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  • You Ask, I Answer: Most Effective PR Strategies?

    You Ask, I Answer: Most Effective PR Strategies?

    Abi asks, “What are the most effective PR strategies we should be looking at?”

    Have news worth sharing. That’s it. That’s PR in a nutshell. It’s simple, and it’s not at all easy. Here’s a test: if you were going on a date with someone, is the story you’re working on something that you’d want to share with them?

    Tactical things to think about: there’s fewer news outlets, so you’ll need to become one. More often than not, you’ll need to create news, so be prepared to do that as well.

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    In today’s episode, Abby asks, What are the most effective PR strategies we should be looking at? That’s a bit broad.

    Here is the PR strategy, the one that is timeless that is effective.

    That is pretty much as close to guaranteed as you can get.

    Have news worth sharing.

    That’s it.

    Have news worth sharing.

    It’s simple.

    And it’s difficult.

    Because most of the time, we don’t have news worth sharing.

    Most of the time, we have things that aren’t even news, right? Oh, look, we changed our logo, or so and so got promoted, or we want a new client.

    These are all things that are important to us as business owners or as managers or executives or whatever.

    But nobody cares.

    It’s that’s not news.

    That’s boring, right? news is something that is new.

    And that is remarkable meaning that is worth remarking about Seth Godin.

    Zola quote, you have to be remarkable.

    If no one’s talking about it.

    It’s not news.

    Here’s an easy one, especially if you’ve got you know, a decent number of employees.

    Go and wherever it is, your employees congregate and hang out.

    Right, and it’s the watercooler the cafeteria, whatever could be online to, you know, monitoring employees, social media and how they post publicly and see what they talk about naturally.

    I guarantee you, it’s not about your company.

    It’s not about the press release you just put out or the the story that you just put on your blog, whatever.

    If you can’t even get your own people to care, why is anyone else gonna care.

    So you’ve got to have news worth sharing, what is news worth sharing? Well, it can be anything that really is beneficial to your audience.

    And your products and services, generally are not going to be beneficial in a newsworthy way, it may be beneficial, but they’re not news because they’re not new.

    So that can be things like a study or some research you did, it can be a qualitative piece of information, it can be an interview with somebody who isn’t involved in your company, you know, some sort of minor celebrity or industry person, it can be a trend in the in your overall industry that has suddenly changed.

    A lot of people were able to make a decent amount of news earlier this year when the pandemic hit.

    And you know, there were a lot of good, and also a lot of lots of good pieces on how the pandemic was going to change certain industries.

    That’s news that’s useful.

    That’s interesting, that’s worth talking about is remarkable.

    And that’s what you have to do on a regular frequent basis, if you want to have an effective public relations strategy.

    In theory, this is why people pay agencies, because agencies, in theory have more practice at doing this sort of thing than then some folks in house it’s not necessarily true.

    Agencies are as wide and varied in quality as any other industry as any other business, there’ll be some good ones, there’ll be a whole bunch of mediocre ones, there’ll be some bad ones.

    So the biggest challenge for you is to figure out whether this agency is any good at what they do or not.

    And some companies inherently just have more news than others, right? And when there is news, they know how to to push all the right buttons, nobody really has to work all that hard at generating news, you know, if you work at like Tesla, or SpaceX, right, you literally are doing new stuff.

    And yes, you have to do the effort of you know, reaching out and letting news media know that you’re doing this thing.

    But the news itself is newsworthy, it is, is remarkable.

    That’s the bench test if if your people we even you yourself, if you happen to be in a some kind of relationship is what you’re about to write a news release or do a news campaign about so interesting and fascinating and exciting to you that you’re talking about it to your friends, your significant other whoever on prompted.

    It’s just so exciting that it’s worth talking about then you know, you’ve got something If on the other hand, you’re working on something and he can’t even bothered to bring it up to your your significant other at the end of the day, it’s probably not newsworthy, and therefore it’s gonna be a much harder story to make happen.

    There are fewer news outlets now than there ever used to be for at least a decade.

    We’re doing some data research recently for business wire and found that they were at 5000 domain names unique domain names and new stories back in 2015 are down like 30 ish thousand now.

    So you’ve seen a substantial contraction, the number of news outlets available.

    So one of the things that you have to do tactically is Become a news outlet become a publisher be have a very large mailing list, a large readership or a large YouTube channel or something that gives you reach into your audience, because you are the news at that point.

    So many industries, particularly this year, have have run into really hard times in terms of being able to maintain their business operations, that we’ve seen dramatic decline in the number of functioning news outlets.

    This isn’t a long term trend.

    So you have to become the news.

    So tactically, what can you do to build a media property that is a publisher that you then can share your news in? Plenty of companies have done this, plenty of companies have become so large and so powerful in their media operations, that they’re effectively like separate companies.

    But the advantage is, you don’t have to pitch anybody.

    You don’t have to squeeze your news in or ask an editor to approve your story.

    You it’s your outlet, so you have control over it.

    That’s a big part of making news work for you today is you have to become the news.

    And that is something that companies overlook a lot.

    So do that to the extent that you can it’s an investment, you’re talking probably two to three year investment, at least significant ad dollars, significant marketing technology dollars to build a for example, newsletter and run it well.

    Notification systems marketing and remarketing by text message, retargeting ads, that run on search that run on YouTube expect to spend, depending on how large you need it to be and how large your industry is, anywhere from five to seven digits on building that outlet, so that you are the you become the de facto news source for your industry.

    And then you don’t have to worry a whole lot about having to run the public relations operation separately, because at that point, you are the news.

    But that’s it.

    At the core, the challenge is most of the times most of what we have to share is not news.

    And therefore it’s not going to resonate.

    It’s going to be very, very difficult to pitch.

    And with fewer reporters and journalists out there it becomes really difficult to get their attention for anything.

    So what do you have for what you’re pitching has to be really news.

    We could spend a whole lot more time on this but if you have follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Quantifying Hallway Conversations?

    You Ask, I Answer: Quantifying Hallway Conversations?

    Jon asks, “Any thoughts on how to quantify online social media interactions at a conference versus those that happen in hallways and bars?”

    I’m not sure you could without either highly intrusive surveillance or robust individual tracking. Self-reporting would probably be the only reasonable way to gather and analyze this data that wouldn’t be unethical or problematic.

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    In today’s episode, john asks any thoughts on how to quantify online social media interactions at a conference versus those that happen in hallways and bars? I’m not sure that you could.

    online social media interactions are pretty straightforward, particularly those that are in public, your average marketing automation system, that if it’s any good at all, I can pull in social media data from public channels, and store that in the marketing automation system or forwarded on to the CRM, so that you can see who you’re interacting with and append that to existing records, if you have those social handles, one of the challenges you’ll run into is that the social handles of individuals may not necessarily be associated with, you know, companies or deals.

    So you will have to do some cleanup there to be able to see what are the interactions that you’re having on social media? And how does that relate to what you see in in your CRM, the bigger challenge is, the hallways and bars the offline.

    I mean, there are, there are ways that you could theoretically, log all that stuff, you could have a voice recorder, you know, and a microphone is where it, you know, at a big shirt that says I’m recording all the time, otherwise, you are violating wiretap laws.

    So you could, in theory, have this on all the time and just record every single conversation you have.

    And then you have to take this and send it to a transcription service to transcribe it and annotate it.

    But realistically, realistically, probably the only way to do that, at an event would be for sales professionals to to log their interactions to log their contacts and say, Hey, I was at this event.

    And this is these are the people I’ve met.

    And these are the interactions we had.

    And here’s the things that were discussed, we have all been that that person who get home from the event in a big pile of business cards, you know, stacked up on your desk, if you were really clever, you remembered to actually write something down on the cards that give you some semblance of what it was you talked to this person about.

    But for the most part, that’s going to be, that’s probably gonna be the easiest and best ways to, to log those interactions.

    Now, here’s the challenge, quantifying them in terms of what the value they provide is, again, with the online ones, because it’s all within the clickstream.

    And you can detect that activity and move it in, you know, into deals and things into CRM, you can start to estimate some of the interaction value.

    But even still, your timeline is going to be potentially all over the place, depending on what your company sells and how it sells it.

