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  • Momentum, mechanics, and marketing

    Museum of Science

    In classical mechanics and physics, momentum is the product of mass times velocity:

    p=m*v

    • Want more momentum? Add more mass.
    • Want more momentum? Add more velocity.
    • Want to be unstoppable? Pile on mass and velocity.

    We talk about momentum in marketing. A campaign has momentum, a meme has momentum, a project needs momentum. How do you get more momentum for your marketing campaigns? Add mass (content and people) or add velocity (direction and speed).

    If your content strategy isn’t gaining any momentum, it’s probably because you have mass but no velocity. Boulders don’t move themselves, and content doesn’t market itself. Get out there and share it. Give it a push.

    If your social strategy isn’t gaining any momentum, it’s probably because you have velocity but no mass. Try saying something worth listening to. A speck of dust is easy to move quickly, but no one notices it. Try pushing something more substantial.

    If you’re deficient in either mass or velocity, you’re not capturing the momentum you’re capable of. Fix them to be in balance, grow them both, and watch your marketing take off.


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  • Statistical normalization opposes innovation

    If you’re the sort that enjoys analytics (or your job makes you  “enjoy” it), you’ve probably encountered statistical normalization many times, even if you don’t know it. What is it? The short description is removing outliers so that you can see statistically valid trends. Remove outliers, remove bad data, and smooth over data points so that you get cleaner data to compare.

    Here’s an overly simple example, averaging stuff together. Let’s say you have a month’s worth of website traffic data. If you want to see whether January’s web traffic this year was better than last year, your simplest bet (not necessarily the best) for a reasonable apples to apples comparison is to average all the visits together and see what the daily average was. If the daily average in January of this year is better than last year, things are good.

    Here’s another example: look at these three charts in Google Analytics. All three are the same information. Which is the easiest to discern whether this month was better than last month? Which will your average corporate executive want to see?

    Daily View
    Dashboard - Google Analytics

    Weekly View
    Dashboard - Google Analytics

    Monthly View
    Dashboard - Google Analytics

    Your average executive dashboard, PowerPoint, or rollup report will use the last example as the preferred data source. It’s clean, it’s obvious, and it’s easy.

    Here’s the danger with smoothing things over: when you do so, you lose view of anomalies. You lose view of outliers. Look again at the daily view above. There are a few points where you have significant spikes of traffic, along with the normal, average traffic days. What happened on those days to bring in that much new audience? What did you do differently, and was it serendipity (Chris Brogan retweeted me!) or was it something under your control (paid traffic campaign kickoff)?

    If you smooth out all your data in a hurry to get your reporting done and make things neat and clean for a bullet point on a slide, you lose the opportunity to dig into the anomalies. Inside those anomalies will be things that can signal opportunities for innovation. If a social media luminary retweeted your content without your asking them to, maybe it’s a signal that you need to develop a social media marketing plan. If you got some earned media coverage of a feature of your product or service, maybe that’s an area where you want to invest some more development dollars. Whatever the case may be, if the anomalies in your data are caused by something under your control, you have the potential to transform that anomaly into an innovation that will power your business, possibly in new, different, and more profitable directions.

    It makes total sense to take a “high level view” if you have no responsibility for finding new ways to make your business grow. If you find the expression “getting lost in the weeds” or “getting down in the dirt” being bantered about in your marketing organization and you do have a responsibility for growth, you might have a perspective problem. Getting lost in the weeds isn’t a bad thing if you know there’s a diamond ring in there somewhere.

    Be very careful about rolling up your reporting too quickly to satisfy myopic, attention-deficit reporting requirements, whether for yourself or for a company/client. You might be missing some massive innovation opportunities!


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  • Selective Welcome Popups

    As a follow up to my previous post on welcome popups, some folks mentioned a few concerns and questions.

    • I don’t want to be a douchebag and slap people with a popup all the time.
    • I don’t want to be a douchebag and put popups everywhere on my blog.
    • I hate popups.
    • What popup software are you using?

    Let’s address these four areas.

