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  • You Ask, I Answer: Succeeding Online Without a Personal Brand?

    You Ask, I Answer: Succeeding Online Without a Personal Brand?

    Alexandra asks, “In your opinion, is it possible to become an expert and succeed online without personal branding?”

    Of course. A personal brand is nothing more than a brand. Can a company have a runaway product without itself becoming a well-known brand? Of course. Consider how many products, services, and companies with strong brands are owned by portfolio brand companies that you’ve never heard of.

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    In today’s episode Alexandra asks, in your opinion, is it possible to become an expert and succeed online without personal branding? Of course, you’ll need to have a personal brand centered around you.

    A personal brand is nothing more than a brand.

    Right? So you can have multiple brands, right? companies do have many, many brands.

    And not all those are well known.

    Consider this.

    How many products and services and companies do you know that have strong brands are owned by a portfolio company that you’ve never heard of? Like? Here’s an example.

    Have you ever heard of sun capital or Golden Gate capital or work capital or JB holding company? Or any of these these major company names? No.

    I’ve never heard of them until I found this graphic.

    But we sure do know their portfolio pieces, right? You may not know some capital, but you probably heard of friendlies at Boston Market and Johnny Rockets.

    You may not know work capital, but you know, Arby’s and Jamba Juice and Auntie Annie’s.

    So this is a really good example of innovation, individual brands that are held by a parent brand that you’ve never heard of.

    Right? So do you need a personal brand? No, you can have collectively, you know, sub brands of things that you work on projects that you that could be well known work that can be well known, and not know the person behind it.

    Right? So can you build a blog that’s really powerful that is not centered around your name and your personality? Yes, absolutely.

    Can you do the same with a podcast or YouTube channel? Absolutely.

    Can you build a product that does really well, and nobody has any idea who’s behind it? Yep, there are so many video games that we know the name of the game, I couldn’t tell you who makes it couldn’t tell you anything about the person, the creator, the creative team, none of that.

    So when you’re thinking about personal branding, when you think about succeeding online or becoming an expert, you don’t need to make it about you.

    In fact, it’s probably better if you don’t make it about you.

    And more about the benefit that you bring, whether it’s your name, or the things that you build.

    In the end, audiences want benefit to themselves, audiences want, you know, faster, better, cheaper, they want to be entertained, they want to be educated to some degree, they want to be engaged, whether that is done through you as a human being, or the work that you create, is irrelevant to the audience.

    And it really should be irrelevant to us as marketers, we should just have something that we’re focused on, we pick something that we’re going to be building, and we build that thing.

    One of the advantages of not making something a personal brand, is that it’s actually easier to sell it, right.

    So if you make a blog, let’s call it the business success blog.

    Right, that’s a lot easier to sell to somebody else than the Christopher Penn block, right? Because the the latter is a personal brand that isn’t really transferable.

    But the business success blog, you can hand that off to anybody, you know, collect your money, and off you go.

    So when you’re thinking about your, your personal success strategy online, what’s the outcome you want? Right? Do you want to be well known as a person? If that’s the case, if that’s the outcome you’re after, then? No, you can’t succeed online without personal branding, because in that case, the success metric is being well known as a personal brand.

    Is your success metric, I want to sell this property I want to, you know, build this property and flip it like an online realtor.

    In that case, you don’t need a personal Brandon’s better than you don’t have one.

    It’s better that you you build the thing to succeed and then flip the thing.

    What goals you have will dictate the path that you choose and there isn’t a right answer.

    There is no one saying you must have a personal brand does it help? Yes.

    Particularly if you are not in the business of you know building online properties and and selling them off or, or marketing them.

    If you are the average person who is looking for something to help their career.

    That’s a case where a personal brand is is useful and we’re a product brand is not if you want to be known well enough that you can find that next job without having to spend the last seven months job searching Then Yeah, in those cases a personal brand helps and being known for the thing that you want to be hired for one of the other things I’ve seen happen is that people will build a personal brand that is not relevant to what they want to get paid to do.

    And as a result, it’s still very hard for them to find a new position, a new partnership, things like that.

    So one of the things you do have to do when you set out for your overall success strategy as a human being is decide, what is it you want to be known for? What is it you want people to call you about? You know, for myself, if you have questions about data analytics, and marketing and stuff, I want you to call me about those things.

    I don’t want you to call me about my cooking recipes, right? I may post things on Instagram for like things I’ve cooked.

    But that’s not what I want to be known for.

    So I’m not going to devote substantial amounts of online real estate to those things, even if they may be entertaining.

    They’re not relevant to the core promise of the brand.

    When we talk about brand, the best definition I’ve ever heard is from z.

    Frank, the entertainer who said, way back in 2006, a brand is the emotional aftertaste of a series of experiences.

    So why it is monarchy jokes.

    That’s why you can sell grandma’s cookies, but you can’t sell old people’s cookies, even though they’re functionally the same thing.

    They have a very different emotional aftertaste.

    So in your building of a brand, what is that emotional aftertaste that someone should have after a series of experiences? That’s one of the reasons why people tend to gravitate towards personal brands, because it’s easy for them to understand the emotional experience that they want to deliver to somebody.

    And it’s intricately tied to who they are as a human being.

    But there’s absolutely nothing that says, that has to be a person right? Again, think about all those brands.

    When you hear a brand like el Sonic or Red Lobster or Auntie Annie’s does it conjure up some sort of emotional experience? You know, maybe Taco Bell? Does that, does that resonate with you in some way? For some people? Yes, there’s I have a very strong emotional reaction to that.

    Now, they may actually start salivating, or other people may conjure very different emotion, like had a bad experience there.

    But either way you’re invoking an emotion.

    So if you’re taking the product branding approach, again, be clear what the emotional experiences that you want people to have, in the end, what the emotional aftertaste people should be left with.

    If with yourself as a person, what do you want people to feel? And what do you want them to feel one day remember you, I when, when they go for recall? Again, if somebody is thinking about a marketing analytics problem, I want them to recall my name.

    I don’t want them to recall my company’s name I there’s an example of two parallel brands that are very closely tied together.

    But if you recall, Trust Insights, and you don’t recall my aim, that’s fine, and vice versa.

    Either way, the brands are going to work together.

    So yes, you can become an expert and succeed online without personal branding, depending on the approach that you’re taking.

    And the outcome that you’re looking for.

    You cannot succeed it.

    You cannot succeed it without a personal brand.

    If your goal is to have a personal brand, it’s just basic logic.

    But you absolutely can succeed.

    If you want to be the the wizard behind the curtain if you will.

    Yeah, follow up questions on this topic, leave them in the comments below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Building a Personal Brand in 2020?

    You Ask, I Answer: Building a Personal Brand in 2020?

    Misha asks, “Do you think it’s easier or harder to build a strong personal brand now than 10 years ago?”

    It’s different but the principles are still the same. On social media, mainstream social media now requires ad spend whereas 10 years ago it didn’t, but tons of niche social networks still provide the same opportunity. SEO is somewhat more competitive but actually values domain expertise now. Measurement is much easier.

    The big question that has remained consistent is: what value do you offer that others need?

    Kevin Kelly from Wired described in 2008 what it takes to be successful – 1000 true fans. That’s a great benchmark for your personal brand. Who can you get to show up?

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    In today’s episode, Misha asks, Do you think it’s easier or harder to build a strong personal brand now than 10 years ago? It’s different, it’s different now than it was 10 years ago, 10 years ago, social media is still relatively new, you know, talking 2010, facebook, facebook was even open to the general public and Twitter was still a thing.

    YouTube was a thing.

    But certainly, Instagram just opened up because they just celebrated the 10 year anniversary.

    So it was easier to be seen as an early adopter of what eventually become some of the major platforms.

    Whereas today, social media, at least on mainstream networks does require you to spend some money right to request some ad spend.

