Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Data and Model Audits?

    You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Data and Model Audits?

    Jessica asks, “When it comes to training data for marketing AI models, do you think vendors will anonymize/share data sources in the future? Will it be required?”

    It depends on the vendor and the model. The raw data for public models, even de-identified, probably will not be publicly available, but should be made available to auditors. Those auditors could certify that the data used was appropriately representative and free from specific kind of biases. For vendors where we’re paying money to them for marketing artificial intelligence services, we absolutely should be seeing either audited results or deidentified data.

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    In today’s episode, Jessica asks, When it comes to training data for models, do you think vendors will anonymize or shared data sources in the future? Will it be required? It depends on the vendor and the models.

    So within the context of marketing, Ai, marketing, artificial intelligence vendors will be providing us access to various types of AI models, things like lead scoring models, propensity scoring models, deep neural networks, all sorts of stuff.

    And what makes up those models.

    Right now, the trend is very much for companies to say like this is our proprietary, you know, special, whatever.

    And certainly, companies right now are not sharing any kind of information about their models, their complete and total black boxes.

    As regulatory scrutiny continues to ramp up appropriately, it should be ramping up on artificial intelligence.

    What goes into those models should be more transparent.

    So for public datasets, public models, I don’t expect the raw data to be made available even de identified, because a, those companies probably don’t have the ability to share that at such a large scale, we’re talking massive, massive, massive datasets.

    And be if it’s publicly and freely available, you get what you get, is literally, you get what you pay for.

    For vendors where you are paying money to that vendor, for use of their model.

    I think it’s absolutely a reasonable request to either ask for de identified data, or to ask that the company go through an audit.

    Just like we asked companies to go through audits for safety, for diversity, for all these different criteria inside of an RFP, there’s absolutely no reason why adding an audit for the model of a data data from a model wouldn’t be required to be able to say, Okay, I want you auditing firm, you know, KPMG, or whoever, to inspect the data, make sure it’s appropriately representative.

    And free from a specific list of biases.

    You know, if you were to take the list of protected classes, and say, okay, you’re going to auditors, you’re going to go through and inspect the data, to ensure that the model is free from unfair bias ease along with these protected classes.

    And given the list of biases that you’re looking for things that are legally prohibited, all those protected classes age, gender, race, veteran status, disability, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, etc.

    And those are the ones that locks talk about every single auditor would be looking to, to reduce bias on.

    And then also any criteria that you would have for your company, if there are things that your company values that you would look for that are not technically illegal, but you feel are run contrary to your values, you have the auditors inspect that as well.

    Now is a company got to do that for like, you know, a 299 a month SAS model? Probably not, they’re probably gonna tell you find another vendor.

    But for larger models, custom developed things, you know, where you got to pay a company 5060 70,000 a month? Absolutely.

    It’s a reasonable request at that point to say like, yeah, we’re gonna bet our business on this.

    And we’re gonna bet a mission critical system on this company’s model, this vendors model, it had better be free of all these things.

    It’s no different than food, right? You don’t really get a say into the ingredients and a prepackaged food if you want to certify that a food is a certain way, you got to make it yourself.

    Right.

    But vendors working with other vendors absolutely do have to require things like if you specify that food is organic, it has to meet the legal definition of organic and someone certifies that organic food meets those criteria and that is a legally binding requirement.

    So the same thing is true when it comes to these types of models.

    Now are there auditors and vendors doing this today? I don’t know that any of the big shops, you know, ei KPMG, etc.

    I don’t know if they are offering this publicly as a service yet.

    But it will not be long.

    After the first few lawsuits where a company gets in a whole lot of hot water for a biased model, he will become part and parcel of the industry, you know, the auditing industry and it’s appropriate.

    If you wanted to certify it yourself, you absolutely could.

    But again, it would have to be worth the while for a company to, to do so if you’re looking for a facial recognition algorithm that and you’re paying5 a month for the company is not going to tell you whether the data set is biased against people with darker skin.

    But if you’re building a mission critical app on it, you can absolutely say, hey, I need to ensure that this thing is not biased.

    And I’m going to stop paying you, you know, five figures or six figures a month until you do that.

    It all comes down to economics.

    When it comes to your company, if your company is building models or your own plan, and build your models with the assumption that you will be required to, at some point, disclose de identified versions of the data, you obviously have to protect user privacy, you always have to protect people’s identities, especially around protected class data, and personally identifiable information.

    But beyond that, plan, that somebody else will be inspecting your data at some point down the line.

    So make it in a format that is you know, easily machine readable, make it in a format that it can be exported, make it in a format that all your variables are clearly named.

    And obviously named.

    Things like if you’re going to have gender, like have gender not, you know, attribute 56.

    So that you can make the auditing process on your own data as easy as possible.

    And as painless as possible, build with the assumption that somebody else at some point will be taking a look.

    Not necessarily the general public, but an auditor or somebody or somebody like that.

    And make your life easier.

    Future you will thank you future you will thank you for for making the audit process less painful.

    And because it is coming for sure.

    So yeah, that’s where we are with data sources and models.

    Expect auditing.

    Really good question.

    important question for all of us who are working in the industry to keep in mind and we have to build for it.

    As the future comes around to getting to us your follow up questions, leave them in the comment box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Liability for Marketing AI Models?

    You Ask, I Answer: Liability for Marketing AI Models?

    Jessica asks, “Who’s liable for violations in marketing AI models, the company that hires the vendor, or the vendor? Anything in service agreements to look for?”

    Who’s liable when someone uses a tool improperly or illegally? Companies have some responsibility, as we see with product warnings, but the ultimate responsibility – and who gets sued/arrested – is the end user. Many EULAs shift the blame entirely to the user and force users to waive liability entirely.

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    In today’s episode, Jessica asks, who’s liable for violations when it comes to marketing AI models or any artificial intelligence models, the company that hires the vendor or the vendor anything service agreements to look for.

    So artificial intelligence models, some really fancy word for software, right at the end of the day.

    Machines are writing software, but they’re writing their own software.

    But it’s still software is still a piece of software no different than you downloading a copy of, you know, Microsoft Word, or Excel or video game.

    And so the laws that apply to AI models, largely the same as the laws apply to standard software and, frankly, the laws that apply to anything.

    Companies have some level of responsibility when it comes to Product use and misuse to have to warn you of things that are obviously potentially dangerous or misleading.

    You know, when you look at the standard bottle of any kind of medication, it tells you, you know when to use this product directions to take it.

    Don’t take it for these things.

    So there’s this a little bit of responsibility coming out of the company.

    But other things, you know, don’t have those warnings necessarily, because they’re not really needed.

    Like, you look at the job of doing spicy peppers.

    There’s no warning on here it says do not pour in your eyes.

    But people do crazy silly things like you know, tide pods.

    At the end of the day, when it comes to artificial intelligence, who’s liable for the way that a model behaves is ultimately up to the end user if you download a piece of pre trained software pre trained model from Any vendor, and that’s got a bias in it of some kind that is against a protected class and therefore not legal.

    You, the company and the user are responsible for what happens with that.

    Right? You are responsible if you use it and then and this model causes your marketing or your operations or your customer service to discriminate against somebody on a protected class, you are responsible for your actions, you are responsible for it just the same as you know, if you go out and you buy a knife of some kind and you use it in to cause somebody harm, it is not the knife minute manufacturers fault that you did something with the tool that was improper.

    You the user, were the person who did the bad thing, and you are liable for it.

    And that can mean civil liability, like getting sued or can mean criminal liability, like getting arrested.

    When you use any piece of software these days, actually, especially when it comes to the Downloading models and data from other people, other companies, there’s a good chance you sign an End User License Agreement.

