Mark Schaefer commented on my recent episode about influencers:
“You are rolling old tapes here Chris. You’re viewing the world from a very narrow (B2B tech) perspective. Here’s the fact, influencers sell stuff. A lot of stuff. For many companies this is the most cost-effective sales and marketing efforts they have ever seen. The case studies are powerful and compelling. The techniques are becoming increasingly sophisticated, as is measurement. Influencers can move markets. Are you accurately seeing what is happening out there?”
You Ask, I Answer: The Fourth Influencer Archetype
Some of the influencers who sell stuff – and a lot of it – are folks like Gary Vaynerchuk. He’s got his own successful sneaker line, as an example. Gary’s a great example of the sophistication Mark mentions, creating content on literally every channel possible by syndicating content across channels and branching out with new programs all the time. For that top tier method of content, Gary currently spends around $10,000 per day on advertising and his content team is 17 people.
I’d disagree that measurement – at least on the brand side – is improving. As recently as two months ago when I was working at an agency, measurement of influencers was still disconnected from business results. Even in some of the influencer programs I’m part of now, measurement is neither standardized nor connected to business results, though there are some glimmers of hope. One company recently asked for access to my Facebook Pixel and for a collaborative tagging effort with Google Tag Manager, which was incredibly smart. That’s definitely the right way to go.
Mark’s comments got me thinking about the fourth influencer archetype. When we examine the ways to measure influencers, our three archetypes – lots of connections coming in as the expert, bilateral connections as the connector, and lots of connections going out as the broadcaster – these focus on the network as a whole. For brands seeking to identify influencers, using these measures of centrality makes a lot of sense, because the brand’s goals are reach, engagement, and meaningful action. To Mark’s point, sell stuff.
We understand authority using Eigenvector Centrality, the importance of an individual influencer based on who talks about them.
We understand connectivity with Betweenness Centrality, how many times an influencer bridges connections to others in a network.
We understand broadcast capability with Closeness Centrality, how few degrees separate an influencer from their audience.
Mark’s question – do these algorithms accurately see what’s happening (and by extension, people like me who use them) – is important. The blind spot in all these network algorithms that we cannot currently solve – but that our companies desperately want us all to solve – is which influencers create meaningful impact.
We can’t solve for that right now because we have no access – from the outside – as to who’s driving results. We could, as mentioned earlier, tackle this with tag management and analytics on an individual company basis. From the outside, though, before we sign a deal with an influencer, we want some way of inferring their ability to generate results.
Perhaps the answer lies in a combination of the different centrality algorithms. Each one judges influencer in a different way, but what would an influencer be capable of if they did all three? What if they were the respected leader of their tribe, that everyone talked about, but also the bridge to connect tribe members, and also so responsive that they were incredibly close to a large part of their network? That fourth influencer archetype, the true super-influencer, would logically be able to compel business results as well, perhaps better than influencers who only ranked well in one algorithm or another.
That’s worth experimenting with. I know I’ll be working on it, to determine a scalable way to compute that. Thanks, Mark!
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First, how much time, energy, and effort are you willing to invest in building the chatbot? If you’re looking for a fast, easy, solution that’s basically an out-of-the-box experience for you, the marketer, chances are the experience you’re going to provide is terrible. If you’re willing to invest weeks, months, or even years plus lots of people, effort, knowledge, and money to create and tune the AI behind today’s chatbots exclusively for your business, chances are the experience you’re going to provide will be good.
Second, what’s the quality of the current experience you’re providing? If you’re providing a great experience with humans now, then the bar for your chatbot is very high and it’s going to take a lot of time and resources to match that experience. If the experience you provide now is appalling – think Department of Motor Vehicles awful – then the bar for your chatbot is very low and pretty much anything except literally slapping customers in the face will be an improvement.
Those are the two levers you have to honestly audit and measure first. The latter, the customer experience, has many, many measurement systems like surveys, Net Promoter Scores, etc. that you can use to judge your customer experience. If your scores are terrible, then a chatbot could be a promising alternative – but also, take some time to fix your current customer experience and you might find a chatbot is unnecessary.
One important distinction: tinkering with and trying out chatbots is something every marketer should be doing. Whether or not you deploy them, you should be testing them out to learn more and see what’s possible.
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Max asks, “Should I hire a digital marketing agency? How do I know whether an agency or a hire is best?”
This is a complicated question, but a frequent one. We hire agencies or full-time employees for different reasons. The primary reasons to hire agencies are:
Theoretically faster scaling (pre-trained talent already in place)
Severability of the relationship is faster
Agencies may have talent or training we don’t in-house
The primary reasons to hire full-time are:
Longer-term investment with significantly lower cost of investment depending on skill set
Permanent addition of talent or capabilities
Bigger payout for proper investment in talent (agencies tend to hire the cheapest talent and have high turnover)
If you’re making a good hire – agency or employee – expect it to still take time.
What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for watching the video.
In today’s you ask I answer mask max asks, should I hire a digital marketing agency. How do I know whether an agency or hire is a better choice. Well, this is a complicated question but a frequent one we hire agencies or full time employees for different reasons and those reasons will dictate which choice we make. So the primary reasons you would hire an agency in theory you are one faster scaling, in theory, because agencies often make the claim that they already have the talent. They already have the skills and things like that. And so they can get up and running faster than an employee.
