Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Estimating YouTube Ads Performance?

    You Ask, I Answer: Estimating YouTube Ads Performance?

    Natchi asks, “What is the best way to estimate YouTube Ads KPIs performance for a certain budget, duration etc?”

    For campaigns that are in-flight and have enough data, use the Google Ads simulator. That will tell you what some common scenarios look like. Otherwise, cobble together your best estimate based on data from SEO tools in order to get budget, then use Google’s tool once your campaigns are running.

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    In today’s episode nachi asks where it is question go here? What is the best way to estimate YouTube ads, KPIs performance for a certain budget, duration, etc? So this is a a fairly common question when it comes to YouTube advertising.

    What is it going to cost the same for Google ads? What’s it going to cost? What kind of performance can you expect, and there’s a couple different answers based on what you’re currently doing with with your ads account, the easiest way to get started is if you’re already running ads, and there’s enough data inside Google ads, let’s go ahead and flip over here.

    So this is a look at the campaign budget simulator, which is built into Google ads in the web interface.

    I’m using a screenshot here, because there’s a whole bunch of client stuff can’t be showing off.

    But this is what the campaign budget simulator looks like when you’ve got an ad campaign video ad campaign running because all Google Ads run through the same central platform, you will get a little icon next to either the budget or the cost per view column, depending on whether you’re in campaigns or ad groups.

    And it’ll show you, hey, based on the last X number of days of data that your is been in place from your campaign running, here are the likely results you could get for your video campaign.

    Based on different levels of budget, you can type in a different budget number there and see, you know, what kinds of performance you could reasonably expect.

    This is probably the best tool to use.

    But it obviously requires you to already be running some ads.

    So you at least want to get some ads in flight, even if they’re not a huge budget numbers, just so that Google Ads has enough data to give you some estimates.

    And if it doesn’t have enough data, it will tell you so say like don’t have enough data available from existing ad performance to give you those insights.

    Now, that’s if you already got something running, what about if you don’t have something running in flight? Well, the answer to that is a lot less clear.

    One of the things you’ll have to take a look at is, are there data points that you could infer some of this information from? And the answer is, yes, sort of.

    But nowhere near as clearly as cleanly as Google gives you four campaigns running.

    So your best bet is always to have campaigns running one option.

    The very, a very simple one, obviously, is to go into tools like Google Trends, just to get a sense of your volume, is anybody at all searching for this thing? One of the things Google Trends allows you to do is do a YouTube search.

    So in there, you can then get a comparison to say like, Okay, how does this look over time.

    And you can choose the region you’re in, can choose the date range.

    So let’s do just for fun here.

    ham sandwich versus turkey sandwich on YouTube.

    I mean, just get a sense of Is there any search volume at all, sometimes, depending on what you’re working on, they may not be even be volume, let’s take a look at this ham sandwich as a very specific term.

    And in that case, there’s an indicator that the campaign probably is not going to do a whole lot if that’s the core term that people would be searching for on YouTube, like, yeah, it’s not really there.

    They’re the other tools that you can use as many of different SEO tools.

    This is one is ahrefs.

    Many different SEO tools allow you to choose YouTube as one of the channels to look at at least keyword performance to see like, what kind of search volume is there? What kind of click volume is there and get a sense of what are these keywords look like on a on a click basis, volume basis, etc.

    Now, there’s no costs in here, but you could at least get a sense of Okay, is there enough volume on YouTube? to at least infer, okay, if I know I’m going to pay, say, a buck a click right? What is that going to look like? 1200 clicks on a monthly basis, then it’s probably gonna be at 1200 bucks.

    That’s a starting point, to at least give you a sense of Okay, what should I be investing upfront to get those ads started and then once they get started, then you go back to the Google campaign simulator, it’s okay, now they’ve got at least some money in the system.

    I haven’t noticed put a credit card with no limit in there.

    Then you can start doing the simulator to understand that performance.

    So those would be the better ways to to estimate upfront, there really isn’t.

    There aren’t any good tools that I know of.

    That will give you really solid estimates because a Google keeps Pull out that data for fairly close to the vest and be.

    Video performance in particular is, seems to be a little more fickle than regular regular keyword search performance.

    Because the Google, the YouTube search algorithms and the YouTube video selection algorithms are, there’s a lot more ebb and flows a lot more things that swing pretty wildly a video can be put up and do astonishingly well.

    And then obviously, if that video is monetized, then the ads that show and it will be will, will vary wildly as well.

    So there’s more volatility in YouTube than there is typically in Google search.

    So it’s one of the reasons why there aren’t easy calculators on the web that you could use to make these inferences, you’d have to just kind of do your best estimates up front, and hope that it is enough to convince somebody to invest some money and then use the appropriate tools.

    So that’s the best way I’ve got right now.

    I would love to hear if you are in Google Ads Pro, specifically YouTube ads, what is it that you use? Leave it in the comments if you’ve got some useful tips for doing those estimates? We can certainly ask some of our friends who also work at agencies to see what is those places do as well.

    But those are my best suggestions right now.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Determining Facebook Ads Effectiveness?

    You Ask, I Answer: Determining Facebook Ads Effectiveness?

    Jen asks, “How can brands find out which kind of Facebook Ads work best for them?”

    You’ll need to do a content assessment in 4 layers:
    – Audience content
    – Your own content
    – Competitive content
    – Landscape content

    Once you’ve done all 4, you’ll have an understanding of what the different concepts and media types are that resonate with your target audience and can determine the ad format and content.

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    In today’s episode, Jen asks, How can brands find out which kind of Facebook ads work best for them? So this is a important question for not just Facebook ads, but any kind of ad.

    The advantage of Facebook is that it’s a closed ecosystem so that you can do apples to apples comparison of the different types of content.

    The starting point for this is content analysis is understanding what resonates with audiences.

    So you’re going to need to brush up on your Facebook data analysis skills, and getting data out of Facebook so that you can analyze it.

    There’s four different buckets of content that you need to understand.

    The first is audience content themselves.

    If you have a list of people that are customers at face, customers are your company on Facebook, looking at at their stuff, what do they share? What do you They post What do they talk about? And this can be qualitative.

    This does not have this step does not have to be strictly quantitative.

    It’s just trying to get an understanding of what stuff.

    Do people find compelling? What stuff? Do they post on Facebook? What are the things that they share? And then we share and comment on.

    Getting that sense of who the audience is, is really important.

    And you can also get some of this information, not all of it, but some of it from Facebook Audience Insights, if you have a page, and that page has at least 1000 likes, then you can start to really dig into the data and understand what are the aspects of the audience that are important, what other pages Do they like? What were their demographics, things like that.

    If you have access to Facebook data tools like Facebook, Audience Insights, Facebook, CrowdTangle, etc.

    You can pull a lot of this data and start doing it.

    Very large scale topic modeling to understand.

    For example, if your audience in Facebook Audience Insights your audiences there, you can look at the top 50 pages that that audience also likes, and examine, again, examine their content.

    Second step is you have to understand your own content.

    So again, this is this is going into Facebook analytics, and doing an analysis of the stuff that you’ve posted, what content has gotten an engagement, what content has got has performed? Well, understanding that is critical for your ad content.

    Because what you don’t want to do is just kind of create ads randomly.

    You want to create ads on things, topics, concepts, ideas, that have already done well for you for your Facebook page.

    If you haven’t done that, if you have no content that resonates Well, well.

    Facebook might not be the place for you then.

    If you’re posting and posting, posting, just getting nothing Maybe do a week of boosting posts just to see if anything resonates with your audience you might have to pay to play just to even be seen, and then make some judgments based on that.

    The third data segment you need is competitive content.

