Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Attribution

You Ask, I Answer: Custom Attribution Models in Google Analytics?
Dee asks, “With regard to your attribution models in your AI talks, do you need to create custom reports to get this data into your google analytics? If so, how do you go about doing this and/or anything you could provide to help?”

The short answer is that the Trust Insights attribution models exist outside of Google Analytics, produced with custom machine learning code. It’s not something built into the platform because it’s too computationally costly. As you evolve in your own analytics journey, you’ll notice you spend less time in prepackaged software and more time with custom code.

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In today’s episode D asks, with regard to your attribution models in your artificial intelligence talks, do you need to create custom reports to get this data into Google Analytics? If so, how do you go about doing that and we’re anything can use to provide some help.

So this is in reference to the talk that both I and my business partner Katie Rivera give on five applications of AI for marketing, one of which is doing attribution analysis with Google Analytics data.

Google Analytics has attribution models built in.

It has the the five standard ones first touch, last touch, linear time decay, and of course, your own custom models.

But the custom models are largely position based models.

That’s not bad, right? That’s okay.

Well, I mean, first touch last touch of worthless, but time decay is an okay model, and then customize it with your own weights, isn’t it? Okay model.

But that is relatively.

They’re the models that both Google Analytics and and other companies like Adobe analytics and stuff provide are built for efficiency and speed, they are not built for accuracy, because the better models for attribution analysis are very computationally costly.

They take minutes, sometimes even many minutes close to an hour, depending on the model to run.

It is not something that a vendor is going to offer it, you know, click this button and come back in an hour, come back in, you know, in 30 minutes or go get a sandwich.

That is a very unsatisfying user experience.

And so vendors do not offer that.

But if you want the best possible answers, those are the kinds of models you need to do.

So these models are things you have to essentially build with your own custom code, or obviously, hire a company to do it for you.

So that you can get access to the best possible data.

One of the things that is a natural evolution in your analytics journey is going from a pre packaged product like Google Analytics, being the source of all of your information to more and more those applications being data providers, and then you yourself having to do the computation, the analysis and stuff offline outside of the application, because the application just doesn’t support the kinds of requests that you want to be doing.

That’s not to say that there’s anything wrong with Google Analytics, or Adobe analytics, or any of these companies, there’s nothing wrong with their software, it’s just that at a certain point, your sophistication as a data driven marketer rises above the feature set that’s in the application.

And that’s a good thing.

If you find that you’re getting fewer and fewer answers from the built in software, and you need more and more work outside of the software, that means you’re getting probably means you’re getting to tougher questions, with more valuable answers, right? It’s super easy to look and say all how many goal completions did we get? or How many? How much traffic did we get? Or what percentage of people use a smartphone to get to our device? And those are important questions.

Those are questions you need the answers to but they’re easy, easy questions to answer.

harder questions or things like? What are the behaviors of specific segments? Which attribution model works best? How do we do attribution modeling at the individual channel level rather than the groupings that are built in? And those are things that require more processing outside? And then you start getting into the really complex stuff? Like what about taking into account activity data that is offline? What about taking into account activity data that doesn’t have a direct line of sight to our goal completions? What about blending in our CRM data, all those things exist outside of the application, because that’s not what Google Analytics is for.

And you have to use third party software, third party tools, your own software, your own tools to get those answers.

So when you find that you are at that point, that is a, that’s a moment worth celebrating, because you have reached a level of sophistication as a digital marketer, that indicates you are creating real value for your company, you are asking tougher and tougher questions demanding tougher and tougher answers.

One of the things that you’ll have to change that and also is giving consideration to what vendors you use.

Because if you use the built in software less than less, then paying for an expensive, fancy user interface becomes less and less important.

And the quality and quantity of data you can export from an application becomes more important.

There are services out there.

We are partners and strong friends with the folks over at talk Walker, they have a nice application.

Yeah, it’s good.

But I don’t use it all that much.

I use it for the data export, they have some of the richest, most robust data that you can have access to on social media and listening and stuff like that way more than I was ever able to get out of other competing software packages by 10 x.

And that means that I can build better models, I can run more complex reports, I can do better analysis.

So for you and your journey, you’ll have to once you start running into things like hey, that wasn’t me, there’s a 5000 row export limit.

