Luca asks, “I’ve been doing SEO for about 8 months now and I have a few clients that I service. My question is what avenues or skills (related to SEO, like web development) should I invest time in to increase my skill base and what could i potentially do to create more value out of my services?”
SEO is mainly about creating great content and getting people to pay attention to it. This can be done through market research, writing and communication skills, design skills, and partnering with companies that have these capabilities. Building a community is the best way to create more value out of your services. This community can be leveraged to generate interest, links, and search volume for your clients.
You Ask, I Answer: SEO Value Added Service Offerings?
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In today’s episode Luca asks, I’ve been doing SEO for about eight months now and I have a few clients that I service.
My question is, what avenues are skills related to SEO? Like web development? Should I invest time and to increase my skill based on what kind of potentially do to create more value out of my services? Here’s, I guess my point of view on this.
SEO is largely now about creating really good content, and then getting people to pay attention to it.
Right? So how do you do this? Well, there’s a couple of different ways the creating great content, that’s market research, that’s having good skills in writing and communication, maybe some design skills, partnering with companies that have those capabilities, and then getting those links and stuff like that.
And creating more value is all about building a community.
Right? If you can garner a good sized mailing list or good size, Discord server, or a good size only fans or whatever the mechanism that you choose to retain a community, then when it comes to value add for SEO, you will be able to leverage that community much more than somebody who’s just randomly pitching cold links, right? If you have 1000 people on your mailing list, and you chat with them, you provide them great value all the time, then, from time to time, you can probably figure out who on that list does what and say, Hey, I just helped a client put up a new free resource on I don’t know, fermented coffee, I’m making that up.
And you know, the five people on your mailing list who are avid coffee aficionados, you can reach out to them say, Hey, I got this new thing from a client, you want to check it out and send them link.
And, you know, say to them, Hey, if you if this is of interest to you, would you mind throwing a link to it on your blog, having a community that most of the time gets value from you and ever so often you can get value back from means that in terms of the things that generate interest that generate links that generate search volume and stuff, you have that as a more reliable resource, right? You don’t have to be that one SEO person, just sending out pitch spam, or running a bot that leaves stupid comments on people’s blogs or the random pitches in people’s LinkedIn inboxes.
Nobody likes us.
And very few people respond to them.
I mean, enough people respond that it’s obviously a tactic that still works.
But if you don’t like the stress of that, if you don’t like the high variability of those results, spend some time building up your community.
Spend some time diversifying your communities get people who are B2B, who are B2C, government, military, people who are in retail and finance and fashion and accounting.
And that the bigger that audience you have of people that you actually interact with, that you care about, that you provide value to, then when it comes time for any given client, you know, they’ve got something to promote, you’ve got a resource that you can go to right away, and create those links way faster, way faster than a competing SEO agency.
I am astonished at the number of SEO agencies that don’t have some kind of community resource on demand.
I understand why they don’t do it.
They don’t do it, because they’re not.
They’re not seeing the value of those communities.
They don’t understand that.
That is your insurance policy against search algorithms.
But it is a massive blind spot.
It is a massive blind spot in the SEO community.
And it is something that is easily fixed.
Right? I’ll simply fix it simple, not easy.
I remember a while ago, I was doing some link building for a financial services client and a friend of mine ran a fairly decently sized web site and we were having dinner one night and I said I’ll tell you what, I’ll pick up the bill if you stick a link on your site for this thing knowing that it was on target it was It wasn’t just a random pitch it was it would have made sense to link to it and my friends like sure I mean, I’ll keep it up for a year.
And he did he put up the link on the site and we got the credit we got traffic from it actually because again it was it was relevant it was on target.
That kind of relationship building takes time.
Takes a lot of effort.
But it is it is Your Parachute.
Right it is your break glass in case of emergency because getting people’s attention otherwise these days is getting harder and harder.
This this lovely little device here has a such a profound capability to distract us to take our attention away, that as marketers, we’re having a hard time getting everyone’s attention.
So if you have that community of people who are already paying attention to you, because of the value you bring them, then you can leverage that.
So that would be my suggestion for how you can grow, the value that your services provide.
And how you can eventually charge more for those services, right? Because you can say where other agencies can’t, hey, I can get you relevant placements, relevant placements for your products and services, assuming the company has something that you’d want to link to.
And if they don’t, you can also be very selective then with your clients say, Yeah, I’m sorry, I can’t take you as a client, because you have a product that sucks, and no one’s gonna want to link to it.
Right? I remember I worked for this one company where the product was twice the price and half the quality of the nearest competitor, I’m like, Yeah, we’re not doing a link building campaign for SEO, because the only links are gonna get bad reviews.
So let’s, let’s do something else.
And we did.
And the company eventually went out of business, because you can’t run a successful business when you’re twice the price and half the quality of the nearest competitor.
But, but we knew there was no way SEO traditional link building was going to work, because nobody wanted that product.
So that’s my suggestion, build that community.
And by the way, whether or not you own your own firm or whether or not that you work in an another agency, your network, your relationships, your community, that is something that goes with you wherever you go.
And it is an essential resource if you can, if you can build that and carry it with you.
from job to job agency to agency, you will do really well you’ll do much better than your peers.
Having that Network on Demand is it’s golden literally in sales.
It’s called the Golden Rolodex, the person who builds those relationships.
They can generate more results faster than someone of equal skill and equals seniority but without the network.
So good.
That’s a good question.
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Mara asks, “Can you touch upon expectations of an in-house marketer has on Social Media, vs Agency, like in terms of content and KPI’s for example?”
The expectations for an in-house marketer and an agency should be the same in terms of content and KPIs. The main difference is in resourcing. An employee costs less than an agency, but an agency should be able to generate more results. The key is to have clear KPIs that are aligned with the business goals.
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In today’s episode Mara asks, Can you touch upon expectations of an in house marketer has on social media versus agencies like in terms of content and KPIs.
I would say the expectations are or should be the same, which is some kind of result, depending on what the mandate of social media is, will determine the metrics.
For example, if brand awareness is your KPI, then in your marketing mix model or your attribution model, you should have some kind of brand awareness outcome metric that says yes, we’re achieving brand awareness.
And then regardless of in house or agency, whoever’s doing the work should be hitting that number should be hitting whatever, whatever you agree brand awareness is.
And there are a variety of ways of doing that.
You can do it through attribution, modeling, marketing, mix, modeling, surveying, polling, etc.
The there’s no choice.
There’s no shortage of ways to do that.
But where the differences between in house and agency is typically in resourcing.
Right? So an employee costs x dollars an hour, like 40 an hour.
And they have presumably, dedicated a part or whole of their job towards doing the social media function at your company.
An agency will charge some kind of rate, retainer, and so on and so forth, and then deliver whatever is in the scope of work.
So the real question you have to say is, can you do an apples to apples comparison of both results that an agency gets versus as an employee and the costs of an agency versus an employee agencies are almost always gonna be more expensive than employees, almost always, the general rule of thumb that agencies operate on is sort of a 3x rule.
So whatever a person’s salary is, you need to build them out at 3x their salary in order for that employee to be profitable, because certain percentage of the time that employee is probably not billable for a client.
So if you’re paying Sally40 an hour as your in house Social Media Manager, then Tom at the agency is probably going to be billed out at 120 An hour assuming that Tom makes40 an hour that agency.
So the question is, for that money, can Tom generate 3x The results that Sally does? If the answer is no, then an agency is not worth it.
Right.
Then Then, in terms of KPIs, one of the things you have to think about is what is your cost per result, or as cost per outcome? If both Sally and Tom are assigned to improve the your brand recognition score by 4%.
And you’re paying Sally 1/3 of what you’re paying Tom, Tom had better create three of that 4% Right Sally create 1% of that lift, top bidder create 3% to be commensurate with the money that you’re spending on Tom versus Sally.
If they’re if that’s not clear, who’s doing what, then you’ve got to figure that out with a more sophisticated analytics solution to help you understand yes, this is what Tom generates is what Sally generates.
If you can’t do that, you may want to pause one or the other maybe reassigned Sally to some different work and then see, you know, how much of a Delta there is between the work the result that was happening when Tom and Sally were working together versus when we reassigned Sally maybe to organic search or email marketing.
And it’s just Tom at that point that at the agency generating the social media results, the KPIs you care about, if you do that, and you see that suddenly, instead of 4% left, because Sally was doing one and Tom was doing three, you should see, you know, 3% Social media lift because Sally’s gone Tom’s to cut the other 3%.
If you go down to 1%, then you know Tom wasn’t carrying his weight.
Right? You know that the agency was not doing what it was supposed to be doing.
That’s the that’s the trade off between an agency versus in house in house, like I said, is almost always going to be cheaper because you have the full time employee.
The challenge is, do you have the budget to maintain that headcount? Over the long period of time you need to make
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social media KPIs worthwhile.