    1. I don’t want to be a douchebag and slap people with a popup all the time.

    Don’t. Most popup software lets you specify intervals. For example, with the software I use, I can specify not to show it for another 30 days as long as your browser allows me to set a cookie. No cookies permitted? You’re getting popups.

    Depending on the software you choose, you can pick options like show the popup just for the first X visits. You can also set the timing so that someone doesn’t see the popup for X seconds. If you look in your Google Analytics for average time on page and set the popup to 75% of that, you’ll hit someone just before they’re ready to leave, thus ensuring they enjoy your content first:

    Time on Site for all visitors - Google Analytics

    2. I don’t want to be a douchebag and put popups everywhere on my blog.

    Don’t. Depending on the software you choose, you can select which pages of your site you want to selectively show the popup on. For example, if you suspect that some of your traffic from social media is a little more ADHD than the average organic SEO visitor, you can identify in Google Analytics which pages that traffic hits the most, then program your popup just to show on those pages.

    Top Content - Google Analytics

    If you realize that Twitter traffic isn’t converting at all but Facebook traffic is on your site without the assistance of a popup, then just identify the Twitter-specific pages and grab Twitter people with an attention-getting popup while leaving Facebook people alone to convert in peace and quiet.

    3. I hate popups.

    So don’t use them. Just don’t ask for the results they deliver. Make sure you subscribe to my blog via RSS, too, so you never see them.

    4. What popup software are you using?

    I paid for and use WP Super Popup. I’m also an affiliate of it because I love its flexibility. Granted, I don’t use many of the options because I want my popups to be shown as much as possible within reason, but the software supports everything I discussed above.

    Like any marketing tool, popups can be very effective if you use them well. If you use them poorly, they’ll perform like any other poorly-used marketing tool. Test out different things and see what works for you.


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  • Do welcome popups work?

    I’ve had a welcome popup running on my blog since the end of November last year. For a long time, I debated the wisdom of installing it on my web site. After all, I personally don’t like them much on other sites I visit, but I had to remind myself of the cardinal rule of marketing: I am not my customer.

    Reactions to it were and are mixed. Some people like it. A few people hate it. Most people ignore it.

    The bigger question is, does it work?

    The short answer is: yes.

    The longer answer involves looking at some data, which I pulled from my Blue Sky Factory Publicaster account. Prior to installing the welcome popup on this site, I was averaging about 30 signups to my personal newsletter per month, give or take. Once I installed it, that average went up to 133, and is currently trending at 250 per month. That’s a 733% increase in subscribers. What’s more, you can see immediate changes in the data the day the popup was installed:

    Popup blog post data

    Now I know what you’re saying in your head: yes, that’s nice, but how do you account for an increase in the blog’s popularity? After all, number of signups should increase as more traffic comes to a blog, so this doesn’t prove anything, right?

    If this data was all I had, you’d be correct. I cross-referenced my monthly absolute unique visitors to subscribers and created a ratio of subscriber signups to absolute unique visitors. If I were a commercial web site, this would be my lead conversion ratio.

    Popup blog post data

    It’s quite apparent that once the popup was installed, it started to convert a much greater percentage of traffic to my web site into subscribers for my newsletter.

    Does this mean that you should immediately run out and install a popup on your web site or blog? Not necessarily. If it conflicts with your personal or professional brand, then by all means, pass on it so that you can remain consistent with your brand.

    Is it worth testing? Absolutely, especially if one of your goals is to build up your database or drive some actual sales. Remember to avoid the same mistake I make from time to time: there’s a very good chance that you are not your customer. Not everyone’s audience will react the same. Test it and see how it performs. In my case, the numbers are incredibly compelling, despite my slight personal dislike for the marketing method; for this blog, the method works incredibly well.


