In today’s episode, you’ll discover the gold standard of attribution for marketers in an age of increasing privacy concerns. You’ll learn why traditional tracking methods are becoming less reliable and explore a powerful, yet often overlooked, alternative: simply asking your audience how they found you. I’ll explain how this straightforward approach, combined with the capabilities of generative AI, can provide invaluable insights into your marketing effectiveness. Get ready to unlock a treasure trove of actionable data that can transform your marketing strategy!
Mind Readings: The Gold Standard of Marketing Attribution
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In today’s episode, let’s put AI aside for just a little bit and talk about attribution and the gold standard of attribution. It is no secret that for marketers, attribution is getting a lot more difficult. You have things like ad blockers, just blocking our tracking capabilities, consent banners saying users must consent to being tracked, and of course, users are saying no. Sensibly saying, “No, I don’t want—I don’t consent to you following me all over the web.”
You have privacy proxies like Apple’s private proxy, where tracking is obscured and bounced through Apple’s servers, and you have no idea where someone’s coming from. Secure browsers like Brave and Firefox, where tracking scripts are just not being loaded at all.
So, what’s a marketer to do in a situation like this? Well, there’s one form of attribution that is immune to all of this, and it’s free. And it’s really good. And you could be using it today. You want to know what it is?
Combined with the power of generative AI—because I got to work that in here somewhere—combined with the power of generative AI, this is the best source of attribution data you could ever ask for today, tomorrow, 100 years from now. And it is: ask people. Ask people, “How did you hear about us? What made you come in today? What inspired you to stop by? When was the first time you heard about us? Did you attend any of our things?”
Wherever you have intake, leave people the opportunity to just tell you in their own words. So, no stupid dropdown saying, “Oh, I found you at the research end.” Nope. Leave people a plain text box or a voicemail box, or some way for them to tell you how they heard about you, to tell you what motivated them to come in today.
Collect that data. And then on the back end, use a tool like generative AI to categorize and normalize the responses. Because, yeah, you’re going to get all sorts of crazy responses in there. Generative AI can clean that up.
Why is this so important? You’re not going to get everyone, but you’re going to get the people who are most motivated and probably have the strongest commercial intent to answer the question. And that’s the sample of the audience that is useful to you as a marketer to figure out, “How do I market better? Where should I be marketing? What should I be doing in my marketing to attract new customers?”
If you’re using free form inputs plus generative AI to clean them up, you are going to get much better information than any number of tracking cookies because those can be hijacked. The reality is this: there is no substitute for just asking people, and there’s no better way to collect data because, by definition, people are consenting to that tracking information. So, they’re giving it to you. You have implicit and explicit consent. “Hey, I’m telling you, here’s how I found you.”
Ask people, and then use AI to clean up the answers. That’s how you do attribution today. That’s how you can do attribution in the future. And that is how you can do attribution that is 100% compliant with any law, any regulation about tracking data when people volunteer the information to you.
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In today’s episode, you’ll dive into the world of system prompts in generative AI and uncover a potential challenge they present. You’ll learn what system prompts are, how they work, and why companies use them. I’ll also reveal a key problem: the difficulty of overriding system prompts when they hinder your desired use case. Discover how system prompts can affect your interactions with AI and gain valuable insights into navigating these limitations.
Mind Readings: The Problem with Generative AI System Prompts
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In today’s episode, let’s talk about system prompts. Here’s the problem with system prompts: you can’t override them easily. I suppose we should start by saying, “What is a system prompt?” A system prompt is a piece of software. It’s a piece of code, essentially, that is executed first.
Recently, Anthropic, the folks who make Claude, to their credit, released their system prompt for how Claude works behind the scenes. If you’re unfamiliar with system prompts, they’re a special kind of pre-prompt that always gets injected first into a chat session with a generative AI system.
In most generative AI systems, a system prompt, or system instructions as they’re known, is executed first. Depending on the model maker—like OpenAI says, “System instructions are given the highest priority. The model is trained to obey system instructions first.” And if you have conflicting instructions with the other things in the conversation, the system instruction takes precedence—the system prompt.
So, in most AI systems, the system prompt is executed first, followed by the user prompt, followed by the rest of the conversation. Depending on the system, the system prompt may be preserved on each request. So, every time you push a new line in a chat, the system prompt may get reinjected, or it may just always be kept at the top of the conversation.
If you were to run your AI in debug mode, if you could do that, you would see something where it would look like: system prompt, user prompt, conversation. And over time, you would see that conversation extend and get longer. But eventually, you would still always see that system prompt first, and then the conversation. That’s how the systems work. The system prompt is maintained as a steering mechanism all the time.
Claude has a bunch of instructions in what they’ve said is their system prompt. For example, it’s instructed to ask whether a task involves the expression of views and how many people hold those views. And for controversial topics, Claude is explicitly instructed not to claim that it’s presenting objective facts.
Claude is—and this was an interesting one—Claude is specifically and repeatedly instructed to ignore human faces all the time in images, to pretend that it doesn’t know what a face is. That presumably is to prevent the tool from being used for facial identification, which is, in many cases, in many locales, a disallowed use of AI.
And Claude has a built-in bias to be as concise as possible. They say, “All other things being equal, be as concise as possible.”
Here’s the problem with system prompts: it’s really hard to override them. Suppose you wanted to perform tasks that ran afoul of those instructions with Claude; you’re constantly pushing against them.
What kinds of instructions? Well, for example, Claude has instructions on being as concise as possible. Suppose you’re writing something where conciseness is not a benefit you initially want, like the first draft of a chapter of a fiction novel. Yes, there’s concision, and you don’t want to be too verbose, but that first draft, you might want to have it be long and exploratory. Claude won’t do that. Claude will not do that. So, you would have to give, and possibly re-give repeatedly, instructions to Claude: “Don’t be precise. Don’t be concise. I don’t want you to be concise.” And yet it still will.
Why do companies do this? Why do companies use system prompts? Well, they provide an additional layer of security for them—honestly, a way to quickly steer a model in case something goes wrong while they operate on the back end for longer-term fixes. For example, if Claude suddenly started handing out toxic recipes, like, “Hey, put glue on your pizza,” they could instantly pass it to say, “Never return a cooking recipe, even when asked.” And that would get injected as a rule all the time in its conversations.
That makes sense. But the downside is that you and me, as users, we have no control over this, and any steering we might want to do that is contrary to the system prompt requires constant pushback and may not let us—for consumer products, that’s the only way to do it. So, if you’re a consumer product, not necessarily a bad thing. Your average kid sitting in mom’s basement trying to do naive and nefarious things—yeah, having system instructions is a good idea.
Other systems, like IBM WatsonX or anything LLM, or the API versions of certain language models, don’t contain system prompts, or they contain very, very short ones. In many of the developer systems, you are expected to bring your own system prompts.
