Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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    What’s On My Mind: Marketing’s Extinction Level Event

    This week, as we start to wind down the year fully, let’s talk about a meta-trend that’s been in progress for the last couple of years and is going to accelerate in the year ahead. I wrote about this early this month but want to really expand on it as its own thing, a content crash of sorts.

    Part 1: A World of Infinite Content On Demand

    Marketing as we know it is going extinct.

    Yeah, that’s a bold statement, but the reality is that generative AI has only begun to impact marketing, and we’re doing really dumb stuff with it, compared to what we can do, and what we’ll be able to do.

    Imagine the world two years from now; it’s the holiday season of 2026. Close your eyes, or slap on your augmented reality glasses, or whatever.

    It’s your family’s holiday dinner. As everyone sits down to eat, you open your phone, tap on the music app of your choice, and a chatbot starts talking.

    • AI: “Hey Chris, how can I help?”
    • You: “We’re about to sit down for a nice holiday meal. Put on some background holiday music for me.”
    • AI: “Sure thing. How long?”
    • You: “Oh, about an hour.”

    In less than 60 seconds, holiday background music starts. It’s nothing terribly distracting or compelling, and it’s pleasant to listen to. There’s something about chestnuts and snowflakes and family, and it’s all good. You enjoy your meal.

    Meanwhile, the music provider of choice has filled the hour with generated music that’s curated to your tastes, to the kind of music you enjoy, from chord progressions to tempo to lyrics. It’s custom-built for you. Conveniently, it’s also royalty-free for the music provider, so they don’t need to pay any royalties. There’s an occasional, tasteful ad read out by an inoffensive voice for some local car dealership, but otherwise, it’s very much like a Hallmark movie.

    After dinner, you sit down in front of the TV. Some folks fall asleep immediately, having eaten too much or enjoyed too much wine. For the rest of you, you turn on the TV and a chatbot pops up.

    • AI: “Hi Chris, what are you in the mood to watch?”
    • You: “Oh, let’s have a Hallmark-style feel good holiday movie. Show me some options?”
    • AI: “Sure. Since you’ve been on a true crime podcast spree lately, how about a Hallmark movie about a big city detective who returns to her country hometown and finds herself in love with a serial killer?”
    • You: “That sounds great. Make it sapphic, and we’re good to go.”
    • AI: “No problem. Your movie will be ready in five minutes. Now would be a great time to get some popcorn and also to listen to a few messages from our sponsors.”

    In a few minutes, you start watching the movie. It’s sappy, it’s hilarious, occasionally gory, and exactly what you asked for. The evening ends and everyone heads to bed.

    Now, to some people, this might be a dystopian nightmare. To others, it might be heaven on earth. But regardless of extremes, a future in which consumers – you and me – can have exactly the content we want, when we want it, is very, very near.

    We’re already there with music. Tools like Suno let you generate reasonably okay music today. It’s not great. It’s not going to win a Grammy. Sometimes it does things hilariously wrong, but for the most part, it does a decent job with the tasks you give it – and your content is ready in seconds.

    For fun, I used Google’s Gemini to turn a landing page of our website into a Gregorian chant. And then Suno made the Gregorian chant audio. Is it amazing? Yeah, it’s different, that’s for sure. But it was content on demand. I didn’t have to wait more than a couple of minutes for it to be ready.

    We’re well past there with text. Today’s AI models are capable of cranking out entire books in minutes. While many people use them at small scale, like writing an email or a blog post, today’s language models can generate entire working pieces of software and very, very long form content.

    Last night, I was talking to a friend who’s just getting her video editing business off the ground. She said, “Oh, I don’t have a master service agreement or a scope or work template or this or that thing.” I sat down with Google’s Gemini and with some careful prompting, I built her a 29 page starter pack of all the templates and forms she’d need, encouraging her to get human lawyer review once she has some revenue to pay for it. We are well past content on demand on the text side.

    On the marketing side of things, folks will just go to a tool like Google Gemini’s Deep Research, plug in a prompt like “My company is about to start the search for a new CRM vendor. I’ve been put in charge of doing research into CRM vendors. Here are the requirements I was given. It has to be cheap: less than $200 per month in TOTAL for 5 users. It must be flexible, having marketing automation and CRM features. It must be extensible, with tons of integrations and its own API. It must be secure. It must be fast and lightweight. It must be easily administered. The company is okay with self hosting if it’s easy and a low lift. I need a list of vendors that meet these requirements and detailed explanations.” and the AI tool will spit out a comprehensive report and conclusion in less than 3 minutes based on a couple hundred different websites.

    This is what a world of infinite content on demand looks like. Any content you want, machines will generate it for you when you want it, exactly how you want it, in the format you specify.

    What’s notably absent from these scenarios? Us. Marketers, I mean. Other than a few ad spots here and there, there’s no opportunity for us to be participants in any of these AI-mediated interactions.

    Marketing has been cut out of the picture in a world where generative AI can make you anything you want.

    Part 2: The Marketers’ AI Folly

    Meanwhile… what are we doing? What marketers are doing is the worst possible thing: more of what already doesn’t work well.

    In study after study and survey after survey, what’s the #1 use case for generative AI in marketing?

    Yup. Making more marketing content. And not just any marketing content, but the corporate dreck we’ve been serving up for decades. More blog posts. More whitepapers. More emails. More of everything that, if we’re honest, we would never consume if it weren’t part of our jobs.

    When Google’s NotebookLM came out, what did marketers get really excited about? The audio overviews feature. Why? It made good quality, low effort audio summaries of content, which some folks began to use as podcasts.

    Why? It’s basic human nature combined with toxic corporate cultures that constantly shout at us to do more with less, to cut corners, to ship faster regardless of quality. You can have an instant podcast that doesn’t sound like garbage with no effort? Great!

    The same tools that give consumers the ability to generate infinite content on demand are in the hands of marketers doing exactly that – creating infinite content on demand. And as with any market, when supply vastly exceeds demand, the “price” of the supply drops like a rock.

    What’s the “price”?

    Attention.

    While marketing content scales to infinity, attention for marketing content gets more and more fragmented. You’re already experiencing this. You’re trying to juggle which of the dozen social networks you should be posting content to. Does this belong on Threads, Bluesky, or the network formerly known as Twitter? Should we put it on LinkedIn? What about Tiktok? Snapchat still exists, what about there?

    You know the feeling. We all do. We’re all trying to figure out how to capture and hold onto ever-faster decaying attention – and the generative tools that will empower consumers to create custom content on demand will further erode our ability to reach them, because they will have less time for us.

    That’s logical, isn’t it? If you have a machine that spits out content that makes you deliriously happy because you’re getting exactly what you want, why would you even bother with content that you didn’t have tailor-made for you?