Social media KPIs, if you’re doing them well are going to be things like brand awareness are going to be things like lead Generation those metrics take time to create.
You can’t just hop on Twitter tomorrow, or put up stuff on Tiktok tomorrow and expect overnight results, that almost never happens.
More often than not, it takes sometimes a year, two years, three years to ramp up your production and work the kinks out so that you can create great results consistently.
And so, if you’re going to hire an in house social media marketer, one of the things you’ve have to ask is, can we maintain this presence for three years with this, you know, this full time employee, and you asked the same question of your agency to you may change agencies, but your expectations are that an agency will create that outcome in a commensurate with the budget you give it.
So maybe you allocate 5,000 A month internally for a social media resource, and you allocate10,000 a month for an agency resource.
It is not unreasonable to say the agency resource had better generate 2x The results, the in house resource does cover paying 2x The money if they don’t generate that result might be time to switch for different agency.
More important.
It’s great.
And important to be clear upfront to say like this is what we expect.
These are the results we’re trying to create.
And we want you agency to generate these can you achieve this 4% brand recognition lift? And if an agency says yes, we can, then you have them sign on the line.
And you hold them accountable, do that.
Right.
This is you wouldn’t employ it’s making sure that you have KPIs that are meaningful that contribute.
And that can be seen in an attribution model or a marketing mix models so that everybody’s held accountable to the same outcomes.
And the outcomes are commensurate with the resources you invest in them.
So those would be my expectations of content and KPIs for an agency versus in house.
It’s commensurate to the resources you invest.
And you choose the metrics based on the outcomes that makes sense to the business.
Thanks for asking.
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In today’s episode, Bonnie asks, What does a CMO want to see from their agency? And 2022? This is a relatively easy question to answer.
It’s the same thing that they want to see from the agency and 2021 or 90 and 21.
Right? What have you done for me lately? How are you helping me get my bonus? That’s it.
A cmo wants to know what the agency has done? What results have you gotten? Are you getting consistently bigger and better results? If you’re a PR agency? Have you gotten me in better publications? Have you gotten me in front of more reporters or sources or influencers? If you’re an ad agency, have you increased the number of clicks and conversions I’ve gotten? Have you decreased my costs? Everybody wants the same three things better, faster, cheaper, that’s what we all want.
An agency that can deliver one of those three is going to do really well.
Two out of three, you’ve got a client for as long as they want you and three out of three, your clients probably going to try and buy because you’re delivering miracles, better, faster and cheaper.
That’s what we all want.
So when we look at what an agency is tasked with doing, you know, if you’re an SEO agency, have you improved my organic search traffic? Right? Am I getting more and better search traffic than I was a year ago? If you’re? If you’re a management consulting agency, like Trust Insights, have you solved problems and taken things off my to do list, right? Have you taken more off my to do list and you’ve put on it, that’s a really easy one.
Where agencies run into trouble, is not delivering on those things, is not focusing on what the customer wants, the customer wants better, faster and cheaper.
And if you as an agency are not delivering better or faster or cheaper, you’re not going to keep the client, right? If you are making the client’s life harder, if you are just spending money, if you are not showing any value not showing any return on investment, you’re gonna make the CMO really unhappy.
So if you were hiring agency, what would you want from them, you hire an agency really for one of two reasons.
There’s knowledge that they have that you don’t, that you need their expertise for.
Or you’re hiring hired guns, you know, butts in seats, or hands on keyboards, because you just don’t have enough, right? In those two scenarios.
If you have the knowledge, as an agency, if you have the specialized knowledge, you’re sure that you should be delivering certainly better performance, perhaps faster, maybe cheaper, maybe not.
But you should be delivering on better.
If you are selling hands selling butts and seats, you should be doing a little bit better, we should be doing a lot faster, and maybe cheaper.
When a CMO is weighing whether to spend this 100 grand on two hires, or one agency, the two hires are going to be cheaper, just generally speaking, hires are almost always cheaper than an agency.
So as an agency, you’ve got to deliver on better and faster all the time.
That’s what a CMO wants to see.
That’s what anybody wants to see from the agency.
What have you done for me lately? It’s a truism.
You know, you are only as good as your last win.
Whatever it is, whether it was a campaign that went well, whether it was a insightful analysis, whether it was a big placement in a TV show, or a newspaper or whatever, you’re only as good as your last one.
And if you haven’t had a good win recently, you’re in trouble.
So that’s what the CMO wants to see.
Now, how do you do that? That’s a whole other topic.
But that’s what every stakeholder wants to see better, faster, cheaper.
How we deliver on that is, what makes or breaks whether we keep the client or not.
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Molly asks, “Would you say that most agencies who want to support inclusive marketing or “sell it” don’t really have an inclusive/diverse organization?”
You Ask, I Answer: Diversity and Inclusion in Agencies?
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In today’s episode, Molly asks, Would you say that most agencies who want to support inclusive marketing or sell it, don’t really have an inclusive or diverse organization? Oh, Molly.
This is one of my favorite bones to pick about a lot of agencies, particularly in marketing, PR and advertising.
They are very strongly monocultures.
It’s not just a lack of diversity is a monoculture of people.
monoculture of thinking, a monoculture of behavior and values.
When you look, go to the go
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to the top three PR agencies or the top three marketing agencies in your city, go to the team page, go to the leadership page, and look around and just do some counting, particularly if you are an area where you know, the demographic distributions.
For example, years ago, I worked at an email marketing company.
And it was based in Atlanta.
And if you looked at the leadership page of this company, it was 80%, male and 100% White.
Now, if you know anything about Atlanta, Georgia, Atlanta, Georgia, is an extremely diverse city, but the majority population is black.
Right? So if an organization was representative of the population that it was serving, it would also be majority black.
Right? And there wasn’t out of 75 people on staff there was not a single black
person at that agency.
And when I asked
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them about this, how we couldn’t find any qualified candidates, I’m sorry, this is a city of what a million people, 2 million people, you can’t find one person here.
That doesn’t look like you that can’t do the job that you do, which by the way, is just attend meetings all day and drink coffee.
Pretty sure I can find a whole bunch of people who could do that.
No, Molly, you are 100%.
Right.
There is a very, very distinct a lack of diversity, particularly at the leadership levels in marketing, advertising and PR agencies.
And again, just do the leadership test, Go to the principal’s page, go to the the leadership page on any agency’s website
and tally up the numbers, right, who is there? Now,
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should you be hiring people just because they are like Korean? For example? No, you should still be hiring qualified people.
But there are so many biases,
extrinsic and intrinsic biases that
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we have not solved in hiring, we have not solved the hiring, even those solutions exist.
We have not solved because organizations by and large, don’t seem willing to
make a commitment to that
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to those changes.
And yes, some things take time, right? If you’ve got an agency that’s been around for 70 years, right, you’re probably still waiting for the last generation or two generations to retire.
But your mid level management should be more diverse, right? Because as as time goes on, that mid level management gets higher and higher, and eventually should represent the place and the talent pool it draws from.
For an agency that was started, say in the last 20 years agency started in the 21st century, there is no excuse for a lack of diversity.
None.
We have known that diversity and inclusion is important.
McKinsey has written a number of studies saying that, that diverse and inclusive organizations are more profitable, right? So I believe in it was like a 2017 study that said that on average, organizations with diverse and inclusive leadership were 14% more profitable than organizations of monocultures which again is not a huge surprise, right? The more different viewpoints you have in the boardroom, the more solutions or potential solutions you have to be able to draw from right if you’ve got people who are black who are female, who are non binary, who are American Indian, who are East Asian Indian, if you’ve got people who are old people who are young people who have are gamers, people who are just I just gay.
All these different backgrounds, all these different lived life experiences, how come with winning strategies, right? Someone who grew up Asian in an Asian culture has some winning strategies they take from their culture, someone who grew up Catholic has some winning strategies they take from their culture.
Yeah, and you need as many of these as possible where you run into trouble is when you have a monoculture when everybody thinks the same, you then can’t come up with new ideas, you can’t come up with better ideas.
When we look at things like machine learning and AI, these things are being trained on massive datasets that represent the scope of human experience.
Right? So if you’re trying to, to match the outputs of what machines can do you to have to draw from the scope of human experience, not just from a segment of it, if you want to be competitive against what machines can do.
So yes, I would say that there are a number of organizations, not just agencies, either, all companies again, go to the leadership page of any company and look at the breakouts, what percentage of the the leadership of a company is one gender or another, right? If you represented the population, it should probably be about 4040 20 40%, identifying as male 40%, identifying as female, and about 20% that chooses not to identify, if you look at the statistics about Gen Z, in particular, the first generation that has felt the freedom to express themselves by non traditional gender constructs at work up to 20 to 25% of them don’t identify with a classical heteronormative role.
