In today’s episode, I discuss the reckoning coming for the entertainment industry due to advances in AI. Generative AI puts the power of content creation into the hands of individuals, threatening big studio’s business models. But this shift also enables underrepresented voices to tell their own stories like never before. Don’t miss this thoughtful look at how AI will reshape entertainment as we know it.
Mind Readings: The Entertainment Industry's AI Reckoning is Coming
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In today’s episode, let’s talk about the reckoning for the entertainment industry. Right now, as of the time of recording, this is July, mid-July 2023, two of the entertainment industry’s unions, the Writers Guild of America, and the Screen Actors Guild are both on strike. The terms of the strike are mainly around things like pay residuals, which are essentially royalties that artists are paid for the use of their work on an ongoing basis, and the use of artificial intelligence. And it is this last topic that we’re going to talk about today, because I’m really not qualified to be talking about the other stuff. I’ve never worked as an actor.
So let’s talk about the way that AI is being perceived by both the unions and the studios. The studios clearly see AI as a cost saving mechanism. As there’s been no documentation, but it was reported by SAG-AFTRA, which is the actors union, that the studios’ proposal for background actors is that you get one day’s pay. You’d be required to have your identity scanned, and then they could use that identity as a background actor in perpetuity with no additional pay.
This obviously is less than ideal if you are a background actor because essentially it puts you out of work, at least with that studio for however long they need additional background actors. And as we talked about in an episode of the newsletter recently, for stuff like that, it’s probably not gonna last long anyway, because you can get synthetic actors. You can use Unreal Engine, MetaHuman to generate fully synthetic people. These are not leading roles, right? This is somebody who is literally just standing on the sidewalk, looking at their phone or looking at the thing go by, but they’re not key players. And so those background actors aka extras, as they’re normally known, yeah, that job as a whole is in peril.
But here’s the thing – the benefit that studios will get in the short term is real, and it will come at the expense of some of these unions. But the studios themselves are in mortal peril. And the reason why is generative artificial intelligence, the ability for us to use natural language to generate works of text, images, music, motion pictures, right now, is in its infancy, right?
When you look at some of the things that Stable Diffusion, for example, can produce, you look at it and go, well, that’s kind of wonky, right? Go look up “Pepperoni Hug Spot” on YouTube. It’s a very well known fully AI generated video. It’s very clearly AI generated, like no one’s going to mistake it for the real deal. But it shows you what’s possible for someone with some technical skills today. The tools keep evolving.
Unity, the game development engine released Unity AI generative prompts that allow you to create a virtual scene, right? You could say “an interior office at sunset with five desks and then three paintings, laptops on the desks, a coffee machine in the corner,” and so on and so forth. In your detailed prompt, it will then render that scene in a virtual environment that you construct a video game from. Whether you could construct a virtual movie from those capabilities are going to keep getting better and better and better.
And this is the reckoning for the entertainment industry as a whole – not for creators, but for the Bob Igers and Ted Sarandos’s of the world. Yes, these tools will let a studio like a Netflix or an Apple TV or a Disney Plus manufacture content at scale without paying a whole bunch of other people to do so. But it also lets you and I do that.
You can install Unity for free, you can install Unreal Engine for free on your desktop or laptop. And within the terms of the licensing, you can create content. And you can create content today, somewhat, but moving ahead, as easy as writing your own fan fiction, right?
Imagine the day comes when you maybe take your fan fiction that you wrote, to put it into a generative system that says, “Okay, here, we’ve rendered the 10 minute show or 30 minute show or two hour movie from the fiction.” What happens to the entertainment industry then?
Now, obviously, if you’re using someone’s existing franchise, then you know, that’s a copyright violation, and so on and so forth. But it’s not unreasonable to think that there will be entertainment franchises that independent creators build that are better than what the mainstream studios are going to build in the same way.
There are great works on Archive of Our Own – fan fiction works and original fiction that’s way better than you’re going to see on the shelf at the one remaining bookstore in your city that’s still open. This is the future of entertainment.
The future of entertainment is that creator tools are in everyone’s hands powered by natural language in such a way that anyone who’s got an idea for a story can manufacture it. Now there will be some creative differences. For example, with today’s large language models, they are very, very heavily censored, right? You can’t really get them to write a scene that involves more than like kissing, right? But it starts to throw all sorts of warnings about inappropriate content and things like that.
And there are models and stuff that have workarounds for that sort of thing. But it is entirely possible, it is probable, that there will be new models to do that – in the creation of images and the creation of video and the creation of audio – that also don’t have those restrictions. And then the sky’s the limit for what you want to create.
This presents a problem to the entertainment industry because it puts the power of creation and the ability to create franchises back in the hands of regular people. In the last 150 years, we have really seen the entertainment industry become an actual industry, right? Where you need $100 million to build a blockbuster movie where you need thousands of people to build a film.
Now and moving forward, maybe it’s 100 people, it’s 10 people. Maybe it’s just you, or you and a friend using these tools, right – to create, to create a universe of your own making, to tell the stories that you want to see told, to generate original franchises and original premises that maybe will be better than what a mainstream company can create.
Particularly if you are someone who is underrepresented – maybe you’re Korean, right? Or maybe you’re queer, or maybe you’re blind. These tools will let you tell stories that the entertainment industry would deem commercially non-viable. “Here’s a movie that will only appeal to like 1000 people. It’s not worth making for the entertainment industry today. It’s gonna have negative ROI.”
But you, or you and your friend and a gaming laptop, and these AI tools, you could make that movie. And if you sold, you know, 1000 tickets, right? At $10 each. You just made $10,000 on a movie that is telling the story that you want to tell.
That is the future of the entertainment industry. And they’re not ready. They are not ready. What they should be thinking about is going from producers or distributors to being scouts, looking for great stories and saying, “Okay, how can we license this story and bring this franchise under our production system? Maybe they’re more efficient at production. Maybe they have, you know, a bigger AI farm of servers.”
But it is entirely possible that we will be looking at a totally different way to create, to share and to tell stories in a way that returns the ability to tell stories and get them heard back to individual people.
Anyway, that’s what’s on tap for today. Thank you for tuning in. I’ll talk to you next time. If you’d like this video, go ahead and hit that subscribe button.
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I think I’ve answered the “Will AI take your job?” question more times in the past week than in the past 6 months. Part of that was because I was on a bunch of podcasts, and part of that was the headlines, the news stories of the week. The Screen Actors Guild-American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (SAG-AFTRA) went on strike this week. One of the points of contention for SAG-AFTRA – that they share with the Writers’ Guild of America – is their concerns about whether AI will take their jobs.
So let’s have a nuanced discussion about the topic, because it isn’t as clear-cut as many folks would like it to be. I talked to one person who was steadfast that we should only remain positive about AI, and another person who believes it to be an existential threat to humanity. The truth is somewhere in between.
AI, as it stands today in mid-2023, isn’t going to be taking anyone’s job. Even the most sophisticated models and ensembles cannot do the disparate parts of most jobs. AI is quite capable of doing specific tasks, and doing those tasks well. Those capabilities increase every day; this week, Anthropic released its Claude-2 model which is a huge leap forward for large language models. With a 100,000 token context window-
Okay, probably should explain that part. A context window is effectively how much a large language model can remember at any given time in the context of a specific conversation. If you’ve used smaller models like GPT-J-6B, the old GPT-3, and many of the open source models, you know that these models have relatively short memories. You can be talking to them about something and in the span of a few paragraphs, it’s like they’ve forgotten what they were talking about. That context window is the working memory. Older models and open source models have context windows of about 2,000 tokens. Tokens are word fragments; on average, 100 tokens equals about 66 words, or about 2/3 the token size. A model that has a context window of 2,000 tokens can remember about 1,300 words, give or take.
That means if you get into a lengthy conversation that’s more than a page of text, the model starts to lose its memory. Details you discussed previously it will suddenly not know. And that can be really frustrating if you’re working with documents longer than a page.
The current OpenAI models in ChatGPT support context windows of up to 16,000 tokens for GPT-3.5-Turbo (which is the default model for ChatGPT) or up to 32,000 tokens for GPT-4 in the paid version of ChatGPT. If you do the math, that means ChatGPT and software based on its underlying models can handle about 10,000 words at a time for the default model and around 20,000 words at a time for the paid version. That makes for more satisfying conversations, more capabilities, longer content creation, the works. Bigger context windows, all other things being equal, tend to be better.
So when Anthropic released its GPT-4 competitor, Claude 2, with a 100,000 token context window – equal to about 66,000 words – that was a very big deal. You could feed it an entire business book or fiction work as a prompt, for example, and tell the model to rewrite the entire book in the style of Ernest Hemingway.
What does this all have to do with your job? The bigger and more capable models get, the more tasks they can handle. Every time we have a big leap forward in model capabilities, that opens the door for us to hand off more tasks to AI. Does your book draft need a sensitivity reader or a first-pass editor? Feed it to a model with a suitably large context window and have it do the initial work. Do you want to rewrite a work of fiction you wrote in one universe to another universe? The largest models can handle that task. Do you want to write thousands of lines of code? Also doable. In fact, GPT-4’s Code Interpreter, which I wrote about earlier this week, is absolutely mind-melting in how good it is.
What we – and by we, I mean most AI practitioners – have been saying for quite some time now is that AI isn’t going to take your job, but a person skilled with AI will take the job of a person who isn’t skilled with AI. That’s… sort of true. Again, there’s nuance. There are some jobs, some content creation jobs, where AI will absolutely take that job if it’s valuable enough to do so. This week, SAG-AFTRA reported that the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP) allegedly included in their negotiating points, this:
“This ‘groundbreaking’ AI proposal that they gave us yesterday, they proposed that our background performers should be able to be scanned, get one day’s pay, and their companies should own that scan, their image, their likeness and should be able to use it for the rest of eternity on any project they want, with no consent and no compensation. So if you think that’s a groundbreaking proposal, I suggest you think again.” – Duncan Crabtree-Ireland, chief negotiator for SAG-AFTRA
Now, no one seems to be able to produce the actual document where this is written, but the perspective alone is worth considering. Yes, with today’s technology, it is possible to scan a person’s likeness and re-use that person in perpetuity. I should hope anyone in the entertainment industry has a good enough lawyer to look for that clause in a contract and amend it appropriately. But for background talent, our technology is getting good enough that background actors (also known as extras) can be largely synthetic anyway. That job – a person milling around in the background – is one that AI absolutely can do. If you haven’t already seen Unreal Engine’s Metahuman Creator (here’s a short film made entirely with the tech), you should. It’s uncanny how good the generated humans look – more than good enough to synthesize a background actor wandering down a street or standing on a corner looking at their phone.
So yes, there are some instances where AI will take someone’s job. Let’s now talk about the second part, the idea that someone skilled with AI will take the job of someone who is not. This is true, but there’s an additional dimension at play here.
AI is a force multiplier. It lets you be more of you, it amplifies your human capabilities. A good writer, with the help of AI, becomes a prolific good writer. A good painter, with the help of AI, becomes a prolific good painter. AI works best when someone who has subject matter expertise can craft the necessary prompt details to bring out the specifics that only an expert would know. For everyone else, it adds to our capabilities, gives us capabilities that we don’t have.
For example, in a recent Discord chat, some friends of mine were celebrating two members of our community becoming a couple. One of them has an avatar of a blue frog. The other has an avatar of a trash can (don’t ask). In the conversation, someone joked that they needed a combined profile picture of some kind. Naturally, I hopped over to Bing Image Creator and gave it the appropriate prompt to generate:
AI gave me a capability I don’t have. I’m not an artist. I don’t generate art like this. The software, however, enabled me to become a good enough artist to fulfill the requirements in that moment. Is it great art? No. Could a human artist, a skilled artist, have done better? Yes.
Is it good enough? Yes.
AI is a force multiplier. Which in turn means it allows one person to do the work of more than one person. A writer, empowered with AI, can do the work of more than one writer who doesn’t have AI capabilities. How much more? It depends, but it’s not unreasonable to believe that it’s multiples – 2, 3, 5, maybe even 10 people. Which means if you’re, say, a content marketing production agency or company, you could either scale your business 2, 3, 5, or 10x if there’s enough business to be had, or alternately reduce headcount by 2, 3, 5, or even 10x depending on the content you create and how skilled your writers are.
This is the part we’re not totally being honest about when we say a person skilled with AI will take the job of a person not skilled with AI. It’s not a one-to-one ratio. Depending on the job, it could be a many-to-one ratio.
Now, is it all doom and gloom? No. For every job AI consumes, it will create ripple effects, which we’ve talked about in the past. You might lose 90% of your writers but then you have to hire 10x your number of editor, or promoters, or distributors, etc. A massive change in efficiency in one part of your supply chain will have upstream and downstream effects on the rest of the supply chain.
But there will be impacts that are greater than the optimists are predicting, and lesser than the nihilists are predicting.
So what? What’s the antidote, what’s the strategy, what’s the play to keep you safe? It’s what we’ve been saying all along – the person skilled with AI takes the jobs of people not skilled with AI. Right now, things are still in flux. The market isn’t settled yet. There isn’t a calcified hegemony in place with permanent winners and losers. That means there’s still time for you to carve out your niche, as an AI-empowered worker no matter what industry you’re in. That window is closing, but you still have time to skill up, to learn, to explore, and to be a leader in your space.
The AMPTP may not hire background actors in the future, but they will absolutely hire someone skilled at Unreal Engine to build metahuman background talent for productions. You want to be that person.
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Evan Kirstel, a B2B tech influencer, recently interviewed Christopher Penn, Chief Data Scientist at TrustInsights.ai, on his podcast. They discussed the rise of generative AI and its potential impact on marketing and other industries.