    So we’re really running into infinite supply and DECLINING demand. That’s not going to go well for us.

    Part 3: What The Heck Do We Marketers Do?

    So far, this is a fairly bleak picture for marketing – hence why I started out saying that marketing as we know it is headed for extinction.

    What are we supposed to do as consumers (B2B and B2C, because even in B2B, the decision makers are still human for now) use AI to tune us out even more?

    Here’s the fundamental question to ask, one that I batted around with Katie this week on our podcast: where aren’t marketers?

    What aren’t marketers doing that our audiences might want?

    Here’s a few thought starters for you.

    • Actual communities. Marketers toss around the word community a lot, even though mentally in their heads, they’re really thinking ‘audience’ or ‘prospects’. What would it look like to create, curate, or manage communities on behalf of the people you serve, even if there’s almost no legitimate business interest save sponsorship and branding? For example, suppose you learn through effective market research that your B2B marketing audience is made almost entirely of Celine Dion fans.
      • What would it look like to maintain something like a Discord server for that group of people, with resources devoted to it such as budget and staffing, to build a thriving community that has only infrequent sponsorship mentions?
    • Physical goods. There’s a strong market for retro, vintage, physical goods, even in content itself. For folks who want to take a step back from the always on, always plugged in world, things like print on demand magazines can resonate.
      • What would it look like to have your best content available in limited edition physical format that customers might even buy? Is your content good enough to merit a printed publication that someone would pay money for?
    • True AI agents. As agentic AI continues to evolve and become more powerful, AI agents capable of performing very complex tasks are becoming more commonplace. Marketers’ natural thoughts might leap to sellers’ agents that help sell things more efficiently to customers, but what about building bespoke buyers’ agents that can help customers do better market research, understand problems more thoroughly, even perform complex functions well outside your business interests?
      • What would it look like to have an AI agent exchange where people could pick up interactive agents and talk with them about anything? Can you imagine an AI agent, sponsored by you, that helps a customer bake a cake in realtime or another task that you know is of strong interest and alignment to your customers, even if it’s not part of your service offering?
      • I saw the other day a friend on Facebook asking if anyone knew any good algebra tutors in their area, and I couldn’t help but think that you could stand up an agent like that in minutes with good prompting and data.
    • Media companies. We’ve said for a long time now that every company needs to become a media company, to find ways to be the source of media for our audiences and customers. That’s never been more true than today. Google is keeping more clicks for itself than ever before. Social networks by and lareg stopped sending unpaid traffic a long time ago. Inboxes are overflowing. If you want to be heard, if you want that most scarce of resources – attention – you have to provide media that customers really want, and not just marketing content.
      • Think back to the old days of media, from the 1930s to the 1960s. What did companies do with new media channels? They found ways to create and produce incredible media. Even today, Michelin – the tire company – is the gold standard for restaurants and chefs with its Michelin Guide and Michelin stars for chefs.
      • Take, for example, any cancelled show that has a strong following in your audience. If your enterprise has enough budget, what would it look like to work with the IP rights holders and sponsor more of that content, especially as generative AI tools become ever more capable?

    What’s clear is this: marketing will not thrive in an environment where consumers have infinite options for excluding marketing content. We often say as part of our marketing strategy that we need to market where the audience is, and for the most part, marketing is failing miserably at that. Not because we’re not marketing in the physical or logical places where audiences are, but because the content we’re providing isn’t where their minds and hearts are.

    It’s like showing up at a Red Sox game wearing Yankees gear. You’re technically in the right place, but you have exactly none of what the audience wants and they resent you for it.

    I frequently say that AI is an amplifier. To paraphrase from the Captain America movie, it makes the good into better and makes the bad into worse. AI will amplify what’s already there, so if you’re not serving your audience well now, AI will cause you to serve your audience even worse, at a faster pace, and at much greater scale. Instead of a dozen blog posts no one reads, AI will help you make a thousand blog posts no one reads.

    Here’s the good news. Figuring out what your audience wants is as simple as asking them. Talking to them. Listening to them. Watching what they do, where they spend their time, what interests them as whole individuals, not just walking wallets you can pick. And if you execute on a strategy of using all the tools and talent at your disposal – including AI – you’ll serve them better, make them happier, increase their satisfaction and loyalty, and probably do more business with them than ever before.

    Part 4: Immediate Next Steps

    As we get ready to flip the calendars to 2025, here’s a recipe for you to follow, should you want to pursue the avenue of serving customers with what they want.

    First, strongly consider a focus group of your best customers to ask them questions like where else they spend their time, what their needs and pain points are both at work and outside of work.

    Once you have that basic qualitative information, run a survey to quantify that information with the rest of your customer base, to learn what their priorities are and what they really want.

    Based on those answers, build an AI-enabled Ideal Customer Profile that you can use with the generative AI tool of your choice to have always-on access to your customers’ mindset. Incorporate all the qualitative and quantitative data you gathered in the first two steps.

    Next, sit down with your team and decide, based on what you’ve heard from real customers, what things you can realistically tackle. Armed with your AI-enabled ICP, sit down with your team to brainstorm and prioritize potential initiatives. Focus on experiences that blend the digital and physical realms, foster genuine human connection, and address the challenges and opportunities of the ‘infinite content’ world.

    Consider the growing desire for ‘retro’ experiences, limited physical goods, and opportunities to disconnect. Use your AI-enabled ICP as a sounding board, asking it questions like, ‘Which of these initiatives would resonate most with my ideal customer?’ or ‘What are the potential pitfalls of this idea, from the perspective of my ideal customer?’ Select three ideas to pilot, prioritizing those that can deliver measurable results quickly and aiming to have something live by the end of the first quarter of 2025.

    Example Pilot Projects:

    • Launch a private online community for your best customers, facilitated by a carefully trained team of human moderators (combined with excellent platform AI, like AutoMod in Discord) that can answer questions, spark discussions, and foster genuine connections.
    • Create a limited-edition physical product that comes with a unique digital code that unlocks an exclusive AR experience.
    • Test a real-time, AI-powered tour guide for your city, offering a unique hybrid experience.

    Then rinse and repeat. Treat this as an ongoing process. Continuously gather feedback, refine your understanding of your customers, and iterate on your initiatives.

    The key thing to remember is that generative AI tools give you far greater capabilities than you’ve ever had before. Generative AI tools will permit customers to create infinite content on demand, but that will still, at least in the near term, require effort on behalf of the customers.

    And people often prefer that you do it for them versus doing it themselves, if given a choice with comparable costs. That’s your window of opportunity, to seize the reins of AI tools to be the provider of what your customers want so they don’t have to – and in return, keeping their attention and loyalty.

    And of course, in that spirit, if that’s something you want help with, Trust Insights is happy to help you with it.

