laptop and uses essentially a He built in browser to kind of scrape LinkedIn.

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    They’re not a LinkedIn partner.

    And the way that they’re acquiring LinkedIn data is a violation of the terms of service.

    And so if you get caught, if the automated detection algorithms find you, you could lose your LinkedIn account.

    So how important is your LinkedIn account to you? How much risk are you comfortable with? Because it’s not like gonna go to go to jail or anything? Right? This is just penalties within the service.

    So the question is, can you afford to lose your LinkedIn account? If the answer is yes, you don’t care about that much about it that much, then use as many third party apps as you want.

    Because if you get caught no big deal, right, you’re you just move on and, and you do without LinkedIn.

    On the other hand, if your LinkedIn account is extremely valuable to you, like it is a pillar of your social media marketing strategy, I would shy away from any third party tool that was not an authorized LinkedIn partner, because otherwise, you risk losing that account.

    And that would be just outright bad.

    But really good question.

    Again, if you want to focus on the impact of LinkedIn, look downstream from LinkedIn, look at what happens to traffic from LinkedIn once it goes to your website or the digital property of your choice.

    And if you see growth that is commensurate and contemporary with your LinkedIn activity, then you know LinkedIn is having an effect.

    So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Machine Learning vs. AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: Machine Learning vs. AI?

    Maureen asks, “Why do people use machine learning and AI interchangeably?”

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    In today’s episode, Fabrizo asks, Can you make the intro shorter? Yes, the intro is now 60% shorter from 30 seconds down to 12.

    Now, Maureen asks, why do people use machine learning and AI these two terms interchangeably? Well, the reason is because honestly, it’s because I think most people don’t have a good sense of what either term means.

    And so they just kind of mix and match.

    To be clear.

    Artificial Intelligence is a an umbrella term that is specific to teaching machines to develop intelligence skills that we have naturally.

    So if you are watching this video, and you can distinguish me from the background here, right, you’re using vision, if you’re hearing the audio to this video, and that’s not just noise, you’re able to distinguish things like sounds, different sounds you’re using hearing, right? If those sounds get turned into words, you’re using what’s called language processing.

    All of these are intelligence skills.

    And when we teach computers to do these things with artificial intelligence, right, it’s an intelligence skills that we’re teaching to a machine, rather than being something that’s natural, done by humans or other animals to obviously, things like parrots can certainly learn to repeat words and such.

    machine learning is a subset of artificial intelligence, it’s part of AI, but it is not all of AI.

    And machine learning, specifically refers to giving data to machines from which they can write their own software, right, they can build their own code, based on the information they’re given, and a pre defined set of tools and algorithms to build their own code.

    All machine learning is AI, but not all AI is machine learning.

    Right? So it is a subset.

    Why people use these two interchangeably, partly, partly is a marketing reason.

    In some ways, artificial intelligence has been a buzzword now for about 10 years.

    And as such, has sort of lost its luster.

    Understandably, so.

    There have been many, many AI projects that have gotten off the ground that didn’t really go anywhere.

    And there have been a number of movies and TV shows and things where consumers and the general population were introduced the concept of AI and it created these mistaken perceptions about what machines are capable of people think of, you know, the Terminator, and killer robots and Star Trek.

    And all of these different types of artificial intelligence that are more properly artificial general intelligence, which means machines that are essentially sentient, no such things exist as of this recording, and so for distinguishing that sort of consumerization of the AI term, a lot of folks have said, Okay, well, maybe we should focus in specifically on the machine learning part.

    Given data, we’re teaching machines to do other intelligence tasks and create their own software.

    Most of the artificial intelligence that you interact with on a day to day basis is machine learning.

    From recommendations that you get from Google Analytics, from recommendations you get on Amazon when you’re shopping and says You might also like these three other things that are somewhat related to what’s in your cart, every time you fire up Netflix, and it suggests another series, or you fire up Spotify, it says, Consider adding these songs to your playlist.

    All of that is machine learning.

    There’s yet another distinction that people like to make the differences between classical machine learning and deep learning.

    Deep learning is when machines are not only writing their own software, but they’re also choosing their own algorithms based on all kinds of data inputs and these neural networks.

    The closest analogy I think you could easily make as if machine learning is a chef with a lot of very expensive, fancy machines that do you know 90% of the prep work.

    Deep learning really is a kitchen that almost completely runs itself, right? There’s there’s very little to no human intervention a lot A lot of the time,

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    the challenge and the reason why you would pick one of the over the other is based on the amount of data you have.

    Deep learning requires a lot of data, we’re talking millions of records, millions of samples from which the machine can create a neural network.

    Oftentimes, especially in marketing, we don’t have millions of examples to train on.

    So when we have something, for example, like the GPT, Neo X, natural language generation models, that’s trained on 800 terabytes of text, right, the entirety of Wikipedia, the entirety of Google Books, there’s tons of information to work from when you’re trying to build a model for your ideal customers.

    But you don’t have 10s of millions of ideal customers, right? If you’re a B2B company, you probably have like five ideal customers, right? That the CMOS of the Fortune 10 Are your ideal customers.

    And so those cases where classical machine learning makes a lot more different, much more of a difference is much more effective than deep learning.