The second reason which is more of a realistic reason is faster severability getting rid of an underperforming employee can take a while because of things like HR and legal and such severing that relationship can take a long time with an agency, depending on what you’ve got in the contract. You can probably just say you know your
parting ways and move on, potentially in zero days most most agencies and their contracts have like a 30 day kill clause where they say you have to give us 30 days notice be where anybody who’s like doing much longer windows like an annual contract, where you have to pay up for the rest of the year. If you don’t use it. That would be really bad
and agencies may have talent or training that we don’t have in house so they may have access to specialized skills or specialized skill sets, depending on who they have on their teams. Now the primary reasons to hire a full time employee who would be things like you want lower total cost of ownership or a little lower cost of investment because
to build out a skill set to build out somebody is going to take a while, but you’ll have access to that skill set all the time and
be able to make better use that skill set for a variety of applications agencies in many cases work you know on on the clock. So if you take eight hours of time to do something you may not necessarily want to invest that same eight hours over and over again, you can do that with an employee and boy, you can have them re task their skills to up. I think
a second reason to hire a full time employee permanent addition of talent or capabilities. This means if you hire somebody as a data scientist, you have access to that talent again for a variety of different purposes and on an ongoing basis. And third is a bigger payout a higher return on and assessment for properly investing in your talent.
If you send out an employee for training and you help them get skilled up and they become a fantastic addition to the team that person will deliver higher multiples. In my experience, and agencies, primarily because agencies of all types and sizes of all in all industries tend to hire the cheapest talent
tend to because it’s an hourly business and a lot of cases burn them out very, very quickly. And so you get very high turnover and so they’ve got sort of a revolving door of talent coming in and sometimes great talent. Sometimes you want
so
we when it comes down to, which is the best path. It depends on your needs agencies will cost you more
in
depending on the industry. They may cost you more. They may cost substantially more for highly specialized skill sets for
common skills. It may be a lower cost of ownership compared to an employee. The severability is important if if being able to reverse a choice is important to your company
or if you’re if the company itself is in transition than an agency may make a lot more sense because you may be like okay, we’re going to keep on for 30 days and then who knows what’s going to happen after that you really can’t do that with with full time employees can do that with contractors and temps as well. But that
is a different relationship to
I have had I’ve been on both sides of the desk. I’ve worked at an agency. I worked at several agencies.
I’ve worked in house and
everything is contingent upon your company’s culture and willingness to invest in employees. If your company is unwilling to invest in its employees. If there’s no formal training program in place. If there’s no commitment to learning and development, then an agency is almost certainly going to be at the better way to go because the talent, even though it will be Junior talent and it’ll cycle out a lot the talent will probably be better than what you will be able to get because a company that’s unwilling to invest in training its employees is probably also unwilling to pay market or better than market salaries. If your company is willing to invest in its people and and and put money where its mission is then an agency’s probably gonna make less sense in the long term. Then, and then a full time higher so the judging criteria is going to be your company. There is absolutely a role for agencies of all kinds. There is absolutely a role for full time employees what you choose depends on your company. There is no one right answer for this. There’s a right answer for your organization. Great question. Max filled with all sorts of landmines no clear answer but that’s usually the case with really complicated questions.
So
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“Is there ever a reason to use Google Analytics tracking codes separate from Google Tag Manager, or should they always be together?”
Google Tag Manager should always be the way we deliver Google Analytics, without exception. For a brief period in 2016, we needed to separate them with the Accelerated Mobile Pages protocol, but even that is no longer the case. If you’ve noticed, Google’s own Analytics tracking code has changed to something called GTag. Go look in Google Analytics. GTag is Google Tag Manager – you can even see it in the URL in the little code snippet.
Watch the video for details and for a question I have for you about a possible webinar.
You Ask, I Answer: Google Tag Manager vs. Google Analytics
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In today’s you ask I answer Charles asks, Is there ever a reason to use Google Analytics tracking codes separate from Google tag manager or should they always be together, they should always without exception be together Google tag manager should be the way we deliver Google Analytics no exceptions at all now for a brief period of time in 2016 that was not the case. We needed to separate them because something new had come out then call it accelerated mobile pages in which you needed to be able to run very lightweight or or very, very mobile friendly JavaScript containers, but even That’s no longer the case. Now you can use Google Tag Manager with adaptation with your accelerated mobile pages so there is no longer any kind of reason to use Google Tag Manager separate from Google Analytics, they should always be together if you’ve noticed, even Google has started enforcing this with people where the if you go into Google Analytics and you go into the Analytics tracking code. You’ll notice it no longer says analytics j s in it and now says g tag g tag Google rolled out last year in 2017
and it is effectively. If you look at the URL, it’s Google Tag Manager, they’ve said this is how we want you to deploy Google Analytics always within a container of some kind, g tag is
a slimmed down Google Tag Manager that supports AdWords analytics and a couple other things within one bucket, but it is 100% Google Tag Manager. Now why would you use g tag versus Google Tag Manager, you wouldn’t you always default to Google Tag Manager g tag is simply Google’s way of helping people who don’t have any IT resources or any marketing technology resources to get Tag Manager out into the field. If you have the ability or the willingness to learn Google Tag Manager is the way to go. And the reason for that
looking around here is that
Google Tag Manager is a bucket. It is a bucket in which you put other pieces of code like Google Analytics. But what’s important about it is that it is managed separately. It loads without impacting the rest of your page and it allows you to move things in and out of the bucket without having to change what’s on the web page. So one thing that marketers have struggled to do a lot is they are putting like new pixels Facebook pixels Twitter pixels and this and that and all these different ads systems on the web pages and if you don’t use a Tag Manager, what happens is you end up having edit pages over and over and over again or calling your IT department waiting, you know, three weeks for them to get around to modifying your pages and that’s really bad for our obvious reasons, it, it slows down on your ability to be effective as a marketer when you use Tag Manager. All you need to do is get it to put the bucket on every page on your website without exception once and then you the marketer, as long as you have administrative access to tag manager can put things in and out of that bucket as you see fit. For example, if you wanted to put a conversion pixel on your thank you pages you would put the conversion pixel in Tag Manager and then tell Tag Manager. I only want you to trigger on thank you pages and it will then push that change across your website without any help from it and it will automatically detect and run in those circumstances. If you want to use things like Google website satisfaction surveys built right into Tag Manager. If you want to use Google optimized AV test your landing pages again built right into Tag Manager and so you can run these services again without having to ask it to do these things and as long as you
document and an audit and do all the things you need to do for compliance.
