In today’s episode, you’ll uncover the software and tools you need to navigate a world increasingly dominated by AI, while still maintaining your privacy. You’ll learn which popular applications and services to avoid and discover powerful open-source alternatives for office productivity, web analytics, marketing automation, and more. I’ll also share essential tips for securing your web browser, operating system, and data from AI-powered tracking and data collection. Tune in to empower yourself with the knowledge and tools to protect your digital footprint.
You Ask, I Answer: Avoiding Generative AI, Part 3: Software
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Christopher Penn: This is part three in our series on how to avoid generative AI altogether. My friend and colleague Mar asked, “How do we do this? How do we get rid of generative AI?”
It’s a weird question to answer because, normally, I’m saying the opposite. But we’ve covered legal stuff in part one. We covered infrastructure stuff in part two. Today, we’re going to cover software and tools in part three.
First, applications: things like Office software, Google Analytics, HubSpot, Salesforce—you name it. It’s not a surprise: literally everyone is putting generative AI everywhere they possibly can. People are treating it like Nutella, putting it everywhere, whether it’s a good idea or not.
To counteract that, you can’t use those services. You have to use other applications instead. If you’re using Microsoft Office, you need to use a tool like OpenOffice—the open-source product that does not have generative AI capabilities built into it. You run it locally, and, as we talked about in the previous episode, you run a system like Lulu that prohibits it from talking to the internet. Essentially, you block things on an app-by-app level in your operating system. You say, “You may not talk to the internet. You can’t go to the internet for any reason.” That will prevent it from sending data—intentionally or not—somewhere else.
If you’ve got a website, you can’t use Google Analytics, period, end of story. You can’t use anything Google. You want to use an open-source product like Matomo to do your web analytics. Again, take a look at the terms of service. There are plenty of other services. But, if you want to be sure that your data is not being used by AI, you have to own the software and the hardware that it’s running on.
Instead of HubSpot or other marketing automation services, the open-source product Mautic will do that. Again, you’ve got to administer the server. You’ve got to host it and own it yourself. But if you do, you know that data is not going anywhere else, because it’s yours.
For CRM, again, you can’t use a service like Salesforce, because Salesforce has their Einstein AI in it. You’ve got to use an open-source product like SuiteCRM, SugarCRM, etc. In general, SaaS (Software as a Service) companies and products and solutions in that space are going to be integrating AI. It’s a decent rule of thumb. You have to essentially avoid any form of SaaS software because, just because a vendor says today, “Oh, we’re not using AI in this,” they’re one acquisition away from saying, “Hey, look, we can monetize our data.” The only way to prevent that is to say, “We’re a no-SaaS shop. We use local applications only that are on our hardware that we control.”
For your web browser: can’t use Chrome. Can’t use Chrome derivatives. I would even avoid other commercial browsers. There are some browsers that are privacy-focused—like Brave, the Brave browser, or Firefox—that are very, very privacy-focused. Those are the ones to use. You want to use strict, open-source, ad-blocking software: something like uBlock Origin, that just says, “Nope, no ads. You may not run trackers. You may not collect data of any kind from me. You get nothing.”
In general, you want to use open-source software: software that you download and run that is not typically run by a company. You are allowed to adjust the source code. This comes with obligations: you have to check the licensing on the open-source software for what is not permitted. Just because it’s open-source doesn’t mean it’s private. You want to think about inspecting the code to see what data this code collects, and, “Do I want that?”
You will want to move to an open-source operating system for your devices. On your desktop: some variant of Linux. On your phone: a de-Googled Android that has any references, any code components, to AI removed. You can’t use iOS (Apple iPhone), because Apple is going to be releasing Apple intelligence in iOS 18. You can’t use the commercial versions of Android—the one that ships with most phones—because that’s going to have Google’s AI in it. But you can get the Android code itself and remove the AI components.
The last thing to do on the software front is to regularly monitor news and announcements from your vendors and service providers. Anytime you see an announcement from any vendor saying, “Hey, we’re in a new licensing agreement with Google, with OpenAI, with Anthropic…” you know that they’re just handing over data that those companies can use to build models.
With any vendor that you work with—and we talked about this in the legal section, in part one—any vendor you work with, you’ve got to be ironclad in your contracts: “No AI.” You will want to certainly monitor news announcements from vendors of the past. If there’s a vendor that still has your data, you need to be vigilant about checking the news to see if they’ve entered into any licensing agreements for content, because everyone who’s got content is trying to figure out how to monetize it with AI vendors and license their data sets, because AI companies are offering a lot of money. It’s really hard to say, “Nope, I don’t want money.” It’s very, very hard to say that.
So that’s part three. In the next part, we’re going to talk about marketing itself—the marketing practices and things. I will tell you upfront: marketing is going to get difficult if you want to completely avoid generative AI. But it is possible to some degree, so stay tuned for that.
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In today’s episode, you’ll learn about the crucial role of infrastructure and security in protecting your data from being used for AI training without your consent. You’ll discover the importance of hosting your website, email, and even social media on your own hardware or with trusted providers who prioritize data privacy. I’ll also dive into the importance of robust network security measures, including firewalls, VPNs, and tools like Lulu, to monitor and control data transmission. Tune in to gain practical strategies for securing your data and maintaining control over its use.
You Ask, I Answer: Avoiding Generative AI, Part 2: Infrastructure
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Christopher Penn: This is part two of how to avoid generative AI altogether. This is a five-part series. Today we’re going to talk about infrastructure and security.
Presumably, if you want to avoid generative AI entirely, you could just live in a cabin in the woods, off the grid and out of civilization. But that’s not realistic for a lot of people. So, what are the things that you can do as a business or as a person to reduce your exposure to generative AI?
When it comes to infrastructure, you’re going to need to provide it. Today, a lot of SaaS (Software as a Service) companies provide cloud-based options. You access them in a browser. Basically, you’re using somebody else’s computer. And when your date is on somebody else’s computer, they can—whether they’re permitted to or not—they can use your data with things like AI.
So, the precaution you have to take is, “How much of my infrastructure do I want to bring in-house to keep my data physically away from other people?” If you just don’t trust other people—and there’s good reason not to trust other people—you have to bring stuff in-house.
So what are those things?
Number one, your website. Who hosts it? What are the terms of service on it? How is it being protected?
You want to host your website on your own hardware, hardware that you control. You can host that at a co-location center, but that physical box is yours. No one else is allowed on it. It’s not managed. The co-location center has no access to it.
You want your website on your own hardware. You want your email services on your own server. You want a box somewhere that is running some form of Linux that is AI-free, running something like Postfix or another email service, so that you are providing your own email.
Because you can’t use—if you want to avoid generative AI—you can’t use Gmail, you can’t use Hotmail, you can’t use any of the web-based services. You’ve got to host and run your own email to keep that data out of other people’s hands.
If you want to use social media, you can’t use most social media. The terms of service—and again, we talked about that in yesterday’s episode—the terms of service on most cloud-based services allow them to use your data for AI.
One of the few social networks that does not is Mastodon, but you have to run the Mastodon node. You have to set it up, run it yourself, and protect it so that data does not leave your Mastodon node. Then you can invite your friends and colleagues to be on that node and say, “Hey, this is a no-AI node. Our data is not going to leave this node because we can’t trust where it’s going to go. You may not use data on this node for training AI.” You make that clear to your users. “You cannot use AI with this stuff.”
You will probably want to have a private cloud storage server somewhere as well: a physical server that has a big old hard disk that allows you to privately serve up your files. You can’t use something like Dropbox or another service like that because they all have the same terms of service that permit derivative works. As far as I know—I don’t think any of them carve out and say “we will not use data you store with us for training AI models.”
If that derivative works clause is in there—and again, remember, I’m not a lawyer, I can’t give legal advice—but if that derivative works clause is in there, it means that, legally, they can use your data for training AI.
So, private cloud storage: your server hosted in a data center somewhere that you maintain, that provides access to cloud storage.
On the networking side, you want robust protection. You want firewalls that block and knock away anybody that’s not supposed to be there—absolutely no ingress on your network. You want VPNs for you and your employees, again, to ensure that data transmission is secure in transit. Then nobody’s inspecting your data as it goes through their system. It’s tunneled through their systems.
There are some services that have double or triple tunneling, or tunneling with encryption. Whatever works best for you, and whatever you can afford, you’re going to want to do that.
You want tools—there’s a bunch of tools. There’s one for the Mac called Lulu, that allows you to inspect network traffic. When you turn this thing on, you have to essentially configure it app by app to say what that app is allowed to transmit. So if you have an app that’s supposedly local, that is not talking to the cloud somewhere, and you turn on Lulu, and Lulu says, “Hey, it looks like this app is trying to communicate out. Do you want to allow this?” you’d say, “Nope, not allowing it,” and prohibit that app from communicating with the outside world.
On your website, people say, “Block crawlers with robots.txt.” No, that does nothing. I mean, do it so that you have legal documentation— “Yeah, I put this in robots.txt to explicitly declare: AI crawlers not welcome here.” You want that in your content itself, saying, “AI crawlers not welcome here. You may not use my data to train AI.”
