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  • Almost Timely News, 20 February 2022: Vertical vs. Horizontal Skills, Entry Level Jobs, Data Visualization Basics

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    What’s On My Mind: Vertical and Horizontal Skills

    I was having a chat with my oldest child today as they’re starting to think about higher education, postsecondary education. They asked what I thought they should study, and I suggested they think about which horizontal skills they enjoy the most.

    For clarity, let’s define these terms. When we think of verticals, we think of industries. Accounting. Human Resources. Marketing. Manufacturing. If you look at a data source like the NAICS code index, everything on that list is a vertical, from agriculture to zookeeping.

    When we study in university or in professional development and training, very often we’re learning vertical skills. How to be a better accountant. How to improve our carpentry skills. These vertical skills are important, parts of our trade skills. How proficient we are dictates to a fair degree how successful we are. Someone really bad at marketing probably won’t be in the marketing profession for long. Vertical knowledge applies only in that particular vertical industry.

    Horizontal skills, on the other hand, are skills that cross industries. Writing. Audio composition. Video. Management. Psychology. These skills are nearly universal, and are a substantial boost to our careers. Someone who’s an excellent writer can do well in many, many verticals. In today’s always on, always watching world, someone who can make great video will do well in tons of different industries. Someone with a strong understanding of mathematics and statistics can apply that knowledge in many different ways and situations. Horizontal knowledge applies broadly with relatively little change to the core essence across many industries.

    I counsel my kid to think about studying horizontal skills for two reasons. First, they’re obviously very transferable. Someone who’s good at managing other people or managing projects can work in pretty much any industry and be successful, from industrial concrete to artificial intelligence to adult entertainment. Everyone needs good managers to help make the workforce work better. Everyone needs good project management to ensure things get done on time and under budget.

    But here’s the real secret: horizontal skills are somewhat harder to build automation for, and really difficult for artificial intelligence to copy effectively. Why? Because horizontal skills are influenced by the vertical they’re placed in, but the important knowledge isn’t stored in the vertical. For example, let’s take being a good writer. Machines are developing decent writing skills, as we talked about a couple of issues ago. That said, they still struggle with very specific writing tasks without a lot of training, and they can’t really write anything original. Everything that a machine writes is synthesized from prior writing it’s learned from.

    Thus, if you want a machine to write great technical papers in, say, vacu-formed plastics, you will need to tune an existing model on that topic with lots of good content about that topic – and that may not exist. At least not enough in quantity to really train a machine well.

    Let’s take audio engineering. A machine can learn some of the tactical basics of audio engineering, like how to remove noise or how to compress audio to a certain specification. Many commercial audio packages like Adobe Audition have these capabilities baked right in. But we are still far from the ability to take raw audio of any kind and have a machine spit out a polished product with no intervention because the rules change from vertical to vertical, application to application. What is great audio engineering for a spoken word podcast would horrifically mangle a musical piece. What sounds great for engineering on classical music is going to sound downright peculiar for jazz. And yet every company that’s trying out a podcast needs some help, and that requires the horizontal skill of audio engineering.

    Horizontal skills have a ton of variation because they change from industry to industry, from application to application. We humans are really good at adapting to different generalizations, and our machine counterparts are still a long way off from being able to transfer skills so easily. So when I tell my child about what they might want to think about studying, I’m suggesting horizontal skills as a way to future-proof their career as best as possible for the years to come.

    So here’s my question to you. What vertical skills do you have? What horizontal skills do you have? And how much of your professional development and training efforts do you invest in each? They’re both important, but horizontal skills are a little more future-proof, so make sure your investment in yourself reflects that.

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  • Mind Readings: Entry Level Means No Experience

    Mind Readings: Entry Level Means No Experience

    I was helping a friend with some job searches this week on LinkedIn and the number of “entry level” jobs requiring 1-3 years of experience and a skills list as long as my arm was obscene. Those are not entry level jobs. Why do companies do this? They want to pay entry level wages for more senior workers. But in the Great Reshuffling, that strategy is broken.

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    In today’s mind meeting, let’s talk about jobs.

    Specifically, how companies are approaching advertising for jobs.

    I was helping a friend this past week with some job searches on LinkedIn.

    And my friend is looking for entry level jobs you know, admin, content marketing, real strong writer, but new, brand new fresh off of actually just got out of the armed forces and started pulling up all these entry level jobs.

    And they all say 123 years experience must have no SEO and content marketing and keyword research.

    And I’m like, What the heck is wrong with you people? That’s not an entry level job.

    An entry level job literally means you just got out of the army.

    And you have no work experience whatsoever.

    Come on in this is an entry level job.

    This is a job that requires no experience requires no skills, because you’re not expected to have any, you should have aptitudes, right.

    You should have the ability to learn quickly and work well with others, those are aptitudes.

    But asking somebody to have SEO experience for an entry level job is ridiculous.

    When were they supposed to get SEO experience if they’ve just graduated from college colleges certainly don’t teach SEO.

    And even if they did, I wouldn’t trust it.

    Because an awful lot of universities when they teach digital marketing or teaching stuff from five years ago, just because somebody says they have SEO experience, like yeah, you have SEO experience from 2015, which is effectively when your colleges curriculum was built for this topic.

    So if you are hiring, and you will have advertised an entry level job, it means no experience, no proven skills in the workforce, etc.

    why do companies do this? Well, the cynical jerk, and MAE says that it’s because companies are cheap.

    And they advertise something as an entry level job with non entry level skills so that they can pay you an entry level wage.

    For more senior work, that might have been fine.

    Well, that might have been something they could get away with.

    A few years ago, when you had more people looking for work than there was work.

    That’s not reality today, right? It is early 2022.

    As I’m recording this video, the job market is upside down.