    But today, there are tons of niche social networks that provide the same opportunity, right, you can become well known within a single discord or slack server, you can be on any number of new apps, you know, there’s certainly no shortage of rising Tiktok stars right, but have amassed huge audiences, you can still get a lot of attention for having a really good YouTube channel, it takes time.

    And things like SEO, it’s, it’s more competitive, because there’s just more people online.

    But the way the algorithms have changed, really does reflect and value domain expertise.

    Now more than it did 10 years ago, 10 years ago was, it was mostly a game of SEO tricks.

    Whereas today, those tricks work much less well than they used to.

    So from a tactical perspective, it’s about the same, it’s about the same to build a strong personal brand.

    Measurement of a personal brand is much easier today, much, much easier than it was 10 years ago, 10 years ago, we didn’t even have multi channel attribution models that were generally available.

    Today, that’s something that any person can have inside their Google Analytics, your social media analytics are easier.

    Your brand analytics are much easier.

    The thing that the thing has remained the same.

    And the question that everybody who wants to build a personal brand has to answer that is completely the same as what value do you offer the world? What value do you offer that other people’s need other people need? If you are just another talking head talking in the space, you know, talking to the air, ruminating without any point or any focus? And most of all, any value, then yeah, it’s going to be almost impossible to build a personal brand because nobody needs that.

    Nobody wants that.

    We do live in a more crowded online space than ever before.

    Right? Nobody needs another podcast.

    With the millions of them.

    There are now.

    So what do you offer? What is your value? And not? What is your brand’s value to you? We know everybody understands that part.

    What do you have to offer the world that the world wants and needs? And that’s the question that was true and and tough 10 years ago, it’s the questions tough and true today, what is your value to the world.

    And if you’re not sure, don’t worry about building a personal brand.

    Figure that out first, figure out what you have to offer the world first.

    That is of value that the world needs the world can’t do without and then building the personal brand.

    I don’t want to say it builds itself because it doesn’t but it’s a lot easier to build because you are clear about your message.

    You’re clear about your purpose.

    You are clear about the reasons why somebody would talk to you in terms of measuring your personal brand.

    There was a fantastic essay from 2009 2008 by Kevin Kelly at wired, I think it was at the time who described what it takes to be successful in the new economy and that is you need 1000 true fans now but these are 1000 true fans, these are the people who show up when you say you’re going to do something you’re going to go live you’re going to be doing an Instagram channel takeover, you’re going to be doing this or that.

    And if 1000 people keep showing up for you, you have the ability to make a substantial living right because you have 1000 people to give you 100 bucks a year.

    That’s that’s 100 grand.

    Right That’s that is that’s a living money.

    Especially in other parts of the world where cost of living are lower compared to say, you know, the the the most expensive nations to live in.

    If you have here making $100,000 a year and you’re living in you know below Lee’s or Croatia, or, you know, parts of Malaysia, you’re living like a king, and you are doing super well.

    If you live in Silicon Valley, not so much here in a cardboard box in somebody’s backyard.

    So the question for your personal brand is, how many true fans do you have? And again, this is something that you can tell really easily by appointment setting, right? You say you’re going to go live? Fridays at noon? Right? How many people show up? How many people keep showing up? How many returning users do you have to your website? Right? How many people consistently engage with a post you put up on Facebook or Twitter or wherever.

    If it’s not 1000, the thousand is what to aim for, to provide so much value of that thousand people reliably show up all the time may not be the same thousand, but 1000 people show up reliably all the time.

    And that’s when you know, you’ve you’ve succeeded in building a strong personal brand.

    I’m somewhere in the 35 range, right? So I’ve got a lot of work to do, still to make sure that people show up.

    Right? If you send out an email newsletter, do 1000 people read it, right, do 1000 people click on stuff in it, I’m doing better on that part.

    To give you a sense of what scale that is that you’re talking, you know, you’d probably need like 100,000 audience members to get 1000 people to reliably do something and 1% of that audience.

    So your personal brand.

    It isn’t harder.

    But it requires more forethought.

    Now, it requires more systems, I think.

    And it requires you to constantly be harvesting from from places that aren’t yours.

    So that means getting people on your email newsletter or subscribe to your podcast or the things that you own are under your control.

    It does not mean building, you know, a million followers on Tiktok, you can do that.

    And you should do that if that’s your thing.

    But you don’t own that the same.

    As we said 10 years ago, you don’t own your Twitter account, you don’t own your Facebook page.

    Other companies own those and you have no control over visibility and things like that, which a lot of people found out the hard way when they spent, you know, years and big buckets of money on Facebook trying to build their Facebook pages and then Facebook in 2015 just turn the knobs and said, Okay, now everyone’s got to pay to be seen, no matter how large your following is.

    So 1000 true fans in your in systems you control.

    But yeah, it also comes down to what value do you offer that the world needs that people will seek you out for? And it’s an ongoing thing.

    It’s a living thing your brand 10 years ago should not be the same person today because the world 10 years ago, isn’t the same world as today.

    The World 10 months ago, is not the same world as we live in today.

    There was no pandemic.

    So you choose what you want to be known for, and work on building to that audience base of 1000 true fans.

    That’s how you build a strong personal brand.

    It’s a good question.

    We could spend a lot of time on this, but start there, start there.

    If you have follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: SEO Accessible to Small Businesses?

    You Ask, I Answer: SEO Accessible to Small Businesses?

    Thomas asks, “Is SEO still accessible to small businesses?”

    SEO is a high knowledge discipline. That knowledge is largely free, though some of the tools are not. However, it’s not something that’s both high knowledge and high cost, like search engine marketing (SEM) is. SEO requires three kinds of knowledge: domain expertise, audience knowledge, and technical knowledge.

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    In today’s episode, Thomas asks, Is SEO still accessible to small businesses? It’s a good question because the perception, mostly accurate in digital marketing is that everything requires more budget and more resources to get results.

    Organic social media, for example, gets little to no results for many companies.

    And so it’s become very much a pay to play environment.

    The channels that still don’t require a ton of money, things like email, and things like SEO, SEO is accessible to small businesses, in that it does not require a huge amount of money.

    It is a high knowledge discipline.

    The knowledge to make SEO work is largely free, it requires a lot of time to research.

    And most of the, the tools and SEO are either free or very affordable.

    Certainly for the average small business shelling out, you know, 99 bucks a month for one SEO tool is not completely unreasonable.

    And again, there are many, many tools that are totally free of cost.

    They’re not as good, you get what you pay for.

    But they’re not bad.

    They’re not so bad, they’re inaccessible, they don’t deliver results.

    The challenge with SEO is that the knowledge required to make it work is branches over more than one thing a lot of people think SEO is all about, you know, keywords and optimization and learning search engine tricks.

    And that’s actually not entirely true.

    Seo has three branches of knowledge that you need in order to make it work.

    Well.

    The first branch is the one that people think of the most is the technical knowledge, what do you need to know about search algorithms, and how search engines work, and all the different technical aspects of your website, you know, all your core web vitals and your largest contentful, paint all of the stuff like server optimization and PageSpeed and caching and yes, that is a fairly hefty chunk of SEO, you do need to know the technical aspects and the technical aspects can actually be broken down into like server level page level thing, and all that stuff.

    So there is a decent amount of technical knowledge that you need.

    But again, that knowledge is not necessarily expensive to obtain, at least in terms of, of money cost, it is expensive to obtain in terms of time cost, you do have to do things like you know, read search engine, Landon’s and Search Engine Journal and all these other companies that publish really good information that you have to stay current on alita solace is E newsletter, SEO FOMO is an excellent one, I would recommend anybody interested in SEO, read that newsletter comes out I think, a couple times a week.

    And it’s to wrap up a really good digest of the stuff that’s happened in the search engine world.

    So that’s the first kind of knowledge you need.

    The second kind of knowledge you need is domain expertise, your business and your, your niche, whatever it is, is going to have a lot of stuff in it a lot of knowledge that you need, that will inform your content strategy, and your overall marketing strategy.