So just on that basis alone, you look at the leadership page, and you should see that level of representation if an agency that says it’s diverse and inclusive, is doing it now, if an agency does not make that claim, an agency says no, we don’t care about diversity, or, you know, they just don’t mention it, then, yeah, I would say you don’t have to call them on it, because they’re not.
They’re not saying that they’re not saying something that they aren’t.
Right.
If on the other hand, you have an agency that loudly proclaims, you know, they’re talking about diversity inclusion, and they support black lives matter.
That’s good.
We want them to do that, well, people to do that.
But then you look at the leadership page, and there’s zero black people, they’re like, Okay,
well,
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you need to do some more work, you need to do some work to get to the point where the people that you claim to represent are, in fact, actually part and parcel of the business.
And then those not easier, right? It is not easy to change cultures, it is not easy to move people in the direction that the culture overall is moving.
There are a lot of folks who don’t see the value in it.
And there are some folks who believe that greater diversity inclusion means less opportunity for them, which, depending on their level of skill might be true, right? If you have if you open up a hiring pool to everybody.
And you know, 40% of the hiring pool is terrific.
And 20 to 60% is not and you’ve got somebody who’s in that 60% category.
Yeah.
There, there are fewer seats available for people who are who don’t meet the qualifications regard and they might have this is the difference, they might have had a chance previously when you excluded large groups of people, right? If you excluded
all women, for example, then yeah, by definition that
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that person with mediocre to poor skills might have slipped in under the radar, because they were, you know, there were a few people candidates available to fill those seats.
Once you open the exam, say, hey, let’s try hiring from the other 50% of the population.
The overall talent pool rises, the number of competent people in the talent pool rises, and employers have their choice of an overall bigger part of highly qualified people.
And so all those people who are in the less qualified part, they are gonna get left out.
And so it then
creates an
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onus of responsibility on those individuals to skill up, to skill up to get better at what they do whatever it is that you do.
So that you’re more competitive in the global workplace.
The biggest threat
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and I’m gonna say this real carefully, but the biggest threat is not diversity or inclusion.
The biggest threat is machine learning and AI for a lot of roles, because right now machines can do mediocre work.
And if your skills are below mediocre, your career is in danger not from a woman or both.
Black person or Korean or gay person, it’s under threat from a machine that will do your job, or good chunks of your job for pennies on the dollar of what you cost as a human.
If companies are, continue to
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be highly profit motivated, which in a capitalist economy, they will be the machines are going to be your first choice, not the diversity, hire the machine because the machine doesn’t get sick, the machine doesn’t catch COVID, the machine doesn’t show up drunk, the machine just does its job, right.
And that’s going to be the biggest challenge for people in any industry in the next 20 years.
So you got to get skilled up again, not to be saying that a diversity hire or something is is taking your position, but the machines will be the machines absolutely will be.
And this holds true for everybody, regardless of your background, regardless of your ethnicity, or your sexual orientation or whatever.
We are all in a race to become better, because our machines are becoming better.
So diversity and inclusion is something that is absolutely important.
It is the critical path to getting to better results because of diversity of thought.
It is one of your few insurance policies against the machines because again, a wider body of thought means better, more unorthodox solutions that machines have not seen before yet.
And if you say you’re gonna be if you say you’re diverse, be diverse if you if you if you talk the talk, you got to walk the walk.
That’s just the way that works.
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Good question.
We could spend a whole lot of time on this a whole lot of time, but that’s a good place to leave it for now.
Thanks for asking.
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Sarah asks, “How do you get clients to renew on a monthly basis when, at the same time, you need to convince them on the “long game” aspect of your effort with them as an agency?”
You Ask, I Answer: Monthly Client Retainers for Long Term Projects?
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In today’s episode, Sarah asks, How do you get clients to renew on a monthly basis when at the same time, you need to convince them on the long game aspect of your efforts with them as an agency? So that’s a good question.
Um, the short answer is you have to be providing value at a level commensurate with the value asking from them.
If you’re asking somebody to pay you monthly, you need to be delivering value monthly.
Alright, if you’re asking someone to pay you annually, you need to be delivering value annually.
If you need to be delivered, you need someone to pay you weekly, you need to deliver value weekly.
So the big question is, can you take what you do? And break it up into milestones where people can see okay, this is the monthly milestone I see what I’m getting for my money.
That’s fundamentally what when a client says, you know, I want to renew on on X basis, what they’re really saying is, I don’t trust you enough to just hand you a big pile of money, have you go away for six months and hope that we get something at the end of it? You have to figure out how to split up your value and deliver that value month over month so that there’s a reason for them to keep saying yes, when you have something that renews monthly, you are essentially pitching to win your business over and over again, every single month, you’re essentially saying, hey, I need to prove value to this customer this month, what have I given my customer this month, that’s helpful.
One of the most straightforward tactics on this front is good reporting.
Right, whatever it is, you do as an agency, your monthly reporting should demonstrate that value, right, it should showcase here’s what we see.
Here’s the data that we’ve collected.
Here are our insights.
Here are our recommendations.
Our next steps are timeframes.
Here are the decisions we need you to make.
Here are some advisory things that we see in your data that are not necessarily in our purview, but you might want to take care of, for example, with Trust Insights, we do a ton of reporting for our clients, I’m gonna why you should wear nadolol X consulting firm.
And very often, they will be something in the data that I look at go Hmm, that’s weird.
Let me bring that to somebody’s attention that this is one technology client, we kept seeing GitHub showing up over and over again, in their data as a referring traffic source.
And I said, Well, clearly, this is a major community that you need to be paying attention to.
When was the last time you took on a popular repo in your space and sponsored it and just say, Hey, we’re sponsoring this machine learning model for $10,000.
So we’re gonna get our logo and our thanks from the creators in the in the checkout in the codes and repo for six months, whatever.
It’s basically influencer marketing, right.
Our remit as a consulting firm is not influencer marketing.
Our remit is to tell clients what’s wrong with their data.
But in seeing this data, we said, here’s an opportunity that we think might be worth investigating, right? So talk to your influencer marketing agency about a project like this.
So we’re providing them
Christopher Penn 3:46
additional value on top of the value that they’re already contracted to get, because we see it in their data.
And so even though it may take months to, to help them get their data squared away, get their infrastructure squared away, we can find relatively easy wins along the way to say, hey, this might be a good thing to do.
Right, the data suggests this is an audience to pay attention to this is a group of people to pay attention to this is an individual to pay attention to, here’s a YouTube channel that’s worth looking at whatever the case may be.
Finding that information out helps to provide value.
Maybe you’re an SEO firm, and you see, hey, there’s some search trends here that are interesting.
Here’s a content calendar, go, go try building content around this.
Maybe you’re an email marketing firm, and you’re and you notice, hey, this set of links in your newsletter gets way more clicks than we thought it would.
Maybe you need to build some blog content around that.
Maybe you’re an ad agency, and you’re running ads and you keep seeing this one competitor.
This is trouncing everybody and you’ll look at their ads and go hmm, there’s some really good ideas in here that maybe you know we could help our client put their own unique spin on to to win some business.
Whatever it is you do There are opportunities if your eyes are open to say, Hmm, there’s something of interest here that’s not within our remit.
And it may not even, it may not be an upsell for you, it may just be like, Hey, pay attention to this.
But in doing so you’re providing value to your client, when they would benefit from it most.
So how do you get clients to renew on a monthly basis provide the monthly value.
If you’re not, they’re not going to renew because when you are dealing with a client, that’s renewing month to month, you are selling month to month, you are re winning the business month to month and that’s a challenging position to be in.
But it’s an important one.
Because you you essentially are showcasing that your value is so good that you’re willing to go month to month with a customer to say like, yeah, we are so confident that what we have to offer is useful that we’re willing let you walk away.
Anytime after 30 days.
That’s a pretty bold statement.
So good question.
We could spend a whole lot of time on client retention and things and maybe that would be a good topic someday.
But it always comes down to value.
What are you doing for the client that makes them say, I’m really glad I’m paying you money? Hey, if I gave you more money, what else could you do for me? Right? That’s, that’s the question you want your clients asking all the time.
So make sure you’re providing enough value that that question is kind of bothering them in the back of their head say what if I gave them more money? What would happen? So good question.
Thanks for asking.
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A fireside chat with Christy Hiler, president and owner of Cornett and UntilYouOwnIt.com, a movement focused on increasing the number of women-owned marketing and advertising agencies.
Fireside Chat with Christy Hiler of UntilYouOwnIt.com
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Christopher Penn 0:09
All right in this special episode today talking with Christy Hiler, from coronet about women owned agency.
So Christy, you tell us a bit more about who you are and what you do and why you’re here.
Sure.
Christy Hiler 0:22
I’m Christy Hiler, president and owner of cornet Cornett has been in business for over 30 years.