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  • Mind Readings: Analytics, AI, and the Three Whats

    Mind Readings: Analytics, AI, and the Three Whats

    In today’s episode, you’ll learn the secret to transforming your reporting from data vomit into actionable insights โ€“ no matter your industry or role. You’ll discover the power of the “three whats”: What happened? So what? Now what? You’ll also learn how generative AI can help you unlock the true potential of your data and drive meaningful change within your organization. Tune in to level up your reporting game!

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    In today’s episode, let’s review some Analytics 101 stuff when it comes to reporting. How do you create great reporting for your company, for your job, no matter your role? Whether you’re in marketing, HR, or finance, whether you work in telecommunications, healthcare, or plasticsโ€”whatever the case.

    There are three questions your reports should answer. We call them the three whats:

    • What happened?
    • So what?
    • Now what?

    Over the last few months, as I’ve been attending conferences and trade shows, people still have a lot to say about analyticsโ€”and they should. It’s a field that hasn’t gone anywhere. It’s gotten overshadowed by AI, but it’s still relevant. However, it’s harder to do good work in analytics because of data issues.

    Fundamentally, the three whats are the backbone of good analytics, of good reporting. “What happened?” literally means what was the result? How did the result happen? You got 40% more visitors to your website. Your call center volumes dropped 26%. Whatever the thing is from a quantitative perspective, or even a qualitative perspective, you want to be able to explain what happened.

    The second what is “So what?” What does this mean? What are the implications? What are the unintended consequences? What are the second and third-order effects? Website traffic was down 29%. So what? Did we lose good prospects, or did we discourage looky-loos? What caused that? Why did those things happen? If “what happened” is the what, “so what” is almost the why. Why are we looking at this data? Why does it matter? Why should we consider it?

    And then the third one is “Now what?” What are you going to do about it? Okay, website traffic was down 29%, and it was a reasonably important part of our audience because our conversions dropped. Now what? What are we going to do about it to steer towards the outcome we want and avoid things we don’t want? What’s the plan we’re going to build? What does that look like step by step?

    This is the basic template for doing good reporting. In an ideal situation, you would spend 20โ€“25% of the time on “what happened,” maybe 20โ€“25% on “so what,” and then 50% or more on “now what”โ€”what are you going to do about it? The reality is most people, 95% of their reports, are “what happened,” and there’s a tiny bit of “so what,” and if you’re lucky, there’s a “now what,” but often there isn’t.

    I was looking back at some reporting I created about 10 years ago at my old job. I know it was data vomit. It was like, “Oh, here’s all the numbers and all the charts. Look how cool our visualizations are.” It was a whole bunch of “what happened.” There was no “so what.” There was no “now what.” It was just peeking data, which has its place if you’re just trying to cover your butt, but it doesn’t advance things. It doesn’t make things happen. It doesn’t define next steps.

    Part of the reason is that people are overwhelmed and trying to get the report done. They’re not thinking ahead to what this information means. The good news is this: if you’ve done the hard work of analyzing “what happened,” and perhaps have a good sense of “so what,” or at least there’s something in the data that leads you to that, then you can use tools like generative AI to help you with the “now what.”

    Say, “Here’s what happened. Here’s the so what. Here’s the reason why we think this happened. What do we do about it? What’s our plan? Help me devise a strategy, some tactics, an execution method, and a timeline. Help me measure it.”

    Today, people are using generative AI tools in some of the silliest ways possible. Yes, you can use generative AI to write blog posts, but that’s like taking a Harrier to the grocery store. You can do that, but it is capable of way more. It is exactly the kind of thing you would want to use in your analyticsโ€”not to do the analysis, but to explain what we should do next, to flesh out the “now what.” That’s where you provide value as a subject matter expert, but that’s also where AI can connect the dots and help you see the things you missed.

    So take these three whats as part of Analytics 101. Take your data. Feed it to a generative AI tool of your choice: ChatGPT, Anthropic Claude, Google Geminiโ€”it doesn’t matter. With good prompting and your data, have it go through the three whats with you. Have a conversation with it. Ultimately, have it build a report that is 20% “what happened,” 20% “so what,” and 60% “now what.” You will generate better reports. You will generate higher quality work. You will move your company’s business forwardโ€”whatever you’re making a report forโ€”it will be better if you follow this process.

    That’s going to do it for today’s episode. Thanks for tuning in. Talk to you on the next one. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already. If you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.

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  • Mind Readings: The Gold Standard of Marketing Attribution

    Mind Readings: The Gold Standard of Marketing Attribution

    In today’s episode, you’ll discover the gold standard of attribution for marketers in an age of increasing privacy concerns. You’ll learn why traditional tracking methods are becoming less reliable and explore a powerful, yet often overlooked, alternative: simply asking your audience how they found you. I’ll explain how this straightforward approach, combined with the capabilities of generative AI, can provide invaluable insights into your marketing effectiveness. Get ready to unlock a treasure trove of actionable data that can transform your marketing strategy!

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    In today’s episode, let’s put AI aside for just a little bit and talk about attribution and the gold standard of attribution. It is no secret that for marketers, attribution is getting a lot more difficult. You have things like ad blockers, just blocking our tracking capabilities, consent banners saying users must consent to being tracked, and of course, users are saying no. Sensibly saying, “No, I don’t wantโ€”I don’t consent to you following me all over the web.”

    You have privacy proxies like Apple’s private proxy, where tracking is obscured and bounced through Apple’s servers, and you have no idea where someone’s coming from. Secure browsers like Brave and Firefox, where tracking scripts are just not being loaded at all.

    So, what’s a marketer to do in a situation like this? Well, there’s one form of attribution that is immune to all of this, and it’s free. And it’s really good. And you could be using it today. You want to know what it is?

    Combined with the power of generative AIโ€”because I got to work that in here somewhereโ€”combined with the power of generative AI, this is the best source of attribution data you could ever ask for today, tomorrow, 100 years from now. And it is: ask people. Ask people, “How did you hear about us? What made you come in today? What inspired you to stop by? When was the first time you heard about us? Did you attend any of our things?”

    Wherever you have intake, leave people the opportunity to just tell you in their own words. So, no stupid dropdown saying, “Oh, I found you at the research end.” Nope. Leave people a plain text box or a voicemail box, or some way for them to tell you how they heard about you, to tell you what motivated them to come in today.

    Collect that data. And then on the back end, use a tool like generative AI to categorize and normalize the responses. Because, yeah, you’re going to get all sorts of crazy responses in there. Generative AI can clean that up.

    Why is this so important? You’re not going to get everyone, but you’re going to get the people who are most motivated and probably have the strongest commercial intent to answer the question. And that’s the sample of the audience that is useful to you as a marketer to figure out, “How do I market better? Where should I be marketing? What should I be doing in my marketing to attract new customers?”