    Companies are starving for talent and the days of being able to underpay somebody are over.

    To be quite frank, when you look around at the job market, when you look around at the number of vacancies there are you’ve got to raise wages, right? You got to pay people appropriate to the level that you want them to have now starting somebody on minimum wage, with minimum skills, meaning none.

    That’s okay.

    Right, because that’s the pay is aligned with experience.

    Somebody with three years of experience is not entry level at all.

    They are they are mid staff level, possibly on the verge depending on the company of management of like being the junior most manager.

    That’s not an entry level worker, and you’re not going to be able to attract talent today that is willing to work for less than they are worth because one of the upsides of the great reshuffling, or whatever we’re calling it nowadays, is that workers have said, we want to be paid what we’re worth.

    I don’t disagree, right as an employee, even though I am a co owner of the company, but as an employee, I want to be paid what I’m worth, when I pitch my services to prospective customers, I want them to pay what I’m worth not with the minimum amount that they can get away with.

    The difference now is that because there is such a lack of available talent companies are having to step up and say yes, we will grudgingly pay higher wages if we can get you to actually take this job.

    So if you want to get ahead of the curve, if you want to be able to attract talent and stand a chance of keeping it you need to substantially revamp your hiring processes and look at what skills you’re asking for.

    Look at what how many years of experience you’re looking for.

    And then match your compensation and your job listings.

    For those things.

    If you need somebody three years of experience, call them a mid level specialist right because that’s what they are.

    If somebody is entry level They are fresh off the boat.

    They have no skills whatsoever.

    They only have aptitudes, they maybe have some like academic products that they did while they were at university.

    But that’s it.

    And if you want to pay entry level wages, you have to get entry level workers.

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    My other advice for and this is for career seekers is because companies are in such dire straits apply for whatever job you want, right? Within reason, like if you’re one year out of college, you probably should not apply for a CMO job.

    But if you see a company hiring for the area of specialty or expertise that you have, it’s okay to punch up a level or two, right? So if you’re a manager, apply for the director position.

    At worst, they’re just gonna say no, right? But chances are, in today’s market, there are companies are so starved for talent that they might be willing to take a bet on you.

    And if you can live up to that bet.

    If you can show them that.

    You can do that higher level job at the higher level pay, you might be able to advance your career a little faster than you would have say three years ago.

    So entry level means no experience.

    If you are a hiring manager, and you’ve got entry level jobs that say they need any kind of skills, please revamp that job title.

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  • Mind Readings: The Price of Overexaggeration

    Mind Readings: The Price of Overexaggeration

    Amazing. Game changing. Mind blowing. Awesome. In our mad grab for attention, we’ve managed to dilute the meaning of nearly every superlative to the point where we’re no longer able to make useful distinctions. What about the contrarian point of view? It’s certainly attention-getting.

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    In today’s episode of mine readings, let’s talk about over exaggeration.

    If you listen to how marketers market things, and how people talk these days, we’ve kind of painted ourselves into a corner.

    Think about some of the terms that people love to use, either in conversation or in marketing, calling folks besties or best friends, saying that something is amazing or game changing our mind blowing or awesome.

    We use these terms, in increasingly extreme ways.

    To grab attention, right to get attention.

    And in the process for this mad grab for attention, we’ve sort of diluted the meaning of every single superlative available to the point where you can’t make any more useful distinctions, right? What’s the difference between a project a product that’s amazing and a product that’s mind blowing? I don’t know.

    What’s the difference between someone who’s a good friend a BFF, and a bestie? Again, I don’t know.

    When we lose the ability to make these useful distinctions, we lose the ability to actually show when something is important, right? If everything is awesome, then nothing really awesome, right? It becomes a meaningless term.

    When every product or service or company is revolutionary.

    At that point, that term doesn’t have any meaning.

    So what are we supposed to do about this? How are you supposed to make useful distinctions? The thing I would try doing is actually approaching it from the contrarian point of view.

    What would happen if you started off a press release instead, instead of saying, you know, Trust Insights is excited to reveal its latest product? Right? What if you said Trust Insights is mildly pleased to release its newest product that is completely believable, right over as opposed to unbelievable, and will satisfy customers needs for doing this particular task with a minimum of difficulty, as opposed to saying, as you know, revolutionary products is going to change everything and, and completely alter the way you work.

    Because let’s be honest, most products don’t do that.

    Most services, most companies, at best haven’t added of quality to your life, right? They help make your life a little bit better.

    Very few products are so impressive that they fundamentally change how you live or work.

    But more important, when you use language from the sort of contrarian point of view is in self attention getting because it’s different than what people are used to hearing, everybody is used to hearing about revolutionary game changing products instead of products that will minorly help you in your workday.

    This product will save you several dollars and perhaps a few minutes a day.

    As opposed to saying this gonna save you millions of dollars and deliver outstanding ROI and and we know those products will not actually do that.

    So if you were to describe your marketing, and your products and your services, with terms that were more accurate to the emotional state that they actually create in your customers.

    What would that look like? And how would attract the attention of people who are destined to the overuse of superlatives? Right? When you can’t tell the difference between something that’s awesome and terrific.

    And somebody says this product is just north of mediocre like what, what does that mean? It is a conversation starter.

    It’s a way for you to interrupt a pattern that everybody else is doing and and do something different.

    Do something that gets people to pay attention to you.

    So, the takeaway here is you are paying a price In listening to terms, I have just massive over exaggerated, Ajit adoration, and you are paying a heavy price as a marketer if you’re using those terms, because nobody has any idea what they mean anymore.

    Christopher Penn 5:15

    So if you were to describe products and services for the actual emotional impact they have, you’ll get more attention, you’ll get more conversation, you’ll get happier customers in a lot of ways.

    Because if you accurately described your product as minorly, satisfying, right? That’s a lot of scratching your head, initially.