But if you really, really, really don’t want your data ending up in an AI model, it cannot be on the public web—at least not unprotected.
If you go on the dark web, there are plenty of websites where you have to enter a CAPTCHA just to get to the website. You can’t even see the website until you pass the passcode test at the front: “Drag the—tell you how many squares contain bicycles,” whatever. That is the only way to stop your data from ending up in AI models: to have none of it available publicly. Someone has to authenticate as human first.
A lot of websites have things like RSS feeds to make blog readers easier. An RSS feed is something that a crawler can find and extract data from, so you can’t have those. You can’t allow out RSS feeds.
Robots.txt does not stop a scraper that refuses to acknowledge it. If you write a scraper in a language like Python using Selenium or Requests or Scrapy, it’s an option as to whether it obeys robots.txt or not. You can say, “Nope,” and you write a scraper that just ignores that entirely. There’s no technical block to using that. That’s why you’ve got to put a wall around all your content and watermark the crap out of it—put a wall around your content so that scraper bots can’t get at it.
I know, for example, anytime that I publish a new blog post, I see versions of it on other websites. Some random Blogspot blogger is copying it because they’re scraping the RSS feed. It’s one of the reasons why I put so many ads in my RSS feed, so that people are scraping my ads and putting them all over the internet. But, if you don’t want that to happen, you can’t offer that. You’ve got to lock things down so that nothing is publicly visible. When any kind of scraper shows up, it immediately hits the CAPTCHA, and the CAPTCHA tells it, “See ya! Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you!”
So that’s part two on infrastructure and security: the things you need to do from an infrastructure perspective if you want to prevent your data from ending up in generative AI models, or people using your data to train their AI models.
In the next section, we’re going to talk about some software and tools, so stay tuned for that.
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In today’s episode, you’ll learn how to navigate the legal landscape to protect yourself and your content from being used to train AI models. You’ll discover the importance of carefully reviewing terms of service, specifically focusing on derivative works clauses. I’ll also guide you on the significance of retaining legal counsel, establishing clear contracts, and implementing stringent data privacy measures to safeguard your intellectual property. Tune in to gain valuable insights on how to navigate the evolving world of AI and protect your creative work.
You Ask, I Answer: Avoiding Generative AI, Part 1: Legal
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Christopher Penn: This week, we’re going to do a five-part series that answers a very interesting question by my friend and colleague Mar, who asks, “How do I avoid generative AI?” It’s a really interesting question. We’re going to look at things like legal stuff, infrastructure, software and tools, marketing—all without the use of AI—and a whole bunch of practices and things you can do. It’s five parts, come back to each part as you need, feel free to share them around.
Understand that as the technology continues to advance, it’s going to get harder to avoid. But it is still possible. You will need some level of technical sophistication to do so.
Part one is today. Let’s talk about legal stuff.
Number one—well, actually, we should start before anything else—I am not a lawyer. I cannot give legal advice. Please seek an attorney that is qualified and in your jurisdiction for legal advice specific to your situation.
So, when it comes to avoiding generative AI, there’s four things you need to do to make sure that generative AI is not impacting you substantially. Number one, for any service that you use as an individual, as a business, whatever, you need to check the terms of service with a fine-tooth comb.
Normally, I would say, “Use generative AI.” But in this case, we’re trying to avoid that. So, inspect the terms of service for one specific clause: derivative works. What is a service allowed to do with your data if they are allowed to use it for derivative works? The derivative works clause means that they can take your work and turn it into another work, like using your data to train an AI model.
Only use companies that either don’t have a derivative works clause, or they have a separate clause that specifically carves out AI and says, “We want—as long as this terms of service is in effect—we will not use your data to train AI models or share with vendors who train AI models.” That part’s important because a lot of companies do have subprocessors. Even if that company is not using AI on your data, a subprocessor or a subcontractor may be.
So, that’s number one: inspect those terms of service.
Number two, you should 100% retain legal counsel that can issue things like cease and desist orders or pursue infringement of intellectual property, especially if you clearly put on all your documents, on anything you publish, that you explicitly forbid the use of your data to train AI. Put that on every single thing you produce. Then, your legal counselor can issue a cease and desist; no one can claim, “I didn’t know I was supposed to.” It literally says in big letters on the bottom, “Explicitly forbidden from using with AI,” or whatever your lawyer or your attorney recommends as the appropriate language.
Number three, you absolutely, positively need to have a great attorney reviewing all of your contracts, upstream and downstream—so, suppliers and customers—and saying, “No AI usage. None.” You would require from a vendor, “No AI usage.” You would require from a partner or agency, “No AI usage.” You would require—you would tell a client, “Hey, we’re not using AI, and you may not use our work product for AI purposes.” You’ll have to negotiate with your clients as to whether or not that’s okay with them, but you would need to put that in the contracts themselves.
And number four is having very, very strict data privacy clauses in your contracts and in any legal paperwork. That’s an additional layer of protection. If you have strong data privacy, by default, you also have strong intellectual property enforcement. You’re saying, “Hey, this is what—our data can’t go to these places. We’re enacting privacy restrictions; the data can’t go to these places.”
Now, you do have to enforce all this stuff, and, again, you’re going to need a great lawyer to do that. But that’s the legal part of how you would reduce your exposure to generative AI.
In the next part, we’re going to look at infrastructure and security.
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What’s On My Mind: How To Use Generative AI To Understand Good Content
What constitutes good content? And can generative AI help us make it?
I’ve been thinking a lot about good content lately, about compelling content. What makes one thing worth paying attention to, and not another?
For example, you can’t go for more than two thumb swipes on any social network without someone complaining that reach is in the toilet, that engagement is down, that people aren’t paying attention. And yet, when you hit up the channels and accounts of the top tier content creators, or when you listen to system admins like Adam Mosseri of Instagram, they all say the same thing: there’s no economic incentive for content channels to throttle popular content. It makes no business sense to show people less of what they love. Taking away great content from people would reduce ad exposures, and that’s contrary to their business model.
That makes sense.
So why are people complaining about reduced reach? A good number of folks who are complaining are… just not creating content people want.
This is a familiar challenge for marketers. Most marketers know we’re creating stuff people don’t love. We’re creating – on a good day – mediocre content, not good content, not great content.
So how would we change this around? How do we build good content?
Part 1: What is Good Content, Anyway?
First we have to know what good content is. Quick, what is it? What are the common characteristics of good content, and how can we use generative AI to help?
A lot of people crap on generative AI for making bland, boring, generic content, and there’s validity to that criticism. Generative AI is very much like the mythical genie of fairy tales and legends. You get exactly what you ask of it. If you ask bland, boring questions – like, “What makes good content?” – you get bland, boring answers. It’s the nature of AI itself to return probabilities based on the questions we ask it. The more average the question, the more average the answer.
But that doesn’t answer the question of what good content is, does it? It just sort of shifts blame. So how do you define good content?
Here’s how a couple of folks talk about it. My friend Ann Handley:
“There are three keys to creating good, quality, engaging content… And the three keys are bigger, braver, and bolder, right? Bigger stories. Braver marketing or braver marketers as well. And bolder writing and bolder tone of voice.”
Or this quip from Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in 1964 in Jacobellis v. Ohio:
“I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it…”
While that’s Justice Stewart’s definition of obscenity, you could make the case that’s the definition of good content as well. Good content is content we like, content we enjoy, content we’re compelled to consume, whether it’s celebrities suffering eating increasingly hot wings or investigative journalism answering obscure questions like the hardest nightclub to get into in the world.
And therein lies one of the greatest challenges of good content. It varies from person to person.
Part 2: Good Content is Good Storytelling
Okay, so if good content is an individual choice, how are we supposed to create it at scale? There are some fundamental truths to good content. One of those truths is that good content is often a good story.
Invariably, good content tells a story, because we’re adapted well to consume stories. Millennia before the printing press, we were sitting around campfires telling stories. What to eat, what not to eat, why Bob isn’t around the campfire because he got mauled by a bear… we’ve learned through millennia to capture the information we need to share in a story.
Here’s one of the challenges of storytelling. Besides the infinite number of ways there are to tell a story, our audience has specific kinds of stories that resonate with them best. If we want to be effective in our storytelling, in our content creation efforts, we need to align our content with what our audience finds most compelling.
How do you do that? This is an area generative AI can’t help you with, but a real audience can. With your existing audience, ask them a simple question: what shows do you enjoy, especially long form content like podcasts?
This is a critical question because the marketplace has already produced good content. The audience has already decided for themselves what is good and what isn’t, especially for content people consume outside of work. We don’t need to define what good content is – and in aggregate, we can’t anyway. But we can absolutely get a sense from our audience of the content they already appreciate.
Once you have some answers from your audience, we can put generative AI to work in a way that we really can’t. Here’s why.
Stewart’s definition encapsulates a really important concept. Language itself is a form of code, a way to take very deep concepts and shorten them. Think about how much data is encoded in the word apple or daughter or sushi. There’s two challenges with language like this. First, the language is so compact that we have to fill in a lot of the blanks ourselves.