    So what are your competitors sharing? What are your competitors? What ads your competitors running? And what kind of engagement do they get on them? This would be direct competitors.

    And again, you want to see what’s popular.

    The fourth bucket is what I call landscape content.

    This is looking at companies that are functionally similar to yours, but are not competitive.

    So let’s say you own a Chinese food restaurant that delivers you, you might look at other Chinese food restaurants, you might look at other pizza restaurants, restaurants that deliver in general, you might look at instacart you might look at the coffee shop You might look at Whole Foods, basically, for people who get consumer items delivered to their house, what content is engaging with them? Are there things that are relevant to the product or service that is being shared in this landscape of behaviors? If you’re a b2b company and you sell SaaS based accounting software, what do other SaaS companies not in accounting software doing? What is working for them was like SAS based email marketing, software marketing automation software.

    Again, we’re not necessarily looking for the exact topic for those non competitive but similarly structured companies.

    What we’re looking for is audience behavior of a group of people who are receptive to the type of service that you offer, and then trying to figure out what resonates with those people.

    Once you’ve done all four analyses, you have a you should have an idea of the different concepts different media types, different topics that your audience is interested in.

    I would also suggest using a social listening tool, some guidelines, we used Talkwalker for all of our stuff.

    And again, getting a sense of those topics and keywords and related conversational things in order to understand your audience better.

    Once you’ve got all that down, then you can start creating ads, you should be able to see if in your Facebook data that videos about cats always seem to do well or videos.

    Behind the scenes videos always seem to do well.

    Even if they’re not yours.

    Even they’re competitive.

    That should give you a sense of Okay, if we’re going to run ads on a video, the video that we run ads on or the video that we put in our ads should be behind the scenes or maybe you know behind the scenes video with cats in it right.

    If content that talks about How your product works has resonated well with your audience.

    Try running some ads on that as well.

    The key is to try and align your ads as best as possible with what the audience already likes.

    Because with Facebook, you don’t get many shots at engagement, right? The algorithm works in such a way that content that gets engaged with does better content that doesn’t get engaged with get does worse.

    And it becomes very much kind of as virtuous or vicious circle of feedback, where things simply you get less and less engagement, which means you get shown less, which means you get even less engagement.

    And obviously, the only way out of the vicious cycle is to pay your way back to getting some eyeballs.

    That’s why the competitive analysis and the landscape analysis is so important because your own data may say, hey, nothing’s working.

    And if that’s the case, you need to look at other data sources to calibrate your ads on so that’s it How you can find out what kinds of ads work best for you.

    I would strongly encourage, as you do that, to test to test a lot of different stuff, if you have the budget to do so, test a lot of stuff to see what different types of content are.

    So when you do this analysis, we have four or five or six major topics.

    If you got the budget run, you know, two to three ads in each topic and see again, which one resonates the best, which one gets people to engage even with the ad itself.

    If after all this, you still not getting ad performance, it’s probably because Facebook isn’t the place for you, for your audience, even if they’re there, they may not want to engage with your kind of business on Facebook because that’s not why they’re on Facebook.

    They’re on Facebook to stay in touch with friends, to complain about politics, you know, all the things that we usually use Facebook for And so doing business with you may not that may not be the place you may be better off on a LinkedIn or Twitter or YouTube, or even an email newsletter, right? So do the analysis.

    But understand that Facebook may not be the place for you.

    The easiest way to make that determination is check how much unpaid traffic you’re already getting from Facebook.

    If it’s zero, or very close to zero, or you know less than 1% of your site’s traffic.

    Facebook might not be the place run some tests to verify it, run some ads to test that assumption.

    And if the ads don’t perform, you know, it’s not it’s not the place for your audience.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How Often Should Ads Be Changed?

    You Ask, I Answer: How Often Should Ads Be Changed?

    Jen asks, “How often do you feel like ads should be changed out and freshened up?”

    I don’t feel anything. I look at the data. Look for diminishing returns, and use that as your determinant for when to make a change. How do you calculate that? With a moving average change indicator.

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    In today’s episode, Jen asks, How often do you feel like ads should be changed out and freshened up? Well, I don’t feel anything.

    General.

    I mean, when it comes to decisions like this about your marketing, you shouldn’t be relying on your feelings.

    Because your feelings, frankly, are a little on the bias side, you may have seen the same ad over and over again.

    Or you may be looking at the same website design over and over again and you get tired of it, but you are not your audience.

    And that’s an important part to remember here is you are not your audience.

    What you do in your marketing, probably, unless you’re very much in the market for what your company sells, and not the customer.

    And so your feelings about things like advertising really should be put to the side and focus on the data.

    The data will tell you what’s going on whether your ads are working, whether your ads or not.

    Working.

    And for this particular question, there is a very specific technique that I recommend, that can help you make the determination about when it’s time for a change.

    The technique name is something called a moving average change indicator.

    And it is exactly what it sounds like, tells you if something’s changing when you look at your moving averages.

    So let’s look at a practical example of this.

    We’re gonna flip this around here.

    What I have here is basic ad data, right? You have the date of the ads, and you have the ad performance, could be clicks, could be conversions could be any number you want.

    And this is important point.

    When you’re looking at something like this, this can apply to pretty much any kind of marketing data, Facebook ads, Google ads, email marketing, you know, list performance, it can look at website traffic, whatever it is, it can help you understand sort of the diminishing returns.

    So the first thing you want to do when you’re looking at any kind of data set like this is just to get a sense of What is the data tell us? I want to do a very quick chart here.

    Now we’re using Google Sheets.

    But obviously you can use the the tool of your choice.

    And already we can see without doing any substantial analysis that there is a general down into the right line, right, we can tell that things are not going well.

    Now, here’s the catch.

    When it comes to ads, this particular look is fine and retrospective.

    But if you started your ads at the beginning of the month, wouldn’t it have been nice to know that like ads performance was not great, before we got to the end of the month and spent all that money and didn’t get the results? So how do we do this? We’re going to do what’s called again, a moving average change indicator.

    So let’s make a new column here called moving average.

    And a moving average is nothing more than exactly what it sounds like.

    It’s a window of time.

    Let’s do this.

    We take the average of the previous seven days.

    And why is this important? Well, as you just saw from the chart earlier, there’s a lot of ups and downs in this overall series.

    So let’s go ahead and chart this now.

    And you can see, but by using a moving average, we smooth out a lot of those ups and downs, and get a much closer look at what’s actually happening with a seven day lag.

    And again, you can choose any window you like, I typically like seven days, because for a lot of businesses, and in my business, in particular, Trust Insights.

    We’re a b2b company.

    And so weekends will always throw off a shorter window moving average in seven days, just because people do less stuff on the weekends.

    So here we see the moving average, and it’s changed over time.

    Now, what we really want to do is next, we’re going to create a moving average change indicator.

    And this one’s a real simple calculation.

    It’s actually the same formula as our Hawai new minus old divided by old.

    So in this case, we’re going to take the new, which is the second in the series minus the old, which is the first in the series, divided by the old.

    And drag that down.

    And now let’s go ahead and get rid of this and just chart these two columns.

    What we see here is the zero line, which tells us when our change, our rate of change has gone into negative territory.

    And then everything below this.

    Now, what does this tell us? What is it telling us? Well, it’s telling us that the moment our indicator goes below zero in this thing, it means our ads have really stopped being effective, and the longer it stays under zero, the worst performances or the worst performance has gotten by having this indicator in place.

    You You could have you could be monitoring for, you know, changes in your ad performance and know that, yeah, you hit diminishing returns, you hit diminishing returns pretty early on actually.