    And that should be reflected in your SEO.

    For example, if you are a coffee shop, and you only know how to make like drip coffee, then you’re not going to be creating content about things like say espresso, right, which topically semantically is strongly related to coffee.

    And so having wide domain expertise, thorough domain expertise in your business is essential to understand all the different things that are associated with what you have to sell, and the ways in which people will probably search for them.

    The big thing here is in understanding the demand cycle.

    So a lot of folks with SEO tend to take the very shallow approach either branded, you know, people searching for, say Trust Insights, right, my company or searching for marketing, analytics consulting, right, the very obvious types of demand and those are certainly things that I want to optimize my website for.

    But then there’s a bunch of things that are next to that, right that are indicative of a problem, but not necessarily somebody looking for analytics consulting, somebody looking for like how do I set up channel groupings in Google Analytics right that is something that if you have good domain expertise, you know is a thing you know, is a problem.

    It is not a problem that is directly related to the words you know marketing analytics.

    But absolutely is relevant and part of the discipline.

    So having that domain expertise to know what are all the things that are adjacent to your core business, and which of them are going to drive business to you.

    And the third knowledge is audience knowledge.

    knowing who your audience is, and how they search is really critical.

    If you don’t know how the audience behaves, if you don’t know what they’re likely to type into a search engine, or ask a smart assistant sitting on the desk or talking to their phone, it’s going to be very hard to optimize.

    And so this requires knowledge not only of your domain, but it requires knowledge of things like linguistics, understanding how people use language, somebody who is sitting at their desktop is probably going to type in, you know, analytics consulting, right, very short, terse keyword, somebody talking into the phone, it’s going to say, hey, Google, where’s the nearest coffee shop? To me? That’s open right now.

    Right? And so you’re optimizing for very different things in those cases.

    But you can see how knowing your audience knowing how they search, knowing what they search on, and knowing how those devices change, their behavior is essential.

    And this is why SEO is a high knowledge discipline.

    Is it inaccessible to small businesses? from a financial perspective, no, from a knowledge perspective, the answer is maybe because as every small business owner knows, you only have so many hours in the day.

    Do you have the ability to, if you’re a sole proprietor become an SEO expert? Realistically, maybe it depends on on how much sleep you need.

    If you are a small business, you know two or three or four, or anything out of 10 people, but yes, it is then possible to potentially add that in or bring in a contract or an agency or something to help you out with it.

    So it is still somewhat accessible, is it as easy as it used to be? No, same as with social media marketing, social media marketing used to be very straightforward, you go out there, you’re talking about stuff, you interact with people and and you reap the results of that effort.

    It’s substantially harder now, because of the way the AI algorithms behind social media networks function, you have to have I’m not getting as another high knowledge case.

    So I would say it’s moderately accessible.

    I think, for sole proprietors, it can be very difficult.

    For a small business with no less than 10 employees, it is accessible, if you have the ability to have to task one of your employees to become an SEO expert if if they have that aptitude, and if not, there are certainly a decent number of agencies out there some good some not so good.

    But that is that is more accessible and more realistic.

    Are you going to build the next big thing and become a billion dollar company overnight? Absolutely not not with SEO.

    It is possible to build a business on it.

    But it is also very risky.

    Be very careful about putting all your eggs in one basket, particularly with search algorithms because you may be in favor today.

    It may be out of favor tomorrow and can lose a substantial part of your business overnight literally, and is not under your control.

    So it’s a good question.

    Small businesses should absolutely be part of their marketing mix, but they should not bet the entire farm on it.

    If your follow up questions, leave in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Finding Ideal Audience on Twitter?

    You Ask, I Answer: Finding Ideal Audience on Twitter?

    Erika asks, “How do you find your ideal audience on Twitter?”

    Twitter is one of the easiest networks to map and understand. Using techniques like network graphing, you can quickly find the engaged, interested audience you care about for your business, on any topic. Watch the video for an example.

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    In today’s episode, Erica asks, How do you find your ideal audience on Twitter? Well, I guess it depends on how you define an ideal audience.

    But Twitter is one of the easiest networks to map and understand that API is relatively generous with information.

    And it contains information that is incredibly valuable.

    And that information is how different users interact with each other.

    If I tweet at you, Twitter presents data that allows me to map out one part of the network, talk to another part of the network, and vice versa.

    That’s not something that you can get at all out of LinkedIn, can’t get it really out of Facebook, Instagram, you can sorta get it but only if you have access to the Instagram Data API, which not many people do any more.

    Can’t do that on Pinterest.

    So that’s one of the reasons why Twitter forms the backbone of most influencer mapping tools, in fact, arguably a little too much, a little bit too much, because it’s the most visible of networks.

    So what is it that you would look for in an ideal audience, you would look for an audience that is topically relevant, you would look for an audience that is highly engaged.

    And you look for an audience, it’s mostly human, right? That’s those are really the kinds of things that you’d want to be looking for, to understand.

    And follow those folks.

    Because they’re the ones who that would then be interacting with you, and their interactions with you and make you visible to their audiences.

    Right? It’s the whole Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon thing where if you’re visible, and they’re visible, and so on, and so forth, you can be seen by many more people than you might think.

    So how do we find this? Well, let’s switch things around here.

    Let’s move over to our our visual display here.

    The first thing we would need to do, and this is not shown on screen is get the data out of the Twitter API.

    You can do this with social media monitoring tools, I use Talkwalker, you can query the API directly.

    If you have programming skills.

    Once you get that information out of the API, you map it to.

    It’s basically a big spreadsheet of who talks to whom this over and over again, all these different conversations.

    And what you end up with is this kind of chart.

    This is a network graph.

    And this is a bunch of tweet chats about SEO, social media, public relations communications, for the last month, I’m going to go ahead and hit the Run button here.

    And let’s turn off our strong gravity here.

    And what we’re mapping is how people interact with each other and zoom out a little bit.

    And you can see there are some nodes that are bigger, they’re a larger nodes, because those are nodes that people talk to more.

    And there are some nodes that are small will have a lot of outgoing connections.

    Those are very talkative people who are talking to others.

    Right.

    This is also by the way, the backbone of influencer identification, who is the most talked about, right, because whoever’s the most talked about that account clearly has the attention of a lot of people.

    And if your brand your handle whatever was mentioned or talked about by that node, there’s a good chance a lot of people would see it.

    And they’re the right kind of people.

    They’re the kind of people who they are.

    Their team.

    tastemakers, right, they’re mavens, if you want to use the Malcolm Gladwell term, when they talk, everybody listens.

    And so when we’re doing our audience construction, we would want to follow everybody on in this chart here.

    But especially if we can win over those big accounts.

    So let’s go ahead and stop this now that the network is formed and move over to our preview mode.

    And let’s make this look attractive.

    Okay, so now we can see all these different networks.

    Now, if I care more about, say SEO, this green audience is definitely the SEMrush audience and I’d want to follow them and all these people who are in their audience, I care about content marketing, as you see my here.

    There’s an awful lot of you know, this purple ish magenta ish audience.

    Again, folks that didn’t want to spend a lot of time following if I cared about things like communications, public relations, SF Erica and this, this cluster here would be the people to follow.

    So what we see is let’s zoom into the blue cluster here.

    We’ve got some additional folks in this you know, lightest blue cluster, I’m not sure what account they’re most associated with, but we can see those these different communities within the Twitter chat room.

    That would want to engage with follow all the people who are in the green community or the purple community or the great dark gray community.

    Now, you do have us on Twitter, that’s of course not, you would put in the industry search terms of your choice into your social media monitoring tool to extract the raw data out.

    If it’s industrial, concrete, or coffee shops, or b2b, SaaS, firewalls, whatever the thing is, finding your ideal audience is identifying who’s talking about the topic, how they interact with each other.

    And then following the people who are the most interactive in that topic, right.