What kind of apple? Fuji? Granny Smith? The computer company? There’s a lot of concepts packed into that one word.
Second, almost every word is relative to our experiences. I love sushi. You may hate sushi. And there are so many kinds of sushi that my association of the word may bring up a very specific kind of sushi as a mental concept, and that is guaranteed to be different in someone else’s head.
For example, I might have a certain mental and emotional association with even a simple word like mother. Some people have strong positive associations with it. Others have strong negative associations. When we use that term, we may be invoking wildly different associations in people’s heads.
Because of this, we have a very hard time putting into words why we like something. We know when we like it. We know when we don’t like it. But we generally struggle to explain it in a complete and comprehensive way, partly because of how much language we need to encapsulate it, and partly because we have our own emotional associations that can color our perceptions.
That’s what Justice Stewart was talking about 60 years ago in his ruling. We know it when we see it, not because we don’t have the words to describe it, but because the sheer amount of language we’d need to surround the concept would be greater than an army of ants surrounding a slice of watermelon.
Part 3: Generative AI Understands Good Content If We Tell It To
Generative AI models don’t have these problems. They have a nearly infinite vocabulary, and because they’re not sentient, self aware, or emotionally intelligent, they don’t have the loaded associations that you or I might have as individuals. That same averageness that causes them to generate bland content with poor prompts becomes an advantage when we need to find words to describe something.
Let’s put this to practical use. Suppose we learn from our audience that they really love shows like Freakonomics or Search Engine. That alone is helpful information, information that could go in something like an ideal customer profile. But what if we could understand the meta-structure of these shows, to see how they’re formatted and structured to be compelling?
We absolutely can. Today’s generative AI models like GPT-4-omni, Claude Sonnet 3.5, and Google Gemini can all accept things like audio and video files as inputs. Instead of trying to describe good content ourselves, what if we could have a generative model consume some of our audience’s favorite shows and help us understand the practices these specific shows use to create good content?
In other words, we take the final dish and we reverse engineer the recipe using generative AI. If we can understand the recipe, then we can take the recipe’s concepts and apply it to our own content, converting it from good to better.
Let’s step through the basic process. The video edition of this newsletter shows each step in action, should you want to see it. First, using the Trust Insights PARE AI Framework, I prompt the model to spit out everything it thinks it knows about great storytelling. This step helps us diagnose whether the model even knows what it’s talking about or not. It also serves to build an insanely rich prompt for future questions because every subsequent prompt in a conversation is composed of the entire conversation to that point.
Once we have a solid base of knowledge for what good storytelling is, by adjusting the model’s output if necessary, we need to show, not tell the model what good storytelling is. We need, as Justice Stewart said, to help the model know it when it sees it. Once we’ve loaded a few episodes, we ask the model to analyze the structure of the shows. How do they do what they do? What are the strategies, tactics, and ways they implement their practices?
We next ask the model to build us a scoring rubric, a way for us to analyze our own content against the best practices that the model observed from what we know to be good content. This scoring rubric accomplishes two things. First, it helps the model be more granular about how it assesses and analyzes content. Second, it helps us, the humans, better understand the criteria for content we create.
Finally, once we’ve built the informational infrastructure for understanding compelling storytelling in a very specific format, we can take that as a template and have generative AI examine our existing content and reformat it, apply these best practices to it. It’s important to note here that we want to apply the structure and the concepts of our best practices content, not replicate the content itself.
Depending on the level of control you want to have over the final output, you could direct generative AI to rewrite your content to adhere to the general best practices, or simply produce an outline that you can then manually reorder your content with.
Conceptually, imagine you had a country song, and you knew what made a great rock song. You’d apply the principles of rock to your song, but it would still be your song. This is critical – if you want this technique to work well but you don’t want to lose your own voice and unique style, you have to bring your own first draft to the party. Don’t have AI build it – you build the country song, then have it make the rock song from it.
And if you want to turn the dial to 11, you could also incorporate your ideal customer profile in at this stage as well, to have the model critique not only your storytelling skills but also how well aligned the content itself is to what your audience cares about.
Part 4: Let AI Help You Make Good Content
So, let’s wrap up. There is no such thing as good content in aggregate, any more than there’s such as thing as the average person. There is content your specific audience appreciates.
There are thus no best practices to create good content for the average audience member, but patterns we can learn from other content our audience already appreciates.
We use generative AI to identify these patterns, distill them down into concepts we apply to our own content, to better make it fit what our audience appreciates – but we do so with an eye towards maintaining our voice and originality, just putting the content in a more appealing format.
And when we do so, when we apply the structures and practices our audiences appreciate to our existing content, we’ll make something they specifically like better.
The road to good content has been paved by the marketplace as a whole. We just need the sense and the tools to see what’s been done and travel down that road with our own content.
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In the fifth and final part of my interview with Stephanie Moore, we explore the future of AI in public relations and the crucial role of education and adaptation. You’ll gain valuable perspectives on fostering innovation, building successful partnerships between academia and the industry, and staying ahead of the rapidly evolving AI landscape. Discover the potential impact of AI on the PR job market and gain insights into the skills future PR professionals need to thrive. Watch now to prepare yourself for the exciting and transformative future of AI in public relations!
You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 5 of 5
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Christopher Penn: In today’s episode—this is the last part, part five of five, of an interview I did with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University about generative AI in public relations.
Stephanie Moore: Okay, so, in terms of encouraging that discovery and innovation, what strategies can educators and practitioners use to foster an environment of discovery and innovation?
Christopher Penn: Talk to your stakeholders first, the people who are in charge. Show them, “Here’s how this will save time, save money, or make money.” And if those are important to your stakeholders, they’ll go, “We want that. How much is it going to cost me? How soon can you get started?” Right? If you can get two out of three, people are on board. And then there is leadership mandate. “This is what we’re going to do. We have to do this, or we’re going to get left behind.”
For individuals, again, how—what you—you know, the way I tell people, “Here’s how you identify an AI use case in an organization.” One of the things you do—make you go, “I know”—that’s your AI use case. If you can figure out how to get AI to make you not have to do that as much every week, you will find AI an incredible companion because you’ve, like, “Hey, you handle this product. I don’t like doing my expense reports. I don’t like doing this client report. I don’t want to write that meeting summary.” Great. Get a machine to do it.
Stephanie Moore: Great, good advice. Any—any examples of successful partnerships or collaborative projects? And, again, I’m thinking in terms of academia and the industry. I don’t know if anything—
Christopher Penn: Yeah. I mean, we do things like workshops and trainings frequently. I do half- and full-day workshops where we show people, and then there’s hands-on labs, like, “By the time you leave here, you will have this.” So, when I was doing a recent thing at an architecture conference, and by the time people left, they had their own go/no-go, programmatic AI application, that will let them decide—
Christopher Penn: —that—you know—”should I even bid on this proposal or not?” They drop the proposal in, and it comes up with the score, says “yes” or “no.” You know, “Bid on this, you don’t bid on this. This—you know—it’s a good fit; it’s going to be a waste of your time.” The fact that people can get to that point in a six-hour workshop is amazing to them because they’re like, “I’m going to save so much time. I’m going to stop sending out proposals to half the companies that are no longer a good fit. My boss is going to love it,” and stuff like that.
So, that kind of—you know—collaborative teaching is so important. People have got to get hands-on time. And there’s a whole linear progression of—you know—starting with basic prompts, prompt structure, the 22 different styles of prompting and stuff, and you just teach them all these things until—and then work—you work—walk them through use cases. “Okay, tell me what you’re working on. Let me show you how we can infuse AI into part of that, if not the whole thing.”
Stephanie Moore: Excellent. A lot of use with podcast editing in my classes, so we’ll be playing with that.
Christopher Penn: Oh, yeah, it’s phenomenal for podcast editing and even excerpts. You give it a—you give it a closed-caption—the SRT file—and you say, “Identify the most impactful 30 seconds in this—in this episode. Tell me the timestamps,” and then you know how to edit right there.
Stephanie Moore: Perfect. All right. So, how do you stay current? And, or, how would you recommend—or advice you’d give—for someone to stay current on—on an industry that is moving this fast?
Christopher Penn: It depends on your purposes and goals, right? So, I—my job—my job to stay current involves reading, like, hundreds and hundreds of articles and social posts and academic papers. And, of course, I—
Christopher Penn: —use AI to summarize a lot of them so that I can get through them quickly. But that is because I need to know how the tools work under the hood. Most people don’t need that. So, staying current is more about joining communities of like-minded folks and sharing practices, sharing what’s working, trading stuff, to the extent that you’re permitted to.
Stephanie Moore: Excellent. Okay. We’re breezing right through this. And then now, we have to pull out our crystal ball, which—you know—this—this is always coming. This is a question that we always ask. But, what trends—what future trends do you foresee in the intersection of AI and PR?
Christopher Penn: Either the public relations industry adopts AI well and thoroughly, or it goes out of business because it is so good. These tools are so proficient that you look at what an agency does, for example—you know—what the work output you’re getting from an agency, and you look at what AI can do, and you’re like, “Why am I paying 20,000,30,000 a month for something that a skilled employee with Google Gemini or ChatGPT can do for—”
Leanne Rand: —100 bucks a month.