    And in this analysis, then you can see there’s not a whole lot that’s going on that’s, that’s good.

    This is how you tell that you hit diminishing returns.

    Once this indicator goes below zero, and it stays there for maybe two or three days, it’s time to change reds and freshen them up.

    Ideally, what you’re doing is you’re doing this sort of computation, a calculation on a bunch of different ads, and that as an individual ad drops below this line, and you say, Okay, it’s time to retire you It’s time to try you, you’re still going well, you’re still going well, you’re still showing growth, but and and so on and so forth.

    And you can cherry pick the the ads that are just have run their course they’re there, they’re out and done.

    Now, how do you implement this, practically if you’d have no other technical capability And then maybe you download your ads data, once a week, say Friday afternoons and you do exactly what we did here and just run those computations.

    And then you change up the ads and freshen them up and get them ready to go for Monday morning, if you don’t run them on the weekends, or if you do, depending on your business cycle, change the ads out whenever your slowest a typically is.

    If you have more technical capabilities, what we just did is relatively straightforward to put into a piece of software that you write something like in Python or R, that can connect to your different ad systems, download that data, and then run those computations.

    That’s a more sophisticated way of doing this maybe even sends you an email saying like, hey, ad 23 has hit diminishing returns, it’s time to retire.

    That would be the the ideal solution.

    So you don’t have to manually do this every Friday afternoon.

    And it just alerts you Hey, something’s going on with this ad.

    This ads just lost steam.

    And likewise, you could even configure it to say like, hey, this ad Picking up on usually maybe add some more budget to it, maybe do something else that is a, you know, can reinforce, maybe make some copies of interesting variations, you would think that ad systems would have this technology built in, but they, they don’t really, I can’t think of any vendor that includes this level of analysis.

    And so it’s really important to be doing it on your own.

    However you need to whether it’s manually or with, it’s a more sophisticated way of doing it.

    But this will get you improve return on investment of ads substantially over time, because, again, once it adds run its course you take it down.

    And more importantly, to the original question, just because you’re tired of it doesn’t mean it needs to be changed, right? If the performance data is still great, you leave it alone.

    You let it do its thing until it does start showing diminishing returns.

    And ideally, you’re running many variations and tests so that at any given time you’re pruning those ads that are hitting diminishing returns and you’re putting up new ones to see how they perform at Zillow, See how they run? That’s a really good question.

    Avoid using your feelings to make decisions about when to change things.

    It’s it’s not a good indicator.

    Yeah, the data is a much better indicator of follow up questions leave in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Why do Recommendation Engines Fail?

    You Ask, I Answer: Why do Recommendation Engines Fail?

    Oz asks, “Why is some consumer AI so bad? Instagram senses that I like bright-colored clothes. Then it shows me ads for bright-colored clothes that are also cheap crap that I’d never buy. What is the perspective of the companies?
    – It works great for most people.
    – We just need to get this right for 5% of people and that covers the cost.
    – We know it generally sucks but it’s better than nothing.”

    A lot of it is based on recommendation engines which have two issues – first, superficial data, and two, they’re a generation or two behind what’s current because of the enormous computational costs. Something like Netflix is going to use something like an LSTM because while it may not be as accurate, it scales much better than a gigantic, many-layer neural network that wouldn’t be able to update in real-time after you watched something.

    A third part has to do with compensation model and objective optimization. What is the objective these ad systems are tuned for?

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    In today’s episode oz asks, Why is some consumer AI so bad? Instagram, for example, senses that I like bright colored clothes, then it shows me add some bright colored clothes, they’re also cheap crap that I’d never buy.

    What is the perspective of these tech companies? Is it doesn’t that work great for most people, we just need to get this right.

    For five people, it covers the cost, we know generally sucks, but it’s better than nothing.

    So it was a good question.

    The answer has a lot to do with how recommendation engine technology works, recommendation technologies, take in datasets and essentially try and find patterns in those datasets to to predict outcomes, right.

    So if we, if you like these certain things are going to predict certain other things.

    recommendation engines can use a lot of very different algorithms under the hood.

    And one of the challenges we have and it’s a challenge in the industry overall, is that a lot of these companies don’t reveal what is in their algorithm, what algorithm they’re using? Are they using something as simple as like, a naive Bayesian classifier? Are they using something as complex as you know, a many, many layer deep neural network? Are they using, you know, k nearest neighbor clustering? We don’t know.

    We don’t know what’s under the hood.

    And so we don’t we can’t necessarily offer input as to why some things behave the way they do.

    But there’s two general considerations.

    Well, three general considerations as to why some of these algorithms Don’t spit out useful stuff.

    The first by far the most likely is computational cost.

    The more complex the algorithm, the more it costs to run it.

    And the cost here is in compute computational capacity, how fast can you get the result? With a lot of ad systems for example, you were talking about millisecond response times.

    Particularly when you’re doing stuff like header bidding, and things where there is a real time auction going on.

    And ad systems have to match and generate results extremely quickly.

    And as a result, they have to pick algorithms that are super, super fast, even if the accuracy is leaves a little something to be desired.

    I mean, it’s better than nothing.

    For those who remember the early days of digital marketing, you’d be browsing on the website and you’d have like, you know, a Medicare wheelchair program being displayed to someone who’s you know, 22 and healthy.

    It’s like, no, that’s completely incorrectly targeted.

    Speaking of which, there is always the potential for advertisers themselves simply being so bad at advertising that they they have blanket targeting.

    And all the machines cannot override a user’s preferences of the the advertiser says, Hey, I want to advertise to every living person within the boundaries of this nation.

    Okay, as long as you got the budget to support it, it’s going to do that But computational cost is a big thing.

    Second thing is what data you have going in the data that goes into the system may not be robust enough to offer anything that has true predictive power.

    Especially if and this is important, especially if companies are correctly implementing ethical, unbiased AI.

    You may not for example in a lot of cases judge somebody and you know, tune your ads on a protected class or you shouldn’t be let’s put it that way.

    And so if the advertising that comes out is incorrectly targeted because you back end you know, ethical checker said, Hey, you can’t use racist as a targeting criteria for ads.

    Okay, so now you’re gonna get, you know, Sham why, even if that’s not something that you want, because there may be some balancing happening behind the scenes to ensure that the protected class is not being used.

    A third part is objective optimization.

    And this is where this is where advertisers should be a little bit concerned.

    Objective optimization and compensation models dictate how advertising networks work.

    What does the ad network get paid for? They get paid for the impression.

    Do they get paid for the click? Do they get paid for the outcome? advertisers have been pushing to very little success over the last 20 years with digital marketing to have average to have a action based or outcome based advertising where you get paid for the lead generated you get paid for the form filled out, you get paid for the shopping cart filled.

    And understandably, the big ad networks have absolutely zero interest in doing this because it means much more rigorous computation on the back end, it means much more in depth tracking.

    There may be substantial risks to the ad network because yet You could potentially, inadvertently or intentionally be collecting sensitive protected information.

    And frankly, most ad networks realize that behind the scenes, ad performance across the board is pretty crappy.

    I mean, we think about it.

    When you look at like the click through rates on some of these ads, you know, look at these campaigns, you know, when people celebrate like crazy when they get like a 5%, click through rate, which when you think about means you wasted 95% of your budget, right? If you didn’t get more than 5% of the clicks.

    From the advertiser perspective, you’re like, well, what did I pay for? If these systems were tuned to results only? advertising? It’d be a very different and much worse calculus for the ad networks because they wouldn’t get paid unless they got the result.

    Is there a possibility that companies could pivot that way, potentially.