Penn has been involved with analytics and data science for over a decade. He got interested in AI around 2017 with advances in deep learning. The latest breakthroughs in transformer architectures like GPT-3 have enabled generative AI models that can write, summarize, translate and more.
There are many startups building products on top of models like GPT-3, but Penn believes most will fail unless they add unique value. He focuses on use cases and open source tools that give more control vs relying on third party services.
For marketers worried about losing their jobs, Penn says AI won’t replace jobs directly. However, people skilled at using AI will be far more productive than those who aren’t. Marketers need to skill up and integrate AI into their workflows to avoid displacement.
Penn sees the biggest near-term impact of AI in improving marketing operations. It can help with scheduling, email, status updates and other repetitive tasks. But he cautions against overusing it just to generate more content.
His advice for young professionals is to develop cross-disciplinary thinking, which AI still struggles with. Taking varied classes in literature, history, etc. builds the nuanced understanding of humanity that AI lacks. But everyone also needs to learn how to use AI tools.
Penn predicts quantum computing will eventually lead to machine consciousness, but not for at least 5-10 years with today’s AI architectures. He expects job losses but also new roles where humans are still preferred. Climate change is a larger concern than AI in the next decade.
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Evan: Hey, everyone. Super excited for this chat today with Rockstar, with legendary author, content creator, analyst, data scientist, Christopher Penn. Chris, how are you?
Christopher: You know, I can’t complain. It is, it’s 2023. Everything seems, you know, I just got through Fourth of July, I can still count to 10 on my hands. We’re all good.
Evan: It is good. And this is a special Boston area edition, where both in Boston know that we haven’t seen each other in five, six, seven years. So it takes, you know, social media to bring us back together again.
For those few folks who don’t know who you are, maybe share your journey into becoming a marketing data scientist, keynote speaker, author, etc. And we’re going to dive into AI, which I’m particularly excited about.
Christopher: Yeah, I mean, I started in it. So in the late 90s, and in the early 2000s, I was in it. And then in the 2000s, as many folks know, it became marketing technology.
And I sort of had my career pivoted to go with that, you know, running send mail on a Linux server became, you know, send the email newsletter, and so on and so forth.
And then in the early 2010s, I moved out of the financial services company, I was in into a PR agency. And one of the things that I got started there with was taking my experience in analytics and starting to move it into data science.
And of course, that logically gave way to artificial intelligence and machine learning mostly. So you have things like hell, how much traffic to the client’s website get? Well, let’s can we create a forecast model, you know, using at the time, a Rima and Arma and all those things. Classical algorithms. And over the last 10 years, AI has evolved. Shockingly, we first have had huge growth with deep learning with things like multi layer perceptrons and stuff.
And then really, the thing that has seems to have launched into the stratosphere, it was a 2017 paper called Attention is all you need, which is was the release of the transformer architecture, and alongside at the diffuser architecture.
So these two AI fundamental foundational technologies came out in 2017. And since then, they have been the underpinnings of everything you’re seeing with stuff like chat GPT and Dolly and stable diffusion, you know, AI created art and writing and poetry and all this stuff, all that’s predicated on those two architectures.
Evan: Absolutely. And it’s the most exciting time to be a content creator. And you must be every day must be like a kid in the candy store for you, in particular as such a practitioner. Before we jump into that, tell me about your content, you have a weekly newsletter, it’s highly praised.
You have AI for marketers, which are practical applications for AI in marketing, what else what did I miss? I there’s so much stuff that we create.
Christopher: So I’ve got two podcasts, one is marketing over coffee, which has been on the air since 2007.
That’s a weekly show. And then the In Ear Insights podcast is the trust insights podcast also weekly, and then there’s a Thursday live stream called So What the marketing analytics insights live show, which is the company live stream. So there’s making content all the time, following a strategy that my friend and former CEO Todd Deferon talked about way back in 2008. The idea of content atomization, where you make a piece of content, you break it up into more content.
But we really pivoted I pivoted, starting in about 2016 2017, to being video first, because video is the richest channel that has the most information. And then from video, you can take, you know, snippets and make Instagram reels or whatever. But you can take the audio and now you’ve got a podcast, you can take the audio and put it through pieces of transcription software. Now you’ve got text. And now with generative AI, you can take that text and have it summarized into blog posts, into emails into social media posts. There’s so many different ways to take one piece of video content and just break it up into all these pieces that you it really is the best way to generate a lot of content. And then with AI in your pocket is you know, that’s a force multiplier that allows you to really dramatically accelerate the amount of the total number of pieces of content you can create, and then publish where, wherever your audience wants you to be.
Evan: That’s a wonderful tactic and best practice. So when degenerative AI could have come onto your radar, and how have you managed to consume all of this frenzy of news and updates and analysis and startups and applications that are just coming out of the woodwork? I mean, it’s really hard to analyze what’s going on as it’s not just about barred or chat GPT or open AI, there is a thousand flowers blooming at the moment.
Christopher: There are 1000 flowers blooming and 990 of them will wither and die in six months.
Evan: Thanks for that optimistic note. I was kidding.
Christopher: It’s like any, any startup, there’s a tremendous number of companies now that are essentially just a UI on someone else’s technology, right? There’s not a whole lot of compelling value proposition above and beyond that those companies that survive will find some way to add value above and beyond what you can do. But you know, my my journey with generative AI started around 2020. When opening, I released a model called GPT two back then, I think it was GPT two.
Evan: Wow, you were you were early on as a marketeer.
Christopher: Because it caught my eye that this thing could generate text. And then you had a illithra AI is GPT j 6b model, the 6 billion parameter model. And that was sort of the beginning of the open source, large language model revolution. And these two things have kind of marched in parallel. And you start seeing more and more growth from you know, these models, you’re seeing very large models coming out of big tech companies, you know, Facebook has released its llama model, Google has palm two, of course, open AI has the GPT for 3.5 and for family anthropic has clawed to now. But then you also in parallel have this huge ecosystem of open source projects. So Facebook open source, the llama model to the community and that has created 1000s 1000s of new models, you know, derivatives and things that people have created forks, there’s wizard LM.
The way I think about the technologies and how to keep them organized, how to catatune through the clutter is twofold one. I look for use cases. Like what, what do we want to do with this stuff? Like a real simple example, we’re, we’re talking you and I right now in on a live stream. If either one of us says something notable, we’d want to make know that so we want to maybe to get this transcribed suit. So then okay, well, what AI technologies is operating in the transcription space whisper which is open AI is open source product is by the way, a phenomenal product. It’s one that I’m writing it down. Another tip from Chris Ben. It’s free. It’s open source that runs on your laptop, which is as long as you’ve got a good enough laptop or any any laptop you can play good video games on you can use this technology. And then it does the transcription for free.
So yeah, you have all these services like you know, you know, whatever dollars for how many minutes like now I’m just going to run it locally on my machine and you know you and you can just do crazy stuff with that. So transcription makes a logical outcome from our conversation. And then summarization makes a logical outcome. So I’d want to look at AI model that had can handle what 45 minutes and hours worth of conversation and boil that down and maybe post but also have the original text. So now I need to think about okay, well, how what kinds of technologies can handle that much text? A good example, that would be anthropics, Claude to model which got released yesterday. This can handle 100,000 tokens at a time which if you’re not familiar with, you know, AI terminology, that’s about 65 70,000 words.
Evan: Wow. So yeah, breaking new ground here supply chain and marketing are not two things typically get taught in the same sentence. Fascinating. You know, talking about you do a lot of educating people like me or your your clients and beyond but what would you give as advice to young people who are looking at marketing and wondering how this career is going to be affected by gen AI and just generally how do they get ahead of this wave beyond you know, obviously consuming all of your content and others? What advice would you have for them in their 20s perhaps?
Christopher: So there’s there’s a couple of things that machines really don’t do well and won’t do well for a while. One of which is they are very, they’re still not very good cross disciplinary thinkers that even with the largest language models, they still don’t exhibit truly emergent cross disciplinary thinking. So it’s very difficult for them to come up with things that humans do through our intentionally flawed memory mechanisms, right? When you’re trying to think of what to create, creating is inherently tied to memory and our memories are flawed in that we only tend to remember things that are high emotional valence, right? We don’t I don’t remember what I had for lunch two weeks ago on Thursday. It was not something that made a huge emotional impact on me. Do I remember what I had for for dinner at my wedding? Sure do. Because it was a very emotionally key thing.
So our memories are tied to emotion machines don’t have that machines have essentially perfect memory. But part of perfect memory means that no one memory is more important than other memories. And so when it creates is not creating in the same way that humans do it is our our dependence on emotion that creates memory loss. And that memory loss is what allows true creativity to kind of fill in the gap. Machines will get there. There’s early work and doing this, but it’s still not quite the same.
So if you are a young professional, or you’re maybe you’re in school right now, you need to be looking at having as many cross disciplinary experiences as possible. Like, take that 19th century French literature class take that, you know, intro to Islam class, take all these things that will give you a better and more nuanced understanding of humanity, because humanity is what the machines are calibrating towards and there, it’s very difficult for them to do that. Because we are such weird creatures.
The second thing is you’re this is an acknowledgement, everyone has to get skilled up on the use of these AI tools, you have to know it because the number here’s the part that folks don’t want to talk about the jobs that are going to be affected the most are the entry level jobs, right? If you have someone whose job is just writing press releases, say at a PR agency, well, guess what, the machines can do that in almost entirely now. So you don’t need humans to do that anymore. We do need humans to edit it to QA it to like, hey, you made up a quote from a CEO doesn’t exist. This is probably not something we should do here. But there will be far fewer jobs available at the entry level because machines will be doing so many more of them. So if you are one again, if you’re one of those people who are skilled with AI, and your peers are not, you have an advantage, you will be one of the people who, you know, a hiring manager will say, Well, you know, why should I hire you versus having a machine do it, you could say because I am good at working the machines. And I can dramatically increase your productivity and your results, whereas all the other people who are competing for the same job, they can’t do that. And this is every field.
What happened this past week was just absolutely stunning. Open AI opened up code interpreter, which is part of the GPU for the system in the paid version of chat GPT code interpreter is the dumbest name for the most brilliant product ever. It is a junior data scientist is what it really is. You can take for example, you could export, say your personal finance, maybe export your bank account data, right in a CSV file, and you insert it into code interpreter, be sure to turn off logging so that you’re not handing open a higher financial data. But then you say, run a financial analysis on this data. And tell me, you know, where am I wasting my money every month, and it will go through and it will write code, Python code to do that, and then show you the analysis it does, right?
So if you are a person who is skilled with these tools, you can fill a ton of different entry level roles, think about, you know, bookkeeping, you with the help of code interpreter could be a good novice, you know, no, no years experience bookkeeper in the workforce with this tool, even though you never went to school for it, because the machine is good enough at that junior level task. So everyone needs to understand this stuff. But people who are junior in their careers, most, they need to understand the most of all, because they will be far fewer positions available.
Evan: Great point. I hope folks are listening and taking note. You’ve given us so much wisdom and insight, but any anecdotal stories or case studies of maybe your clients or otherwise who’ve been using generative AI really effectively in their marketing campaigns or in content. I mean, we’re all using it to some degree, but where is it having the most impact? Would you say the most impact is having right now is in marketing operations, right?
Chris: It is in being able to help people do their jobs faster. Everything from, you know, building schedules and calendars, replying to emails, creating commodity content, like here’s our status update.
One of the places we use it, every, every reporting period of one of our clients is we take in hundreds and hundreds of pieces of feedback from one of our clients, website survey systems, where as you know, simple satisfaction surveys, and we say, Okay, summarize this content into the top five categories in the top five, top five positive and top five negative categories of feedback for the customer’s website. And so instead of having to read literally 22,000 pieces of feedback every month for this client, they can look at the top five issues, positive and negative and the percentages, and the machine is summarizing all the stuff so well and so easily that allows them to make decisions very, very quickly.
So op as much as people like, Oh, yeah, generate infinite amounts of content, like, yes, you can. But that’s kind of like taking, you know, a Porsche 911 to the grocery store, like, yeah, it does the job, but it’s kind of overkill. But in operations in streamlining and giving you access to stuff is where it really shines. The other place that it shines and is so underused is in professional development. People don’t think of these tools as professional development and training tools. And they are exactly that. I’ll give you an example. In large language models, there’s these two concepts called parameters and weights, the number of parameters that a model has in the model weights. And if you read the technical explanations about it, it’s like, okay, this is, you know, here’s how these things are calculated. And here’s the mathematics. And for a lot of people, that explanation just goes into slides right off their brain, right?
Go into a tool like chat GPT, for example, and say, explain within the context of large language models, parameters and weights in terms of pizza. And it will say, if a large language model is a pizza, the parameters, the variety of the ingredients of toppings, and the weights are how many of each topping there is like, Oh, I get it now. Now I can speak intelligently about this. If you’ve been in a meeting or at a conference or any place where you don’t want to ask a question out loud, because like, Oh, God, everyone’s gonna think I’m dumb, right? You know, my team should think I will think I should know this already. You just pull up your phone, you type the question into chat GPT and say, explain this to me and then five minutes they’re like, now I know what you’re talking about. And I can participate in this meeting again. It is such an underrated tool for helping people get up to speed very quickly.
Evan: Oh, such great advice. As we wrap up here, let’s take a look a bit longer out maybe five years, give us maybe an upside and a downside scenario, best case worst case on how we might be living in five years with generative AI in our daily lives. What do you think? Couple predictions.