That’s no, that’s no good.

That’s again, another sign that you are you are reaching the increasing levels of sophistication with your digital marketing.

Same for SEO tools.

I’ve used Mas, and RS and sem rush and spy foo and all these and bright edge all these tools.

And I like RFS the best not because their interfaces beautiful and it’s okay gets the job done.

But their data export is second to none.

I mean that millions of lines of data every month, which you need to be able to do modern day SEO, modern day SEO is all powered by machine learning.

So you better be building your own machine learning models for these things.

So can you build back to these question, can you build this technology yourself? Absolutely.

And in fact, in both my talking Katie’s talk, we explain the methodology use it is Markov chain modeling.

So if you are familiar with Markov chains, do an implementation with the data from Google Analytics.

If you’re not familiar with Markov chains, it’s a good starting point, for your line of inquiry for your area of study to figure out how you can use that.

One area that I’m personally looking at right now is taking up level two hidden Markov models, because there are some things that are hidden, and some data that’s visible.

And I’m trying to figure out how do I build software that can answer that question of what’s hidden? Because what’s hidden for us as marketers is? What’s in somebody’s head? Right? The classical example is, if you don’t have windows, new office, but your coworker comes in and they’re wearing a raincoat, and it’s all wet, you can make an inference with strong probability of probability that it’s raining out.

Right? So you have a known piece of data, but you have the unknown data about what’s going on outside.

The same is true for data in Google Analytics, right? You see organic searches, you see conversions, you see some things, but you don’t see why somebody made a decision, you don’t see offline, you don’t see word of mouth.

But you could infer those things potentially, with a technique like hidden Markov models, or some of the more advanced deep learning methods.

And so that’s my own personal line of inquiry, taking the data that we do have access to, and trying to infer the stuff that we do not have access to.

So that’s where my journey is going.

And we’re, I hope your journey is going as well, because the technology now exists for us to be able to get answers to some of these really difficult questions and marketing.

And that’s, that’s exciting.

It is exciting times.

So unfortunately, the what we can do to help you if the customer reports in Google Analytics because that report does not exist in there.

It’s it’s our own custom code.

If you have a company and you would like to engage Trust Insights to run those reports on your behalf by all means please hit us up.

We’re here.

We’re happy to help.

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October 4, 2019
You Ask, I Answer: Programmatic Facebook Ads and Social Attribution?
Maggie asks, “How reliable is using programmatic impressions data that’s collected in GA (with an understanding of its value and the contribution of programmatic to website conversions), to use this value as a proxy and apply to social to give us a better idea of Facebook performance?”

This is an interesting question that will require experimentation and analysis on your part. To use programmatic impressions data as a proxy for Facebook impressions in general, you have to prove a couple of things:
– Programmatic audience composition is highly correlated to your normal Facebook audience composition – same people
– Programmatic audience behavior is highly correlated to your normal Facebook audience behavior – same actions

You Ask, I Answer: Programmatic Facebook Ads and Social Attribution?
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In today’s episode Maggie asks, How reliable is using programmatic impressions data that’s collected in Google Analytics with an understanding of its value and the contribution of programmatic to website conversions to use this value as a proxy, and apply to social to give us a better idea Facebook performance? That’s a lot to unpack there.

The question that Maggie’s asking is, can you use data from Facebook programmatic advertising? To make to draw conclusions about your Facebook’s audience performance in general? That’s an interesting question.

My first instinct was to say no, but giving it some more thought.

The answer is maybe it may be reliable.

But you need to do some, some math.

So to use any kind of advertising data as a proxy for your audience’s overall behavior, you have to prove two things, same people, same actions.

So in this case, you’d have to prove your programmatic audience composition, the people that you’re reaching with programmatic is highly correlated to normal Facebook audience composition, is it the same people? So for example, if you go to Facebook Audience Insights, and you look at your, your, your audience that you have access to their? Is it this? Is it the same as the audience to reaching for your programmatic audience composition? And you should be able to do that, as long as you keeping custom audiences for both.

But you want to look? Is it the same age groups? Is it the same gender? Is it the same locations? Do they have the same page likes? Do they have the same interests and affinities, same political orientation, whatever, whatever factors, you can determine about both audience, you want to see how much they overlap.