    So which term should you use depends on which application if you’re talking about the overall teaching of tasks that are currently done by humans, vision, listening, language, etc.

    AI is a perfectly fine term to use.

    If you are talking about the feeding of data to machines to build their own models, you’re talking about machine learning.

    If you’re talking about building neural networks, out of very large data sets, you’re talking about deep learning.

    And there’s a few other more specialized terms in there, but those are probably not as well recognized outside of the AI field.

    So don’t worry too much about them right now.

    The last caution I will offer is Buyer beware.

    A lot of companies will say that they use artificial intelligence or machine learning and in fact are not.

    In 2018.

    The Financial Times did a survey of 100 companies that were claiming to use AI and did some substantial background investigation found that 35% of them were just outright lying.

    They had offshore outsourced humans doing the work instead.

    So just because something is using AI or machine learning a doesn’t mean it actually is and be doesn’t mean that it’s it’s any good, right? I can use machine learning to overcomplicate nearly any problem.

    It doesn’t make the solution better.

    It just changes what technologies are in the solution.

    So really good question.

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  • Almost Timely News, 13 February 2022: Google Analytics and GDPR, Metaverse, Content Sparks

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    What’s On My Mind: Google Analytics and Privacy Laws

    This past week, we saw in the news that Google Analytics™ in its current form was ruled non-compliant with GDPR. According to the International Association of Privacy Professionals:

    Just weeks after the Austrian Data Protection Authority’s ruling that Google Analytics use violates the EU General Data Protection Regulation, France’s data protection authority, the Commission nationale de l’informatique et des libertés, has reached a similar decision.

    In its decision, the CNIL said data collection and transfers to the United States using Google Analytics “are illegal,” violating Article 44 of the GDPR. The CNIL ordered an unidentified French website manager to bring its processing into compliance with the GDPR within one month and stop using the service under current conditions, if necessary.

    The CNIL said transfers to the United States “are currently not sufficiently regulated” and the absence of an EU-U.S. adequacy decision presents “a risk for French website users who use this service and whose data is exported.” The authority noted additional measures taken by Google to regulate Google Analytics data transfers “are not sufficient to exclude the accessibility of this data for US intelligence services.”

    The CNIL said its investigation “also extends to other tools used by sites that result in the transfer of data of European Internet users to the United States,” adding, “Corrective measures in this respect may be adopted in the near future.”

    What does this mean for us, given that increased privacy laws came into effect this year (such as California’s CPRA, whose enforcement mechanisms take effect next year but the scope of data began January 1, 2022)? In short, it means several things.

    The key paragraph in the story from IAPP is the final part of the excerpt above. It’s not just Google Analytics™ that’s in question here. It’s every piece of MarTech software that transfers data across borders. If you use Hubspot, Salesforce, Google Analytics, Adobe Analytics… you name it, if data is crossing borders, it’s likely at some point to run afoul of the law.

    Companies need to be thinking about first-party analytics solutions. First-party analytics solutions are software packages that you host yourself, on your own servers, collecting data and not transferring it to any other entity (even Google). Open source solutions such as Matomo may fit the bill, as they are entirely self-hosted; they are capable of meeting the strictest privacy requirements, including highly-regulated industries. Remember though, the key to compliance here is that you must host and maintain the servers in your own IT architecture so that the data you collect never leaves your possession.

    In the longer term, we marketers must make the pivot away from collecting personal information and focusing on behavioral information. This is something I’ve been saying since 2017, when we all saw the final form GDPR would take. Do we need to know someone’s age or gender or ethnicity or religion? Do we need to know their Spotify favorites or their sexual orientation or the last movie they watched on Netflix? No. What we need to know are the behavioral buying signals to look for. For example, if someone visits your products page, your about page, and engages with your chatbot, that could be a behavioral signal that the person – whoever they are – has buying intent. That in turn should trigger marketing technology solutions to engage them further.

    Here’s the real secret, the real key to making all this work. The one thing that makes all privacy legislation and law moot is affirmative consent. If a consumer knowingly and willingly gives us their information and consent to use it for marketing purposes, no law can touch us as long as we have a paper trail that will stand up in a court of law. So, how do we earn that consent? The same way you earn any consent: by providing much more value than you take, so much that the consumer is eager and happy to give you their information. They WANT to hear from you. They look forward to your emails. They have conversations with you.

    Pivoting to a marketing strategy which involves actually making customers happy is going to be more costly in the short term but will return multiples on your investment in the long term. You’ll have very few issues with privacy laws. You’ll have an easy time providing proof in a court of law. And most of all, you’ll have happy prospects and customers, people who will willingly share your marketing with others and do part of your marketing for you. You need very few analytics services when customers are throwing information at you as fast and as fully as possible, eager and excited to hear from you.

    That’s the end state we should all be aiming for, and forward thinking companies and marketing leaders should be working towards that end state with as much investment as possible.

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  • Mind Readings: Content Sparks

    Mind Readings: Content Sparks

    In this episode of Mind Readings, some thoughts about our cadence of marketing and how it’s like striking a flint onto tinder to light a fire.

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    In today’s mind reading, I had a thought the other day about sparks and fire.