You shouldn’t. It shouldn’t break anything and it should drastically increase the speed at which you market.
The other reason to use Tag Manager is that if you have multiple websites and you want a one view of all these websites you want to sort of
unify your analytics Tag Manager is the way to do that you drop your tag manager contained to the same one on multiple different websites and then
you specify which Google Analytics tag you want to run on each site and that way you only have one tag to manage across all your web properties
and it makes it easier to understand
if one site is referring traffic to another site. So
Google Tag Manager is always the way to go for Google Analytics without exception if you’re not using it strongly encourage you to switch over today
because it will make your life easier in the long run.
It will make your marketing governance of better
in the long run, and you’ll be able to deploy new features new things as it come out faster and faster and yesterday’s do something with your marketing episode to talked about, you know, all these different niche advertising platforms like stack adapt and Spotify ads studio and stuff. And if you want to roll that out
in a quick way with tracking pixels and retargeting pixels and stuff. Tag Manager is the way to do that. So you’ve got to use Tag Manager to get these benefits if you have are interested in learning more about Tag Manager and how to use it. There’s a free course from Google. Google Tag Manager fundamentals, you’ll find it analytics Academy dot with Google dot com and you can take the free course and learn how to use Tag Manager well learns best practices
and then get started rolling it out again there’s no reason, never to use Tag Manager that I can think of and it is the way Google wants you to do it. So, the faster you get ahead of the curve get ahead of Google just deploy Tag Manager up front, the more convenient, you will find using any kind of Google centric features of Google Analytics Google AdWords optimized website satisfaction, double click, etc. So use Tag Manager. Great question. Charles thanks for asking.
Let me know in the comments if you would be interested. I’ve actually been doing a lot of multi site Tag Manager deployments. Let me know if you’d be interested in the comments for this video
in a like a webinar, how to do multi site deployment, if that’s a problem that you have or if you if you’ve only got one website, then you know obviously would be very helpful if you’re managing multiple websites. Let me know in the comments for the video. If
a free webinar would be useful to learn
how much site should work and sort of the best practices that I’ve found for doing that with Tag Manager and Google Analytics. Also, please subscribe to the newsletter and the YouTube channel and thanks for watching. We’ll talk to you next time.
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Over the past week, I’ve been doing a ton of market research for a client around social media marketing, and THE topic du jour is influencer marketing. One of the most critical flaws I’ve seen in influencer marketing programs, including some I participate in, is a failure to capture the four main dimensions of influence.
This isn’t new stuff – Aristotle coined this in 322 BCE. The four aspects are ethos (authority/credibility), pathos (appeal to emotion), logos (appeal to logic/rational), and kairos (time and place, context).
Brands go wrong with influencers by over-focusing on ethos and pathos – how popular or engaging an influencer is, while neglecting logos and kairos.
Influencers fail brands in the same way, just on the other side of the coin, by developing no logos – expertise – and equally by over-focusing on the brand, ignoring or not having any knowledge of kairos.
Watch the video for the full explanation, including how both brands and influencers can use Aristotle’s framework for more impactful influence and better program results.
#FridayFeeling: Why Influencer Marketing Fails According to Aristotle
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In today’s Friday feeling I’ve been doing a ton of market research for a client around social media marketing and the topic of the day of the period is influencer marketing.
Everyone was asking questions about how do I measure influencers, how do I find influencers, what are the best tools were the best people, etc. etc. And
there’s a lot of flaws in what’s happening and influencer marketing but the core
is a fundamental misunderstanding of what influence is
and how to achieve it. So
influence is not new influence or persuasion or the ability to get people to do what you want them to do has been around for millennia. One of the classical definitions of influence. One of the ones that has stood the test of time is Aristotle’s which he coined in 322 BCE. So we’re talking literally almost 2500 years ago
and Aristotle’s definition of of
not influence because he didn’t use that word he used persuasion had four dimensions ethos,
pathos logos and Cairo’s
ethos is authority or credibility how credible is speaker or in the eyes of the audience what kind of authority, do they have to be speaking on the topic pathos is an appeal to emotion how emotionally engaging as a speaker. How well can they incite emotion from the crowd logos is the appeal to the rational to the logical to the The fact of the matter
and Cairo’s is time and place, Greeks have ancient Greek language had two words for time Kronos which is time itself and Cairo’s which is more time and place, sort of context when
when a speaker speaking, are they speaking when the audience is receptive to their message
now where influencer marketing is going wrong is neglecting half of influence brands have gone overboard on Athos and pathos Athos the authority of the speaker in influencer marketing. This is turned into who’s got the loudest mouth or who has the biggest following and while there is validity to do that in terms of Athos you
by definition, if a million real people are following you.