If you are reaching very different people with your ads than you are with your organic content, then the impressions data that you get from programmatic inside Google Analytics is not going to be helpful, right? Because you’re you’re essentially measuring different people.

If you’re measuring, you know, souk on this hand, and he’s doing he’s, he’s a fan of Celine Dion.

And you’re, you’re measuring a margarita over here.

And you know, she’s a fan of Evanescence, they’re gonna be very, very different people, and have very different behaviors.

So same people make sure that the same people first second, you then have to prove, and this is something you’ll do with Google Analytics, you have to prove that they have the same behaviors or similar behaviors.

How correlated here is your Facebook audiences behavior from organic from programmatic? And that’s something that you’re looking for, you know, what pages do they visit on your website, what percentage of the audience converts, return user, time on page time on site, all those things that tell you, yes, if you’ve got similar people, and they’re behaving in similar ways, and this is different than the similar people, because even even though you may, you might have the same people, they will behave differently, they can behave differently, if they come to you with different intent.

If you’re running, you know, by now, ads on Facebook, those people that you’re you’re obtaining have a different intent than somebody who just clicked on a blog post article wants to read more, right, you can see that just just the difference in language alone, by now versus read more, you going to get very different intent, very different behavior, which means that using one set of behavior to try and predict another is not a good idea.

So you have to be able to show that these two audience behaviors are the same, or least highly correlated.

And if you can prove both same people and same actions, then you can use that impressions data as a proxy.

If you can’t prove that, if you can’t show Yes, the same people same actions, then it’s not going to be very helpful.

And intent matters a lot.

If you look at your digital customer journey, you may see Facebook, social, and then like Facebook paid social, if you’ve got to configured correctly in Google Analytics, maybe, and probably are at different points in the customer journey.

Right? Facebook, organic social, more often than not, for a lot of people is at the beginning of the customer journey, that awareness building.

And Facebook paid is sort of you know, the deal closer gets is what not just somebody over to filling out that form or, or picking up something from the shopping cart.

If the behaviors of the same because you’re running the same type of intent campaigns, then you may then you may have something to work with.

So if you are posting on Facebook, organic, social, you know, Hey, get to know us.

And you’ve also got a get to know us campaign in programmatic, then you may see similar behaviors.

But a lot of that is contingent on the analysis.

And that brings up one final point.

Your programmatic performance will have to mirror and continue to mirror going forward.

The unpaid performance, right.

So if you go from a get to know us campaign to a buy now campaign, the intent changes and your predictive strength for your for your model.

Let’s say that, yes, you proved same people same actions, when you did the analysis that may drift, because you’re changed the intent of the programmatic campaign.

So just keep these things in mind.

As you are trying to do this analysis, the answer is a solid, maybe you have to do the analysis.

We don’t know enough about your audience to be able to make that determination.

If I had to guess, it’s probably not a good fit, because most people use paid advertising in a very different way with a very different intent than they do on unpaid content marketing.

Good question.

Interesting question, challenging question you got a lot of work to do.

Got a lot of homework to do.

But the answers will be valuable to you, even if you can’t use it.

predictively you at least have established and you know much more about your audience now because you’ve done the analysis and you can see the difference between an unpaid audience and a paid audience.

And I think that’s an analysis that every marketer should do.

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August 30, 2019
You Ask, I Answer: Attribution Modeling for Social Impressions?
Maggie asks, “Is there a way to build a custom data-driven attribution model to include social impressions (Facebook / Instagram) data?”

There are a couple of different ways of handling this. Both require machine learning, but both are very possible and something that I’ve done for Trust Insights customers very recently. You’re either going to be looking at Markov chain modeling if you have the data flowing into GA, or something like gradient boosting machines if you have very high resolution data. Watch the video for more and an example.

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In today’s episode, Maggie asks, Is there a way to build a custom data driven attribution model to include social impressions such as Facebook and Instagram data? Yes, there’s always a way.

There are a couple of different ways of handling this particular situation where you want to deal with traffic from social, both require machine learning, and both very possible and something that actually I’ve done very, very recently for a couple of Trusted Sites customers.

Let’s look first at the traffic based one.

Because that one is, I think, probably the best overall blend of social and Google Analytics data.