    But if you set that expectation and your product delivers on that expectation, then you have a happier customer than describing your product as revolutionary.

    And then the customers like, well, I, my job’s pretty much the same.

    And I save two minutes a day on this task.

    Because if you’re charging somebody for a revolutionary product, and you’re not delivering, you’re gonna be in for a bad time, right? At some point, somebody will say, what are we paying all this money for this product that says it does this thing and really doesn’t do this thing, as opposed to saying, Here’s a product that lives up to its billing, right? It is a nice minor convenience.

    And you can have a debate about the pricing of a nice minor convenience, but you won’t have to worry about people going well, they promised me the world and all they gave me was a taco right now tacos are good.

    But again, there’s not one of those things that is going to change the world and bring about world peace.

    So that’s today’s Mandarin.

    Just some thoughts about how we use our language and being more precise in our use of language being more accurate in our use of language so that it aligns with expectations.

    It aligns with the experience people will have, and it stands out from everybody else who’s saying that their product is the next best thing since sliced bread.

    Thanks for watching.

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  • Mind Readings: Idea Capture Anywhere

    Mind Readings: Idea Capture Anywhere

    What do you do when you have an idea? How do you capture it? And how many ideas have gotten away? I share some of how I manage to capture as many ideas as possible.

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    In today’s mind readings, just some thoughts about idea capture.

    One of the things that if you are doing your job well, if you are advancing your career and focusing on professional development and training enough, you should be having ideas about the things that you’re working on.

    At really random times, you know, when you’re on the treadmill or out for a run, or doing yoga, or cooking dinner or in the shower, depending on how your brain works, and the level of focus and the level of commitment you have to the work that you’re doing, either for yourself personally, or for the company that you work for.

    You can have ideas happening any hour of the day.

    So the question then becomes, how are you capturing those ideas.

    A lot of folks rely on having a notepad and a pen.

    And when they have an idea, you know, they keep one by their bedside and things like that, I think it’s a really important and useful way to to track ideas have something nearby, you can jot down an idea really quickly.

    That, however, isn’t always necessarily available to us.

    What I suggest doing in addition to in addition to not separately, is either using like a Voice Memo app on your phone, or a little digital audio recorder, so that you can take notes.

    When you have an idea, just talk things through.

    If you have a smartwatch, for example, there are plenty of apps like reminder apps and dictation apps and Voice Memo apps that you can use on a smartwatch.

    So even if you’re running on the treadmill, you can breathlessly yell into your watch, hey, set a reminder for citizen data scientist study for tomorrow.

    Your brain is kind of like a lightning storm, a thunderstorm.

    And all of these little things are lightning rods.

    Right? If you only have one up pad of paper and a pen, then when the storms nearby that lightning will strike and you’ll be able to capture it, make use of it.

    But all the rest of the time.

    All these things are happening.

    And then they just kind of fade away.

    Right? There’s the lightning never touches down.

    And you never can capture that energy.

    If you’ve got smartwatches and phones and you know smart devices and things that you can just yell out in the air, your phone, your tablet, your Smart TV, is you’ve got all these different capture points.

    It’s like having lightning rods everywhere.

    And then when an idea strikes, boom, the lightning bolt touches down somewhere, though it can be captured.

    So the question is, how many of these different things you have around? And then how how proficient are you at getting those ideas into one place, or consolidating them.

    So one of the things I do is I have the Reminders app that I use, and then my smartphone and my smartwatch, and when I’m on the treadmill or I’m in the shower or whatever, I can just sort of yell out ideas that go into either my reminders list or my to do list.

    And then every day I go into those apps and move things around put stuff in my blogging list, so that if I have an idea, it doesn’t get lost, it doesn’t the lightning doesn’t strike somewhere that that then just goes away I actually have a hard time with like pen and paper writing things down aches, I can’t read my own handwriting.

    And be because my brain is usually going so fast that I can’t write fast enough to keep up with it, but I can dictate something really really quickly.

    And again, with these with these smart devices you can just say Hey, assistant, set a reminder for it immediately start talking as soon as the idea occurs, you can funnel it to somewhere you can get that idea out of your head and into some tangible form we can then look at it and refine and things like that like I’m looking at my list of ideas that have been yelling to the air and there’s a whole bunch of things in here that like oh yeah, I remember that was what that was I was um was what I was driving down the road saw pothole and wonder if I could fill that pothole with Reese reused waste plastic instead of asphalt, you know, random ideas like that.

    But I was able to capture it.

    You know, maybe it’ll become something someday but who knows? But I was able to capture it because I had some device where I could just yell in the air and, and the lightning of the idea, touchdown and was captured.

    So how do you capture your ideas? How many different avenues do you have for capturing ideas?

    Christopher Penn 5:16

    And do you have some kind of process that consolidates that that gets all those things back into one spot so that you’re able to make use of them.

    give that some thought and love to hear about how you capture ideas and more importantly how you consolidate those ideas and and how you how you make sure that at least something happens with them at some point, but thanks for watching.


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  • You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Analytics for LinkedIn?

    You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Analytics for LinkedIn?

    Amoussou asks, “At what point in a content creator’s life should they use third party analytics apps for LinkedIn?”

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    In today’s episode, Musa asks, at what point in a content creators life, should they use third party analytics apps for LinkedIn? Hmm, well, it depends, most third party apps that claim to be able to access LinkedIn and do analytics on them, you’ve got to be very, very careful because a fair number of them, if you read the fine print, probably violate LinkedIn Terms of Service.

    That in turn means that if you are caught using them by LinkedIn automated detection software, your LinkedIn account can get canned, right can be deleted, you can be suspended for violation of the terms of service.

    And then you don’t have access to LinkedIn at all, especially if it’s a permanent ban, which means that they will do their best to identify you.