Christopher: I can’t even tell you five months, right? If you think about it, chat GPT was released in November of last year has not even been a full year. And this this circus train has just gone, you know, off the rails and into the sky. We’ve got, you know, models popping up everywhere. We’ve got thousands of new companies, we have all sorts of crazy emergent properties happening in the largest models. I have no clue. What I can say is this, the current architectures will not permit true consciousness, right? It will not permit machines to be self aware, this is computationally not possible with the current today’s architectures. The system that will allow that is quantum computing. Because quantum computing is essentially the way they work is massively parallel like our brains, right? Like the gray matter in here, we are our brains are essentially really slow, but extremely complex parallel processors. Quantum computing allows that but at a much faster pace, assuming we can stabilize them right now that about 1000 qubits or so, which is like 1000 brain cells. And you have like billions, if not trillions of brain cells in your head that create that that interlinking complexity creates emergent properties like consciousness. Once quantum computing finally gets up to speed and can start tackling things like language models, then you have the conditions for consciousness.
In terms of what’s likely to happen, we can count on two sets of properties that are going to be consistent, right? Everybody wants better, faster and cheaper. So if you’re wondering about the motivations of any company in its use of AI, it’s going to want those things, right? And people are generally greedy, stupid and horny. So we can expect that any product that serves those things, those those human impulses is going to do well, then people will use AI for those applications, whether you want them to or not. There will be substantial job losses, but there will also be substantial job creations. As people find services in places and things where machines don’t work well, there’s a new service, for example, in Japan, someone whose job it is to help you quit working at a company because of complex personal relationships, like that’s a service. It clearly is.
The big thing that in a five to 10 year time span, that is a much greater, more pressing problem that people need to be planning for now, in terms of supply chain and business continuity, is climate change, climate change is happening so fast. We’re in what is essentially a an accelerating feedback loop. As things get warmer, things that create conditions for increasing warmth get worse. There’s a whole bunch of methane trapped in the permafrost around the Arctic Circle, and methane, methane deposits essentially in the ocean. As the planet warms up, this gets released, which creates warming even faster. And there’s not a whole lot, you know, that to stop that particular train. As a result, things like these wildfires that we’ve been having wildfires are going to be getting worse, they’ll be around longer, they’ll be much bigger. And so even something as simple as you know, all those masks that we bought for for the pandemic, we’re going to want to have them on hand, because that’s how you block at least the particulates from from wildfires, but all the supply chain stuff we’ve been seeing rippling since the pandemic was going to continue, it’s going to get worse.
So companies need to be thinking about from a business continuity perspective, a, how can I build redundancy and safety in my supply chain? And B, how can I use technology to communicate faster with my my stakeholders, my customers and things so that they are informed faster, I can keep customers happier for longer, knowing that it’s going to be more and more challenging to provide physical goods and services.
Evan: Oh, such a great point. I was just talking to a big telecom customer of mine this morning, who is using drones and third party fire detection apps to actually detect fires before they spread and to deploy drones auto magically to, to put them out. I mean, so the use of AI and drones and 5g and IoT and all this tech is coming together for good. What’s been such a delight chatting with you? What are you what are you up to the rest of the summer? Personally, professionally? Any any travel ahead?
Christopher: Oh, tons of travel. So in a couple weeks, I’ll be in Cleveland for the marketing AI conference. So I’ll be keynoting that talking about large language models. And then in September, I’ve got a like, I’ve got one week or there’s four different events that week. So there’s content, jam, content marketing world, marketing analytics and data science conference and a private event. And then I’ve been doing a lot of private talks at companies just trying to help these companies get up to get their employees up to speed on generative AI as quickly as possible. So that’s been that’s been sort of the bulk of the speaking stuff is, you know, hour long workshop, hour long talks are six hour workshops internally at companies to say like, hey, let’s get your team up to speed. Let’s show you this stuff. But in a big version of a talk that’s customized for your industry. So you can see how you would apply this today, like your telecom company, client, for example, yeah, you would show a ton of examples. Like here’s how you would use voice the customer data from your call center to guide your marketing strategy, like how you would create marketing copy from the voice of the customer, because it resonates better when customers see the language that they would be using themselves rather than what a marketer came up with, which may or may not even be true.
Evan: Wonderful advice. Thank you so much for spending time with us the and thank you the audience here for watching. Reach out to Chris @cspenn on Twitter and beyond. Thanks so much.
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Artificial intelligence (AI) is rapidly changing the field of marketing, enabling marketers to be more productive and effective. In a recent podcast, host Michael Stelzner interviewed AI expert Christopher Penn about how generative AI can benefit marketers. Here are some of the key takeaways:
AI tools like ChatGPT can help generate marketing content like social media posts, email campaigns, and blog articles. While the quality may not yet match human-written content, these tools enable faster content creation and can help overcome writer’s block.
AI excels at summarizing large amounts of text. It can distill key points from transcripts, meeting notes, and long articles. This allows for quick review and extraction of critical information.
Rewriting content is another application for AI. It can refine and enhance rough drafts as well as rewrite content in different tones and styles. This provides flexibility and efficiency.
AI question answering capabilities enable conversational interfaces for customer service and marketing. With training, AI agents can handle common customer FAQs as well as more complex queries.
For extracting data and insights, AI is very capable. It can quickly analyze piles of data like tweets or transcripts to identify key entities, relationships, and themes.
Creating customized AI models allows for industry- and company-specific applications. With open source options now available, more businesses can fine tune AI to their unique needs.
Autonomous AI agents present new opportunities as well as risks. While able to work independently towards goals, ethical constraints are still a work in progress.
The key for marketers is developing AI skills and experience. With the right training, AI allows individuals and teams to accomplish more in less time. Though AI won’t completely replace human marketers soon, skills and roles will need to adjust to this new technology.
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Michael: If you’re a marketer, I think the best expression I’ve heard of this is, “AI is not going to take your job. A person skilled with AI is going to take the job of a person who is not skilled with AI.”
Today, I’m very excited to be joined by Chris Penn. If you don’t know who Chris is, you need to know Chris. He is a data scientist and author of AI for Marketers. He’s also the co-founder of TrustInsights, a consultancy that helps brands with analytics and AI. He also founded the TrustInsights Academy and his podcast, which has been around for a very long time, is Marketing Over Coffee.
Chris, welcome back to the show. How are you doing today?
Chris: Thank you for having me. I’m having a great time.
Michael: Just out of curiosity, how long has Marketing Over Coffee been around?
Chris: 16 years.
Michael: Dang! That’s crazy.
Well, Chris has a lot of insights and today we’re going to explore AI for marketers and we’re going to get on some fascinating rabbit holes. I guess my first question, Chris, is we’re recording this in the middle of May and this is going to come out about a month later, but there are still a lot of marketers that are not paying attention to AI and for whatever reason, maybe they’re not sold on the value proposition of what it could do for them. Maybe you could explore the benefits and we’ll get into the concerns, obviously, that they have next, but what’s the possible upside as to why maybe they ought to listen to what we’re going to talk about today?
Chris: Sure. There’s three branches of AI. There’s regression, classification and generation. Regression is something that marketers have had access to for a long time. If you use Google Analytics and you’ve said, “Hey, show me my attribution model. What’s working for me?” That is essentially regression and it’s super powerful for identifying, “Hey, I’ve got a bunch of data and I’ve got this outcome. What’s leading to this outcome?” If you’re a social media marketer and you want to know which social media channels are working best, you may have heard of marketing mix modeling or media mix modeling. That’s all regression-based AI.
The second category is classification. Again, this is a very classical AI. You’ve got a bunch of data. What’s in the box? If you ever downloaded a few million tweets at a time and you’re like, “Okay, I need to classify these things because it’s just a huge pile of stuff I’ve got in my customer service inbox. I’m in my favorite social media monitoring software. I’ve just got this pile of stuff,” and you would use AI to organize it to say, “Okay, what is in this data? How do I sort it so that I can make use of it?”
The third category, which is the one that’s got everyone’s attention today, is generative AI, where you now have machines that can make stuff, images, sound, text, video. I just watched Coca-Cola’s first AI-generated commercial. It was very well done. Very well done. I’m not 100% convinced it’s fully AI-generated, but definitely the majority of it is. Each of these areas has benefits. Regression is all about, “Help me do my job better. Help me find answers.” Classification is, “Help me make sense of the data that I have.” And generation is, “Help me create and do more with the information that I have.” Marketers really probably want all three.
Michael: Yeah. Why? What’s the upside for them, especially on the generative stuff? Because that’s the hot stuff today.
Chris: It comes down to, people want, generally speaking, people want to save money, they want to save time and they want to make money. When you think about saving time, that’s an easy one. How long does it take you to write even a simple social post? How long does it take you to put together an Instagram image? How much money does it cost to put together compelling imagery or video or sound? How much does it cost to license stuff? You can save a pretty substantial amount of money by using generative AI to do those things. It obviously saves you time. If you’re saving money, you’re probably also saving time. And then because these tools let you scale, you can reach more people, do better messaging, reach out, be more places, and can bring in more business that way. So really clever, prudent use of the tools can really check the box in all three of those benefits that pretty much everybody wants.
Michael: Now, you have been in the AI sandbox, for lack of a better word, pardon the metaphor, for quite a while. How excited are you about what’s available to us today as marketers?
Chris: It’s funny. The technologies that we’re looking at today really are, to folks who’ve been in the field five or six years old, what has changed is the models themselves have gotten better. And anytime we talk about AI models, we’re really just talking about software that was written by machines for machine use. It’s kind of like if Microsoft Word is a human software, right? AI models are machine software. And the benefits today are, the things that’s changed today is that the accessibility is much easier. We’ve all heard of software like ChatGPT, for example, which is an interface to a model called the GPT family of models from OpenAI. We have just seen very recently Google’s second edition of its BARD software. We’ve used Microsoft Bing with the GPT-4 integration. We use Bing Image Creator to create images for free, right, inside your search engine. And so these tools are more accessible. They are, the advent, particularly of large language models, has made these tools easy to use for the non-technical person. You could have done some of this stuff five years ago, but you had to be a coder. Today, Andre Carpathi said this, a terrific quote in January, “The hottest programming language in 2023 is English.” Just being able to write. Prompt writers, right?
Michael: Exactly. So what is that? I mean, like, do you think this is going to unlock like a creative renaissance in some regards? Because like, what I’m hearing you say is that you had to be a coder to really take advantage of these things just a few months ago. Now anyone can use these things. And it seems to me that will unlock perhaps a new level of creativity. What’s your thoughts on that?
Chris: It depends on how you use them. And I know we’re going to talk about use cases at some point. In some ways they can unlock creativity. In other ways, for people who are perhaps not as self-motivated, they will be substitutes for creativity, right? These tools can create credible and reasonably good content. They don’t create great content. They don’t create like pure surprise-winning content, but they also don’t create crap anymore. Three years ago, it was like watching chimpanzees play Scrabble. It was not good. Now it is obviously much, much better. So I think there’s going to be a blend. You’re going to get more content. No matter anyway you slice this, they will be more. And if you are at a company where say you have a lot of people and you’ve got some C and D players on the team, with AI you could probably bring them up to like B minus players. So the bar has a bare minimum with these tools. There is still plenty of room and plenty of opportunity for A players to shine, right? The A players on the team, those individual contributors who have superior skills, there will always be a place for them. But it’s everybody else is like, “Well, if you’re a C player, we probably don’t need your specific skills anymore because machines can operate at a B minus now.”
Michael: A couple thoughts. First of all, I am seeing some of our peers actually putting out job wrecks for people to manage AI for their business, right? These are the smaller businesses. In addition, we are dealing with an aging population and a low unemployment rate, at least here in America. And I wonder whether or not this is going to help potentially, I don’t know, I’m just thinking macro and micro. I wonder whether or not with a lot of people entering into retirement and stuff, whether or not AI is going to allow smaller teams to be more productive, where in the past they had to hire out and there was a limited supply. I’m curious what your thoughts are on all that.
Chris: That is very much the case for smaller, more nimble organizations. My company, Trust Insights, we’re three people. We carry a client load that should normally require 20 to 25 people to run because so much of our work is done by machines, both regular programming and AI. For those companies, those organizations that are nimble and that have technical talent to make the tools work better and faster together, yes, they will have multiplier effects to make them punch above their weight.
For larger companies, I think you will see more of that sort of the downsizing effect where you’ll see, okay, we can get efficiencies within these companies that reduce the number of total people needed. It will definitely change the competitive landscape. If you’re a marketer, I think the best expression I’ve heard of this is AI is not going to take your job. A person skilled with AI is going to take the job of a person who is not skilled with AI. That really is the essence of what’s happening. If you are skilled with these tools, you are a more valuable employee. You can do more stuff. You can do stuff faster. You can do stuff at a better minimum level of quality versus somebody who is not. That is probably what the roadmap for an individual person is. If you’re thinking like, “Oh my gosh, what’s this going to do to my career?” You have a mandate to at least get familiar with and learn these tools. Whenever disruptive technology comes out, this has happened with the internet when it first came out, learning HTML and learning how to do website coding, and then eventually with social media, understanding how to create content on the social platforms and game the algorithms and create content. Now the challenge is the pace at which it’s happening is extremely fast.
Michael: Would you agree with that?
Chris: Oh, for sure. Think about this. We had computers in 1955. Thirty years later, we had personal computers. Fifteen years later, we had smartphones. Ten years later, we’re now getting into things like artificial intelligence. The span of time which we have to adapt keeps getting shorter and shorter and shorter. If you go back a couple hundred years and you look at the industrial revolution, you went from having 50 people in a field working to today one farmer driving this massive combine that’s GPS powered and all that stuff. He’s sitting there listening to podcasts as his machines are going up and down fields. There is still a farmer as a role, as a job in society, but that farmer’s job today looks very different than it did 300 years ago.