Stephanie Moore: But there still needs to be the human element, right? I mean, you always need to be human to—to prompt it.
Christopher Penn: Yeah, it is. Yes, but you could do that. I foresee a lot of bringing things in-house, and a lot of agencies very much struggling to—to earn clients because the work that they do—a company will say, “Well, I can get AI to do that, and it’s going to be 70% of the quality. I’m okay with that because it’s—it’s 5% of the cost.”
Stephanie Moore: So, how do we, as educators in academia, how do we adapt to these trends to better prepare our students for future challenges and opportunities in this area?
Christopher Penn: They better know how to use AI. They better be very, very skilled at it. I have seen some really boneheaded things by some schools—you know—banning the use, prohibiting the use of it, like, that is so stupid. It’s like banning the use of calculators. Good luck getting your graduates hired. It is a necessary skill. And that same Work Trend Index report says that you need to use AI to prepare your students for support. Sixty-six percent of senior leaders said they would not make a hire of someone if they did not have AI skills, and 71% they would prefer a more junior person with AI skills over a more experienced person without.
Stephanie Moore: That’s excellent. I was going to ask that question: if you’ve—if you’ve observed a shift in the type of work that the PR—or graduates are getting—as a result of AI, and that answers that.
Christopher Penn: Here’s the biggest challenge graduates are going to face—and I need to wrap up very quickly.
Stephanie Moore: Very soon.
Christopher Penn: All the tasks that entry-level workers do, machines do better. And so, one of the biggest challenges that—that PR is going to face—every industry is going to face—is, how do you better prepare the entry-level workers to have jobs if there are jobs? And how are you going to deal with the staffing crisis you’re going to have in 10 years when there’s no bench for managers, directors, and VPs because those people aren’t employed by you, and they never grew up in your organization? When you trim away 80% of your entry-level staff, by definition, you’re trimming away 80% of the people who will eventually become executives.
Stephanie Moore: Okay. Well, in the interest of time, I have one final question. Anything else that you would like to add that we haven’t covered?
Christopher Penn: The big, uncomfortable message is for—and this is something I was having a chat with the CEO of a PR agency, literally yesterday, is he has a reputation for not being as technologically current as, maybe, it’s advertising compatriots. That has to change or the industry, as a whole, diminishes to a point where there’s not a lot of opportunity. And so, if the industry wants to thrive, it needs to get on board quickly because it is a language-based industry. And language models and language-based tools are exceptionally capable and are getting better by the day.
Previously, two years ago, what ChatGPT came out with was kind of dumb, right? It was not the world’s smartest application. People looked at it going, “Ha-ha, AI is never gonna replace us.” Today, it is better than your average employee by a substantial margin. Not better than the best people, but there are very few best people. It is better than the average person, and there’s a lot of average people, by definition. And that is only getting better and better and better with every iteration.
These models upgrade every four months. Are you improving your skills by leaps and bounds every four months? If you’re not, machines are going to consume more and more of the tasks that you do.
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In part four of my five-part interview with Stephanie Moore, you’ll gain practical insights into ensuring the responsible and ethical use of AI in your public relations work. Discover the importance of fostering a company culture that prioritizes ethics and learn effective strategies for disclosing AI use to clients without fear of negative repercussions. We’ll also explore how to train your team effectively, emphasizing the value of comprehensive prompt engineering and a continuous learning approach. Tune in to learn how to confidently integrate AI into your PR workflow and elevate your team’s capabilities.
You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 4 of 5
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Christopher Penn: In this episode—this is part four of five of an interview I did with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University about generative AI in public relations.
Stephanie Moore: Makes sense. Kind of in that vein then, what best practices do you follow to ensure the responsible and ethical use of AI? And then maybe you can talk a little bit more about how you disclose the use of AI with your clients. I know you do that because I actually see in your newsletter, you have disclaimers.
Christopher Penn: Yes. So, “responsible use of AI” is kind of a meaningless fluff term. “Ethical use of AI,” again, that goes to—if you want AI to be used ethically, make sure that ethical people are using it. So, try to avoid hiring jerks.
But also, your corporate culture has to be one in which you prioritize high-quality results.
Stephanie Moore: Right.
Christopher Penn: The ugly truth is, most agencies do not. Most agencies prioritize meeting client deadlines, getting things done as efficiently as they can because you’re working 80 hours for a 40-hour paycheck, and client demands are never-ending. And clients have—and, to some degree, understandably—they don’t care what your priorities are. They think that they are the number-one priority all the time.
And so, if you operate in a “my-hair-is-always-on-fire” methodology, then you will make ethically questionable choices. And so, part of ethics is having leadership and client policies and things that say, “We believe in ethics. We believe in doing as little harm as possible. We believe in things like the truth, and we will enforce that with our clients.” And you empower a team member to say to the client, “Nope, you’re not going to get that today, and you’re probably not going to get it tomorrow either. Sorry.”
Or you say, “Oh, you can have that today, but I’m going to add a $40,000 charge on your bill. Do you want to proceed? Yes or no?” And that typically helps to—do some of that.
So, that’s how you ensure ethical anything: is giving people the ability to say no to things. If people don’t feel like they can say no, they’re not going to make ethical choices.
In terms of the disclosure of ethics, of AI—so, there’s two things to keep in mind here. Number one, in some parts of the world, it’s required now, like the EU. You must disclose the use of AI.
Number two, in a study from MIT Sloan last fall, they did a test. They showed content to three groups of people. The first group was just told, “You’re going to rate this content.” They were not told who made it. The second group of people was told, “You’re going to be rating this content. Some of it was made by AI. Some of it was not. You will rate it, but you know that some of it’s machine-made.” The third group of people was told, “You’re going to rate this content. Some of it’s made by AI. Some of it’s not. Each piece of content will contain a disclosure of who made it.”
When consumers consumed the content unlabeled, they preferred AI content over human-led content. When they were told that humans were involved, they boosted human scores, but they did not penalize AI.
And so, one of the key messages from that study is it’s okay to disclose that you’re using AI. You will not incur reputational harm from disclosing that something was machine-made.
How you do it is pretty simple: like, “Hey, this piece here was made by AI.” And it’s important to disclose not just that you use AI but what part of the content was made by AI, or how it was used because we go back to copyright. If I have an AI-generated image on my blog post, but I wrote the human blog post, and I just say “I used AI,” the logical assumption would be that the entire post is made by AI, and therefore someone else can copy it because it’s in the public domain. And then you have to go through a whole lawsuit of trying to enforce your copyright.
If you disclose, “The header image was made by AI, but I wrote this blog post,” you are reasserting your copyright over the portions that are human-led. And therefore, in that disclosure, if someone then copies your blog post, you retain your rights, and you can go sue them for infringing on your copyrights.
So, disclosure is just as much about protecting you as it is helping the end consumer.
Stephanie Moore: Great. That’s great advice. Okay. All right. Moving on. Let’s talk about some pedagogical approaches in terms of teaching AI. So, how do you train your team about how to use AI for strategies and tactics?
Christopher Penn: The biggest thing we do is we have a shared prompt library. And we, basically, you know—it’s, obviously, very, very proprietary—but we have, essentially, a code database because prompts are code. They’re just code written in plain language. And people can pick them up, adjust them, tune them to their specific use cases, or generate new ones.
We also teach people our methodologies. They’re on our website. You can download the PDFs for free of the basic methodology. And then there are advanced methodologies that we, obviously, keep to ourselves. But, say, “Here’s how you develop this set of outcomes based on what you wanted to do.”
A big part of it is helping people understand the principles behind how these machines work and the structure of getting to the output you want. And my co-founder and CEO, Katie Robbert, talks about this a lot: really skillful prompting and use of AI looks an awful lot like good management of people. If you are good at giving direction and delegating and giving measurable outcomes, you will be good at prompting. You just treat it like a junior employee, and you work with it in exactly the same way.
If you’re a bad manager of people, you’re also going to be bad at AI because you’re going to get frustrated. You’re going to give it incredibly short directions. To give you a sense, a prompt in generative AI today, in Google’s Gemini, it can be as long as 2 million tokens. Two million tokens is 1.5 million words. That is two copies of Shakespeare. Two of these can go in a prompt.
So, these people sharing their, “My ultimate ChatGPT prompt,” that’s a paragraph long—like, no. That’s like saying, “Here’s my secret cookbook, and every recipe is one paragraph.” Yeah, you’re not cooking anything with that except your shoe leather. Whereas, if you look at a proper recipe in a cookbook, it’s at least a page, if not two pages, long.
That’s a good benchmark for how long your prompts should be. And we tell people as part of training, if—
Christopher Penn: —your prompts—it depends on the task—but, generally speaking, your prompts should be at least a couple of pages long. Most of my day-to-day prompts that I use are four to six pages long.