It’s an advertising agency based in Lexington, Kentucky.
And let’s see, I have been here, almost 20 years.
And about five years ago, I took over as president and then just over a year ago, I purchased the agency 100% of the agency.
And shortly after I bought cornet I started asking around.
Because I was curious how many other female owned agencies there were in this business, and I was going through the process of getting certified by WeBank.
And that’s a pretty intense process getting certified you.
You have to provide a lot of informations and a lot taxes.
And just, I would say time and money to there is a fee associated with that.
It’s not huge, but I started asking if they had a number.
And I think that because that process is so cumbersome.
I don’t think that that information really is complete.
I think that there’s some factors that hold people back from going through that certification process.
But then I started asking a number of the different associations in this industry, the four A’s, and there’s also an age which has a datacenter.
And just another context, some industry leaders if they knew where I could find this number, and it was really hard to get to get to a number and even I would say the closest number admitted that it’s probably not current, or complete.
And so I felt like, Okay, well, how can we? How can we how can we start building this number because I don’t think that we’re going to see progress unless we have a baseline.
And the number that I got, the closest number that I got to was that was that of the over 20,000 agencies in the US advertising agencies.
Less than 150 are female owned.
Now, again, I don’t think that that is a complete number, I don’t think that there is a source that has a good list a clean list.
And that’s why I’m really excited to talk to you because data is something that you very much believe in.
And I do too.
And I do because if you look at a lot of the progress in our industry, right now, a lot of it has come from looking at data.
And it’s hard.
It’s hard to look at such an ugly number.
For me, I couldn’t turn away from that.
When I learned that, that means that we have far less than 1% of all agencies are owned by women.
And if you look at data just across just general in the US businesses, almost 40% of general businesses in the US are owned by women.
So like how can there be such this incredible discrepancy? It’s not easy for me to turn away from that number and feel good about turning away from that number.
I have to look at that and go okay, wait, that’s not okay.
Have one like let’s get a real number.
And if that is a real number, we got to do something to drive that number significantly higher.
And so if you look around in our business, that has been done a number of times.
So there’s a well known initiative that started about 10 years ago called the 3% movement in the advertising business and that at the time, was the number 3% 10 years ago, the there were only 3% of all creative directors that’s not chief creative officers.
That’s not good.
route creative directors ACD, that that was just creative directors were female in this business.
And since that time, and since they have raised that issue and held conferences, and many other initiatives that are a part of that
Christy Hiler 5:21
that number has grown to 30%.
So again, I think, you know, just being able to have the right numbers to work with, and then bringing people and pulling this community, we can see some progress.
So that’s who I am.
And that is what I came on to talk to you about, which is this initiative called ownit, which is hoping to shine a light on the lack of equality in ownership in the advertising business.
Christopher Penn 5:58
How did that happen? So how did you know less than 1% of ad agencies end up being owned by women? What’s the what do you think are the driving causes behind that?
Christy Hiler 6:09
Yeah.
So that’s what the podcast element of ownit is also talking a lot about, I have started that podcast because I wanted to talk to both owners, industry leaders, and then the other side, which is women who aren’t yet owners and understand what’s holding them back.
A couple of things that I think are very consistent that I’ve heard just even so far, and I’ve only, you know, spoken and recorded maybe 10 interviews so far, but consistently, what you hear and what we know, and what is said about this businesses, you know, it’s called the boys club of advertising, I mean, madmen? Is not.
Yes, you like you think about it being early days of average.
But it’s it’s not the like that is the route, that is how this industry was built.
So the you know, the infrastructure of this business was built like that.
And so until that changes, we’re not going to see a change at the top.
But I also think that there have been a lot of really fantastic conversations and initiatives like 3%, and see her and have her back.
I mean, there’s a lot of really great conversations that have been building that have allowed and put more women in positions of leadership.
But what I am saying is, that can’t be the end, like, let’s not have leadership, be the end goal, but to have ownership be the end goal.
What if we just kick that bar up one more notch.
And we say, instead of getting and talking about getting women in positions of leadership, let’s let’s just keep that going.
Let’s go one more step to ownership.
And I think that’s really important, because at the ownership level, you that’s really when you have the ultimate power, the ultimate power to change your agency, and then collectively change the industry.
But there also is another important piece of that, and that’s wealth, right, like redistribution of wealth, so that there’s equality, in and distribution to women in terms of wealth, too.
So I think both of those things are ultimately what, what I would like to see and I would like for us to talk more about
Christopher Penn 9:01
for folks who are not owners talk a bit about what the difference is between being a leader and being an owner, somebody is not an owner.
What does that look like? And how do they become one? Sure.
Christy Hiler 9:14
Yeah.
So I can tell you, from my experience in what I’ve heard from a number of other owners so far to the difference is having the ultimate responsibility, you know, for me, when I was leading the agency, I was making a lot of decisions.
But honestly, Chris, I didn’t have the full weight of those decisions.
Because I wasn’t financially responsible for the weight of the you know, for those decisions until I was in the position of ownership.
So it’s both like, I think you should have that liability.
But I think you should also have the reward.
So like, if you’re making a lot of these decisions, and you’re building these agencies, and you are driving the vision, then you should also be rewarded for that financially.
Christopher Penn 10:17
Do you need to be a leader to be an owner?
Christy Hiler 10:21
That’s a, that’s a really great question.
Also, I think the difference between leadership and ownership in this I’ve heard a number of times from other owners is there are there are different skills that come with ownership, especially as it relates to finance and just like entrepreneurship skills.
And business.
A lot of if you think it, I think it depends on what kind of leadership you’re talking about to like, if you’re talking about creative department leadership, right? Like the skills that you need to do that job really well are, are vastly different from the skills that you would need in order to own and operate a successful agency.
And really, any, you know, leadership of different departments.
But I think you get closer when you are leaving the agency, I think that you are developing more of those skills to step into the ownership position.
So for me, and for a number of the other owners who purchased existing agencies, a lot of us were running the agencies, you know, Moore’s that President role before taking ownership, I think founders, you know, they jump right in to that position.
But again, I think it’s, it’s different from department leadership, there’s lots of different types of leaders.
And I think that the different and what you graduate from is like, being really well, at strategy, for example, for me, you know, I loved that.
And that was really what my hesitation was, for a long time and taking on the agency leadership role, was, I really love that piece.
And I didn’t want to stop doing that.
Because you kind of do, you have to let go of doing and hand that over to other people and trust and, you know, watch them and cheer them on.
And so it is, it is a different role.
You, you’re managing a lot more people oftentimes too, and but a lot of different parts of business.
But I love that I love the challenge that gave me the opportunity to grow and to learn from the business, but also from other people.
Christopher Penn 13:14
What about other agency types, PR agencies, marketing agencies, management consultancies and stuff? Do they all seem to adhere to about the 1%? As well?
Christy Hiler 13:23
Oh, that’s a good question.
I don’t know.
I don’t have the data on PR agencies, necessarily, although I will say it.
I, I think that there are some agencies that do PR that are a part of this list.
I don’t, I don’t know.
It.
I don’t know the number specific to PR only agencies, or different, you know, specialties within this business.
But I’d like to, I’d like to look at that.
I think that would be an interesting number to see.
If and how those are different.
Christopher Penn 14:09
I think I know the answer to this question.
And it’s going to be the answer is disappointingly small.
But all of that 1%.
How many are women of color?
Christy Hiler 14:20
Oh, yes.
I don’t know the number either.
Yet, because we’re just gathering the data.
And actually, I don’t I think we’ll have to build into the way that we’re capturing data, a mechanism to be able to capture that specific data.
There are women of color that I know are a part of this, this but I don’t I don’t have the specific data or even the field to capture that right now.
But I think that’s an ADD and honestly, Chris, I was really excited to have this conversation.
Because you do this better than I do.
And I would love your thoughts on how I should be thinking about capturing, and also growing the data.
And what I should be looking at in order to see these numbers go up, because that’s the whole point we want to see, we want to get that accurate read, but then we want to grow it.
And some of that is going to come from community.
But I also want to know what to do with this data in order to make sure that we see it go up.
Christopher Penn 15:38
Are there legal or structural hurdles in the way of women becoming owners? Obviously, there’s the cultural bias, you mentioned already, but the legal and structural hurdles,
Christy Hiler 15:51
I would say, more than legal or structural, it’s going to be financial.
And so there was, there was a woman that was on the podcast a few weeks ago, actually, I don’t think I have pushed that one live yet, but it’s coming.
In two weeks, I think it will go live.
She is more focused on.
She has a foundation that is connected to her agency, and they work to help women secure more funding for their businesses.
Now, that said, she doesn’t only focus on funding agencies actually, when I asked her, have you had any agent, have you had any agency pitches, she, they have pitch nights.
And then they also have grants, because they recognize that so much of the funding is still given to men a largely disproportionate amount, especially anything over $100,000.