    If you’re using free form inputs plus generative AI to clean them up, you are going to get much better information than any number of tracking cookies because those can be hijacked. The reality is this: there is no substitute for just asking people, and there’s no better way to collect data because, by definition, people are consenting to that tracking information. So, they’re giving it to you. You have implicit and explicit consent. “Hey, I’m telling you, here’s how I found you.”

    Ask people, and then use AI to clean up the answers. That’s how you do attribution today. That’s how you can do attribution in the future. And that is how you can do attribution that is 100% compliant with any law, any regulation about tracking data when people volunteer the information to you.

    That’s going to do it for today’s episode. Thanks for tuning in. I’ll talk to you soon. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already. And if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.

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  • Mind Readings: Most Analytics Data is Wasted

    Mind Readings: Most Analytics Data is Wasted

    In today’s episode, we’re diving deep into the often overlooked truth of analytics โ€“ the vast majority are unused and unactionable. You’ll learn why “analytics without action is distraction” and how this mindset shift can revolutionize your approach to data. Discover the transformative power of generative AI in making your data-driven customer journey not just insightful, but actionable. Tune in to unlock the full potential of your analytics and turn insights into impactful decisions.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about analytics, because this past week I’ve been on the road talking a lot about analytics.

    And here’s the uncomfortable reality.

    A lot of analytics data serves no purpose.

    It doesn’t matter.

    This is something that my CEO and co-founder Katie Robert and I have been discussing for years, and that’s actually the origin of the title of our live stream, our Thursday live stream called So What? The Marketing Analytics Insights Live Show.

    Katie routinely asks me, so what? Whenever I present something, you’re like, hey, look at this cool new chart or this API that I wrote or this, that, or the other thing.

    She’s like, yeah, so what? What am I supposed to do with this? Not in a mean way, not in a disrespectful way, but in a very realistic way.

    Like, what is the value? What problem does this solve? And a lot of analytics doesn’t solve a problem.

    A lot of analytics analysis in general is almost a solution in search of a problem, because you’ve got data and you need to make something with that data.

    So you make something that no one asked for, right? I was putting together a presentation.

    In fact, I’m going to be giving the presentation as I record this the next day on building a data-driven customer journey.

    Now, this is a talk that I did in 2016 at Inbound.

    I updated it for a talk I gave in Poland, and now I’ve revamped the entire thing, because hello, generative AI changed everything.

    And when I did the revamp of the 2019 talk, I realized that there was so much emphasis on how predictor analytics works and how data-driven analytics works and all this stuff.

    There was no so what.

    It’s like, okay, at the end of this, you’ve got your data-driven customer journey, and what are we supposed to do with it? It’s great.

    It looks great.

    The data flows from stage to stage.

    You can see exactly where in the funnel things have gone wrong, but it’s pointless.

    Now, to be fair, there are situations where just this data alone has a function.

    In, say, risk-averse corporate cultures, there is tremendous value in having data that shows, hey, here’s everything that’s happening with the data.

    You can see what’s happening with the lower sales number ain’t my fault.

    It is a cover-your-backside piece of data.

    That slide is like a shield, and the manager’s hiding behind, deflecting blame for poor performance.

    That is a fair and valid use case for analytics, but generally, what we say, what I say a lot, is analytics without action is distraction.

    Analytics without action is distraction.

    If you’ve got the analysis and you don’t do anything with it, it really didn’t do anything.

    It really didn’t help.

    Maybe you found it insightful.

    Maybe you found it interesting to look at, but if you don’t change what you’re going to do, it doesn’t have a point.

    Seth Godin used to say years and years ago, if you’re not going to change what you eat or how you exercise, don’t bother getting on a scale.

    You’re not going to change anything.

    So what’s the point? And there’s a lot of truth to that.

    So I sat there with my deck and I was like, okay, well, what am I going to do then? How can I make this data-driven customer journey more actionable, more useful? And then in a flash of the blindingly obvious, I realized the answer, well, an answer, is generative AI.

    Generative AI can provide a lot of those answers and recommended actions.

    So let’s say your data-driven customer journey says that you’ve got your weakest point of conversion is between prospects and marketing qualified leads.

    You just can’t get prospects to become marketing qualified leads.

    You’ve got your requested demo page up and it’s just not working.

    What do you do? Well, you don’t just show your stakeholder the chart.

    You take a screenshot of your requested demo page and feed it into Google Bar or ChatGPT or whatever and say, you are a UI UX expert.

    You know what makes people convert.

    You know page layout, design, color theory, psychology of conversion.

    And here’s the page.

    Critique it.

    Tell me what I’ve done wrong.

    And it will spit out a long list of everything that you’ve done wrong with that page.

    Now you’ve got a plan of action.

    Now there’s a so what.

    The so what is, this could be better.

    This sucks and it could be better.

    Suppose that you’ve got a customer retention metric, right? Retention of customers and how loyal they are.

    And you don’t know why it’s going down.

    What do you do? Go into your call center, go into your customer service inbox, pull all the customer feedback out, condense it down into a large file that can be analyzed by a language model and say, give me the top five reasons that people love us.

    Give me the top five people, reasons people hate us.

    Give me three things that we need to fix.

    And it will do that.

    It will crunch the data and spit out recommendations based on what you’ve given it to summarize.

    And you can take action on that, right? You can bring it to life.

    You can answer the, so what, what does this mean? Hey, our, our, our customer service ratings are down.

    Okay.

    Well, what are we going to do about it? We are going to fix the X, Y, and Z that will, that kick starts the process of getting people to take action, getting people to do something with their data.

    You can have reams of data, right? Google analytics generates enough data to fill a library by itself.

    What do you do with it? The answer is you feed the relevant data points into generative AI and say, help me understand some possible options.

    Give me some options.

    Give me some ideas about how to fix this problem.

    And that gets you away from the blank page of what do I do to, okay, well, we can work with this or we can adapt this idea.

    Well, that idea won’t work with our company, but it gives me an idea to do this.

    It jump starts actions or converts analytics into action.

    So the key takeaway here is, okay, doing the data driven customer journey and all the governance that comes with that is important.

    You should do it.

    But it should be paired with generative AI to better know what you’re going to do with the findings.

    If things are good, how do you make them better? If things are bad, how do you keep it from getting worse? That’s the power of a data driven customer journey paired with generative AI as your expert advisor on your marketing strategy.

    Thanks for tuning in.

    We’ll talk to you next time.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Google Analytics 4 Up and Running?

    You Ask, I Answer: Google Analytics 4 Up and Running?

    Andrew asks, “Hi Chris – dare I ask about Google Analytics 4? Do you think people are making necessary effort to get it up and running?”