The good news is we should be smart enough. Those of us that are listening to this, we’ve been through, we’ve lived through these waves of technological innovation, especially those of us that are a little more gray haired. We’ve seen what it was like before the internet. We now know we’re entering into this new era. Nothing ever lasts forever and that’s why we do these kinds of shows so that you who are listening can embrace this change and hopefully become more valuable to your prospects, your company, your clients, etc.
Michael: I think that’s a good transition into exploring some of the different use cases that you see today specifically start wherever you want to start with.
Chris: I think for marketers and for everybody, you need to understand the six fundamental use cases within generative AI, particularly with large language models like those with ChatGPT, Bard, Bing, et cetera. Those use cases are generation, extraction, summarization, rewriting, question answering and classification.
Let’s talk through each of these. So generation, everybody knows that is, hey, write me a blog post about Instagram tips, right? And the machines will spit that out and the better your prompt is, which is the plain English code that you are writing, the better the results you’ll get from generation. These are good at generation. They’re not great at it. They’re good.
The second category, which I think is really where they start to shine is extraction. Say I take a million tweets, right? And I just have this data I can use. I can write a prompt says, extract the Twitter handles from these tweets and compile them into a list and a model like GPT four will do that. We’ll present it in the format that I want. Extract some email addresses from this PDF and so on and so forth. These tools are very capable of extracting data out.
The third use case is summarization. This is one of my favorites. Summarization is you tell these machines summarize this, for example, this podcast episode, take the transcript from this podcast episode and summarize it. Tell me the five most important things that Chris and Mike talked about and it will spit out those things. My best favorite use case of this is I use a piece of software called Otter, which is a transcription audio transcription software. If you go to TrustInsights.ai/otter, you can see the whole thing. It’s real simple. You get a raw transcript. Now, of course, a lot of what we say as in speech is not grammatically correct. It’s not polished. There’s a lot of um and uh, you know, all those things. And that shows up in transcripts. You then take that transcript, give it to a service like ChatGPT and say, rewrite this to be grammatically correct. And suddenly that random foaming at the mouth you had is, is clean or it’s maybe it’s a conference call you had with the client. You say summarize this into meeting notes and action items and boom, instead of having a virtual assistant that you’re paying or, or, or clerical staff, you’re paying now. You’re just having a machine do this. I just did this earlier today with a client call and they gave me the five action items from that call, put them right into my to do list program. And boom, I was, I took that 45 minute client call and it within literally a minute and a half, I distilled it down and I was ready to start my workday. So the summarization is really one of those, those very powerful things.
The fourth area that they’re really good at is rewriting content. This is again, you know, taking a voice call where you’re kind of rambling and having it rewrite that into something that sounds better is an easy use case. One actually just put this up on LinkedIn the other day and that’s actually like half a million people have shared it. It’s crazy. I had this very terse note from Karen and accounting to Bob saying, Bob, the two months of invoices you left on my desk aren’t done. They’re not going to get done anytime soon because you can’t just do that. A bunch of profanity in it until there’s Bob. Oh F off. And then the prompt says rewrite this email on a professional tone of voice. And it comes out, uh, Bob, uh, dear Bob, uh, I regret to inform you that, you know, very formal professional tone. It’s a rewrite.
So if you are the kind of person who maybe you don’t have a lot of confidence in your writing, but you have a lot of confidence in your ideas, you can use these tools to do this. There’s a great use case of a person who wrote an app for a smartphone. He works with construction contractors and his one friend was dyslexic, very severely dyslexic, um, and would write very terse, kind of confused emails to clients and clients were not appreciative of it. He made this app, this app did exactly. I took those terse directions and reformatted it to a formal business email. And now clients are very happy with that. So, um, rewriting very powerful. You can even do silly stuff like take the blog posts that accompanies this episode and, and rewrite in Sumerian or emoji. These tools are capable of that.
The fifth area that is powerful is, uh, open is classification. So again, as we were talking about earlier, if you have a bunch of say tweets or emails in your, in your social media monitoring software, or, uh, maybe you even have podcast episodes you want to listen to them in the, from the past, you could have these tools, say you identify the top three topics this episode is about, and then you can sort through those listings and go, okay, I want to listen to these episodes. I could classify, uh, tweets by sentiment. Is this a positive sentiment, negative sentiment? Uh, what kind of social media comment is this? Is this a complaint? Is it a question? Uh, so these tools are very good at doing that kind of classification.
And the last one, this is where there’s major change happening is question answering. These tools are very capable of answering questions. Now they do have limits. For example, open AI’s family of tools, uh, have a time horizon. They don’t know anything after September of 2021 Microsoft Bing, Google’s barred. They don’t have those limitations. They, they are using a search engine data to power them, but they can answer very complex questions, questions that you might not get a concise answer out of a traditional search engine.
For example, uh, one of my favorite little tricks just for around the house is I’ll write out a menu for the week of the things I’m cooking for dinner and I’ll say to one of the models based on the list of these dishes, put together a probable grocery list for me and it will spit out all the ingredients for all the dishes, you know, with quantities like, okay, great. Now I can go to the grocery store and not have to spend 20 minutes going, well, look up this recipe. What do I need to buy? Nope. The tool gives me a good enough list that I can go shopping and save a lot of time.
Those six categories of use cases apply to everything in marketing, apply to everything in social media, apply to everything in customer care. They’re super, super powerful. That’s where marketers will see a lot of benefits.
Michael: What I’m most excited about is a couple of these classifications, a couple of these categories, summarization, rewriting and question answering. And I want to dig in on these a little bit.
I love the idea that like, for example, anybody who creates content, if you like have a transcript, right? You mentioned Otter, I think one of my team members has Otter show up to meetings with him, if I’m not mistaken, and it will like send notes on what the major points were in the meeting and stuff like that. It’ll even prompt, you know, people to ask questions in the meeting, which is kind of fascinating. We joke about it all the time because like, you know, we say, Joel, your Otter is in the meeting. I’m almost certain that’s what the tool is. But, you know, the summarization thing is kind of a big deal because when we are in a call, a company meeting or a client meeting, right, and there’s a transcript of it, there could be a whole bunch of stuff that was discussed and a whole bunch of rabbit trails that we can go down. And it’s hard for us as humans sometimes to remember all the things that were discussed. And the idea that you could have a tool that catches all these things could be a really big deal. Would you agree?
Chris: Absolutely. And the ability for it to then distill it down and assign it or at least to say like, hey, Mike is responsible for these things. These are things that Mike signed up to do. Depending on how good the transcriptives, if people have attributions to what they said, yeah, it’s super powerful and it’s a great way to deliver the kind of customer service that clients wish you would, but that we know because again, we have very human limitations about what we can remember. These tools are kind of like an outside brain.
Michael: Well, and you also have some people who are dyslexic like I am and struggle sometimes to read very long content. So and you know, some blog posts are like 20,000 words. I could totally see a tool that would say something along the lines of, hey, give me the talking points inside this blog post, right? I would imagine they already exist. Do they or don’t they? I’m just curious.
Chris: They absolutely do. They absolutely can do that. The tools do that. There are prompts for that. There are entire companies that are startups that are trying to do that. For those of us who have a bit more gray hair, you probably remember Cliff’s notes, right?
Michael: Of course, yeah.
Chris: This is basically these tools are basically Cliff’s notes for life.
Michael: They’re very good at this, right? This is one of the things that they’re, they generally get down really quite well, right? I mean, sometimes they’ll miss some of the important points I would imagine, right? Or do you find like they’re getting quite sophisticated?
Chris: For the current generation tools, they’re extremely good because you’re not asking them to create anything new. You’re actually asking them to take things away. And so they have all the data to start with and it’s much easier for them to remove than it is to create and add more. So the rewriting thing, I think, is also a really big opportunity for any of us who are in the business of creating any kind of written content, right? Like for example, emails. Like we did a fun little thing with ChatGPT4 where we asked it to create a, well, actually this is technically question answering and rewriting. We asked it to create a four week email campaign and we were going to send this many emails in week one, this many in week two, this many in week three, and this many in week four. And we said, how many? And we said, please come back with recommendations. And it said, here’s what you should send in week one. Here’s the subject line. Here’s what the topics might be. And it prepared the whole thing. And then we used ChatGPT to actually feed it a little bit of data, right? On what we thought it should have. And then it crafted emails. And then we went through this, like you talked about this editing process of refining it and refining it. And what I found was, as a writer, anybody who writes sometimes gets a creative stick where they’re blocked, they’re stuck, right?
Michael: And I feel like, I don’t know if rewriting or writing are the same thing, but I would imagine they kind of fall into the same classification here, creating content versus rewriting, or is it a different classification here?
Chris: They’re different functionally in these tools. They’re different, but you’re speaking more to a human thing, right? As writers, as creators, yeah, we get stuck. When a tool does generation for us, like you feed it two pages of a white paper and like, “Okay, continue from where I left off,” it will spit out something. And that flips your brain from writing mode to editing mode, which is often enough to get you past your writer’s block. Because you’re like, “No, no, no, that’s not what I was going to say.” Oh, that’s what it is. And so your brain’s back on track. Yeah.
Michael: Now, you mentioned there was a web browser extension for ChatGPT. Is that by a third party? Is that by ChatGPT? Do you know what the name of that extension is and what does it do? Does it allow you to bring in the outside web?
Chris: If you are in ChatGPT and you are in the paid program, the $20 a month program, ChatGPT+, you’ll see a little toggle. It says GPT-4 and a drop down menu that has two menus. One is web browsing and two is plugins. Plugins are third party extensions that are provided by other companies. It is probably the new app store for those who are in that kind of market. The web browsing one is built by OpenAI and it allows ChatGPT to go out, browse the web and pull data back in. Now, I have seen pictures of that, but I have not seen that for myself. Does one have to sign up for their alpha or beta program in order to be able to see that? Do you know?
As of three days ago, when we were at the day of recording this, it was open to everyone who’s a paying customer. So you have to go to your settings menu and turn on the beta stuff.
Michael: What does the plugins make possible?
Chris: Pretty much anything you can do on the web. So Kayak is in there for trip planning. Zapier is in there to connect it to these things. There’s a couple of extensions that people are doing to connect to stock market data. There’s actually a recent investigation done by a major investment firm. They took a stock portfolio, some back data and gave it to ChatGPT and said, pick some stocks and then they, because it was back data, they could see how their stock picks performed. It performed like 400% better than the market. And so now this firm’s like, so we’re just going to give this some real money now and see if it can keep making a 4X return on our money. But there’s about 40 extensions in there now and there are probably going to be 10X or 100X that if your company has already done stuff like built an app or built with APIs, it would behoove you to start looking at deploying an extension and getting it to open AI and get it through the approval process to be able to use it within their system. That’s one way that there’s a lot of marketing opportunity.
Michael: Okay. Is there any other, we’ve talked about how you can use AI, particularly ChatGPT to summarize information and to create information, maybe refine information. Is there any other marketing uses that we haven’t addressed that you’ve seen recently that maybe marketers might be like, oh, I hadn’t thought about that when it comes to generative AI?
Chris: So there’s a new model that’s not within the ChatGPT ecosystem. It’s from Mosaic ML called MPT Storywriter. One of the limitations of today’s models, the commercially available ones, is that they have a relatively limited frame of reference. They can create about 3000 words at a time, give or take. You’ve seen this in ChatGPT, if you’re like, stop writing in the middle of a paragraph and you have to type continue to get it going. MPT has released a model that is competitive to the GPT series, but can do 65,000 tokens at a time. So it could write 40,000 words all at once. So now you’re talking like business book length. So think about that from a rewriting use case. Imagine that you were wanting to write another business book and you have a bunch of audio that you recorded. That’s 30,000 words of rambling audio. You could, with the MPT Storywriter model, feed that in and say, “Okay, give me 30,000 words of coherent text now, please.” So we’re going to start seeing these tools be capable of very long-form content, much longer than it’s been generated so far. That I think is going to be a very interesting marketing opportunity for everyone.
Michael: Fascinating, first of all. To chat GPT, I know so many of us are using chat GPT for and are paid. The memory on it, when you create a new thread or whatever they call it, does it remember all the other stuff? Because this is the part where we think the AI is forever smart and remembers all the stuff we fed into it. But is there a limit to how long from your experience it’s going to remember before it has to be retrained in the prompts?
Chris: 8,192 tokens. So about 6,000 words it remembers. It has a roving memory window, so if you have a very long series of interactions, it sort of goes off the rails after a while.
Michael: Oh, interesting. Okay, so about 6,000 words. But what about if you come back to it like a day later? Is it going to remember what the discussion was inside of that?
Chris: Yeah, the thread will preserve what’s happened so far.
And then since you’re technical, if you’re using a tool that has an API integration, is it similar or is that not necessarily always the case?
So, with the OpenAI API for the GPT 3.5 Turbo model, which is the one that powers the default of ChadGPT, there is actually a section in your coding where you put in the previous responses. You feed them back to the software. So you have to do that. It’s costly, I would imagine, right? Because you’re feeding in bigger prompts or something like that.
Exactly.
Michael: Okay, so the API is not yet supporting four is what I’m hearing you say?
Chris: It is for some developers. You have to be enrolled.
Michael: Got it. Okay, so let’s talk about prompts. You mentioned earlier, this is kind of one of those secret weapons, like understanding how to actually engineer a prompt. Presuming we’re talking about ChadGPT because that’s the one that most people are familiar with. Any tips on how to give the system essentially the right kinds of information to get better output?