You have influence my friend Tom Webster says that, but
is it the right audience and
the other aspect where brands over focus is pathos is how emotionally engaging is that influx of how popular are they how how excited they get the audience and and you see in some cases people hiring influencers who they have that emotional appeal, but their complete mismatch with the brand where brands just drop the ball is on logos and Cairo’s logos is is the appeal to the rational
and a ton of influencers
don’t really know what their marketing. They’re just talking about the thing and it shows when you ask any questions in depth
and and brands also neglect that aspect of Cairo’s The context
is an influencer a good fit for the brand is an influencer in the right time and place for them to be impactful for the brand or they just kind of doing their own thing.
One of the criticisms of one of the programs. I’m in
b2b tech program is that
the influencers, the social
influencers that participate don’t know the product and can’t advocate for it effectively and the perception among
the
brands loyalists or that the influencers are really more
promoting themselves and and taking money from the brand to use the brand’s reputation to promote themselves which can be a valid criticism. So ethos and pathos
go overboard logos and Cairo’s good don’t get invested enough and that’s where influences also dropped the ball to influencers focus on those things because what the brands were paying them paying the bills focus on
but by if an influencer is not developing that logos that expertise that ability to appeal to the rational hey this pack of gum uses no genetically modified chemicals this server stores all of its data in particular type of encryption if if an influencer does not have or does not develop that expertise, then they are presenting an incomplete picture to their audience and in some ways dampening the credibility of their credibility with their audience. And if you don’t have logos eventually it
ends up just corrupting your ethos and then Cairo says the other aspect that influencers don’t
either know about or willfully ignore. And that is the context in which the way the audiences
different influencers will impact different parts of the customer journey you think about the customer journey awareness consideration evaluation purchase
that’s the path to purchase. If an influencer is all about reach, they would have an impact on that awareness. If it influences his focus more on authority or connection authority would be sort of that middle that consideration phase. Hey, is this product or service or company with something I want to do business with. I’m going to go ask an authority that influence needs to pay attention to to that part of the customer journey on behalf of the brand
and then that connector someone who can make those connections there more towards the end, the buyers journey in some ways because
you know when people say, Hey, who do I know that’s a good one resource for analytics. Oh, you should talk to Hillary Mason, you know that person that that connector helps bridge that gap to create that last jump into purchase. So depending on the kind of influencer you are
if you don’t know where you fit into your your your the corporate brand journey customer journey, you don’t have Cairo on your side and influencer who does all for well who has authority who has emotional appeal, who has is backed up by data and facts and understands where they fit into the grand scheme of things is going to be a very successful influencer on behalf
of the brand and then of course the influence themselves can increase the amount of money they charge or the types of work and projects, they’ll take on. So
my feeling is that influencers don’t have that knowledge and brands who don’t have that knowledge of this classical definition of persuasion and using all four pieces are not going to get the results that they want.
They may get some results, but they may not get a maximum
results that they could be getting if they used ethos, pathos logos and Cairo’s appropriately to find influencers to set strategy around influencers and then to measure influencers, both in evaluating them up front and on the flip side at
measuring the performance of a program.
Go and read ourselves rhetoric, it’s out of copyright obviously never had one to begin with.
It’s available for free on sites like Project Gutenberg you can just get it completely, totally for free read through it
and give some thought to the this definition of influence because it will help
enhance your own influence or marketing program. Whether you are a brand or whether you are an influencer if you develop all of these areas. You’ll be much, much more successful. So that’s today’s Friday for feeling as always please subscribe to the newsletter and the YouTube channel and look forward to hearing any comments you have about your experience with influencers,
whether they they were able to do the thing and all four areas or whether you chose them or you are one and you focus just on one of these four aspects of influence and would like to increase the the amount of persuasion, you can do. Thanks for watching. I’ll talk to you soon.
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Pradeep asks, “Many people argue that a basic Marketing ethic that most of the Marketers have overlooked in the recent years is Humanity. How would invoking Humanization help to appeal more to the audiences?”
In many ways, this is the wrong question to ask. Humanity – human nature – is at the root of marketing’s problems: we want to serve our own needs. The answer isn’t humanity, or even empathy – it’s staying laser-focused on how we solve other people’s problems, how we help others first. Watch the video for more details, especially the differences among sympathy, empathy, and audience-centric marketing.
You Ask, I Answer: Humanity, Empathy, and Audience-Centric Marketing
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In today’s you ask I answer Pradeep asks, many people argue that a basic marketing ethic that most marketers have overlooked in recent years is humanity. How would invoking humanity help to appeal to more audiences. The answer is, it won’t and here’s why humanity human ization things like that don’t solve marketing’s fundamental problem marketing’s fundamental problem is that we are inherently self centered. We want to sell the thing, hey, we’ve got the thing here’s the thing by the thing fill out this form to do the thing, subscribe to a newsletter to get the thing,
but we’re not audience centric our audience
is just constantly asking, well, what’s in it for me. Why should I do this thing and when generally speaking as marketers, we do a pretty job of explaining why someone else should care about our thing.