    And any new accounts that you create will also be prohibited from using the service.

    The question really, I think you’re getting out here is, how do you measure the impact of LinkedIn? You do have access to your own data when you post stuff, right, especially if your company page as opposed to an individual person.

    But more important, the question I would ask is, what is the outcome? What is the business goal that you’re trying to measure? Are you trying to measure brand awareness, you’re trying to measure lead generation, you’re trying to sell things outright? Generally speaking, most people are probably not going to have a business objective.

    Oh, just be popular on LinkedIn.

    Right? It’s not like Instagram where, you know, people are going to give you free blenders.

    Just for being popular, there’s generally some kind of business outcome.

    So the question is, what is that business outcome that you think being effective, and effective content creator on LinkedIn will generate? And then how do you measure that? So, for example, one of the things that I tried to do on LinkedIn is be active and interactive and talk to my community.

    But I don’t measure LinkedIn on LinkedIn, I measure LinkedIn in Google Analytics, when traffic goes to my website, because at that point, I want to see if anything that I’m doing on LinkedIn resonates enough with people that they would want to do business with me in some fashion, whether it’s signing up for my newsletter, listening to videos like this, subscribing to my YouTube channel, and most importantly, asking for help.

    From my company Trust Insights on all things analytics, and marketing consult management consulting, that’s the outcome really after is people saying, Hmm, you’ve provided enough value about this area that we now know, you’re a subject matter expert in this area.

    And the next time we have a need in that area, we know who to call.

    One of the things that you will want to take a look at is things like branded organic search, right? If you are going all in on LinkedIn, you’re just hammering the service, and it is your thing, then, not only should you see direct traffic via Google Analytics, from LinkedIn to your website, you should also see increases in branded organic search that are commensurate and timed with big hits on LinkedIn.

    So let’s say you put up a post and it goes crazy.

    And you know, 10s of 1000s of people are liking it and sharing it.

    Do you see a corresponding increase in branded organic search the number of people searching for you by name? If that you do, then you know that LinkedIn is having a downstream effect on your ability to be found, right? People know who you are, and they know to ask for you by name from the search engine of your choice.

    So should you use these third party analytics tools? Again, most of them violate the terms of service, I would personally not feel comfortable using any kind of third party tool unless it was explicitly partnered with LinkedIn.

    So for example, I use Agorapulse.

    Agorapulse is a LinkedIn partner and you could safely use their app with LinkedIn and get data and feedback and stuff about the stuff you’re putting up on LinkedIn.

    That’s totally fine.

    There’s other tools like LinkedIn helper that runs on your laptop and uses essentially a He built in browser to kind of scrape LinkedIn.

    Christopher Penn 5:04

    They’re not a LinkedIn partner.

    And the way that they’re acquiring LinkedIn data is a violation of the terms of service.

    And so if you get caught, if the automated detection algorithms find you, you could lose your LinkedIn account.

    So how important is your LinkedIn account to you? How much risk are you comfortable with? Because it’s not like gonna go to go to jail or anything? Right? This is just penalties within the service.

    So the question is, can you afford to lose your LinkedIn account? If the answer is yes, you don’t care about that much about it that much, then use as many third party apps as you want.

    Because if you get caught no big deal, right, you’re you just move on and, and you do without LinkedIn.

    On the other hand, if your LinkedIn account is extremely valuable to you, like it is a pillar of your social media marketing strategy, I would shy away from any third party tool that was not an authorized LinkedIn partner, because otherwise, you risk losing that account.

    And that would be just outright bad.

    But really good question.

    Again, if you want to focus on the impact of LinkedIn, look downstream from LinkedIn, look at what happens to traffic from LinkedIn once it goes to your website or the digital property of your choice.

    And if you see growth that is commensurate and contemporary with your LinkedIn activity, then you know LinkedIn is having an effect.

    So really good question.


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  • You Ask, I Answer: Machine Learning vs. AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: Machine Learning vs. AI?

    Maureen asks, “Why do people use machine learning and AI interchangeably?”

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    In today’s episode, Fabrizo asks, Can you make the intro shorter? Yes, the intro is now 60% shorter from 30 seconds down to 12.

    Now, Maureen asks, why do people use machine learning and AI these two terms interchangeably? Well, the reason is because honestly, it’s because I think most people don’t have a good sense of what either term means.

    And so they just kind of mix and match.

    To be clear.

    Artificial Intelligence is a an umbrella term that is specific to teaching machines to develop intelligence skills that we have naturally.

    So if you are watching this video, and you can distinguish me from the background here, right, you’re using vision, if you’re hearing the audio to this video, and that’s not just noise, you’re able to distinguish things like sounds, different sounds you’re using hearing, right? If those sounds get turned into words, you’re using what’s called language processing.

    All of these are intelligence skills.

    And when we teach computers to do these things with artificial intelligence, right, it’s an intelligence skills that we’re teaching to a machine, rather than being something that’s natural, done by humans or other animals to obviously, things like parrots can certainly learn to repeat words and such.

    machine learning is a subset of artificial intelligence, it’s part of AI, but it is not all of AI.

    And machine learning, specifically refers to giving data to machines from which they can write their own software, right, they can build their own code, based on the information they’re given, and a pre defined set of tools and algorithms to build their own code.

    All machine learning is AI, but not all AI is machine learning.

    Right? So it is a subset.

    Why people use these two interchangeably, partly, partly is a marketing reason.

    In some ways, artificial intelligence has been a buzzword now for about 10 years.

    And as such, has sort of lost its luster.

    Understandably, so.

    There have been many, many AI projects that have gotten off the ground that didn’t really go anywhere.