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  • Do you have a welcome page?

    welcome to our home 3Those of you who have been following me on Twitter over the past 6 months have seen me tweet out the start of every day with something like this:

    Good morning friends! Some pithy short comment about life today here. New friend? Welcome aboard: https://cspenn.com/w

    This short URL takes you over to my welcome page, which gives you some idea of who I am, what I do, where you can find me, and some selected pieces of content that give you an idea of what I write about. I’ve been doing a welcome page since August, and on the page I explain why it exists: it’s a tour, a welcome mat of sorts to help introduce new friends to me.

    Every day, a few people go read it when I start the day with it, between 20-30 a day. As web analytics go, that’s not exactly lighting the world on fire, right?

    Except when I looked in the aggregate stats yesterday, those few visits every day by brand new people add up significantly, making it the 7th highest trafficked page on my site overall and having a bounce rate a full 20% lower than any other page on my web site. People come to it, read it, and find their way to other content I’ve written, which is exactly its intended purpose. Here’s the kicker, the part that makes me very happy: the next page that people go to is my public speaking page. If I were a business (in the sense of a full time commercial enterprise) and a welcome page was funneling new traffic, new visitors straight to my sales page, I’d be delighted beyond measure at this kind of performance.

    Here’s the secret of the welcome page, the secret sauce that makes it work. It’s not enough just to have one. You have to draw new attention to it regularly. By tweeting it out daily, first thing, almost every weekday without fail, it gets some traffic. Not a ton, but it doesn’t need a ton, and those who have already been to it don’t have to return to it. That’s the secret. By keeping the format of the first Tweet of the day regular consistent, new people get a welcome and old friends get a familiar reassurance. New people get introduced to me every single day and learn what I do (and some hire me to speak), while not offending familiar friends who have already seen it.

    Here’s the secret that makes it easy for me: by using a static URL that’s very short (cspenn.com/w), I remember it without having to think about it, instead of something like a bit.ly/omfgwtfistheshortcodethatthispagewasyesterday273. I don’t ever have to think about what my welcome page’s URL is; by keeping it so short and familiar (and unchanging), it’s easy to publish daily.

    Should you have a welcome page for your business or personal site? That’s entirely up to you. If you can make the commitment to start every day by drawing attention to it, by keeping a constant, small flow of eyes and minds to it, then I would say yes, you should have one. If you can’t make that commitment, then I’d say it’s not a bad idea to have one, but don’t expect the same kind of performance that you’d get out of it.

    Do you have a welcome page? Are you bringing new people to it every day?


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  • What Alterac Valley can teach you about SEO & marketing

    Over the weekend, I had the delight of competing relentlessly in Alterac Valley, a 40 man player vs. player battleground in World of Warcraft. For those unfamiliar, Alterac Valley is a large, mountainous battlefield that is a war of attrition, trying to gather resources for your team and deny objectives to the opposing team. 40 players from each team rush out to manage 23 separate objectives.

    Alterac Valley - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

    One of the most common scenarios in Alterac Valley is the standoff, or turtle, where the two teams clash in the middle of the battlefield and fight each other without benefitting either team. No strategic objectives are captured, and the stalemate frustrates everyone. It’s one of the most common occurrences in Alterac Valley.

    However, just 2 people out of the 40 can make a difference that can prevent a turtle and advance your side towards winning, by controlling a small, boring objective on top of a hill that most players on both teams ignore. (Snowfall Graveyard, for the WoW PvP crowd) My little 2-man squad from my guild always captured this little objective and then stood around to guard it against recapture. 99% of the time, we were bored out of our minds, save for when 1 or 2 opposing team players wandered by. Yet by holding this little objective, we prevented the turtle because holding it allowed our team to reappear behind enemy offensive lines, a significant strategic advantage that changed the momentum of battle in our favor.

    Why do the vast majority of players ignore this little snowy hill? It’s boring, for one. If you’re playing for the glory, it’s about as far from glory as you can get: it’s guard duty. Most players with very short attention spans simply gloss over it. Second, most players don’t understand strategy and just rush in to kill whatever they can and hope they live long enough to win. Finally, standing guard there and watching your team members run by repeatedly reinforces that you’re not in the action or the heat of the battle, which drives most players batty. Impatience and bloodlust demand they be in the heat of the battle, not standing on a hill watching. Most players are unwilling to forego their own fun and enjoyment for the benefit of the entire team.