    Let’s say you’re trying to start a fire and you’ve got your Tinder and your kindling and your your wood and you’re ready to go.

    How are you going to start that fire? What’s? What’s the easiest way to start that fire? Suppose you have something like a flint and Tinder, right? You have a knife and little stone you scrape against that and you get some sparks to fly onto your Tinder how successful will you be? If you take out your knife, right? And you strike your your Flint once you get a few sparks to land on on your Tinder? Not very, I mean, you might get lucky, you might starve a little bit of a fire.

    But on the other hand, if you can’t, if you have a, you know, Tinder and you’re just repeatedly Whack, whack, whack getting lots and lots of sparks.

    How quickly will you start a fire much more quickly, right? The more you strike your Flint, the more sparks you throw.

    As long as they’re hot, the more likely it is you’ll get a fire started.

    A product Okay, great, cool.

    I don’t know how to start a fire.

    What does this have to do with anything? When we think about our marketing, our content are the sparks.

    Now, if they’re terrible, it’s terrible content, right? Like I have something here is inert like a fork instead of an actual Flint.

    And I’m striking it nothing’s happening, right? Nothing’s happening, because it’s terrible.

    And it just like if you have a terrible content, no matter how often you strike, or how hard strike and if it’s terrible content, you get no sparks, right? Nothing happens.

    But assume that you have good content, which I know is a stretch.

    Assume you have good content.

    It’s something people want.

    It’s something that people were happy to receive.

    How much content should you create? How many formats every time you publish a piece of content, it is this.

    Right? So if you have a monthly newsletter, then once a month, you get a chance to throw some sparks.

    Maybe it catches some people’s attention.

    Well, if you have a weekly newsletter, once a week, for a month, four to five opportunities.

    You’re throwing more sparks.

    And then you have a daily blog post.

    You have some posts on social media.

    I have content on your YouTube channel.

    Right and you have conferences and trade shows.

    You have a podcast, maybe two podcasts, and you have little snippets that you take from that and put it on Instagram, and on tick tock.

    You see what I’m getting with this content or sparks? Right and as long as it’s good.

    Then every single time you publish every time you put something out there you give people a chance to interact with you if you’re creating an opportunity to possibly light something on fire.

    We are in a unprecedented deficit of attention.

    Think about just these four names Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Disney Plus, these four services occupied the eyes and ears of like 90% of our customers.

    Think about these names, Spotify, Apple Music.

    Again, Amazon Prime music all these services occupy the ears like 90% of our customers.

    So much attention is being vacuumed up that if we just have a monthly newsletter and that’s it.

    Even if it’s really great.

    It’s not a lot of sparks.

    We’re not throwing a lot of sparks out there and as a result, things aren’t catching on fire.

    If you can increase the cadence of your content while maintaining Quality or improving quality, if that’s the caveat, if you can increase the canes while keeping the quality the same or better, then you’re putting more sparks out there giving people more to react to that,

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    in turn creates opportunities for more conversions.

    sales folks know this.

    The more times that a salesperson picks up the phone and dials or sends an email something, the more likely it is, they will eventually get some kind of response, even if the response is please stop calling me.

    As opposed as being ignored.

    We have to do the same thing with our content with our marketing.

    If it’s good if it’s helpful, if it’s educational, if it’s entertaining, the more we publish, the more we give someone a chance to react to us.

    Look at your open rates for your newsletter.

    Look at your click through rates.

    Look at your impressions and engagements on social media and the monitoring tool, your choice.

    Go look in Google Search Console for impressions and clicks.

    And you will see how little attention you get.

    I was looking at Twitter the other day and like, my average tweet gets something like 2000 3000 impressions out of 95,000 followers, right? It’s terrible.

    And it doesn’t, there doesn’t seem to be a difference.

    When I look how often I publish my publishing on one tweet a day or five tweets, wait a day, on average, it works out to about 2000 impressions in a given time.

    But they’re not the same 2000 people are different, because the way algorithms work and they select you know, based on topics and keywords and stuff.

    So if I can create more content, more stuff, more opportunities for people to see and hear what I’m saying as long as it’s valuable, I get a greater chance of interacting with other people.

    And I get a better chance of earning attention.

    So give that some thought.

    We’re at a point now, in the attention game, where any scrap of attention you’ve got is valuable.

    You need to hold on to it and create more and more and more opportunities for people to give you their attention by handing them the value that they they’re looking for.

    So give that some thought.

    And thanks for watching.

    I appreciate your attention.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Skills for New Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Skills for New Marketers?

    Chandni asks, “What are the new skills that marketers entering the field need to learn?”

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    Johnny asks, what are the new skills that marketers entering the field need to learn? There’s a lot of new skills.

    There are the obvious ones, for example, like mathematics would be good statistics would be good.

    I think math and stats are something that are deeply overlooked.

    And the ability to use mathematics and statistics to understand data, and be able to draw useful conclusions and make decisions based on data.

    I think those are skills that are essential in today’s data driven world, in today’s AI powered world, you should probably know how these things work in general, not saying you need to go out and get a PhD in applied mathematics, but having an understanding of what the different buttons do in the various platforms of marketing technologies, and sort of what the product does underneath the hood, I think is really important.