    That’s how you find your ideal audience.

    Those are, that’s how you make your account grow in a sensible way.

    Because you’re talking about and to the people who are having conversations about your, your topics and keywords.

    This is especially powerful if your industry has terms or words or jargon that other people don’t use, right, I used to work in financial aid.

    And there’s this form that many parents know that nobody likes the FAFSA, the Free Application for Federal Student Aid, that is a term that you don’t use, except in the context of financial aid.

    And so following everybody who uses that term, and then mapping out that conversation cloud and finding who the most influential people about that term would be a great way to very quickly grow an account, say if you were creating a social media account about student loans and financial aid.

    That’s how you do that.

    If you are in email marketing, there are the three protocols SPF dcam, and demark.

    If you were trying to grow an email marketing account, following people who are using those terms, would be a clear and easy way to map out that audience and understand who the big names who are the most talked about in that particular audience.

    So having that jargon, makes it very easy to slice and dice down.

    Same with hashtags.

    If you have a major trade show once a year, taking that trade shows hashtag, and then seeing who’s having conversations, especially this year 2020, when all the shows are virtual, and many are free, you can map out and see people having conversations about a show that they might not have paid to go to in the past, but because it’s free and online this year, you can see those conversations, map them out, and then build your audience from there.

    So that’s how you find your ideal audience.

    Now, the bad news is that this process, there isn’t an off the shelf boxed product, right.

    This is typically something you have to do yourself or hire somebody to do it for you.

    Because it’s connecting three or four different technologies together, gluing them together, and building this map.

    But once you do it, and once you have, you know, you’ve collected the data, you don’t have to do this every single day, right, you can effectively pull up the spreadsheet for this, you get out of it an output that looks just like a any ordinary spreadsheet.

    And with all the different rankings of who’s most important within your your space.

    And that is your starting point, right? You have all the handles, and you can just go through, go down and start following people and see you know how your audience goes based on who follows you back and then it’s up to you to have interactions with these people.

    Right? So the most follow the most engaged folks, you don’t just follow them and expect magic happen.

    You have to go and do the work right? You have to go and engage with people.

    You have to have conversations, share their stuff, everything that you would any public relations professional, but no, it’s like these are the things I need to do to get the attention of the tastemakers in my industry, following them, engaging with them be sharing their stuff, retweeting them, commenting, liking their stuff, all that kind of thing to build your network.

    So that’s the last part of the process is doing the work to engage that ideal audience.

    But this is how you do it.

    If you want to do it as fast as possible and as effective as possible.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: College Degree for Marketing Success?

    You Ask, I Answer: College Degree for Marketing Success?

    Mark asks, “Do you need a college degree to succeed in marketing?”

    Like any profession, success in marketing is about combining knowledge plus practical application to generate experience. How you obtain those pieces is up to you, but for many employers, a college degree is a heuristic they use to screen and judge candidates.

    Generally speaking, you’ll see statements like “or equivalent years of experience” on more progressive job ads. You have to be able to demonstrate that you’re more talented than someone with equivalent educational background.

    One final consideration: more and more of HR is automated. A degree is a simplistic way for systems to filter candidates.

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    In today’s episode Mark asks, Do you need a college degree to succeed in marketing? Well, like any profession, you know, success in marketing is going to be a combination of your academic knowledge, understanding the theory, the frameworks, all the pieces.

    And combining that with practical application, there are plenty of people who have great theoretical background, and can’t do anything.

    There are plenty people who have hard working skills, but have to reinvent the wheel constantly, because they don’t have the academic knowledge to essentially take proven shortcuts to make processes run better.

    How you obtain that combination of academic knowledge and practical experience is up to you.

    A lot of people, the vast majority of people in marketing go the college route, where they take some form of higher education, whether it be a bachelor’s degree, a master’s degree post, baccalaureate certificate, all these different things, to get the academic knowledge and then enter the workforce.

    Now, here’s the catch.

    To the employer, that is a results only work environment.

    Your academic background matters substantially less than can you get the job done, can you deliver the results.

    But for the average hiring manager for the average HR person for the HR systems that are in place that have algorithms screening candidates, a higher education of some form is a heuristic it is a single data point, that it’s easy to make a snap judgment on and that snap judgment allows the person or more and more of the system to shortcut, right to say, Okay, this person has this academic background, they move into the the viable candidate pool, this person does not.

    And the challenge with a lot of these HR is systems is that you don’t really get a chance to make your case because the system has already screened you out.

    Right? You have already been removed from consideration.

    And you don’t know why.

    Right? You don’t necessarily see that.

    Because none of the hrs systems out there will spit out a here’s why you are rejected, right? You would have to follow up with the company and maybe get an answer from them.

    But they themselves may not necessarily know why the system did or did not choose you.

    And if you check out the major vendors in HR, many of them use very sophisticated systems and algorithms for screening candidates to make Candidate Selection easier, particularly in an environment like we have right now recording this on the tail end of 2020, where you have many, many more candidates than you do job openings, right.

    And so you will post up a job opening and get three, four or 500 candidates.

    And the average HR manager does not have the time to do that for you know, the 10 or 15 or 20 job openings they have.

    So the system will do the screening upfront.

    Thus, having that degree does satisfy the system requirements whether or not you’re any good at anything.

    I mean, heck, we all know people that we went to college with who were intellectually not as gifted, right? Who or maybe didn’t work quite so hard as they should have unless you count drinking heavily is working hard.

    But at the end of the day, like the the old joke goes, What do you call the person who graduated last in their in their medical school class who call them doctor right? The person out there in marketing who has the degree even if they’re they got by with a 61.

    Right, they are still they still have a college degree.

    And in a system that is automated, that it looks at a very black and white comparison degree no degree, that person still gets the nod even if they’re completely incompetent.

    more progressive firms will definitely put things like or equivalent years of experience in their job ads, they will say like a four year degree or equivalent experience.

    So you have to be able to demonstrate in those ads that you do have the replacement experience for the college education.

    And that can be a little bit tricky.

    But more than anything, when you are you look at the candidate pool overall.

    And you look at what’s out there, you can see that there is a very strong bias in marketing to have some form of higher education.

    So let’s bring up this data.

    So this is the data from up here.

    This is the data from the iPads integrated post, post secondary education data system from the US Department of Education.

    These are for college degrees in marketing, the percentage share of people out there and what kind of education they have.

    So we see that the bachelor’s degree forms at 4.95% of all the post secondary level the educational status out there.

    And that is that consists of 40,000 people per year, that has gone up substantially.

    Since 2011.

    crank this out, this data only goes to 2017, because the Department of Education does lag up very substantially and their data collection, and we can see that other outcomes master’s degree less than one year post secondary certificate etc.

    Form substantially smaller amounts.

    If you combine a bachelor’s degree and a master’s degree here, 85%, and almost 7%, there’s 92 ish percent of people in marketing have some kind of higher education degree.

    When we look at the non higher education degrees, we have an associate’s degree, which comprises about now three and a half percent.

    And you can see that’s been on a sharp decline since 2013.

    And one to two year post secondary education certificates, which are essentially non the candidate pool there, the number of people is very, very small.

    Right? So what we see is that there is a very strong bias in the marketing profession for people to have that that substantial post secondary education Do you need it to be successful? It depends.

    If you’re planning on working in a larger Corporation, you’re planning on working in a in a larger agency, you probably do need it.

    Right, you probably do need it because you’re going to get screened out.

    If not, if you work at a smaller agency or a startup or things like that, probably not, you won’t need it as much, right? Because those hiring processes tend to be more personal, they tend to be not as automated.

    And you have the ability to at least plead your case, right before a hiring manager, I remember when I went to go work at my first startup in the early 2000s, you know, the hiring process was come in and sit in this shabby little office and, and, and just talk through the things that they had going on.

    And it was a great opportunity to be able to explain my background.

    I do have a higher education degree, but it was not relevant to marketing.