    Now whether you read it in its entirety is not the company’s problem.

    But chances are somewhere buried deep within that End User License Agreement is a statement that where you waived all liability and you assume entire responsibility, whole responsibility for what you do with the software.

    Whether or not the software is flawed, whether or not the model is biased.

    Whether or not the training data was any good to begin with or not.

    There is a good chance that you have incurred 100% of the liability especially if you’re getting it from a major commercial vendor like Amazon or Google, or IBM or anybody, there’s a good chance that you are assuming 100% of the risk.

    Now, if you are publishing data sets, if you are publishing pre trained models, you definitely want to talk to Your legal department to effectively do the same like, hey, we’ve done our best.

    And maybe, you know, as as we were talking about, you list the ingredients and where you got the data, its provenance things.

    But you definitely want disclaimers of that, as well to somebody downloads your data, your software, etc.

    Your models, you want to say, hey, we’ve done our best.

    We know there may still be issues in here, but you the user, assume 100% of the liability for how you use this, then you cannot hold us liable if you make a piece of software that discriminate against discriminates against people who are, you know, transgender, guess what, that’s not our fault.

    That’s not our problem.

    from a legal perspective, it is your problem as the user of the software.

    It is your liability for you have to take ownership of your actions.

    In terms of service agreements, you’ve got to read them You’ve got to read them.

    And especially before you pay money to anybody, you’ve got to read them to understand what they are and are not accepting responsibility for.

    And do that due diligence of look inside their documentation to the best extent that you can.

    If you’re going to be paying money to this vendor, you can ask that as part of your due diligence to say, give me your data lineage.

    Give me your data, provenance.

    Give me your model governance.

    Show me how you’re keeping the model from drifting Show me.

    Any known issues, you know, just like you buy a house.

    Yeah, have a house Inspector, and they come in and tell you Oh, yeah, it looks like there’s a leak there.

    Like it’s old, but there’s definitely a was a leak there.

    And that’s out of out of code.

    You want to do that same level of due diligence with any models or software that you’re working with to say to the vendor.

    Hey, tell What you’re known issues are disclose any material conditions that could cause issues at the vendor says we don’t have that documentation.

    No, sorry, we don’t have that.

    Don’t do business with them.

    The same as they said, Oh, we our model is totally fine.

    There’s absolutely no bias in it.

    So we don’t have that documentation.

    Okay, that means you didn’t do any checking, because almost every model a data set has some kind of bias in it, whether it’s material or not, meaning has constant is consequential or not is is secondary, but even in the the weekly newsletter, I publish to the Trust Insights newsletter, whenever we publish a study we disclose the methodology and say like, you know, for example, with SEO, this is limited to the English language.

    So it automatically has a bias in it is that bias material, maybe, maybe not.

    But if every vendor who publishes any kind of data models, algorithms, should be saying these are the nodes biases in here.

    take that with a grain of salt, right? If If you feel like the data set needs to have more than just the English language and for SEO, then our data would not be helpful to you.

    Right? There’s that disclosing of known biases, that’s the sign of a more mature vendor.

    they’ve they’ve got their documentation order, they got the disclosures in order.

    They’ve told you what they know is wrong.

    And it’s up to you to decide whether those things are important to you or not.

    So, really good question on liability at the end of the day, remember, it comes down to the the tool manufacturer is not responsible for what you do with the tool.

    You can do good things with it, you can do bad things with it, but at the end of the day, they’re not liable for you are so that’s the rule to keep in mind.

    Has any of this been settled in court? Not that I know of but I also have not done a whole lot of checking on fine law but based on existing software, Law based on existing general liability law and what and I’m not a lawyer and disclosure, I’m not a lawyer, check with your own legal counsel.

    I don’t think aliens has come up in court yet.

    I’m sure it will at some point and it based on existing law, the courts are likely to rule that unless you were intentionally negligent or willful in the creation of your model, that you’re the software manufacturer is probably not responsible for it.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Vetting Marketing AI Vendors for Bias?

    You Ask, I Answer: Vetting Marketing AI Vendors for Bias?

    Tracy asks, “What are some questions you should ask vendors to better understand what data they use in their algorithms to make sure it’s not biased?”

    It’s not just questions we need to ask. Consider checking for bias to be like any other audit or due diligence. We will want to investigate the 6 main areas where bias creeps in: people, strategy, data, algorithm, model, and action/deployment. How do you do this? A lot of it comes down to vendors producing documentation. If they can’t, there’s likely a problem.

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    In today’s episode Tracy asks, what are some questions you should ask vendors to better understand what data they use in their algorithms to make sure it’s not biased? So it’s not a question.

    Well, it’s just questions we need to ask.

    bias is like any other any other professional vetting that you want to do in that there are things to look for, and things to request from a vendor in the same way that you would vet a vendor for equal opportunity, employment for non discrimination for fiduciary responsibility.

    There are so many different aspects to auditing and doing your due diligence on a company and checking for bias and artificial intelligence and machine learning models really shouldn’t be any different than checking to see if a vendor is You know, title seven compliant, right? If the vendor discriminates against people in hiring, you probably would want to do that.

    Know that, you know, when you look at any of these audit forms you’re required to fill out if you’ve ever been through a corporate audit or delightfully fun.

    But there are lots of questions about, you know, what’s your process around hiring, what’s your process around alignment to the Equal Opportunity Employment Act, all these different ways to look for problems.

    When it comes to bias in AI and dealing with vendors, it’s important to understand what kinds of bias to look for there’s six places you want to look for it and we’ve got other videos in the show.

    If you want to head over to the YouTube channel, you can see better definitions and stuff but the six areas we’ll bring this up here, the six areas where bias creeps in, in AI and machine learning are people strategy, data, algorithms, models and actions as So let’s talk about each one of these as it relates to a vendor.

    Number one people is easy.

    Who is has been hired? Right? Who are the people working on the models and algorithms? Who are the people building the software? If you look at the development team, or the engineering team, and you see a complete lack of diversity, there’s probably going to be a problem, right? Even if it’s not intentional, just having a monolithic view of the world, if it’s a bunch of, you know, say 20, mid 20s, Caucasian males, that’s your whole development team.

    They have a natural mindset that does not include people who are black because they’re not in their experience, right? It’s not saying that they’re, they’re bad people, just they simply do not have experience if none of them are female.

    They have no frame of reference for things that females people who identify as female might be interested in, right? So that’s an easy one.

    Look at the people look at the composition of the people.

    Look at the diversity of the people and if you don’t see any diversity, you know, there’s a problem.

    This, by the way applies not just to AI and machine learning, but to every vendor.

    If you’re hiring like a PR agency, go to that agency’s leadership team.

    If you see a whole bunch of people who look exactly the same, there’s a diversity problem there is, which means there’s a diversity of ideas problem.

    second strategy is where bias can creep in, what is this the the strategy that somebody’s going for? Really good example of this.

    Facebook has a strategy of engagement, right? They care about getting eyeballs stuck to their site, which means their algorithms tend to promote things that keep people engaged, like making people angry and afraid all the time.

    And so they’re, the outcomes from that strategy have been, as we’ve all seen, pretty substantially negative, right? We’ve seen a flourishing of hate groups and all these things because that’s the strategy did They intend to allow like Nazi groups to flourish? Probably not.

    But is a natural outcome of an incomplete strategy or strategy that was not informed by a diverse set of objectives.

    Yes.

    Third, data bias creeps in, in data.

    Where did the data come from? Right, where this is what’s called Data lineage or data provenance.

    How good is the data? Is the data itself balanced? Is it representative IBM has a fantastic toolkit called the IBM fairness 360 toolkit.