We instead get upset or irritated when people don’t do the thing and so many conversations in in in the C suite stuff like, Well, why isn’t marketing working better working better well because it’s not serving the needs of the audience. So it’s not that we need more humanity and marketing. It’s we need more audience centricity
the word that people like to use for audience centric marketing is empathy and that’s got its own issues because a lot of the time
people a mix up sympathy and empathy sympathy is to feel to participate in someone else’s feelings.
I’m sorry your marketing is not working well is sympathy
empathy is
participating in someone else’s experience walking a mile in their shoes and,
in theory, that’s the right approach because in theory empathy should.
lead to audience centric marketing in practice. We’re all human for good or ill, which means that we can’t get out of our own way. We can’t think past ourselves I have this problem every single day
I’m helping to run a start up and
we want to grow the business well to do that need to have customers and to get customers, you need to solve their problems not our problems are problems. Nobody cares about our businesses problems, everybody cares about solving their own problems. So how do we solve other people’s problems. So the question of humanity or human ization and marketing is the wrong question. The answer is, how do we bring in more empathy
more walking on my honor audiences shoes.
But most of all, how do we solve our audiences.
problems. So the number one thing for a marketer to do is
put yourself in that role of whoever you’re trying to sell to us a What problem do I have and put it in emotional terms, put it in very simple terms, hey, if you’re if you have a b2b audience you your audience has four problems right helped me make money, help me save money, help me save time or help me prove my value so that I don’t get fired right if you’re a b2c audience
you basically solving for is a similar problems right entertain me educate me engage me or provide me some utility right so
if you sell coffee, you’re selling experience which is engagement,
but you’re selling utility to right, which
means stay awake in the mornings. If you’re selling chewing gum you’re providing utility maybe a little bit entertainment. If you’re selling soap. A really good example. Dr. Bronner’s soap.
The bottles are covered in this very race fine print but lots of little entertaining stuff on it. So there’s the utility, but there’s also the entertainment and a little bit of engagement or experience. I guess you would say,
and so
we have to sit here as marketers and go, Okay, how can we add either b2c Entertainment engagement experience education utility or for b2b. How do we help a company save money. Make Money save time or proven value and we got to be so
basic so practical so obvious in this if I’m selling you analytic services.
It’s not big because it is not just the services of analytics. It is generally someone else’s asking you to prove the value of what you’re doing and by extension proved that you should still have a job
and so.
When we think about our product offering. It’s not Hey, we’ll help you fix your analytics. It’s help. Hey, we’ll help you prove why you should not be fired right or you should not be laid off
so humanity is less important than empathy. Empathy is less important than solving people’s problems. So for everyone who’s thinking about how do I make my my marketing more human and age automation. Don’t worry about it. Solve people’s problems clearly solve people’s problems as always please subscribe to the newsletter in the in the YouTube channel. If you find this helpful if you don’t find this helpful, please let me know why so that I can help you solve your problems better leave a message in the comments. Philip Global Forum. If you want to submit it that way if you don’t want it to be public
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“What are the most important factors to consider in a digital marketing audit of performance?”
Pradeep’s question requires a deep dive into statistics and analytics to provide an answer. The reality is we have a massive buffet of questions we could ask of our data. We have more variables to consider than ever before, more data sources. To even understand what’s important, we need to dive into exploratory data analysis to narrow down what to look at.
In this video, watch as we explore just basic Twitter analytics. Today’s video is highly technical; the last 3 minutes, however, review the strategic implications of NOT doing exploratory data analysis.
You Ask, I Answer: What to Audit in Digital Marketing
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In today’s you asked I answer Friday asks, What are the most important factors to consider when auditing digital marketing performance. Well, this is a really good question. It’s a complicated question because we need to be able to understand our data and understand what we’re measuring first whether we’re measuring the right or wrong things. And then we can figure out what’s working, what’s not. We’re going to use the software. Our. This is a free open source software from
a number of different foundations. You can download it for free. I also recommend the our studio interface which is also free that makes it a little bit easier to use because it is very much a programming language. So let’s do this. We’re going to start by taking I’m gonna take some fun Twitter data right these are just my tweets. Let’s take a quick look at these tweets over the last 90 days and I know for be good. Well I care about reaching so that’s a metric that’s important to me. So we’re going to focus on that in in the here if you wanted to know what measures were really important.
I would strongly suggest doing this with Google Analytics data instead it because that’s certainly has greater connections to out to business results retweets not true. The first I’m going to do is look, see
I want to know
what data is missing, if any, so I use a function called plot missing and I don’t see anything here. This is all zero percent. So we’re looking pretty good there. Now there are a bunch of variables. If we open the variable selector factors we charge numeric non numeric things the text the handles and stuff like that,
for the purposes of understanding data and its impact we want to remove those for right now, unless they are
meaningful.
So if I had gone through and categorize tweets by their topics say social media or CEO, I could certainly use that to understand my data set, but in this case I have not done that and we’re not going to do that in this particular exercise. So let’s
go ahead and remove all of the non
numeric
variables close this up here we see we’ve gone from 40 to 19 down to 19 variables, there’s still some in here that are not helpful. So for example, tweet ID not really helpful. So I’m going to go ahead and get rid of that
and now we have a we have numeric data,
the first place I typically typically to start is in correlations, what are the correlations between these different variables. So we’ll do that and it says warning. There are standard deviations, and it is zero.
This means there’s some variables in here that are zeros, all the way down or close to zeros
and so we’re going to need a few libraries to do some exploration on this. Let’s go ahead and actually get
a whole bunch of these libraries and this just loads them up in the software.