    And we explain how that degree translated or could translate into success for the organization.

    And it did actually a few years later.

    But the point being, you have to find the type of company that is willing to accept a non traditional background, at a non traditional background where you don’t have what the system is looking for.

    If you want to work within the system, the the bigger stuff out there, you need the degree.

    There are other things that a college degree can bring.

    And some people do experience things like alumni networks, and being able to to reach out to people who have that common experience.

    I’ve never had to use that.

    My networking has always been digital in the wonderful world that we live in.

    But there are some people that they rely heavily on that.

    And so that is a benefit potentially, that you could realize from a college education.

    So in short, there’s no conclusive answer as to whether you need a college degree does it help you succeed? Yes.

    Hey, does it help you pass muster from increasingly automated systems? Yes.

    Does it preclude you from success? If you don’t have one? No, but it makes things harder, it makes things more difficult.

    So should you go get one? Here’s the big question, what is the return on investment? Right? If If you go to say you know, a state school or you do two years of community college and finish off your last two years at a state school, and you can graduate with little or no debt? The answer is yes, it is worth it.

    Because you will there there is a clear correlation between level of educational attainment and financial outcome right there is that is without question.

    But if you go and get in, get a bachelor’s degree, and you come out with a quarter million dollars in debt, is that worth it? That is much less clear.

    Right? In the long run, yes, but it makes for a very, very difficult time.

    So if you can be savvy and get the education at a very low cost, then by all means, do so.

    Right.

    Another option for a lot of folks to consider less so during a pandemic but is getting higher educational attainment overseas somewhere at at a non American University for if we’re talking about America here, which has been my background.

    There are plenty of countries that offer very good education even for non citizens at substantially lower costs and at the end of the day, you Have a degree and the degree is no better or worse than the degree from a college in the United States you’ve never heard of.

    But it checks the box on what the system is requiring.

    So that may be something to consider as well.

    Looking for where can you get a decent education at a much lower cost? So the ROI of a college degree is less clear what with tuition and costs being what they are.

    Have a whole lot more to say on this because it used to be my profession for seven years, but say that for another time, do you need a degree? No.

    Does it help? Yes.

    Should you get one only if you can make it cost effective? If you can get strong ROI by not graduating with a ton of debt? You have follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Social Media Impact on SEO?

    You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Social Media Impact on SEO?

    Sergey asks, “Is it possible to measure the impact of your social media on SEO? If so, how would you do this?”

    I’d look at content which has been socially shared and its SEO performance versus content that has not been. Using the SEO tool of your choice, extract the data and look at the difference in the metrics to get a sense of the correlation, then set up a testing plan to establish causality.

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    In today’s episode, Sergei asks, Is it possible to measure the impact of your social media on SEO? If so, how would you do this? So that’s a good question is one that comes up a lot? Can we make any informed guesses about how social and SEO may work together? Can we see an effect of social media on SEO? That’s a really good question.

    And there are a few different ways to handle this.

    The Gold Standard would be to set up a trial to set up an experiment to create some content that is socially shared, and some content that is not.

    Here’s the challenge, you don’t have control over the audience, right? If you publish a blog post, and your audience follows it, and they start sharing it, well guess what they technically ruined your experiment, even if you didn’t want that shared, because that’s just the nature of how social media works.

    So to judge whether or not social media and SEO have any kind of relationship we have to do.

    It’s essentially propensity matching to try and create, in retrospect, those two sets of data, one set of blog posts or content of any kind, that has not been shared, and one set that has been.

    So how do you do this? Well, we would take data from the SEO tool of your choice, I’m going to use h refs here, which is one of the tools I like using, and let’s go ahead and type in my blog here.

    And what I get is, you know, some of the blog posts on my website, and let’s go ahead and remove that filter there.

    And when you look at this, in depth, when you look this up close, what you get are the traffic, that a site gets the number of referring domains to that URL, which is a good SEO indicator, right? Because we know that referring links and referring domains are still the bulk of what constitutes good SEO, and then the social shares for any given post.

    So what do we do with this information? Well, it’s difficult to do a mathematical analysis like this just as is because you’re going to run into what are called balance problems.

    Especially if you’re dealing with marketing content, or stuff that’s been marketed to people, again, you don’t have control over who shares what so you’re going to get an imbalanced data set where more content has been shared, and probably that has not been.

    So in order to get a true apples to apples comparison, we have to separate out similar apples from both buckets.

    Apples, in this case, content that has been shared content has not been shared, that are similarly shaped, right, if again, if you think about physical apples, if you’re trying to compare, you know, the average health of apples, you have one basket of apples, where the apples of the size of basketballs and the other basket where the apples of size golf balls, you’re going to get a very different result, even if there’s tactically the same number of apples in each basket, because they’re just wildly different.

    So in order to get a true compassion, we will want to find blog content, or whatever content that has similar traffic, or similar referring domains or other similar SEO measures, and some and similar social stuff together.

    So here’s how we do this.

    We start by going in the data.

    And then we essentially pair it up, you know, one to one for data that does that is similar, and that, and then we look at the difference between those two datasets.

    So what we see for this match data is that for content that has been socially shared, we’re gonna call that our treatment group.

    Because we’re going to look for any number of shares in Twitter, Facebook, or Pinterest, the lump that together and call that a one like yes, this has been socialized, socially shared, and they’re all three rows of zero, we call it a zero, like has not been shared.

    So we have our control, the stuff has not been shared, we have retreated, the stuff that has been shared.

    When we look at the traffic, what are the traffic differences? For stuff that has not been shared, on average, 38 visits from organic search on stuff that has been shared ad visits from organic search on the traffic on the number of free domains 10 referring domains on average, the mean for non shared 46 for shared.

    Now, what does this tell us? This tells us that stuff that has been shared tends to have better SEO metrics out of this pool.

    In this case, this was 36,000 pieces of content.

    In this particular selected group.

    Now, this is marketing content, right, largely to marketers.

    And so you would have to run this on your own content, right on your own website, with your own social metrics to do the same thing but for your stuff.

    This is not gospel.

    This is not generalizable This is mostly my stuff.

    And so I see that for my SEO efforts, social sharing seems to have a beneficial relationship to it.

    Now, here’s the catch.

    This is retrospective, right? And this is as good as you can get with causality.

    Unless you actually set up that experiment you eat again, even then you have no control over what other people do so like the other people can mess up your experiment.

    So by doing this kind of matching, this is as close as we can get in with real world data.

    I take this away to say that sharing has benefits for my SEO.

    And in some cases, like the number of referring domains, it’s substantial, right? It’s it’s a decent chunk of stuff.

    What do I do with this information? I keep sharing, right? If I saw that, there was no change between the control and the treatment.

    In my data.

    I go, you know, it doesn’t seem like you’re actively sharing and promoting stuff on social media has an impact.

    But I do I know, I, I share an awful lot on social media.

    And so I see the benefits of it here.

    This is how to measure that impact to get a sense of is it working? The challenge here is it doesn’t tell you necessarily ways that you can measure the say in an application like Google Analytics, we had to pull an SEO data from social data from a third party application.

    I would want to ideally substitute in Google Analytics data, if possible to match things up by URLs because Google Analytics has better data.

    And you can get paid level organic search data straight out of Google Analytics.

    So that’s the approach I would take to find out, does social media have any kind of impact on your SEO? And again, I can’t emphasize strongly enough, this is my data from my websites under my control.

    This is not other people’s stuff, your answer will vary.

    Your answer will vary.

    So please don’t assume that this applies to you.

    Right, you have to run this test for yourself.

    But it’s a good question.

    And and it is a statistically challenging question to answer.

    There are a number of techniques that try to take real world data and backfit it essentially into an experiment like setting to get a more clear answer.

    This is one of the better methods, it’s called propensity score matching.

    But you have to do it for yourself, you cannot rely on a third party to do it.