    But right now, everything in advertising is effectively cost per impression when you look at the back end reporting and you see All these metrics in like Facebook stuff, effective cost per click, now what you’re really doing is you’re, you’re still doing all your bidding by impressions.

    And you’re still doing all your optimization on that.

    And as a result, it doesn’t really matter to the ad network, whether or not you click on the thing beyond with a reasonable doubt, but for the most part, it doesn’t matter because they’re getting paid on the impression, not getting paid a click for the most part, then definitely getting paid on the action that was taken.

    Now if advertisers forced ad networks to to pivot and said, Look, we’re not going to pay you unless you deliver results that would drastically change.

    The machine learning outcomes that allow these systems are tuned on, it would make them computationally much more expensive, because you would have to be, you wouldn’t be able to do simple stuff like k nearest neighbor clustering, just on on impressions, right? You would have to collect a lot more data, you’d have to collect a ton more data.

    And that would make for a very, very different optimization.

    When you look at how, for example, LinkedIn works versus how Facebook works for this advertising, LinkedIn stuff works very differently because they have as one of their major outcomes, we need to keep people on this professional network so that our enterprise talent management software, which is 40% of their revenue, can draw useful data from people’s profiles and recommend it to recruiters.

    It’s a, that’s an example of a system that is much more outcome based.

    And as a result, you see a very different culture on LinkedIn, you see very different advertising on LinkedIn.

    Whereas Facebook is like, show all the show every ad possible, see what people click on.

    Cool, great, whatever.

    Same with Instagram, we get paid on the view.

    So who cares what the result is.

    So that’s why consumer AI is so sometimes untuned there’s a bunch of different reasons and there’s no way to clearly tell without independent third party audits, what’s going on behind the scenes, how it’s working.

    I would love for company He’s like Facebook, for example, to reveal, hey, this is how we do the thing.

    These are the inputs.

    This is how the system is optimized.

    But that is literally their secret sauce.

    It’s unlikely that they would ever reveal that even if they could.

    Because in a lot of cases, some of these in Facebook’s case, their neural networks are so complex.

    I doubt there’s any single human could that could even interpret what’s going on behind the scenes.

    The models are just that big.

    So really good question.

    There’s a lot to unpack in here about how these algorithms work, how they’re tuned, and what’s going on underneath the hood.

    Hopefully as time goes on, we will see advertising itself pivot more towards results based advertising as well.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Pausing Ads During the Election?

    You Ask, I Answer: Pausing Ads During the Election?

    Lea asks, “Curious about your thoughts on when to pause any ad campaigns (in US) across the board during the election?”

    I wouldn’t necessarily pause unless you’re targeting so broadly that you’ll be bidding and competing for the entire adult population. What you should do is monitor your performance and pricing like a hawk, and consider advertising on platforms like Twitter that have said no to political ads to start.

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    In today’s episode, Leah asks curious about your thoughts on when to pause any ad campaigns in the US across the board during the election? Hmm.

    I don’t know that I would pause advertising campaigns during the election unless your targeting is so like wildly broad, that you’re literally targeting anything and then everyone available.

    Certainly there gonna be some ad groups and some people who will, you know, be more politically engaged during that time.

    And there’ll be some ad networks that will be definitely swamped with political ads.

    But I would say that if you’re targeting the entire adult population of the United States, you might want to refine your targeting first, because that’s really broad and I’m going to be really, really expensive.

    What is true is that All advertisers really from now through the election should be monitoring their performance, very carefully looking for ads to underperform looking for ads that are not getting enough impressions looking for ads that are spending too much above your targets, if you don’t have a fixed target price, on your advertising, all those things, I think that would be watching very carefully and not just because of the election.

    But you know, to quote heavy email we’ve gotten in the last five months in these uncertain times.

    In this case is literally true.

    You have uncertainty all over the place.

    You have within the United States specifically, since we’re talking about the election.

    You have massive disparities in economic performance based on whether a individual state or region is open or closed or whether they’re the pandemic is causing issues, whether there are political activities.

    rallies, you name it.

    There’s a lot of uncertainty right now.

    And so you may want to even go to the route of having different campaigns for different regions, depending on what’s going on in that region.

    Right.

    If you were advertising in, say, New England and the Southwest, you might see the Southwest performance change be very different than New England’s because they’re in a very different stage of the pandemic.

    I would say that you should consider advertising on platforms that have said, No, no political ads at all.

    Twitter, most prominently has said we’re not taking any political ads.

    And while there’s certainly no shortage of legitimate and, and illegitimate political activity on Twitter, it’s all organic, Lee based.

    So you’ll want to consider running ads on that platform because you know, you’re not gonna be competing with political campaigns.

    with the understanding that you will also want to be very careful about how you target no matter what platform you’re running on.

    You can bet that organizations and political action committees and all these things will be, you know, running their most extreme partisan ads possible.

    From now until the election, and depending on your brand, and depending on on your audience, there are some ads that you may not want to have appearing near content about, you know, I don’t know aliens, you know, reptilian aliens running Washington DC, which apparently is a real thing that some people believe you might not want your ads.

    Next to that.

    It just as much as a publisher may not want certain ads, an advertiser may not want certain publishers.

    So be very vigilant about Where your ads appear? About which, if for example, on Facebook, which groups you might want to exclude on Google ads, which websites you might want to exclude? Are there specific topics and the specific keywords? You may not, for example, want your ads to run.

    If the content or the context contains either of the presidential candidates names, you may just want to say Nope, I’m gonna nope out of here and, and just let let our ads run somewhere else.

    It’s a good call to action to investigate your ad targeting anyway, and refine it and improve it, cleaned it up tune it.

    These are all good things to do with your advertising.

    So I would say that’s the approach I would take rather than just going for a blanket pause.

    Again, depending on your organization to you may or may not be want to advertise on certain ad networks because of the political or social implications.

    of doing so there are any number of organizations that said, for example, they will not advertise on Facebook until Facebook fixes its disinformation problem.

    And its inability to filter out, you know, clearly fake information.

    So that is part and parcel of your company and its mission, you may, you may have that be influencing where you advertise as well.

    But I wouldn’t put a blanket pause on anything unless, you know, something like else horrendously tragic happens, in which case, you may want to have that emergency stop button as we all do for all kinds of situations that occur.

    Make sure that your social media policies and your advertising policies and procedures and processes within your organization are up to date, so that you can hit pause if needed and have it be very rapid.

    But yeah, it’s been an interesting year.

    It’s going to continue to be interesting.

    times be thoughtful and careful with your targeting be thoughtful and careful with your creative.

    The rule of thumb, I would say in general, is that if you have to ask is something appropriately, chances are it’s probably not.

    Whether it’s an ad or organic content or what have you.

    Um, just be thoughtful be asking yourself on a regular basis.

    How could this be misconstrued? Like if your ad shows up someplace that you didn’t want to? How could this be misconstrued? As a relatively safe question to ask yourself on a regular frequent basis? Good luck with your advertising? And, and yeah, good luck.

    If you have follow up questions about this or any other question, please leave in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Makes Effective Facebook Ads?

    You Ask, I Answer: What Makes Effective Facebook Ads?

    Jen asks, “How can brands find out which kind of Facebook Ads work best for them?”

    One way to approach this problem is with large scale data analysis. In your industry, gather up a list of Facebook Pages and use any service which can address the Facebook API like Facebook’s Crowdtangle, then filter to only sponsored posts. Sort by engagement, and then begin the work of analyzing what sets the top 10% apart from the rest. Is it copy? Imagery? Timing? Audience size?

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    In today’s episode, John asks, How can brands find out which kind of Facebook ads work best for them? Interesting question, the way that I think you would tackle this problem, or at least one way that you could tackle this problem was with large scale data analysis.