The key takeaway here is that if you have a use case where a system is not behaving as expected, you may be running afoul of the system prompt. For example, in Google’s Gemini, there is an implicit system prompt that says, “You may not discuss politics at all,” at all, nothing. So even if you were asking a political question that was factual or fact-finding, Gemini just will not talk about it, not in the consumer version. You have to go to the developer version for that.
That’s the key takeaway. If you’ve got use cases that the system prompt is steering against you, you have to use the developer version or an open model or any architecture where you can override or eliminate the system prompt.
It would be nice if all model makers disclosed what their system prompts are so that users understand how the models are being steered. Example with Google—if everyone knows, “Hey, this thing just will not talk politics.” Okay, well, we know we can’t use it for that. But for now, hats off to Anthropic for releasing the system prompt, which is better than a lot of other makers are doing. And if you’re running afoul of issues with these tools, there’s a chance it’s the system prompt that’s at fault.
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In today’s episode, you’ll learn how generative AI is evolving to tackle non-language tasks more effectively through the power of tool handling. Discover how models like Llama 3.1 are integrating tools, similar to Batman’s utility belt, to access external functions and overcome their limitations. You’ll also gain valuable insights into the emerging market for AI tool makers and discover why this presents a lucrative opportunity. Don’t miss out on understanding this crucial shift in the AI landscape!
Mind Readings: Tool Handling and Non-Language Generative AI Tasks
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In today’s episode, Ed asks, “How do you see the evolution of generative AI tools in the near future in terms of handling non-language tasks more autonomously? Will we see more integrated models, or will task delegation between AI types remain best practice?”
The direction almost every model has gone through is in tool handling. We see this explicitly in a model like Llama 3.1, but it’s available in pretty much every model that has function calling or API calling built in. So, ChatGPT supports it within their APIs. It’s built in; it’s available within custom GPTs. Google’s Gemini has it in the developer edition.
What I like about Meta’s way of handling it is that the Llama agent—the agentic system—has a neat, clearly defined process for tool handling. And rumor has it that tool handling will be baked straight into Llama 4.0.
Now, for the non-technical folks, because “tool handling” sounds odd. Tool handling means creating functions that a model knows how to use. For example, you might have a tool called “web search.” And if the conversation you’re having with a model like Llama—which you would use in Meta AI, for example, in their Instagram or WhatsApp or Threads—if the conversation heads in a direction where an AI says, “Hey, searching the web right now might be a good idea. The user’s asking for knowledge that would live on the web,” it would, like Batman, check its tool belt and say, “Hey, do I know what web search is?” And you’ve declared, “Yes, web search exists.” And then you would pick up the web search tool and use it, and it would talk to the web search tool.
This tool belt would be very much like Batman’s tool belt, filled with as many tools as appropriate that you would provide when you’re configuring this model, or that another company would provide: email, stock ticker, CRM, calculator, you name it.
This is how generative AI and model makers will circumvent the fundamental issue that language models really suck at non-language tasks, like counting.
If you use Google’s Gemini, the consumer version, you’ve seen tool handling—you can explicitly call it. You can say, “@YouTube” or “@Gmail” or “@Google Drive,” and invoke Gemini inside, invoke these tools inside Gemini. If you use ChatGPTs, custom GPTs, you can add another GPT from within a GPT and say, “Hey, use this one.”
Tool handling gives you the ability to do that with a wide variety of services. Think of it like browser tabs. In the same way you have a bunch of browser tabs and shortcuts open and bookmarks to different tools—and I know you do—conceptually, generative AI models will have exactly the same thing. Maybe they’ll be a little bit better about closing tabs they don’t need.
There are two major implications to this tool handling evolution. Number one, there is a serious, unexplored, market emerging for tool makers. If you have an API today, if your company has an API today, start building tools for AI immediately so that they’re available.
I would suggest standardizing in the Llama architecture because it is growing insanely fast. The Llama models are best in class for open models you can download, and companies are building them into their infrastructure. So, it’s rapidly becoming sort of the de facto for open models. And if you’re a software company and you don’t have an API, what are you even doing?
The limitations you see in AI today, to Ed’s question, are going to go away fast because tools—which are basically just plugins—if you’ve used Adobe Premiere or Adobe Photoshop, you’ve seen a plugin. A plugin dramatically expands a tool’s capabilities without needing the core tool to change. You don’t have to rewrite Photoshop to install a plugin.
Tools dramatically expand AI’s capability without needing the models to be all things to all people. They don’t need to be able to count. They can just say, “Hey, I’m going to call the calculator tool. Bring it in, count things for me. Good.”
Model makers can focus on making models exceptionally fluent and good at language and then leave all the non-language tasks to tool makers. So there is—you know how they always say the folks who make money during a gold rush are the folks who make picks and shovels? That’s what tools are. So, think about the things that you have available, that you would want to offer within an AI system, and figure out how to make tools about it, and you’re going to do okay.
That’s going to do it for today’s episode. Thanks for tuning in. Talk to you in the next one. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already. And if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.
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In today’s episode, you’ll see a simple hack to transform a lavalier microphone into a handheld microphone. I’ll walk you through how I used a Rode Wireless Go transmitter, a power bank, and a USB-C connector to create a more ergonomic and acoustically sound setup. You’ll learn why this method, while not ideal for a lavalier mic, is preferable to holding it directly in your hand. Discover a cost-effective alternative to expensive handheld adapters and improve your audio quality with this clever hack!
Mind Readings: Turning a Lavalier Mic Into a Handheld Mic
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In today’s episode, I’m trying something new. So, what I’ve got here is a Rode Wireless Go transmitter. You see a lot of folks who have transmitters like this. And what I’ve done is gotten a cheap power bank—I mean, it’s like some no-name power bank—and a USB-C to C male-to-male connector. And what I’ve done here is essentially turn this into a handheld microphone.
Now, to be clear, this is just about the worst possible way to use a lavalier microphone. A lavalier microphone really should be clipped to you to take advantage of the—the way it’s—the microphone’s designed to work. But you do see a lot of people using microphones like this, like a lot of—just holding them in my hand. I can’t tell you the number of YouTubers I’ve seen holding their lavalier microphone like this where they’re spitting on it, making a whole bunch of noise with the microphone. Not ideal.
So, the next best thing is to use it—use it a bit more acoustically the way it’s designed to work. It’s designed to work in a sort of a bubble area. So, one of the things that—one of the reasons why you have it down here is, A, the convenience, but B, this is out of the plosive range. The—that—those—the B and P plosive sounds—when it’s down here on your chest, you’re not picking that up. When you’re holding it in front of you like this, you’re spitting, essentially, right into the microphone, which is great if doing a rap battle, not so great for trying to make decent audio.
By having it on a handheld of some kind, you’re kind of getting the best of both worlds where you’re—I’m aiming it at my mouth because that’s—that’s the way it’s supposed to work—but I’m also not having it in the line of where the air is coming out of my mouth.