    If you’re fluent in Python, you can download this for free, run it on your data, declare any protected classes things like age, gender, veteran status, disability, sexual orientation, gender, identity, race, religion, and in your data, it will then say hey, this model does not look representative or this model has a lot of drift or this model is the state is likely to behave badly.

    So checking your data To the lineage of the data is important where the data come from.

    If your data came from sources that themselves are biased, that can be a big problem, for example, black American healthcare, all the data is wrong, right? Because of systemic racism, you cannot get really good large scale data on black American healthcare because there isn’t good data.

    systemic discrimination has created an entire pool of corrupted data.

    Number four algorithms.

    So the algorithms are the individual choices that you make, for what your models going to do, what strategy you’re going to pursue from an algorithm point of view.

    This is things like deciding if you’re going through a gradient boosting now or generalized linear regressions, all these different choices.

    Bias can creep in here because if you have somebody who doesn’t understand the full objectives and doesn’t have a background in diversity, they may choose a competition.

    efficient algorithm, but not necessarily one that is fair.

    So this would be a case for example of using something like a straight up a gradient boosting model versus something like Pareto multi objective optimization.

    The algorithms are very different.

    Pareto optimization allows you to essentially do what’s called trade off analytics, you will get a less well performing model but it it performs against, you know, many many different objectives as opposed to one objective kind of like what Facebook versus like LinkedIn how they function, they function very differently because of their optimization algorithms.

    Number five, the model itself the model can drift.

    The model when it takes in data as it takes in new data over time, it can drift the most famous example this is the Microsoft tape chat bot, which was corrupted by trolls basically, within 24 hours, it became a porn spewing neo nazi chatbot It was a train properly, but it drifted and drifted it didn’t have guardrails to keep it on the rails.

    So that’s a place where bias can creep in.

    And last is the actions.

    What do you do with the model? Right? What do you wear? What are you going to use this model for? This is a good example of this is a martech vendor I saw that was effectively reinvented redlining, right they they built a tool to identify ideal customers, and it reinvented redlining.

    And so bias crept in and in what their model was going, they’re going to do with the model.

    So that’s a very short period of time at all the places that bias can creep in, throughout the process.

    When you’re auditing vendors, when you’re doing your due diligence, ask them for their documentation about how they prevent bias in each of these areas, right.

    You would not get on a plane.

    If you walked in the cockpit and you saw there was no quick reference handbook.

    There was no preflight checklist and you know, the pilots are just kind of winging it right? They do not get on that plane.

    Because that is an unsafe play, and there’s no documentation, there’s no process, there’s no validation that things are working as they should be.

    The same is true with AI and bias, right? If a company has no documentation, no processes, no rigor, no checking for bias in each of these areas with real checklists, like real document checklists, here’s the bullet points that we look for at each stage of our projects, then there’s a good chance by scrapped in, and in turn, that means there’s a good chance that the what they produce is also biased too.

    So look for those ask for those as part of your process, and if they can’t produce it, probably a problem.

    Right? That’s the the easiest way to vet a vendor, ask them for the documentation called part of compliance or whatever.

    And the vendors themselves should recognize that if they don’t have this, they themselves are at legal risk, right because they can’t prove then they’re not biased.

    So, great question.

    We could spend a whole lot of time on this.

    Great question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Difference Between Fair and Unfair Bias?

    You Ask, I Answer: Difference Between Fair and Unfair Bias?

    Gianna asks, “What’s the difference between fair and unfair bias? What’s the fine line?”

    Fair and unfair comes down to two simple things: laws and values. Statistical bias is when your sample deviates from the population you’re sampling from. Bias isn’t inherently bad unless it crosses one of those two lines.

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    In today’s episode, john asks, What’s the difference between fair and unfair bias? What’s the fine line? So fair and unfair bias really comes down to two simple things, two very straightforward things, laws and values.

    So before you deploy any kind of models, or build any kind of artificial intelligence systems, you need to understand what bias is.

    bias is when your sample your data, your whatever it is you’re working with, in some way statistically deviates from the population you’re sampling from.

    And bias doesn’t necessarily have to be good or bad.

    It just is.

    It’s a mathematical concept, at least in the context that we’re using it here there’s human bias, which is totally separate from statistical bias.

    For example, you may want to sell your product to people who have higher incomes.

    Right? That is allowed.

    Certainly, it makes logical sense.

    And income is one of those things that’s, you know, under somebody’s control to a degree whereas, say their race, they are not under any control of it, they have absolutely no choice in what race they are.

    They have no choice in what age they are, etc.

    So, when you’re talking about what’s fair and unfair, we’re talking about, are we building tools that disadvantage, a population on in some way that is either against the law or against our values, and the two may not necessarily always agree, there are plenty of things that you may decide as a company or as an individual, are unacceptable to your values, even if they are technically legal.

    Right.

    You may decide you don’t want to say include, gosh, firearms owners or coffee drinkers.

    From a, you know, doing business with you, and that’s totally fine because neither of those things are what’s called a protected class.

    protected classes are and this depends on where you live where you work where you do business, the laws change from principality.

    protected classes are attributes that are protected under law.

    In the United States, for example, age, gender, sexual identity or gender identity, sexual orientation, race, religion, religion, and credo are protected, veteran status, disability, these are all things that you may not discriminate on and have been held up in court.

    Any number of times to say these are not permissible things to discriminate on.

    And so when we talk about fair and unfair bias we are talking about does your software which is what an AI model is does your software in some way disadvantage.

    What people on one of these attributes, if your software says that, you know, we’re only going to show our products to white people, that would be illegal, that would be a, a, an unfair bias along a protected class.

    And again, you may have values that add additional things that you don’t want to discriminate on that you don’t want to advantage or disadvantage somebody on.

    Likewise, you bias is also something that where you advantage in one group of people over everybody else, so it doesn’t have to disadvantage one group, it can just it can disadvantage everybody except one group.

    So bias isn’t inherently bad unless it crosses the lines of laws and values.

    Now where this gets into trouble for AI and machine learning and data science is not necessarily in the protected classes, not even necessarily in the ethics and values, but in how machines use data.

    And, in particular, this is deals with correlates.

    So a Carla is when you have a variable or a group of variables that behave very similarly.

    So there is a strong correlate in, at least in America, for example, between income and race, there is the, the more of a certain race you are, the more probably your incomes higher or lower.

    And so if we’re building a machine learning model, say to only be able to demonstrate to show our ad or our system for our, you know, what we want for customers or who gets in line, who gets privilege treatment.

    And we’re doing it on income level, we are potentially also discriminating on a protected class, right? Because, again, there’s a strong correlation between race and income.

    So one of the biggest challenges that folks in the machine learning and AI space need to be addressing is doing things, you know, doing matching doing propensity scoring, doing regression analysis that demonstrates that the algorithm is discriminating on things that are permissible and is not discriminating on things that are not permissible.

    So, for example, if I’m selling high end coffee, right.

    And I want to discriminate on income level, which is permissible.

    I also have to be able to demonstrate through statistical testing, that, say, a black family with the same income level as a white family is just as likely to be shown our ad as the white family, right.

    Being able to say like race in this case is not a discriminating factor.

    Like if you are black and you have above a certain income level.

    You are just as eligible just to see our ads.

    If, but what will happen in a lot of cases is that people don’t do this testing.

    People don’t do this inspection of their own.

    And the outcomes, and they end up discriminating.

    And whether or not the intent was to discriminate does not matter, it’s whether you actually did.

    Because in a court of law, you will be held accountable for your actions.

    It’s like, you know, I didn’t mean to hit that guy with a hammer, I just hit them with a hammer really hard, I’ll know does doesn’t mean intent means nothing, you hit the guy with a hammer.