So I think financially, we’ve got to get to more equity, a more equitable place.
But I think a lot of that, as she was saying, is just women going after that funding and know how, knowing how to secure the funding, how to pitch their business.
And so that’s why the pitch piece is a part of her foundation, in addition to some of the grants.
Christopher Penn 17:27
Is it easier for someone easier for a woman to try to acquire and purchase an existing agency, or to be a founder and start a brand new one, in terms of becoming an owner?
Christy Hiler 17:43
I don’t know if it’s easier, but it’s certainly different.
So for me purchasing the agency, there’s obviously a more significant financial cost to that.
Going through the process of getting the valuation and determining the value of the company, and then which form of funding you want to, to use in order to purchase the company.
So and there are some, there’s a lot of different ways you can go about that.
I looked at the SBA was one, so you can get one option for me was 100% funding to come from the SBA, but I ended up doing a different path through a bank, and then also a note.
But there’s a lot of different ways you can go about funding if you’re buying an existing agency.
So I would say the cost financially is higher if you go that path.
Starting from scratch, though you don’t have the revenue to really secure some of that funding.
So again, it was easier for me to take on that funding and the debt because I knew that I could pay it because I have revenue and establish relationships.
But if you’re founding it, you don’t necessarily have that.
So I think there is a different challenge in having to build up that revenue.
And also your team.
You know, I had a I had a fantastic I have a big, fantastic team, a team that’s been here a really long time.
I’ve got a leadership team.
And then you know, nearly 50 people here So, I think starting from scratch versus buying an agency, they’re just really different.
Christopher Penn 20:07
Can you talk about the valuation process and how that goes, because there’s obviously been a number of articles talking about how agencies owned by people of color agencies owned by women, companies, owned by both categories, typically undervalued for when they when they do come up for sale.
Christy Hiler 20:28
Well, I wasn’t buying at the time an agency that was owned by a woman or a person of color.
But the evaluation process is pretty straightforward.
And I mean, you there, I would say the most important thing is to get a partner that is going to be doing the evaluation that you trust, and really read through the details of how they value different parts and how they get to the value.
Okay? Because, yes, they can, it’s not.
As much as I say, there is a formula, and there is, there is a range that you can use for each different component of the business that you’re evaluating.
So that’s why you’ve got to have a partner that you trust.
Because you could, you could have a partner that is looking out more for building the value of the owner, or building the case more for the buyer.
So you just want to really make sure that you’ve got somebody that you feel is looking out for both, ideally, right, I mean, even as the buyer, you want to make sure that the that the company like that it’s fair, it’s fair for both parties.
So I would say that is one of the most critical factors is who’s doing the evaluation, and get multiple, and then also have some outside counsel, I had some folks that I turned to, to better understand it from a financial side that weren’t involved in this business, or industry, that could help me understand it and take a look at the valuation as well just as an outside set of eyes and make sure that they felt like it was fair to
Christopher Penn 22:37
it sounds almost like a real estate transaction with a buyer’s agent and the sellers agent and stuff like that.
Just like a real estate transaction, we have the land, the building and all that stuff.
Can you talk more about what those components are of an agency and how they’re valued?
Christy Hiler 22:53
Yeah, well, an agency is is an interesting one, because an agency really is just its people, and also the relationships and the contracts that you have in place.
So for us, a lot of that is it’s the evaluation is based on the business, the business that we’ve had for a number of years, but also the relationships, the How long have we had those? Look, we gotta look at the contracts that are in place.
What are the terms of those contracts? And then also, just yeah, the stability of the of the business? And terms for payments, there’s a lot of different factors that they’re looking at.
And honestly, I’d have to, I’d have to go back and refresh my memory on all the different parts of that evaluation.
But it is it is, it’s, it’s detailed, much like that, you know, we bank, I mean, they’re going to they’re, they look at everything, and they verify all of that information.
And it’s also a really interesting and important piece, when you’re taking on the ownership to to really understand all of that and to make sure that you know exactly what you’re buying and all parts of it.
So it is it’s a big undertaking, but it should be.
Christopher Penn 24:32
So let’s say you’ve got a new woman owner, she’s just starting out her agency, if you would have to counsel her on building an agency that has strong value based on all those different components that you just talked about, where should she be investing her time, you know, where should How should she be growing her agency for maximum sustainable value?
Christy Hiler 24:56
Yeah.
So I think The biggest thing is just is to focus on your team, the team that is working to secure and build those relationships, making sure that they know where you’re going, what your vision is, and the values of the business.
For me, I am really open, you know, it’s really important to me that every person here knows what this agency is about and where we want to go, right, we’ve all got to be going towards the same thing.
And so I build a business plan, which is also part of the requirement as you’re going to get any sort of funding.
So that’s really helpful, too.
And you have to know, where’s the business? Like, what is the growth path? And where is it going to come from, and then sharing that and make sure people are behind you.
And they are committed also and really bought in to being able to, to grow in that way and see the agency and participate in that vision and the path.
So I share the business plan.
Every year, I update it, and I share it with the leadership team, the folks that are going to be a part of or whether or not we get there.
Christopher Penn 26:32
Can you talk about so you were a leader for a long time before becoming an owner? How did your relationships with other leaders within the agency change when you became the owner?
Christy Hiler 26:47
That’s a great question.
You know, I think I have said a few times that I felt like it would be I felt like it before I purchased it like it felt like such a big deal.
You know, and in my mind, and honestly, I think that that is going back to your question like What is really holding people back? A lot of it is that women don’t, you know, they don’t know what if they can do it.
You know, they doubt themselves.
If you look at some of the data, there isn’t any data that supports that women own agencies are less successful than men, in fact that there’s the opposite.
You know, there is data that supports that, that they can be more successful.
But there is data that shows that women don’t believe they will be as successful.
If you ask women, if they can do it, and you asked men, if they could do it, the percentage of men who say they can do it is is greater than the percentage of women and that.
And that was true for me.
So I wanted to make sure that I could do this well, because I love this agency.
And I love this business.
And I love the people here and I love the clients that we have in those relationships, and they’re really important.
And I didn’t want to take over anything that I couldn’t do well, with.
So I felt like in my mind, it was like this huge, like, you know, it was going to be this big difference.
But really, I think, at the others on the other side of it, I was like, Oh, it doesn’t feel that difference.
And I would tell you, I feel the weight for sure I do.
And I knew that and I wanted that I wanted to feel the weight of the decisions, but and the responsibility for, you know, 50 people and their families, and they’re like, You should feel that.
But I don’t feel like I became a much different person.
You know, I mean, I feel like you could ask a lot of the team.
And the way that I was leading it before is still the way that that I’m leaving it in many of in many ways.
Except, I would say that I continue to be even more transparent and even more forward thinking and here’s where we’re here is where we’re going and just constantly keeping my eyes ahead and making sure that everybody knows where we’re going.
And as things change, because in this business, they change a lot.
Every day our business is changing, and we’ve got to be able to adapt and so constant communication is a key is a really important piece of that.
So they’ve got to trust me and a lot of that trust is built a little bit, you know, one step at a time and one little piece at a time.
Every decision I make can either build or You know, really lose trust.
So I try to really stay connected and open in a lot of different ways.
And that’s from from the leadership team all the way down, you know, I really want to make sure that I know how the team is doing, too, that they feel like they can share with me anything that they feel can be improved, because as an agency, I want every year for us to be significantly better than we were the year before.
Because we’ve got, we got big goals to be at the top of our business, and we only get there if, if we know what’s going on within our agency and how we can get better.
Christopher Penn 30:41
What changes, if any, have you made as an owner, that are different from what previous owners? What decisions they made as owners?
Christy Hiler 30:53
So a couple of things that I would say, off the top of my head one is, I started profit sharing program.
And that profit sharing program is it is there’s a team that is a part of that.
And we have goals for the agency.
And if we hit those goals, and we exceed those goals, then we all share in that.
And again, that kind of goes back to really making it more of a team effort, and that we’re all headed and working towards the same thing.
So that’s one and then another piece right away.
And I have four kids, I’m done having children.
But I changed our maternity and paternity leave policies right away.
That was really important.
And yeah, I mean, I think I just fair compensation, I did an audit of how every every person is compensated and, and building and continuing to evaluate and make sure that people are paid fairly and an even get them, you know, paid well, that’s a really important piece.
And we have gone after a number of things like best places to work.
And we do that, not as much.
Although I do love being able to say we are best place to work in Kentucky, we were named a best place to work in Kentucky last year.
And then we’re recently named it again.
So two years, both years that I’ve owned the company, but but we do that because you also get a lot of data it gives you we work to you know, have as many people in the agency submit their information.
And we do that because that helps us know how we’re doing across a lot of different parts of our business.