    What does any of this have to do with you? Take a look at your organization and how you expend your resources. What strategic objectives are easy but incredibly boring, yet might swing the tide of battle or the momentum of your organization wildly in your favor? Are you overlooking them because they’re boring and completely without glory?

    One that comes to mind is SEO. Search engine optimization is, to be perfectly frank, boring work. It’s unglamorous, it’s repetitive, it’s almost mindless at times. Yet even one person with the right skills can “take the objective” of SEO and dramatically affect a company’s growth. As your sales and marketing teams rush by in their quest for glory with social media, social sales, and the shiny object of the day, it’s human nature to want to follow them, to be in the spotlight, yet if you stand guard at your little snowy hill of SEO, you might have an outsized impact on all your marketing.

    What snowy hills are you passing by that instead you should be taking and holding, even when no one else wants to?

    p.s. For those veteran WoW PvP players, yes, Iceblood Graveyard is strategically better but because it’s right in the running path of the Horde, it gets lost far more than held with a token force. Snowfall is far easier to hold because no one cares about it.


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  • Shopping around, social style

    One of the most difficult forces to fight against in a service-oriented business is commoditization, or the reduction of comparison shopping to price alone. Who’s cheapest is a decision-making process we default to when something is too complex for us to understand. For example, if you know nothing about web hosting, then your decision will likely be swayed by whoever has the lowest price tag.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if you could make a choice based on things that matter to you? For example, in web hosting, server technology is more or less the same across the board. Bandwidth costs are more or less the same, especially when you’re talking about the low end of the market. What really matters to the average small business or personal web site owner? Price is still a factor, of course, but service tops most people’s lists. If my site goes down, what do I do? Who do I call? How can someone help me fix it in a timely manner?

    In the days before social media, there was no simple, fast way to do this. You relied solely on word of mouth or reviews written by people you didn’t know or trust. Today, however, you can test this for yourself very quickly, easily, and fairly publicly. Today, in just a few minutes of time and work, you can comparison shop on service and get reliable results using social media.

    Here’s an experiment I did as an example. I went around to the various hosting companies I could find on Twitter and gathered up their Twitter handles. Next, I headed over to FutureTweets and scheduled one tweet to each of them asking, “If I were hosting a site with you and had a problem RIGHT now, would you help in the middle of the night?”

    Christopher Penn (cspenn) on Twitter

    Initially, I had thought I scheduled them all for 1:38 AM, but I missed a time zone setting and they fired off at 1:38 AM GMT, or 7:38 PM ET. Still, that’s a period of time when I like someone be listening and fixing my problems.

    Our contestants in this little exercise were @westhost, @spiralhosting, @site5, @mediatemple, @justhost, @hostway, @hostgator, @hostdime, @dreamhost, @bluehost, and @asmallorange.

    In order of response time:

    • @mediatemple: 2 minutes.
    • @dreamhost: 4 minutes.
    • @hostdime: 15 minutes.
    • @site5: 17 minutes.
    • @asmallorange: 74 minutes.
    • @spiralhosting: 11 hours.

    No response from the others yet 12 hours later.

    mediatemple (mediatemple) on Twitter

    If I were shopping around for web hosting and one of my primary concerns was service and how quickly I could get a response if I was having trouble, I’d have a pretty definitive answer for myself. Are there plenty of good hosting companies that aren’t listening to Twitter? Probably. Is this a fair test of them? To me it is, but only because I invest a lot of time in social media, so it’s one of my preferred methods of communication. I’d rather do business with companies in the same space as me if possible. Most important, I would pay more for great service.

    The lesson for companies here is that if you’re going to use social media, it can’t be a half-assed effort. As Yoda quipped, “Do, or do not. There is no try.” Listening to Twitter and responding costs time, employee resources, and a functional Internet connection. If you’re going to be in social media, be here when people need you the most. Food for thought: for the 5 companies that didn’t respond within 12 hours, have they basically wasted all their marketing dollars since, if this were a true purchasing decision, they would no longer be in the running no matter how much they spent on marketing?