    The same thing is true here, where you may not have intended to discriminate along racial lines, or gender identity lines or veteran status, but you did, and you were liable for it.

    So a huge part of the work in AI and machine learning is to know to look for bias to test for it.

    And then to test for correlates to things that are not allowed things are out of alignment, the laws and values.

    And this requires money and time because these are expensive processes to go through and essentially deconstruct a machine learning model to understand how it’s making its decisions.

    And it requires a willingness to do so.

    Now, if the company you’re working for or the project you’re working on, the stakeholders say, No, we don’t want to do that, then at that point, you are personally liable for outcomes.

    Because at best point you may have said, I know there’s a potential problem, I know that we may be doing something wrong.

    If you don’t take action to correct it.

    You’re by definition an accomplice.

    So be aware of that.

    But a lot of what’s happening in machine learning really comes down to those correlates.

    And you just have to test for them you have to investigate, you have to know that there could be a problem.

    And that brings me to my last point.

    You have to be asking these questions of your models.

    Do not assume that the software knows to look for bias because most software out there a few notebooks options like IBM Watson Studio Studio do know to look for it.

    But most software doesn’t.

    Certainly anything you code yourself does not inherently do that unless you put it in.

    So you need to be building that in as a process in your systems so that you are looking for fairness, you’re looking for unfairness, you’re looking for discrimination from the get go.

    And that can happen in the data that can happen to the people you hire to work on the data.

    It can happen in the model.

    And it can happen in the model after deployment, where you get something called model drift where the model starts behaving in ways you didn’t intend it to.

    So looking for unfair bias isn’t something to do one time it is an ongoing process when you’re working with machine learning tools.

    So really good question.

    Where’s a lot to unpack here.

    There’s a lot to talk about when it comes to bias in machine learning, and AI, and in general, but these are things you must be aware of in order to reduce your risk to reduce your liability to reduce the likelihood that you get sued for You know, thousands or millions of dollars? Your follow up questions even in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Data and Trustworthiness?

    You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Data and Trustworthiness?

    Ashley asks, “If you choose to use public datasets for your ML models, like from Amazon or Google, can you trust that those are free of bias?”

    Can you trust a nutrition label on a food product? The analogy is the same. What’s in the box is important, but what went into the box is also important. Trust is also proportional to risk.

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    In today’s episode, Ashley asks, If you choose to use public datasets for your machine learning models, like from Amazon or Google, can you trust that those are free of bias? Hmm.

    Well, so there’s a couple different things here.

    companies like Amazon and Google don’t typically offer data sets.

    What they do offer are either models or API’s of some kinds.

    So Amazon, for example, has recognition and sage maker and all these things.

    These have API’s behind them.

    They have pre trained models.

    Google, many of the services in Google Cloud perform the same way.

    For example, Google speech to text, things like that.

    Google also does release actual models themselves, like the T five transformer library, which you can install into like Google colab or your local Python environment and use their pre trained models.

    And then there Yes, For example, Google datasets does offered raw data.

    Now, let’s talk about that.

    Can you trust that these are free of bias? In a word? No.

    In order you cannot blindly trust anyone’s machine learning models data is to be free of bias because you don’t know what’s in it.

    So as an analogy, suppose that you have a jar of jalapenos, right? A nutrition label that has five calories per serving.

    And what would I expect to see in this jar jalapenos, right as an ingredient and probably vinegar and water, right? Because that’s maybe some salt.

    That’s what’s in here.

    Can I trust that if I just look the label alone that that’s what I’m getting? Well, when I look at this, I go to jalapenos water vinegar, salt, dehydrated onions, dehydrated garlic, calcium chloride is a firming agent.

    sodium benzoate.

    is a preservative polysorbate 80 which is that in their tumeric for color, why is polysorbate 80 in here, you don’t need an emulsifier For, for peppers in a jar anyway.

    Can I trust? What’s on the label? Can I trust that what’s on the label is is accurate.

    For example, we had a dolloping, where they jalapenos grown, where they grown free of most no harmful pesticides.

    This case this jar is not labeled organic, so probably not.

    On the other hand, if you were in the EU and you had this exact same product, could you trust that it was free of pesticides? Yes, much more so because EU regulations for foods are much more stringent than the United States.

    The same analogy applies to machine learning and data science.

    What the model says is important but also what went into the model to make the model is just as important to be free of bias to be free of both kinds of bias both human and statistical.

    There are for example, any number of cases Is of bias that was unintentional.

    Somebody did not mean for the dataset to be biased or did not mean for their mouth to be biased, but it was because they didn’t do any due diligence when putting it together.

    Most probably famous case of this is Amazon when it attempted to build a hiring AI to screen resumes.

    They trained it.

    They weren’t looking for bias, and the model stopped hiring women.

    Right? Because nobody did any checks.

    So what’s the solution? Can you build from these systems and trust them? Well, there’s two different ways to handle this first.

    The first is to build your own model, which is expensive and time consuming, but it is the only guarantee that the data going into it is trustworthy because you will have vetted it and made it trustworthy and tested it.

    If you are somewhat familiar with Python.

    IBM has the fairness 360 toolkit which is a phenomenal toolkit, totally free, totally free to test datasets for bias.

    And if you are building your own model, you would use that to validate your data before the model is constructed.

    And then you can be reasonably sure that your model is free of at least of data going in being biased, you do still have to monitor it, you still do have to have for example, the protected classes that you’re monitoring for declared.

    And you still do have to ensure that the model when it’s running is not drifting out of the rails that you set for it the guardrails.

    For example, if you said that you know, gender must be 5050 split for 4040 1040 4020 then you would have to monitor and say okay, how far outside is acceptable, you know, is a 1% drift acceptable is a 5% drift is acceptable At what point To say, Hey, we need to either ran the model back and retrain it, or balance it in some way to get it back on the rails.

    So that’s one aspect is the, you have to build it yourself and train it and monitor it to is a risk judgment.

    Try trusting a model is proportional to the risk that you’re incurring with the model.

    So, if I am building a machine learning model to recognize sentiment in tweets, how vitally important is that going to be? No one’s probably going to die.

    If I’m using it for like social media engagement monitoring, probably nobody’s going to die.

    I might make some bad judgment calls, I could cause some damage to a brand.

    But for the most part, it’s not super serious.

    On the other hand, if I am producing, say, a new vaccine it had better be really, really, really biased It better be really representative had a better be really any model I built to try and assess the efficacy of something or identify a drug candidate had better be pristine and it’s freedom from bias because it could actually kill people right the risk level is substantially higher.

    So, the the standards that we must hold that model to are much more stringent facial recognition for say like at a tradeshow booth, relatively low risk, right if you miss identify somebody for you know, as as a gimmick to attract people to your tradeshow booth, not huge facial identification being misused by police, big deal, a life threatening deal.

    So you had You’d better make sure that that model is properly trained and unbiased.

    So that’s how to evaluate you know a lot of these models and data sets and pre trained models and API’s from major vendors.

    Is was level of risk and what is or consequences if it gets it wrong.

    Bear in mind that an awful lot of machine learning models are biased especially in facial recognition.

    And in natural language processing.

    Natural Language Processing has a lot of hidden biases, the most obvious one of which is most of them are trained on the English language and English is, I forget who said it is a language of privilege.

    It is the language of the wealthier part of the world.

    It is not the majority language in the world.

    And there are many, many, many, many billions of people who speak other languages.

    And many of our machine learning models are not well suited to recognizing or processing those models.

    And if you think some of the things that AI does with English are hilarious, you should see what they do to other languages.

    When you give that some consideration and who speaks English and what race they are, and what gender they are, and what income level they are, what ethnicity they are, what religion they are.

    You can see how even something as simple as using the English language could introduce biases into your models.