Chris: So all these models work essentially on the words you give them. They don’t have any words of their own. They all have mathematical probabilities of what it understands about how language works. So the more detailed your prompt is, the better result you’re going to get.
So we actually have a one page PDF, no registration, no forms to fill out. If you go to TrustInsights.ai/promptsheet, you’ll get the ChadGPT specific version of this. But it works out like this. There’s what’s called a role, which is you say you are a social media marketer, you know Instagram, Instagram stories, Instagram Reels, high performing Instagram posts. And there’s a task. Your first task is to generate five Instagram posts from the following background information. Then you provide your information like it must contain, you know, @SMExaminer, you know, mention the SMM24 hashtag and you give it a bunch of requirements. And then you sort of finish off the prompt saying write the Instagram posts. That structure of role, task, background, execute is the best format for ChadGPT to generate a high quality response for, particularly for generator responses.
Michael: Rook, okay. You’re going to pivot to something else because I have some clarifying questions, but go ahead and finish what you’re doing.
Chris: So real quick, every model is different. So if using Bard, what works for Bard will not necessarily work on ChadGPT, what works on Bing and so on and so forth. So you have to know the intricacies of each model that you’re working with.
Michael: Okay. So, so many of us have not done role and it still gets okay responses, right? So specifically, you are a, and you essentially substitute the role that you would be doing. Is that, is that what you mean?
Chris: In the context of what you want it to be doing. Yes.
Michael: Do you, what about the audience? Do you need to also identify who the target audience is? Like you are a marketer who is trying to attract XYZ audience and your task is blank. Does that make any sense or no?
Chris: I typically put audience stuff in the background information section.
Michael: And what’s the background information section? Cause you said role, task, and then…
Chris: Role task background execute is the…
Michael: Oh, the background. Okay.
Chris: That’s your requirements. So whatever it is, so if you’re having a right Instagram post, for example, you’d want to tell it which hashtags to use. You want to tell it whether or not it should use emoji in the text. You want to tell it what kind of imagery suggestions to make. You might have customer feedback in there, whatever information you have for this.
Now I will also say this, the prompt length depends on the kind of task. If you are doing generation, question answering, or extraction, you want longer prompts. If you’re doing summarization, rewriting, and classification, your prompts can be real short. Like for example, I have a one sentence prompt for Otter transcripts, fix grammar, spelling, punctuation, formatting, and spacing. That’s it. It doesn’t need anymore of that because it’s got all the information. Basic you said? What does basic mean?
Michael: No, I was saying for rewriting and summarization, you can have a one sentence prompt because you don’t need to know. I heard you, but you said you’re prompt, but you said against basic. That means I must know what the heck you meant by basic, right?
Chris: Oh, I don’t recall saying that, but okay. Fix grammar, spelling, punctuation, formatting, and spacing.
Michael: Oh, and spacing. Okay. I misheard you. Okay.
Chris: I heard and basic.
Michael: Okay. So getting these prompts really down specifically for anything that is question answering, right? Or generating something original is really, really important is what I’m hearing you say. Now when you’re in a thread specifically, since it does have a memory, if you have the paid account, you presumably only have to do that until it doesn’t remember. Or do you do that with every single one?
Chris: So here’s my recommendation. People should using the software of your choice, one note, ever note, Joplin, whatever you should have a prompt library of the best prompts that you found that work well and treat this with care. Remember what Andre Carpathi said, the hottest programming language in 2020 is English. These prompts are software. You’re writing software. This is possibly part of the secret sauce of your business. So don’t just go, Oh, look at this cool prompt I did on Twitter. It’s about giving away your source code, right? You don’t want to do that unless you’re doing intentionally. Be very careful. If you work at a company, you need to be thinking about, are we giving away company intellectual property and we shouldn’t be give remember that because it’s really important.
But for sure, you should have a prompt library of stuff that you work. And if you work within an organization, maybe there’s a shared document of some kind, a shared data system internally where you can store these things and people can trade them back and forth within a company so that you can maximize the productivity of these things give you.
Michael: Well, and I don’t know if you have done this, but sometimes you don’t like the output of it. So you ask it to rewrite it maybe in a casual voice because maybe you forgot to ask that the first time or maybe to rewrite it without mentioning certain kinds of things. I would imagine you can continue to refine the output until you really love it and then take what you learned and then put that into your next prompt. Is that fair?
Chris: You could do that. But if you have very technical resources, you can now start to scale it where you would take that prompt and you would send it to the API and say, okay, now write a thousand blog posts about this and things. This is a very popular thing that we do. We see a lot and we’ve done with our own SEO keyword list. We’ve written a prompt that has all the parameters for writing. And then we have the keyword list, which is in a data table. And then the ARC programming language, it goes through the keyword list and sends each keyword through and generates content for it. So you can now have machines taking your human prompts and just scaling them dramatically.
Michael: So just so we can kind of help everybody understand how they could do this on a text-based platform like Facebook or Twitter or LinkedIn, I would imagine you could say you’re a marketer working at company X, right? And that’s your company, right? And your task is to write a month’s worth of posts that are maybe like a hundred words or less, right? On this particular topic or to come up with 20 different questions, right? And then the background information is going to be, this is who the target audience is, right? This is who the audience is that we’re trying to attract with these kinds of questions. Now generate the output. Is that essentially, did I do that right? Is that kind of how we would do it?
Chris: That’s how you do it. And then like you said, you’re going to QA it, you’re going to refine it, you’re going to improve it over time. And then basically you just, at that point, put it to the test and see how it performs.
Michael: This is the analyst. I mean, like, do you, have you tested this stuff up against your stuff? And does the AI generated stuff tend to perform better for you when you’re using it?
Chris: It does not yet. Uh, generally, so we’ve done some A/B tests. I’ve actually taken existing blog posts I wrote in the past and had AI rewrite them and put up the exact same version, um, so that it gets crawled and stuff. And the performance has not been as good in terms of dwell time and in terms of discoverability. Now that might just, you know, that’s an N of one. So I would encourage anyone who’s interested in that to test it themselves, uh, because your results probably will differ. But the stuff you’re doing on LinkedIn, was that assisted by AI, the stuff that took off on LinkedIn that you were sharing earlier?
Michael: No, that was not. Okay. Well, I mean, the example was from chat GPT and stuff, but I didn’t chat. GPT did not originate that idea. That was just me being silly.
Chris: Got it. Okay, cool.
Michael: All right. So, um, where’s all this going? Um, let’s talk about like open source models and autonomous agents and stuff like, cause people are going to, their minds are probably going to be blown by some of this stuff that’s coming next.
Chris: Yeah. So we talked about the open source models. This is an exploding area right now. There are hundreds of models being built and designed and customized and deployed for free that you can download and use and tune to your own use cases. So if you, any piece of software that has even the modicum of complexity, I would expect software manufacturers to have a large language model interface that will allow you to chat with the software in the next three years or less. Any company that does not do that, they are behind the eight ball and they are asking to have their lunch eaten by a more nimble competitor because think about it. How complicated is Photoshop to use, right? It’s not a particularly user friendly piece of software for an amateur. Imagine taking a photo in there and say, and it’s all chat window pops and says, okay, colorize this photo, make it more dynamic and bright. Oh, and remove my ex.
Michael: Even better if you could talk to it instead of typing, right?
Chris: Exactly. Um, and so these open source models will now allow software manufacturers to do that without having to pay to open AI for every interaction because you can put that model straight in your software. So that’s going to enable a lot of innovation in the next couple of years. You’re going to see this stuff appearing everywhere. It’s already going to be in Microsoft office and Google docs and all the big tech, but pretty much any software manufacturer, I would expect to see this. So get good at prompt engineering because you’re going to be using an awful lot as a discipline.
The bigger area, which is fascinating and alarming is what’s called autonomous AI. And so this is where you have software that you give it a general goal and, uh, and maybe a starting task or two. And then it spins up multiple instances of these large language models and tries to solve this problem, uh, that you’ve given it. For example, I did a test said, I want you to go to my Twitter profile and figure out how to make me more popular on Twitter. How do I get more likes and retweets and things? And so it spun up 15 to 16 instances of AI agents started writing its own code to scrape Twitter to be able to identify Twitter handles and stuff like that. And essentially sort of assembly software solution that would let me identify what works on Twitter at the time the software runs. I can’t code in these languages, right? And it took the software a while to do it and it was, I would declare it a moderate success. It was not particularly, you know, a human social media manager, a social media strategist would have done a much better job. Um, but the fact is I was able to do that and just walk away from the software and let it do its thing for a few hours is pretty interesting.
The use cases for this, however, these tools are amoral. They have no morals. They have, they’re, they’re like chainsaws, right? They can be used for good or bad and there are plenty of examples of these tools being used in nefarious ways. You know, there’s, uh, there’s an example of, uh, I actually tried this on my website. Um, I told it, here’s the, my website’s login page, try to find a working login. And it started downloading things like, you know, known, you know, cracked password lists and stuff like, okay, clearly this tool has no restraints. So it can be a little hazardous. If you work in cybersecurity, your life has gotten a lot more complicated, but you have job security for a long, long time.
Michael: So what I’m hearing you say is these autonomous agents can be given a task and they’re just going to keep trying until they achieve their outcome. Is that really what I’m hearing you say?
Chris: That’s correct.
Michael: Wow. What’s the upside to that? I mean, like, I would imagine this could be used to do some really cool scientific discoveries as well, don’t you think?
Chris: Absolutely. Think about it. Stuff like, you know, take the, the RNA sequencing on the spike protein of a COVID virus, right? That’s just text. It’s just four letters, A, G, C, and U. You can write models that can interact with that data, just like, you know, it’s interacting with a blog post and have it do predictions, have it do estimations and things. So yeah, there’s a tremendous amount of power in these tools and like any, any powerful tool you can do great things with it. You can do bad things with it. And what the outcome is depends on who’s using the tool.
Michael: Well, Chris, we have clearly just barely scratched the surface of this fascinating frontier. Like people want to learn more about everything that you’ve got going on. Which social platform do you want to send them to and, and where do you want to send them if they want to learn more about your company and all the great things you’ve got going?
Chris: So for the company, go to TrustInsights.ai. For me and my weekly newsletter where I cover a lot of AI stuff, go to ChristopherSPenn.com. And we have some courses, not, no AI courses yet, because by the time the course is done, it’s out of date. But we have some regular courses at academy.trustinsights.ai. The one that I would point people to is we have a free one called Power Up Your LinkedIn Profile, where we looked at the AI behind LinkedIn and how it works and make recommendations to what you should be doing personally on LinkedIn to kind of adhere to the way that their AI works.
Michael: Chris Penn, thank you so much. Really appreciate your time today. Like I’m, I’ve got a bunch of rabbit trails I need to go down now.
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Almost Timely News: Data Analyst Career Questions (2023-07-09)
My friend Rhino sent me a bunch of questions. She asked if I could answer some questions about a career in data analysis. So let’s go through these questions one by one and give the best answers we can.
What is the typical day of a data analyst?
There’s absolutely no such thing in data analysis. If you’re working at any kind of company where you are doing real analysis, meaning you’re not just copy-pasting and making PowerPoint stuff, you’re actually analyzing, you’re actually studying and trying to understand data, you don’t have a typical day because any number of things are going to come across your desk. It could be email open rates, it could be employee retention rates, it could be random stuff like the CEO asking you to analyze the stats of their kid’s softball team.
There is no such thing as a typical day. There are typical tasks within days. You will do a lot of tasks: data cleaning, data extraction to some degree, exploratory data analysis. You’ll do a lot of that. You’ll produce analyses, which is different than doing analysis. Producing analyses is data storytelling and data communication, where you are given a whole bunch of information and you have to order it, you have to make some sense out of it, create a narrative from it, and then be able to deliver that to stakeholders in a way that they understand.
That is one of the hardest tasks you will have as a data analyst: trying to figure out what am I supposed to say to this person? What is it that will provide them benefit? So that’s really one of the more challenging parts of your typical day. But in terms of the breakout of tasks, I would expect you to spend 80% of your time cleaning and preparing data. That is the truth about most data analysis. Most data analysis is a lot of data cleaning. So be ready for that.
What languages do you primarily use? And do you have recommendations on what order to learn them? I hear Excel is good to start.
Excel is not a language. Excel is a software package. There are escalating levels of analysis from the most straightforward, I would call them consumer-facing apps all the way up to the hardcore technical. So I would say, first, yes, learn a spreadsheet package. Excel is sort of the gold standard. Google Sheets is another one that is extremely good. They do differ. They do differ in a lot of ways. Google Sheets is free, and B, Google Sheets offers a lot of internet integrations, being able to pull data from the web that Excel does not. On the other hand, Excel’s programming language, Visual Basic, is very robust. Google Sheets has its own. They use a form of JavaScript. So you can do a lot in Excel. There’s a tremendous amount that you can do within Excel, for data sets less than a million rows. Excel is a fantastic tool for doing that exploration.
The one thing that is challenging to do in Excel, which is why I don’t use it a whole lot, is fully automating it so that it is productized almost. I use the programming language R for that. So once you’ve got the hang of Excel, then you want to start digging into BI tools. So we’re talking about things like Tableau or Power BI. These tools are designed for more sophisticated analysis of data and more for the publishing of data. So creating dashboards and things that you want to be able to share with stakeholders. Many companies have Power BI because it is a version of it that is included with Office 365. So if you have Microsoft Office 365, you have some version of Power BI already. Tableau itself comes in like three different versions: desktop edition, there’s an internal server that you can run on your company’s hardware, and then there’s Tableau Cloud. I happen to really like Tableau. I think it’s a very good piece of software that has a good interface that makes rapid ad hoc analysis easy. But it has no automation capabilities, or very, very few. And as a result, if you have to prepare the same analysis over and over again, like monthly reporting every month, it’s not as good at that.