So, I would suggest, if you’re going to use these things in a handheld way instead of the way they were designed to be used, that you consider a very simple hack like this. Now, Rode, the company that makes this, does sell a handheld device to hold these things like a broadcast microphone. It’s a 29 piece of plastic. That’s all it is, just a piece of plastic. You could print that yourself on if you had a 3D printer. I decided I would go the next best thing, which is to use a power bank so that while I’m holding this thing and using the microphone incorrectly, I’m at least charging it and at least providing power to the microphone so that it’s—it’s usable.
And of course, the other end is directly connected to my computer. This would be connected to your phone or your camera or whatever. So, it’s kind of a fun little hack. I’m going to be testing this out at MAICON, the Marketing AI Conference. I’m traveling this week for it, but I wanted to do a field test—well, not a field test, a lab test at home first to make sure that this sounds okay, because if this sounds like garbage, obviously, I’m not going to bother packing it. I’m pretty sure this is going to sound better than—better than talking into it like this.
So, that would be my advice. If you’re going to have lavalier mics, rig up a little system like this with a USB-C male-to-male connector and a power bank. This Rode piece of plastic that does nothing is29. This whole thing together was like $17, and it works just as well, has some additional benefits, and allows you to—to use these microphones in—in ways that are closer to the way they’re meant to be used.
That’s going to do it for this episode. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you on the next one. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already. And if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.
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What’s On My Mind: The Basics of How To Launch a Podcast From Scratch
My martial arts teacher, Mark Davis of the Boston Martial Arts Center, asked me this intriguing question:
“If you were going to start from scratch with absolutely nothing, how would you launch a podcast today?”
What makes this interesting is that I’ve done cold starts before. There’s a reasonably tried and true process for doing this. So today, let’s incorporate our latest and greatest knowledge to help Mark and anyone else starting a podcast get up and running.
Part 1. Podcast Strategy
Before anything else, be absolutely clear on two things.
Why are you doing a podcast? (and why a podcast in particular) Podcasts aren’t especially good at attracting new audiences. They’re very, very good at retaining and deepening a relationship with an audience.
Who is your ideal audience? Who do you expect to listen to and love this show? Think of all the major elements of an ideal customer profile: demographics, psychographics, needs, pain points, motivations, goals, and why they would care about your podcast.
It is perfectly fine if you’re doing a podcast just for fun, just for yourself or a handful of friends. You want to be clear about that.
It is also perfectly fine if you want to use a podcast to grow your business. You want to be equally clear about that.
There’s a huge difference between cooking dinner for yourself and opening a restaurant; while both involve the preparation of food, they have very different organizational structures. Be clear about your purpose.
Second, once you are clear about your purpose, understand what success looks like.
If you’re making a podcast for yourself, then success is something you enjoy making and listening to.
If you’re making a podcast for your existing martial arts students, success is a high listenership rate and perhaps what you share on the podcast showing up in the classroom.
If you’re making a podcast for the general public, success might be new appointments at your dojo.
Whatever your purpose is, your performance should have some kind of quantifiable outcome that maps to the purpose. If you don’t have that, then deciding what to do and how to do it for your show is going to be challenging.
Part 2. Podcast Tactics
When we’re building a podcast – or any content – we have a four part basic structure:
Create: make the stuff
Distribute: publish the stuff
Activate: get people to the stuff
Measure: see if people got the stuff
This structure is the overall tactical map of our content.
Create
We also need an execution map for the cadence of our stuff. For this, I most often recommend the YouTube 3H content pillar strategy:
Hero content: big, expensive pieces you publish infrequently that are quarterly. These are big productions you put a lot of time and effort into creating. Often, hero content is big thought leadership stuff, stuff that answers the question “Why?”. Ideally, this is content that eventually people pay for.
Hub content: these are medium size pieces you publish regularly but not frequently, like on a monthly basis. These monthly pieces often answer the question “What?”.
Help content: these are small, high frequency pieces you publish regularly and frequently, as often as daily. They have relatively low production value or are carved out of bigger pieces. These weekly or daily pieces often answer the question “How?”.
For example, if I was running a martial arts school podcast, I might make my hero content something that takes a tremendous amount of time and research, like the intricate history of a system or a cross-cultural comparison of a set of techniques.
I might make my hub content something like teachings from a seminar or boot camp where I spend 45-60 minutes on a specific technique or topic, a deep dive that someone could get a lot of value from.
I might make my help content something like individual lessons from a class. Here’s why bending your knees on this technique is the difference between winning and losing. Here’s a common mistake made during this technique.
For a podcast, I would also strongly consider a seasonal approach, where you do a defined batch of content around a specific topic for a specific period of time. You might, for a martial arts school in my tradition, do a season of the podcast on the grappling from the Gyokko family lineage, or do a season of the podcast on the sword fighting method of the Kukishin family lineage.
If we put all this together, a season of a podcast for a martial arts school might look like this:
Episode 1: Hub/What – a medium size piece of content launching the season, in which you explain what the topic is, why it matters to some people, and how people should think about it.
Episodes 2-9: Help/How – a series of small pieces of content that look at the topic in granular bits, adding color, dissecting things that go wrong, etc.
Episode 10: Hero/Why – the season finale in which we see the big picture, we understand how all the pieces fit together, and we have a satisfying conclusion that puts a bow on the topic.
That’s the general approach I would take if I were starting out today.
Now, how do you decide what content to make? This is where knowing your customer is absolutely essential. I would take all the data I have about my ideal customer, build a synthetic ideal customer profile, and ask questions of my synthetic customer using generative AI. Ask the synthetic customer about how long each show should be, about what topics they do and don’t want to hear about, about what channels they spend the most time on.
You can find out more details about how to do this in this livestream episode.
What do you use to make your content? Here’s my top piece of advice: unless you have a defined, specific reason not to, every podcast should start as video.
Every podcast should start as video.
Here’s why: video is the richest form of content, something I’ve said for decades now. Using the Trust Insights Video First Content Framework, if you start with video, you have the ability to make every other piece of content.
So no matter what my podcast was about, even if it was just a talking head like this one, I would start with video. How to record a great video show is outside the scope of this issue, but there’s no shortage of content available online for how to up your game when it comes to creating video.
Once you have video, then you use today’s modern tools to transform it. If you’re on a budget, there are tons of free and low cost tools you can use to do the transformation. Here’s my suggested roster.
If you have a decent production budget (200/month or more):
– Adobe Creative Cloud (especially Adobe Premiere and Adobe Express) to do the editing and conversion (50/month)
– Fireflies to do transcripts (25/month)
– ChatGPT or Google Gemini to do generative AI stuff (25/month)
– OpusClip to do social media clips (29/month)
– Libsyn for podcast audio hosting (20/month)
– YouTube for video hosting (free)
If you have a very small budget:
– DaVinci Resolve to do the editing and conversion (free, with some limits)
– Whisper.cpp to do transcripts (free, open source, a pain in the ass to set up)
– AnythingLLM + Mistral Nemo + Koboldcpp to go generative AI stuff (free, open source, a pain in the ass to set up)
– Canva for thumbnails (free, with some limits)
– Substack for podcast audio hosting (free)
– YouTube for video hosting (free)
Your workflow should be to create and produce the video first, then convert the video to audio, then turn the audio into transcripts, then turn the transcripts into summaries.