    The Facebook API does allow some limited extraction of data.

    And there are certainly plenty of services, competitive social media monitoring services, Facebook data services.

    One example is Facebook’s CrowdTangle service that allow you to extract large amounts of information that’s publicly facing publicly available, including advertising, and then do some analysis on it.

    So one approach you could take would be to go to one of these services, put in your company’s Facebook page, put in a list of all the major competitors.

    You have in Your space.

    Maybe some companies have functionally similar business models to you.

    So for example, if you’re a coffee shop, you might put in like tea shops and pizza shops and things like that.

    And extract out all the Facebook posts paid and unpaid that these companies have run in the last, you know, however long and then sort it.

    Look at which of the the pieces of content that were paid, and then assess what worked.

    What resonated.

    Now, with this technique, you won’t get every single ad because they’re certainly you know, there’s so many different types, but you will get thematically, the types of messaging and imagery and copy and timing and audience sizes.

    For what’s working best in that sector.

    It may be, you know, five or 10% of all the content available for your industry, but that’s enough to give you a sample that looks like Okay, these are the things that seemed to work.

    Maybe it’s images of a certain type, or even a color palette, maybe it’s a day of the week or an hour of the day.

    When you have that large scale data set, you can look at what is in the top five or 10 or 20% of the data and say, Okay, what got engagement? What got people interested? Is it and are those things unique? Now, here’s the challenge.

    The data is only semi ready to analyze, there’ll be some things that you can obviously look at right away engagement types, you know, likes, comments, shares, the different reactions, you’ll be able to get URLs to the various images, but then you’re gonna have to spend a fair amount of time as a human or team of humans, manually appending some of the information so you’ll need to, for example, look at the imagery on the post.

    And then maybe, in this, think of it as a spreadsheet, you’d have to add columns for like what types of images are in there and you’d have to be somewhat similar Like, you know people cars, coffee cops, silly clipart drawings, whatever the image type is you need to manually note that in the spreadsheet, you would also need to append because you won’t get the text of the comments, general themes in comments if people have left comments at all.

    And for those comments you would need to append and say like this is generally positive, generally negative, things like that.

    That manual augmentation of the data is essential in order to make this process work because there is a lot to a Facebook ad that is not immediately visible to a machine, right, again, systematically understand what are the themes of the images, particularly if you’re looking at images across different pages.

    Again, using the coffee shop example if you have Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts and things like that they may have their own visual palette that is unique to their brand that you would not be able to replicate, you’d have to use your own design palette to do that.

    But the ability for you to at least get a head start with the the raw data itself, and especially the engagement data is where you’re going to get a lot of value out of this procedure.

    Now, again, this is not every ad type, this is going to be mainly things like sponsored posts and stuff, but it’s a good starting point.

    Because if you can’t get any traction at all on a sponsored post where the engagement rates are so terrible, then you know that whatever ad strategies are currently being used out, there may not necessarily be all that effective.

    There are other tools that can pull in some fate, some social media advertising data as well.

    I haven’t used them in a while.

    So I know back in the day, I believe sem rush did that.

    But you can look at comparable performance of Google ads.

    Also to see from a messaging perspective, are there common themes, tools like sem rush and spy? Are refs all? Do they have the ability to extract out that type of data? And one of the things you could test is, does a ad copy, theme, title, etc? That works on Google ads? also work on Facebook here? Are they similar audiences are different audiences.

    One way to tell this for your own brand page is to look at your Google Analytics, demographics data, look at your Facebook Audience Insights, demographics, data.

    And if there’s a wide disparity on basic things like age and gender, then you know that you don’t have the same audience and what works in say, one platform may not work on the other.

    On the other hand, if there’s substantial overlap between the two audiences, there’s a good chance that if something’s working for you, or a competitor in your Google ads, that may also have applicability in your Facebook ads.

    So there are a lot of ways to attack this problem with data to try and determine what are the things that could work or should work and build a testing plan.

    That’s the important thing is the next step in this process is not just William nilly stop start copying things you want to build an actual testing plan, that is an A B test, where you have a would be the ads, you would have run anyway.

    And B would be these new ads that you have designed based on the data you found.

    And you run them in parallel, same audiences, same budget span, same timeframe, etc, to see which ad set works better.

    When you do that, you’ll have a sense over a fairly long period of time about whether your data driven approach is a better approach than the normal creative that you would have done otherwise, depending on the skill of your creative team.

    And depending on the the themes and the data you get out from your competitors, you may not find an advantage, you may find that the data driven approach works worse because your competitors suck.

    And you’re drawing on data that they’ve produced.

    So be aware of that possibility.

    Just because you’re using data does not guarantee a better result.

    On the other hand, if you have a creative team like me that can barely put together a stick figure art, the data driven approach probably is going to work better for you.

    Because you’ll be able to pick up on themes and use your reasonable commercially available clipart and stuff to make better stuff then your incompetent, creative team I was putting together again referring to myself here.

    So that’s the approach.

    Do the data analysis, identify the common themes, build a testing plan, run the testing plan and see which performs better? with the understanding that the data you find may not be all that high quality? Good follow up questions on this, please leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Monetizing Social Media Followings?

    You Ask, I Answer: Monetizing Social Media Followings?

    Shannon asks, “I need to put together a better gameplan on making money between now and the end of the year. A friend thinks I need to monetize my YouTube and IG. I guess that means ads on YT and trying to do more influencing stuff on IG?”

    Monetizing social media audiences is difficult, but not impossible. Generally speaking, the closer to the bottom of the funnel you can get, the more you can monetize, and there’s fundamentally 3 ways to do it:
    – Audience views
    – Audience engagements (affiliate marketing)
    – Direct sales

    The more you can sell direct, the more you make. Affiliate sales pay less well, and then influencer/ad view revenue pay the least. If you think about the basic model of a 1 CPM, that’s1 for a thousand views – and that’s what the advertiser is charged. Your cut will be substantially less. The first thing to do is measure engagement levels and traffic levels off network – that’ll tell you where to go.

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    Veeam in today’s episode Shannon asks, I need to put together a better game plan on making money between now and the end of the year a friend things I need to monetize my YouTube and Instagram I guess this means ads on YouTube and trying to do more influencing stuff on Instagram.

    So monetizing social media audiences is it’s difficult but it’s not impossible.

    It’s I say it’s difficult because right now where we are and this is being recorded in the middle of 2020, there is a tremendous amount of inventory because people are or should be still obeying, distancing and spending a lot more time here and less, a lot less time out there.

    But advertisers have pulled back pretty substantially whether it’s because of protesting which is is happening in July of 2020 on Facebook, or it’s just the economy is in such not great condition.

    advertisers are not spending as much and therefore there’s there’s less money in the pool.

    When it comes to social media audience advertising, generally speaking, the closer you are to the bottom of the funnel, the more you can monetize, the more money you’re gonna make.

    So there’s really about three different models, right there is view based models, which are being paid for views.

    And that would be, as you mentioned, advertising like on YouTube, monetizing a channel, which requires a lot of views per video.

    I want to say it’s, I think it’s at least 1000 views to the thousand or 10,000 views.

    I can’t remember which there’s engagement level money making, which is affiliate marketing where people go to you know, landing pages and stuff, probably the most well known one is Amazon Associates.

    And even there, you still need to drive a fair amount of traffic and get people to actually buy stuff.

    And then there’s monetizing directly, which is direct sales where you sell something of yours to your audience.

    Direct Sales pay the best by far.