    In today’s episode, I discuss the crucial topic of Google Analytics 4 and the lack of effort people are putting into getting up and running with it. With just a few weeks left until July 1st, many websites will soon lose access to current data, despite Google’s clear recommendation to transition to GA4. The impact will be felt in two ways: data synchronization issues and the potential loss of valuable historical data. This will become especially problematic when businesses need to compare year-over-year data or comply with regulatory requirements. I delve into the challenges and offer solutions, emphasizing the importance of data blending and proper preparation. If you’re struggling with GA4 setup, visit trustinsights.ai/contact for assistance. Don’t miss out on this vital information – hit that subscribe button now!

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    In today’s episode, Andrew asks, Hi, Chris Dara asked about Google Analytics 4, do you think people are making necessary effort to get up and running? Nope.

    No, they’re not.

    And this is going to come back to people in a couple of different ways.

    The first and most obvious one is yes, as of July one, which is, as I record this, like 26 days away, there will be a whole bunch of websites will suddenly no longer have current data, right? They’ll go into their Google Analytics and go hmm, this, there’s no need for new information after June 30.

    Like, yep, Google’s been telling you for two and a half years, that GA four is the way to go.

    That’s the first and most obvious thing, hey, is thanks to stop working.

    I was talking to my martial arts teacher about that the other day, I moved his account over two years ago, because that’s the job of a student is to help the teacher.

    Second Impact you’re going to see is data.

    It’s not a synchronization, but as your data is going to drift out of sync.

    And here’s why.

    When you turn on Google Analytics, 4, it does not bring over your old data, your old data stays in the old system.

    And Google has said, as of January 120 24, they may they may turn off Universal Analytics entirely.

    Well, that’s kind of problematic if you need back data, and you just turned on Google Analytics 4.

    Today or yesterday, you have year over year data Beginning today, right? The day you turn it on as the day the first day next year, you will have your over your data.

    So you would have to rely on your Universal Analytics data.

    Until that point, well, that could be kind of problematic, right? Suppose it’s June 4 2024.

    And you want to do year over year.

    And Google deleted it.

    All right, that’s kind of a problem.

    This is even going to bite people in fourth quarter, third, and fourth quarter of this year, when again, they go to do their year over year, you know, strategic marketing planning, everybody huddled up in a conference room after Labor Day is like, okay, let’s plan our marketing for the next year.

    Oh, let’s look at our last year’s where the data, you go into Google Analytics 4 and go, Oh, we only have three months of data.

    And then you’re like, Well, hey, we can use the Universal Analytics data.

    But then how do we merge this all together? So people are gonna get real good at data blending, export of your old data, data blending and stuff like that.

    And, you know, there’s basic ways to do that, like, you know, just doing an Excel spreadsheets, but that’s really inefficient.

    And it makes it very difficult to ask questions of your data.

    So there’s going to be a lot of challenges for companies in that regard.

    And then the third area, and this is something we talked about recently on the Trust Insights, live stream is regulatory, for highly regulated industries, that are required to keep data for seven years, whatever, it’s not going to go over real well, when Google just deletes all that data in 2024, right.

    So companies would need to download their data and in a format that auditors will accept and be able to present to auditors in some fashion a form and retain it for a few years until the they’ve retained it for the conditions of the audit.

    And so yeah, people are not making the necessary effort to get up and running.

    And even in the places where companies have they’ve not done a good job of it.

    I was working in one client instance, recently.

    And it was a mess.

    It was a mess.

    I saw I saw this this one example.

    I’m not going to give enough details out anyone here but whoever had done it in the past had didn’t clearly did not have experience with GTA four, and didn’t understand the new event model and did not understand how to think about the way GTA four stores data.

    And so they, they created a bunch of stuff that was largely unnecessary, and really inefficient and difficult to use.

    So no, people are not ready.

    Which is unfortunate, because I’ve had over the years since Google started warning people to get ready.

    And it’s going to be very difficult to fix this after the fact.

    So that’s the answer to that question.

    Now.

    Shameless plug time.

    If you need help, getting a GA for setup, go to trust insights.ai/contact.

    And let us know we will fix it for you.

    We will not be cheap, because as you can imagine our dance cards get pretty full.

    But if you’re in a bind, and you just want it done, let us know.

    Thanks for the question and talk to you next time.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Active Users in GA4?

    You Ask, I Answer: Active Users in GA4?

    Xian asks, “what is an inactive user in GA4?”

    According to the GA4 documentation, it’s:

    First visit or engaged session – the number of sessions that lasted 10 seconds or longer, or had 1 or more conversion events or 2 or more page or screen views.

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    In today’s episode, Shawn asks, what is an inactive user in Google Analytics 4? This is a pretty straightforward question answer it inactive users any user that’s not an active user, which begs the question, what is an active user? In the Google Analytics 4 documentation, Google makes pretty clear that active users is the baseline user measurement.

    When you see users in the application, anyone, the application has active users, and they define active users in two different ways.

    One is whether the session contains the first visit event meaning this user is has just come in, or two, it is an engaged session.

    And you then have to dig through a couple more pages of documentation to read that and engage session has the following definition.

    This is the session that lasts 10 seconds or more, or had one or more conversion events, or two or more page slash screen views.

    So if somebody shows up on your website, and looks at a page for like five seconds, and then leaves, didn’t scroll didn’t do anything, that would not fall into the category of an active user, that would be an inactive user, even though arguably that person was there.

    But they weren’t really active.

    This also means that there can be some variance from site to site, depending on what your conversion events are.

    So for example, some places will have a new user as conversion event that says whether you’re top of the funnel conversion, well, if you have a top of the funnel conversion event, and that happens, as soon as the person comes on, boom, they have an active user, right? Even if they haven’t done anything, if they’ve only been there, like two seconds, but they’re a new user.

    And it’s a conversion event that is an active user, whereas a site where that conversion event does not exist, that wouldn’t be an active user.

    So the question is, if you’re trying to do apples to apples, it can be tricky, depending on the conversion events that are set up.

    But that’s the basic answer.

    Now, one thing I want to add in here is that it’s important to discuss the the scopes of measurement, Google Analytics 4 are supposed to resolve this all by moving us entirely to event level scoping, but the reality is that we still use those event or page Mosie event scopes, the session scope, and then the user scope for different kinds of measurement.

    And a lot of the time, people don’t necessarily use the right scope for its intended purpose.

    In events scope, like a page view, or hit or screen, etc, is really good for measuring the number of times a piece of content was interacted with, or parts of the content or interacted with.

    So it’s it’s a content metric.

    The session is the period of time when somebody came in, did some stuff and then left, right.

    That is ideal for judging marketing effectiveness, what marketing channel brought in that session, whether or not they converted, you want to know what’s Martin Schultz bringing sessions in, bring people in to do stuff.