    The lesson here for everyone isn’t who is the best hosting company in terms of service. If these tweets had gone out as scheduled at 1:38 AM ET, the results probably would be different. The lesson here is that social media provides you with another set of tools you can use to make decisions based on things you actually care about. These tools are available to everyone, to you, and if you make use of them, you’ll get better results than trying to guess what all the features on an endless supply of marketing collateral mean.

    What do you think? Was this a fair test to you? Would you have done it differently? Will you try it the next time you’re making a purchase where service is important?

    p.s. I’m glad to see that the companies I do business with currently were ones who responded in a timely manner. Thanks @mediatemple and @asmallorange!


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  • Who’s working this week?

    Both Chris Brogan and I have exhorted you recently to make the most of this quietest week of the  year when everyone else has checked out. Here’s the corollary to those bold statements. If you’re looking at starting something new or adding to your team for 2011, if you’re looking to hire, grow, or otherwise expand your business, then this week is also really important.

    It’s how you tell who the hard hitters are.

    I got an email from one of my sales team on Monday morning, bright and early. They said the office was as deserted as a graveyard. It would have been easy for them to check out, head out, and throw it in, but they’re working instead to make business happen. I certainly took note.

    Take notice of who’s still on the clock this week and why, especially if they don’t have to be. Pay attention to who is still blogging and Twitter accounts, to metrics that matter internally and to people who are still feeding the machine. Pay attention to who’s working when in all honesty you don’t have to. The noise of normal daily life and the loudest voices that normally fill the air with “activity” (as opposed to productivity) are silent for this week. Listen carefully and you’ll uncover the true power players in your networks and organizations.


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  • Affiliate marketing 101

    Are you attracted to the idea of having at least one other source of income?

    Are you wondering how to get started with affiliate marketing?

    Slackershot: MoneyLots has been written on the subject by nearly every Internet marketer out there. Affiliate marketing, if you’re unfamiliar with the topic, is pure commission-based sales. You sign up for an affiliate program with one or more companies or networks and refer people to them. In exchange for your efforts, you receive a percentage (usually small) of any transactions that occur.

    How do you get started? Affiliate marketing, since it’s more or less a form of lead generation, follows the same principles as any sales and marketing organization. You need a receptive audience to sell to and products or services to be sold.

    For the purposes of this quick article, I will assume you have an audience of some kind that’s focused on your area of expertise or personality. If you don’t, you need to build that first. Even more has been written on how to build an audience. I recommend reading Mitch Joel’s Six Pixels of Separation and CC Chapman’s Content Rules as starting points for this.

    The first important point about affiliate marketing is to find products or services that you’re happy to recommend, happy to talk about, things you talk about already for free. It’s fairly easy to make compelling content about a product or service if you’ve already been a paying customer of it and like it. The products I recommend on this blog (at the bottom of the post) are products I use and paid for originally before signing up as an affiliate. When I say I recommend them, I really do.

    Look at the bottom of the websites of products and services you like. Look for links to affiliate programs, partner programs, etc. as ways to get started. Join an affiliate network like Shareasale or a store like Amazon Associates. There are three things to look out for:

    1. An affiliate program manager. Most companies, especially those working with networks like Commission Junction or Shareasale, have a dedicated affiliate manager who can address questions or concerns (like “where’s my money?”).

    2. The program rules and terms. Some programs restrict which marketing channels you may use. Failure to comply will result in you giving the company free business, since they won’t pay you. Email especially is excluded from a lot of programs because of the danger of spam. The terms also dictate when and how you’ll get paid, so make sure you understand those clearly.

    3. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. Every time.

    Once you’ve found a few programs that you can like and recommend, use your channels and audience to make your recommendation. Two things are important, one of which is legally required.

    1. You must disclose your affiliation. Read the disclosures page here for one example. It’s generally good practice to disclose globally and note where you can that something contains affiliate links.