    You know, for my company, we were we were doing an analysis.

    Gosh, when was that? Few months ago.

    And we were trying to do attribution on particular deal types were like, where did this this come from.

    And one of them was a contact I had made with a person eight years ago, eight years ago.

    But you know, this is Trust Insights is only three years old.

    This predates this almost predates my work at my previous company.

    And it just took that long for that person to be in a position to move up into a position in their company where they had the authority to do some kind of a deal.

    And they had a need, they had a clear need for the the analytic services that we offered.

    And so how do you factor that into an ROI model? It’s really difficult.

    It’s really, really difficult.

    At best, though, what you can do is log all the interactions, and then look at the data over time and say, Okay, what things tend to generate deals? Is it events broadly? Is it Hallway Conversations? Is it social media, is it you know, stories in the newspaper, all those things have the potential to generate business but you don’t know until you look at the data? The the interactions people have at conferences.

    You know, I’ve seen some very skilled sales professionals have people signing deals and stuff at the bar.

    I don’t know if that was legally binding if the person was not a clear state of mind while they’re doing so, but I have seen people you know, do business in the event itself.

    Certainly a tradeshow floors and you know, Booth mixes that you see plenty of that.

    But comparing the two would be even more difficult I think because they’re different kinds of conversations.

    The interactions you have with somebody in public on Twitter or Facebook or LinkedIn or Instagram are going to be different by default, from, you know, just hanging out at the bar after a day at the conference.

    So you’re just gonna have very different kinds of conversations, very different kinds of interactions.

    seeing some sales professionals, behave less professional people at conferences at the bar afterwards, you definitely don’t want that in your CRM.

    And because of that, it’s not a true apples to apples comparison from just from the data type alone, you know, online social media conversation of a person sitting in their basement, or in their home office, or wherever, you know, typing into a keyboard versus, you know, hanging out at the bar, you know, over beers, very different kinds of interactions.

    So it would be somewhat foolish to try and create some kind of comparative method for valuation, like what’s the value of this versus that they’re, broadly that you could, you could probably classify the interaction types, and to see how they play a part, have played a role.

    But that would require fairly sophisticated modeling.

    That again, I don’t think a lot of systems would be, I know, no sale systems at all are configured to do that you have to do that manually.

    Self reporting really is the only reasonable way to gather and analyze the hallway conversation data, really is it and even then, with the online stuff, if your CRM or your marketing automation software doesn’t connect to, you know, social inboxes.

    Even that’s going to be something of a mystery, right? If somebody sends you a private message on Twitter, or in Facebook Messenger or whatever, you may not necessarily get that information.

    Some some organizations face even greater challenge where you may have sales professionals doing stuff on their personal accounts that they probably don’t want to connect to the system, corporate systems, but yet the business is being done.

    So again, self reporting is going to be the way to go there.

    The challenge for businesses is going to be motivating a sales professionals to do that self reporting accurately and timely.

    This is something that I’ve never seen a single organization ever, in my career that did not have a problem, getting people to self report.

    I have that problem.

    myself.

    And I’m a co owner of the company, you think of as any we had a motivation to do that it would be the the owners of the company, but I still forget to put stuff in the system as well.

    And the The only real leverage you have as a as an analytics person is to say, like we’re trying to prove the ROI of these things.

    And we need this information.

    If we don’t have this information, then we can’t justify spending money on sending you to Vegas or wherever, for these events.

    So we need you to document stuff.

    That’s typically the only leverage you have from an analytics perspective is to say like you can’t do the things that you enjoy that are fun if you don’t prove that they have some value.

    So that can help with the data problem.

    But at the end of the day, you have it comes down to what data you have.

    And can you prove any kind of interactions that lead to the closing of a deal? Sometimes you will it sometimes if there’s a very logical linear chain of events, other times, they won’t be and those are the times when you have to either get creative or accept that a certain percentage of your your marketing and your sales activity is going to be vague.

    It’s going to be not as clear as you want it to be.

    You could absolutely track for example, when salespeople are at conferences, physically they’re out of the office at these things back in the days when I went to conferences.

    That would be a at least a time based way to track some of those things to see that those activities were in the mix.

    But it’s really good question.

    It’s a tough question to answer.

    There’s no good answers yet.

    And it probably won’t be unless you really like intrusive surveillance.

    So your follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Difference Between Digital PR and Traditional PR?

    You Ask, I Answer: Difference Between Digital PR and Traditional PR?

    Elizabeth asks, “What’s the difference between digital PR and traditional PR?”

    This is in reference to a set of techniques promoted by search engine companies to focus PR outcomes on SEO. In reality, there isn’t and shouldn’t be a difference. If you’re doing public relations well, the outcomes are the same. There shouldn’t be a difference between “digital PR” and PR.

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    In today’s episode, Elizabeth asks, What’s the difference between digital PR and traditional PR? Alright, so this is in reference to something that search engine companies are promoting the idea of digital PR, being focused on SEO outcomes, getting inbound links to your website, getting clicks on those links, etc.

    from high ranking domains.

    Guys, that’s just SEO.

    I mean, it’s fine if you want to rebrand as digital PR, but it’s still just SEO.

    And that’s fine.

    There’s nothing wrong with that, is it a vital important part of the SEO work that you do.

    But PR outcomes, there’s there’s two PR outcomes, right? fundamental attention and trust, great public relations efforts, deliver attention.

    And you can measure that with any way you want.

    And trust, the belief in brand, a company etc.

    and that it’s trustworthy and worth doing business with.

    Those are the two fundamental outcomes, whether you call it digital or traditional, or online or offline, or whatever, it doesn’t matter, the outcomes are the same.

    If the outcomes are not the same, then you’re not doing public relations.

    Now are there.

    Second, secondary effects, other outcomes that come along with that? Yes.

    And that’s where things like SEO metrics come into play.

    Back in the days when I worked at a PR agency, one of the benefits we promoted of good public relations was many of the SEO outcomes like inbound links, referral traffic from other websites and things like that.

    But those are not the program outcomes that you’ll be aiming for.

    Those are beneficial side effects.

    Really, if you are pitching people for links, as opposed to pitching people for coverage, you’re not really doing PR, right, you’re doing SEO.

    And that’s, again, there’s nothing wrong with that.

    But don’t confuse the two.

    And the reason you shouldn’t confuse the two is that SEO has a narrower scope of outcomes.

    And those outcomes may not deliver the kind of results that you get from a great public relations campaign.

    Getting a great link in a story is less impactful to the end user than getting a great story about your company, whether or not it has a link.

    And one of the things that you measure, if you’re doing public relations measurement correctly, one of the things you’re measuring is branded search, how many people are searching for your company by name, right? How many people are searching for Trust Insights, or Christopher Penn within the realm of analytics and data, because there’s a long deceased movie actor by the same name? How many people are searching for that? Right, and I’m doing good public relations, awareness and attention and trust, then those things should increase.

    And by the way, those things may or may not involve inbound links, right? If you are aware of me by name, if you are aware of my company by name, you may not need a link.

    To be able to Google for me, you may just no Top of Mind, oh, I need to I need somebody to help me with Google Analytics for go and type in Christopher Penn Google Analytics and see what comes up.

    Right.

    That’s what great public relations does is it creates that awareness and creates that trust.

    So be very careful when someone is conflating SEO outcomes with public relations outcomes.

    They are different.

    They are equally valuable in their own ways.

    And you can use some metrics from either branch to help measure the other like for for digital PR, SEO.

    Right? You can look for things like unlinked mentions, right? That’s okay.

    One of the things that when we look at how Google’s algorithms work, they do things like entity recognition and entity detection within text to see like what are the words and phrases that are in a block of text that are mentioned near each other that inform the search engine about what constitutes a topic right? It doesn’t necessarily need links to do that bill schlocky over SEO by the sea has dived deep into a lot of Google’s patents on how they do entity recognition and then build a network graph of those entities to determine relevance to determine related terms.

    So good doing great public relations can benefit you even if there’s no link for SEO purposes because it helps associate the topic with your brand.