Okay, so let’s look at our data set and see what variables are near zero or zeros. This one app opens app installs. I have no tweets involving either those no tweets that have an email and no tweets that have encouraged people to dial phone number. So those variables are, in fact,
causing problems into predictive model because
well, frankly, there’s zeros that they don’t if they don’t really inform anything. So I’m going to knock
those out. Now you can take a look at the
correlations here.
I’ll make this bigger what we’re looking for. Here’s retweets. What’s the biggest number where the biggest numbers that indicate this is definitely something that impacts retweets. So we see here point five eight for hashtags point 434 replies point seven for for likes that’s seems like it’s some important points six for user profile clicks point for for media views so interesting stuff there. If you go down this way here. Meet engagements point six what impressions, point, six, eight gauges point seven one engage right point 09 detail expands point
for to your all clicks point for now. Do you see the problem here engagement and engagement rate or actually sums of all these other activities. That’s a problem because that’s kind of throwing a wrench into our ability to understand what’s going on, those are those roll up numbers and not something that would help
us say let’s let’s just go get more engagement. Okay, well, what kind of engagements. Do we want link clicks to a permanent clicks what profile clicks what’s going on. So we’re going to take those two out because that’s really actually fairly unhelpful
what’s go rerun this our plot
animals zoom in here and now for retweets, we see impressions is his health is important, their meeting gauges somewhat important likes is important. Hashtag clicks is important
but when you look at these numbers, they’re all a good number of them are relatively close to have a really good answer. We’re here the answer. There’s not a just a handful of things. It’s basically says so far, do everything. Well, I don’t want so you do everything. So the next step we could take there’s a couple different ways we could do this, we could run a subsets to see what combination things randomly sub setting through and taking two or three or four or five variables of time testing them and against each other. However, there’s a machine learning technique called random forests, which does this very, very efficiently and so we’re going to use that I say I care about retweets and let’s use everything else is left in this in our data to focus on retweets. So let’s go ahead and run this
is going to run 5000 variations of every possible variable put together
and we see our error rate. They’re slowly declining looking good saying well to the consistent
and now let’s ask the vendor for us what’s things mattered
here. These two variables are the furthest right in this scoring system here impressions and likes followed by all the others. The others are important but these two really are the are the most important thing. So if I can get impressions and likes in my tweets that is likely to result in retweets. Now what do I do with this information. I now have
a hypothesis. Right. This is the beginning of the scientific method
and I’m going to go out and try and get more impressions and more likes on my tweets and see if that in fact results in more retweets so scientific method, we’ve formed a hypothesis. Now we go tested gather data, analyze it and then refine our hypothesis. See if in fact impressions that likes are a causal variables. So if we zoom back up to the 50,000, foot view pretty question, but how do we know what factors to consider when auditing or digital marketing. The answer is we don’t know
we have to first do analysis and this whole session here what we did with just retweets has what we call exploratory data analysis what’s in the data what’s in the box what data is good what data is not good, and then build a model
that has some predictive value to it impressions and likes and now we got we test that this model is not the answer. We cannot conclusively say without a
shadow of doubt that yep it’s all retweets. No, this is the start of the scientific method. We’ve now got a hypothesis we can go test, we have to test it. We have to verify it.
It may turn out that this is false, there may be something wrong with the data they may be something wrong. Conceptually, there may be some factors we are not considering but if you were to then pull in say your CRM data and your marketing automation data and your Google Analytics data and your social media and do this across all these and have a target
instead of retweets have a target of sales or leads or form films or whatever. Once you do that, then you’ll be able to understand it to have a bigger picture understanding of what actually matters to business audit your strategy that way. Do this and then test those competitions variables.
When you do this for
your digital marketing, there’s a good chance you’re going to have 50 6070 8090
different variables
you so you won’t necessarily do this every single day or even even once a month you’ll probably do this quarterly or maybe even semi annually,
but
doing this set of techniques
will help you get a better understanding of what you should be testing next to drive the results you want. And that’s how
you do in a digital marketing oddities you have to do you have to take in all your data clean
it. Prepare
understand it, analyze it and then form your hypothesis and begin your testing. So a great question for a deeper very complicated question that requires real analysis real analytics. If you don’t, if you’re just guess you’re just looking at at the prepackaged chart. It’s the common a lot of software packages and if you haven’t connected your marketing systems data together.
You’re not going to come up with even close to the right answer, you know, you’ve got to come up with a good question to ask when you’re doing you’re trying to figure out what’s wrong with the strategy. So
use are you can use Python two, you can use SMS or SPSS or whatever statistical language you prefer if you don’t have the capabilities. To do this, go and find someone who does go and hire a firm of some kind and agency, a person to do this for you so that you can then develop sound hypotheses, because otherwise you’re just guessing and that’s going to lead to bad outcomes. As always, my company bring interesting insights. Does this stuff. So please feel free to get in touch if this is of interest to you if not enjoy the video please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care.
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Machine learning tools like random forests, MC and MLR to do attribution analysis
A word of warning: tools are like spatulas and frying pans. That means we haven’t talked about ingredients, recipes, or cooking skills. Don’t mistake tools for skills.
What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for watching the video.