    You can’t even rely on an industry, industry level survey because again, everybody’s gonna be different.

    Right? What IBM does on its website, it’s gonna be very different than what I do with my website.

    And their content is different than that’s, you know, what marketingprofs does on their website is very different from what’s on my website.

    And so we have to, we have to do apples to apples with our own stuff as much as possible and not look to general industry examples.

    So good question.

    for follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Engagement and SEO?

    You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Engagement and SEO?

    Sofia asks, “Do social media likes, shares, and comments have an impact on SEO?”

    This is a tricky question to answer because the answer will be different for every company. Broadly, we’ve studied in the past and see no clear correlation, but it’s something you have to test for yourself.

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    In today’s episode, Sophia asks, do social media likes shares and comments have an impact on SEO? Well, so this is a tricky question, because the answer is going to be different for everyone.

    A long time ago, we did a big analysis of 10s of thousands of websites, and social shares and stuff like that.

    And broadly found there was not a strong correlation between social media activity and SEO.

    That said, it varies, it varies by company and by how you use search, because remember, the strongest predictor of SEO results is typically the number of inbound links that you get.

    If you are conducting your social media strategy for that purpose, getting people to find your content, getting people to link to your content, social media may very well deliver a strong SEO result.

    If on the other hand, you just sharing stuff and things and, and having conversations and being active in your community, then it may not have as strong result for SEO purposes.

    And I think that’s a really important thing to say is for SEO purposes, you have to measure very specific outcomes, as opposed to just general traffic, etc.

    So how would you know this? How would you know this? Well, the way to determine this is by using statistical tools to test you need your page view data from Google Analytics, you need your paid organic page searches from Google Analytics to see if you’re getting search traffic.

    And you need some kind of SEO metric like page authority page authority is available from almost every SEO tool out there.

    h refs, which is the tool that I use, delivers that so to do the others like SEMrush, and Moz, all these other ones.

    And, again, what we’re looking for is what has the highest mathematical relationship to that.

    So let’s flip this around here.

    What I’ve done is I’ve gone into my database, and I’ve pulled in 800 pages from my website with Google Analytics, traffic numbers, and pageviews, clicks.

    Facebook shares, Twitter shares, Pinterest, Reddit, no word length number of words in the article from my database, where I have pageviews, and I have social shares.

    And we’re going to run it through a regression algorithm, this case gradient boosting, to figure out what has the highest relationship to the metric we care about, which in this case is going to be that page authority.

    And what we see here is that for page authority, total inbound links is the strongest predictor, it’s hands down the top predictor.

    And we see two weak predictors, content length, and Twitter shares.

    They’re the Twitter shares, one is a very weak predictor, it is not, I would not bet the farm on this, and then Facebook shares and Pinterest, you know, nothing.

    Nobody’s home, and Reddit didn’t make it on here.

    So for my website, if I want to predict what leads to higher page authority, it’s going to be total links, I’ve got to go get those links and social shares, at least the way I’m using social media right now.

    Clearly not using it for SEO purposes.

    Right? There’s just no evidence of that for my website.

    Now, here’s the question, is that a valid metric is that what we should be focusing on? I would argue that probably it’s not going to be as good as if I focused on something like pageviews.

    Right pays you seems to me like it’d be a slightly better thing to focus on.

    So let’s rerun this model.

    If I want actual traffic, and see what the machinery comes up with here.

    Now while it’s doing this, again, one of the things that we have to give some thought to is are we focused on the right metrics? Are we focused on an SEO metric? Or are we focused on an outcome? In this case, I’ve just changed the outcome to page views, how much traffic did I get to these from any source from any source.

    And again, we see here page authority, a very strong predictor of traffic, right? And content length, a very, very strong predictor as well.

    So if I want more traffic in general, I should focus on these things then total links is a is a medium predictor.

    Facebook shares becomes a medium predictor.

    So that’s interesting.

    In the previous example, we were focusing on an SEO metric, Facebook didn’t make the cut.

    If I focused on getting people to my page, Facebook is a usable metric here, Facebook shares, number of shares that my content gets.

    It is not SEO.

    Right? Facebook is not usable for SEO.

    If I click back to this previous plot, we can see, I’m not getting page authority.

    But here, total links, content, word count, are for traffic, and then Facebook for traffic, Twitter, not so much Pinterest.

    And of course, Reddit still didn’t make the cut.

    That probably has a lot to do the fact that I don’t really post on Reddit.

    So the question we have to ask ourselves from a strategy perspective is which metric? Are we going after more? I would say that page authority being the highest predictor of traffic means that yeah, it’s probably a good idea for me to pursue an SEO strategy.

    And then knowing that I can then focus on the thing that drives that strategy, which is getting inbound links.

    How do I go and get those inbound links? Clearly, I don’t do it with social media.

    So I have to be able to do it from sub some other way.

    And I would have to look into my SEO processes to ask, what should I be doing? To get that, to get those links? Do I need to be doing more outreach? Do I need to be creating better content? Do I need to have a PR firm representing me? Do I need to be pitching journalists on Twitter? It doesn’t really matter.

    As long as I’ve Well, it doesn’t matter.

    But what I’ve ascertained here is that for SEO purposes, social media, not super important for traffic, social media is a little more important.

    And I think that that’s a really, really important thing for you to do before you go trying to figure out, is social media, a way to drive our SEO strategy, figure out do you is your SEO strategy working? And then go and bring that information in? So that’s the process for doing this now.

    Is this something that anybody can do? Absolutely.

    And you don’t have to use this environment.

    This is a tool I’m using called R.

    You can do this in IBM Watson Studio with the SPSS modeler and not have to code.

    There are ways to do this in is drag and drop little widgets in here, drop your data in, and it will do the exact same thing.

    And you won’t have to code it’s it’s much easier.

    I just do it because it’s here on my machine.

    It runs locally.

    And it doesn’t cost me anything to do this locally.

    IBM Watson Studio does charge you after the first 50 hours of usage.

    So if it goes do this, once, it’s fine, it won’t cost you anything after a certain point, you do start running up the bill.

    But the takeaway is, does social media like shares and comments have an impact on SEO? Maybe you have to test it, you have to test it with your data, you have to test it with your site and figure out if there is a relationship, is it causal? Are you using social media to try and get your SEO strategy to move forward? If you’re not, then in a relationship you have is largely coincidental.

    Now there’s is a relationship like here, in this case for Twitter, you might want to think about should that be our strategy? But if you are doing it with a strong intent for SEO purposes, and you’re not getting the results, and you know it’s not working? So that’s how you use this information? Good question.

    Because the answer as with so many things in data science is it depends.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Brand Trust?

    You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Brand Trust?

    Stephanie asks, “When it comes to building trust, how do we know what success looks like? How can we measure it?”

    Trust is a tricky thing to measure because it’s such a core of emotion. If you examine emotional theory, especially things like Plutchik’s wheel of emotions, trust is a fundamental survival emotion. How do you measure a survival emotion?

    • Consider surveying – do you trust this brand, do you see it as a friend, do you feel this brand directly supports you and the things you believe in, will this brand do right by you if something goes wrong?

    • Examine branded organic search for the bigram frequencies around your brand – trusting words versus disgust words, which are the antithesis of trust

    • Look at social interactions – if something negative about your brand comes up, who supports you and how quickly

    • Perform sentiment analysis on interactions with the brand, especially customer service interactions

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    In today’s episode, Stephanie asks, When it comes to building trust, how do we know what success looks like? How can we measure it? Well, trust it, trust is a tricky thing to measure, because it’s such a fundamental core emotion.

    If you look back at psychology, and how different frameworks have come up to even understand the emotions, there are all these different models that you can use to try and figure out, like, what even an emotion is, and how it relates to important things like say survival.

    Trust is one of those fundamental things.

    So this is a model here, this is Robert politics, wheel emotions, you can see that in that first, concentric ring trust is on there, it’s a no six expressed by admiration, it’s opposed by disgust.