There are more specialized data processing and analysis tools. Alteryx is one that is, shall we say, reassuringly expensive, but it is very, very capable. And then you get into the heavy tools, the big tools. You’re talking about IBM’s SPSS, which is both a language and an interface. There’s Python and the Jupyter Notebook. There is R and RStudio. I use R and RStudio because that’s where my brain works. My brain deals better with R than it does Python, although in terms of languages to program in for data analysis, Python is the most widely used. And it is the one that is used by a lot of AI tools. So you should have some fluency in it.
R is a statistical programming language. So it does a lot of the same machine learning and AI. You can do a tremendous amount with it, but it is not as well-integrated as Python. I don’t like Python syntax. I think Python syntax is dopey, particularly using indents to control loops. I just know, I like to have explicit declarations, you know, braces on stuff. But I also grew up in a period of time when, you know, I learned C as my first programming language. Actually, that’s not true. I learned BASIC as my first programming language.
Those are the languages that I would recommend. You will, as you move up in your career, you will still use the other tools along the way. It’s not like you use Excel, you learn Excel, and then you forget about Excel when you move on to R or Python. You will be using these tools a lot, particularly when stakeholders ask you for data in some format that they can manipulate, which is usually either a PowerPoint slide or a doc or an Excel spreadsheet. So those would be my suggestions. More important than the tools is understanding the processes, right, understanding how to do data analysis.
Do you recommend a paid certification course as an in-person or are Google certificates sufficient to start building a portfolio?
It depends on what kind of data analysis you want to do because data analysis is a very broad field. Any industry that has data has the ability to have data analysis in healthcare, law enforcement, the military, marketing, sales, customer service. If there’s data, there’s a need for data analysis. In terms of courses, I would take a strong look at data analyst courses and data science courses. There are a number Google has some through Coursera, which I believe is like $49 a month. IBM has a bunch for free at CognitiveClass.ai. There’s a whole data science and data analysis track that I would recommend. I think it’s a really good setup. And even though they approach some of the programming side of things in a way that I find less optimal, the basics are still good, the foundations are still good there. So I would say if you want to start for free, use Cognitive Class. If you want to get something that is a paid certification, the Coursera one from Google, the Google data analysis course is a very good course.
In marketing specifically, there is the Google Analytics certification, the Google Analytics certification course and that is also free. That shows that you can pass Google’s course. It’s kind of like a college degree. It shows you can pass a college course. It does not necessarily mean you’re proficient, but it means you have a baseline or what I call minimal competence with Google tools. I think that’s very important. Other courses and other certificates really depend on how much money you want to spend.
Certifications, in general, are good early in your career. They’re differentiators from someone who doesn’t have that skill, but everything really depends on what you can actually do. Someone who’s got a really solid background of certifications, yeah, they can pass tests. That doesn’t mean they know what they’re doing. That doesn’t mean that they can use the skills they have in an intelligent way. They’ve proven they can do the basics – but can they think in the way that your company needs them to think? And that’s not something that you can get from certification. You need a track record, experience for that.
How in demand is data analyst as a job?
It depends. It depends on the industry, and things are really changing in the industry as generative AI gets better and better. And you see tools like the ChatGPT code interpreter, which is really a data analysis tool, among other things. The field is changing very rapidly to the point where you still need data analysis skills, but you may not necessarily need specific technical skills as much. If you can use ChatGPT code interpreter to build a Python script and have that Python script execute and run properly, you can build a toolkit of stuff very, very quickly that can process data rapidly and correctly.
The value you bring to the table, isn’t the writing of the code. It’s the ideas and how you think about code and how you think about data. That’s what’s important and what’s coming out of your head. Because just asking a tool like code interpreter, “Hey, give me a regression analysis on this data set.” Like, yeah, anyone can do that. But thinking through, well, what does a regression analysis mean? Or what does the Y intercept on this thing mean? Or what should I do next with this information?
That’s where the value is in what a data analysis person does. It’s not the ability to process the data. It’s the ability to tell somebody, “Here’s what this means. And possibly, here’s what you should do about it.” It’s like knowing that it’s raining out. The analysis is, “It’s raining out. You might want to get an umbrella.” That’s the difference between being a processor of data versus an analyst. And a lot of people in the career don’t do that second part. They just are good at the processing part. And again, you need those skills. But it’s not enough to prove your value, particularly in an era where the skills portion, the processing portion is being consumed more and more by AI.
If I really like coding for math purposes and the logical side of coding, is this a good career choice for me?
Yes. If you are comfortable with coding and you can think logically and you can, more importantly, understand how to talk to machines, this is a very good career choice because you’re going to do a lot of that, right? You’re really, in some ways, a communicator to two different sets of stakeholders. One, the machines. And that includes prompt engineering and generative AI for data analysis. And the other is humans and how to do data storytelling and tell people, “Here’s what’s happening in your data.” If you can do both of those things, you have a very, very valuable skill set, even if you are a little weak maybe on the specific technical stuff. These days, between AI and YouTube and Stack Overflow, there really isn’t any technical problem that you can’t overcome or you can’t get an immediate answer for from the tools and the data that’s out there. The tools, the information that’s out there.
What are some stressful parts about the job?
Oh, we could spend a lot of time on this. A lot of people ask for analysis and then never use it, right? They say, “Give me an analysis of our churn rate.” And then you toil over it and hand it off. And then they don’t make any decisions with data. A lot of people like to say that they’re data-driven, “Our company is data-driven”, “I’m a data-driven executive”.
Someone who is data-driven makes decisions with data first, even if they disagree with it. That is very rare. Most of the time, people make decisions with data only when they agree with the data because they’ve already made their decision. And they just want something to rationalize it. So a big part of the stress of the job is seeing a lot of your work not being used, right? Especially if it’s bad news. One of the things that we tell our customers, and we warn our customers, but in the prospecting stages, it’s a question as part of our intake, is how comfortable are you with bad news? How comfortable are you hearing answers that you don’t like? And are you willing to make changes and make decisions even when you disagree or even when the data makes you look bad?
There aren’t a lot of people like that. Very famously, the co-CEO of Netflix, Ted Sarandos, was going around for years telling people, “Oh, Netflix is a data-driven company.” And then in an interview in 2018, he goes, “Yeah, 70% of our decisions, we just make by gut. And then we rationalize these decisions with data.” I’m like, so you’re not really data-driven. If that’s how you treat data, you’re not data-driven. You’re not even data-informed at that point. You are manipulating the data to back up the decisions that you already made.
The other one, and this happens less rarely now than it used to, but it is still a problem, particularly at some companies and things, you will have stakeholders who will essentially custom order data. They will say, “I want data that shows this,” which is, depending on the severity of what this is, could just be outright lying. And so the question is, how comfortable are you? A) saying no to that person, or B) are you willing to cross ethical boundaries to do what you’re told to do? Because stakeholders, presumably someone who has that role power within a company to say, “Make me this thing,” even if this thing is wrong. How comfortable are you with that?
That can be very, very stressful dealing with people like that. Now, in my current company, which is a company I co-own with my partner and CEO Katie Robert, if we hear a stakeholder say that, and we attempt to educate them, and it doesn’t stick, then we say, “You know, we need to part ways because we’re not going to lie. And we’re just not going to violate our own ethics to tell you an answer that you already want. Just say that this is what you want and ignore the data at that point.” But those are some of the things that I think are really challenging.
I took computer science for two years in college before switching majors. Should I continue to pursue that for a better chance at data analysis?
Computer science is a different profession. If you enjoy computer science, if you enjoy coding for the sake of coding itself to create and make stuff, do that. But that field is changing even faster because generative AI, again, turns out generative AI is really good at writing code, like really good, better in some ways than generating language because a lot of code is commodity content and AI systems are really good at that. So that is a field that is having a reckoning of its own. That is a field that is very challenged right now in some ways. And so if you like that field, pursue it. But computer science and data analysis are not the same thing. So be aware of that. Data analysis, you’re going to spend a lot of time on mathematics, on statistics, on logic. And computer science is a lot of logic, but the math and stats parts are not as heavily used as the logic, creation, and ideation for writing software.
Does a certificate from an accredited university, such as the University of Washington, look better than an online certificate?
Depends on who’s looking. There are some folks who will look at a credential from a known body like IBM, Google, or Facebook, and to them, that carries more weight than a university. In other cases, depending on the person, they may think that a university has more gravitas than a corporate entity. It depends. I would say balance it based on cost.
But it’s really about the results you can generate. At the end of the day, that’s all anyone cares about. Can you do the job that is asked of you? Can you do it well? Can you do it in a timely fashion? And is it correct? When the analysis is done, is it correct and useful? How you get there, by certificate, by degree, by whatever, really doesn’t matter.
Expect some jobs to have interviews which are, in part, exams. Here’s a problem, solve this problem. Here’s a table of data, interpret this data, describe the visualization that you would use to communicate this data clearly. So it’s going to be more practical knowledge anyway because that’s what you’re facing within an industry.
How important is the portfolio to landing your first data analysis job?
Very unimportant in a lot of ways because people don’t typically have them. But they are impressive if you have something you can showcase and speak to. For example, if you have Tableau dashboards you’ve published on Tableau Public, that’s good. Be able to explain how you did it. If you have a shiny app that you built in R or a Python web app or a Jupyter notebook that’s interactive, showcase that.
But then be ready to defend it and be honest about it. Because the only thing worse than lying about stuff in an interview is lying about stuff in an interview and then getting hired for that and on day one of the job, proving that you lied and were completely incompetent. You want to represent your skills well, but you want to represent your skills accurately. This is what you’re capable of. And yes, you can and should be constantly learning, but don’t sign up for things that are way outside your skill set.
What kinds of projects should you include in a portfolio?
Data projects showcased in a portfolio are really data storytelling. So tell stories in a variety of formats: in Word documents, PowerPoint slides, dashboards in Looker Studio, Tableau Public, Excel spreadsheets—anything that shows, “I can take a data set and process it. I can take a data set and do the job with it.” Ideally, it’s a variety of types of data and a variety of analyses. And there’s so much free data online. If you go to data.gov, you can find a ton of data. Go to Kaggle. Kaggle has data sets you can download and then do some interesting visualizations and tell some interesting stories about the data and what you see. That’s where the value is.
What kinds of remote opportunities are there for this job?
A ton. Data analysis is obviously something that, as long as you have the right compute resources, you can pretty much do from anywhere and on most devices, right? If you have an environment like Google Colab, you can run that in a browser on your phone (though you shouldn’t), but you could run it on your phone or your tablet. So there’s a lot of opportunities.
The place where you will need to be in person typically is when you’re doing presentations of the data. But even there, you can do it remotely. For example, with many Trust Insights clients, we will record videos and ship the video along with the report as a video walkthrough, so that the client can experience it at their convenience. This is really useful for clients with many stakeholders in meetings. If you have a meeting with 20 people, getting 20 people to agree on a time is very difficult. But if you hand them a 30-minute video and then say, “Email me the questions,” everybody can do that on their own time. It’s also useful for clients in substantially different time zones. For example, we have some Australian clients, and we do a lot of video communication because they’re offset exactly 12 or 13 hours from our clock. So when we’re awake, they’re asleep, and vice versa. But that video allows you to work remotely with them and be successful.
What should I expect as a starting salary (realistically)?
Starting salaries for data analysts are all over the board. It depends on where you’re located and the cost of living there. It depends on the company and their needs, as well as your skill sets and the job requirements. You’ll see salaries in wild bands, ranging from USD40,000 to USD140,000, depending on the needs and what you bring to the table. So it’s pretty wild. In the metro Boston area where I live, it’s around USD65,000 to USD70,000 to start if you have about a year’s worth of experience.
If you had to start over in data analysis again, what would you realistically do differently or focus on learning more?
That’s a good question. I don’t know that I would do anything different. If I was starting today, I would spend almost all my time with generative AI because that’s where things are going. I would learn how to code so that I can inspect the output of the AI tools. But I would be heavily investing my time in generative AI and tools like GitHub Copilot and ChatGPT’s code interpreter and BARD and stuff. Because 90% of the code you write is going to be commodity code, and these tools are really good at it.
Your skill, the value you bring, is not in writing code. It is in knowing what to ask of the tools and knowing how to communicate with stakeholders. I would take a class or a course or study in communicating well. Two books I would recommend are “Find the Red Thread” by Tamsen Webster and “Steal the Show” by Michael Port. These are two books that are really about public speaking, to a large degree, but also about how to distill down ideas and communicate them clearly. Because that is a really important skill that a lot of data analysis courses don’t teach you. The same goes for presentations. I’m trying to remember who wrote the book, but “Presentation Zen” is a good book on how to make compelling slides. Because a lot of your output will be in that format. And how do you communicate intelligently? How do you tell a story?
What is the most interesting part of my job?
Finding new problems to solve. Finding interesting problems to solve. We have a little bit in the newsletter later on this, but the Save Warrior Nun campaign that I joined up on did for free. But it was really interesting because it was problems in a different domain, in the entertainment industry, which is not something I typically do a lot of work in. The ability to explore and test out new tools. All the time, there are tools like R packages or Python packages that are coming out that offer new capabilities. It’s kind of like the holidays. It’s like getting a new gift for the holidays, like, “Oh, here’s something else to try out. Here’s something that was really interesting or might solve a problem in a different way.”