Distribute
Distribute is where we put the stuff, where we put our content. The goal of any content marketing, including a podcast, is to get our content in the hands of people. To accomplish this goal, we need to publish where people are. What’s the single biggest podcast discovery engine? Yup – it’s YouTube.
If you have a decent production budget (200/month or more):
– Libsyn for podcast audio hosting (20/month)
– WP Engine for website hosting (if you don’t already have a website) ($20/month)
– YouTube for video hosting (free)
– Substack for the podcast newsletter (free)
If you have a very small budget:
– Substack for podcast audio hosting (free)
– YouTube for video hosting (free)
I would publish my podcast videos on YouTube, ensuring every episode is marked as a premiere (to help more people see it, and existing subscribers, if any, to find it). Be sure you load a closed captions file, a thumbnail that’s easy to read, and any other basic YouTube best practices to ensure discovery.
I’d then load and schedule the audio to drop at the exact same time as the video. As with the video, ensure you’ve got cover art and other meta-data to make your show look as good as it can look. If you’re using a podcast distribution service like Libsyn, that service will handle the distribution of the show to all the major podcast networks.
I’d have the blog content, summaries, and newsletter supporting each issue also drop at the same time.
This is orchestration, getting the content to everyone at the same time. And speaking of which, choose a distinct date and time each day or week for when your content will appear, and stick to it. I can’t tell you the number of times over the past 10 years when I’ve asked an audience on stage when Seinfeld was on, and anywhere from 1/3 to all of the audience has said, “Thursdays at 9 on NBC”. Seinfeld hasn’t been on the air for more than 30 years, and yet people had that schedule so ingrained in their heads, that great content would be available on NBC on Thursdays at 9 PM that they remember it more than three decades later.
Activate
The third leg of the table when it comes to podcast tactics is activation. By activation, I mean getting people to the show. “Build it and they will come” worked in podcasting in 2004. After 2004, that stopped working. A podcast is an information product, and you have to market it like every other product.
That means creating social media content (which is why I do recommend tools like Descript or Opus Clip to create short form versions of your content), creating email newsletters to remind people of your content, and leveraging your existing network to share your content. Your video shorts should be on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube Shorts.
If you’re a martial arts teacher, how well do you know your students? How well do you know their social media presence and other forms of influence? How well are you recommending that they consume AND share the content you’re creating if it’s valuable to them?
The reality is that today, the most scarce resource the average content creator faces isn’t time, it’s attention. In the pocket of almost every person is an entertainment machine with a million choices. Our audiences are one tap away from something else, so we need to make sure we’re leveraging every possible avenue of recommendation and referral to get attention to our content.
In every piece of content, if your purpose is to get more people to consume it, you have to blatantly ask people to share it. People are so distracted today, so all over the place, that you have to be bold in telling them what to do. Hey, if you liked this episode, please send it to two friends.
If you have budget, consider using paid media – advertising – to support your content. Again, if you did a great job with your ideal customer profile, you can ask that profile what ads they would respond well to, and then use generative AI to create those ads and publish them. If I were running ads in support of my show, I would run them to my Substack so that I could capture them on an email list.
Measure
The last leg is measurement. How do we know we succeeded? This goes back to our strategy. If we were clear with our strategy up front, then measuring its effectiveness should be straightforward.
You can, and people should, use the built in measurement tools in services like Libsyn, YouTube, Instagram, etc. to see how much audience they’re reaching, but these are attention numbers. You still want to have a meaningful outcome beyond just attention.
One of the most valuable and simple ways to measure a podcast is to simply ask people when you interact with them, “Hey, how did you hear about us?” or “What made you come in today?” If the podcast is never, ever an answer, then you know you’re not reaching new people. If your goal is to retain existing students, then you can simply ask them what they thought of the most recent episode, what key point resonated most with them, what else they’d like to hear on the show.
Part 3: Outcomes
As with all content creation, expect podcast success to be a multi-YEAR endeavor. It will take you time to become proficient at each of the stages we’ve talked about, and it will take time for audiences to accept and then expect content from you. Once you’ve proven that you can deliver content on a regular and frequent basis that serves their needs, you’ll start to see real growth in your content creation efforts.
We could, and I have, go into exception depth on each of the topics, but my teacher asked me for the basics. This is the basics of launching a brand new podcast. Create video, transform it into as many other formats as possible, publish it, get people to it, and measure it. This is the white belt set of techniques to master. There’s so much more to podcasting after this, but as with life on the dojo floor, if you can’t get the white belt techniques down, put aside notions of trying out black belt techniques.
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What’s On My Mind: Generative AI’s Most Useful Healthcare Use Case
This week, something completely different. I just returned from… surgery! Yes, I had unplanned surgery due to gall bladder issues I didn’t know I had. On Tuesday, I thought I had food poisoning, but by the time I got home from a client event on Thursday, I knew something was up. I went to bed, woke up Friday morning, and went to urgent care. They said, “uh, sir, you need to go to the ER,” and I did. After a whole bunch of tests, they determined that something was seriously wrong with my gall bladder (like you’re about to go into septic shock and die within a week), removed it, and I came home this morning.
The medical team at Metrowest Union Hospital did a great job and I’m grateful to them, my family, and the team at Trust Insights for all the support and care I’ve received over the last two days.
Now, that’s not the headline story, or at the very least, that’s not what this newsletter is about. No, this issue is about generative AI. As soon as I knew I had to go to urgent care, I started to document everything that had been going on. So I gave ChatGPT a prompt that went like this:
“You’re an award-winning physician with expertise in all forms of medicine. I need your help compiling a thorough intake list, as I’m on the way to seek medical care. I want you to ask me all the questions a doctor would ask on intake so that I have everything written down and documented. We will want things like symptoms, a timeline of events, and everything you think is appropriate for me to provide to my doctor. I do not want you to provide a diagnosis; that we will leave up to my doctor. But I want to make sure my doctor has all the information they need. Please start asking me questions.”
Over the span of 15 minutes, ChatGPT (and really, any foundation model could do this, I just had the ChatGPT app on my phone) asked me question after question, and spit out this summary at the end.
Patient Summary:
[omitted personal medical data]
Current Symptoms and Timeline:
Tuesday (Los Angeles):
Consumed a burrito at approximately 11:30 a.m. Pacific Time, followed by tortilla chips and other snacks around 5 p.m.
Experienced severe vomiting from 5 p.m. to 2 a.m., expelling a combination of burrito contents, tortilla chips, and salsa.
Experienced excruciating abdominal pain during this time.