    And there have been a number of movies and TV shows and things where consumers and the general population were introduced the concept of AI and it created these mistaken perceptions about what machines are capable of people think of, you know, the Terminator, and killer robots and Star Trek.

    And all of these different types of artificial intelligence that are more properly artificial general intelligence, which means machines that are essentially sentient, no such things exist as of this recording, and so for distinguishing that sort of consumerization of the AI term, a lot of folks have said, Okay, well, maybe we should focus in specifically on the machine learning part.

    Given data, we’re teaching machines to do other intelligence tasks and create their own software.

    Most of the artificial intelligence that you interact with on a day to day basis is machine learning.

    From recommendations that you get from Google Analytics, from recommendations you get on Amazon when you’re shopping and says You might also like these three other things that are somewhat related to what’s in your cart, every time you fire up Netflix, and it suggests another series, or you fire up Spotify, it says, Consider adding these songs to your playlist.

    All of that is machine learning.

    There’s yet another distinction that people like to make the differences between classical machine learning and deep learning.

    Deep learning is when machines are not only writing their own software, but they’re also choosing their own algorithms based on all kinds of data inputs and these neural networks.

    The closest analogy I think you could easily make as if machine learning is a chef with a lot of very expensive, fancy machines that do you know 90% of the prep work.

    Deep learning really is a kitchen that almost completely runs itself, right? There’s there’s very little to no human intervention a lot A lot of the time,

    Christopher Penn 5:02

    the challenge and the reason why you would pick one of the over the other is based on the amount of data you have.

    Deep learning requires a lot of data, we’re talking millions of records, millions of samples from which the machine can create a neural network.

    Oftentimes, especially in marketing, we don’t have millions of examples to train on.

    So when we have something, for example, like the GPT, Neo X, natural language generation models, that’s trained on 800 terabytes of text, right, the entirety of Wikipedia, the entirety of Google Books, there’s tons of information to work from when you’re trying to build a model for your ideal customers.

    But you don’t have 10s of millions of ideal customers, right? If you’re a B2B company, you probably have like five ideal customers, right? That the CMOS of the Fortune 10 Are your ideal customers.

    And so those cases where classical machine learning makes a lot more different, much more of a difference is much more effective than deep learning.

    So which term should you use depends on which application if you’re talking about the overall teaching of tasks that are currently done by humans, vision, listening, language, etc.

    AI is a perfectly fine term to use.

    If you are talking about the feeding of data to machines to build their own models, you’re talking about machine learning.

    If you’re talking about building neural networks, out of very large data sets, you’re talking about deep learning.

    And there’s a few other more specialized terms in there, but those are probably not as well recognized outside of the AI field.

    So don’t worry too much about them right now.

    The last caution I will offer is Buyer beware.

    A lot of companies will say that they use artificial intelligence or machine learning and in fact are not.

    In 2018.

    The Financial Times did a survey of 100 companies that were claiming to use AI and did some substantial background investigation found that 35% of them were just outright lying.

    They had offshore outsourced humans doing the work instead.

    So just because something is using AI or machine learning a doesn’t mean it actually is and be doesn’t mean that it’s it’s any good, right? I can use machine learning to overcomplicate nearly any problem.

    It doesn’t make the solution better.

    It just changes what technologies are in the solution.

    So really good question.


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  • Almost Timely News, 13 February 2022: Google Analytics and GDPR, Metaverse, Content Sparks

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    What’s On My Mind: Google Analytics and Privacy Laws

    This past week, we saw in the news that Google Analytics™ in its current form was ruled non-compliant with GDPR. According to the International Association of Privacy Professionals:


    Just weeks after the Austrian Data Protection Authority’s ruling that Google Analytics use violates the EU General Data Protection Regulation, France’s data protection authority, the Commission nationale de l’informatique et des libertés, has reached a similar decision.

    In its decision, the CNIL said data collection and transfers to the United States using Google Analytics “are illegal,” violating Article 44 of the GDPR. The CNIL ordered an unidentified French website manager to bring its processing into compliance with the GDPR within one month and stop using the service under current conditions, if necessary.

    The CNIL said transfers to the United States “are currently not sufficiently regulated” and the absence of an EU-U.S. adequacy decision presents “a risk for French website users who use this service and whose data is exported.” The authority noted additional measures taken by Google to regulate Google Analytics data transfers “are not sufficient to exclude the accessibility of this data for US intelligence services.”

    The CNIL said its investigation “also extends to other tools used by sites that result in the transfer of data of European Internet users to the United States,” adding, “Corrective measures in this respect may be adopted in the near future.”


    What does this mean for us, given that increased privacy laws came into effect this year (such as California’s CPRA, whose enforcement mechanisms take effect next year but the scope of data began January 1, 2022)? In short, it means several things.

    The key paragraph in the story from IAPP is the final part of the excerpt above. It’s not just Google Analytics™ that’s in question here. It’s every piece of MarTech software that transfers data across borders. If you use Hubspot, Salesforce, Google Analytics, Adobe Analytics… you name it, if data is crossing borders, it’s likely at some point to run afoul of the law.

    Companies need to be thinking about first-party analytics solutions. First-party analytics solutions are software packages that you host yourself, on your own servers, collecting data and not transferring it to any other entity (even Google). Open source solutions such as Matomo may fit the bill, as they are entirely self-hosted; they are capable of meeting the strictest privacy requirements, including highly-regulated industries. Remember though, the key to compliance here is that you must host and maintain the servers in your own IT architecture so that the data you collect never leaves your possession.

    In the longer term, we marketers must make the pivot away from collecting personal information and focusing on behavioral information. This is something I’ve been saying since 2017, when we all saw the final form GDPR would take. Do we need to know someone’s age or gender or ethnicity or religion? Do we need to know their Spotify favorites or their sexual orientation or the last movie they watched on Netflix? No. What we need to know are the behavioral buying signals to look for. For example, if someone visits your products page, your about page, and engages with your chatbot, that could be a behavioral signal that the person – whoever they are – has buying intent. That in turn should trigger marketing technology solutions to engage them further.