    If you are constantly being mentioned in the New York Times whether or not you get a link, because the New York Times is such a credible site, it helps build Google’s knowledge graph of everything relevant to that idea.

    And as we talked about, you know, traditional public relations can use SEO metrics as part of the set of outcomes.

    Realistically, when you’re measuring public relations, you’re looking at, you know, four or five buckets and metrics, you’re looking at referral traffic, for sure.

    You’re looking at branded search, you are looking at some of the other SEO metrics as well, you are looking at attention and trust, right, so things like NPS scores can be potentially impacted by that.

    And you were looking at even efficiency of campaigns, right? If you put two ads in front of a consumer, and one ad is by a brand, they recognize that one brand they don’t recognize, which is the consumer more likely to click on, right from just simple probability.

    They’re more likely to click on the ad from the companies whose brand they recognize and like.

    And so there are when you do public relations, well, there are a multitude of outcomes, all of which are measurable, by the way.

    One of the one of the worst things I’ve seen when I worked in public relations was, you know, people making the claim you can’t measure PR, that’s not true.

    I’ve said that in perhaps stronger terms back in those days, but it’s not true.

    The challenge becomes establishing which measurements that you have access to which data you have access to has an actual relevant relevance or correlation to the outcome that you care about as a company.

    So what’s the difference between these two things? There is no difference.

    You know, if you’re doing public relations, right, you’re generating awareness, you’re generating trust? When are you measuring those things by certain outcomes? Yes, including SEO based metrics are in mostly the awareness bucket.

    But things like brand organic search are in the trust bucket.

    Do your measurements well use the data you have available to you? There’s so much so much you can do to measure public relations effectively.

    You’ve just got to have the systems in place, how the processes in place and have the knowledge to know how those things relate to the outcomes that your business cares about.

    So interesting question.

    I say a whole lot more about people mixing up disciplines or moving metrics from one to the other, but I think that we’ll leave it there for now.

    You got follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Tips for Starting to Build Your Personal Brand?

    You Ask, I Answer: Tips for Starting to Build Your Personal Brand?

    Nadia asks, “What are the best tips you would give to someone who has just started building their personal brand?”

    Remember the words of Mitch Joel: it’s not who you know, it’s who knows you. What do you want to be known for? Be crystal clear about that first. Once you know that, once you’re clear on that, then avoid the biggest mistake of all: never build on rented land.

    Follow the why / what / who framework.

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    In today’s episode, Nadia asks, What are the best tips you would give to someone who has just started building their personal brand? Okay, so in the words of Mitch Joel, it’s not who you know, it’s who knows you? And when somebody thinks of you, what are the triggers that make your name come up in their mind and their minds? What right? What? What do you want to be known for? Right? When somebody has a need of some kind? How does your name become top of mind? Before you start building a personal brand, and before you start doing all the tactical stuff, you got to figure out why somebody would call you.

    What is it that you have to offer that is unique and different and, and valuable? that someone would want to follow you to listen to what you have to say, to watch what you produce to read the things that you publish? If you’re not clear on that, building a personal brand is going to be an exercise in frustration.

    And because it is literally literally personal, it is something that can be very disheartening, right? It can be very invalidating your identity, if you put yourself out there and people are like, I don’t care.

    So you have to be very, very clear about what it is that you want to be known for.

    If you don’t know that, don’t build a personal brand.

    Right? How do you make that determination? Well, a big part of that is introspection, and self awareness and understanding what are the common threads in your life that keeps showing up over and over and over again, not necessarily in a work context, or professional context, but just as part of who you are as a human being.

    You know, when I look back at my life, I’ve been playing with computers of some kind, since I was seven years old, I got my first Apple two plus, a beige monstrosity with the the black and green screen.

    And seeing the same story happen over and over and over again in my life, which is taking a piece of technology and making it useful, right, making it useful, doing things with it, you know, winning election and high school to class president and things by using desktop publishing tools to essentially out propagate, gets the glass making friends in college, basically doing tech support with them.

    All of these things, this is this is one of the several common threads in my life, that have been there for a long time.

    And just keep showing up over and over again.

    And even if you’re, you know, just fresh out of college or whatever, it’s, you’ve still got a couple of decades, more or less under your belt, what are the common threads that keep showing up that tell you, this looks like something that is an integral part of me.

    Right? Once you know that, building, the brand becomes a list of tactical things to do.

    But if you don’t have that understanding of why somebody should care about you, the rest of the stuff is not going to be as effective.

    Right? The second major tip, and this is one that almost everybody gets wrong, right out of the gate, do not build on rented land.

    We’ve been saying this in social media since what 2005 do not build on rented land, we’re saying this back in the MySpace days for those of you old enough to remember MySpace.

    And what this means is that yes, things like Facebook, and Twitter and YouTube and Instagram.

    And all these platforms are great.

    They’re great for building awareness.

    They’re great for communicating with people, but they should not be your home base.

    Your Home Base should be something that you own and is under your control.

    And you as long as you keep you know, funding it, you have it, it can’t be taken away from you.

    So things like your website, your email list, the list of contacts, all these things that are under your control.

    That’s where you should be putting your time and energy that’s where you should be putting your growth, your construction.

    Your best material should be in those places first, because you own them and they will not go away on you.

    There is no algorithm that will just make your stuff vanish.

    Now, are there things that can improve its visibility, like SEO and email deliverability rules? Yes.

    But they are less punitive.

    And less arbitrary than say, Zuckerberg saying this week you’re gonna pay this much to have anything of your seen on Facebook? I’d so do not build on rented land? And finally, I would say in terms of the order of operations for what you should be doing, it should be Why what? Who, a lot of people when they start building out their personal brands make the mistake of going after the who first, who should I follow? Who should I connect with? Who should I network with? Who should know who’s who should I meet at conferences, which is fine? Those are important questions.

    But the why and the what needs to come first, why should somebody follow you? or pay attention to you or interact with you? And then what do you have to give them? There’s a rule from business networking, international DNI, called givers gain, you give first, without expectation, not a quid pro quo.

    But you give first, you tend to make relationship building easier.

    So what do you have to offer and you have to give to somebody, again, no expectation, no reciprocity.

    That would convince them that you should be worth paying attention to.

    That can be things like a blog, or a podcast, video series, a video show like this an ebook, a real book of some kind.

    But what do you have to give? That proves your value? That proves that you’ve got something between your ears that answers that question of, what do you want to be known for? Why, what, then who, and then the who parts are pretty straightforward.

    This idea of you know, leveraging an arbitrage, there’s a actually don’t have a book called The red paperclip.

    One red paperclip, I believe about bartering up and up and up.

    And just minor imbalances in power that you used to ladder up in, in trade to gain advantage.

    And the same thing was true for influence.

    Can you go and ask, you know, a superstar in your industry to feature you in their newsletter? No, nope, you’re gonna get lost in the crowd? Can you ask somebody who has just slightly more of an audience than you do? to collaborate with them? Yes, you can.

    So if you have 50 people on your newsletter list, find somebody got 55 people on your newsletter list, hey, do you want to do a collaboration? Do you want to do a list swap? Do you want to do whatever it is that you have to offer mutual value in doing so, you will lever yourself up to to bigger and better things.

    And so that’s sort of the who side of things is, is using that slight bit of arbitrage, to get growth to end provide value to other people as well.

    So one of my friends recently saying, Hey, I’m almost at, you know, X number of newsletter subscribers, would you share this with a friend, you should be looking at other lists of similar size and saying, hey, do you want to do a list swap, which is where you run an ad in your own newsletter for somebody else’s newsletter, they do the same for you same amount of space, same, you know, value proposition, things like that.

    But in doing so, you create value for both parties, especially if there’s not a whole lot of overlap.

    So those would be the starting tips.

    understand the why.

    Why is somebody care about you at all? Understand the what what do you have to offer value and understand the who who should you be working with to build that brand because it’s something that you you can do it alone, but it’s a lot easier to do if you have a collective of people who are all trying to do the same thing and working together.

    If you got follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Tips for Getting The Most From Virtual Events?

    You Ask, I Answer: Tips for Getting The Most From Virtual Events?

    Erika asks, “What are your tips for getting the most out of virtual events as an attendee?”