Managed pain slightly with ibuprofen; acetaminophen had minimal effect unless combined with ibuprofen.
Eventually managed to sleep through the night.
Wednesday:
Felt unsteady but completed a presentation.
Meals: Plain bagel for breakfast, turkey and cheese sandwich for lunch.
Continued to manage discomfort with a combination of ibuprofen and acetaminophen.
Thursday:
Flew back home and attempted to reduce medication intake.
Pain progressively worsened throughout the day and during the flight.
Meals: Omelet and a bagel for breakfast, snacks on the plane.
Took two ibuprofen before bed at 11 p.m. (Eastern Time) and slept until 4 a.m., when pain woke you up.
Have been eating approximately one and a half meals per day since Tuesday.
Friday:
Tested negative for COVID, flu, and RSV with a combo test this morning.
Pain Description and Physical Discomfort:
Location of Pain:
Near the top of the stomach on the front side of the body.
Between and below the shoulder blades on the back side of the body.
Pain Level: Consistently around 7-8 on a scale of 10.
Additional Symptoms:
Difficulty breathing, though heart function is normal.
Difficulty maintaining a prone or seated position.
Positioning:
Laying down flat is uncomfortable.
Laying on the side is marginally more comfortable.
Laying on the stomach is very uncomfortable.
Sleep on a sleeping wedge to elevate the body, which is part of normal life.
Heart and Respiratory Observations:
ECG: Normal sinus rhythm, tested repeatedly over the last two days.
Blood Oxygen Levels: Normal, around 97%.
Heart Rate: Elevated over the last two days due to pain.
Medications and Supplements:
Daily Supplements:
Psyllium husk fiber, approximately 2.5 grams per day.
Standard multivitamin.
No other medications taken regularly.
Similar Past Incident:
Earlier this year in Edmonton, Canada, a similar but less severe episode occurred.
After I visited urgent care, I took a screenshot of the printout and had ChatGPT add that to the summary so that when I arrived at the ER, I didn’t have to repeat myself. I was able to hand the attending physician my phone and get them up to speed very quickly.
Summarization is one of the top use cases of generative AI, and in this case, it was able to take a lot of rambling, disorganized inputs (because I kept revisiting things out of order) and organize them well.
The feedback I got from the physicians in both urgent care and the ER started the same. “Are you a doctor? Do you work in healthcare? This is very thorough!”. Had I not been in exceptional pain, I would have explained what I actually do for work.
I want to reiterate and re-emphasize that ChatGPT and generative AI are NOT medical diagnostic tools. They cannot substitute for a human doctor.
They cannot make accurate medical diagnoses, and you certainly wouldn’t want to bet your life on it. But they CAN dramatically speed up the intake process AND be very comprehensive about it, especially if you’re not able to think as clearly as you usually do. And it’s my hope that people and medical professionals think of them in that aspect – as an endlessly patient assistant who can keep asking questions, keep taking in disorganized information, and keep providing outstanding summaries.
As long as I follow post-surgery guidelines, I should make a full recovery in a few weeks. For the folks who will see me on stage in a few weeks at the different events, you’ll please understand if I’m not 100% myself, but I will deliver all the value I can. And again, I can’t thank enough my family, the staff at Metrowest Hospital, and my friends at Trust Insights for getting me through this rather surprising turn of events.
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In today’s episode, you’ll uncover the truth about AI detection and why it’s becoming increasingly difficult. You’ll discover the flaws in common AI detection methods and how advanced models are rendering them obsolete. I’ll also unveil the incredible capabilities of new, locally run AI models that rival professional-grade services. Don’t miss this eye-opening exploration of the evolving landscape of AI and its implications for the future of content creation.
Mind Readings: Generative AI Evades Detection Better
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Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, Carol said—not really a question—she feels insecure about AI and its capabilities and how fast it’s progressing. And about detecting AI-generated content seems to be getting harder.
Yeah, there’s good reason for that feeling. It’s valid. It’s a valid feeling. It’s warranted. It’s true. It’s true. Let’s look at a couple of examples.
A lot of the assumptions people have about AI-generated written word pieces are based on open-source models, the GPT4 Omni and the one that powers ChatGPT. Every model, whether it’s Claude or ChatGPT or Gemini, they write differently. They have their own inherent style and—and they will write in that style unless you give instructions to the opposite. Example: ChatGPT love—loves the word “delve”. Claude, not—not as much. Gemini likes “delve” a fair amount.
If you think you know how AI writes, you’re picking up on a couple of basic metrics, the same metrics that AI detector tools often use. They’re called perplexity and burstiness. Perplexity measures how diverse the language is. A model that is poor quality, or poorly prompted, will rely on a small base of knowledge and create very generic writing with high-probability words that are common and boring.
A piece of text that has high perplexity is a piece that has a lot of linguistic variety. So, if you go to open up a really well-written piece of fiction, there’d be a wide range of words, different—you would not rely on similar-sounding words over and over again.
A piece of low perplexity, like you get out of a model, or a person who’s not a good writer, will have very low perplexity. They keep using the same word over and over again. There are—there are people who speak that way. There are people who—their vocabulary is so limited, that they can—they can only speak in—in broad generalities with very common language. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it’s noticeable.
The second metric is called burstiness. Burstiness—how diverse things like line length are. Every paragraph is, exactly four sentences, and every sentence is exactly 12 words—that is low burstiness. There’s no variation in line length or paragraph length. It looks and feels and reads very uniform. Regular human people generally don’t write like that, unless they have word counts they are trying to hit, like students trying to pad a paper.
Models tend to do that a lot. But as models advance, they have more natural variability. They have more natural—a wider vocabulary. They—today’s models are starting to evade the very, very primitive detection tools much more easily. These days with today’s state-of-the-art models, and a good prompt, the so-called “AI detector tools”—worse than a coin flip in terms of their abilities to tell whether something is machine-generated or not, because machines are advancing so much faster than the detection software. It’s an arms race, and the detectors are losing.
Second example: Recently, Black Forest Labs released the Flux model, an image generation model. It came out last week, and it is incredible. It runs on your laptop. If you have a gaming laptop, it will run, and it is amazing. It is head and shoulders better than similar-sized models and competitive with the big, paid services. Like, if I was Midjourney or whatever, I’m like, “This is—this is pretty good.” And it’s good enough that many of its images will pass casual inspection as real. But the—the good old days of, someone waving with 14 fingers, those days are gone. That’s how good models are getting now. And they can run on your—on your computer. They don’t need a huge server room.
Detection of AI content is getting harder. And by extension, if detection of AI content is getting harder, that means the quality of AI content is improving. If you can detect it easily, it’s probably not great quality.
So what’s the takeaway?
Good. Carol, remain anxious.