In today’s you ask I answers john via asks, What are my favorite tools for content optimization. Well, it’s a good question, but a vague question because it’s not clear what we mean by content optimization. So for today’s video I’m going to define content optimization as tools that help content perform better in three different buckets. The three buckets are reach. So how can we get our content to attract new audiences engagement content that retains audiences that gets them to come back to to share
and then action content that convinces audiences to take meaningful action, maybe fill out a form, pick up the phone and call us ask for a demo, etc.
With that in mind, there’s with these three buckets. There are a few tools that I recommend for just about everybody and then some tools that you need some budget to have. So on the reach tools the tools to attract new audiences. One of the best tools for keyword research out there
is Neil Patel Uber suggests it is free. It should not be free. It is so good.
I would strongly recommend checking it out just Google for Uber suggestion, you’ll be able to find it again for businesses of any size the prizes right and and the tool is good
on the paid side for reach tools for SEO tools essentially tools like mas sem rush and RF sir are great tools for doing good
SEO research, but there are they are expensive. They will cost you some money so evaluate them. I would say if you had to pick one that would give you the biggest bang for the buck, particularly if you are a small to mid sized business where you have very, very small. Signing Authority. Take a look at sem rush then look at our efforts. Then take a look at mas mas gives you the greatest value, but also has the biggest price tag. And then the third in the reach tools is machine learning tool specifically text mining tools to reverse engineer search results. These are all free. The tidy library, the quantitative library for our Python has a bunch of these as well. You need developer experience to use them. But if you can use them. Well, they will they will deliver incredible results for engagement tools cotton tools that help content retain your audiences or get them to to share and comment and stuff like that. Number one, if you have again if you have budget. It is a fairly expensive tool that buzz Sumo is excellent now provides a lot of useful sharing insights
for
more in depth analysis or for alternate forms of analysis Watson natural language understanding from Ivy and that’s very affordable because it is pay per use since like two cents per user per URL and the sentiment or library and are the last to our machine learning tools again they require developer experience but sent mentors free Watson natural language hosting is very very low cost and with some programming skill and a good database of a sequel database behind the scenes, you can build very rich engagement models,
you would use these tools
to essentially do analysis, figure out
what URLs
get shared the most and then why what are the reasons why was there a certain tone or emotion or sentiment though that powers the engagement.
Finally,
in action. What are the tools that convinced audiences to take meaningful action.
Number one, Google Analytics is essential because you’ve got to be able to measure
the meaningful action for you don’t have that
measurement in place, then you can optimize for it. So Google Analytics with goals and goal values properly set up that’s so important. Google Analytics does not do it out of the box, you need to go in and set it up. Number two is Google Optimize also from Google also free optimize is a massive web based A B testing tool and it is fantastic it what it does in terms of letting you do multivariate testing on web pages change out the color buttons and text and copy and images and all this stuff to find the variations of your content that work best if you want to do a B testing for organic social you want to take a look at tools like buffer and Hootsuite and stuff to
do stuff like that. Finally
tools like
random forests Markov chains multiple linear regression. These are all statistical and machine learning tools that will help you build strong and attribution analysis and this is essential because Google Analytics, the built in attribution models are okay, particularly time decay. I like time decay of a lot of the ones that come out of the box, but it is at a certain point
you if you’re doing enough with the value of leads you
will run into limitations with the built in models so you’ll want to at that point. Switch to machine learning models that will help you develop more nuanced views of what’s helping convert so reach engagement in action content that attracts new audiences that retains them that convinces them to participate and then ultimately take meaningful action. Those are the three buckets of engagement tools that you need the content optimization tools to make your business grow. Great question. JOHN Vf lots of detail in here one caution with this is that we’re talking about tools which is like talking about utensils like spatula and frying pans, the things this is not the ingredients. This is not the recipe. This is not how to cook and none of these tools are going to do those things for you. They are a spatula. They are a chef’s knife and you still need to be able to know how to cook in order to make the best use of them. So keep that in mind. The tools are not a substitute for the skills they
help the skills
they amplify the skills, but they are not the skills as always please subscribe to the YouTube channel, the newsletter and things if you’d like help using any of these tools and deploying them on behalf of your business, please get in touch my company Trust Insights. Does this stuff happy to help. Take care. I’ll talk to you soon.
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“How important is design as an element in a company’s online presence? Many businesses are uninterested in investing in design as they believe that it is too expensive with non-measurable returns. Also, since tastes of the audience keep on changing, it is wasteful to invest in the cycle of designing and redesigning the appearance.”
Great design aligns your brand with your audience. Like clothing, design controls perception and opinion. How important is your audience’s opinion of you? That dictates how much you should invest in design.
Watch the video for the full answer, including why “casual” design is like casual clothing – and more expensive than you think.
You Ask, I Answer: How Important is Design in Marketing?
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In today’s us guy answer Pradeep asks How important is designed as an element in the company’s online presence. Many businesses are interested in investing in this vertical is they believe it’s costly with non measurable returns and since the audience tastes keep on changing it’s wasteful to invest in a cycle designing and redesigning the appearance of your digital presence.
There’s not a clear answer here.
Prior to working with the last company I worked at I thought design of the same about design that it was just a largely a an exercise in futility that people should value for
what you can do for them not how look but when you work in an industry like public relations perception and appearance and.
opinion matter a lot they they are how people make decisions for good or ill when you walk into a room. If you are wearing this like a very casual hoodie that’s going to convey a certain impression. If you’re wearing a three piece suits gonna come convey a very different impression. And the reality is your design has to be aligned to your brand. Just as your clothing has to be aligned to your brand or your personal appearance has to be aligned to brand. If you walk into a room and you are Mark Zuckerberg you’re wearing a hoodie and jeans right back in the day
late Steve Jobs wore black turtleneck and jeans. If you are going to
JPMorgan Chase on Wall Street, you are wearing a suit, it would be folly to wear anything but that. Because that is part of that organization’s culture and.