Stephanie Moore: Great. So that’s—it reminds me of the “garbage in, garbage out,” right? More context, the better. So, um, any specific challenges that you have with people learning about AI use—
Christopher Penn: —within our organization, it’s—it’s helping people focus and not get overwhelmed because there’s so many tools, toys and tools and gadgets and things that you can play with and stuff like that. That’s a big part, in our organization. Generally, when working and training others—because I do a lot of keynotes, I do a lot of workshops and things—is getting people to think like programmers. Getting them to think in the way that—you know—”how do you skillfully give instructions?” can be a very, very challenging thing to do. Also, getting—
Christopher Penn: —people to overcome their resistance to trying the technology because they have, in many cases, a preformed opinion of the technology, good or bad. And if they’ve had any experience, it’s been novice-level experience, where they have not seen the use cases that make them go, “Holy crap, I want that.”
I’ll give you an example. I was working in the PR department of one of my clients, and they’re like, “Oh, yeah, we’ve used AI a little bit, but it didn’t do such a great job.” I said, “Okay, well, let me show you this.” I—we took a blog post and fed it into a very long, programmatic prompt. And it said, “Okay, you’re going to come up with six pitch ideas for local news outlets.” And it gave a list of the news outlets and the coverage and the types of things they wanted. And it generated some great pitch ideas, like, “This is really incredible.” Like, their eyes were open, and they said, “I understand the technology because I could see the benefit.”
I’ll give you another example. I was going to pitch this one reporter with—relatively recent. And I said, “I want to pitch this reporter.” It was to query something that they won’t have to work very hard with. But I want—
Christopher Penn: —to, obviously, say the things I want. So, I grabbed the reporter’s last 20 articles they wrote about, and I told the generative model, “Learn this reporter’s writing style down to the letter.” And it said, “Here’s my—here’s my pitch. Rewrite my pitch in the reporter’s writing style as if the reporter wrote in it,” reformatted and stuff like that. And I said, “Here, there you go.” And the poor—is like, “This is great. I don’t have to do any editing.” Like, “No, you don’t, because the model did it for you.”
Stephanie Moore: Wow, that’s brilliant. These are great ideas, too, for the classroom. So, thank you. All right, so I’m kind of moving on then from learning. How do you assess the effectiveness of using these tools in meeting communications goals?
Christopher Penn: What are the goals? That’s right. Save money, make money. If you do one of those three things, you’re doing a great job.
Stephanie Moore: Okay. And you kind of already shared examples of that. How about assessing your team’s understanding or proficiency in using AI for strategies and tactics?
Christopher Penn: We don’t have a formal process for that. We have, on the team, as overused a term as it is, we have a continuous learning process. You know, every time someone on the team is like, “How do I do this?” we’ll talk it through and say, “Okay, here’s how you do it.” And then if the person has a good prompt or they have, “Hey, like, this prompt didn’t work to what I thought it would do,” and we troubleshoot it. We troubleshoot, you know, live, or in team meetings. We have multiple get-togethers throughout the week with folks to say, like, “How are you—you know—how are you getting on? What are you stuck on? What things do you need some additional assistance on?”
A really good example that is, we do a lot of—you know, as everyone does—proposals and scopes of work. We have a standard proposal template. We have a standard master services agreement. And so, one of the things that I showed our sales team how to do is, like, “Here’s the call transcript from your last input call, how—here’s—you tell the model, ‘Here’s the scope template, here’s the MSA, here’s the call transcript, write scope, but,’ and—you know—there’s a list of, like, 20 rules, ‘these are the rules for this scope.’” And proposal and scope writing went from taking six to eight hours to, like, 15 minutes—15 minutes for them. From the time a sales call is—input call is done to the time the proposal is going out the door is so much shorter now. It’s great.
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In today’s episode, we tackle the challenges and ethical dilemmas of integrating AI into public relations in part three of my five-part interview with Stephanie Moore. You’ll discover the critical importance of understanding how AI works, its limitations, and how to mitigate potential issues like hallucinations. We’ll delve into the complex world of AI ethics, exploring the nuances of legal considerations, deontology, and consequentialism, and how these concepts apply to the responsible use of AI in PR. Watch now to gain a nuanced perspective on navigating the ethical landscape of AI in the world of public relations!
You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 3 of 5
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Christopher Penn: In today’s episode—this is part three of five of an interview I did with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University about generative AI in public relations.
Stephanie Moore: Oh, that’s great. Great examples. Okay, good. All right. So, we talked about the benefits. Now, let’s go on to the challenges and limitations. So, what are the main challenges faced by PR professionals, communications professionals, when integrating AI into practice?
Christopher Penn: Knowing how to use the thing. Language models are good at language. Ergo, they should be handed the language tasks.
Non-language tasks should not be handed to language models, like math. They’re not particularly good at math—and neither are PR people—but language models, in particular, they can’t count, right? Because that’s not the way the architecture under the hood works. And a lot of people—this is not just PR people, but a lot of people—do not understand the mechanics of how these, these tools actually work under the hood. And, therefore, they kind of assume that either they’re—they’re—they’re people, on the one hand, say, “It’s just autocomplete,” which is not true. Or, on the other hand, they say, “It’s mad—it’s magic,” which is also not true.
That—that is the primary limitation and challenge that everybody—including PR professionals—faces with AI: not knowing how the technology works, not knowing what its limitations are, not knowing what a hallucination is, and how you reduce the likelihood of that happening, or which tools you use.
There’s a great tool from Google called NotebookLM that is as close to zero hallucination as you can get because it will only read the data you provide it. So, it doesn’t know a thing. You give it data, and you say, “Tell me what’s in here.”
So, not to get too political, but there’s this one document that people have been talking about in the US presidential election that is put out by one of these parties. It’s a 900-page document. I wanted to see what is being said in this document from the source itself, not relying on existing coverage and other people’s opinions. So, I put it in NotebookLM, and I asked it a series of questions. And I said, “What does this document say about this?” And it spits back, “On this page and this citation, right here, is what it says.” And I look at it, I go, “Wow, people weren’t—weren’t lying, like this thing is scary as hell.” But it returned truthful, cited, grounded data.
So that’s—you know—another aspect of this there. And there are, of course, you know—one of the big issues that PR firms, particularly, need to be thinking about is, from a legal perspective, when a machine creates something, it does not have copyright. This is true in all but five countries on the planet.
There was a case in the United States called Naruto v. Slater, in which a chimpanzee took a selfie. And the photographer went to court—it was a court case against PETA—and the court ruled, “Well, the chimp took the photo, not you. Therefore, the chimp did the work. Therefore, the chimp would technically hold the copyright, but chimps can’t hold copyright. Therefore, the photo is in the public domain because there is no copyright.”
That ruling has been extended to anything machine-created, which is good, and it should stay that way. But knowing that means that if you’re publishing something on behalf of a client and you’ve used machines to generate it fully—meaning you didn’t derive it from an existing work—then there is no copyright on that. And if your agency claw—if your agency contract has a line in it saying you assign copyright to the client, you are technically in breach of contract because you can’t assign copyright to something that is copyrightable.
Stephanie Moore: That is so important. Okay, good. So, we talked a little bit about the legal concerns. What are some—what are some key ethical concerns related to using AI?
Christopher Penn: What do you define as ethics?
Stephanie Moore: That’s a great question. Well, I suppose you can look at the codes of ethics within the field. You talked a little bit about billing, you know, in terms of—there, I’m sure that there are some ethical implications associated with that and how you bill clients if—if you use a tool such as this and then take the work and pass it off on your—as your own. I mean, those are ethical implications. So, I see a lot of different ethical concerns.
Christopher Penn: Those are not AI ethics, though. Those are human ethics. Those are human—those are human failings. Like, if you’re lying, you’re lying. A machine can help you lie better, but you’re still lying. There are three areas here, right? So, there’s legal, right? You’re—what you’re required to do by law. In the EU, for example, they just passed the EU AI Act, which, if you’re familiar with GDPR, is probably going to be the gold standard for AI legislation around the world. There’s a bunch of provisions in that, but you have to comply with the law. There’s—there’s no getting around that.
In ethics itself, there’s two branches of ethics, right? There’s deontology and consequentialism. Deontology says ethics is the rules of the—rules of the—rules are inherently good. If you follow the rules, you are good. If you don’t follow the rules, you are bad. Consequentialism says the rules vary based on the situation. What matters is the outcome. If you’re doing more harm than good, you’re bad. If you’re doing more good than harm, you’re good. And so, these are the two major branches.
In AI, when it comes to the use of AI itself, all the tech companies, by default, have had to go consequentialist: let’s avoid doing harm. Partly because you can’t anticipate every possible situation, but also because deontology is inherently based in moral code.
Christopher Penn: And so, if you are a Jew, you have a certain moral code. If you’re a Muslim, you have a certain moral code. If you’re a Buddhist, you have a certain moral code. They’re all different. Which one’s right? We’ve been fighting wars for centuries—millennia—about who’s right, and there’s no answer. So, you can’t build a general-purpose AI tool on deontological technological principles. It has to be consequentialist.