How do our people feel they’re compensated? How do they feel? Do they have everything they need to be successful here? And if they don’t, we’ll we’ll have a better understanding of of what they don’t feel like they have.
And then let’s work to get it.
So it helps us get even better too.
So those are some of the things but I’m sure there’s more.
Christopher Penn 33:40
After you became a women owned business, did you pursue any of the state and federal certifications as a women owned business? And if so, did that change the kinds of customers and business you were able to win?
Christy Hiler 33:52
Great question.
Yes, we are certified by WeBank.
So and like I said, that process was cumbersome, but it’s important.
I do want to be a part of that community and and there are some contracts where that is important for us to be able to show that certification.
But in terms of going after additional business, and that being a I would say contributor to wins i i Really i can’t show that yet.
But it is a piece of how we communicate about who we are.
As an agency we do say in every introduction and capabilities presentation we make we say that we are proudly independent and female owned
Christopher Penn 34:58
for a women who want to go the founders route, how do they go about getting funding, given some of the issues that that are in the funding space, when, for example, when Trust Insights was getting started, Katie and I were approached a number of investors and two of the investors told us to our faces, they would not invest in a company that had a woman CEO, that just flat out said that to our faces, and we’re like, it’s 20.
You know, 2018, at the time, given that culture, how should aspiring women founders be going up to looking to fund their businesses?
Christy Hiler 35:41
That’s hard for me to say, because I didn’t.
I’m not a founder.
But I would say, talk to other women founders, that would be step one.
If you want to purchase an agency, if you are currently leading or considering buying an agency, talk to me talk to other women who have done that, if you are thinking of starting your own agency.
That’s part of why I’m building this community too.
Because every per every one of these women that I have talked to, they would think they want to help, they want to see more women come into these positions, and they want to see them be successful.
So they’re there and they will give their time.
Reach out to them there are there are women that are on the podcast that our founders, Valerie Moselle, she would she, it would be a great resource.
And as this community grows, we’re going to have more so identify some of them come to this group come to me and I’ll you know, help you find somebody to that you can talk to and that can help you and like I said Kim Lawton with enthuse Marketing Group, she’d be another great resource, because she not only found it, but she is also working with other entrepreneurs, and she would be a far better resource, then, like I said, than I would but get connected, get somebody who has done it, and also believes in what you’re doing.
Mentorship is, I think, absolutely critical.
Having a community around you, when you step into a position of ownership is really important.
Christopher Penn 37:38
Terrific, where can people find out more, learn more and hear more about all of this?
Christy Hiler 37:44
Sure, go to until you own it.com.
That is our site where we want to hear and are capturing information about current owners.
But we also want to hear from women who are not yet owners what’s holding you back.
So as you go through, there’s a there is the homepage, which talks about where we are currently as an industry.
And then it says stand up and be counted within there.
At first, it will ask if the agency is what percentage of it is female owned.
And if it’s not, if it’s zero, or if you are not currently in a position of ownership, you can say what’s holding you back.
And we’d love to hear from you.
I would also say reach out to me on LinkedIn.
I’d love to connect with you or connect you with somebody else who could help.
And yeah, be be somebody who can come alongside of you and as you build your dream and see it come to life.
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Sarah asks, “QUESTION: WITH SO MANY OF US WORKING FROM HOME RIGHT NOW, HOW DO YOU COMMUNICATE AVAILABILITY TO YOUR CLIENTS AND SET EXPECTATIONS ON RESPONSE TIME?”
Use great calendaring software that offers allocated blocks of time. You set your working hours first, then set up what size windows you want to offer. Your calendaring software should do the rest, showing available slots that they can book. Hubspot, Google Calendar, Outlook, and many others all support this either natively or with a service like Doodle or Calendly.
For response times, it depends on what’s in the service level agreement. If there isn’t one, then set expectations appropriately for what you’re able to do based on what unscheduled blocks of time you have throughout the day. If your calendar is completely full, then you have to set expectations for next-day response times.
You Ask, I Answer: Scheduling Availability When Working From Home?
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In today’s episode Sarah asks, question was so many of us working from home right now? How do you communicate availability to your clients and set expectations on response times? So, this is a couple things.
Number one, you have to know what was contractually agreed.
If you are in the service industry and your company has signed a service agreement with the client specifying what the service level agreement is like, you’ll receive a response within an hour, etc, then you have to adhere to that, right? You have to do what is in the paperwork.
And if you have to, then you know, I would strongly suggest modifying your calendar so that there are blocks of time that are locked off, you know, 15 minutes every hour for client response time so that people cannot schedule a meeting over you.
The number one rule of calendar And scheduling is this.
If you do not control your time, your time will control you.
Right if you do not set limitations and expectations and program them into a system and then live by that system, you will get overwhelmed very, very quickly.
One of the things we do at Trust Insights is in our calendar invite system when you want to have an invite, they have the oddest times they’re offset by five or 10 minutes.
Again, so that if you’re if you happen to have back to back meetings, you want that 10 minute buffer after each meeting to you know, use the restroom, for example, grab a cup of coffee, whatever the case is, you have to have that buffer in place and if you do not put it in, no one is going to give it to you.
So you control your time or your time controls you.
That’s the rule.
Now.
You should be using great calendaring software that offers allocated blocks of time when it comes to sort of work life balance when you’re working from home.
You have to set your working hours first.
So in your calendaring system, you set your working hours, I’m in the office from 9am to 4pm, or 9am to 5pm, whatever it is your business operates as a standard operating procedure.
And then you put blocks in your calendar that say, or your calendar software, depending on who you use may offer those working hours settings and say these are my working hours.
When someone goes to schedule a meeting outside of those hours automatically gets rejected says outside of working hours.
That solves a lot of drama by itself because you can say, Yep, this is what I’m available.
You block those things off.
The next thing is to set up an invite system.
You decide what Windows you want to invite people, you know, 25 minutes, 50 minutes, 40 minutes, etc.
And then your calendaring software should do the rest.
Your calendaring software should be able to say here’s let’s create an invite link for a 25 minute meeting or a 40 minute meeting or a 15 minute meeting and then you give That link to your clients, you give that link to your co workers etc.
And then they get to choose when they want their meeting but within the boundaries of the calendar so the software will not let you over book another meeting.
software will not let you book a meeting outside of working hours.
If you have specific times you can say like I’m available from one to 3pm every day, and then people can choose their slots within that time.
That’s the best way to do it.
Because then you are giving limited control to your customers but you’re giving them control you’re giving them their choice of picking from available times, but with the understanding that this is what’s available.
Now you can and you should depending on the client and their importance to your company.
Be ready to make exceptions.
But for the most part, you want to stick to the system as well.
Best you can because that way, everyone is clear on what the expectations are.
This is when services available, etc.
This is when to stop.
If your calendaring system does not offer that, like for example, I don’t think Microsoft Outlook offers those exact features, you can use third party services like doodle or calendly.
To help gap fill other services like Google Calendar, and HubSpot, and such offer that scheduling services natively, it’s natively available within the software, when it comes to response times, again, depends on what’s in the contract and the service level agreement.
If if you have a 10 minute mandated response time, you have a you have to adhere to that.
And so one of the things you would need to do is in your calendars, set blocks of time that people can’t schedule over, you know, 10 minutes in the middle of the hour, 10 minutes at the end of the hour.
And then, you know, work your meetings around that as best as you can.
So that you can address those needs.
has to happen.
Now if your calendar is completely full, then need to move some stuff around to make time for that service level agreement.
If you don’t have one, then you need to figure out what that agreement would look like informally with setting expectations with your clients.
So the easiest way to do that is to look at your last two or three weeks of a calendar time appointments.
And see how many free blocks of time and how long they are throughout the day.
If your calendar is nine to five, completely solid, then you can’t do anything except me Oh, next day response time.
So you have to set the expectations.
If on the other hand, you have set down an allocated, you know 15 or 20 minutes every two hours and you can say yes, we’ll set up a a two hour response time.
Your concerns will be answered within those two hours it will be acknowledged acknowledged within those two hours then you’ll book the work from that If additional work needs to be booked on top of what’s already in there, this requires you to have great time tracking and such because one of the things that happens, especially in agency life, is that clients like to have the service available, but then they don’t like to pay for the hours that you use.
So having discipline around your calendar allows you to reduce both problems.
If you say to a client, hey, you have 10 hours of paid service time, because a lot of agencies work on the odd hours.
How do you want to use them this month, you know how many hours you want to book for actual work and how many hours you want to book for meetings and calls.
Again, you’re giving limited control to the client saying here’s what’s available, you have these 10 coins to spend and you spend them in the way that you want them to be spent.
If the client says I want to spend a time on on meetings, cool, you’ll get a lot of meetings and you’ll get to want to work but you will not get 10 hours worth of work in addition to eight hours of meetings, it’s, it’s just setting those expectations up front.