Generative AI has been huge for the work that I do because it allows me to move faster, deliver better quality work, and make sure that I’m not missing things. So to me, that’s always the fun part. If you are a curious person, and I would argue that that is one of the most important core personality traits to have as a data analyst, if you are a curious person, there is no shortage of problems that need analysis that you can help out with. And in turn, you can level up your skills beyond what you’re normally doing in your day-to-day work.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that if you’re not currently employed as a data analyst, volunteering for nonprofits or not-for-profit causes is a great way to level up those skills. Because you will face real-world problems, but you will be able to do it your way and do analyses that are different and more interesting.
And finally, the last question: What kind of networking should I do to land a job?
Go where people hang out and contribute to conversations, right? Read people’s commentary, particularly on apps like LinkedIn, about the topic. Learn from them, and where you can contribute, offer a perspective. Regardless of where you are in your career, everyone theoretically has some unique perspective to offer because you are an individual person.
Networking is really about just getting to know people. It’s getting to know people, being helpful when you can, listening way more than you talk, observing. And look for patterns in people that you can then leverage to make connections and provide value. My friend Chris Brogan says any opportunity to be helpful is an opportunity to earn money or, in this case, find a job. So any place that you can be helpful is a place where you can make connections.
Volunteering for causes and nonprofits, particularly something you know, the organic movements. You’ll get in touch with a lot of different people, people that you would not expect to be in touch with. The person who submitted these questions, we met through the Save Warrior Nun campaign. This is a movement that attracted tens of thousands of people, thousands of people in the Discord servers for this. And they’re from all walks of life. That’s networking.
Networking is not going to awkward mixers and standing around looking at all these other people. I mean, that is networking too, but to me, it’s not as impactful as showing up, volunteering, and doing the work alongside other people. Prove that you have value to offer, prove that you can do the thing. Other people who are in that situation are watching. They’re watching, in some cases, even scouting. You go into a Slack community or a Discord community, and there’s a need, an opportunity to help. You jump in, you help, and all the other people who are watching go, “That person knows what they’re doing. They’re helping out, and what they’re producing is good quality, even if it’s basic.”
One of our mutual friends, Jereczko, does hourly analysis of the Save Warrior Nun tags and trends on social media. And what she’s doing is not super complicated. She’s not writing advanced Python code. She’s doing a lot of data summarization things. But the work she’s doing is regular, reliable, and correct. As a result, people like me look at that and go, “She’s got the right skills, the right soft skills. She’s persistent, she’s dedicated, she’s on time, she gets the work done without anyone asking her to do it. That self-motivation is really valuable.”
So when you can volunteer, you can prove your value through the work you do, through your efforts. That beats any other kind of networking to me because you’re essentially auditioning for a job. And that audition is providing real value to someone. But it is proving, it is showing, and not telling. Showing, not telling. That’s the best kind of networking.
So that was a lot of questions. But they’re good questions. I think they’re important questions. Hence why this newsletter issue is a little bit different. So thanks for the questions, Rhino.
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What’s On My Mind: Getting Started With Generative AI 101
A friend was telling me yesterday that her therapist – her THERAPIST – was suggesting she “get good at this AI stuff”, in the context of a discussion about career. Imagine that. Naturally, my friend – as well as many, many other folks – have said, “Okay, so where do I start?”
Where do you start? There are a ton of different frameworks you can use to plot a journey through AI, but the one that makes the most sense for the average person is the why/what/how. For the average business, it’s the Trust Insights 5P framework. Since this is in the context of one friend at a personal level, let’s use the personal one, and we can tackle the business one another time or in the Trust Insights newsletter, INBOX INSIGHTS.
So, why/what/how. Why do you care about AI? Why SHOULD you care about it? What is AI? And how do you get started? Let’s dig into each of these three topics. We’re going to specifically address generative AI, which is the most accessible and useful form of AI for the average, non-technical person. Recall that there are three big categories of AI – prediction, classification, and generation; generation is what we’re talking about today.
Why should you care about generative AI?
Not because it’s the cool shiny object right now, or because your therapist told you to. Not because it helps businesses make stuff better, faster, and cheaper. Not even because it’s going to cost thousands, if not millions of jobs in the big picture. The primary reason to care about AI is a simple truth, across professions and industries. AI isn’t going to take your job. A person skilled with AI will take the job – or jobs – of people not skilled with AI.
Why specifically should you care? In general, generative AI is about making stuff, either net new stuff or derivatives of existing stuff. If any part of your work involves making stuff – from writing emails to putting together ads to composing songs – then getting a handle on what generative AI can and cannot do is critically important. You need to know what parts of your job you’ll still need to do (like showing up to meetings) and which parts AI can and should do (like writing up meeting notes from all those meetings).
Here’s a simple guideline: if a task is repetitive and involves creating something (like a weekly recap email to your boss), it’s a good candidate for AI to assist or outright do. Think about all the tasks you do at work. How many of them fit in this category? This is the first and most important thing to do. If you literally have nothing on your task list that fits in this category, then there might not be as much urgency to adopt AI, but it will be something you have to contend with eventually.
For example, Microsoft is rolling out its Copilot generative AI integration into Microsoft Office later this year. This brings up a plain language prompt in Office that allows you to do things like say, “Convert this spreadsheet into a written narrative” or “Make a slide presentation from this memo”, as well as more conventional generative tasks like “Help me write this email to the staff telling them they’re all fired”.
Even relatively straightforward tasks like writing an agenda for a meeting are fair game for AI to help you. Google’s Duet is the Copilot equivalent for Google Docs and Gmail. And AI will be in nearly every software package you use for every job. It’s already in tools like Adobe Photoshop, Hubspot’s CRM, Salesforce, Unity’s video game development engine, and so many more.
What exactly is generative AI?
Okay, so we understand the importance of generative AI. Now let’s talk about what the hell this stuff is. Generative AI comes in two flavors because of their fundamental architectures, transformers and diffusers. Transformers are found and used mostly in language generation, with software called large language models. When you use services like Google Bard or ChatGPT, you are using transformers. Diffusers are found and used mostly in image generation, with software called diffusion models. When you use services like DALL-E, Stable Diffusion, or Midjourney, you are using diffusers.
How these two architectures work is fairly complex, but here’s a simplified explanation. Let’s say we want to be able to make pizza. If we’re using transformers and large language models, the companies that make these models go out and eat a whole bunch of pizza. They try pizza from all over the world and in every variation they can find. They take notes on each pizza as they eat them. When they’re done, and done being very sick from overeating, they assemble their notes into a cookbook. That cookbook is the transformer – and when someone asks for a pizza, they can reference their notes and make a pizza that fits what someone asks for. This includes pizzas they’ve never heard of before, because they’re smart enough to understand if someone wants a gluten-free mushroom and popcorn pizza, they can still assemble it based on the logic of past pizzas they’ve tried. That’s how transformers work – they ingest a huge amount of text and then try to guess what words they should spit out based on the instructions we give and the text they’ve seen in the past.
If we’re using the diffusers model, the companies that make these models still go out and eat a bunch of pizza, but when someone asks for a new pizza, what they do is throw pretty much every ingredient on the dough and then refine it. They add stuff, remove stuff, change ingredients, change amounts, until they arrive at a pizza that most closely resembles the pizzas they’ve tried in the past. That’s why diffusers work really well with images; they start by throwing all the pixels into the mix and slowly refine it, adding and removing pixels until the image looks like what we asked for, like a dinosaur sipping on a cocktail and reading a newspaper.
Both models perform the same fundamental two tasks: comparison and generation, or more simply put, editing and writing/creating.
For example, diffusers in images can create net new images based on a prompt, like the dinosaur sipping on a cocktail and reading a newspaper. But they can also do tasks like inpainting, where they change part of an existing image, or outpainting, where they extrapolate the rest of an image from a portion you give them.
Transformers can generate new text like memos, blog posts, etc. as well as answer questions like, “Where in Prague can I get a really good steak?” with a high degree of success. They can also perform tasks like summarizing large amounts of text, rewrite text, extract information from text, and classify text by attributes like sentiment or tone of voice.
Generally speaking, AI models are better at tasks that are editing tasks like inpainting or summarizing text because there’s less data needed to generate the results than there is with creative tasks like writing a new blog post or making a brand new image from a prompt. As you evaluate your list of tasks that you’d want to use AI for, think about whether the task is an editing task or a creating task. Writing an email newsletter each week is a creative task (though I still write this one by hand, because I haven’t had time to fine tune a model on my exact voice). Summarizing the meeting notes from a client call is an editing task.
So now you’ve got sort of a basic decision tree. Are you working with text or images? And are you doing editing or creating? That leads us to the third question: where do we get started?
How do you get started with generative AI?
Inevitably, the first question people ask once they wrap their heads around AI is which tools they should be using. Imagine, once you learn the existence of and utility of cooking, immediately starting by asking which appliances you should be using. To some degree, that makes sense, but it makes more sense to learn the broad types of cooking and then understand the ingredients, tools, and recipes for those types. Running out to buy a blender with no idea of what you’re going to make is going to yield unpleasant results if you then realize all you have in the refrigerator is chicken wings.
By spending time cataloging the tasks you do as image or text-based, and then whether you are doing editing or creating tasks, you are setting the groundwork for being successful with AI. There are hundreds of new AI vendors popping up every week, and for the most part, they all do more or less the same things. Everyone’s got the same foundational models to start from that they’ve done some tuning on, or they’re just using someone else’s model. Some services have a better UI than others, some have better customer support than others, but they are all using some form of transformers or diffusers if they’re offering generative AI.
That means that at least early on in your AI journey, you can ignore the vendors and the hype while you get your feet wet. You’re not missing out on anything critical while you master the basics. And where do you master the basics? You start with the free foundational tools.
For transformers and large language models, the best place to start as long as you’re not working with sensitive or confidential information is OpenAI’s ChatGPT.
These two tools have the lowest barrier to entry, the lowest cost, and have some of the best basic capabilities.
Once you’re successful with these tools, then start looking at more specialized tools, vendors, and platforms.
The first skill you’ll need to learn is prompt engineering, which is essentially just programming these software models using plain English language.
For transformers and large language models, the general template you want to use is role / task / background / action. Download my cheat sheet here for more details on why. For example, if I wanted ChatGPT to write a memo telling staff not to microwave fish in the breakroom microwave, I might prompt it like this.
You are an executive assistant. You know how to communicate diplomatically, handle difficult situations, manage confrontation, set expectations. Your first task is to write a memo asking staff not to microwave fish in the breakroom microwave. Some background information: fish is very difficult to clean the smell. Fish dishes can be heated using the induction plate in the breakroom. Many staff do not enjoy the smell of fish, and it can cling to other foods. Be considerate of your fellow workers. Write the memo in a professional tone of voice.
You put this into ChatGPT, inspect the results, and either tweak the prompt or just polish the results by hand:
For diffusers and image generation, prompts look a lot more stilted because of the way diffusers work. They almost read similar to how captions read on famous artworks, like this one:
Title: The Abduction of Europa
Creator: Rembrandt Harmensz. van Rijn
Date Created: 1632
Physical Dimensions: w78.7 x h64.6 cm
Type: Painting
Medium: Oil on single oak panel
If you were to write a prompt for a system like Bing Image Creator, you might write something like:
A redheaded woman riding across a river on a white horse while local villagers look on in shock from the riverbank, oil painting, Renaissance, in the style of Rembrandt, highly detailed, finely details, oil on oak panel
Here’s what the Bing Image Creator made:
In general, for image generation, you write the subject first with as much detail as you can manage, following by the format, then the style with as many relevant modifiers (like oil on oak panel or 35mm film) after. Why such a weird format? Diffusers were basically trained on captions of images, including those of artworks. Thus, it’s no surprise that prompts formatted similar to how artworks are described tend to work well.
Your next step is to take your task list of highly repetitive tasks and start writing prompts to see how to accomplish those tasks with generative AI.
Obviously, there’s quite a bit more we could cover and absolutely absurd amounts of detail we could go into about all the technologies, use cases, dangers, and implications, many of which are in my talk about generative AI, but this is a good starting point, a good way to get going.
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In today’s episode, Blake prompts an insightful conversation about the nuanced differences between various language models such as GPT-3, GPT-4, and others. I explain the key distinction between models and interfaces, using the analogy of a car’s engine and its features. While these models differ in size and complexity, I emphasize the evolving trend towards more specialized models catered to specific tasks. Tune in to gain a clearer understanding of these powerful tools and how to leverage them based on your needs. Let’s decode the mysteries of AI together!
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You Ask, I Answer: Differences Between Large Language Models?
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In today’s episode Blake asks what are the appreciable differences between models like GPT three and GPT four or Bard or Bing or or whatever? Okay Let’s make sure we’re clear on terms first.
There are models and their interfaces.
So chat GPT is an interface Google Bard is an interface Microsoft Bing is an interface Adobe Photoshop is an interface underneath those are the language models themselves like GPT three GPT three point five GPT four llama, Vakuna stable LM Think of these things as the engines right in a car You know That’s what the model is the engine the interface is the steering wheel and the radio and the seatbelt and all that stuff You can have Different engines in a car that looks the same right so you can have if you ever bought a car You know that you can get like 15 different models of the of a car you get a Prius with This type of engine or this type of engine or this type of engine and so on and so forth the differences in models as largely these days a as of mid 2023 is on model size and complexity So GPT three had something like what 50 billion parameters? GPT three point five had like 175 billion and GPT four has not been disclosed but guesses in the industry between 500 and a trillion parameters Remember that Parameters and weights when we talk about models if a model was a pizza the parameters What kind of ingredients are on the pizza and the model weights or how much of each ingredient is on the pizza? Google bar uses the Google’s internal palm to model which has like 500 billion parameters.