    And it’s something that’s dramatically overlooked.

    Another set of skills, and this is gonna sound weird coming from me as a technologist, but another set of skills that are lacking in the population in general, but especially in marketers, and especially in business, are skills around compassion and kindness, empathy.

    So marketing has had a track record of being very self centered, right? By our stuff, here’s our stuff, look at us, aren’t we awesome? Our products are better than the next guy’s products.

    And this self centered marketing has resulted in just really crappy marketing.

    Right? So many marketers out there just making as much noise as possible, in the hopes of attracting attention in the hopes of getting business.

    But attention is the most scarce commodity of all right now.

    You have so many channels, so many apps, so many services, so many things competing for our eyeballs and our ears every single day, that you can’t shout your way to success.

    You just can’t.

    You can’t be louder than the din that we’re all surrounded by.

    And the old traditional way of just yelling louder about how awesome you are just doesn’t work.

    Not enough to drive a business, certainly not enough to scale a business.

    So what does drive business What does scale a business in this environment? That compassion that true customer centricity is what will drive your business, right.

    Being able to be kind being able to be tolerant of people who aren’t like you.

    We as a society, but and we as a profession have gotten into our heads idea of the ideal customer and micro targeting this customer.

    And using AI and machine learning to identify precisely when that customer is ready to buy, not realizing that a good amount of the time, nobody’s ready to buy, right me like one person that’s ready to buy out of 100 at any given moment in time, and the other 99 people ain’t interested in buying.

    And so blasting all 100 of them with a buy now message is pointless.

    Because yes, you might get that one person is ready to buy and get pissed off the other 99 and now they’re never going to buy from you.

    If you approach your marketing from a perspective of customer centricity of compassion, of empathy, which just means putting yourself in the customers shoes and saying, Would I want to receive this marketing? Right if I’m going to send out a big offer and I put myself on the other side of it.

    What I want to buy my own product, right? Think about that when you’re rolling out your your next promotion, put yourself in your customers shoes, pretend you don’t work for your company and say Would I actually care if if I received this promotion or whatever in the mail? The answer is probably no.

    Right? Unless your product is some thing is so awesome that you know, you have no marketing troubles, right? You generally don’t people generally don’t have a hard time convincing somebody else to buy a Tesla, right? If you have the money, and you think electric cars are cool, it’s not a tough sell.

    That skill, the skill of really being in somebody else’s shoes and seeing things from their point of view, isn’t taught not enough.

    And

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    it is essential for making your marketing better.

    Because your marketing has to your communications have to be the kind of thing that another person would just want to get.

    Right? Like, I’m recording these videos now not because I want to improve the SEO on my website, whatever.

    This is a list of questions that somebody actually sent me.

    And I think they’re useful questions, which is why I’m recording these videos, because I think it might help you.

    Right? Now even talking about stuff that I have for sale, because, honestly, I’m not selling this stuff.

    But if it helps you, if it provides an emotional connection to you, if it compels you to think about stuff in and you find it helpful, then hopefully, when down the road, sometime you are that one person out of the 99 others around you who’s ready to buy something that I sell, I’m hopeful that you’ll say hmm, I remember that video series that Chris did, maybe he knows about this thing, I’ll ask him if his company does this thing.

    That requires compassion.

    Compassion is knowing what somebody else is experiencing, and taking action on it, to make it a better experience, right.

    So if you walk by somebody who’s homeless, and you can see that they’re, you know, cold and starving, you have sympathy because you can understand how they feel.

    You might even have empathy, because you might understand like, what it is that they’re going through.

    But if you don’t take action on it, that’s where it stops, where’s compassion be, you take action on it, bringing it into marketing, if you know what the customer wants, and you can deliver it to them.

    Then you have compassion, especially when there’s nothing in it for you.

    Right when you’re marketing, and you’re you’re giving out marketing to somebody, you’re giving somebody content.

    That doesn’t benefit you, not directly.

    But it helps the person who’s receiving it, that is compassion.

    Right.

    And if you can do that, in your marketing, if you have that skill, your marketing will be more successful, because you will not be sending out stuff to people who don’t want it.

    And you will be helping people in some aspect of their lives personally, professionally, it doesn’t matter.

    So that you build your brand.

    So people remember who you are.

    So you improve your reputation, right? Brand is nothing more than reputation.

    If you improve your reputation, by doing good things for other people, and helping other people, with your content with your marketing, then your marketing in the long run will succeed.

    Right? When you do have to send out that sales pitch, people will read it, because you’ve created so much value for them that they are willing to listen you have their attention.

    When you your marketing is imbued with compassion, you earn attention, compassion equals attention.

    Because if I if I as the recipient, know that you’re really helping me every single email you send me there’s something in it for me, every single ebook or YouTube video, whatever, there’s something that’s going to make my life better.

    I’m going to give you my attention.

    Let’s say hi, I really want to read your emails, I want to see your videos, I want to listen to your podcast because you’re helping me.

    And so that is the skill.

    That is the skill that’s going to set apart marketers now and going forward because in an environment where there is no attention, the only way to return to earn attention in a sustainable manner is with compassion to provide that value so that the person has to give you their attention because they keep getting so much value from you.