    Here’s the real secret, the real key to making all this work. The one thing that makes all privacy legislation and law moot is affirmative consent. If a consumer knowingly and willingly gives us their information and consent to use it for marketing purposes, no law can touch us as long as we have a paper trail that will stand up in a court of law. So, how do we earn that consent? The same way you earn any consent: by providing much more value than you take, so much that the consumer is eager and happy to give you their information. They WANT to hear from you. They look forward to your emails. They have conversations with you.

    Pivoting to a marketing strategy which involves actually making customers happy is going to be more costly in the short term but will return multiples on your investment in the long term. You’ll have very few issues with privacy laws. You’ll have an easy time providing proof in a court of law. And most of all, you’ll have happy prospects and customers, people who will willingly share your marketing with others and do part of your marketing for you. You need very few analytics services when customers are throwing information at you as fast and as fully as possible, eager and excited to hear from you.

    That’s the end state we should all be aiming for, and forward thinking companies and marketing leaders should be working towards that end state with as much investment as possible.

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  • Mind Readings: Content Sparks

    Mind Readings: Content Sparks

    In this episode of Mind Readings, some thoughts about our cadence of marketing and how it’s like striking a flint onto tinder to light a fire.

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    In today’s mind reading, I had a thought the other day about sparks and fire.

    Let’s say you’re trying to start a fire and you’ve got your Tinder and your kindling and your your wood and you’re ready to go.

    How are you going to start that fire? What’s? What’s the easiest way to start that fire? Suppose you have something like a flint and Tinder, right? You have a knife and little stone you scrape against that and you get some sparks to fly onto your Tinder how successful will you be? If you take out your knife, right? And you strike your your Flint once you get a few sparks to land on on your Tinder? Not very, I mean, you might get lucky, you might starve a little bit of a fire.

    But on the other hand, if you can’t, if you have a, you know, Tinder and you’re just repeatedly Whack, whack, whack getting lots and lots of sparks.

    How quickly will you start a fire much more quickly, right? The more you strike your Flint, the more sparks you throw.

    As long as they’re hot, the more likely it is you’ll get a fire started.

    A product Okay, great, cool.

    I don’t know how to start a fire.

    What does this have to do with anything? When we think about our marketing, our content are the sparks.

    Now, if they’re terrible, it’s terrible content, right? Like I have something here is inert like a fork instead of an actual Flint.

    And I’m striking it nothing’s happening, right? Nothing’s happening, because it’s terrible.

    And it just like if you have a terrible content, no matter how often you strike, or how hard strike and if it’s terrible content, you get no sparks, right? Nothing happens.

    But assume that you have good content, which I know is a stretch.

    Assume you have good content.

    It’s something people want.

    It’s something that people were happy to receive.

    How much content should you create? How many formats every time you publish a piece of content, it is this.

    Right? So if you have a monthly newsletter, then once a month, you get a chance to throw some sparks.

    Maybe it catches some people’s attention.

    Well, if you have a weekly newsletter, once a week, for a month, four to five opportunities.

    You’re throwing more sparks.

    And then you have a daily blog post.

    You have some posts on social media.

    I have content on your YouTube channel.

    Right and you have conferences and trade shows.

    You have a podcast, maybe two podcasts, and you have little snippets that you take from that and put it on Instagram, and on tick tock.

    You see what I’m getting with this content or sparks? Right and as long as it’s good.

    Then every single time you publish every time you put something out there you give people a chance to interact with you if you’re creating an opportunity to possibly light something on fire.

    We are in a unprecedented deficit of attention.

    Think about just these four names Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Disney Plus, these four services occupied the eyes and ears of like 90% of our customers.

    Think about these names, Spotify, Apple Music.

    Again, Amazon Prime music all these services occupy the ears like 90% of our customers.

    So much attention is being vacuumed up that if we just have a monthly newsletter and that’s it.

    Even if it’s really great.

    It’s not a lot of sparks.

    We’re not throwing a lot of sparks out there and as a result, things aren’t catching on fire.

    If you can increase the cadence of your content while maintaining Quality or improving quality, if that’s the caveat, if you can increase the canes while keeping the quality the same or better, then you’re putting more sparks out there giving people more to react to that,

    Christopher Penn 5:14

    in turn creates opportunities for more conversions.

    sales folks know this.

    The more times that a salesperson picks up the phone and dials or sends an email something, the more likely it is, they will eventually get some kind of response, even if the response is please stop calling me.

    As opposed as being ignored.

    We have to do the same thing with our content with our marketing.

    If it’s good if it’s helpful, if it’s educational, if it’s entertaining, the more we publish, the more we give someone a chance to react to us.

    Look at your open rates for your newsletter.

    Look at your click through rates.

    Look at your impressions and engagements on social media and the monitoring tool, your choice.

    Go look in Google Search Console for impressions and clicks.

    And you will see how little attention you get.

    I was looking at Twitter the other day and like, my average tweet gets something like 2000 3000 impressions out of 95,000 followers, right? It’s terrible.

    And it doesn’t, there doesn’t seem to be a difference.

    When I look how often I publish my publishing on one tweet a day or five tweets, wait a day, on average, it works out to about 2000 impressions in a given time.

    But they’re not the same 2000 people are different, because the way algorithms work and they select you know, based on topics and keywords and stuff.

    So if I can create more content, more stuff, more opportunities for people to see and hear what I’m saying as long as it’s valuable, I get a greater chance of interacting with other people.

    And I get a better chance of earning attention.

    So give that some thought.

    We’re at a point now, in the attention game, where any scrap of attention you’ve got is valuable.