I think five 170 Bing uses GPT for a version of GPT for and This will become more important as we see more open source models Over that over time and we see more fine-tuned models because bigger isn’t necessarily better For general purpose models like the ones used by chat GPT where you have people doing everything from writing song lyrics to Composing poetry to writing, you know marketing content Yeah, you need a really big model because you need a lot of variety in there so that it can make the things that people request but the evolution of these tools is to becoming more specialized as well So you might have a model there’s one called Karen the editor that is just tuned to do grammar correction It doesn’t do anything else can’t really it does a very poor job of writing poetry but it can correct the heck out of your fiction and so You will want to know not necessarily the technical details of each model But what it’s good what it’s good for like what it’s good at.
What are what are its weaknesses? What should you not use a model for a? Specific bottle and that like I said, it’s going to get more varied and diverse over time as people start specializing more and more Of these things for example Bloomberg GPT is Bloomberg’s internal model that they use inside their terminal It probably can’t write song lyrics, but boy can it pick stocks, right? Because it has 41 years of terminal data that was trained on to help analysts analyze stocks better Your company may someday have a custom model trained on your data That answers questions really well about your company and its data and its history, but probably can’t do poetry Or if it does it will do it very poorly so those are the appreciable differences today and the expected differences you can expect in the next couple of years as more and more specialization occurs as more Diversity and variation occur as more people build models for very specific custom purposes You’ll want to know what each model does you don’t have to know the exact specs But you should know that you know, this model is good for this kind of task.
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In today’s episode, Brian sparks an intriguing discussion about the potential risks, such as hallucinations or incorrect responses, associated with large language models. I delve into how these models, despite their complex architecture, are essentially involved in a word guessing game, which can lead to unpredictable responses. I underscore the importance of supervision, subject matter expertise, and fact-checking when using these models. Tune in to learn more about this crucial, often overlooked aspect of AI tools. Let’s make the digital world safer and more reliable together.
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In today’s episode, Brian asks regarding inherent risks, you talked about privacy bias and copyright when it comes to large language models, what are hallucinations or potential incorrect responses? Well, yes, of course, that’s, that’s always a risk.
models, large language models in particular, can hallucinate, they can come up with incorrect information.
And the reason for this is because they don’t have any reasoning capability, not really.
There is reasoning that kind of happens as a result, when a model is very large, the just the nature of the interlinking probabilities creates a reasoning like emergent property.
But for the most part, at the end of the day, all these models are just doing is predicting the next word, right? That is all they are doing.
How long they’ve trained for how many parameters, what their weights are all that stuff.
It’s just a word guessing game for them internally.
And so when they are given a response, they’re given a prompt that doesn’t make sense, they will hallucinate, or they do have a prompt that makes sense, but they don’t know the answer.
They will hallucinate, they will just make stuff up.
One of the most famous tests for this is to ask a model who was president of the United States in 1566.
The way these models work, they look at the words and phrases, they break them up and they look at what has proximity to those terms.
And early, early in the GPT models, they would say things like Christopher Columbus, because it was the name that was most closely associated with maybe early time periods and the United States was eventually the United States and that’s a completely wrong answer.
Today’s models don’t make those mistakes because they’ve been trained better and bigger and stuff, but that is always a risk.
So there’s two things you need to do to reduce the likelihood of risks.
Number one, don’t let models behave and act and do stuff unsupervised, right? You should always be checking their work and saying, Oh, you know, is it still doing what it’s supposed to be doing? That’s number one.
And number two, whatever tasks you’re having the model perform, you should have some subject matter expertise in those tasks, so that you can judge whether the output is correct or not.
If I ask a model to look at gastroesophageal reflux disease, acid reflux disease, it can give me some answers and I haven’t the foggiest clue whether it is correct or not, because I don’t specialize in that.
That is not what I do.
I’m not a I’m not a doctor.
I don’t even play one on YouTube.
And so it could tell me things that are blatantly wrong.
And I won’t know unless I have, you know, I take the time to corroborate that to go good to Google search on the answer and validate it from reliable sources that what it told me is correct.
Under no circumstances, particularly for high stakes stuff, should you ever just be using responses from large language models willy nilly with no fact checking right in the same way that you wouldn’t do that from a search engine.
Right? This is not new.
This is just a different technology.
Now you would not just copy paste something from the first result on Google for your query, without looking at it without reading it without going, that doesn’t make sense.
Or Ooh, I don’t trust that source.
You know, I was I asked Bing a question the other day that gave me a response and the citation, which is very important.
The citation it gave was to a a known disinformation source.
I’m like, that’s wrong.
And I gave feedback.
I said, you know, thumbs down, this is an incorrect response is factually incorrect.
Whether Microsoft uses that information or not, I don’t know.
But even regular old fashioned search engines can give you incorrect responses, right, they can come up with something they can find something that is factually just flat out wrong.
There’s a greater risk in large language models because they don’t do citations newly as well as search engines do right when you ask chat GPT for an answer, and then you ask it to cite its sources.
Sometimes those sources are just made up.
There’s a very famous case, a legal case not too long ago, where a lawyer got in a lot of trouble because chat GPT cited cases that don’t exist looks good.
When he he published it, but didn’t exist.
So you’ve got to fact check these things.
humans should be fact checking what AI produces for the foreseeable future, right for the foreseeable future, because there’s just too many ways for these tools to go off the rails and is much easier and safer to fact check them yourself.
And if you don’t have subject matter expertise, and the things you’re having generate content for a I wonder why you’re generating content on those things and be find someone who does have the expertise so that they can correct what the models are spitting out.
It’s a good question.
It’s an important question.
So thank you for asking.
I’ll talk to you next time.
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In today’s episode, Ravi raises a crucial question about ensuring security and confidentiality while using AI tools like ChatGPT or Bard. I take you through the potential risks involved and emphasize the paramount importance of not inputting sensitive information into these systems. I also delve into a safer alternative, running large language models locally on your own system. To understand the full context and secure your data effectively, you’ll want to watch this episode. Remember, your information is your responsibility. Tune in to learn more!
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You Ask, I Answer: Keeping Data Confidential with ChatGPT?
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In today’s episode, Ravi asks what steps should we take to ensure security and confidentiality when using tools like chat GPT or bard? Well, that’s easy.
Don’t put confidential secure information into these things.
Ever, ever.
Not too long ago, chat GPT had 100,000 accounts compromised.
They got into hackers got access to the accounts and we’re able to see the history in them.
You should not be putting any kind of sensitive information in these tools at all.
Because even if they were perfectly secure from third parties, you are still putting information that is yours into a system that is not yours, right? That is someone else’s system.
So don’t do it.
And that’s the easy answer.
Suppose you want to use large language models on sensitive or protected information.
How do you do that safely? The safest way to do that is to run a large language model locally.
And there are tools that allow you to do this.
One of which is called GPT for all so GPT the number for all.io.
This is a public open source project with a web app.
No, it’s actually a desktop app you run on your computer, Windows, Linux or Mac, and installs an interface.
And then you download one of many different models, you know, llama, Vakuna, you name it.
What happens next is once you’ve downloaded the model of your choice, assuming you agreed, you uncheck the share my information, that model runs locally on your computer.
And it’s not gonna be as fast as chat GPT, right? It’s not gonna be as thorough, it’ll have more limitations.
But anything you put in it never ever leaves your computer never even goes on your local network, it just goes on your computer, the responses you get are only on your computer.
And so as long as your computer doesn’t get stolen, that data is safe.
That is the safest way to use a large language model with sensitive or secure or confidential information, you absolutely do not want to be putting that into any third party, even if that third party is saying, yes, we protect your data, really, inevitably, with any kind of third party service, someone has to audit these things, someone has to from time to time, you know, take a sample and make sure it’s it’s doing what it’s supposed to be doing.
And if you’re putting in confidential information, other people can see that right now.
Yes, it’s going to be in there with a gazillion other people’s responses.
And you know what they’ve been using the software for, but the reality still is if you’re putting in third party information, it is at risk.
And there’s no way to fix that, right? There’s no way to not have that happen.
So I would download and install one of these tools.
They are free, they’re open source, and they are local.
And that makes all the difference for secure and confidential information.
Now for non secure stuff like oh, you know, it’s right up by an outline for a blog post about marketing automation.
Sure, you can use chat GPT for that you can use Bard or Bing.
Because in instances like that, you’re not going to be causing substantial problems.
rewrite this email in a professional tone, right? As long as there’s not substantial personal identifying information in the email, you can absolutely do that in a chat GPT.
So the easiest way to think about is this.
Would I email the contents of what I’m going to hand into the to a chat GPT? Would I be okay just mailing that to a member of the general public, just email to some random person on the street? Would would I be okay with that? Would would my company be okay with that? If it’s like, you know, you’re trying to figure out a way to more tactfully phrase a memo about, you know, please stop microwaving fish in the common room microwave.
That’s a pretty obvious yes, like, yeah, I’ll hand that to any stranger like a jerk.
Stop doing that.
You know, that would be the prompt.
And of course, the response would be, please, let’s avoid doing this.
But if you were putting the contents of an email saying like, hey, here’s the third quarter sales numbers.
I wouldn’t give that to some random person on the street.
I wouldn’t give that to a potential competitor.
That’s the easy benchmark as to what you should put into these tools and not is would you hand it to another person without reservation? If the answer is no, use it, use one of the local models instead.
So good question.
It’s an important question.
That’s a question people are not thinking about enough.
So Robbie, good job for thinking about it.
Thanks for asking.
We’ll talk to you next time.
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In today’s episode, we delve into the concept of ‘prompt libraries’ in the realm of large language models and image modeling. I’ll share why it’s crucial for every AI user to keep a prompt library and how it can be leveraged to fine-tune AI tools like ChatGPT or DALL-E to align more with your unique needs. From explaining how to create a prompt library to its future implications, we journey through the interesting intersections of AI and our daily communication. Join me as we uncover the practicality and potential of this powerful asset.
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Mind Readings: Why You Need a Generative AI Prompt Library
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In today’s episode, let’s talk about prompts within the context of large language models and image modeling.
So generative AI, we’re talking about prompts in the sense of what you type into a tool like chat GPT or Dali or stable diffusion, or mid journey, any of these companies and their prompts.
First, if you are not already keeping a prompt library, you need to be if you’re using these tools, if you want to be able to use these tools more and use them in production and gain benefit from them, you should have a prompt library.
This is something I talked about in the the keynote speech they do on this topic.
What is a prompt library? It’s a notebook, right? It’s just a notebook, a filing system of some kind.
You can make it in, you know, Google Docs, you can make it in tools like Evernote or OneNote or Joplin, which is the tool that I use, obsidian scrivener, it doesn’t matter.
There’s so many tools for keeping notes as long as it’s a tool that you can find stuff in when you search for it.
And depending on your situation, your company, you may need other people to be able to find stuff in it.
That prompt library is where you store your prompts that you write for a tool like chat GPT or mid journey.
And if you can, you’ll store the outputs as well.
So let’s say you have a prompt, maybe it’s a it’s a YouTube caption prompt, which is one of the ones that I use all the time.
You say you’re an expert YouTube content manager, you know, YouTube, blah, blah, blah, blah.
The summary, you’re going to write a summary of this transcript, it should be no more than four sentences, write it in the first person, and so on and so forth.
And you would write that prompt use it.
And if it creates a satisfactory output, you stick it in your prompt library, say, okay, this is the one I use for YouTube captions.
This is the one I use to decline commercial pitches politely.
This is the one I use to write the summary for spy novel, whatever it is you’re using it for, you want this prompt library.
Now, there are very good people and process reasons for doing this again, keeps things organized helps you share it with others.
But here’s the part that people aren’t thinking about yet.
The future of a lot of these generative AI tools is in fine tuning.
And by fine tuning, we mean taking an existing model and tuning it, making it more like you through a process of gathering data, and putting that training data into the model and having the model change its responses based on the data it’s given.
For example, not too long ago, I took all the blog posts that my CEO and partner Katie Robert had written for the trust insights blog.
And we fed this into a the fine tuning library for open AI is GPT three model.
And when we’re done, we got out a model that we could use that sounded like Katie, it sounded much more like Katie than any prompt ever has.
Because it was taking her words and putting them in.
That fine tuning is super important for being able to customize these models to do specific tasks to have a certain tone of voice and things like that.
And the process of getting one of these models stood up is laborious, it is extensive, it is highly technical, and it requires good data.
Where do you get that good data, you could get it from your prompt library, right? If you’ve been writing really good prompts for generating YouTube captions, and maybe you’ve got 50 or 60 of these things stored up.
Now you’ve got 50 or 60 examples you can you can fine tune a model on to help it do that task better.
Each week, you could write a prompt that for which that newsletter would be the answer.
And now you’ve got again, some fine tuning data, my friend and handily who writes a bi weekly newsletter, she would have 26 new prompts and responses every week that she could train a model on tune a model on so that it could sound more like her than any prompt, you know, normal prompt ever would.
So you can’t do this.
If you don’t have the data stored, you can’t make this a reality.
The information is doesn’t already exist.
And so as you’re writing prompts, store them, categorize them, catalog them, keep the responses when they’re good.
And you will have a strategic advantage of competitors who are not doing this over who are not thinking ahead who are not saying, hey, this data might actually be useful.
Some day.
Remember, and this is something again, I say in the keynote, which I’ll put a link so you can watch it.
Everyone is a developer.
And in the world of large language models and generative AI, everyone is a developer as long as you can write.
And every word you write is an opportunity, it’s programming code.
So that’s today’s thought for you, your prompt library is your training data for a future fine tuned model.
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