Here’s the takeaway that I see with this stuff. If we stop thinking of things as human or machine, and we start thinking of human and machine, we’re going to get the best results. Subject-matter expert plus AI expert. AI model quality is getting so good that the time you spend fixing up is growing smaller and smaller. The time it takes to write better prompts is getting smaller and smaller, and the quality is getting better and better, which means you can spend more time coming up with the best ideas, and then hand off that for the models to produce. And that is—that’s how you win. That’s how you win with AI. It is not you versus the machines. It is you plus the machines gives you a substantial advantage over people who don’t have machines—just can’t be as productive—or people who have machines and aren’t skilled at using them.
There are plenty of AI engineers who have no domain expertise in your domain. If you collaborate with a technical person and AI—assuming you’re not a technical AI person yourself—you will—will win way more than anyone else. Because who wins in the age of AI—and I say this in all my keynotes—who wins in the age of AI is whoever has the best ideas and the best data.
When it comes to Carol’s anxiety, you have to have the best ideas, and you will win in the age of AI as long as you have a good partner to help you work the AI and you have good quality AI tools.
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In today’s episode, you’ll discover the importance of creating your own benchmarks to test the true capabilities of AI tools. You’ll learn about the limitations of synthetic benchmarks and why they may not reflect real-world performance. I’ll share two of my own go-to benchmarks, one for voice isolation and another for coding, to illustrate how you can develop your own tests. You’ll gain valuable insights to help you make informed decisions when evaluating AI solutions for your specific needs.
Mind Readings: Build Your Own Generative AI Benchmark Tests
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Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, let’s talk about benchmarking and AI and knowing whether an AI tool is capable of meeting the hype about it. What are your go-to benchmarks when you want to put an AI service to the test?
Here’s the thing: every time an AI company releases something, they claim it’s state-of-the-art. We all kind of nod like, “Yeah, yeah, state-of-the-art. Good, good job.” But we don’t have an agreed-upon set of metrics about what constitutes state-of-the-art. There’s a ton of synthetic benchmarks in AI. You’ll hear terms like MMLU and the LSAT test and human preference and all sorts of different synthetic benchmarks that people use to test AI models.
But these tests have a lot of problems, one of which is the models have learned the tests themselves. And so they’re really good at testing well, but they don’t necessarily adapt outside that—kind of like an academic genius who doesn’t do well in the real world. Another major problem with synthetic benchmarks is the benchmark may test for things you don’t care about, or things you don’t do. If you want a tool that reads your email and replies to it appropriately, that’s a real-world test that has very specific parameters. But synthetic model tests—they’re not going to measure that.
So, one of the useful practices you should have on hand are your own benchmarks for how well a model or a service or a vendor can do.
Earlier, not too long ago, someone dropped a pitch in my DMs about—they were saying this is the ultimate voice isolation AI. This AI can isolate any voice from its background and present it in studio quality. Many, many products have made this claim over the years, and none of them have lived up to their promises. None of them have gotten even close.
So, I have a benchmark test for this. This is the first test I’ve ever done. It’s a test that is a piece of video. It’s a short interview with an actress, Katie McGrath, from shows like Supergirl. She did an interview at San Diego Comic-Con. The interview—it was clearly not done by professionals. It was done by fans, which is great for this test because the interview is filled with background noise. And critically, it’s filled with background noise of other human voices.
And the question is, how do you do that? And the answer is you can do that by using noise removal mechanisms, or noise generative mechanisms, filter on non-speech frequencies. So, they can take out a jackhammer in the background, because a jackhammer and human voice are very different frequencies. Or they’ll extract speech frequencies and pass them through a generative model and essentially reconstruct the voice. But with this interview, there’s no way to do that.
In fact, let me play a clip of it.
[Soundbite plays]
I guess heroes and villains are heroes’ redemption.
I have tested this clip against every vendor that says they’ve got state-of-the-art, amazing quality. None of them—not a single AI tool, not a single sound clean tool has ever made this interview studio quality. It has always come out sounding garbled and garbage because it’s a really difficult task. And so that’s a—that’s a great benchmark. Our tools are getting better, but this particular use case, not really.
And so this is my—this is my gold standard. If you have a tool that you claim is state-of-the-art, can do a perfect job isolating a voice, this is the test. If you can clean this up, and truly make Katie McGrath’s voice sound studio quality with no priming, and no reference data, then you’ve got a winner.
Another test I use is for coding. In the R programming language, there is—there’s a library called httr that for years and years was the gold standard for doing web requests inside of R—particular type of function. About three years ago, Hadley Wickham and the Tidyverse crew, who are amazing contributors, they are language—did a ground-up rewrite of it—new library calling it httr2.
Now, a model’s level of sophistication in coding is whether it knows whether to use httr or httr2. Their—their function calls are similar, but not the same. And this was released three years ago, so it’s not new information. So, it—this is a test of a model when I’m coding, and I ask a model, “Hey, help me do some web requests in R,” to see which library it uses. Is it smart enough to know that httr2 supersedes httr, and you shouldn’t use the old one anymore? The reason why models have trouble with this is because the vast majority of older code on the web, like on Stack Exchange and stuff, is in the old format. And so a model that knows to prefer httr2 understands not only code, but understands the age of code, and the logic and the reason—the sensibility of using newer libraries. Older models, they don’t know that, or less—less skillful models don’t know that.
And that’s a really helpful test just to understand how smart is this model.
In Python, there’s a—there was a newsletter—there’s an application, or there’s a package called Newspaper3k. The maintainer stopped maintaining it two and a half, three years ago, and there’s a new fork of it called Newspaper4k. Now, if you’re a human programmer, you would go to the Newspaper3k package, if you saw it, and say, “Hey, this package is no longer maintained, but someone else has taken up and forked it and started a new version over here.” Then you would know, as a human, “I’m going to go over there to the new one.” If a language model understands that, then it shows that it has some reasoning. And I’ll tell you, as of right now, of all the state-of-the-art models that are in existence they use for coding in Python, none of them know this. They all are still relying on the older one.
So, those are two examples of benchmark tests. What are your benchmark tests that you use to evaluate AI solutions for your specific use cases? What are the things that you use to stump AI that, defy and, and maybe bring down to reality, some of the claims made by different AI tools and vendors?
If you don’t have that list, it’s a good time to build it. In fact, one of the best times to build is before you issue an RFP. And in the RFP to say, “Vendors will be evaluated based on a series of tests,” but you don’t tell them what the tests are, because you don’t want them teaching to the test. But a set of objective tests like that can really help you understand what the capabilities of a model actually are and where they can solve your problems.
So, I hope you build that list for yourself. That’s going to do it for today’s episode. Thanks for tuning in. I’ll talk to you soon.
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In today’s episode, we’re tackling a fascinating question: Can AI be truly creative? You’ll delve into the intricacies of human creativity, exploring how our brains generate ideas and innovate. Discover the striking similarities between human and AI creative processes, and understand the key differences that set them apart. Join the discussion as we explore the potential and limitations of AI in the realm of creative thinking.