And so, when it comes to AI ethics, then it is “how can—how can we help these models?” This is something that’s baked into every single—while be helpful, harmless, and truthful. Now, the companies, when they build these tools, they heavily weighted towards harmless because that’s what you can get sued for. Like, “Oh, this tool told me how to kill myself.” Like, “Okay, let’s—say it doesn’t—we’re gonna say it won’t allow you to do that.” So, it will sacrifice helpful, and it will sacrifice truthful to be harmless. If harmless is off the table, it will prioritize helpful over truthful. That’s how you get hallucinations.
Hallucinations are, essentially, when—if you think about the models, knowledge is a library. Some models are really big, really big libraries; some models are really small libraries. And the model tries to go into the library and pull a book off the shelf that answers your question—wants to be helpful—but it may not have the exact book you’re looking for. So, you say, “I want The Joy of Cooking.” The model goes into the library, says, “Don’t see that. I’ll grab the closest one here. This is The Joy of Sex. That’s what you wanted, right?” Like, “No, they’re not the same at all.” “Well, it’s close. It’s close.” That’s how hallucinations happen.
And so, helpful, harmless, truthful is a general good rubric for consequentialism, but it has tradeoffs. And those tradeoffs are it’s going to be harmless first, it’s going to be helpful next, and it’ll be truthful last.
That, obviously, has bigger implications on things like the media landscape because “truthful,” depending on your political persuasion, may or may not be really important, right? Depending on whether you get paid as a journalist on page views and clicks. We have a capitalist ecosystem that prioritizes performance. And so, as a journalist, you will say things that may—depending on your publication and your own personal ethics—may or may not be true, just so that you can get a paycheck. Again, these are not AI problems. These are human problems.
However, AI is an amplifier. This is—I’m going to paraphrase from Captain America—it takes the good and makes it great. It takes the bad and makes it worse. It makes everything more of itself. It’s like salt, right? You put it on a food, makes it taste more like the food. And as a result, if you are—if you—if AI is in the hands of someone who is ethically problematic, it’s going to make them worse.
Stephanie Moore: It makes sense.
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In today’s episode, you’ll continue the exploration of generative AI in public relations with part two of my five-part interview with Stephanie Moore. You’ll discover the significant benefits of incorporating AI into your PR workflow, including how it can drastically save time and even unlock new revenue streams. Learn practical examples of how AI can elevate your PR game and gain insights on using AI for data analysis and audience targeting. Watch now to equip yourself with the knowledge to stay ahead in the evolving world of PR!
You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 2 of 5
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Christopher Penn: In this episode—this is part two of five of an interview I did with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University about generative AI in public relations.
Stephanie Moore: Excellent. So, how has the incorporation of AI tools affected the risk, the roles, and the responsibilities of your team members?
Christopher Penn: At our firm, everyone is expected to use AI. Everyone is expected to find as many efficiencies as possible and be as productive as possible because our model is value-based. The way we build things, the way we do projects, and things is all value-based because you’re not paying for how long it takes me to do something—you’re paying for the final outcome. As a result, we want people to use AI as much as they possibly can, still fact-check it, still make sure that the output is good. In the same way, the way we think of AI is this: it is the world’s smartest intern.
Right? This intern just graduated. They have 255 PhDs—they’ve got a PhD in everything—but they’re still an intern. They still don’t know your company. They don’t know your clients. They still know how you do things. So, you would never say to an intern, “Oh, intern, hey, go write me a press release.” Never do that. You would give the intern a creative brief, say, “Here’s what I want you to do. Follow these steps exactly.” The intern does it great. You’ve got a high-quality output. The same thing is true for AI. If you think of it as the world’s smartest intern, you will get really great results out of it. That’s what we teach our staff.
Stephanie Moore: That’s awesome. So you kind of already got at this a little bit, but in terms of the benefits, what do you think are the most significant benefits of using AI in the field?
Christopher Penn: So, all technologies are measured on three factors: save time, save money, make money. AI saves enormous amounts of time. So, the difference between a 66-hour book pitch or one minute and 52-second book pitch—and the outputs are about the same quality—is a massive time savings. Most PR agencies—this is actually a very serious problem for many PR agencies—most PR agencies bill by the hour. They have an agency blended rate, like, our agency blender, it’s 182 an hour. Well, Gemini did the task in5 and 66 minutes of work. It’s $5.66 of work. So, your bill rate as an agency, your ability to make revenue if you’re billing by the hour is severely endangered by AI.
You must switch to value-based billing immediately. However—yeah—for companies that do figure that out, they can save money. Some of them will be very regressive and say, “Okay, let’s fire as many people as we possibly can.” PR firms that are, say, managed by—oh, I don’t know—private equity firms will be firing people as fast as they possibly can because that’s how you increase profit margins, and all those firms run on net margin.
And then “make money” is—this is the thing that, again, PR folks don’t realize the power of these tools. They are—the AI tools—are skill levelers, meaning that they give you skills you don’t have. So, Suno, for example, the audio company, can make songs—it can make halfway decent songs. I have made custom songs for clients, live on stage, and they’ve been stunned by it. I can’t play music. I don’t play any instruments. You don’t want to hear me sing.
The tool can do it. I know how to prompt the tool to create high-quality outputs. So, anything that is within the domain of communications at all is on the table for a skillful PR firm to say, “Well, we offer that too. Hey, you want analyst relations? Hey, we offer that too, because we have an AI model that can skillfully ingest all these things. Hey, you want corporate strategy? We have that too.”
I was showing an example earlier today to—a talk I was giving where I took all of the job listings of Novartis, the pharmaceutical company, and all the job listings of Pfizer. And I said to a language model, “Digest this down—there’s 4,000 job listings—tell me the corporate strategy for each of these companies for the next 12 to 18 months,” because you never hire for something you don’t care about. You only hire things that are critical to your mission. Otherwise, you find an agency or a contractor. And the tool put together a 20-page business strategic business analysis that is as good of quality as
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anything you would get out of McKinsey or Bain. And your firm could offer that. Your firm could offer that as a value-add to your services. So, it’s a question of, do you know what to ask the tools? Do you know how to think, not like a PR person, but like a communicator and a strategist? And then can you get the tools to do it?
Stephanie Moore: Love that. I think that’s great. That also gives me some ideas for—again—prompt engineering to teach our students. So—a little bit. So, you kind of talked about the effectiveness and the efficiency, sort of, in the public relations field. What about—what type of advantages does AI offer in terms of data analytics, or data analysis and audience targeting?
Christopher Penn: It depends on the kind of AI you’re talking about. There are three different classes. There’s regression-based AI, which is like, hey, do uplift modeling. This is, for example, how you measure public relations. You say, “I have all this background activity in, ads, running emails, and I have the data from that in my various marketing systems. And hey, we got a placement in The Wall Street Journal on this date, and we know these things have a decay rating of about three days. Do uplift modeling, find out how much of the delta between what was before, during, and after we can attribute to that accounting for everything else.” So, that’s a very—that form of modeling has been around for eight years now. We were doing that at my old shop.
This classification modeling, which is, “Hey, I’ve got a great big pile of data, and I need to organize—I need to analyze it.” Social media sentiment analysis, for example, is very, very common for that. That is something that you would want to see people using when it comes to data analysis.
Where generative AI comes into play is that it is extremely good at qualitative processing of text if you have a big pile of unstructured text that you need to analyze and understand. These are the best tools to do it.
Real simple example: I was doing a project for a client two days ago, and this client—a fairly well-known client—I said, “Let me go see what the community has to say.” I went over to the Reddit forum that is about that particular industry. I downloaded 2,000 posts and, like, 4,000 comments about this thing, stuffed it into Google’s Gemini, and said, “Distill out the top-line trends and then the emerging trends in what people are saying about this client.” And it spit out the analysis. Handed it to the client. The client’s like, “That’s uncomfortable.”
I said, “Yep, sure is. But that’s what’s happening in the data.” Now, how long would it have taken me to read 6,000 posts and comments? Certainly, it would not have taken me 90 seconds. That’s how long it took Gemini to process all that and then another two minutes to do the analysis the way I wanted it.
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In today’s episode, you’ll delve into the fascinating world of generative AI and its impact on public relations with part one of my five-part interview with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University. You’ll gain valuable insights into the current state of AI adoption in the PR industry and uncover the driving forces and challenges shaping its implementation. Discover the potential of AI to revolutionize PR tasks, boosting productivity and efficiency in ways you might not have imagined. Tune in to explore the transformative power of AI in the realm of public relations!
You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 1 of 5
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In today’s episode, this is part one of five of an interview I did with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University about generative AI and public relations.
We’ll go ahead and pick off the questions. So, talking a little bit more about the use of AI in practice. Sort of — I know you’re not in public relations anymore — but how would you describe the level of AI adoption in the field of PR peer practice?
So, I can’t speak to that personally. However, I can tell you that in the 2024 Work Trend Index report from Microsoft, they cited that of knowledge workers, 75% of employees are currently using generative AI tools in the workforce with or without their employer’s permission.
And a lot of that time, when it’s without permission, they’re using free tools. However, on the employer side, only 7% to 8% of companies have a coherent policy around the use of AI. So, what you end up with is you have a lot of people who are using AI that may not be doing so safely in terms of data privacy.