    So keep that in mind.

    It’s all about trust and risk.

    How much trust Do you need in the model? How high is the risk, and that dictates whether you should be training your own versus using a third parties.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Most Common Biases in Marketing AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: Most Common Biases in Marketing AI?

    Elizabeth asks, “What’s the most common type of bias you see that we as marketers should be aware of?”

    There are so many to choose from, but I’ll start with two: confirmation bias, and selection bias. Confirmation bias corrupts the entire process by looking for a result that fits a predetermined conclusion. Selection bias corrupts the entire process by failing to represent the population you’ve said you’re studying. Watch the video for more details.

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    In today’s episode, Elizabeth asks, What’s the most common type of bias that you see that we as marketers should be aware of? Gosh, there’s so many to choose from.

    Um I’ll start with two of these.

    Because these are the two that again, are probably the most common and things that people don’t think about.

    The first is confirmation bias.

    So confirmation bias, pretty simply is when you start any kind of data science or AI project with a intending to look for a result that fits a predetermined conclusion.

    And you see this a ton in research studies especially.

    But obviously it can extend to building models which are nothing but software based on data is simple.

    Example this, let’s say you’re a SaaS based company, right? And you sell, I don’t know, photo editing services, make something up.

    And you want to promote your services.

    So you build a predictive model that has the marketing goal of telling people, they should edit their photos more.

    Right? You do some market research and all this stuff.

    And of course, you come up with a conclusion that yes, people should edit their photos, a lot more mail, better edited photos, perform better on social media, and you create an algorithm that predicts If only you had edited this photo, it would have earned this much more engagement.

    Now.

    That’s kind of a silly example.

    But you can see how that particular bias corrupts everything.

    Because you are working towards a predetermined conclusion rather than building a model that is truly open to being asked.

    trained and can yield results that frankly might not support your business.

    Right? Again, you see this most often in research.

    There used to be a company not too far from here in the Boston area that would sell this as a service.

    They were, they were sort of the antithesis of good research.

    Yeah.

    They say, hey, you want to prove whatever thing you know, hire our services, we’ll come up with a statistically validated way that proves your thing.

    And anytime, you know, once, once that was known, anytime you saw that company’s name in the in the methodology, if it was even listed, you know, yep, that survey is completely invalid.

    You know, that they, the company that sponsored it bought the result that they wanted, and it ruined the research company’s credibility, and it ruins the credibility of any company that uses that research company.

    So that’s probably the first one that one is relatively easy to spot inside your own organization because your VP of marketing or CEO or somebody says, Hey, I need something that does this.

    That’s not how research works.

    That’s not how good models work either.

    Because one of the things that will happen is that if you are willing to tolerate bias, like that conscious bias in your model, and you are willing to tolerate biases that are discriminatory, that’s going to get your butt kicked over time.

    Second, is selection bias.

    And this corrupts the process because it is a bias that exists your data set that does not represent the population as a whole.

    And so you’re using data that is inherently skewed in some way, consciously or unconsciously.

    And it does not represent whatever population you’re trying to serve.

    So simple example number of years ago Hubspot did a research study saying, you know, we, they made some claims about inbound marketing, which is their thing.

    And when you look at the methodology that says we emailed it was a survey and we emailed our list of you know, however many people we can see the problem here.

    You can’t make a survey that claims to represent all marketers based on your own email list.

    Because people who are on your email list inherently have a greater affinity towards your products and services.

    Right HubSpot was all about and still is about inbound marketing.

    Naturally, somebody who subscribed to their email list probably has at least some passing interest in inbound marketing.

    And as a result, you have a survey that is biased towards people who like inbound marketing and so to make a claim that this represents all views of all marketers is incorrect because there’s this whole group of people out there, not on their email list who probably don’t give too much.

    Have a have a fish at non animal market, they don’t care.

    They don’t it’s not their thing.

    And so their views are not being represented in the survey methodology because it was it was they were selected out.

    Right.

    They were not part of that population.

    Now.

    What could that have certainly have represented.

    You could have certainly said all marketers who are in the HubSpot audience, believe this and that would be valid.

    Right? When you’re collecting data for data science and AI projects, the same thing applies if you are collecting data from a specific focus group that you selected.

    Did you select a group that was representative of your audience as a whole and b2c? That means balancing against things like age, gender, physical location where that person is other demographics.

    This is one of those rare cases where you should be using protected classes like race Gender Identity etc to make sure that you are balanced against the actual population that you don’t have a non representative sample on b2b.

    You’d be looking at things like a balance of companies by size by revenue, number of employees.

    industry, and it should look like the the balance of as a whole.

    So if you do a survey, and your initial data pool comes from 61% technology companies come technology companies just make up 61% of the global economy or even one country’s economy.

    They represent, you know, typically a much lower slice, depending on the metric you choose on.

    So you would want to be sure that you are balancing your dataset to represent the population that you’re claiming to study.

    And selection bias tends to selection bias is not As intentional as confirmation bias confirmation biases, I want to put my thumb on the scale.

    And I want it to say this, which is just a horrendous thing to do.

    selection bias happens more often than not because of naivety, a naive researcher or marketer, or data scientist will just do something and not think, am I balanced? And that’s something that you can solve with things like checklists like did you balance this dataset? Did you balance the input collection methods? Are you Are you truly representative? Have you checked? Have you validated that your data is representative? If you can solve for both of these biases, your data will inherently across the spectrum of the ways that use data from market research data science and analysis projects to AI models will inherently get better.

    It may not deliver the results you’re expecting.

    Particularly if you have a preordained conclusion in mind.

    Even if you keep your processes clean.

    But it will be better.

    It’ll be objectively better data.

    And if you’re using that data to make decisions which you should be, you will make better decisions.

    So really good question.

    There’s a whole bunch of other biases.

    And there’s, there’s a difference between a statistical bias and a human bias that we’ll leave for another time.

    But these are the, I would say the two most common statistical biases that we see in data science and AI, you know, follow up questions, leave in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Data Democratization and AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: Data Democratization and AI?

    Jim asks, “I am skeptical of data democratization because the average decision maker does not understand data collection, transformation, integration etc. Doesn’t AI make this an even bigger problem?”

    It depends on how abstracted the decision-maker is. Certainly the pandemic has shown us the general population is completely incapable of parsing even basic scientific data, like why you should wear a mask. So the question is, who’s working on the AI?

    If AI systems are left in the hands of legitimate experts, it could potentially improve things. For example, IBM Watson Studio has bias detection built in at multiple levels, so the tooling can potentially improve our work – or at least make it easier to audit. On the other hand, if you have the 6-week crash course folks building models, then yes, it could make things much worse.

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    In today’s episode, Jim asks, I am skeptical of data democratization because the average decision maker does not understand data collection, transformation, integration, etc.

    Doesn’t AI make this an even bigger problem? So, let’s first quickly define data.

    democratization is the ability for anybody to be able to work with data hence the term democratization.

    Just like new media, a podcasting and blogging was the democratization of media the ability for anybody to make a podcast anybody to make a blog as such.

    And data democratization has been something that has been on technology companies radar for a really long time.

    My my whole start working with IBM, years ago, was around Watson Analytics, the idea of the citizen analysts as the average person who could pick up some good tooling data set and generate some usable insights didn’t work out so well.

    And to Jim’s point, the reason it didn’t work out so well is because data analysis even though it sounds simple, isn’t there are a lot of pitfalls.

    There are a lot of gotchas.

    There are a lot of things that are not taught well and poorly emphasized when people start working with data things like margins of error and statistical relevance, statistical validity.

    All these things are things that in a laypersons experimentation with with data and math and, and statistics and such, don’t really get covered.