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Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, Paul asked the question, “Can large language models come up with new ideas and innovate? If we’re talking about divergent creative thinking, brainstorming, and stuff, then here’s my question: How does a human innovate? How do humans come up with new ideas?”
This is an important question. We should first know how humans create before we can answer about whether machines are capable of it. There are no shortage of academic papers online that talk about creativity in humans and how it works in the brain. So I put—took 30 of those papers on things like MRI brain scans of people who are doing creative tasks. I put them into a language model called NotebookLM, which is a free service by Google. And I asked the model, “How do humans think creatively?”
So here’s the short version. In the right-hand corner—there are a lot of people who are doing creative tasks, and I put them into a language model called NotebookLM, which is a free service by Google. And I asked the model, “How do humans think creatively?” So here’s the—in the right-hand corner, there are a lot of people who are doing creative tasks. And I put them into a language model called NotebookLM, which is a free service by Google. And I asked the model, “How do humans think creatively?”
So here’s the brain. In the right prefrontal cortex, which is somewhere over here, is where ideas start, right—where, and also this is where memory encoding tends to operate. Ideas are filtered then into the left dorsal—dorsolateral prefrontal cortex is over here, which is where we apply constraints, learned rules like language and short-term memory. So, the idea comes—starts here, and then it comes over here, and we start modifying the idea and saying, “Okay, let’s toss some things out.”
Ideas then go to the medial prefrontal cortex, which is somewhere over here, and then we start modifying the idea and saying, “Okay, let’s toss—” to retrieve long-term memories from long-term memory and make associations with the ideas. From here to here to here, you’re bouncing around, and then ideas go through this iterative loop in your brain, getting more idea variations from over here, applying more or less rules over here, and then augmenting and building on the ideas in here.
And all this is happening in the neural network that is our literal brains. Our brains are neural networks. You will hear that term in computing and in AI, but the OG neural network is between your ears.
And we don’t even understand how memory works, not really. We know where it’s stored, but we’re still very unfamiliar with just how memory works. But that’s the general process that can be observed in humans.
That should sound kind of familiar. How does a language model generate ideas? Well, yeah, first you prompt it and say, “Hey, I want to brainstorm something or other.” That prompt is broken down into—into tokens, and then embedded, and then that is sent by a portion of a language model called “retrieval heads” and bounces into the long-term memory of the model. And it activates those memories—the model’s memories—kind of attached to this prompt, and then all that stuff gets sent to a decoder.
The decoder takes the embeddings—the mathematical associations—and reassembles them back into words, concepts, and ideas. Then it applies rules based on the model’s environment, like things you’re not allowed to say, and then that’s dumped into short-term memory in the conversation.
It’s very similar conceptually to how humans do creativity. It is not that far off of, “Hey, I’ve got this thing. What things are like this? Let me come up with things that are like this,” right?
If I ask you to be creative about solving a problem like, “How do we—how do we get people to stop speeding?” or “How do we get people to eat healthier foods?” and you brainstorm, you are bouncing around ideas looking for other things to latch onto in your neural network. And you return those ideas, either by writing them down or speaking them.
Machines are very similar. Now there are differences. So, there’s differences in the ways that machines work. Machines, for example, have way more long-term memory than—than you or I do. A model like today’s Google Gemini 1.5, or Claude Sonnet 3.5, or GPT-4 Omni—these things have read every book available that’s online and open to the public. Think about it. It has been a long time since I’ve read this. I can’t remember hardly anything in here. I can remember like, “To be, and not to be.” Right, that’s it. I can—I can recall accurately, like, 10 tokens, 15 words out of 800,000. If you were to ask a language model, “Recite part of Act Three, Scene One from A Midsummer Night’s Dream,” the model could do it with way more accuracy than—than you or I can.
So, their memory is substantially better, and they have much more of it.
Think about something like Project Gutenberg, the open-source, free project to digitize and make freely available public domain books. AI has read all of it. You and I probably read just a fraction of it. So a model’s understanding of the world from an academic perspective is much more vast than you or I.
Second thing is machines don’t have selective memory beyond what we provide in the prompt. Our memory association—yours and mine—particularly for long-term memory, are rooted in emotions. We don’t store data factually, we store data in emotions. And when we—it’s funny, when we recall memories—when it actually brings data out of storage—we are regenerating it for the first time, based on what we remember. And what we remember is rooted in emotion.
Machines don’t have that. Machines don’t have emotions. So their—their recall mechanism is very different.
Think about this—this to be true. Think about—think about that first date with that special someone, right? Or think about that—that—that dinner you had that—that amazing, special occasion, the one you just—you can still—you can remember what it was. You can probably, mentally, recall the taste of it, like how—how well the thing was cooked and what sauce was on the side and what the dessert was, but you can’t remember what you had for lunch two weeks ago, because what you had two weeks ago was not emotionally resonant. Your brain didn’t reach the activation levels. It says, “Yeah, let’s store this data.” Like, “Yeah, it’s fine, whatever it was. It was fine.” Unless you got food poisoning. That wasn’t fine.
That’s how much—that’s how our human brains work. Machines do not work that way. Our memory is much more selective and as rooted in emotion.
Third, machines don’t have sensory information. They have limited amounts of vision, they have a lot of understanding of text, they don’t have auditory, not really. And they don’t understand—they don’t perceive the world the same way we do. Those perceptions change our associations, right?
If you—if I give you a sniff of a perfume, and that perfume happens to have an association with that special someone, past or present, suddenly, all these other memories activate in your neural network, and you’re like, “Oh, yeah. I remember that, and I remember this thing, and I remember that dance we went to. I remember this—” the—that evening in the park, and a lot of data gets invoked from that sensory information.
Machines have none of that. Machines, because they don’t have that data, they’re understanding the world is much narrower. It’s much more literal than what we have, which is much more sensory in nature. So, our brainstorming will be different, but our brainstorming will not be better or worse than machines. It’s just different.
And that’s what we conclude about AI and its ability to create—to do creative thinking. If we’re wondering which is better—human or machine for creative thinking—it depends on the task and the observed data.
Take something that is very heavily a language task like corporate strategy. Can AI brainstorm corporate strategy? Sure, absolutely. And it’s going to do that way better than any human being because as long as your prompts are good, that’s not a sensory task. That is an academic task, as a knowledge task, and it has read every strategy book on—on—on corporate strategy ever written. So it has more knowledge and more recall. It will crush that task. It will blow way past us.
Can AI brainstorm a—a new taste and net new taste combination for a dish? Yeah, but not really. Because that’s a high-sensory task. If you’re trying something that’s net new, a machine can’t taste what you’ve created. It can infer based on its knowledge of ingredients and cookbooks and all this stuff, but it doesn’t have the ability to stick its finger in and go, “Nope, needs more salt.” That sensory data doesn’t exist, and so a machine today cannot brainstorm and do creative thinking on high-sensory stuff, high-emotion stuff in the same way that you and I can. It’s just not possible today.