We do work with other PR firms, and I would say AI usage there, it varies wildly from firm to firm. So, this is one B2B firm, where out of their staff of 15, 12 use AI and three don’t. And there’s another — mostly B2C firm — they have a staff of about, I think, 10 or 15. One out of 15 uses AI; the others are philosophically opposed to it and think it’s the devil. So, it varies wildly.
Okay, great. I love all those stats. So, what factors — regarding adoption — what factors do you believe are either driving it or hindering the adoption?
On the driving side, it’s all about productivity: can you get things done faster? A lot of firms are — and this was true, even in my PR days — you bill for 40 hours, and you work 80. Right? People — like, I — prefer to still bill 40 hours but actually work 40 instead of 80. And then there’s obviously a lot of appeal.
There’s also a lot of tasks that, frankly, machines should be doing. For example, something as simple as call summaries to a client. There’s no reason for a human to be doing that anymore. That’s just a waste of time.
Things like summarization of news coverage, there’s no reason for a human to be doing that anymore. That is — that should strictly be a machine-only task.
On the opposition side, there is a significant and warranted fear among PR people — the ones I’m thinking of — that the machines are just going to take their jobs, which is one aspect. Or they believe that the existence of AI itself is a violation of people’s intellectual property rights. Therefore, they feel like they shouldn’t — they’re ethically opposed to it. And there’s — there’s some debate about that. It is not settled in law as to whether that’s the case yet.
Great. You kind of talked a little bit about the tasks. Any other tasks that you feel AI automates the most — most effectively?
So, well, this gets into an interesting question: this is what PR people use AI for today. What you can do with it is far more than what people are doing with it today. For example, there’s a — there’s a discipline that I use called programmatic prompting, where you essentially write software in plain language. I was doing a demo of this the other day where, in — I use Google Gemini, but you can use any of the large models — I said, “Okay, you’re going to — here’s my new book. Come up with five pitch ideas. Then you’re going to evaluate those pitch ideas against the scoring rubric of — feel — what constitutes a good PR pitch. You’ve got to choose two winners out of the five. Then you’re going to choose two variations of each winner, rescore them, and give me the winning PR pitch for my new book that I would want you to go pitch at an agency.” This is probably 60 hours of work, getting people to read the book, brainstorm, meet, and so on and so forth. Gemini does it in one minute, 52 seconds.
Oh my gosh, that’s crazy. That does — that gives you some perspective there.
All right, so talking a little bit about those tools — I always am interested in the tools. I know the tools change, and they will change, and it’s hard to teach the tools in the classroom. But, I am curious, which tools or applications — which AI tools or applications do you find most relevant — and I’m specifically looking for PR, but, in your area — and then why?
If you are skillful at prompt writing, prompt engineering, you can accomplish 85% to 90% of tasks with a foundation model. A foundation model is a large model that is — general in purpose. ChatGPT is an example of a tool with a general model behind it. Google’s Gemini is an example, Microsoft Copilot, Anthropic Claude, and then Meta’s Llama model — the newly released one — all five of those can tackle pretty much any general language task and certainly any task within public relations.
Sometimes you will have to provide data. So, for example, if you are a B2B — you have a PR firm and you’ve got a client that works in a very specific type of industrial chemical — you will probably need to provide some background data for tasks around that client. But, in general, PR people do their work in language. It’s a language-based profession. Language models excel at language, and therefore, any tasks that a PR person does, a language model can also do with skillful prompting.
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“Remember that Time is Money.” – Benjamin Franklin, Advice to a Young Tradesman, 1748
Let’s talk about the ROI of AI today; while the focus will predominantly be on generative AI, it can be classical AI too. A lot of folks are asking the very sensible question, what is the ROI of AI? How would you go about determining it? So let’s dig in.
Part I: ROI
What’s the ROI of [insert thing here] is an age old question. Those folks with my color hair probably remember questions like “What’s the ROI of a website?” to skeptics in the 1990s. “What’s the ROI of social media?” in the 2000s, “What’s the ROI of mobile?” And so on. Sometimes the questions were asked in good faith, trying to figure out how much to invest in a platform. Other times, for more conservative folks, it was asked in bad faith to shut down any kind of initiative.
The amusing thing is, most people get ROI wrong. ROI – return on investment – is a financial calculation. It is expressed either in dollars or percentages, and there is no substituting anything in the equation. (There are a lot of people who love things like “return on [insert buzzword here]” that are nonsensical in this context)
Here’s the equation:
( earned – spent ) / spent = return on investment
That’s it. That’s ROI. To calculate the ROI of anything, you have to know what you earned, and you have to know what you spent.
If you don’t have those numbers, you cannot calculate ROI. Period, end of story.
A fair number of folks use the term ROI when they really mean value. That’s incorrect. The value of AI is different than the ROI of AI; things can have value that you might not be able to express in monetary terms.
For example, suppose you’re running a campaign to get someone elected to office. There’s a clear, measurable binary outcome – either the person is elected or they are not. But that result is not financial in nature (unless the person is corrupt and then you can measure bribes later, I suppose), and so while there is value, there is not ROI.
Here’s something else that’s rarely discussed with ROI. Even when you have the numbers, it’s not always an appropriate measurement. ROI is best suited for low resource environments, for when you have very limited resources and you need to make every dollar count. You use it to judge whether or not something is worth investing in.
However, not every scenario or situation is a low resource environment. There are plenty of companies who are in growth mode, who want to acquire audience or customers regardless of cost, or with cost as a secondary consideration. They need market share more than anything else. In those situations, ROI might unnecessarily constrain your strategy, and it would be an inappropriate measure of success.
Part 2: Calculating ROI
It’s at this point where I wish I had written this with AI, but I did not. So we press on. Let’s talk through calculating ROI. It seems pretty simple – (earned – spent)/spent fits on a sticky note. The challenge is, what does that mean?
Earned is the gross revenue earned by a particular thing, be it a strategy, tactic, or technology.
Spent is what you spent to achieve that earning.
Sounds simple, right? Except it really, really isn’t.
Earned
Marketers in particular have struggled to determine earned for decades, through attribution analysis. What does each marketing activity result in? Forget spent – can you even determine whether what you did earned any money or not? This gets into things like “what’s the value of brand?” And individual channel analysis. What’s the value of email marketing, of social media, of SEO, etc.?
There was a brief period of time, in the mid 2010s, when digital attribution was something the average non-technical marketer could do with a reasonable level of confidence. Tools like Google Analytics and a total disregard for individual privacy allowed marketers to get a sense of what was working. However, those days are long past; today, with things like privacy blocking in many operating systems, dark social (places like group chats, Slack, Discord, etc. That offer zero analytics to marketers) and AI-powered guessing in software like Google Analytics make attribution substantially more difficult overall and impossible for the non-technical marketer. You can still measure and calculate attribution, but it requires substantially more investment and technical skill.
So earned is kind of a mess. Let’s move onto spent. That’s easy, right?
Spent
Spent is another area where things usually go off the rails. Why? Because there’s two kinds of spent, hard money and soft money.
Hard money is literal dollars or kroner or euros spent, given to some other entity. When you buy ads, you are spending hard money with a vendor.
Soft money is the opportunity cost of doing something. We pay people to work for us, and every hour someone spends doing one task is an hour they can’t spend on another task. Thus, we have to account for that in the spent portion.
Let’s say someone is in charge of writing social posts, and their hourly rate works out to be 30 USD per hour. If the task takes them an hour, then we effectively spent 30 USD on that task – and that goes into our spent calculation.
This soft money cost can dramatically change our ROI computations. Let’s say you spent 5000 USD on Facebook Ads, and you earned 7500 USD in gross sales. So far, our ROI is:
(7500 – 5000) / 5000 = 50% ROI
That’s terrific. For every dollar you spent, you earned it back plus 50 cents. Good job, right?
But… it took:
A meeting of the marketing team to decide what ads to run, which was 1 hour with 5 people
The creative team to design the ad assets, which was a designer that took 4 hours of design time plus two rounds of revisions for a total of 8 hours
The marketing team had to write the ads, which took 2 hours and 2 people, or 4 hours total
Someone to actually put the ads into Meta Ads, which took 1 hour
Someone to monitor the ads and adjust them, which was 2 hours a week for the 8 weeks the campaign was in flight
Add up those hours spent at a blended rate of 50 USD per hour, and your spent was 5000 USD PLUS the 34 hours of labor, or an additional 1700 USD.
Now your ROI calculation is:
(7500 – 6700) / 6700 = 11.9% ROI
That’s still positive, meaning if you spent a dollar, you earned back the dollar plus 12 cents, but it’s a far cry from 50% ROI.
This is the challenge of truly measuring ROI, taking into account what you earned and what you spent. You can obviously do it at a very gross level on a company’s basic finances – the company’s overall gross revenue minus expenses, but once you start trying to break things down, it gets messy in a hurry.
Part 3: You Probably Can’t Calculate The ROI of AI
Here’s the zinger: calculating the ROI of AI is contingent on already knowing the ROI of what you’re currently doing.