    And then the user, of course, is the best measure of how many human beings did a thing.

    But users are not a great marketing measurement, right? Because a person may come in, say the first contact is through email, right? If you are solely focused on the user, you’re kind of locked into, you know, the, the, the session, the source, the medium, the attribution for that user.

    And it’s usually tied to the first touch.

    We all know that first touch and or last touch attribution is not generally great, unless you are very, very transactional site where somebody comes in does thing leaves and they never come back.

    Okay, then it doesn’t really matter what attribution model you use.

    But for more complex things, where there’s multiple sessions, different things that can bring somebody back over and over again, webinars, ebooks, social media posts, YouTube videos, the session is the best use of measurement for judging marketing effectiveness.

    So I want to add that caveat in here, as we’re talking about what is an active user or an inactive user? The definition is important.

    So you understand how Google makes decisions.

    But it’s equally important to make sure that you’re using the right scope of measurement for the right outcome.

    If you care about counting human beings, like how many people did the thing, use users.

    If you care about which piece of content or part of content did perform the best, you should be using events.

    And if you’re trying to figure out marketing channel effectiveness, you should be using sessions.

    Anyway, it’s a great question.

    Thanks for asking.

    Talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Types of GA 4 Conversions?

    You Ask, I Answer: Types of GA 4 Conversions?

    Erin asks, “What kinds of conversions are best practices for tools like GA 4?”

    It depends on what kind of website you have, and what the things are that you want people to be doing. The general rule of thumb I use, I use a rule of thumb called the Five E’s, entrance, conversions, engagement conversions, evaluation, conversions, expression conversions, and exchange conversions.

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    In this episode, Aaron asks, what kinds of conversions are best practices? For tools like Google Analytics? 4? We get this question a lot.

    The answer is it depends.

    It depends on what kind of website you have, and what the things are that you want people to be doing.

    The general rule of thumb I use, I use a rule of thumb called the Five E’s, entrance, conversions, engagement conversions, evaluation, conversions, expression conversions, and exchange conversions.

    So let’s talk through each of these entrance conversions are those first touches, right? This is first visit new visitors, new users.

    The reason you want to have different goals throughout the buyers journey, and maybe even through the entire customer journey in Google Analytics 4 Is that the built in attribution modeling? Does its modeling based on the conversions you set up? If all you have is a purchase conversion, then you don’t have any visibility into all of the steps that people might take before converting? And the points that might at they why they might be getting hung up from point to point and you wait, you’d want to know, are there different audiences at each stage of the customer journey? And you can’t know this if you don’t have different conversion setup along the way.

    So entrance conversions? Are those first introductions, right? Somebody comes in, you want to know, is this a first visit for them? Are they a new user? What were the sources and mediums involved in that with a campaign? So entrance conversions would be my first category? My second category would be engagement conversions.

    So engagement conversions really are the things that you do to engage with a site, right? So these this is stuff like, read time, right? So how long does it take to do somebody doing stuff like consuming content, watching videos, downloading PDFs that are not not gated in any way, they’re, they demonstrate an audience’s interest in learning more about you, right? Scroll depth would be engagement conversion.

    The third layer is called evaluation conversions.

    Now, these are things that people do, because they’re evaluating you more seriously.

    Contact Form fills, requested demo, maybe newsletter subscriptions.

    Please call me book an appointment.

    Someone’s going through and start to evaluate your company they are evaluating whether they want to do business with you or not.

    Evaluating Conversions can also include certain specific sequences, like people visiting specific pages, like a pricing page, where you don’t really hang out on a pricing page unless you weren’t, you know, have some buying intent.

    So that would be the third bucket.

    The fourth bucket would be expression conversions.

    These are things that someone might do to, to express their interest in different ways, like clicking on a social share, clicking email this to a friend, something where an audience member is recommending you somehow.

    So clicking over to social media channel, clicking on share this podcast share this YouTube video, whatever the things that people can do to share stuff, again, you want to measure that and it needs to be discrete from other types of conversions.

    And the fifth one, of course, is exchange conversions.

    This is flat out commerce, right, you have bought something.

    You’ve signed an RFP, or an NDA or something that Google Analytics can see.

    Because it is web analytics software, but it really has very strong commercial intent, request a price quote, all of those exchange conversions.

    So that list entrance engagement, evaluation, expression, and exchange, are the five kinds of conversions I recommend people set up in any web analytics package doesn’t have to be just Google Analytics, any package of web analytics so that you can see what are people doing at each stage, how much is happening at each stage, and then you can measure percentage change from from one stage to the next.

    If you again, if you only measure conversions, you know, purchases and stuff, you’re gonna miss a lot of other things that you may not necessarily be able to to reverse engineer like, why are people not sharing our stuff? Why are people not engaging with our content? Why are people not watching our videos? You can’t know that from a conversion type this purely set to the very bottom of the funnel.

    You can only know that from measuring those specific activities and by measuring each stage in your customer journey with web analytics.

    You You can diagnose each state a lot more thoroughly.

    So those are the goals types that I generally recommend.

    Now, you can have different types of built in.

    So email link click PDFs, gated content and stuff, but they should each structurally fit in one of those five buckets, one of the five E’s so that’s that’s how I would get started.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: SaaS Lead Flow?

    You Ask, I Answer: SaaS Lead Flow?

    Vijay asks, “For a SaaS Product I have experienced lead flow is high on facebook but the conversion is very low as compare to Google Ads. What you say about Inbound/Outbound Ads – what would be the metrics that matter for results?”

    The key metrics to look at when determining whether Facebook or Google ads are more effective for lead generation are conversion rate and cost per acquisition. If Facebook leads are converting at a lower rate than Google leads, but they’re cheaper on a per-lead basis, then Facebook is still the better option.

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    In today’s episode, Vijay asks for SaaS product I’ve experienced lead flow is high on Facebook, but the conversion is very low as compared to Google ads, what do you say about inbound, outbound? And so it’d be the metrics that matter for results.

    There’s not really a difference in terms of metrics that matter for results, right? If you have a SaaS product, you have some kind of sign up, maybe it’s a free trial, maybe it’s a paid conversion, but you have some way of determining, yeah, somebody did the thing we want them to someone has signed on the line and bought the thing.

    If that’s the case, then it doesn’t really matter.

    Facebook, or Google ads, or Instagram, or LinkedIn or whatever, what you’re looking at, in terms of the key metrics is, did you get a conversion, right? Did somebody convert? And then was the quality of the conversion? Good.

    So your lead score, which, again, many SaaS companies have marketing automation software and CRM software that will enable that kind of lead scoring? And then what was your cost per acquisition? Right? What did it cost to get that lead? So it’s a it’s a balancing act? If, let’s say your leads are scored like academic rates, A, B, C, D, and F, right? F is a failing lead, this lead has no ability to buy anything.