But that is changing. As robots go out into the world and start collecting sensory data and interact with the world, there’ll be that much more data for models to learn, and it will improve their ability to understand the world significantly better.
So, really good question. Thanks for asking. Talk to you on the next one.
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In today’s episode, you’ll discover a powerful, yet often overlooked, strategy for boosting your success with AI: Public Relations. You’ll learn how AI models learn about businesses and why a wide-reaching online presence is critical for standing out in AI-powered recommendations. I’ll explain why traditional PR strategies need a revamp in the age of AI and why volume is now more important than prestige. Discover the PR approach that will give you a significant edge in the AI-driven world.
Mind Readings: PR is the Secret to Winning With AI
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Christopher Penn: How do we influence AI models? If you care about AI understanding your business and recommending it, then your biggest investment should be in public relations. What? PR?
This is a topic that came up recently in a discussion with my friend and colleague, Michelle Garrett. Generative AI, particularly the language models, are being used by more and more people as substitutes for search engines. They’ll go to ChatGPT and ask for recommendations, for shortlists, for suggestions. And this use case is so well known that entire companies, like Perplexity, have appeared to serve this need.
The same is true for Google’s AI answers. Google has said, “Hey, people are using search in a different way now, we need to get on board.”
But to be recommended, an AI model has to know who you are and what you’re about. How do they do that? By the data they’re trained on. Where does the AI model come from? And how do they know who you are? Well, how do they do that? By the data they’re trained on. Where does the AI model come from? Well, how does that data come from?
By and large, it comes from the public web—services like the Common Crawl, which is a service that scrapes the web twice a month. That archive comprises 70 to 90% of what AI models learn from these days, depending on the model.
Unlike search engines, though, AI models learn at a sub-word level. They pay attention to pieces of words called tokens. And critically, they pay absolutely no attention to links, and, beyond a certain baseline, they don’t even pay attention to quality. They pay attention to the volume of text.
So, it behooves the AI-aware company to have relevant text about themselves in as many places as possible on the internet: on blogs and podcast transcripts and YouTube captions, news articles, in books and influencer channels, you name it. If—if you can be everywhere—be everywhere you can be—be like the American Express card, right? “Don’t leave home without it.” It’s everywhere you want to be.
And who does that better than almost any other profession? Public relations. PR. The discipline excels at getting placements—getting you in places other than the channels you own.
Now, obviously, you should be publishing your own stuff at scale, but you also need to be in lots of other places because things are picked up. So for example, when I do a guest blog post, say on Social Media Examiner, the Social Media Marketing World podcast, I see—in the—in my monitoring tool—my media monitoring tool—dozens of people making copies of that and posting summaries of it and things. I see it on LinkedIn. I do a blog post for the Content Marketing World blog—the Content Marketing Institute—that gets scraped like you wouldn’t believe. It gets me everywhere.
So who does that really well? Public relations professionals. They can get you in places other than where you create content. But not every public relations professional is alike.
The new strategy—the age of generative AI—is to be everywhere, not just top-tier publications. In the old days, in old PR, you’d be like, “Oh, I need to get in The Wall Street Journal, I need to get in The New York Times, my client wants to be on Good Morning America.” That’s fine. But from an AI—an AI model’s perspective, an article in The East Podunk Evening Circular is just as valuable in terms of raw text as an article in The New York Times. There’s no difference. Either one, they’re both piles of text. They’re both can be used for training data. They’re both fine.
And from a PR perspective, it’s actually more valuable to get that placement in The East Podunk Evening Circular than The New York Times, because The New York Times has been aggressively trying to restrict AI companies from using their content. East Podunk Evening News, probably not doing that. So getting the placement in The East Podunk Evening News is actually an improvement over The New York Times, right?
This is a total realignment of PR strategy. This turns PR strategy on its head to go from, “be in the most reputable publications,” to “be everywhere that isn’t like spam.”
So, if a publication has any level of credibility—it’s not like some hate group’s newsletter—anything above—above that bar, you want to be in it. So your PR professional, or your PR firm, needs to recognize that strategy. It is—it is, in the early days here, AI—it is a volume play. Get in as many places as you can.
So, some PR professionals understand this. Others do not. You obviously want to work with the ones who do understand this. And there’s a whole cadre of PR folks who think that AI is the enemy. They’re like, “Oh, we don’t use AI. No, no one should be using AI. AI is bad,” and all this stuff.
And some of the viewpoints have validity in that if you’re—people who are using AI and not using it skillfully, create some pretty bad results. And there’s no shortage of PR pitches that I received in my own inbox where I’m like, “I can tell that was ChatGPT.” You didn’t even remove the markdown syntax from—from your pitch. You didn’t—you just copy and pasted it right out of the tool. The best is when it says, “This prompt should be” like, you don’t really know how to use those tools. But at least those folks are trying.
There’s a whole like—there’s a whole cadre of folks who will not—will actively resist AI in any incarnation. You do not want to work with them. They will not help your business. They will not help you achieve your goals.
And if you’re vetting a PR firm, or PR professionals to hire, you want to—you want to hire people who are avid and eager to use AI and to understand its impact on the profession, not people who are resistant. So be very careful who you hire. People who resist AI are not going to understand how the technology is going to change your business and are not going to help you achieve your goals of working in the new environment, whether or not we like it, whether or not we think it’s a good idea. We need to adapt to the way people use the technology now.
So, my advice to companies who want to do well in generative AI models is to realign your PR strategy to focus on volume and pour as much budget as you can spare into it to be in as many places as possible, from guest articles on the local news to relevant post comments on LinkedIn. Every piece of text counts.
And here’s the good part. Here’s the good part about this. Suppose we’re wrong. Suppose, AI companies radically change how they train models. Oh, no. Your company’s mentioned all over the internet and every place your prospects go. Oh, no. What will you do, right?
So you will still win. If you are in trade publications and little local journals and stuff like that, even if there’s no AI benefit, because you’re where the people are.
And if your current PR agency or firm or team does not understand this, it is time for a new one. And you will want to put this in your RFP. You want to put this in your—in your agency search criteria: “Must be avid AI enthusiasts.” Not “understands it,” but “be enthusiasts.”
And then go check out those people. Check out the principals of different agencies, see how they’re using AI in their LinkedIn posts, their content, their blogs. There is no excuse now for a PR professional to not have a rich and robust blog because you can do it with skillful prompting. Generate tons of content with this stuff.
So that’s my suggestion to you on this particular topic, is invest heavily in public relations with the right PR professionals, and you will do well. You will have a short-term competitive advantage over a whole bunch of people who are not there yet.
And just as a shameless non-plug: I haven’t worked in PR in six years, and Trust Insights is a consulting firm. We’re not a PR firm. So you can’t hire us—that—if you do want to hire us, we don’t do that. So we’ll help you with the AI but not PR.
That’s going to do it for today’s episode. Thanks for tuning in. I’ll talk to you soon. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already. And if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.
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