Google Analytics gives you path information in their multi channel funnels API, which is how people interact with your company, on outside sources before they come to your website.

So for example, if they view a Facebook post, and then they click on it, and then they view an Instagram post, they click on that and they view an Email Click on that you would see in the API and the data, you know, Facebook, Instagram, email, right as the chain of evidence that leads to a conversion or doesn’t.

Now, there’s a machine learning technique called Markov chain modeling that you can use to pull apart those paths and re sequence them.

Understand which paths lead to conversion, which ones don’t, and then what the differences are.

So in that same example, Facebook, Instagram email, let’s say that leads to a conversion.

And then you have Instagram email, as a different one, no conversion.

In that very, very simple example, you could see by taking Facebook out the conversion fell apart.

So if you do this, while you have a machine to this, thousands or millions of times with all the conversion data in your analytics instance, you can then apply waiting to say, guess what facebook, facebook matters, because you know, in 87% of conversions that didn’t have Facebook, they fell apart.

Right.

So that’s the traffic based one.

And what I do is, I take that data, and then I condense it down something a little orange tablets actually bring this up here.

So this is an example of a digital customer journey analysis, which is what a Markov chain model is, by source and medium, from top to bottom, and from left to right is the order in which people do things because again, same back to the early example, Facebook, Instagram, email, Facebook’s at the beginning of the journey, Instagram in the middle email at the end for that conversion.

So if you just essentially tally up those conversion pathways, you get this chart where you see here, impact BND is is 8.6 of our conversions, percent of our conversions are begin there.

Same with LinkedIn.

Same with Facebook, then, right at the end of the Western US Google organic search, that’s a big chunk 27% is actually relatively healthy, because anything over like 15 years, you’re in danger of being too vulnerable on one channel.

The all the engagement channels in the last half of the last of the journey, you see email, social, Twitter, things like that.

So this is one way of sequencing that data in order to get at how different social channels play into attribution.

Now.

This is if you have everything wired up, and you’re passing as much data into Google Analytics as possible.

If you just have the impression data itself, you’re doing type of modeling that essentially is called view through modeling.

And Facebook has like for example, view through conversions.

And what you’re trying to do is show a mathematical relationship between the number of impressions that your social content is made, and any sort of impact in the rest of your analytics.

So what you need to do in this example, if you’re just trying to work with the impression data itself, is you need to build a very high resolution table of essentially every interaction ideally broken down like the our level instead of the day level of impressions, clicks.

whatever other metrics you can get out of Facebook, whatever metrics you can get on Instagram, you put them all in one giant table.

And then each each networks, dimensions are their own columns of Facebook question Instagram impressions, Twitter impressions by hour of day, by day, day, by day by week by month, you should have you know, for example, one day should be what 1440 rows per network.

And then you have to call the Google Analytics API, and bring in things like branded organic searches, organic searches, direct traffic, where there is a lack of attribution, your total number of goal completions and things like that.

And you will use a technique probably like gradient boosting machines.

Extreme gradient boosting is the preferred method use a lot of the time for for analysis like this to say here are the here are the factors are the dimensions that drive the outcome we care about, like conversions, or branded organic searches, whatever KPI you’re trying to benchmark against.

And then the software will go through and mix and match every possible combination.

The thing that’s important is that you need a high resolution table, if you were to do this at like month level, you would get useless data because the sample is just too small, you really need as granular data as possible.

Google Analytics can spit out I believe you can go down to the second level, and Google Analytics data and for Facebook, Instagram, I’m I think you can get our minute out of out of those API’s.

Again, you put all together, run your Gradient boosting machine, extract an answer.

And then in this instance, here’s the catch, because you’re dealing with essentially, at the end of the day was very, very, very fancy correlations.

You need to then build a testing plan to test the correlations if Facebook map matters the most, right? And maybe it’s Facebook videos, if you have like, factors, the different types of content, you definitely want that another Facebook videos matter the most, then you build a testing plan, you run it, and you do lots of Facebook videos and see if, as the number of Facebook videos goes up, do you see a commensurate increase in the target metrics that you built with the gradient boosting machine like random organic searches, do more Facebook videos, absent? Anything else? Do you see a corresponding proportional increase in random organic searches? And you test that you test that you make sure it’s not statistical noise? You test for statistical significance.