    They’re, they’re worthless, right? And then A is like, Yeah, this is our perfect customer.

    They’re big spender.

    They’re going to be a longtime client, etc.

    The question is, what is your balancing line? Right? Clearly, nobody wants F’s, no one wants a bucket of F’s, right? And in abstract, everyone would love a bucket of A’s.

    But if a C costs 10, and an A costs1,000, the question is, is the return that you’re going to get worth that a or not right, if your product makes 100 bucks, then the C is worth it, right? Because you’re getting a C quality, so maybe every third lead is going to be good, but you’re paying effectively 30 bucks for a quality lead if one and three is good.

    But your product is, is 100 bucks, you’re gonna make a net of 70 bucks afterwards, right? On the other hand, if you’re paid 1000 bucks for that A, and you only get 100 bucks in revenue, you’ve lost 900.

    And so at that point, your lead quality and your lead cost of the things you have to balance and say, at what point is it no longer worth while using a particular lead source? Now in this scenario that you’re describing, if your lead flow is high, and your conversions are low for Facebook, then it sounds like Facebook’s lead quality is not great.

    The question you have to ask is, what are you paying? If you’re paying1 A conversion on Facebook and you’re paying 2 A conversion effectively in Google ads, then yeah, even the quality is terrible, you’re still better off with Facebook in that instance, if on the other hand, it’s the reverse then stick to Google ads.

    One of the challenges that people run into with analytics is that they take each number sort of in its own right out of context.

    And the business decisions that we have to make are typically a lot more complicated than a single number.

    If it’s just cranking out wrong number of leads, that’s, that’s not great.

    If it is just cranking out super high quality leads, regardless of cost, that’s also potentially not great, we need to have that big picture context of here is, here’s the trade offs we are willing to make.

    I think that’s the best way to put here the trade offs we’re willing to make, we are willing to accept C leads at10 instead of a leads at $1,000.

    Because the profit margins dictate that if we want to be profitable, who want to make money on a sale, we have to do X, one of the things that I’ve seen companies choose to do and

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    it’s questionable whether it’s a good idea or not, depending on the business is do loss leader stuff, and say we’re going to spend a whole bucket of money on acquisition and growth and hope that people stick with us and hope that people, you know, pay off in the long term that the lifetime value of a lead is higher than the acquisition cost.

    And then, you know, maybe the first year’s value if you’re banking on a five year value from that lead.

    If you don’t have that data or the data to support it can be very risky as a strategy.

    So that’s what I would say about these different kinds of ads and comparing them and looking at the metrics you have to look At the basket of metrics, you have to look at the the net profitability from any given channel and say, What is the cost of this business? What is the revenue of this business? And is it ultimately positive because no matter how you slice it, if you’re spending more than you’re making, eventually you’re going out of business, it might not be tomorrow, but eventually that catches up with you.

    If on the other hand, you’re making money, right? If you are if your cost is less than your value that you extract, you can do that as much as you want.

    And eventually your business will hit the goals you set up.

    So that’s the answer.

    I would suggest to that question in terms of lead flow and and metrics, I look at cost per acquisition, value, net profit, conversion rates, and all those things together, build a weighted score, use it to build your scoring mechanism, and then you can assign the lead score based on those different factors for your marketing automation software to do score leads and come up with good answers for your dashboards.

    So that’s how I would tackle that your mileage may vary, but I find that’s the best way to balance all those competing factors together.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Privacy-Friendly Google Analytics Alternatives?

    You Ask, I Answer: Privacy-Friendly Google Analytics Alternatives?

    Maru asks, “I recently learned that Google Analytics poses certain privacy concerns and that other analytics tools like Piwick are more secure. Any comments on other analytics tools other that Google?”

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    In today’s episode Maru asks, I recently learned that Google Analytics poses certain privacy concerns of the other tools like pay UK are more secure.

    Any comments on other analytics tools other than Google? So, yes, there.

    There’s more than just privacy concerns.

    What has happened in the EU, which, of course, is the originator of the General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR, which has been in place since 2018.

    But is being much more heavily enforced, is that in France, and in Italy, I know for France for certain, I think Italy, the cnio, which is one of France’s major regulatory agencies ruled that Google Analytics violates GDPR.

    And there is no exceptions.

    It says, because there is no way for European data to be processed only in Europe because it is sent essentially to America, which is where Google itself is based.

    The use of Google Analytics period in the EU violates GDPR.

    Now, obviously, this is an ongoing court case, this ruling is effectively does make the use of of Google Analytics in all the EU illegal, but no, it is being appealed and all of that.

    So in terms of what you need to do to comply with GDPR is the data that you’re collecting the data that you’re processing analytics data has to be collected, stored and processed entirely within the EU and within the nation that you’re operating.

    So that data for anybody with in the EU and that’s by the way, it’s that’s an important clarification is that it is for anybody within the European Economic Area that you whether or not they’re an EU citizen is irrelevant it is with if I traveled to Paris, while I was in Paris, I am on European soil.

    And therefore, any company tracking me would have GDPR applied to me while I’m there, right? So even though I’m an American citizen, GDPR applies to me, as long as I’m physically on European soil.

    Now, caveat disclaimer, I’m not a lawyer, I’m a marketer.

    I’m not a lawyer.

    So please do contact your lawyer for any actual legal disputes and things like that.

    But this is my understanding of the law as it stands today.

    So what do you do, you need an analytic system where the data is entirely processed within the EU.

    The easiest way, the best way to do this that will pass audit that will pass scrutiny pretty easily is for you to run an analytics system on your servers and not send that data anywhere else, right.

    Don’t send it to Google, don’t send it to Adobe, don’t send it to anybody, you process and run it.

    So that means open source analytics systems that are run on your servers by your people is the way to go.

    What would be some examples of that? Well, one of the systems that I recommend them the most is a system called matomo.

    matomo is used to be called Piwik.

    matomo is the analytics system, I think that does this the best it is open source, it is free, you have to run the server that it runs on, if you want to be completely GDPR compliant, you have to run the server yourself.

    So that means you start up a server.

    And it doesn’t have to be a physical server can be a VPS, a virtual server.

    But it has to be with a European hosting company that can certify that that servers within the boundaries of the EU.

    And then you install the matomo software on your website.

    And then your matomo has its own Tag Manager.

    So you don’t necessarily need to use anyone else’s Tag Manager.

    And it’s probably better if you don’t, again, because the whole point is to try to avoid triggering GDPR.