If you have a client that does not respect those limits, then you and your manager need to work with them and be more clear about those expectations to say like, Hey, here’s what you have allocated.
Here’s what is you have paid for if you want to pay for more.
You’re welcome to never say no to a client.
Say, here’s how you can get more by paying more.
And what tends happen an awful lot of the time his clients like yeah, you know, nevermind.
And sometimes there’s a legitimate need to say cool, I will pay more.
So you don’t say no, you just say it will be more expensive.
That typically ends the discussion right there most of the time.
It certainly would.
It was case in the public relations world.
At the end of the day, literally.
It is all about you having the discipline to run your calendar.
So setting expectations and then using a system that allows you to control your time.
Remember to book things like lunch, right? Set 45 minutes on the calendar every day for lunch and then stick to that.
Make sure that again, the software you’re using if somebody tries to schedule over an existing blockage is automatically rejected.
Don’t just bounce it back, say, you know, that block is not available.
In many cases, I know for Google Calendar, you can for Outlook you can you can share a link to your calendar that it just only shows free busy and to say like, Look, here’s what’s available, right and if they if your your clients can see Oh, wow, there’s, you know, no available for a week and a half.
Then either they can pay more to override something else or they can accept that the time is simply not there.
Make sure also that you block work time If you just let your calendars stay unscheduled, time will control you.
So if you know you’ve got a major client project coming up in two weeks, block four hours a day for that work time, so that you get that work done.
And that way again, if you’re living by your calendar, you’ve set expectations, your client will say, wow, there’s no availability in the mornings for the next week and a half or two weeks or whatever.
That way you get your work done.
That is especially true in any kind of a project based business.
You absolutely need to have work time booked so that people can see, okay, I can’t interrupt during these periods of time, something I run into a lot, making sure that I have you know, four hours at a time, because some of the work that I do with coding requires you to sit down and think and and not be interrupted.
Finally, make sure that whatever system you choose is compatible with how you work because if you don’t use the system, the system can’t work for you.
The system will work against you.
So however it is you work better If you work best and 20 minute pomodoro increments or you work best in to our deep work limits or whatever the case may be, figure out how the system works that is best suited to your style of work and then adjust your calendar appropriately.
But for sure, set those limits and let the software do the rejection for you.
If you have follow up questions, leave your comments below.
calendaring is is can be tricky, especially in agency life.
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Taryn asks, “What do you/your company post on company social media? Do you share client work and updates? BTS & company culture of the agency to appeal to new hires? A mix of both?”
It depends – each channel is different, each audience is different. Setting clear purpose and intent makes a big difference about what you post, about your whole agency social media marketing strategy. At Trust Insights, most of our Twitter and LinkedIn content is syndicated industry news we find useful. YouTube and Instagram tend to be events. Deciding a purpose matters most, following by setting measurement goals.
You Ask, I Answer: Agency Social Media Marketing Strategy?
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In today’s episode Terran asks, what do you what are your company post on company social media? If you work in an agency, do you share client work and updates back behind the scenes and company culture of the agency to appeal to new hires and mix? Both? It’s a good question.
It depends.
It depends on the audience, the channel, the overall strategy, things like that.
One of the things that is really helpful in terms of marketing your agency on social media is setting clear purpose.
What do you get from this channel? What do you get from this channel? What do you get from this channel? So Trust Insights, for example.
Twitter, mostly is going to be syndicated industry news.
Same with LinkedIn.
LinkedIn actually gets a syndicated copy of us to answer videos as well.
And that’s because the audiences on those platforms are, are expecting and behave like audiences that want heavy business content.
Things like articles we find useful and informative when it comes to data and analytics, which is what we mostly work with.
YouTube and Instagram, for us tend to be about events.
So posting conference videos, snippets, live interviews and things from events that we’re at, we go to a lot of events.
We speak at a lot of events.
And so those channels, that’s sort of the intent there.
So that that purpose matters most to know what it is that the audience expects.
The other thing to think about is what does the audience how do they behave? those channels.
When you’re on Instagram, for example, you’re you know, you’ve got the whole, you know, something going into scrolling through your feed is as quick as possible swiping through your stories.
And so that’s a place where it is almost completely visual content.
No super heavy chunks of text saying with Facebook, although our our analytics on Facebook have been so appalling that you know, it’s at this point, the only reason we post to Facebook because we haven’t removed from Agorapulse yet.
deciding that purpose matters the most.
Second thing that’s really important is to set really good measurement goals.
Right? If you set up a channel and you said this is going to be our behind the scenes channel, and you’re posting and then you look at your analytics and as a flatline, the audience isn’t responding to it.
So change your strategy one really important thing to do that not enough people do is ask the audiences on that channel what they want from you on that channel, just, you know, run a poll, run a survey, maybe even put a few ad dollars behind it just to make sure people who are subscribed to you can see it.
But ask them like, Hey, you follow us here in our audience, whatever.
What do you want to hear? What do you want to see? What would be value to you.
And that will help you triangulate on that channels impact as well.
Third thing I’d recommend doing is at least for those channels, where you can get the data LinkedIn is not one of them, but certainly YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, you can get competitive data.
So if there are competing agencies in your space, you can extract that data from the music and a number of different third party tools and get a sense for what really works for those other agencies.
So if you say like a public relations agency, put together a list in something like Talkwalker or CrowdTangle.
And look at what they post Look what gets them the highest levels of engagement, look at the top 20 or 30 posts or maybe the top 25%.
And get a sense of, is it content that is about, you know, behind the scenes, is it client stuff? What is it that that resonates most and that will give you a good sense of what that industry’s general audience is looking for.
So those are sort of three steps.
Figuring out your purpose, validating that purpose with measurement, and then looking at competitive in order to see our others others Similar audiences like that.
The competitive one I think, is when people don’t do enough of and they overlook because it is much more difficult and time intensive to do.
But it’s how you’re going to grow.
Because if you have a good sense of this is what our competitors are doing and what’s working for them, then you may be able to take some market share with them, at least in terms of Attention, attention that they get on social media.
Now.
If your competitors, engagement metrics, are all appallingly low, then you have to consider maybe they’re doing it wrong, as a collective group thing within an industry is not uncommon, especially the agency world because people in the agency world, job hop like crazy and so you can get a very homogenous culture.
In a region, all the agencies social media starts to behave the same because in some cases, that person that, you know, manager or a director or vice president has been at like seven agencies in the area in like the last four years.
And so all those practices tend to be homogenous.
So use that as a warning sign too.
if everybody’s content looks the same and everybody’s metrics look the same, then you have an opportunity to do something different and perhaps gain some market share that everyone is ignoring.
So something to think about lots lots to think about, but that’s would be my recommendation said the purpose measure the purpose and compare the purpose and see how you do if you have any follow up questions please leave them comments box below.
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Max asks, “What are some tips for agencies and freelancers for better business results in 2019?”
Agencies and freelancers are notorious for skimping on measurement. In this video, I offer some guidelines about how much to spend on measurement and how to create a measurement plan.
What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for watching the video.
In today’s episode, Max asks,
What are your biggest tips for freelancers and agencies for getting the best results for your customers in 2019?
Okay.
I’m awful. The, the number
one thing I see people not doing enough of, unsurprisingly, is measuring stuff. People have a tendency to simply spend all their time doing, and not investing enough time and enough resources. And measuring to figure out this is what really matters. The rule of thumb I’ve told people in the past and still holds true today is for every dollar you spend on marketing
plan to spend 25 cents on
the measurement and evaluation of it. If you’re going to spend
100 grand on marketing plan to spend 25, on the measurement of it to see what work will always cost that much. Not necessarily. But you need to be able to have the resources available so that if you have to bring in expertise, to get you the answers that you need, or you need to buy the
tracking software,
with the equipment or whatever up front, you’ve budgeted for it.
I remember I was working at doing some work at one point for a company that did, they were a retail store. And they were really, super insists on wanting to know how well was there out how effective was in marketing at bringing in foot traffic.
And they had all this, these plans like the foot traffic is going to do this and this. But
they didn’t have a single foot traffic counter in the in the store.
So
they set a measurement object, which is Atlanta was exactly you’re supposed to do. But then it didn’t have any way of actually tracking us they had to go and buy
the system. But the little cameras and
stuff that that track where people move around in the story, and it was very, very expensive, it was much more expensive than expected it to be had they budgeted
the 25% in order to get the equipment installed, they would have been okay.
The other thing people do wrong is that measurement
comes for them at the end of the process. At the end of the the marketing process in the planning process.
Your measurement strategy has to come up front because you need to know what you’re going to measure before you run the campaign.
To the example the the retail store, they wanted to measure foot traffic,
but they didn’t have any means of doing so. And had they
solve that problem first.