    A great question given the changed world we live in. First, prioritize what’s transient – what are the things that you can only get during the virtual event? Sessions are generally recorded and you can go back to them later. What won’t you be able to access when the event is over?

    Second, what’s your burning question?

    Third, how many people can you ask your burning question to and where? Virtual events are better for this sort of thing than real life ones!

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    In today’s episode, Erica asks, What are your tips for getting the most out of virtual events? As an attendee? This is a great question given the changed world that we live in, and the fact that we’re going to be going to virtual events for at least another year.

    So if we’re going to invest the money, the time, etc, we need to get the most out of them.

    So virtual events are typically going to be a combination of a few different things.

    There’s, of course, the talking heads sessions, there may be some live sessions, there may be some networking and other activities and stuff that go with that.

    And of course, there’s the usual stuff like the vendor halls and things.

    So the first thing that you want to do with any kind of online event is look at all those different activities and make note of which things you will have access to after the event and which things you won’t.

    So what are those transient, intangible things that are going to fade away? As soon as the event is over? Sometimes that may be like a chat rooms? They have I’ve seen some events like have have speed dating and other networking things, breakout rooms, etc.

    What are those things that once events over you, that you simply won’t be able to get access to? Chances are, it’s going to be a lot of live stuff.

    So live chats, q&a is asked me anything’s those are all stuff that you want to prioritize, you want to put that at the top of your list, what stuff will there simply not be a chance to get back to later, the sessions, the you know, the all the recordings and stuff, there’s a good chance that you’re going to be able to access those up to a month after the event if not longer.

    So it’s probably a pretty safe bet that you can make note of the ones you want to attend.

    And then obviously, get them get the recordings, whenever you want.

    To have a discussion with attendees about a session, you may obviously need to attend those sessions, particularly if the event is structured in such a way where there’s a session, and then there’s like 20 minutes of live q&a with the session presenter as a fairly common thing.

    So you may want to sit through the sessions.

    With a virtual event, you got to book the time, you got to pretend that you’re at the actual event.

    You know, one of the things that’s great about real events is it takes you out of the space that you’re in every day, and put you in a situation where you are more receptive to learning because you’re not at the office Well, right now you’re at the office, right? You never leave the office.

    And so, for these events, you have to act as though you are not available.

    So setting all your stuff on Do Not Disturb not taking calls, not booking meetings.

    It’s hard.

    That’s really hard.

    I, I know how difficult that can be for a lot of people where they don’t feel like they can escape the office, you got to try even I mean, you could even go to the maybe illogical extreme of like booking a hotel room, you know, locally, and just, you know, spending the day there where you’re not at the office, just to put yourself in a different mindset.

    Second thing with any event, live or virtual in person or not, is to come up with your burning question, what is the question that you need an answer to? No matter what the event is? That, you know, that’s what you want on the event, you’re going to ask as many people that question as possible.

    Whatever your burning question is, Hey, does anybody know how to, you know increase the the memory window of a T five transformer? Does anybody know? How to get related keywords for your SEO tool? Does anybody know how to get LinkedIn analytics? Whatever your burning question is, make sure that you have it, you’re clear on it.

    And you’ve already googled it and stuff so that you’ve got the easy answers.

    Now you can get the more sophisticated answers that will help you make the most of any event.

    Frankly, it helps you make the most of any interaction period.

    Because if you are talking to somebody with purpose, there’s less chance of wasting your time there’s less chance of wasting their time.

    And you get provable value when you get back to the office when you get back to your normal work life.

    Third, with virtual events, how many people can you ask your burning question to and where and this is where virtual events actually have a bit of a leg up on real world events.

    When you go to real world event and you sit down at you know the table the meal times and you’re surrounded by you know eight to 10 other people all eating hotel chicken or standing in the buffet line.

    You You haven’t experienced there, which is good.

    You know, you can certainly listen to what other people have to say.

    But it can be tricky because you know, some people are louder than others.

    Some people don’t feel comfortable talking in front of others.

    Some people just talk over other people all the time.

    You don’t have that problem virtually.

    Right.

    So you know, the events Facebook group or slack group, or wherever your event is happening, it’s, it’s networking, that’s a great place to be able to ask your burning question to a lot of people a lot more people, more people than you could sit down with at a table and be able to sensibly hear their answers.

    So bring that burning question and hold on to every single person and say, Hey, has anybody figured out how to access LinkedIn analytics from from an API or a web scraper? or whatever? The The, the burning question is that you have Doing so will get you more answers and probably better answers.

    I know, I’ve had the experience of asking somebody, and, you know, you’re sitting at the table with them at a mealtime.

    And it’s awkward, they feel like they have to say something, even if they have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, and they have no credible information to offer on the topic.

    I’ve sat down with people who feel like they just have to have something to say no matter what.

    You don’t get that, again, in virtual environments, right, you’ll get as much you will get, you know, the standard, you know, mansplaining here and there.

    But for the most part, people who have actually something to say on the topic, in a virtual environment will will contribute and people who don’t, won’t feel a social obligation, like they’re sitting next to you.

    And they’re like, uh, huh, hi.

    You don’t get that in the virtual environment.

    So that’s, the third thing is to make sure, a fourth thing, make sure that you’re asking your burning questions for as many people in the places that the event is set aside during the event, because again, that’s going to be one of those things that’s transient, once the event is over.

    It’s going to be harder to ask people those questions.

    The same is true with the various speakers and things, even if the speaker is not in the live things, right.

    You know, they a lot of his sessions are pre recorded at many events, you can absolutely, you know, with greater context, you know, tweet at them or hit them up on, on wherever it is that they are, and say, Hey, I just watched your session at content marketing world.

    And they’re like, Oh, yeah, that’s right.

    That’s This Week, isn’t it? I have a question for you.

    Can I ask you a question? Right? It’s it is contextually more relevant to cold outreach to a speaker at the event that they’re speaking at? Then it would be say, other times the or not, but I think that would be that many people who’d be jerks and say, like, no, you’re not allowed to talk to me? If I’m not at the event.

    But certainly, from a context perspective, it makes you sad to say, Oh, that’s right.

    I just, I just did that workshop on on AI for content marketers.

    Yeah.

    What’s your question? We can have a conversation about the workshop that you did, because even if I as a speaker didn’t attend, any other sessions can at least, hopefully Remember what I said in my own session, and answer questions for it.

    So that would be again, one of those things that from a context perspective, use that time during the event to ask questions relevant to the event to people who are who are presenting there.

    Again, it’s a good opportunity to do that.

    So those would be my main suggestions.

    prioritize the transient, set up the environment, figure out your burning question, and then ask those questions.

    That question is to as many people as possible and get as much information as you can on your burning question.

    If you’re about to head into an event, like you know, content marketing world, or marketing products, or whatever, and you don’t have your burning question, take the 30 minutes to really boil that down, right to Google some stuff.

    And to get to a point where you’re like, Oh, yeah, this is a question I’ve not been able to find the answer to it will pay dividends for weeks, months, years to come.

    I’ve had burning questions that have given me a couple of years of things to research and work on some great question got follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Succeeding Online Without a Personal Brand?

    You Ask, I Answer: Succeeding Online Without a Personal Brand?

    Alexandra asks, “In your opinion, is it possible to become an expert and succeed online without personal branding?”

    Of course. A personal brand is nothing more than a brand. Can a company have a runaway product without itself becoming a well-known brand? Of course. Consider how many products, services, and companies with strong brands are owned by portfolio brand companies that you’ve never heard of.

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    In today’s episode Alexandra asks, in your opinion, is it possible to become an expert and succeed online without personal branding? Of course, you’ll need to have a personal brand centered around you.

    A personal brand is nothing more than a brand.

    Right? So you can have multiple brands, right? companies do have many, many brands.

    And not all those are well known.

    Consider this.

    How many products and services and companies do you know that have strong brands are owned by a portfolio company that you’ve never heard of? Like? Here’s an example.

    Have you ever heard of sun capital or Golden Gate capital or work capital or JB holding company? Or any of these these major company names? No.

    I’ve never heard of them until I found this graphic.

    But we sure do know their portfolio pieces, right? You may not know some capital, but you probably heard of friendlies at Boston Market and Johnny Rockets.