    You can and I have sent 10s or hundreds of thousands of views to something, and had it made like 10 bucks, right? Because if you think about an advertiser, when advertisers advertise on like display networks, like YouTube, they are seeing prices, you know, 2 CPM,5 CPM, 10.

    CPM, that’s what the advertiser pays, you get a small slice of that.

    Maybe like 30%.

    So, in the best case, in other cases, like 5% and so, the, what you get out of it is, if you think about that, if you’re you have a video that gets 10,000 views, you might see1, like literally 1 from that.

    In order to monetize Well, you have to have a video Large, active following that just consumes all your stuff.

    Affiliate sales are typically paid better you’ll get anywhere between you, depending on the network, between five and 20, maybe even 30% of the commission of commission sales on what it is you’re selling.

    If you go to like Commission Junction shareasale, all these different networks, you can get started and start picking out advertisers that you want to work with, and check out their pricing and see who offers the best pricing the best.

    The best opportunities to look for in that space are what are called recurring revenue models where if somebody signs up for say, like a streaming video service, you get a smaller commission up front but then you get paid as long as that person remains a member and that’s can be a nice, not huge but a nice amount of of money.

    At one point, I was working with a streaming video service and I think it was with relatively little effort pulling me down 50 bucks a month beer money, right not, not mortgage money, but beer money.

    And obviously, there are some folks who are phenomenal affiliate marketers who can clear six figures a month.

    But that’s literally their full time job.

    But that’s all they do.

    And they do it by they do it with a lot of arbitrage a lot of traffic arbitrage where they buy ads at much lower prices on niche networks and then resell, essentially resell that traffic to affiliates.

    And the third bucket is the direct sales.

    If you have a book if you have a course if you have premium content, Patreon, whatever the thing is, if you have a highly engaged audience that wants what you specifically have to offer, that is the way to go.

    I will say that in terms of revenue that I’ve made Direct Sales are the lion’s share of online advertising revenue.

    In my best years, I’ve made maybe 1000 to2,000 on, like advertising on affiliate marketing.

    And on my best years, I’ve made like 20,000 on direct sales, because you when you sell a book, like gumroad, for example, where they keep they keep 5%.

    Compare that to Amazon where Amazon will take 65% it’s a lot easier to get to those big numbers if you’re selling a book or course for500.

    And you get to keep, you know, 400 and odd dollars of it.

    So those are the three models.

    deciding which model to go with depends on your numbers.

    If you have, you know, in the millions of views, the monetizing the traffic is is an easy no brainer, right and One of the things that’s important is that these programs are not mutually exclusive.

    You can absolutely monetize your YouTube channel while you pursue affiliate marketing while you also pursued direct sales.

    But remember that your audience has a limited amount of attention.

    So you have to prioritize which attention you want to try and cash in on.

    But as you’re getting things up and running, these things can be running in tandem.

    Check your audience numbers for sure.

    Check your engagement numbers, what social network do you get the highest level of engagement on because that could be the network where you want to focus some affiliate marketing on and then I am hesitant to put a lot of love behind social media.

    Because we know that these networks are fickle, and we don’t own them.

    We don’t own them.

    And, you know, we’re seeing things like apps getting banned in certain countries.

    It’s not a stable environment, your website and your email list and your I presume weekly email newsletter, that’s where you can make good money on direct sales.

    That’s where if I, if I did the analysis, I virtually guarantee that 80% of my direct sales come from email from hitting my email list and saying, Hey, I got this thing come by the thing.

    That’s where I think it makes the most sense to invest your time and where you’re going to see the highest returns is getting people to be loyal.

    And to do that, you have to create amazing stuff on a regular basis.

    But when you do, you will be able to direct sell them much more easily than trying to monetize either affiliate marketing or view based stuff.

    Both of those are good, but they’re not great.

    So that’s the short version.

    Pick a revenue model based on the traffic you have, the audience you have, the level of engagement they have, and the digital assets you have available to you.

    And then go to town start creating stuff at scale at volume and start promoting it.

    How does and one of the keys to to monetization is it is a entirely an experimental game testing, experimenting, seeing what converts what doesn’t convert, you’ll get really good at that.

    But that’s the way to go.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Advertising Your Podcast?

    You Ask, I Answer: Advertising Your Podcast?

    Lindsay asks, “Have you ever done any spends to increase podcast reach? Is there anything like a Facebook boost for podcasts?”

    For Marketing Over Coffee, we spend a hundred bucks or so a month on the show name and category. If your podcast has a decent website, treat it like any other web property. You can run search ads, YouTube ads, remarketing ads, the works.

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    In today’s episode, Lindsay asks, have you ever done any spends to increase podcast reaches or anything? Facebook boost for podcasts? So Good question.

    There isn’t a thing that will boost an individual podcast episode in a podcast directory in the same way that you would boost a Facebook post.

    But as long as your website for your podcast is, you know halfway decent and then there’s obvious page to get people to subscribe to it.

    Then you can treat it again just like any other web page on your website.

    So that means you can run Facebook ads, retargeting ads, Google ads, YouTube ads, the works.

    The challenge is to make sure that you’re running campaigns that are appropriate to what a podcast is a podcast is a subscription, right? It is a it’s it’s similar functionally to an email list.

    So Whatever advertising tactics you would use to get people to subscribe to your newsletter you would do to get them to subscribe to your podcast.

    So that means spending some time doing the market research treat it like treat it like search ads.

    What category does your podcasts fit in your coffee podcast? You know how much search volume is there for coffee podcast? What are all the term and variations? If you do the work to optimize your podcast website for for SEO for search engines First, you will get a lot of the background data you need in order to make effective ads for your podcast because you’ll know the category you’ll know the related terms you may potentially consider changing or adapting the name of your podcast, right.

    Very early on with marketing over coffee, which you can find at marketing over coffee calm john and i were looking at the name of the show.

    And, you know, something super simple.

    We changed the name to marketing, the marketing over coffee Marketing Podcast.

    It’s a little clunky, a lot clunky.

    But it is one of the things that allowed us are very early on to be found for people searching for a marketing podcast.

    Little things like that help inform the ads and make them much more effective because especially with Google ads, there is that whole quality score score algorithm in the background.

    So there is the ad, copy the keyword and then the landing page.

    And if they’re not in sync from a context and content perspective, your ads will cost more and they’ll perform less well.

    One of the other things to make sure that you do is you do engage in retargeting and reminding people because even if somebody subscribes to your podcast, that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve listened to it.

    Right.

    So if you go over to the Trust Insights website, go to TrustInsights.ai.

    AI, you find the podcast on there and the podcast landing page has like the last, I don’t know 10 or 15 episodes on it even if you subscribed on your your smartphone, for example, people drift off right, they forget they stopped listening, listening.

    And it is not a bad thing at all to run ads to existing subscribers, reminding them to check out the latest show.

    And ideally, ideally, it doesn’t cost you a ton of money because the ad gets served up.

    But then if they’re already subscribed, they pull out their mobile device, which is the way the vast majority of podcasts are listened to these days.

    And they just open up their podcast app and they start listening again.

    Well, that doesn’t show up as a click in your ad, right.

    So you don’t you don’t if you’re paying on a cost per click basis.

    You’re getting the brand awareness of the reminder for people but you’re not necessarily getting Incorporated.

    cost because they don’t have to click, they can remember I subscribe to that show as you go listen to that show, I should go listen to In-Ear Insights or marketing over coffee.

    So there’s awareness, ads.

    This the subscription ads are the sort of the two big ad plays you’re gonna want to do for your podcast.

    You will want branded search ads for sure.

    Advertising your podcast name again.

    If you think about the way people use Google, and you think about the layout of the homepage, in Google results in particular, there used to be a lot more organic search slots, but now with one box and featured snippets and all this stuff, the amount of real estate that’s there that any one thing can have is less.