    You need to hold on to it and create more and more and more opportunities for people to give you their attention by handing them the value that they they’re looking for.

    So give that some thought.

    And thanks for watching.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Skills for New Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Skills for New Marketers?

    Chandni asks, “What are the new skills that marketers entering the field need to learn?”

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    Johnny asks, what are the new skills that marketers entering the field need to learn? There’s a lot of new skills.

    There are the obvious ones, for example, like mathematics would be good statistics would be good.

    I think math and stats are something that are deeply overlooked.

    And the ability to use mathematics and statistics to understand data, and be able to draw useful conclusions and make decisions based on data.

    I think those are skills that are essential in today’s data driven world, in today’s AI powered world, you should probably know how these things work in general, not saying you need to go out and get a PhD in applied mathematics, but having an understanding of what the different buttons do in the various platforms of marketing technologies, and sort of what the product does underneath the hood, I think is really important.

    And it’s something that’s dramatically overlooked.

    Another set of skills, and this is gonna sound weird coming from me as a technologist, but another set of skills that are lacking in the population in general, but especially in marketers, and especially in business, are skills around compassion and kindness, empathy.

    So marketing has had a track record of being very self centered, right? By our stuff, here’s our stuff, look at us, aren’t we awesome? Our products are better than the next guy’s products.

    And this self centered marketing has resulted in just really crappy marketing.

    Right? So many marketers out there just making as much noise as possible, in the hopes of attracting attention in the hopes of getting business.

    But attention is the most scarce commodity of all right now.

    You have so many channels, so many apps, so many services, so many things competing for our eyeballs and our ears every single day, that you can’t shout your way to success.

    You just can’t.

    You can’t be louder than the din that we’re all surrounded by.

    And the old traditional way of just yelling louder about how awesome you are just doesn’t work.

    Not enough to drive a business, certainly not enough to scale a business.

    So what does drive business What does scale a business in this environment? That compassion that true customer centricity is what will drive your business, right.

    Being able to be kind being able to be tolerant of people who aren’t like you.

    We as a society, but and we as a profession have gotten into our heads idea of the ideal customer and micro targeting this customer.

    And using AI and machine learning to identify precisely when that customer is ready to buy, not realizing that a good amount of the time, nobody’s ready to buy, right me like one person that’s ready to buy out of 100 at any given moment in time, and the other 99 people ain’t interested in buying.

    And so blasting all 100 of them with a buy now message is pointless.

    Because yes, you might get that one person is ready to buy and get pissed off the other 99 and now they’re never going to buy from you.

    If you approach your marketing from a perspective of customer centricity of compassion, of empathy, which just means putting yourself in the customers shoes and saying, Would I want to receive this marketing? Right if I’m going to send out a big offer and I put myself on the other side of it.

    What I want to buy my own product, right? Think about that when you’re rolling out your your next promotion, put yourself in your customers shoes, pretend you don’t work for your company and say Would I actually care if if I received this promotion or whatever in the mail? The answer is probably no.

    Right? Unless your product is some thing is so awesome that you know, you have no marketing troubles, right? You generally don’t people generally don’t have a hard time convincing somebody else to buy a Tesla, right? If you have the money, and you think electric cars are cool, it’s not a tough sell.

    That skill, the skill of really being in somebody else’s shoes and seeing things from their point of view, isn’t taught not enough.

    And

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    it is essential for making your marketing better.

    Because your marketing has to your communications have to be the kind of thing that another person would just want to get.

    Right? Like, I’m recording these videos now not because I want to improve the SEO on my website, whatever.

    This is a list of questions that somebody actually sent me.

    And I think they’re useful questions, which is why I’m recording these videos, because I think it might help you.

    Right? Now even talking about stuff that I have for sale, because, honestly, I’m not selling this stuff.

    But if it helps you, if it provides an emotional connection to you, if it compels you to think about stuff in and you find it helpful, then hopefully, when down the road, sometime you are that one person out of the 99 others around you who’s ready to buy something that I sell, I’m hopeful that you’ll say hmm, I remember that video series that Chris did, maybe he knows about this thing, I’ll ask him if his company does this thing.

    That requires compassion.

    Compassion is knowing what somebody else is experiencing, and taking action on it, to make it a better experience, right.

    So if you walk by somebody who’s homeless, and you can see that they’re, you know, cold and starving, you have sympathy because you can understand how they feel.

    You might even have empathy, because you might understand like, what it is that they’re going through.

    But if you don’t take action on it, that’s where it stops, where’s compassion be, you take action on it, bringing it into marketing, if you know what the customer wants, and you can deliver it to them.

    Then you have compassion, especially when there’s nothing in it for you.

    Right when you’re marketing, and you’re you’re giving out marketing to somebody, you’re giving somebody content.

    That doesn’t benefit you, not directly.

    But it helps the person who’s receiving it, that is compassion.

    Right.

    And if you can do that, in your marketing, if you have that skill, your marketing will be more successful, because you will not be sending out stuff to people who don’t want it.

    And you will be helping people in some aspect of their lives personally, professionally, it doesn’t matter.

    So that you build your brand.

    So people remember who you are.

    So you improve your reputation, right? Brand is nothing more than reputation.

    If you improve your reputation, by doing good things for other people, and helping other people, with your content with your marketing, then your marketing in the long run will succeed.

    Right? When you do have to send out that sales pitch, people will read it, because you’ve created so much value for them that they are willing to listen you have their attention.

    When you your marketing is imbued with compassion, you earn attention, compassion equals attention.

    Because if I if I as the recipient, know that you’re really helping me every single email you send me there’s something in it for me, every single ebook or YouTube video, whatever, there’s something that’s going to make my life better.

    I’m going to give you my attention.