And then at the end of the testing period, you say yes, we can prove because we’ve done the testing properly, that Facebook videos increases your whatever KPI you care about.

So those are the two primary ways to build this kind of data driven attribution model.

I do ideally as much of your social data should come in as quick traffic as possible, but I know that always possible use gradient boosting machines using machine learning to assemble that and shameless plug if you want to help doing that because done a lot.

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August 29, 2019
How to Calculate Marketing ROI
Pick a term that is bandied about the most but understood the least in business (especially marketing) and chances are it will be ROI, return on investment. Many marketers are asked by senior stakeholders what their ROI is, how to calculate marketing ROI, or whether their ROI is trending in the right direction.

Before we go any farther, let’s define marketing ROI clearly.

What is ROI?

Simply put, it is the following mathematical formula:

(Earned – Spent) / Spent = ROI

In marketing terms, this is:

(Income Earned from Marketing Efforts – Marketing Expenses) / Marketing Expenses = ROI of Marketing

The result is a decimal, which, if multiplied by 100, can be expressed as a percentage.

That is ROI. It’s a deceptively simple formula. The reason why it’s so deceptively simple is that a lot of metrics go into each of the formula components.

Determining income earned from marketing efforts requires the use of a good CRM that allows you to track what marketing methods actually result in sales, and what the revenue of those sales is. For example, let’s say you sell chewing gum. To the best of your ability, you need to be able to track exactly how much gum you’ve sold to consumers at what price, by marketing channel. The last part is the catch. It’s easy to figure out how much gum you’ve sold, but much harder to figure out what marketing channel drove those sales. Online is relatively simple – using tools like Google Analytics to track checkouts at a virtual store makes that fairly straightforward. Offline is trickier and requires tools like surveying and statistical sampling in order to accurately assess why someone bought a pack of gum.

Income can be even trickier to determine if it’s decoupled from marketing, as is often the case with wholesalers and resellers. If you manufacture alkaline batteries like Duracell or Energizer, there’s a good chance you use a distributor or reseller like a Walmart or Target to resell your goods. As a result, your marketing efforts to build your brand are decoupled from the actual transactions because someone else is handling the sales – and as a result, all of your brand-building effort may be for naught if a reseller fails to display your products effectively. One of the few methods that gets around this problem to some degree is coupon redemption. If a manufacturer issues a coupon, they can get an actual idea of a channel’s income generation potential by tracking how many coupons were issued vs. how many were redeemed from that channel.

The expense side of marketing is also fraught with danger, especially in marketing subcategories like social media. Almost no one tracks the single largest expense in social media: time. Time is not free. Time has never been free. How much you spend in any marketing channel isn’t just a question of money leaving your bank account or corporate credit card, but time spent as money. What else goes into the cost side? Ideally, every cost that is part of your marketing – from the cost of the company’s Internet access to salaries to rent to the coffee machine in the kitchen. The way to think about the expense side is, if you had no marketers on staff, what money would you not spend?

How to Calculate Marketing ROI

Here’s an example of determining time spent as money. Let’s say you’re in marketing and you earn $50,000 per year. The effective number of working hours you have per year is 52 weeks x 40 hours per week, or 2,080 hours. Your effective hourly pay, then, is$ 24.04 per hour. For every hour you spend on Pinterest, Facebook, Instagram, etc., you are effectively investing $24.04 of time as money in that marketing channel. Suddenly, channels like social media get very expensive.

So let’s put the two sides, income and expense, together in an example so that you can see what marketing ROI looks like.

Let’s say you decided to advertise using Google’s Adwords pay per click advertising. Let’s say you spent $500 in cash and 5 hours of your time (at a$ 50,000/year salary) to get Adwords up and running, and in turn, you earned $1,000 in sales of, let’s say citrus-scented headphones.

Do the preparation math:
- Income: $1,000
- Expense (cash): $500
- Expense (non-cash): $24.04 x 5 =$ 120.20
- Total Expense: $620.20
The ROI formula is Income – Expense / Expense, so $1,000 -$ 620.20 / $620.20 = 61.24%.$

This is an excellent ROI. It states that for every dollar spent, you earned the dollar back plus 61.24 cents. Any business would be very pleased with that ROI and would likely ask you to invest a little more time and a lot more money if that result remains consistent.