    Again, this is not new, right this this stuff goes back to literally 1000s of years ago, every major world religion on the planet has There’s pretty much the same rule right, the Golden Rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    Right? Rabbi Hillel said that which is hateful to your brother do not do that was hateful to you do not do to your brother, right? It’s an every single religion.

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    And yet marketers don’t have that skill.

    So it’s not a new skill that marketers entering the field need to learn, but it is a skill that every marketer needs to learn if you want to succeed.

    Remember this compassion equals attention.

    If you behave with compassion, and your marketing provides value without asking anything in return.

    Then when the person is ready to buy, you will have their attention so that you can make the offer good question.

    Long answer.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Technology Challenges?

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Technology Challenges?

    Chandni asks, “What are the technology challenges that marketers face today?”

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    Johnny asks, what are the technology challenges that marketers face today? There’s so many.

    But here’s the secret.

    They’re not technology challenges, above and beyond a certain point.

    So some of the Tech Tech challenges that marketers face, the biggest one is actually data, the cleanliness and correctness and completeness of your data.

    If your data is not complete, clean and correct, then all the fancy new marketing to as technology tools will not work with it.

    It’s it’s like having bad ingredients, right? If you have the best oven in the world, and you have the best recipes, you got a super talented chef, and you bought sand instead of flour.

    You’re not making cake, or bread or anything edible, right? No, it doesn’t matter how good everything else is that the ingredients are bad, you’re out of luck.

    And so when it comes to technology challenges for marketers, more often than not, it is those ingredients that are the problem and not the technology themselves.

    If we think about the different ways to address technology, let’s use the framework that my company Trust Insights uses called a five p framework, purpose, people process platform performance.

    Anytime you’re evaluating a technology, you’re talking about the platform, one of the five pieces.

    The first question you got to ask is what is the purpose? What are you trying to do? What is the end state you’re trying to reach? If you are trying to do say, lead scoring, and you’ve got a bunch technology that has nothing to do with lead management, then you’ll have a technology challenge, you have a purpose problem, you have a complete misalignment of your technology with the intended outcome.

    So you got to be clear on your purpose first.

    Second, is your people.

    This is where most of the problems that plague marketers actually exist, it is not in the technology because technology is agnostic.

    Yes, different products have different features here and there.

    But it always comes down to the people.

    Do your people have the right skills? And more important? Do your people have the right aptitudes? And within aptitude is attitude.

    If you have people who are firmly fixed and whose response to anything new is always well, this is the way we’ve always done it, you’re doomed.

    Right, you are doomed update your LinkedIn profile, because your company’s going out of business sooner or later.

    If that’s the attitude that people have within your organization, you are in a lot of trouble.

    And again, this is not a technology challenge.

    But it impacts technology, because those same people will be the decision makers to say no, we don’t need to evaluate new technology for our CRM.

    No, we don’t need to lead.

    You know better lead scoring.

    No, we don’t need to be looking at artificial intelligence.

    Those people are the roadblocks to your progress.

    The ones who say this is the way we’ve always done it, and we’re not going to make any changes.

    You want people who have an attitude of curiosity, of perseverance, of openness, of eagerness passion about the work they’re doing.

    It doesn’t have to be obviously, you know, all consuming you want people will like working 18 hour days, but they should like what they do.

    Your next area is process, what processes do you have in place to leverage your technology? Are you still having the intern copy paste eight hours a day? To get data ready for your technology platform? If you do, you’ve got a process problem.

    And it could be solved in some cases by technology.

    But it’s really a process problem.

    Then you get to the platform itself, the technologies what technologies are using and are they the right fit for the problem you’re trying to solve? This is particularly troublesome in data science.

    When are we talking about data engineering and data storage? How is your data being stored what formats what engines are being used to store that data? It is.

    It is not a technology problem.

    It is a sometimes sometimes a vendor selection problem, but is almost always a requirements problem.

    You didn’t document what you needed to get the work done that you needed to have done and so you bought some technology that then does not fit the purpose? Same as buying a car, right? You wanted the sports car, because it looks cool.

    But you needed the station wagon to haul crap around.

    You can’t fit more like more than a hat in the trunk of a sports car.

    Right? What you really needed, right? It probably was a pickup truck.

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    And that’s a failure of requirements.

    There’s nothing wrong with the technology, right? The sports car is designed to be a sports car, the pickup is designed to be a pickup, what went wrong was the requirements gathering and said, I need to to look cool, okay.

    But I also need to haul, you know, half a ton of stone around every now and again, you’re not doing that in a sports car.

    And finally, horses measurement.

    Performance, is the technology the people in the processes you have doing what you intended, are you achieving your purpose? And again, this is something that marketers don’t measure well, and as a result, they don’t necessarily deliver very well on you got to do that.

    Right? You’ve got to be able to dig in and say, yes, we’ve met our goals, no, we’ve not met our goals, we are 60% of the way to our goals, and so on and so forth.

    So be very careful is my my watch would here be very, very careful with what you deem a technology problem because a lot of the cases it’s not a technology problem.

    Even though every tech vendor would like to convinced you that it is so that you buy their stuff.

    It 90 ish percent of the time is going to be a people problem or process problem.

    If you fix that.