    And fundamentally, trust is one of those things is like, how do you how do you explain it? In that same thesis, he proposed that each of these core emotions has a basic survival advantage, right.

    disgust is something that happens when we ingest something that doesn’t taste good, and we spit it out, we believe, because we perceive it as poisonous, right? And trust is the opposite of that we see somebody who’s a member of our group, a member of our tribe, they’re our friend.

    And so our our action is literally to defend that person to recruit them for mutual support to help us survive.

    When you consider that that particular survivalist instinct, how does that play out when it comes to something like a brand? Oh, think about what you would expect someone to be able to say about a brand they trust.

    And the gold standard here for figuring this out for measuring this will be serving, asking people at all different stages of the customer experience.

    So surveying for at the awareness stage, for trust based questions, consideration, purchase, loyalty, evangelism at all, throughout the customer experience cycle, asking people questions, like, Do you trust this brand? Do you see it as as a friend as friendly to you? Do you believe that the brand will do right by you if something goes wrong? Right? Do you believe that the brand supports you and the things that you believe in? Do you believe that there’s a mutual support relationship? in place, there are some brands where people feel based on their interactions with the brand, though Yes, this brand will support me and this brand has supported me.

    And that can be anywhere from things like donating to specific causes, to just having working customer service, right, having a customer service department that will not make you feel like an idiot.

    All those would be things that you’d want to surface within serving, and that is still the gold standard for understanding how people feel about a brand.

    There are other things that you can do that, I would say you treat as secondary data sources, because again, the gold standard is still serving is just asking people how they feel around those trust based questions or, again, the polar opposite.

    On that we’ll have emotions, asking people about disgust based questions, things that interactions they’ve had that were negative, how many of them have they had because as everybody knows, it really only takes one screw up for a brand to to completely ruin the relationship you have with that one bad judgment call.

    I was talking with my business partner and co founder Katie robear, about one technology brand that at a conference hired an absolutely awful speaker, just terrible judgment call.

    And that has forever corrupted her feelings about that brand that brand has no chance to ever impress to work past that without like serious substantial personal interaction.

    And that’s a big part of this equation as well is in trust, because we are taking the action of friending somebody right of bringing them into our group of asking them for mutual support.

    It’s not something that the brand can do easily at scale, but is absolutely something that occurs at one to one interactions with the brand.

    So if you are spending a million dollars on this branding campaign, but you’re still paying a minimum wage or less to yours customer support team and they deliver an abuse of experience.

    You’re achieving no ground, right because that one to one interaction is how this survival instinct works.

    Now there are other things that you can use to measure this.

    So you could examine for example, branded search for by Graham frequencies to word combinations around your brand, if the number of people searching for you know your company name and scam or socks, or whatever comes up a lot, guess what, you’ve got a problem, right? You have a substantial problem, particularly if it’s around.

    Again, customer support issues.

    Looking at trust words, looking at discussed words, what are the how often those do those co occur in branded organic search, assuming someone’s searching for your brand at all, looking at social interactions, particularly social media, if something negative about your brand comes up, who supports you and how quickly right now, this isn’t not something I get this is good secondary research, because you don’t want to create a negative event just to see who pops out of the woodwork, that’s not a good idea.

    But if it’s happening anyway, use the data.

    And most importantly, be performing sentiment analysis on interactions with your brand, especially again, customer service interactions, you should be minding your customer service inbox, and looking at, again, trust words and disgust words.

    The frequencies of each the the valence or intensity of each.

    In every single email you get in every phone call, you get near Customer Service Center and every interactive chat log be scoring those intakes.

    And asking people those the questions if you can, if not just be doing the sentiment analysis, the natural language processing on those interactions, to understand how much trust or disgust is there in every single interaction.

    That is actually something that would fairly closely resemble in NPS score in some ways, and just having a composite number, and tracking it over time, how much how much of our communications had an overall valence of trust, particularly if you’re able, if you have the technology to break an interaction into thirds, and then measure the trust in the in thirds of beginning, middle and end did trust go up or down in those interactions.

    But fundamentally, go back to the basic surveying.

    And that can be surveys with a market research firm.

    It can be surveys at point of purchase or post purchase.

    It can even be surveys on your website.

    But be asking people consistently those questions like do you see this out? The brand as a friend does? Do you feel supported by us? What would you what would make you feel supported by us? What would increase your trust in us that we would do the right thing by all those questions, workout with your your marketing team workout with us.

    You’re someone on staff who has psychology experience, to better understand how to phrase those questions to get the answers you want.

    Hire a good market research firm.

    But that’s how you measure, measure.

    And then, as with all measures, you’re looking for more of what you want and less of what you don’t want.

    So again, going back to Dr.

    Politics real we’ll have emotions.

    You want more trust, you want less disgust.

    The same is true for all the emotions on there.

    You want more joy and less, you know, anger and sadness.

    Pretty straightforward stuff.

    Be careful with emotion analysis.

    be thorough, and especially be looking for bias when you’re asking these questions because it’s super easy to go wrong on those fronts.

    And again, you should have somebody with psychology experience working with you to tune those things and some good market research experience to tune those things with you.

    Make sure you’re asking fair, balanced, unbiased questions that will give you accurate diagnostics.

    Really good question a lot to dig into here.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Simple System for Brand Monitoring?

    You Ask, I Answer: Simple System for Brand Monitoring?

    Fauzia asks, “I’m looking for an alternative to Google Alerts. What do you use?”

    I use a combination of Talkwalker Alerts and Feedly; no alerting service will ever give you 100% coverage, but with alerts set up for a variety of topics and organized in Feedly, you can get reasonable coverage. You get what you pay for.

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    In today’s episode fauzia asks, pronounced, I’m looking for an alternative to Google Alerts, what do you use? So, I use a combination of Talkwalker alerts, which is a free service offered by Talkwalker, full disclosure, their business partner of my company, and Feedly.

    And the reason for this is that the the alerting techniques and the alerting notifications, you get for a lot of different alerting services, send an email to your inbox, I don’t need any more email.

    And I certainly don’t need it multiple times throughout the day.

    And it’s not an easy way to keep things organized.

    That’s been the biggest challenge with things like Google Alerts, you just get email alerts of stuff, and you’re like, I don’t want any of this, right.

    So.

    So use these tools in combination.

    Let’s go ahead and flip this around here.

    So this is Talkwalker alerts.

    One of the most useful things about it is that it allows you to to get things by RSS feed.

    So let’s go ahead and I’m going to have an alert here for me, let’s create a new alert.

    Let’s do for Trust Insights, or using basic Boolean syntax here.

    So the same things, you’d use the Google Alert.

    Let’s go ahead and choose news, Twitter, blogs, discussions, in the English language, actually, let’s leave it all languages.

    As it happens, all results and create alert.

    Now what I’ve done is I’ve turned email off, just down here.

    And let’s create one more here.

    My business partner.

    Same thing here.

    Okay, now, that’s a good first step, right, we’ve got feed for me, feed for my business partner feed for a company actually, let’s put it in for more marketing over coffee, while I’m thinking about it.

    Our Twitter handle all languages, as it happens, all results.

    Great.

    Each of these has this little icon here, which is an RSS feed.

    If you’re not familiar with RSS feeds, they are a way to subscribe to blogs, right? Let’s go over here to Feedly create a new feed and call it monitoring.

    Let’s add some content to monitoring.

    And I’m gonna copy each one of these links.

    Let’s go ahead and merge these two windows here I go.

    We’re gonna follow that, you know, monitoring folder.

    So let’s put that in the regular monitoring folder.

    There we go.

    Now we do that again.

    Now where this becomes really helpful is if you need to have this broken up by client instead of having just one folder.

    for monitoring, you could have a folder for each individual client with multiple alerts for each client.

    And one more.

    Great.

    Now we’ve got our monitoring folder set up here.