    People have a tendency to approach things in a very naive fashion which is normal.

    And they pick up a tool they run a basic analysis they haha I’ve got the answer.

    You can You can tell how expert somebody is in the realms of mathematics and statistics by how many shades of grey? their answers come with, right? The beginning person is like, this is the answer.

    You know, the extra person is like, well, there’s a whole bunch of reasons why this may or may not be the answer.

    And we’re not really sure.

    We can give you probabilities, we can give you a sense of reliability or not in the data, but for the most part, it’s not as cut and dried as you think.

    Right.

    And those are the answers people hate.

    People hate those answers.

    And that’s why data democratization hasn’t worked out so well, because there are a whole bunch of people who want the answer.

    And the answer doesn’t exist, there could be a range of answers.

    So does AI make this worse? Well, it depends on how abstracted the decision maker or the the AI tool user is from the tools themselves.

    Certainly, the pandemic In particular, has shown us that the general population is completely incapable of parsing even basic scientific data like why to wear a mask? Sorry.

    It’s true.

    People couldn’t get understand even the most basic scientific facts and data points and make good decisions from them.

    So the question then is, does AI make this worse or an even bigger problem? It depends on who’s working on the AI.

    It depends on who’s working on the models.

    If you hand somebody a piece of fully polished software, a model of some kind of, they can’t really tinker with the innards.

    They can only use it for its intended purpose.

    The likelihood that it goes off the rails is lower.

    If it’s good software than somebody say, picking up Python and just trying to hand it copying and pasting the code randomly from Stack Exchange.

    If AI is left in the hands of legitimate experts, it could potentially improve things IBM Watson Studio is introducing bias detection at multiple levels in the process from data intake, to model to model drift, right? And it puts a big old warning saying like, Hey, your models drifted more than 6%, or Hey, your models drifting on this protected class, I should probably not do that.

    And so in those instances where the the, the person who’s working on the system has to stay within the boundaries of a well trained system and has to obey the warnings that it gives, yes, ai could potentially improve our work and potentially reduce some of the problems that come with data democratization.

    On the other hand, if you get that, you know, six week Crash Course a person who, you know, took the six week crash course in AI certificate.

    Yeah, I could make things a lot worse because that person doesn’t have the background in data science doesn’t have the background in stats and probability.

    Probably It is a generalization, but probably doesn’t have that level of background and that level of experience of just having models go off the rails.

    And without a mentor without somebody more experienced to guide them, it could make things a lot worse I was having a conversation with a of a founder of a startup a few weeks ago, was talking about how there’s got all these sophisticated models are working on building and you know, you had a friend of his from college, they just both graduate from college, you know, they’re gonna engineering these models and have some experience in it.

    And I said, Okay, tell me about how you’re doing bias detection.

    Tell me about who on the team has the most experience with ethics and data ethics and he’s like, a, like, Okay, so this is gonna go off the rails pretty quick.

    I said that you need to be building into your product.

    Things like monitoring for model drift.

    Things like looking for ethical problems, things like that would you know, fail you on a basic ethics audit.

    This was news to the person.

    So in that instance, where you have a bunch of people who are inexperienced with AI, trying to deploy it, yes, AI is going to make those problems of data democratization even worse, because these are people who don’t know what they’re doing.

    On the other hand, you get somebody who has, you know, 510 15 years of experience.

    In working with datasets, knowing when a data set is imbalanced knowing when a p value has gone off the rails knowing how to do a two tailed t test.

    In those cases, the person who’s building the system will probably do okay, and will make a system that is hard for other people to screw up.

    So it really comes down to which is going to deliver a good outcome a good long term outcome.

    One of the dangers In AI, particularly round bias is that a system with no constraints will perform better, it will do things that you do not want it doing well.

    It’ll behave in unethical ways.

    But it will, in the short term deliver better results.

    a longer term assistant built for the long term will make trade offs and say like, yeah, we don’t want bias on gender identity, we don’t want bias on race.

    And the system will have to sacrifice some levels of performance, the model’s ability to generate the top nine performance in order to meet those competing objectives.

    But that’s exactly the kind of caution and care and attention to detail that you want.

    So will AI make data democratization worse, potentially? Will it make it better potentially all depends on who’s steering the ship? How do we help people steer the ship better? give them that list of questions the pickup Dr.

    Hilary Mason’s free book Ethics and data science has got a ton of great checklists in it about questions you should ask before starting any project with data, ethical questions, process questions, accountability questions, those will help make all of us better data scientists, better data analysts better AI engineers.

    And if you work in a company and you have a leadership role, hold your company accountable to a lot of those those benchmarks, say we’re going to adhere to these basic processes, so that we generate outcomes that will not get a sued, or get us failing an audit of some kind.

    So, really good question.

    We could spend a lot of time on this.

    If you have follow up questions, leave it in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Attention Spans and Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Attention Spans and Content Marketing?

    Jen asks, “What is your take on the opinion that attention spans are getting shorter and people don’t read long-form content any more?”

    If that were true, Netflix would be out of business. Disney+ would not exist. Attention spans are longer than ever, by the very definition of binge watching. Attention for crap quality content, tolerance of mediocrity – that’s what has gotten shorter. You’re competing for the same 24 hours that Netflix is. Is your content as good as what Netflix has to offer? Can you even beat the reruns?

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    In today’s episode, Jen asks, What is your take on the opinion that attention spans are getting shorter and people don’t read long form content anymore? All right.

    If that were true, Netflix would not have a business simply wouldn’t, wouldn’t wouldn’t be in business, right? No one would ever sit down to watch a bunch of shows in a row Disney plus would not exist.

    The binge watching itself wouldn’t exist, right? If people had no attention spans, they wouldn’t sit down and watch 28 episodes in a row of Game of Thrones.

    They just wouldn’t do it.

    But that’s not the case.

    We see.

    Very clearly that is not the case.

    In fact, if anything, people have more attention than ever.

    People will play out, you know, eight hour marathons of Call of Duty or they will play you know days where the fortnight or Dungeons and Dragons there’s absolutely no shortage of attention.

    People have attention more than ever actually.

    Because if you think about it, thanks to pandemics and things, right, this gateway is this is the gateway to people’s attention.

    They can watch their favorite shows they can listen to their favorite music.

    They can comfort themselves when the world is literally on fire.

    So attention is not the problem.

    I dislike this question or this perspective, because it’s lazy.

    It’s a lazy excuse for marketers who, frankly are cranking out crap content.

    Right? Yes, attention spans for for bad quality content are getting shorter and shorter and shorter, and people have less and less tolerance for bad quality content.

    Why? Because they literally have the world’s entertainment in their pocket.

    Right? They literally have everything they could possibly want on in the palm of their hand.

    You as the marketer have to compete for the same 24 hours that Netflix does that Disney plus does that Hulu does.

    That Spotify does.

    You’re competing.

    So the question is not attention span.

    The question is quality.

    What quality is your entertainment? Hey, do you know? Do you measure? Do you see how long people stay engaged with your content? Do you see where people bounce out? Do you have things like scroll depth tracking turned on in your Google Analytics to see how far down the page people get before they punch out.

    attention span is a lazy excuse for marketers who don’t want to invest the time or the money or the resources into creating high quality content.

    Simple question, given a choice, would you rather watch an episode of something your favorite show on Netflix, including ones you’ve already seen? But would you rather read your marketing content that you create for work? If you yourself would prefer to watch your favorite show, rather than read the content you created? That’s a problem.

    That’s a problem that shows that you’re even to you, the creator, the person who should like this stuff the most.

    If you’re choosing somebody else’s content over your own, you’ve got a problem.

    Right? You’re not creating high enough quality content.

    I was really concerned the other day when somebody said, Yeah, you know, once I do my podcast, I never listen to the episodes.