    You may not know work capital, but you know, Arby’s and Jamba Juice and Auntie Annie’s.

    So this is a really good example of innovation, individual brands that are held by a parent brand that you’ve never heard of.

    Right? So do you need a personal brand? No, you can have collectively, you know, sub brands of things that you work on projects that you that could be well known work that can be well known, and not know the person behind it.

    Right? So can you build a blog that’s really powerful that is not centered around your name and your personality? Yes, absolutely.

    Can you do the same with a podcast or YouTube channel? Absolutely.

    Can you build a product that does really well, and nobody has any idea who’s behind it? Yep, there are so many video games that we know the name of the game, I couldn’t tell you who makes it couldn’t tell you anything about the person, the creator, the creative team, none of that.

    So when you’re thinking about personal branding, when you think about succeeding online or becoming an expert, you don’t need to make it about you.

    In fact, it’s probably better if you don’t make it about you.

    And more about the benefit that you bring, whether it’s your name, or the things that you build.

    In the end, audiences want benefit to themselves, audiences want, you know, faster, better, cheaper, they want to be entertained, they want to be educated to some degree, they want to be engaged, whether that is done through you as a human being, or the work that you create, is irrelevant to the audience.

    And it really should be irrelevant to us as marketers, we should just have something that we’re focused on, we pick something that we’re going to be building, and we build that thing.

    One of the advantages of not making something a personal brand, is that it’s actually easier to sell it, right.

    So if you make a blog, let’s call it the business success blog.

    Right, that’s a lot easier to sell to somebody else than the Christopher Penn block, right? Because the the latter is a personal brand that isn’t really transferable.

    But the business success blog, you can hand that off to anybody, you know, collect your money, and off you go.

    So when you’re thinking about your, your personal success strategy online, what’s the outcome you want? Right? Do you want to be well known as a person? If that’s the case, if that’s the outcome you’re after, then? No, you can’t succeed online without personal branding, because in that case, the success metric is being well known as a personal brand.

    Is your success metric, I want to sell this property I want to, you know, build this property and flip it like an online realtor.

    In that case, you don’t need a personal Brandon’s better than you don’t have one.

    It’s better that you you build the thing to succeed and then flip the thing.

    What goals you have will dictate the path that you choose and there isn’t a right answer.

    There is no one saying you must have a personal brand does it help? Yes.

    Particularly if you are not in the business of you know building online properties and and selling them off or, or marketing them.

    If you are the average person who is looking for something to help their career.

    That’s a case where a personal brand is is useful and we’re a product brand is not if you want to be known well enough that you can find that next job without having to spend the last seven months job searching Then Yeah, in those cases a personal brand helps and being known for the thing that you want to be hired for one of the other things I’ve seen happen is that people will build a personal brand that is not relevant to what they want to get paid to do.

    And as a result, it’s still very hard for them to find a new position, a new partnership, things like that.

    So one of the things you do have to do when you set out for your overall success strategy as a human being is decide, what is it you want to be known for? What is it you want people to call you about? You know, for myself, if you have questions about data analytics, and marketing and stuff, I want you to call me about those things.

    I don’t want you to call me about my cooking recipes, right? I may post things on Instagram for like things I’ve cooked.

    But that’s not what I want to be known for.

    So I’m not going to devote substantial amounts of online real estate to those things, even if they may be entertaining.

    They’re not relevant to the core promise of the brand.

    When we talk about brand, the best definition I’ve ever heard is from z.

    Frank, the entertainer who said, way back in 2006, a brand is the emotional aftertaste of a series of experiences.

    So why it is monarchy jokes.

    That’s why you can sell grandma’s cookies, but you can’t sell old people’s cookies, even though they’re functionally the same thing.

    They have a very different emotional aftertaste.

    So in your building of a brand, what is that emotional aftertaste that someone should have after a series of experiences? That’s one of the reasons why people tend to gravitate towards personal brands, because it’s easy for them to understand the emotional experience that they want to deliver to somebody.

    And it’s intricately tied to who they are as a human being.

    But there’s absolutely nothing that says, that has to be a person right? Again, think about all those brands.

    When you hear a brand like el Sonic or Red Lobster or Auntie Annie’s does it conjure up some sort of emotional experience? You know, maybe Taco Bell? Does that, does that resonate with you in some way? For some people? Yes, there’s I have a very strong emotional reaction to that.

    Now, they may actually start salivating, or other people may conjure very different emotion, like had a bad experience there.

    But either way you’re invoking an emotion.

    So if you’re taking the product branding approach, again, be clear what the emotional experiences that you want people to have, in the end, what the emotional aftertaste people should be left with.

    If with yourself as a person, what do you want people to feel? And what do you want them to feel one day remember you, I when, when they go for recall? Again, if somebody is thinking about a marketing analytics problem, I want them to recall my name.

    I don’t want them to recall my company’s name I there’s an example of two parallel brands that are very closely tied together.

    But if you recall, Trust Insights, and you don’t recall my aim, that’s fine, and vice versa.

    Either way, the brands are going to work together.

    So yes, you can become an expert and succeed online without personal branding, depending on the approach that you’re taking.

    And the outcome that you’re looking for.

    You cannot succeed it.

    You cannot succeed it without a personal brand.

    If your goal is to have a personal brand, it’s just basic logic.

    But you absolutely can succeed.

    If you want to be the the wizard behind the curtain if you will.

    Yeah, follow up questions on this topic, leave them in the comments below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Building a Personal Brand in 2020?

    You Ask, I Answer: Building a Personal Brand in 2020?

    Misha asks, “Do you think it’s easier or harder to build a strong personal brand now than 10 years ago?”

    It’s different but the principles are still the same. On social media, mainstream social media now requires ad spend whereas 10 years ago it didn’t, but tons of niche social networks still provide the same opportunity. SEO is somewhat more competitive but actually values domain expertise now. Measurement is much easier.

    The big question that has remained consistent is: what value do you offer that others need?

    Kevin Kelly from Wired described in 2008 what it takes to be successful – 1000 true fans. That’s a great benchmark for your personal brand. Who can you get to show up?

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    In today’s episode, Misha asks, Do you think it’s easier or harder to build a strong personal brand now than 10 years ago? It’s different, it’s different now than it was 10 years ago, 10 years ago, social media is still relatively new, you know, talking 2010, facebook, facebook was even open to the general public and Twitter was still a thing.

    YouTube was a thing.

    But certainly, Instagram just opened up because they just celebrated the 10 year anniversary.

    So it was easier to be seen as an early adopter of what eventually become some of the major platforms.

    Whereas today, social media, at least on mainstream networks does require you to spend some money right to request some ad spend.

    But today, there are tons of niche social networks that provide the same opportunity, right, you can become well known within a single discord or slack server, you can be on any number of new apps, you know, there’s certainly no shortage of rising Tiktok stars right, but have amassed huge audiences, you can still get a lot of attention for having a really good YouTube channel, it takes time.

    And things like SEO, it’s, it’s more competitive, because there’s just more people online.

    But the way the algorithms have changed, really does reflect and value domain expertise.

    Now more than it did 10 years ago, 10 years ago was, it was mostly a game of SEO tricks.

    Whereas today, those tricks work much less well than they used to.

    So from a tactical perspective, it’s about the same, it’s about the same to build a strong personal brand.

    Measurement of a personal brand is much easier today, much, much easier than it was 10 years ago, 10 years ago, we didn’t even have multi channel attribution models that were generally available.

    Today, that’s something that any person can have inside their Google Analytics, your social media analytics are easier.

    Your brand analytics are much easier.

    The thing that the thing has remained the same.

    And the question that everybody who wants to build a personal brand has to answer that is completely the same as what value do you offer the world? What value do you offer that other people’s need other people need? If you are just another talking head talking in the space, you know, talking to the air, ruminating without any point or any focus? And most of all, any value, then yeah, it’s going to be almost impossible to build a personal brand because nobody needs that.

    Nobody wants that.

    We do live in a more crowded online space than ever before.

    Right? Nobody needs another podcast.

    With the millions of them.

    There are now.