    So having your branded search listing, and your unbranded search listing be on the same page, at least give you a two to bats.

    To at bats, right? That’s not necessarily true if you’re just relying on organic alone so having that that branded podcast advertising be running all the time.

    You don’t have to spend a ton I don’t think marketing over coffee spends more than like 100 bucks a month on it.

    And that’s funded obviously through sponsorships.

    So is there a Facebook boost for podcasts on an individual episode basis now? Should you be retargeting people to get them to listen again or to subscribe for the first time? Absolutely.

    The other thing I will say that and this is an additional channel it’s worth paying attention to.

    If your podcast does not have a newsletter, you’re missing a huge opportunity.

    send out a newsletter every week, every month, whatever the case may be, that features your most recent episode.

    And get people to subscribe to it.

    Right get people to subscribe to the newsletter because It gives you an additional outreach channel and is one that doesn’t cost you as much money as ads.

    And it’s a little more reliable.

    Even if you just, you know, say here’s the last five episodes of the show and the short, you know, transcripts, or abstracts or, or briefs of what each episode is about, that helps retain your audience so much better, and keep them listening.

    If you’re in the business of selling sponsorships to your show, podcast downloads is one thing.

    But downloads, plus being able to show web traffic plus being able to show email subscriptions means you have a package deal that you can offer to an advertiser to a sponsor, and demonstrate that you can reach a lot of people in their target audience.

    By having all three you can really show some good results, even if it’s a corporate podcast, right? Even if you’re not an independent show, if you’re a corporate show If you’re doing it on behalf of your brand, your brand is still the sponsor.

    And you still want to be able to demonstrate all three results to to your stakeholders or whoever is is allowing you to do the podcast.

    Here’s the website traffic the podcast is driven.

    Here’s the newsletter subscribers we have just for the podcast alone.

    Here is the number of downloads we receive.

    Having that information makes it easier for stakeholders to defend the super podcast as a marketing channel.

    So covered a lot in here.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Ad Value Equivalence and PPC Ads?

    You Ask, I Answer: Ad Value Equivalence and PPC Ads?

    Alessandra asks, “The customer is getting leads organically in the same number as before the start of the ads campaign, so the few conversions (1 month running) makes him think it’s not worthwhile to advertise. My thoughts are going in the direction of explaining the value of impressions on their own, the values of clicks to measure interest in offer, even though conversions are still few. I do not think he should compare organic with ppc, but ppc cost vs other advertising channels, like radio and newspaper ads, which would cost much more and have unmeasurable results. Am I going in the right direction? ”

    What you’re proposing is ad value equivalence, demonstrating the effectiveness of an ad based on its cost comparison to other ad channels. The challenge with the example above is that you don’t have equivalent measures. If you could demonstrate a cost per visitor for TV and/or radio, then you could make a logical case for one channel over another. Unfortunately, those other channels don’t have good numbers out of the box without added tracking, like custom URLs.

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    In today’s episode, which is a follow on to a previous question, Alessandra asks, the customer is getting leads, this is about trying to determine the impact of advertising.

    The customers getting leads organically in the same number as before the start of the ads campaign, so the few conversions make him think it’s not worthwhile to advertise.

    In terms of persuading him, my thoughts are going in the direction of explaining the value of impressions on their own the value of clicks to measure the interest in the offer, even though conversions are still few.

    I do not think he should compare organic with PVC but PPC cost versus other advertising channels like radio and newspaper ads which cost much more and have unmeasurable results Am I going in the right direction? you’re proposing what is known as ad value equivalence and that is when you are saying We’re getting the same result from this technique that we got from this other technique, a different cost and a presumably a better cost.

    And that’s an okay thing to do as long as it’s an actual apples to apples comparison.

    A lot of people try to do that with non similar channels.

    You know, the classic example is trying to measure public relations by advertising via they’re very different creatures.

    And they’re not comparable.

    In the case of taking one ad channel versus another.

    We have existing measures for that, like return on adspend return on adspend is you know, earned divided by spent.

    The challenge in this particular example is that earned divided by spent requires you to have gotten some earned in order to to make that determination.

    When you’re comparing ad channels themselves.

    You can compare some of the results on things like cost per visitor to the website, but it requires you to have have really good tracking.

    And this is a place where a lot of companies really fall down.

    They will run an ad say on on TV or in a newspaper.

    And they won’t do any kind of intelligent tracking of it.

    So if you were to advertise on our terrestrial radio station, you’d want to have a custom URL you know, something like you know, your company comm slash radio, so that people know where to go and in the fashions easy to remember, and then you can track that traffic that you know your company comm slash radio generates and attributed correctly to the radio channel.

    The same is true of television.

    The same is true of newspapers, newspapers a little easier because you can make the URL visible as opposed to purely audible.

    But companies don’t do that.

    And if you don’t have that level of tracking, you can’t do an apples to apples comparison.

    impressions mean nothing They are a diagnostic in the sense that you want more rather than less.

    And if it’s zero, you know something’s broken.

    But beyond that they’re not a great measure.

    Because the definition of an impression changes so much.

    You buy a billboard ad on the side of the road.

    The billboard advertiser will tell you how many cars go by that Billboard.

    That’s their definition of impressions.

    Compare that to a Facebook ad where Facebook ad may not register an impression until it has been on screen for and rendered for a certain amount of time.

    They’re very different numbers, and so they’re not a good apples to apples comparison.

    The first touch point in your marketing operations funnel where you would have an apples to apples comparison would be website visitors, because if you can get people to visit the website from an ad, from a pay per click ad from An email from whatever, you’re now you now have the same system of measurement for that outcome regardless of where it came from, whether it came from an ad, whether it came from a social media post, that person still showed up on the website, and that is still a trackable event and it is the same trackable event across those different channel inputs.

    So that’s where, if you’re going to use a measurement, you have to use something that has a common measurement across all the different channels.

    So that’s going to be gonna be the website, even clicks.

    You would think clicks on an ad would be something comparable, but it really isn’t because there are some clicks that are worth more than others in email marketing.

    You will notice that in your newsletters, especially if you’re b2b.

    You will get a way more clicks than unique clicks on a newsletter.

    Why Because if you’re sending stuff to corporate addresses, there’s a firewall behind the scenes, it’s clicking on every link to make sure that doesn’t go to a malware site and potentially infect their users.

    So your newsletter will show up as having hundreds of clicks.

    And every link gets clicked in the newsletter and you’re like, Wow, my newsletter is really popular, but you’re looking at the results going, but nobody’s buying anything.

    Why? Well, there’s automation behind the scenes that’s screwing up those results.

    But what typically happens is that those servers will do a fetch of you know, the, the header of the page or wherever it is, it goes in, you will will not go much further than that.

    So there’s a case where your website visitor numbers are still probably be okay.

    So, in this example, if you can compare similar channels, with an identical metric, then yes, you can use the methodology that you described.

    The reality is If you don’t have some kind of ultimate sale, you’re probably not going to be able to show some good results, and an alternate sale the one, this is something that people can do when they’re not ready to buy.

    And easiest thing, for example, subscribe to an email newsletter, right? That’s an action that you can take that has value that can demonstrate value.

    But nobody has to swipe the credit card to do that, particularly if it’s a complex product.

    And that’s something that I would say, if you’re not able to show hard dollar conversions right away, because maybe the sales cycle is, however long.

    If it’s 90 days, then obviously the ad campaigns and up and running for more than a month, you’re not going to see any results right? That’s a key question to ask the customer if you don’t know what is the length of your sales cycle.