    I never watched my episodes.

    I’m like, why not? Like if your stuff is not entertaining enough to entertain you Again, it’s not good enough people as well, I was there I did the episode.

    I know what I said, Well, yeah, but you also watch your say your favorite reruns on Netflix.

    Right, you know what’s gonna happen? You don’t have to rewatch it over and over again, but yet people do.

    So what would it take to get you to binge rewatch your favorite episodes? Have your own podcast, have your own YouTube channel, read your own blog over and over again? What would it take to get to that point where like, Yeah, I would, I would do that again.

    That’s the benchmark for quality.

    If you think about it, if you put up Netflix reruns versus your own content, and you still can’t compete with reruns, where there is no suspense, there is no drama because you’ve seen that already.

    Then your content really kind of doesn’t make the mark, right.

    Remember, the three l rule of content if when you’re creating and then when you We consume it, if you don’t laugh, if you don’t love it so much that you’re talking to a significant other about even if you don’t really care, or you didn’t learn something, it’s not good content.

    Right? That’s the benchmark.

    It’s not good content.

    Content has to be engaging.

    It has to be educational, it has to be emotionally driven.

    And if it’s not, it’s never going to stand a chance against what Disney has to offer.

    Right? For sure, when, like your favorite episode, like the new episodes of the Mandalorian come out for sure your contents probably going to lose to that right because new stuff that is highly engaging people gonna watch that but if you can’t even beat the reruns, you got a problem.

    So, attention spans are not getting shorter at all.

    attention spans for crap quality content are getting shorter and shorter and shorter.

    Because no one has to tolerate it.

    No one has to put up with it.

    No one has to say, Yeah, I will suffer through this.

    Do a poll of your staff.

    Right? If you have a team, or if you have a slack community or whatever, just do a poll and say, Hey, does anybody watch my stuff? Does anybody read my stuff? If you do, how much how often publishing YouTube videos, you know, fairly frequently asked people, Hey, have you watched this or just look at your view counts, right? Compare it to your competitors.

    And then compare it to what your audience what else your audience likes.

    If you go into Google Analytics, you know, in market segments or affinity interests, you can see what else people like look at the videos in that category.

    Chances are, you’re gonna not be super happy.

    So the question is, what can you do to increase the emotional appeal or the engagement or the edge occasional aspect of the content you’re creating in order to beat the reruns so that’s my take on the opinion about attention spans.

    You can’t beat the reruns your your quality is crap.

    Yeah, follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Bottom of Funnel Content for Conversion?

    You Ask, I Answer: Bottom of Funnel Content for Conversion?

    Jen asks, “What do you suggest for building content that persuades leads to make a purchase decision?”

    Remember what buying is: an emotional decision we rationalize later. Thus, the question we need to ask is, what emotions do our prospects buy with, and do they match what we sell with? This means analyzing our bottom of funnel content. Services like IBM Watson Tone Analyzer can help us understand a little better what people are feeling, along with data we collect.

    • Focus groups
    • Surveys
    • Interviews
    • Qualitative social/inbox data
    • Domain expertise

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    In today’s episode, Jen asks, What do you suggest for building content that persuades leads to make a purchase decision, ah, bottom of the funnel content.

    So here’s what we need to do.

    We have to remember what buying is, it has long been known and long been proven that buying is an emotional decision.

    People buy on emotion, then they rationalize it with facts and data.

    So our bottom of the funnel content has to do two things One has to satisfy the binding emotion or provide the binding emotion that aligns with our audience.

    And then it has to provide the supplementary stuff to help somebody rationalize the decision either to themselves or to their bosses.

    All of our content has to have those two parts at the bottom of the funnel.

    It doesn’t really matter what format it is, as long as it is something that people can use to feel fulfilled.

    Two needs.

    So the question then becomes, what emotions are people buying? Right? What do you what emotions do you sell that people buy? In? In my company, for example, Trust Insights, a lot of people buy on the feeling of safety, security, reassurance, comfort.

    They buy on the feeling that they get that they’re working with people who can do the job.

    They buy on that reassurance that we know we’re doing the buying to cover their butts, in some cases, right? And so if we are not providing that if we’re providing a very different tone, like a light hearted, whimsical tone would be a mismatch for that, as opposed to maybe a very authoritative tone that says, hey, we know what we’re doing.

    You can feel good about your but being covered by the fact that we are doing.

    And that tone that emotion is is what we want to sell on.

    And then you match that with.

    And here’s all the evidence, all the proof all this stuff that the PowerPoint slides and PDFs and awards and all this stuff that prove that your decision that you’ve already made is the right one.

    It reassures you It provides evidence that the decision you’ve already made on an emotional basis is the right decision.

    If you take say a coffee shop, what emotion does a coffee shop sell? For a lot of people they think it’s a sells coffee, right? Starbucks proved that wrong.

    They proved that with the third space idea.

    It’s not work.

    It’s not home.

    It’s a third space.

    And that provides a sense of peacefulness, right sometimes or integration or community and these are complex emotions.

    But in doing so, Starbucks has figured out how to appeal to that emotion and and the people that attract that they want that feeling that they give people this is a hub of your community is a place where you can see friends.

    There are strong associations and they play up on that.

    Yeah, they have the music that you can buy.

    That is curated by their teams, the noises, the sense the smells, all that stuff is part of the emotional sale that Starbucks is making.

    And then of course, you have the in some ways the coffee is is secondary.

    Right to the experience, the emotion they provide.

    And the coffee is kind of the the justification.

    I’m just going out for coffee.

    I’m it’s not you’re not saying that to your boss, or whoever.

    I’m just going to hang out to get the heck out of this place because I can’t stand another minute in this office.

    You think I’m just going for coffee.

    That’s the rational justification for the emotion that somebody is seeking.

    So how do you determine that emotion? Well, there’s a bunch of different ways to do it.

    Focus groups, with prospective customers, asking them what decisions they’re trying to make surveys, one on one interviews, qualitative social media data, inbox data, observational data, where depending on the type of business and the type of product you’re working with, you may have like a, an anthropologist or an economic refer.

    Just watch people, you know, they come in, they sit in the corner with their clipboard and they just watch people.

    Starbucks has done for example, a tremendous amount of ethnography of their customers to understand what is they’re doing, why are they doing these things in this place in this space, and domain expertise.

    If you have been on the other end of the purchasing decision, you know what you were feeling and you can obviously chat with other folks have had those experiences to try and understand them.

    One of the tools that I use frequently for this sort of work is IBM Watson Tone Analyzer taking a pile of text and sticking it in and it will distill out sort of the the core emotions that are in a piece of text, such as your customer service inbox, your social media accounts.

    If you have the opportunity to do so you can with as law permits, take phone calls and have them transcribed and have your customers words that they’re saying on the phone transcribed and then distilled down using a service like Tone Analyzer to better understand the emotions.

    Now one of the tricks with Tone Analyzer this is kind of a an insider’s trick is that it only delivers you know percentages of the basic emotions you know, anger, joy, fear, sadness, surprise, etc.

    You need to use a emotion tone chart or an emotion tone matrix to figure out Are those the primary emotions? Or are there other more complex emotions that are built from that, for example, anger and fear, often get blended together to form jealousy.

    And there’s a number of excellent resources, just Google for them on on emotional matrix identification.

    Once you have that data, then that’s how you reorder your landing pages, your downloads, your blog, content, all the stuff that’s at the bottom of the funnel is something that you would re engineer with that emotion in mind.

    So that you know what it is that you’re serving, you can see okay, here’s the data that we’ve collected of the emotions of our customers at conferences.

    Here’s the the data about the emotions that we’re conveying in our text.