    You may find that the technology you have can be coerced into doing what you want.

    Or at worst, you have a good solid business case for why you need to change technologies once you fully understand the scope of the problem you’re trying to address.

    So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Business Intelligence Tools for Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Business Intelligence Tools for Marketers?

    Chandni asks, “What new age business intelligence tools would you recommend for marketers?”

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    Johnny asks, what New Age business intelligence tools would you recommend for marketers? New Age like, like healing crystals and stuff? I’m assuming you mean, what new? What new technologies? Would I recommend for marketers? I wouldn’t.

    Here’s why.

    Business Intelligence tools are like appliances.

    Right? an appliance, like a blender, for example, is only as good as the person using it.

    The ingredients that go into it, and the recipe you’re trying to make.

    Recommending a, you know, a shiny or faster, more powerful blender doesn’t help if you don’t know what a blender is, or how to use one properly.

    Right? Let’s say you’re making smoothies, should you be using a blender? Yes.

    Because making a smoothie by hand sucks.

    If you’re making steak, should you use a blender? Oh, oh, you shouldn’t? Not for any reason, I can’t think of a single application where that makes sense.

    So there are all these business intelligence tools out there.

    There’s classics like SPSS, there’s Tableau, there’s Alteryx.

    There’s our studio and Python and Google Data Studio, and you name it, there’s so many to choose from.

    And here’s the secret that vendors don’t want you to know that for the most part, they all pretty much do the same thing.

    There are little differences here.

    And there.

    Certainly user interface and customer support and stuff are valid differentiators.

    But in terms of the core functionality, business intelligence tools are about as different as blenders are right.

    So you can get a super high end, you know, 900 Vitamix, or you can get, you know, the Amazon Basics, you know, a99 blender.

    And they fundamentally do the same thing, right? They blend things, how well they blend things, how long the motor lasts and stuff.

    Those are the differentiators quality of build, service and support.

    same was true for BI tools.

    There are different BI tools that fit like what cloud platform you’re tied into, like Power BI, if you’re a Microsoft shop, you’re probably using Power BI whether you want to or not.

    If you’re an IBM shop, you’re using Watson Studio, again, whether you want to or not.

    So the question then becomes, well, if the tool isn’t the differentiator, what is the answer is you.

    What I recommend for marketers is not more tools, right? If you got a blender, you don’t need a second blender.

    Even though every blender vendor out there would like you to buy their blender, you don’t need more than one, maybe two, if you’re afraid that that one’s going to break.

    Same with BI tools, it’s not a question of do you need a better tool? Unless the tool you’ve bought is horrendous.

    The bigger question is, do you know how to use the ones you have? And do you know I have a book of recipes, and you have the right ingredients? So let’s presume and say you have the right ingredients, you’ve got good data, and it’s clean, which is admittedly a very large assumption.

    Do you personally know the different statistical techniques that your BI tool is performing? Do you know what questions to ask of it? Do you know when you should use regression versus classification? Do you know the different types of regression? That knowledge which is kind of like recipes, recipes and techniques and cooking, right? That knowledge is what’s going to make a BI tool useful.

    So it’s not the tool, it’s the person using the tool.

    And so I would recommend marketers that you learn the basics of data science, you don’t have to become a data scientist, right? You don’t have to go back and study calculus and linear algebra and stuff like that.

    But you should know, for example, what are the different kinds of types of regression, you know, what are the different types of classification? There’s binary classification multinomial classification.

    You should know what those things mean.

    You don’t need to know the math behind them necessarily, but you should know if you open a BI tool.

    What all these buttons do and what do they mean.

    Right.

    When you look at a blender, and you look at the control panel for blender, you should at least have a general idea of what each button does.

    You don’t have to know the specifics.

    You don’t have to know how electricity flows through the electromagnets to powers the motor and all that stuff.

    That’s that’s not helpful.

    But if there’s a smoothie button There’s a soup button, you probably should know the difference between the two.

    The same thing is true your BI tools.

    If a tool is saying, here’s some regression, here’s some prediction, here’s some classification.

    What is it mean? What are the buttons do? When do I use? Any given button?

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    Do you push this button? When you have data from Excel? Do you push this button your data from Google Analytics? How do you reconcile all these different options? When you know that, when you learned that, and you can make really good informed decisions with your BI tool, then you’re cooking? Right? Then you’re able to make the most of what you have.

    And as of that point, we can then say, and make an informed decision.

    Yeah, actually, the 99 blood dollar blender is not cutting it anymore, we need to do something a little higher end.

    But you’ll know why.

    You’ll know what things your BI tool can and cannot do.

    If you’re trying to do, for example, like x g boost, and the tool you have only does linear regression, you can say yeah, yeah, we need to upgrade, because the techniques that we want to use are not available in our tool.

    But it has to be driven by your business requirements, by your data requirements.

    And by the skills of people on your team.

    One of the big challenges with a lot of BI tools is that yeah, they all have like, you know, Swiss Army Knife stuff, have, you know, all sorts of different techniques.

    But do you know what to do with it? Do you know when to apply each of these techniques, and that’s what sets apart not only BI tools, but that’s what sets apart people in the organization.

    I know when to use this technique versus that technique.