You part of design is conveying that
to the audience.
You are either a little bit like them or you understand them and what they want. So how important is design as an element of your company’s culture,
it reflects your company’s culture. If you don’t invest in design, that’s fine. However, if you are pitching companies to whom design and perception matter a great deal or your product or service revolves around perception and opinion
you will miss the boat, you will not get the business.
Conversely, if design a perception matter a great deal to you, but to your audience. They’re unimportant.
You know, if you are a
firm and you believe in a very strict dress code and.
you’re pitching
tech companies that have see the C suite, no one in the C suite older than the age of 30, you’re going to come across as a little out of touch with them and so align your design
and your investment in it with your audience. Some audiences.
They don’t have all that much interest in great design
other audiences do now, I would argue, there’s a baseline amount of design that needs to go into any company, no matter what to to get that alignment, particularly if you are not technologically capable doing so
companies see as an expense because good design is expensive and you can tell the difference between bad design and good design based on how easy design makes to do to let audiences do what they want to do if you get to somebody’s website and it’s super easy and you don’t need to spend any time figuring anything out. You’ve got great design.
Regardless of whether it is simple or complex or bespoke or casual.
Think about how much casual clothing costs, right, you go to a designer store or brand name store and you can buy a pair of ripped jeans that are already ripped for like 90 bucks or 200 bucks, you know like, but they’re already ripped. Why am I spending free rep to clothing because it has to
If you value that brand and you value that look and yet you value the functionality of the clothing as well, at least to some degree, it’s got to stay on your body for for decency sake, then you will have to pay that much money for clothing that is theoretically defective right because it is it matches that look but you want. So even in a case where your design is casual may not be cheap. So just as true for clothing or food.
For any of these things that control perception.
So that’s the answer their design is perception and if perceptions important. You should invest in it. Is it wasteful to invest in it. When you have to design a redesign for the appearance of the audience because the audience tastes keep changing it depends on the audience and what you’re selling if you’re selling food or clothing or things that are highly culturally influence, then you’re gonna spend a lot of design. If you want to be relevant to your audience
Birkenstocks were very popular shoe 20 years ago, they’re not as popular now. And so if you are a shoe company, you’d want to be selling today’s shoe or ideally today issue and and tomorrow’s shoes so that you can keep up with with the market. On the other hand, if you’re selling
b2b SAS firewall software and hardware,
then your design has to reflect the audience but doesn’t necessarily have to reflect cultural changing taste as much.
Because people’s tastes when they’re buying that product or not as
not as transparent as it were so good question. The answer is, you’re going to spend a lot on design, no matter what and and you should spend as much as you can afford.
In order to make life easier for your audiences and to help change their perception of who you are,
so that it is aligned with them. Thanks for asking. As always, if you have questions, please submit them to us. I answer and subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter. Thanks for watching.
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Jay Baerposted recently about new marketing technology that does amazing content creation and how AI will drive the cost of marketing, particularly content marketing, to nearly zero. In the process, he asks, what’s left for humans? He ends with an example about Michael, a barista who does amazing coffee art and says a machine could obviously do the same for nearly zero cost, but is that what we want? A life of expediency without joy?
#FridayFeeling: Who Will Lose Their Jobs to AI and Robotics
Jay’s fears are largely unfounded, but there are things to be concerned about. AI and robotics will create a world of efficiency, to be sure. The main promises of AI to the end customer, to the customer experience, is a better customer experience than we currently receive from companies. On the company side, of course, it’s about cutting costs – namely humans.
But AI will not take jobs in the sense of roles. Michael the barista isn’t going to be replaced by a robot because he’s excellent at what he does and clearly loves his work. Excellence is not at stake.
What’s at stake – and what will impact millions of people – is inferiority. Terrible customer service. Terrible work quality. Think of the industries we associate with a terrible customer experience:
Airlines
Cable and phone companies
The Department of Motor Vehicles
We automatically assume, when dealing with entities like these, that our experience is going to suck. We mentally prepare ourselves for a confrontation, rather than a delightful customer experience.
AI and robotics promise minimum competency. They promise both the customer and the company minimally viable competence and a guaranteed mediocre experience. Think about McDonald’s. Do you go to McDonald’s for the best hamburger in the world? No. You go to McDonald’s for a guaranteed experience and a burger that’s okay – but okay is very often good enough.
So whose jobs are at stake? Not Michael the barista and coffee artist. The thousands of people who work at coffee shop chains who don’t enjoy their jobs, who phone it in, who make no effort to do more than the minimum amount of work. Robots and AI could replace every one of the people who hate their jobs or are terrible at their jobs and automatically elevate the customer experience from equally terrible to mediocre. Customers would be deliriously happy with the correct order, promptly made, with their name properly spelled on the coffee cup, even if a human never touched it. This will extend to every industry including marketing technology.
The lesson is clear for all of us: be excellent or be replaced. If we’re terrible at our jobs, if we hate our jobs, we are the first candidates for replacement by machines.
Those of us who love our jobs, who love our work, who invest in our ongoing professional development and training – our jobs and personal careers will be safe. There will always be room at the table for human excellence.
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