    How much overlap is there? If there’s no overlap, they’re totally separate.

    They dine at separate tables, you’ve got a problem.

    Your bottom of the funnel content is not going To convert as well, because you’re not addressing the emotional needs of the buyer.

    If they are very, very close, then chances are you’re bottom of funnel content works really well because the buyer has come in to say, I feel this and I want to feel this.

    I want to feel reassured, I want to feel confident, I want to feel emboldened.

    I have some bias, like I want to make my mark on the organization.

    I want to I want to demonstrate my capabilities.

    And if your tone does not match that, again, that’s a mismatch.

    One of the trickier things for complex sales like real estate, college education, a lot of b2b is that they may be a group of buyers, right? They may be multiple decision makers, in which case your emotional tone has to find that balance, who is the decision maker or decision makers and what are the different emotional needs that they have that you need to fulfill and then provide the evidence for them.

    That can be really tricky.

    It’s very complex.

    And so one of those things where you may have to have customizable content and have six sales professional sales representatives, who know how to read people’s emotions, and deliver targeted emotional content to each person, say, like, you need to feel reassured, you need to feel emboldened.

    You need to feel safe.

    And then they provide content for each of those things.

    So that’s how you build bottom of funnel content that converts.

    It’s not a question of formats or tricks or anything like that.

    It is a question of making sure that you you facilitate the buying decision that is emotional in nature.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content for Middle of Funnel Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content for Middle of Funnel Marketing?

    Melissa asks, “What content works best for moving prospects from the awareness stage and turning them into leads?”

    The answer to the question of middle of funnel content is contingent on what kinds of prospects they are and where they are in the demand spectrum. You’ll fundamentally need 4 kinds of content.

    • Branded demand content – I have a problem and I need YOUR help
    • Unbranded demand content – I have a problem and I need someone’s help
    • Related demand content – I have this problem, and I might also have your problem
    • Diagnostic demand content – I think I might have a problem but I’m not sure

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    In today’s episode, Melissa asks what content works best for moving prospects from the awareness stage and turning them into the leads for middle of the funnel? So, middle of funnel marketing, if you’re unfamiliar is you’ve gotten past Who are you? Right? But you’re not quite to let me sell you something.

    And the question here is contingent Well, the answer is contingent on what kinds of prospects you’ve got, because there are different types of prospects and different needs that each of those prospects have.

    And prospects at the middle of the funnel are some of the trickiest to solve because they don’t all have the same needs.

    And so you need different kinds of content, different kinds of processes and procedures and marketing automation tasks and such to get them to close.

    And there’s four fundamental kinds of content at the middle of funnel.

    And they kind of work on a spectrum.

    If you think about it, a lot of middle of funnel is sort of in house SEO of sorts where you’re trying to understand the different things people are looking for, and be able to answer them.

    So there’s four categories.

    Number one is what I call branded demand content.

    branded demand content is when someone has gotten to the middle of the funnel because they are looking for you by name, right? They have done a brand search.

    They have come in through your social media accounts or when your ads whatever the cases, the prospect of saying, hey, I’ve got a problem and I need your help.

    So like, in my case, someone who’s in at this stage would have come to Trust Insights, searching specifically for TrustInsights.ai by name, or searching for me personally by name.

    So that’s category one, you need content that addresses that.

    Like, why is Trust Insights, the right choice for your marketing analytics consulting? And we could dive into the whole motivations and things and stuff of people at that stage.

    But for now, let’s just say you need some content that addresses the question of who is coming to you by name, who’s in the middle of the funnel by name and you need them to convert? Second is, obviously if you have branded content, you have unbranded content, right? This is where a prospect is saying, I have a problem and I need somebody’s help.

    Right? They know what the problem is, but they don’t know that you have the answer to that problem.

    They’re saying, hey, my Google Analytics is totally hosed.

    And this is where a lot of help content comes in.

    You give away some of the recipes or somebody’s ideas and some of the tactics and that in turn helps people go okay.

    You clearly have expertise.

    doing this.

    So after they read your article, and they realize they have no chance whatsoever of doing whatever it is that you’re describing, they asked you for help.

    Right? So that’s unbranded content.

    I have a problem, I need someone’s help, but not necessarily you by name.

    And we see a lot of that obviously, in existing SEO tactics brand non branded search.

    The next stage in this sort of content demand spectrum is related demand.

    So people say I have a problem, I might also have your problem.

    So a real simple example for this would be, let’s say you run a coffee shop, and you have content about espresso, and somebody is looking for a latte, latte and espresso are logically related.

    And so you need content that addresses hey, we’ve also got this or if you have this problem, you might also have this problem.

    If you’re say a plumbing business if you if this thing is leaking, chances are it’s because of this thing right? Very clear.

    connections between these things.

    And again, from an SEO perspective, we see this happen a lot with things like topics, right, someone may be searching for help on a specific topic.

    But there could be a bucket full of different words and phrases and content that would fit inside that bucket.

    your roof is leaking all your water damage and fixing paint and looking for structural problems and rust on pipes.

    There’s any number of related things that occur there.

    That again is the type of content you would want to have to try and bring out that kind of demand that’s closer to the top of the funnel right so that content is is not as good for middle of funnel but it for for Batman to that transition stage is not bad.

    And then my favorite is diagnostic content.

    And this is where somebody has passed awareness right.

    They know that There’s a problem there on your blog or your social channels or whatever.

    And the thing, I think I might have a problem.

    But I’m not sure if I have a problem.

    And the reason this is a favorite of mine is because there is little that reassures somebody more in the beginning, then you being able to help them understand that the problem that they have, and be able to provide expert guidance, and may not even be the solution for their problem, but you point them to the solution for the problem.

    So you have an opportunity to be helpful.

    This is things like oh, diagnosing Why is my my website traffic down? Why? Why can’t I reheat coffee in the microwave? Why can’t I get this device to work as promised diagnostic content is is amazingly powerful at that middle of the funnel stuff because again, you’re Get you’re taking advantage of demand that may be there.

    But if your competitors are focused on one very specific kind of demand content, this is a way to kind of work around them to look logically at the problems that people have and figure out.

    How do you help them solve that problem? How do you help them understand that problem in a way that is beneficial to them? They could spend a lot of time on formats white papers, webinars, ebooks, all this stuff.

    But if the content is not themed, correctly, based on that demand spectrum, none of it matters, right? If you have an audience, that in the middle of the funnel, they’re going, Hey, I have this problem and the anybody’s helping you’re all creating content about how awesome our brand is, you’re gonna get no results, right? Because the audience isn’t there.

    So how do you know which kind of demand you’re facing? Well, as I mentioned a few times, you’re looking at this data you can extract data from search from search techniques and social media conversations you have with people and surveys and emails to your audience looking at your customer service inbox.

    Do your best to take any of those types of data and bucket them into one of these four categories literally take your top 100 or 200 emails randomly sampled and categorize a meal branded unbranded related diagnostic.

    And in doing so, you’ll be able to get a sense of where your audience is.

    If your audience is never searching for you by name.

    And never inquiring or mentioning your name and social media conversations.

    Guess what branded demand content probably is not a priority.

    You should have some eventually, but if everything is in your customer service inbox or in your contact forms on your website is all diagnostic like Hey, is this something that you can help with? Do you know anything about this? Can you recommend anyone Is this really a problem? What should I do? Then, you know, you need to spend your time on creating diagnostic content, you know, checklists, quizzes, video, how tos, all those kinds of things that address that specific type of content for demand.

    So there is no one type of content that works best.

    You have got to do your research.

    You’ve got to do your own analysis of your data, to make that determination and then create content that answers those things.

    It’s the most straightforward way to get to that.

    Really good question.

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