    Right? It’s like cooking, do you know when to blend and when to fry or to broil? They’re different, they’re very different.

    Again, if you’re making steak, you’re probably gonna want to boil maybe fried definitely never blend.

    So that’s what I would recommend.

    I can almost certainly guess there are a number of people who work at vendors saying I wish you had mentioned my tool.

    And look, I’m sure your tool is great.

    In the hands of somebody incompetent, it’s useless.

    In the hands of somebody who’s proficient, it does amazing things.

    Your challenge as a vendor is to make more people who are competent at business intelligence in general.

    And your tool just happens to be the vehicle by which they do their work.

    But if you don’t have that audience of people who are really good at business intelligence at the mathematical and statistical techniques, the developing the shyness tool in the world won’t help because it’s like owning a blender that you never use.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Metaverse Impact on Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Metaverse Impact on Marketing?

    Chandni asks, “Is the metaverse going to change everything? How can brands prepare?”

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    Johnny asks, Is the metaverse going to change everything? How can brands prepare? A drink but this one? No.

    The Metaverse is not a new idea, by any means, right? As much as, as Mark Zuckerberg and company would like to tell us that this is the promised future.

    It isn’t.

    We’ve had meta versus before, maybe not with VR application of VR technology.

    But we’ve had meta vs and virtual worlds.

    This is not a new concept.

    I mean, go back to the 90s.

    And you have Neil Stevenson, Snow Crash.

    I mean, that was one of the first really fleshed out meta verses, go back to 2006.

    And you have second life from Linden Labs, which I confess, I spent an awful lot of time in and back then people are saying, this is the future.

    This is it.

    This is where everything’s going to happen.

    It was cool, right? A virtual reality world that was an open world, what that you could build in kinda like, you know, it was like a more technically complex version of Minecraft.

    And then fast forward to worlds like Minecraft, where you have these meta verses where there’s transactions and you know, building in an open environments.

    what Facebook is trying to position as the future is not new.

    And it’s not going to change everything, for a variety of reasons.

    Number one, the barrier to entry is still too expensive, right? Even though we’ve had virtual reality, adapters and stuff for smartphones and to be able to generate the virtual worlds.

    It still sucks as an experience, right? And these devices, right are even at 199 or 299 $399.

    Us.

    This is a luxury item, right? It’s a it’s a unit Tasker, it does one thing, right? It does virtual reality.

    You can’t go driving a car with us on yet probably shouldn’t be, you know, just wearing it around in general life.

    I mean, I guess you could, but it would be dramatically unsafe.

    Compare that to these guys.

    Right? The ubiquitous smartphone, which is everywhere, which is your portal to the hybrid world.

    Facebook’s motivations for the metaverse are pretty clear, right? The more you get people into a virtual system where you can measure and track everything and eye movement, and interactions, the more you can advertise to those people, and the better your targeting can get and the more your machine learning algorithms can learn.

    Facebook doesn’t need any more information, right? Especially given the most recent round of legal revelations where it was shown that they had very clear knowledge of how their data was being misused.

    And they did literally nothing about it.

    This is not a company that needs any more data.

    So is this Metaverse going to change everything? No, in the same way the cryptocurrency and blockchain itself is not going to change everything.

    These are interesting technologies with very, very high barriers to entry and limited applications right now.

    Now in 10 years, could that be different? Absolutely.

    Right.

    in 10 years, the barrier to entry may be much lower, the cost of the experience may be much better, and that will be great.

    I still wouldn’t trust a Metaverse assembled by Facebook because as a company, they’re fundamentally untrustworthy.

    But you got a ways to go.

    Again, back in 2006, when Linden labs released second life, you had brands leaping in left and right building their own islands, releasing branded content now, you know, branded clothing and hats and, and all sorts of crazy stuff, holding concerts and other virtual experiences.

    And it was a niche.

    It was a niche environment.

    There were probably, I would say, maybe a couple 100,000 people in that universe.

    At any given time.

    There are several million users.

    But it was still a very high barrier to entry not from a computing perspective, just from a a time perspective, because you had to jump into this virtual world and interact with it and spend a lot of time in it.

    We have had persistent virtual worlds now for decades, Blizzard Entertainment’s World of Warcraft first debuted in 2004.

    And other than, you know, for obvious things like system maintenance,

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    that has been a persistent virtual world for the last, what, 18 years? Does it change everything? No, it didn’t? Did it provide people with a particular kind of experience? Yes.

    For what brands should be thinking about? The question is with any technology, how does it amplify the the inherent brand attributes that your brand has, if your brand is an experiential brand, say like you’re a musician, then a virtual world may be a great fit for you to be able to get your content to a wider audience to get it to new audiences that you haven’t met.

    If your brand is selling industrial, concrete, virtual probably is not the first place you should be spending your marketing dollars.

    Now, once you’ve satisfied all your other marketing needs, and you’ve done a really great job of building your brand and you have global recognition, then yeah, you can afford to divert some marketing budget as a test to see how it works.

    But should you be going all in on it? Know, in the same way that I would say a brand shouldn’t be going all in on creator coins or NF T’s? There are some use cases where that technology makes a lot of sense, but not many, right? In terms of how you prepare? It’s fundamentally no different than preparing for any new technology.