    Let’s say hi, I really want to read your emails, I want to see your videos, I want to listen to your podcast because you’re helping me.

    And so that is the skill.

    That is the skill that’s going to set apart marketers now and going forward because in an environment where there is no attention, the only way to return to earn attention in a sustainable manner is with compassion to provide that value so that the person has to give you their attention because they keep getting so much value from you.

    Again, this is not new, right this this stuff goes back to literally 1000s of years ago, every major world religion on the planet has There’s pretty much the same rule right, the Golden Rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    Right? Rabbi Hillel said that which is hateful to your brother do not do that was hateful to you do not do to your brother, right? It’s an every single religion.

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    And yet marketers don’t have that skill.

    So it’s not a new skill that marketers entering the field need to learn, but it is a skill that every marketer needs to learn if you want to succeed.

    Remember this compassion equals attention.

    If you behave with compassion, and your marketing provides value without asking anything in return.

    Then when the person is ready to buy, you will have their attention so that you can make the offer good question.

    Long answer.

    Thanks for watching.


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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Technology Challenges?

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Technology Challenges?

    Chandni asks, “What are the technology challenges that marketers face today?”

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Technology Challenges?

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    Johnny asks, what are the technology challenges that marketers face today? There’s so many.

    But here’s the secret.

    They’re not technology challenges, above and beyond a certain point.

    So some of the Tech Tech challenges that marketers face, the biggest one is actually data, the cleanliness and correctness and completeness of your data.

    If your data is not complete, clean and correct, then all the fancy new marketing to as technology tools will not work with it.

    It’s it’s like having bad ingredients, right? If you have the best oven in the world, and you have the best recipes, you got a super talented chef, and you bought sand instead of flour.

    You’re not making cake, or bread or anything edible, right? No, it doesn’t matter how good everything else is that the ingredients are bad, you’re out of luck.

    And so when it comes to technology challenges for marketers, more often than not, it is those ingredients that are the problem and not the technology themselves.

    If we think about the different ways to address technology, let’s use the framework that my company Trust Insights uses called a five p framework, purpose, people process platform performance.

    Anytime you’re evaluating a technology, you’re talking about the platform, one of the five pieces.

    The first question you got to ask is what is the purpose? What are you trying to do? What is the end state you’re trying to reach? If you are trying to do say, lead scoring, and you’ve got a bunch technology that has nothing to do with lead management, then you’ll have a technology challenge, you have a purpose problem, you have a complete misalignment of your technology with the intended outcome.

    So you got to be clear on your purpose first.

    Second, is your people.

    This is where most of the problems that plague marketers actually exist, it is not in the technology because technology is agnostic.

    Yes, different products have different features here and there.

    But it always comes down to the people.

    Do your people have the right skills? And more important? Do your people have the right aptitudes? And within aptitude is attitude.

    If you have people who are firmly fixed and whose response to anything new is always well, this is the way we’ve always done it, you’re doomed.

    Right, you are doomed update your LinkedIn profile, because your company’s going out of business sooner or later.

    If that’s the attitude that people have within your organization, you are in a lot of trouble.

    And again, this is not a technology challenge.

    But it impacts technology, because those same people will be the decision makers to say no, we don’t need to evaluate new technology for our CRM.

    No, we don’t need to lead.

    You know better lead scoring.

    No, we don’t need to be looking at artificial intelligence.

    Those people are the roadblocks to your progress.

    The ones who say this is the way we’ve always done it, and we’re not going to make any changes.

    You want people who have an attitude of curiosity, of perseverance, of openness, of eagerness passion about the work they’re doing.

    It doesn’t have to be obviously, you know, all consuming you want people will like working 18 hour days, but they should like what they do.

    Your next area is process, what processes do you have in place to leverage your technology? Are you still having the intern copy paste eight hours a day? To get data ready for your technology platform? If you do, you’ve got a process problem.

    And it could be solved in some cases by technology.

    But it’s really a process problem.

    Then you get to the platform itself, the technologies what technologies are using and are they the right fit for the problem you’re trying to solve? This is particularly troublesome in data science.

    When are we talking about data engineering and data storage? How is your data being stored what formats what engines are being used to store that data? It is.

    It is not a technology problem.

    It is a sometimes sometimes a vendor selection problem, but is almost always a requirements problem.

    You didn’t document what you needed to get the work done that you needed to have done and so you bought some technology that then does not fit the purpose? Same as buying a car, right? You wanted the sports car, because it looks cool.

    But you needed the station wagon to haul crap around.

    You can’t fit more like more than a hat in the trunk of a sports car.

    Right? What you really needed, right? It probably was a pickup truck.

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    And that’s a failure of requirements.

    There’s nothing wrong with the technology, right? The sports car is designed to be a sports car, the pickup is designed to be a pickup, what went wrong was the requirements gathering and said, I need to to look cool, okay.

    But I also need to haul, you know, half a ton of stone around every now and again, you’re not doing that in a sports car.

    And finally, horses measurement.

    Performance, is the technology the people in the processes you have doing what you intended, are you achieving your purpose? And again, this is something that marketers don’t measure well, and as a result, they don’t necessarily deliver very well on you got to do that.

    Right? You’ve got to be able to dig in and say, yes, we’ve met our goals, no, we’ve not met our goals, we are 60% of the way to our goals, and so on and so forth.

    So be very careful is my my watch would here be very, very careful with what you deem a technology problem because a lot of the cases it’s not a technology problem.

    Even though every tech vendor would like to convinced you that it is so that you buy their stuff.

    It 90 ish percent of the time is going to be a people problem or process problem.

    If you fix that.

    You may find that the technology you have can be coerced into doing what you want.

    Or at worst, you have a good solid business case for why you need to change technologies once you fully understand the scope of the problem you’re trying to address.

    So really good question.


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