If you don’t know the ROI of what you’re doing today, you cannot calculate the ROI of AI’s impact on it.
That’s the bench test for when a stakeholder asks about the ROI of AI. Ask to see the spreadsheet or ledger which shows your current ROI calculations for any given strategy, tactic, or execution. If that doesn’t exist, then you won’t be able to calculate the ROI of AI because you have no idea where you’re starting from.
But let’s say you’ve vanquished the mythical beast of ROI computation. You have an operating understanding of ROI for something like the Facebook Ads example we showed above. You’ve figured out what the earnings are for a particular strategy, tactic, or execution and you’ve calculated the hard and soft money.
Now you can finally start figuring out what the ROI of AI is. Here’s how. First, we have to determine where AI has fit into the picture, and what the benefits are. Fundamentally, we care about three things in business: save time, save money, make money.
When we save time, we fundamentally reduce the soft money cost in any process. If a task takes 10 hours and we’re paying a rate 50 USD per hour and we can reduce that task to 5 hours, we save 250 USD in soft money through that time savings.
When we save money, we’re just spending less. That one’s pretty obvious.
When we make money, either we’re innovating and creating new lines of income, or we’re optimizing and we’re getting more income out of the lines of business we already have, the ways we already make money.
So how might this apply to the very tactical process of running Facebook Ads?
Remember that 1700 USD chunk of soft money that reduced our ROI from 50% to 12%? If we can reduce the amount of time spent, we reduce the soft money cost, and our overall ad campaign ROI goes up.
If we generate ad copy or ad design using AI that performs better in testing and deployment than our current ads, then that performance brings in more revenue by getting people to convert or more better.
If we improve our targeting, our audience understanding, etc. to the point where we can reduce our ad costs, then we reduce the hard money cost. You would think this would be baked into ad platform software, but it isn’t; ad platforms inherently have a bias towards getting us to spend as much money as possible with them, not get the greatest possible results. (This is a common criticism of many big AdTech companies – the “smart” bidding algorithms are smart and do a great job – for the ad platform.)
Once we identify where we can put AI to use in one or more of these three dimensions, we can measure the change. Let’s look at our Facebook Ads example again.
A meeting of the marketing team to decide what ads to run, which was 1 hour with 5 people. This part probably won’t change. People love their meetings.
We use AI to generate most of the ad creative, which cuts down from 8 hours to 4 hours (because revisions and review still takes time)
AI writes all the ad copy. With a very skilled prompt and/or appropriate infrastructure setup, this will take 5-10 minutes.
Someone to actually put the ads into Meta Ads, which took 1 hour. This won’t change much unless someone automates this via the API.
Someone to monitor the ads and adjust them, which was 2 hours a week for the 8 weeks the campaign was in flight. This also won’t change much.
We go from 34 hours of labor to 26 hours of labor, which is a savings of 8 hours. At our 50 USD hour blended rate, our cost drops from 1700 USD to 1300 USD, a savings of 400 USD. Obviously, if we can trim back more, like dramatically shorten that initial meeting or change how we do ad monitoring, we can find additional savings.
Let’s also say that our AI ads perform better. Instead of earning 5000 USD, we earn 6000 USD on our campaign because AI helped write more compelling ads.
If we add up the savings in soft money plus the increase in income, we have a total of 1400 USD that AI changed for the better. That’s the ‘earnings’ of AI. Now, we need to determine what we spent. If we’re using foundation models and skillful prompting, we’re probably spending 50 USD a month per user on the tools. If we’re using APIs and programmatic AI, the costs might be higher based on how many API calls we’re consuming. (your Dev and IT teams would be able to help with that)
Let’s say for sake of example that we have a ChatGPT Teams subscription and four seats. That’s 100 USD per month. Let’s say we also consume 100 USD of API calls from a script we have that can mass generate Facebook ads. That’s 200 USD per month in costs. If we plug that into our ROI formula, our ROI of AI, in this example, is:
( 1400 – 200 ) / 200 = 600%
Thus, our ROI of AI here is 600% ROI. For every dollar we spent, we got it back plus 6 more.
Soft Money ROI Only
Suppose the ads didn’t earn more. If we just went with the time savings and our ads didn’t perform any better, we would have:
( 400 – 200 ) / 200 = 100%
The time savings ROI would be 100% – for every dollar we spent, we got it back plus another dollar.
This is how most organizations will probably find the ROI of AI. And because it lacks the income side, the earned side, and focuses just on the savings side, this is the “worst case scenario” ROI for AI – and it’s still positive.
Here’s a clear example I gave from a talk recently about a time savings-based ROI. I wrote a prompt to help a PR team build pitch ideas based on a piece of content it was given. For those who don’t know, I worked at a PR firm for 5 years prior to Trust Insights. I sat in on many, many of these meetings. For one set of pitch ideas – not the pitching itself, just the ideation – the cost that was billed to a client was 12,000 USD for 66 hours of a team’s time, at an agency blended bill rate of 182 USD per hour.
That same process I replicated in Google’s Gemini for a client’s PR team. The client was very, very happy with the outcome and thought the ideas were quite effective, so we’re at parity in terms of quality of outcome. The same process that took a team of humans 66 hours in my agency days took Gemini 1 minute, 52 seconds. At a bill rate of 182 USD per hour, that was 5.66 USD.
What’s the ROI of AI? For a client in this case, it’s the cost difference as the earnings minus the expense of AI. Even if I used the highest bill rate I charge, 1000 USD per hour, the cost would be 33 USD to run the software. Let’s be generous and say it took me 3 hours to build and test the software (it did not) for a cost of 3000 USD. What’s the ROI of AI in this case?
‘Earned’ is what the client didn’t spend on the old way, 12,012 USD
Spent is what the client spent in this instance, 3033 USD
( 12012 – 3033 ) / 3033 = 296% ROI
For every dollar the client spent, they ‘earned’ (saved) that dollar plus 2.96 additional – on this run of the project. They can then take that project and reuse it, over and over again, to generate idea after idea. What does the ROI look like on the second run, when it’s just the cost of running it, even at my bill rate?
( 12012 – 33 ) / 33 = 36,300% ROI
It’s a ludicrous 36,300% ROI. For every dollar they spend on subsequent uses of the project, they get that dollar back (in savings) plus 36,300 more.
Part 4: What To Do With the ROI of AI
If you’re able to calculate the ROI of AI for different strategies, tactics, and executions, then you’ll be able to build business cases for why you need to expand or enhance your offerings. But what do you do with that number, other than brag to your CFO?
One of the most important use cases for a stellar ROI of AI number is to re-look at all your business processes. There are some strategies, tactics, and executions which, when human-led, have had negative ROI. They cost more than they earned, and it was judged that it wasn’t worth doing.
Once you become skillful at applying AI to business processes, you can dust off those old use cases. If a strategy, tactic, or execution was only marginally negative in ROI, applying AI to it might be enough to flip the balance to a positive ROI. In the previous example, 296% ROI was great for the first use of AI to replicate a more manual process. 36,300% ROI is just bonkers and could make almost any unprofitable process profitable if the process itself is a good candidate for AI.
Here’s an example. Many, many, MANY companies that do ROI computation correctly for organic social media find that organic social media generally has negative ROI. You do it because you have to, for brand reputation management, retention, community building, and crisis aversion, not because it’s intensely profitable. Very, very few companies can demonstrate strong profitability with organic social media marketing alone.
Why? The soft money cost of organic social media is very high. Now, if you were to decompose your organic social media processes and apply AI to them wherever you could – especially on content creation – you might be able to change that balance. If you could reduce your soft money expenditures on social media content creation by 2x or more, then you might find that your organic social ROI could start heading towards positive ROI territory. What was previously not a viable channel in terms of ROI could be again.
AI has the strongest impact today on soft money expenditures – saving time. Like Ben Franklin said, time is money. If you want to demonstrate the value of AI, that’s where you’ll find the easiest benefit, and unlike the tangled web that is attribution modeling and proving the impact of marketing methods, you can demonstrate the ROI of AI with cost savings alone. The example above where we ignored the increase in ad revenue and just showed cost savings in time is the easiest way to get to an ROI of AI.
Wrapping Up
Here’s the unpleasant reality: very few companies will be able to show the ROI for AI because they can’t show the ROI of anything they currently do. The best case scenario for them is showing the impact of AI on cost savings.
For those companies that have their house in order, they can branch out into showing saving hard money or making more money through things like innovation, improved product market fit, better competitive analysis, etc. Like social media, mobile, and the Internet itself, AI has a transformative effect on business that is a direct correlation of how well the business itself is run. to paraphrase the first Captain America movie, it’s an amplifier. It makes the good into great and the bad into worse.
My partner and CEO Katie Robbert frequently says that new technology can’t solve old problems, which is 100% true. If you’re not able to calculate the ROI of anything else, you won’t be able to calculate the ROI of AI either.
If you can show the ROI of what you’re currently doing, then you’ll be able to show the ROI when you apply AI to those processes as well – and the numbers will probably astonish you.
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