    You’ve learned about it, you understand what it is? And then you try to figure out is it a good fit? And if it is a good fit, then you run a pilot project, you see, can we test the waters and see if this thing makes sense? Can we ask our customers if they would be interested in interacting with us in that environment? Right now, people have so much choice when it comes to content, so much choice when it comes to experiences that it’s very hard to get consumers to pick up anything new B2B or B2C? The most scarce resource we have today is attention.

    The fact that you are watching and hearing these words at all, I am immensely thankful to you for spending, you know, seven minutes of your time.

    That is that is the most valuable currency.

    And so expecting somebody to strap a headset on and then invest hours of their life.

    Yes, there will be some people that that is their jam, right? And if those people are also your customers, then the metaverse is for you.

    The majority of the population though, probably is not going to be hanging out there any more than the majority of the population adopted second life back in the day when it was available on desktop computers that of the time it didn’t require any extra special equipment.

    So that would be my take on on it.

    If the concept takes off.

    It will be for it will take a long time to do that.

    Right.

    It will not be immediate, but interesting question.

    Take all things with Metaverse with a grain of salt right now.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Data Trends for Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Data Trends for Marketers?

    Chandni asks, “What’s the next data trend to impact marketing teams?”

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    In today’s episode, Johnny asks, what’s the next data trend to impact marketing teams? Well, here’s the thing.

    There’s a lot that we know is coming down the pike in terms of data privacy, right data privacy, privacy, safe machine learning, privacy, safe data collection, and such that is absolutely going to impact marketers now, whether marketers and marketing teams know this or not.

    That is the big question.

    The laws have been passed, some have taken effect already, many are on their way.

    For example, the biggest one is California’s CPRA, which will take effect January 1 2023.

    One of the big, big changes in this law compared to CCPA, which was passed and went into effect in 2020, is that CCPA said, companies above a certain size, may not sell consumer data without consent without permission.

    The CPRA changes that to say, sell or share.

    So if you were doing a webinar, say with with my company Trust Insights, and in the past, we’d come to an agreement that we would co brand this and such, and I administered it, I wouldn’t be able to share that data with you, I would not be able to share that data with you, unless the consumer had opted in to having the data being shared, right.

    And so that changes a lot of how companies, especially B2B companies do their work.

    Right? Because instead of being able to share data, now, you have to obtain consent.

    And from a consumer perspective, right, you and I are consumers makes total sense.

    I prefer that as a consumer that you asked me for my permission before you go sharing my data with somebody, regardless of whether money changes hands or not, that data is still valuable.

    And so the big data trend that we as marketers need to be paying attention to for the next two to five years is privacy safe data collection, what data you’re collecting.

    More important, what are you doing with the data? If you’re collecting all this information, and you never act on it? Why Why bother? Right? Why collected unused data is a financial waste because it costs money to store it, it costs money to audit it, it costs money to process it.

    It is a security risk is massive security risk, right? unused data, is just waiting for somebody to break in and steal it, the less you have to steal, the less liability you have, right? If you are collecting, you know, first and last and date of birth and social security number and home address and home phone number.

    But all you ever do is email people get rid of everything else except the email address.

    You’re not using it, you’re not making good decisions with it.

    One of the things that I think is really important for marketers to think about is of the data that you do have, how much of it is predictive? So let’s say you have somebody’s postal code, right? You’re collecting postal code, zip code in the USA postal code in other parts of the world.

    If you apply data science to that, that feature among all the other features in your data set, what predictive power does it have? Does it tell you the propensity of somebody to make a purchase, right, if somebody from a certain zip code has a higher propensity to purchase and others and that’s useful information.

    On the other hand, if you run a sophisticated statistical analysis, and you find that there is no predictive power in that piece of data, stop collecting it, just turn it off because it’s not helping you write same with somebody, you know, home address.

    If that information does not help you predict the business outcome you care about, stop collecting it, it’s not helping, on the other hand, keep the things that do have predictive power.

    And that is not I wouldn’t call that a trend.

    I would call that a best practice.

    Do that analysis to figure out what data has predictive power and what data does not all of the information you collect, and know the information you store Other data trends, right now, I would say probably one of the largest ones that people are still in the very beginning stages of is actually harnessing artificial intelligence for marketing purposes.

    Many software vendors are, are doing it, but marketers themselves are not because of time of cost.

    And, frankly, because the outputs may not necessarily make a whole lot of sense.

    And so

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    I would say that in the next two to five years, marketers, particularly the larger companies, you know, enterprises will have to start using artificial intelligence, if they want to be able to unlock the value of all this data that they collected.

    It’s like, data is an ingredient, right? And we’ve been collecting data for years and years and years.

    It’s like having a pantry, our basement full of of ingredients.

    And we don’t really cook with them, right? We just collect and collect and collect.

    That’s not helpful, right? Whereas if we start to use AI to process that data to reduce it to make it actionable, that’s where advantage lays that’s where that’s where the good stuff is.

    So whether or not that is an actual trend, I don’t know.

    But that is the direction people need to go if they want to make use of the data they have and make better decisions.

    So really good question on data trends when it comes to marketing.

    Thanks for asking.

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