    2. Try not to hard sell. It’s fine to be excited about a product or service you’re recommending, but don’t market crap to people who trust you just because there’s a fat commission on the other end. If the phrase monetizing trust ever creeps into your mind, just go apply at your local used car dealership for a career there instead. Everyone will be happier and know what to expect.

    Finally, speaking of expectations, unless you have a gigantic audience to begin with, you should expect beer money performance to begin with. A few dollars here, a few dollars there – it will add up as you continue to grow your audience and your affiliate relationships, but start with small expectations.

    This is just the tip of the iceberg, but it’s a good place to start. If you want to read up on more about how to do affiliate marketing well, I recommend digging into the work of Jim Kukral. A fellow USF professor, he’s my go-to guy for affiliate marketing information and is one of the best folks in the field to know. His book, Attention: This Book Will Make You Money, is also a good starter read.

    Disclosure: every link in this post that can be is an affiliate link. It’d be irony and fail if it were otherwise.


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  • Line of sight digital marketing framework

    At the Blue Sky Factory User Conference this past year, I unveiled a marketing framework that I think does a reasonably good job of explaining what’s broken in your company, how to find it, and how to make things better. It’s called Line of Sight Marketing, and it’s derived from Avinash Kaushik’s Line of Sight Analytics, which was in turn derived from Professor Ken Wong‘s Profit: The Ultimate Client Need framework. Here’s how my variation works.

    Line of sight digital marketing framework

    We start at the same place, always: net profit. If you’re not earning money faster than you’re spending it, you’re going out of business sooner or later. There’s no way around that. Everything that we do as marketers, as business people, must have a clear line of sight back to net profit, or ultimately it’s not a priority compared to keeping your business running and your bills paid.

    Net profit comes from two gross business buckets: margin (the net profit per unit of action, such as a sale) and volume, or the number of units of action.

    In turn, margin comes from income and expense. In order to improve your margins, you have to do things like raise price or reduce the cost it takes to produce your goods and services.

    Income is generally a product or service development function – someone like a Product Director determines the features, benefits, and pricing of the product. Expense is generally an operational function, finding ways to reduce the costs of your products or services.

    Equally in turn, volume comes from audience and action. In order to improve your volume, you have to do things like increase the amount of audience you have and increase the number of actions that audience takes.

    Action is generally a sales function, whether automated or executed by dedicated sales professionals whose job it is to motivate consumers to buy. Audience is marketing’s function – finding people to bring into your community and getting them engaged in what you do.

    Mathematical version of line of sight

    Put in terms of a formula, Income – Expense = Margin, Audience x Action = Volume, and Margin x Volume = Net Profit.

    What this framework provides is a means of diagnosing quickly where your business may be most broken. Generally speaking, marketers are often told to take very tactical actions (“we need more web site traffic!”) without a big picture perspective on what’s truly broken at the company. They are then deeply frustrated in turn by the fact that none of their efforts are generating the results they expect.

    For example, if margins are razor thin and there’s no way to convince leadership to add value as a way of boosting price, then no matter how much audience marketing brings to the table, the profit generated will continue to be small.

    For example, if action and engagement is low because your sales efforts are lackluster, volume will always fail to shine unless marketing pumps an absurd amount of audience into your business to compensate, making it a numbers race.

    For example, if income is wonderful and sales is selling to everyone who walks in the door but audience is negligible, volume will remain low until marketing brings more people to the table.

    The wonderful thing about this framework is that it’s relatively straightforward to apply key performance indicators to each of the areas. Price of goods and services, expenses to produce those goods or services, audience size, and closing ratio are all examples of concrete metrics you can assign to each of the areas. Once you lay out the numbers, you know which area of your company is most badly broken, and rather than come up with pat “solutions” that might or might not have any impact (“more Twitter followers will fix everything!”), you can see which area of improvement will deliver the most impact for improving your business.

    Explore the Line of Sight Marketing framework and see how it applies to your business. If it’s helpful, please let me know!


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