They would have been okay. One thing I see again, marketers do a ton of time is wrong is
they will try to retro actively measure something, but they didn’t have the tracking in place to measure it from something as simple as you know, a specific goal in Google Analytics to something as complex as
a certain type of ROI where they didn’t track the investment so they can’t do the return on their investment.
If you don’t
have that measurement strategy of fun if you don’t have the ability
to put build the infrastructure for measurement you in in many cases,
you cannot turn back time. Despite what shares songs as you cannot go back in time. And retro actively measure something you are not set up to measure in the first place. So
if you want to succeed in 2019, you need a measurement plan. You need a measurement goal. And you need to do it
as part of your overall plan.
I need to you need to invest heavily in the measurement. So that you know whether you’ve gotten to a goal or not.
There isn’t much more you can do that will be more impactful in your marketing. Because if you can’t measure it, your marketing can’t demonstrate his impact. You can say qualitatively
Oh, yeah, people love what we had to say or people loved our trade show booth where people loved our i think but if you can’t quantify it,
you can’t
accurately demonstrate it
impacts that’s that would be my my
biggest tip for for agencies and freelancers.
It’s especially important because I used to work in an agency and
many measurement was always an afterthought.
Measurement was something that
people never put first, because for two reasons one was expensive.
And too, if you’re not
someone for whom measurement and analytics and quantitative work comes naturally,
it can be intimidating.
Oh, there’s there’s one more factor.
One of the reasons why some people in some agencies, I’m being very specific. It’s it’s not everyone, it’s just some people.
But some people don’t like measurement. Because
once you measure something, you can evaluate its effectiveness. And there are some people in the agency world who are ineffective. They don’t get results. But they’ve managed to sort of stay under the radar. Because no one else is measuring. The only form of measurement they have is qualitative, like,
Oh, yeah, Joe, such a great guy.
Joe’s ROI is negative, but people like Joe, and so job may be able to get away with not delivering results. Once you implement a system of measurement,
it becomes much harder to justify
your
investment in Joe as is and either and Joe asked to up level his skills, or your agency, or the freelancers you work with. may need to to change strategies about who they choose to work with. So that’s the other reason why measurement sometimes doesn’t rise to the top of the priority list. Again, not everyone, not everyone, just some people at some places
would prefer that you not shine the light of day, and then the light of measurement on on what they’re doing. So
great question max.
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Julia asks, “How can a small business approach SEO when it doesn’t have the budget to hire an agency and it doesn’t have the in-house talent to do it?”
Whenever we’re faced with a decision to buy or build, and we do not have the resources to buy, by default we must build. With the plethora of free information and free tools online, you may not be up and running in a week, but it is more than possible to build a capability over time. That said, let’s look at the absolute bare minimum you need for SEO.
That’s the skeleton, the table minimum of SEO for a business with absolutely nothing. It will not rocket you to the top of the charts for popular search terms. It will not dramatically change your business overnight. But if you follow it rigorously and you create content that helps your audience fulfill their needs, you will gain some benefit from SEO.
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You Ask, I Answer: Barebones SEO for Small Business
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In today’s you ask, I answered Julie asks How can a small business approach SEO when it doesn’t have the budget to hire an agency and doesn’t have the in house talent to do it,
whenever we’re faced with a decision about by or built, we and we don’t have the resources to buy by default, we have to build right, you have
to build the talent in house because you can’t afford the the service from a third party that with the enormous amounts of free information and free tools online, it may not be up and running in a week. But it is more than possible to build an SEO capability in house over time.
Now,
let’s talk about what that looks like. What is the bare minimum that a small business or businesses does not have the resources needs for SEO, with the caveat with the warning that the bare minimum is not going to rock you to the top of the search charts, it’s not going to, you know, drive millions of people to your website, like magic overnight, it will not happen, right? the bare minimum is just what you need to do to show up at all in search for relevant terms, and, and essentially not get completely wiped out by your competitors. So what are the things you need to do? Number one, you need to understand your space. And there’s three things to do in understanding of space. First, use free keyword tools, there’s one by called Uber suggests that’s good enough, you know, some of its data, we’re not 100% sure how it’s derived, but directionally, it seems right. And from what I’ve checked with more expensive paid tools, it’s not bad. So use free use free tools, like Uber suggests, to figure out the words and phrases and concepts that you should be competing for. So if you’re a coffee shop, you should be looking at things like coffee shop near me, and coffee shop in Boston, or wherever you’re located, and the different types of beings you carry, and all that stuff. So you want to understand your space, build that map with the tool, you can export, you know, dozens or hundreds of keywords, and build out a a conceptual calendar, or conceptual map of your space. Second, keep your eye on what’s trending with tools like Twitter, and Facebook is trending topics in in these platforms. There’s news, Google News is another great place to
to look at Google Trends, the front page of Google Trends, all these are great places to just keep in touch with what your industry is talking about what your people what your fans are talking about. And understand that that those are things that you probably should be creating content about. If people are talking about it, and it’s relevant to you, you should have something on your site about it. And then the third is understanding the events in your space. If you have a major conference, a major event in your space, or several of them, you should know when they occur, you should have in advance, like some comfort conferences that start advertising the day after the previous one to end. So you know, in advance when it’s going to happen, you know, what you should be doing leading up to those things, once you have all that information, build it out as a quarterly content calendar, hey, this week, we’re going to tackle this This week, we’re going to tackle this and you’re going to write content based on your point of view about all these different things kind of welded together. The most important thing to do with content is to fulfill the intent of the searcher in your content. So if you know your customers, which you should, regardless of business size, and you know, what they want, which you should, regardless of business, is that when you create that content, you create it with an IDE with answering all of their questions. So if someone is searching for a coffee shop, vegan friendly coffee shop, what are they searching for a while, they’re obviously searching for, you know, a business that that offers vegan products. But what else you know about that person, you should you be serving them just coffee like, Hey, we’re eating coffee shop that also serves to vegan pastries. And or here’s how we certify that we that we all our products are vegan safe, so there’s an intent to those searches. Rand Fishkin over at spark Torah has written a lot about this really terrific blog to check in on
then, once you’ve got your stuff, and you’ve posted it to your website, try to post one thing a week, one article one point of view, if you use a tool like Uber suggests, it’s going to spit out dozens, possibly hundreds of different search terms. And yes, some of them will be semantically related together. But conceptually, you’re going to have stuff that is going to be different and unique. And even if you never use the advanced tools like predictive analytics and stuff to figure out
timing, you still will have a decent amount of stuff to write content about. So try
to post something every week,
you want to use analytics, Google Analytics and Google Search Console and big Bing webmaster tools to measure your progress. What are people finding your website for?
And is it relevant, and if it is great,
do more of the stuff that’s working, use those tools to report on what’s working and what’s not. And finally, invest in yourself, Train yourself, read blogs by stone, temple consulting, mas, RF, sem rush, search engine, land search engine, watch the Google Webmasters blog, read the industry content, because it will tell you what’s going on in the search industry. Again, all that stuff is free. Everything we’ve talked about from top to bottom cost zero dollars, if you don’t have the time for SEO, make the time, make the time, shorten your lunch, come into work half an hour earlier, stay Half an hour later, work from home, do whatever you have to do to get yourself skilled up on SEO and doing the basics. Even if the company itself doesn’t necessarily appreciate or value these things might be time to change companies if that’s the case. But even if that’s the case,
you’re investing in yourself, as a marketer, as a practitioner to build these skills so that wherever you work Next, you will have the ability to bring that to the table.
So again, this is the skeleton This is the table minimum of SEO stuff that you can do for a business with absolutely nothing. Now, like I said at the beginning, this will not rocket you to the top of the charts. For popular search terms, you have no chance of competing if you’re going to do the minimum of a winning and your search results for for popular short form terms, it’s not going to dramatically change your business overnight, millions people are not going to show up on your website tomorrow. If you’ve put up a new article, you may want to tell your C suite that as a as a precaution. But if you follow this rigorously, if you do your research, if you build a calendar, if you execute a plan, if you publish something new every week that helps your audience fulfill their needs, and what they’re interested in, you will gain benefit from SEO. And the more you do it, the longer you do it, the more you benefit in your first year, you’re not going to do much right, you’ll have only posted 50 weeks of content, 50 different pieces of content. But compound that over time over a year, two years, five years, 10 years. When you get to the 10 year mark, and you’ve got 500 pieces of content on your site that is relevant to what your audience wants, you’re going to get
significant search benefit. Obviously, the more stuff you make that’s relevant at a at a faster pace, the faster you’ll gain benefit from from SEO,
but if you do the minimum one new thing of anything a week you will be on the journey you’ll be starting out the journey and that’s how you approach it when you don’t have the budget. And when you don’t have the talent, you become the talent and you create the platform for which you build your search your eventual search dominance. Great question Julia. As always, please subscribe to the newsletter into the YouTube channel and we’ll talk to you soon. Take care
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