    So what do you offer? What is your value? And not? What is your brand’s value to you? We know everybody understands that part.

    What do you have to offer the world that the world wants and needs? And that’s the question that was true and and tough 10 years ago, it’s the questions tough and true today, what is your value to the world.

    And if you’re not sure, don’t worry about building a personal brand.

    Figure that out first, figure out what you have to offer the world first.

    That is of value that the world needs the world can’t do without and then building the personal brand.

    I don’t want to say it builds itself because it doesn’t but it’s a lot easier to build because you are clear about your message.

    You’re clear about your purpose.

    You are clear about the reasons why somebody would talk to you in terms of measuring your personal brand.

    There was a fantastic essay from 2009 2008 by Kevin Kelly at wired, I think it was at the time who described what it takes to be successful in the new economy and that is you need 1000 true fans now but these are 1000 true fans, these are the people who show up when you say you’re going to do something you’re going to go live you’re going to be doing an Instagram channel takeover, you’re going to be doing this or that.

    And if 1000 people keep showing up for you, you have the ability to make a substantial living right because you have 1000 people to give you 100 bucks a year.

    That’s that’s 100 grand.

    Right That’s that is that’s a living money.

    Especially in other parts of the world where cost of living are lower compared to say, you know, the the the most expensive nations to live in.

    If you have here making $100,000 a year and you’re living in you know below Lee’s or Croatia, or, you know, parts of Malaysia, you’re living like a king, and you are doing super well.

    If you live in Silicon Valley, not so much here in a cardboard box in somebody’s backyard.

    So the question for your personal brand is, how many true fans do you have? And again, this is something that you can tell really easily by appointment setting, right? You say you’re going to go live? Fridays at noon? Right? How many people show up? How many people keep showing up? How many returning users do you have to your website? Right? How many people consistently engage with a post you put up on Facebook or Twitter or wherever.

    If it’s not 1000, the thousand is what to aim for, to provide so much value of that thousand people reliably show up all the time may not be the same thousand, but 1000 people show up reliably all the time.

    And that’s when you know, you’ve you’ve succeeded in building a strong personal brand.

    I’m somewhere in the 35 range, right? So I’ve got a lot of work to do, still to make sure that people show up.

    Right? If you send out an email newsletter, do 1000 people read it, right, do 1000 people click on stuff in it, I’m doing better on that part.

    To give you a sense of what scale that is that you’re talking, you know, you’d probably need like 100,000 audience members to get 1000 people to reliably do something and 1% of that audience.

    So your personal brand.

    It isn’t harder.

    But it requires more forethought.

    Now, it requires more systems, I think.

    And it requires you to constantly be harvesting from from places that aren’t yours.

    So that means getting people on your email newsletter or subscribe to your podcast or the things that you own are under your control.

    It does not mean building, you know, a million followers on Tiktok, you can do that.

    And you should do that if that’s your thing.

    But you don’t own that the same.

    As we said 10 years ago, you don’t own your Twitter account, you don’t own your Facebook page.

    Other companies own those and you have no control over visibility and things like that, which a lot of people found out the hard way when they spent, you know, years and big buckets of money on Facebook trying to build their Facebook pages and then Facebook in 2015 just turn the knobs and said, Okay, now everyone’s got to pay to be seen, no matter how large your following is.

    So 1000 true fans in your in systems you control.

    But yeah, it also comes down to what value do you offer that the world needs that people will seek you out for? And it’s an ongoing thing.

    It’s a living thing your brand 10 years ago should not be the same person today because the world 10 years ago, isn’t the same world as today.

    The World 10 months ago, is not the same world as we live in today.

    There was no pandemic.

    So you choose what you want to be known for, and work on building to that audience base of 1000 true fans.

    That’s how you build a strong personal brand.

    It’s a good question.

    We could spend a lot of time on this, but start there, start there.

    If you have follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: SEO Accessible to Small Businesses?

    You Ask, I Answer: SEO Accessible to Small Businesses?

    Thomas asks, “Is SEO still accessible to small businesses?”

    SEO is a high knowledge discipline. That knowledge is largely free, though some of the tools are not. However, it’s not something that’s both high knowledge and high cost, like search engine marketing (SEM) is. SEO requires three kinds of knowledge: domain expertise, audience knowledge, and technical knowledge.

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    In today’s episode, Thomas asks, Is SEO still accessible to small businesses? It’s a good question because the perception, mostly accurate in digital marketing is that everything requires more budget and more resources to get results.

    Organic social media, for example, gets little to no results for many companies.

    And so it’s become very much a pay to play environment.

    The channels that still don’t require a ton of money, things like email, and things like SEO, SEO is accessible to small businesses, in that it does not require a huge amount of money.

    It is a high knowledge discipline.

    The knowledge to make SEO work is largely free, it requires a lot of time to research.

    And most of the, the tools and SEO are either free or very affordable.

    Certainly for the average small business shelling out, you know, 99 bucks a month for one SEO tool is not completely unreasonable.

    And again, there are many, many tools that are totally free of cost.

    They’re not as good, you get what you pay for.

    But they’re not bad.

    They’re not so bad, they’re inaccessible, they don’t deliver results.

    The challenge with SEO is that the knowledge required to make it work is branches over more than one thing a lot of people think SEO is all about, you know, keywords and optimization and learning search engine tricks.

    And that’s actually not entirely true.

    Seo has three branches of knowledge that you need in order to make it work.

    Well.

    The first branch is the one that people think of the most is the technical knowledge, what do you need to know about search algorithms, and how search engines work, and all the different technical aspects of your website, you know, all your core web vitals and your largest contentful, paint all of the stuff like server optimization and PageSpeed and caching and yes, that is a fairly hefty chunk of SEO, you do need to know the technical aspects and the technical aspects can actually be broken down into like server level page level thing, and all that stuff.

    So there is a decent amount of technical knowledge that you need.

    But again, that knowledge is not necessarily expensive to obtain, at least in terms of, of money cost, it is expensive to obtain in terms of time cost, you do have to do things like you know, read search engine, Landon’s and Search Engine Journal and all these other companies that publish really good information that you have to stay current on alita solace is E newsletter, SEO FOMO is an excellent one, I would recommend anybody interested in SEO, read that newsletter comes out I think, a couple times a week.

    And it’s to wrap up a really good digest of the stuff that’s happened in the search engine world.

    So that’s the first kind of knowledge you need.

    The second kind of knowledge you need is domain expertise, your business and your, your niche, whatever it is, is going to have a lot of stuff in it a lot of knowledge that you need, that will inform your content strategy, and your overall marketing strategy.

    And that should be reflected in your SEO.

    For example, if you are a coffee shop, and you only know how to make like drip coffee, then you’re not going to be creating content about things like say espresso, right, which topically semantically is strongly related to coffee.

    And so having wide domain expertise, thorough domain expertise in your business is essential to understand all the different things that are associated with what you have to sell, and the ways in which people will probably search for them.

    The big thing here is in understanding the demand cycle.

    So a lot of folks with SEO tend to take the very shallow approach either branded, you know, people searching for, say Trust Insights, right, my company or searching for marketing, analytics consulting, right, the very obvious types of demand and those are certainly things that I want to optimize my website for.

    But then there’s a bunch of things that are next to that, right that are indicative of a problem, but not necessarily somebody looking for analytics consulting, somebody looking for like how do I set up channel groupings in Google Analytics right that is something that if you have good domain expertise, you know is a thing you know, is a problem.

    It is not a problem that is directly related to the words you know marketing analytics.

    But absolutely is relevant and part of the discipline.

    So having that domain expertise to know what are all the things that are adjacent to your core business, and which of them are going to drive business to you.

    And the third knowledge is audience knowledge.

    knowing who your audience is, and how they search is really critical.

    If you don’t know how the audience behaves, if you don’t know what they’re likely to type into a search engine, or ask a smart assistant sitting on the desk or talking to their phone, it’s going to be very hard to optimize.

    And so this requires knowledge not only of your domain, but it requires knowledge of things like linguistics, understanding how people use language, somebody who is sitting at their desktop is probably going to type in, you know, analytics consulting, right, very short, terse keyword, somebody talking into the phone, it’s going to say, hey, Google, where’s the nearest coffee shop? To me? That’s open right now.