    If you’re not getting the conversions you’re looking for, where’s the length of the conversion cycle.

    A good marketing automation system will tell you this is how long Between first touch and, you know, lead generation that it takes to do that for your company.

    And again, if the ad campaign is not inside that window, you’re not gonna be able to show any results.

    So that’s really important to look at what you’re tracking how you’re tracking it, and offer an alternate sales so that you do have something to track that you can say like this put X number of subscribers and then whatever your newsletter subscription rate is for converting users, you will eventually reap that value.

    Assuming that you’re attracting the right kind of audience is a challenging situation, because at the end of the day, the conversion actually is what you’re being measured on.

    And so if the ads are, are not driving conversions, ultimately, that program will not go forward because you can redeploy those resources elsewhere.

    Now, whether it’s more efficient than radio or newspaper, we’d have to measure that and I would encourage you to Encourage your customer to be measuring all the different ways they’re spending money.

    And so they can make an informed judgment on, you know, either return on adspend or similar performance on adspend.

    with things like website traffic, it’s a good question.

    It’s a challenging situation.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Impact of Google Ads?

    You Ask, I Answer: Impact of Google Ads?

    Alessandra asks, “I am running a Google Ads campaign for a customer, but results are not showing (yet). The conversions are few, thought CTR is over 7%.
    Besides analyzing ads, keywords and landing pages, what “business” considerations can I make to the client to convince him that it’s worthwhile to continue to invest in ads? What can he learn for his business from the results of the campaign?”

    How far down the marketing operations funnel can you see? Leads generated? Shopping carts filled? One of the challenges of ads is the potential disconnect once someone arrives on site – that’s where Bob Stone’s 1968 direct marketing framework helps lend a hand.

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    In today’s episode Alessandra asks, I am running a Google Ads campaign for a customer but results are not showing yet the conversions are few though click through rate is over 7%.

    Besides analyzing ads, keywords and landing pages, what business considerations Can I make to the client to convince him it’s worthwhile to continue to invest in ADS? What can he learn for his business from the results of the campaign? Well, the big question here is how far down the marketing operations funnel Can you see? If all you have access to his ads data, then you can basically show them that you’ve got you’re probably the right audience.

    A good offer a good creative, that’s Bob stones 1968 direct marketing framework.

    But one of the challenges with ads is that there’s potential disconnect once somebody arrives on site right? Imagine Imagine have this really compelling ad for a coffee shop, right? And you do a great job of getting people interested in the coffee shop and you do a great job of getting people excited.

    And they they fire up Google Maps and they get directions.

    They go there.

    And when they get there, the sole barista that’s working there is asleep on the floor.

    All right.

    Now, did the ads fail? No, the ads did their job.

    They got people to the front door, they got people even through the front door, and then the customer experience went off the rails.

    That’s not advertisings fault.

    That is a product marketing problem.

    While it’s technically just flat out business problems.

    So the question is, is the lack of results because of conversions because of something that you did wrong in the direct marketing framework? Or is it because there’s a disconnect between the two between the ad and the experience The way to figure this out is again, look at that old framework list offer creative list these days means audience do that.

    Do you target the right audience with the ads? The people who have a high propensity of buying or retargeted based on existing conversions or look alike? Audience? If so, your list is probably in pretty good shape.

    Is the offer in the advertisement, likely to entice somebody? And this is where? What is in the ad? Is it synchronous with what happens when you get on the site? Is it a Is it an offer that makes sense as an offer that it does not feel like a bait and switch? There’s this whole bunch of these ads on Facebook that are like advertising Oh, you could you know, get a free product and then you click through and it’s like, you pay money and you leave review and then they refund your money.

    Well, that’s not free.

    Right, though, by the way that you should immediately report those ads.

    camps.

    But that’s not free.

    It’s a complete disconnect between what was promised in the advertising and what was actually delivered.

    So you want to make sure that that’s not the problem.

    And of course, there’s a creative in this case, because you’re getting high conversion rates, higher high click through rates, it’s probably not a creative issue.

    So either the advertising offer is out of sync with what the offer actually is, or you’ve got a bad experience on site.

    The way to remedy that is ideally, have access to Google Analytics, ideally have access to the data that’s happening on site.

    What happens when somebody gets to the landing page? Do they immediately bounce away? If so, you’ve got a landing page problem.

    And that’s something you should again be looking at that the the offer the creative the layout, whether it renders properly on mobile devices, the usual things you do to diagnose a landing page.

    If you don’t see a super high bounce rate, then you have to wonder is there a In fact, a problem with the audience is this product that you made some assumptions on who you’re going to advertise to.

    Are they in fact not the right audience? Right? Again, if if you advertise, say espresso drinks right and people click through and they get to the homepage and it’s it’s a coffee shop, but you are just totally going all out on your frozen summertime beverages.

    People may look at that and go well that’s not really what I came here for.

    I’m not a cold coffee drinker, I’m I’m a hot coffee drinker.

    And they may they may choose to go away because again, you’re you’re presenting something that they didn’t ask for.

    They thought they were getting one thing and then not getting it in terms of other things that other business considerations.

    One area that you can explore and it is fraught with danger if you don’t do it properly.

    You can look at branded organic search.

    So the premise is that if you are running any kind of promotion, advertising, public relations, influencer marketing, and it’s doing its job, one of the things you should see happen is synchronous with the advertising.

    And commensurate with the spend on the advertising, you should see an increase in branded organic search of some kind.

    And by that we mean looking for the company’s products or services or name.

    If I take out a whole bunch of ads for my company Trust Insights.

    And I just go all out on paying cpms.

    I don’t care about click throughs.

    I just want to I just want people to know the name of the company.

    If the ads are effective, I should see a commensurate uptick in the number of searches for Trust Insights in organic search because again, people are aware of This company, hopefully, it has piqued their interest.

    Hopefully they have gone to click through and and are gonna search for us.

    Now I say that’s fraught with difficulty because it requires statistical analysis requires you to be able to do cross correlation functions to see, not only is there a relationship, but what is the time lag on the relationship? And is the time lag on the relationship synchronous with what happens for unpaid efforts.

    Those are challenging questions to ask for folks who don’t have a statistical background.

    So it’s something you have to keep in mind.

    But that is an additional business consideration you can look at, do you see? brand organic search, marching in lockstep with the paid advertising you’re doing? At the end of the day, though, it all comes down to conversion.

    If the conversions are not happening, that’s the number one priority, figure out why the conversions aren’t happening.

    Make sure that if you don’t have one in place, all right And you’re spending a decent amount of money, you may want to consider a website satisfaction survey, one of those four key ones that ask simple questions like, did you accomplish the task that you set out to when you came to the site today? Right? And you run it and targeted only on people only on the landing page with the ads, so that you can ascertain.

    Is there something on the experience side of the site that is preventing you from being able to pregnant the customer from being able to do what they wanted? If so, that then tells you it’s a customer experience problem and not an advertising problem.

    You can also ask, you know, you can’t new came to this page from an advertisement did this page fulfill the ad, the ads promise again, if you get feedback, saying Nope, it didn’t, then you know, you’ve got a disconnect between those two.

    So I would say focus on the diagnostic side to figure out why your click through rate is high, but your conversion Right is, is non existent, that’s going to be able to help you understand what’s going on with the advertising.

    And if the customer is not interested in running additional ads, at least you can take those best practices and put them towards the next customer.

    Maybe make it a part of the campaign that’s integrated, so that you’re running those diagnostics from the very beginning and you’re, you’re understanding how it is that people are finding the experience between the ad and the action that you want them to take.

    If you have follow up questions, leave in the comments box below.

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