    And I obviously have to wait for it to populate because there’s nothing in that feed yet nothing has happened.

    But what will happen is over time, we will have all of our alerts show up like this.

    And then instead of having to sift through piles and piles of email, which is no fun, want to be you want to be able to come into one place, go in, check it, see what’s happening, and get in and out and you’re done.

    Right or as you know, with a lot of these services like Feedly you can track things, bookmark them, you can send them by email other people You’ve got a team, you can delegate with Feedly, because it authenticates with the Google account, if you have a team gmail account, you can set your monitoring up and have multiple people in there checking things, assigning stuff.

    So it’s a very powerful, simple, free solution for putting together some basic monitoring.

    Here’s the thing.

    With all these services, you get what you pay for.

    If you’re paying nothing for it, you can’t be mad if you don’t get great results, you if you want better results, you do have to pull out the credit card and start buying stuff, we use Talkwalker Pro service, you know, again, disclosure, they’re a partner company, but you get many more many better results out of it that way, then you do the free service, the free service is good.

    It is good.

    But it is not as thorough and as comprehensive as getting paid service, which covers like 40 different sources and things like that.

    So if you just don’t have the money, this is a simple system for monitoring stuff.

    If you do have the money invest in a heavier duty monitoring service.

    The bigger thing is just having a system for checking those alerts however frequently or infrequently, and being able to clear them out or to do something with them.

    Again, one of the things that’s handy here is if you wanted to, you could even give access to this feed to a client, right? So you could set up a team with your client, let them go in here and and see what’s happening as well if that was something that they were asking you for.

    So that’s the easy version.

    Again, I would stay away for anything that sends you more email because the last thing any of us want is more email.

    It doesn’t really help.

    And the bigger thing is making sure that we’re doing something with the data as we have it.

    So it’s not enough to monitor, you got to do something with it, whether it’s providing reporting, things like that, whether it is taking action on stuff.

    That’s what you want to be able to, to do to provide additional value.

    Your follow up questions on this? Let me know, leave a comment in the box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Content Engagement KPIs?

    You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Content Engagement KPIs?

    Erika asks, “What KPIs do you use to measure your content engagement, and where do you source the data to track them?”

    It depends on how we define engagement in content marketing. What constitutes engaging content? Reading it? Sharing it? One of the quirks of modern social media, when you examine shared content, is that sharing and reading have no statistical relationship. So first, decide what metrics constitute engagement. How? Watch the video for details.

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    In today’s episode, Erica asks, What KPIs do you use to measure your content engagement? And where do you source the data to track them? It depends on how we define engagement.

    So engagement is one of the really tricky terms because it means many different things to many different people, there are a whole basket of different metrics that generally fall into the engagement bucket on websites, like time on page, average session duration, number of pageviews, all indicate that you’re spending a lot of time on the site, right, you’re engaging with the content.

    And then there are other things you can do on a website, like, share a link, through a social widget, for example, email an article to a friend, all those would be engaging content as well.

    In the social media realm, you have all the traditional measures the three major buckets, right, like content, like, comment, share, or be the three major behavioral types that you perform in social media for engaging content.

    And the trick is this for those two domains, there’s not a lot of a lot of overlap.

    So let’s, let’s take a look here, this is a scatterplot of 7700 pages.

    And this is the number of pageviews traffic to a set of top performing articles, versus the number of total social media shares.

    What we see here is a statistical non relationship.

    What this means is that just because something is shared on social media does not mean it has any mathematical relationship with the number of views that that content gets people share stuff all the time, and don’t read it.

    People read stuff all the time that they don’t share.

    So be very, very careful about mixing these two measures together, because you can see, there is no relationship, there is nothing that connects these two together.

    So the question then is, okay, KPIs, how do we measure content engagement, then you have a basket full of metrics, right? All these different metrics, and things like social shares and stuff like that, you also have or should have a measure of what content performs the best in terms of outcomes, you care about, like conversions, right, whatever your goal completions are conversions are, every piece of content should have a number that has an outcome, right is an outcome of some kind, even if it’s, you know, zero to 100 scale, even if it’s just raw number of clicks out two buttons you care about in your website, something the way you make a determination about KPIs is you do a regression analysis, you do a regression analysis on that outcome that you care about, and all of the engagement metrics you have.

    And yes, absolutely, for a given piece of content, if you can get likes, comments and shares, get that data get time on page time and session, number of clicks away to a page on the same site, number of clicks off site, if that’s relevant, whatever information you can get.

    And what you are looking for is which of the metrics that you have either alone or in combination, have a mathematical relationship to the outcome that you care about, right? So maybe time on page is a good predictor of whether that content helps to nudge somebody towards a conversion, maybe number of times shared or emailed to a friend, if you’ve got a plug in on your website that can measure that is a good predictor of the likelihood of a conversion down the road.

    That’s how you do the KPI identification.

    And here’s the catch.

    With Erica’s question.

    Not everyone’s KPIs are going to be the same.

    Right? your content, my content, they’re different, right? I guarantee they are different.

    Because we write differently, we may cover different topics, we for sure, probably use different formats and different techniques.

    And as a result, the way that my audience behaves is the way that differently the way your audience behaves, your audience behaves very differently probably than my audience does.

    And so when you run this analysis, you will probably come up with different KPIs than I would write for my site.

    It might be time on page because I write long, dense articles and have videos embedded in these pages, right? You might have a very different type of content, there might not be a video on your page.

    So time on page Might not be relevant as relevant to what moves the needle forward, moves the ball forward for your conversions.

    So that’s why you have to do this analysis.

    Where does this data come from? As you’ve heard, it comes from Google Analytics, or your web analytics package of choice, your social media data, possibly your email data, if you’re if you’re emailing out your content, you may need to pull email, click data in from an email marketing system.

    But whatever the case may be, you’re going to want to bring all this data together, and do that regression analysis to figure out what has a relationship and then comes the hard part.

    Once you establish a correlation, you might have to establish causation just because time on page seems to be say, predictive of conversion, you then have to test Okay, well, what if you you’re cranking out 1500 word posts, go and make some 3000 word posts, double the amount of time on page, double the amount of page and double that amount of time on page.

    And once you see time on page go up, do you then see a time based change, meaning that once you start increasing the size of articles, page size of time and page increases, you then see a corresponding increase in the outcome you care about if you double time on page, and you believe that time on page predicts conversions by doubling the page view, then double the conversions.

    If you don’t, if conversions actually go down, then you have a correlation.

    But you do not have causation.

    That means that something else has happened.

    There’s a third variable, there’s another source of data is another metric that that may determine what really gets people engaged.

    But But in doing that process, you may find that Nope, there wasn’t a relationship.

    You may also find, again, when you do that first regression analysis, if there is no either Pearson or Spearman correlation coefficient above point, say, 3.2 5.3.

    If everything’s below that, you may have no correlation at all, right, which means then you’re missing data, you’re missing information, you’re missing a metric that could be a KPI and you have to go and hunt it down, find it, figure out what it is, you might have to do some engineering on your data to extract out things like time of day or day of week, you know, those could be hidden factors that you might not naturally initially think, Oh, I should put that input into my content engagement analysis.

    figuring this out, is tricky.

    figuring this out, requires a lot of detective work.

    But once you figure it out, you then know exactly which levers to pull to make your content more engaging.

    For the purposes of conversion.

    It’s not just engagement for engagement sake, it is engagement to nudge people further down your marketing operations funnel and get them to essentially do the thing that you want them to do.

    Right? You want them to convert whatever conversion means in your world.

    You want people to convert and this is how you’re measured.

    So there’s a lot of pieces you have to assemble.

    There’s a lot of data you have to assemble together in order to get the answer that you’re looking for about what KPIs should you measure.

    But once you figure it out, then you’re in really good condition to start testing and proving what what meaningful engagement is for your site.

    So really good question.

    Got a follow up question, leave in the comments box below.

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