    Right? And so you’re optimizing for very different things in those cases.

    But you can see how knowing your audience knowing how they search, knowing what they search on, and knowing how those devices change, their behavior is essential.

    And this is why SEO is a high knowledge discipline.

    Is it inaccessible to small businesses? from a financial perspective, no, from a knowledge perspective, the answer is maybe because as every small business owner knows, you only have so many hours in the day.

    Do you have the ability to, if you’re a sole proprietor become an SEO expert? Realistically, maybe it depends on on how much sleep you need.

    If you are a small business, you know two or three or four, or anything out of 10 people, but yes, it is then possible to potentially add that in or bring in a contract or an agency or something to help you out with it.

    So it is still somewhat accessible, is it as easy as it used to be? No, same as with social media marketing, social media marketing used to be very straightforward, you go out there, you’re talking about stuff, you interact with people and and you reap the results of that effort.

    It’s substantially harder now, because of the way the AI algorithms behind social media networks function, you have to have I’m not getting as another high knowledge case.

    So I would say it’s moderately accessible.

    I think, for sole proprietors, it can be very difficult.

    For a small business with no less than 10 employees, it is accessible, if you have the ability to have to task one of your employees to become an SEO expert if if they have that aptitude, and if not, there are certainly a decent number of agencies out there some good some not so good.

    But that is that is more accessible and more realistic.

    Are you going to build the next big thing and become a billion dollar company overnight? Absolutely not not with SEO.

    It is possible to build a business on it.

    But it is also very risky.

    Be very careful about putting all your eggs in one basket, particularly with search algorithms because you may be in favor today.

    It may be out of favor tomorrow and can lose a substantial part of your business overnight literally, and is not under your control.

    So it’s a good question.

    Small businesses should absolutely be part of their marketing mix, but they should not bet the entire farm on it.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Finding Ideal Audience on Twitter?

    You Ask, I Answer: Finding Ideal Audience on Twitter?

    Erika asks, “How do you find your ideal audience on Twitter?”

    Twitter is one of the easiest networks to map and understand. Using techniques like network graphing, you can quickly find the engaged, interested audience you care about for your business, on any topic. Watch the video for an example.

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    In today’s episode, Erica asks, How do you find your ideal audience on Twitter? Well, I guess it depends on how you define an ideal audience.

    But Twitter is one of the easiest networks to map and understand that API is relatively generous with information.

    And it contains information that is incredibly valuable.

    And that information is how different users interact with each other.

    If I tweet at you, Twitter presents data that allows me to map out one part of the network, talk to another part of the network, and vice versa.

    That’s not something that you can get at all out of LinkedIn, can’t get it really out of Facebook, Instagram, you can sorta get it but only if you have access to the Instagram Data API, which not many people do any more.

    Can’t do that on Pinterest.

    So that’s one of the reasons why Twitter forms the backbone of most influencer mapping tools, in fact, arguably a little too much, a little bit too much, because it’s the most visible of networks.

    So what is it that you would look for in an ideal audience, you would look for an audience that is topically relevant, you would look for an audience that is highly engaged.

    And you look for an audience, it’s mostly human, right? That’s those are really the kinds of things that you’d want to be looking for, to understand.

    And follow those folks.

    Because they’re the ones who that would then be interacting with you, and their interactions with you and make you visible to their audiences.

    Right? It’s the whole Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon thing where if you’re visible, and they’re visible, and so on, and so forth, you can be seen by many more people than you might think.

    So how do we find this? Well, let’s switch things around here.

    Let’s move over to our our visual display here.

    The first thing we would need to do, and this is not shown on screen is get the data out of the Twitter API.

    You can do this with social media monitoring tools, I use Talkwalker, you can query the API directly.

    If you have programming skills.

    Once you get that information out of the API, you map it to.

    It’s basically a big spreadsheet of who talks to whom this over and over again, all these different conversations.

    And what you end up with is this kind of chart.

    This is a network graph.

    And this is a bunch of tweet chats about SEO, social media, public relations communications, for the last month, I’m going to go ahead and hit the Run button here.

    And let’s turn off our strong gravity here.

    And what we’re mapping is how people interact with each other and zoom out a little bit.

    And you can see there are some nodes that are bigger, they’re a larger nodes, because those are nodes that people talk to more.

    And there are some nodes that are small will have a lot of outgoing connections.

    Those are very talkative people who are talking to others.

    Right.

    This is also by the way, the backbone of influencer identification, who is the most talked about, right, because whoever’s the most talked about that account clearly has the attention of a lot of people.

    And if your brand your handle whatever was mentioned or talked about by that node, there’s a good chance a lot of people would see it.

    And they’re the right kind of people.

    They’re the kind of people who they are.

    Their team.

    tastemakers, right, they’re mavens, if you want to use the Malcolm Gladwell term, when they talk, everybody listens.

    And so when we’re doing our audience construction, we would want to follow everybody on in this chart here.

    But especially if we can win over those big accounts.

    So let’s go ahead and stop this now that the network is formed and move over to our preview mode.

    And let’s make this look attractive.

    Okay, so now we can see all these different networks.

    Now, if I care more about, say SEO, this green audience is definitely the SEMrush audience and I’d want to follow them and all these people who are in their audience, I care about content marketing, as you see my here.

    There’s an awful lot of you know, this purple ish magenta ish audience.

    Again, folks that didn’t want to spend a lot of time following if I cared about things like communications, public relations, SF Erica and this, this cluster here would be the people to follow.

    So what we see is let’s zoom into the blue cluster here.

    We’ve got some additional folks in this you know, lightest blue cluster, I’m not sure what account they’re most associated with, but we can see those these different communities within the Twitter chat room.

    That would want to engage with follow all the people who are in the green community or the purple community or the great dark gray community.

    Now, you do have us on Twitter, that’s of course not, you would put in the industry search terms of your choice into your social media monitoring tool to extract the raw data out.

    If it’s industrial, concrete, or coffee shops, or b2b, SaaS, firewalls, whatever the thing is, finding your ideal audience is identifying who’s talking about the topic, how they interact with each other.

    And then following the people who are the most interactive in that topic, right.

    That’s how you find your ideal audience.

    Those are, that’s how you make your account grow in a sensible way.

    Because you’re talking about and to the people who are having conversations about your, your topics and keywords.

    This is especially powerful if your industry has terms or words or jargon that other people don’t use, right, I used to work in financial aid.

    And there’s this form that many parents know that nobody likes the FAFSA, the Free Application for Federal Student Aid, that is a term that you don’t use, except in the context of financial aid.

    And so following everybody who uses that term, and then mapping out that conversation cloud and finding who the most influential people about that term would be a great way to very quickly grow an account, say if you were creating a social media account about student loans and financial aid.

    That’s how you do that.

    If you are in email marketing, there are the three protocols SPF dcam, and demark.

    If you were trying to grow an email marketing account, following people who are using those terms, would be a clear and easy way to map out that audience and understand who the big names who are the most talked about in that particular audience.

    So having that jargon, makes it very easy to slice and dice down.

    Same with hashtags.

    If you have a major trade show once a year, taking that trade shows hashtag, and then seeing who’s having conversations, especially this year 2020, when all the shows are virtual, and many are free, you can map out and see people having conversations about a show that they might not have paid to go to in the past, but because it’s free and online this year, you can see those conversations, map them out, and then build your audience from there.

    So that’s how you find your ideal audience.

    Now, the bad news is that this process, there isn’t an off the shelf boxed product, right.

    This is typically something you have to do yourself or hire somebody to do it for you.

    Because it’s connecting three or four different technologies together, gluing them together, and building this map.

    But once you do it, and once you have, you know, you’ve collected the data, you don’t have to do this every single day, right, you can effectively pull up the spreadsheet for this, you get out of it an output that looks just like a any ordinary spreadsheet.

    And with all the different rankings of who’s most important within your your space.

    And that is your starting point, right? You have all the handles, and you can just go through, go down and start following people and see you know how your audience goes based on who follows you back and then it’s up to you to have interactions with these people.