    And then you put the tracking snippet and stuff on your website with all the usual consent stuff so that someone who comes to your website, they get that lovely pop up that says hey, do you consent to being tracked? If so then it can fire them matomo tracking bug and that in turn can pass that data to matomo on your servers and compliant with the EU I would say any analytics software to be sure that your complaint should be something that you run on your servers on servers that you are own of them are under your control.

    I would be very hesitant to use Have any kind of SaaS service honestly, software as a service, because if it’s unless it’s a company that is completely wholly based within the EU

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    has an EU only data center, and nothing else, you can’t be sure that there isn’t one or more pieces of that technology stack that could be running outside the EU, it could be the CDN, the content delivery network, it could be the proxying.

    It could be the load balancers, there’s any number of technology pieces where the data could be technically in violation of GDPR.

    So the only way to be sure, is for you to run analytics software on your service.

    I know cnio has certified that matomo went into setup properly and self hosted is fully compliant with GDPR, they will actually have a list on their website of analytics packages that are certified.

    compliant, I happen to think my tone was probably the best stuff a lot.

    And of course, you will pay more in terms of labor, to have somebody maintain that server because you need to understand how to run a Linux server.

    But it will, it has the best possible protection against a lawsuit against any kind of having to prove in a court that you’ve protected users data in accordance with the law.

    So that’s my suggestion.

    As time goes on, we’re gonna see more and more of these privacy restrictions, right, we’re gonna see more and more cookie lists, stuff, all kinds of things that are going to be happening.

    So the sooner that you get set up with a system like matomo, the better off, you’re probably going to be another piece of software that I use my marketing automation system, I use a system called Mautic.

    Again, open source software, I run it on my servers on the server I administer, the data never leaves my control.

    No third party looks at that data, right? No third party is processing it, no third party is storing it, it’s entirely on one of my servers.

    Again, from a compliance perspective, if I have to, to pull out server logs to prove something in a court of law, I can do that.

    If you’re within EU and you want to use marketing automation, or you want to use a CRM, you’re going to have to start looking at the self hosted options with with hardware and software that is under your control and that will pass muster in a court of law.

    So really good question.

    Really important question.

    This is stuff that we all have to be thinking about because as privacy laws continue to get more stringent.

    Everyone is going to be tackling these questions in the next few years.

    Here in the United States where I’m based, we have this whole patchwork quilt of regulations.

    California has got its own privacy regulations.

    Virginia has its own New York state has its own, and they’re varying different flavors.

    But right now GDPR is probably the gold standard to meet.

    So that if you are fully compliant with GDPR, you are almost certainly compliant with lesser privacy regulations for the most part, so make sure in terms of how you’re approaching measurement, this is the way to go.

    GDPR compliance means for the most part, compliance with every other privacy regulation out there.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Predictive Analytics in Google Analytics 4?

    You Ask, I Answer: Predictive Analytics in Google Analytics 4?

    Kaylee asks, “What kinds of predictive analytics modeling is in Google Analytics 4?”

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    In this episode, Kaley asks, what kinds of predictive analytics modeling is in Google Analytics 4.

    So this question has two answers.

    For the end user, you and I, very little, if you go in the Explorer hub, there is the ability to do anomaly detection and a little bit of forecasting.

    In Google Data Studio, you can do things like slap trend lines on data.

    But for the most part, there isn’t a lot of predictive analytics that is accessible to the end user in such a way that you can use it to forecast what’s likely to happen.

    There is really good anomaly detection.

    So you can program Google Analytics, even on an hourly basis to say like, Hey, when, you know, traffic gets the exceeds 500% of the previous period, raise your hand.

    That stuff works really well.

    But in terms of predictive analytics, not a whole lot.

    The second answer is that behind the scenes, there’s quite a bit of predictive analytics going on.

    Google is using a lot of imputation algorithms to deal with missing data.

    Because, you know, on average, like 2030 40% of the data that we collect from our websites and stuff is missing, right? Privacy, things consent not being given for tracking bugs, ad blockers, you name it, there’s so many different technologies that are built to take data away from marketers, that software like Google Analytics has to essentially fill in the blanks.

    It’s best guesses based on the behavior of people on your site and matching that of people who have been on your site previously to have those same behaviors, looking at the demographic and psychographic and stuff data that they would have had.

    So you have this known audience.

    And you have this unknown audience that the unknown audience behaves exactly like the known audience.

    Google’s predictive analytics says, Okay, this unknown audience probably is like this known audience.

    So this is all Asian guys 40 to 50 years old.

    And this group here behaves exactly like Asian guys 40 to 50 years old, this group is probably asian guys 40 to 50 years old.

    As a rough example, if you want to leverage predictive analytics yourself.

    With Google Analytics, you’ve got to get the data out of the application yourself.

    And use your own forecasting software to do things like forecasting by channel or forecasting by campaign, and so on, and so forth.

    And if that’s a doable thing, Google Analytics has inversion for the GA for Data API.

    And it’s pretty good.

    There is a lot of useful data in it.

    It’s not sampled, like Google Analytics 3 data is.

    And so you can do some pretty robust forecasting off of it once you can get the data out of the application.

    But the challenge there is that for a lot of folks, that’s a bit more technical, heavy lifting than a lot of folks are accustomed to doing.

    Now, that said, there is no shortage of third party vendors that are offering some kind of software for sale, that can can do similar things.

    But the data is there, it’s all done the same way you take data out of the GA four API, you clean it up, you format it into a time series and say, Okay, let’s forecast, let’s predict what’s likely to happen in the next 3045 6090 days, based on back data.

    In some ways, I don’t think it’s a bad thing that there isn’t predictive analytics, but to do Google Analytics, 4.

    Because predictive analytics, as we all know, can be really, really wrong.

    Sometimes, particularly when you are in an uncertain environment, when you’re in an unstable environment.

    For example, there’s one client that just spent a whole bunch of money on a campaign and that that campaign, in the historical data creates this massive distortion, that kind of screws up forecasting, because you know, for a month, their results like crazy high, and then they ran out of money, and they all they turn the dials back down.

    And they they don’t, they can’t replicate that.

    And so we can’t forecast from that, because it’s an anomaly.

    We actually have to remove it from the data so that it doesn’t screw up other forecasts.

    And that’s not something that Google is going to roll out to the end user anytime soon, because it requires data cleaning, right? It requires subject matter expertise.

    It requires knowing what your company did, and so it will be very easy for Google to forecast the wrong things.

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    because it doesn’t know what happened behind the scenes, it doesn’t know that your your cmo got drunk one night and swiped a credit card and put a million bucks in your Google ad system as an example.

    Right? He doesn’t know that.

    So it can only forecast the day it’s given.

    And there’s so much uncertainty that it’s it’s very challenging.

    So, no, there’s no substantial predictive analytics modeling capabilities exposed to the end user in Google Analytics 4.

    You’ve got to do that yourself.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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