    Right? So the most follow the most engaged folks, you don’t just follow them and expect magic happen.

    You have to go and do the work right? You have to go and engage with people.

    You have to have conversations, share their stuff, everything that you would any public relations professional, but no, it’s like these are the things I need to do to get the attention of the tastemakers in my industry, following them, engaging with them be sharing their stuff, retweeting them, commenting, liking their stuff, all that kind of thing to build your network.

    So that’s the last part of the process is doing the work to engage that ideal audience.

    But this is how you do it.

    If you want to do it as fast as possible and as effective as possible.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: College Degree for Marketing Success?

    You Ask, I Answer: College Degree for Marketing Success?

    Mark asks, “Do you need a college degree to succeed in marketing?”

    Like any profession, success in marketing is about combining knowledge plus practical application to generate experience. How you obtain those pieces is up to you, but for many employers, a college degree is a heuristic they use to screen and judge candidates.

    Generally speaking, you’ll see statements like “or equivalent years of experience” on more progressive job ads. You have to be able to demonstrate that you’re more talented than someone with equivalent educational background.

    One final consideration: more and more of HR is automated. A degree is a simplistic way for systems to filter candidates.

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    In today’s episode Mark asks, Do you need a college degree to succeed in marketing? Well, like any profession, you know, success in marketing is going to be a combination of your academic knowledge, understanding the theory, the frameworks, all the pieces.

    And combining that with practical application, there are plenty of people who have great theoretical background, and can’t do anything.

    There are plenty people who have hard working skills, but have to reinvent the wheel constantly, because they don’t have the academic knowledge to essentially take proven shortcuts to make processes run better.

    How you obtain that combination of academic knowledge and practical experience is up to you.

    A lot of people, the vast majority of people in marketing go the college route, where they take some form of higher education, whether it be a bachelor’s degree, a master’s degree post, baccalaureate certificate, all these different things, to get the academic knowledge and then enter the workforce.

    Now, here’s the catch.

    To the employer, that is a results only work environment.

    Your academic background matters substantially less than can you get the job done, can you deliver the results.

    But for the average hiring manager for the average HR person for the HR systems that are in place that have algorithms screening candidates, a higher education of some form is a heuristic it is a single data point, that it’s easy to make a snap judgment on and that snap judgment allows the person or more and more of the system to shortcut, right to say, Okay, this person has this academic background, they move into the the viable candidate pool, this person does not.

    And the challenge with a lot of these HR is systems is that you don’t really get a chance to make your case because the system has already screened you out.

    Right? You have already been removed from consideration.

    And you don’t know why.

    Right? You don’t necessarily see that.

    Because none of the hrs systems out there will spit out a here’s why you are rejected, right? You would have to follow up with the company and maybe get an answer from them.

    But they themselves may not necessarily know why the system did or did not choose you.

    And if you check out the major vendors in HR, many of them use very sophisticated systems and algorithms for screening candidates to make Candidate Selection easier, particularly in an environment like we have right now recording this on the tail end of 2020, where you have many, many more candidates than you do job openings, right.

    And so you will post up a job opening and get three, four or 500 candidates.

    And the average HR manager does not have the time to do that for you know, the 10 or 15 or 20 job openings they have.

    So the system will do the screening upfront.

    Thus, having that degree does satisfy the system requirements whether or not you’re any good at anything.

    I mean, heck, we all know people that we went to college with who were intellectually not as gifted, right? Who or maybe didn’t work quite so hard as they should have unless you count drinking heavily is working hard.

    But at the end of the day, like the the old joke goes, What do you call the person who graduated last in their in their medical school class who call them doctor right? The person out there in marketing who has the degree even if they’re they got by with a 61.

    Right, they are still they still have a college degree.

    And in a system that is automated, that it looks at a very black and white comparison degree no degree, that person still gets the nod even if they’re completely incompetent.

    more progressive firms will definitely put things like or equivalent years of experience in their job ads, they will say like a four year degree or equivalent experience.

    So you have to be able to demonstrate in those ads that you do have the replacement experience for the college education.

    And that can be a little bit tricky.

    But more than anything, when you are you look at the candidate pool overall.

    And you look at what’s out there, you can see that there is a very strong bias in marketing to have some form of higher education.

    So let’s bring up this data.

    So this is the data from up here.

    This is the data from the iPads integrated post, post secondary education data system from the US Department of Education.

    These are for college degrees in marketing, the percentage share of people out there and what kind of education they have.

    So we see that the bachelor’s degree forms at 4.95% of all the post secondary level the educational status out there.

    And that is that consists of 40,000 people per year, that has gone up substantially.

    Since 2011.

    crank this out, this data only goes to 2017, because the Department of Education does lag up very substantially and their data collection, and we can see that other outcomes master’s degree less than one year post secondary certificate etc.

    Form substantially smaller amounts.

    If you combine a bachelor’s degree and a master’s degree here, 85%, and almost 7%, there’s 92 ish percent of people in marketing have some kind of higher education degree.

    When we look at the non higher education degrees, we have an associate’s degree, which comprises about now three and a half percent.

    And you can see that’s been on a sharp decline since 2013.

    And one to two year post secondary education certificates, which are essentially non the candidate pool there, the number of people is very, very small.

    Right? So what we see is that there is a very strong bias in the marketing profession for people to have that that substantial post secondary education Do you need it to be successful? It depends.

    If you’re planning on working in a larger Corporation, you’re planning on working in a in a larger agency, you probably do need it.

    Right, you probably do need it because you’re going to get screened out.

    If not, if you work at a smaller agency or a startup or things like that, probably not, you won’t need it as much, right? Because those hiring processes tend to be more personal, they tend to be not as automated.

    And you have the ability to at least plead your case, right before a hiring manager, I remember when I went to go work at my first startup in the early 2000s, you know, the hiring process was come in and sit in this shabby little office and, and, and just talk through the things that they had going on.

    And it was a great opportunity to be able to explain my background.

    I do have a higher education degree, but it was not relevant to marketing.

    And we explain how that degree translated or could translate into success for the organization.

    And it did actually a few years later.

    But the point being, you have to find the type of company that is willing to accept a non traditional background, at a non traditional background where you don’t have what the system is looking for.

    If you want to work within the system, the the bigger stuff out there, you need the degree.

    There are other things that a college degree can bring.

    And some people do experience things like alumni networks, and being able to to reach out to people who have that common experience.

    I’ve never had to use that.

    My networking has always been digital in the wonderful world that we live in.

    But there are some people that they rely heavily on that.

    And so that is a benefit potentially, that you could realize from a college education.

    So in short, there’s no conclusive answer as to whether you need a college degree does it help you succeed? Yes.

    Hey, does it help you pass muster from increasingly automated systems? Yes.

    Does it preclude you from success? If you don’t have one? No, but it makes things harder, it makes things more difficult.

    So should you go get one? Here’s the big question, what is the return on investment? Right? If If you go to say you know, a state school or you do two years of community college and finish off your last two years at a state school, and you can graduate with little or no debt? The answer is yes, it is worth it.

    Because you will there there is a clear correlation between level of educational attainment and financial outcome right there is that is without question.

    But if you go and get in, get a bachelor’s degree, and you come out with a quarter million dollars in debt, is that worth it? That is much less clear.

    Right? In the long run, yes, but it makes for a very, very difficult time.

    So if you can be savvy and get the education at a very low cost, then by all means, do so.

    Right.

    Another option for a lot of folks to consider less so during a pandemic but is getting higher educational attainment overseas somewhere at at a non American University for if we’re talking about America here, which has been my background.

    There are plenty of countries that offer very good education even for non citizens at substantially lower costs and at the end of the day, you Have a degree and the degree is no better or worse than the degree from a college in the United States you’ve never heard of.

    But it checks the box on what the system is requiring.

    So that may be something to consider as well.

    Looking for where can you get a decent education at a much lower cost? So the ROI of a college degree is less clear what with tuition and costs being what they are.

    Have a whole lot more to say on this because it used to be my profession for seven years, but say that for another time, do you need a degree? No.

    Does it help? Yes.

    Should you get one only if you can make it cost effective? If you can get strong ROI by not graduating with a ton of debt? You have follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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