Let’s try another example for the same person at the same company. Let’s say you’ve decided that Facebook is the hottest thing since sliced bread and you’re going to avoid outlaying cash on your Facebook efforts. You set up a Fan Page for your citrus-scented headphones, take 80 hours to set it up, administer it, manage the community, do outreach, etc. but you spend no money on it and you manage to sell1,000 worth of those strange headphones. You’re feeling good about yourself – this social media stuff works, right?

Do the preparation math:
- Income: $1,000
- Expense (cash): $0
- Expense (non-cash): $24.04 x 80 =$ 1,923.20
- Total Expense: $1,923.20
The ROI formula shows $1,000 -$ 1,923.20 / $1,923.20 = -48% ROI. Uh oh. When you account for time spent as money, Facebook (in this example) is a money-loser. For every dollar of time you invest in it, you’re losing 48 cents.

Now, what’s not in the examples above? All the ancillary costs (equipment, utilities, rent, etc.), which are typically easiest to calculate by person. Talk to your financial team to ask what those costs are and bundle them into the non-case expenses above; your CFO and their team likely have exact dollar amounts per employee of expenses which you can use to make the above calculations more accurate.

The Use and Misuse of ROI

We’re clear on the basic definition of ROI. Why is it so difficult for marketing to use it properly?

ROI is a financial term with a financial formula. There is no substitute for it and there are no ways to weasel around it that don’t make us look like fools. Expressions like “return on awareness”, “return on engagement”, and “return on conversation” are largely invented terms by people who don’t know how to calculate ROI.

ROI is not the ultimate measure of marketing performance. ROI is an objective metric (an endgame metric that tells you if you’ve reached your goals) only if cost containment is a priority for your business. ROI fundamentally measures net profit – how much money you made after expenses. What financial metrics do you measure your business by? For example, if you are in a growth mode with an objective of capturing significant market share and net profit is not a strategic priority (such as many startups), ROI can actually be a hindrance to your marketing efforts because over-focus on it will prevent you from taking short-term losses in exchange for long-term strategic gains.

What to Do With ROI Calculations

This is where it’s decision time for you as a marketer.

Remember, if cost containment isn’t a primary goal, ROI isn’t the correct metric to be focusing on. If you’ve made the conscious and strategic decision to take a short-term financial loss (in cash and time spent as money) in order to grow a long-term opportunity, then negative ROI may be acceptable for the duration of your campaign. However, if cost containment is a primary goal for your marketing department, you have to make the decision whether to adjust your Facebook strategy or cut it out and stop your losses.

Ultimately, ROI is just one way to measure marketing’s performance, but it’s one of the least well-understood ways of doing so. By walking through this calculation, you’ll realize just how difficult it is to calculate with great precision and how meticulous you must be in your tracking methods in order to capture even moderately good quality data. If you can do that effectively, ROI is yours to analyze, but if you can’t because of organizational structure or operational issues, then you’ll need to forego the use of ROI as a marketing metric.

What could you use instead? According to the most recent CMO Survey, CMOs are most concerned about the financial impact of marketing efforts. That doesn’t mean ROI specifically; the financial impact is anything which adds tangible, measurable value to the company’s overall revenue side. How much revenue can you attribute to your marketing efforts? In many companies, this calculation is more valuable, easier to compute, and can be made more granular to understand which marketing efforts drive the highest financial impact. Using today’s most sophisticated analytics and AI capabilities, attribution analysis may be your best bet for proving the value of marketing when ROI isn’t appropriate or available.

Disclosure: this post has been edited and updated over the years. The most recent edition added new information about attribution analysis.

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May 14, 2019
You Ask, I Answer: Value of Social Media Posts
Matthew asks, “A client asked me to attach a dollar value to social media posts’ reach. How do you value posts? Is it just the cost of the post if you boosted it with ads?”

An old enemy returns from the grave – ad value equivalence (AVE). This is AVE in different clothing, but fundamentally the same thing. The problem with AVE is that it assumes the value of a piece of media is equal to its cost – the opportunity cost of putting something else in its place. This is patently untrue – the value of a piece of media is the business result it generates. Only attribution analysis, done properly, will yield that answer.

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In today’s episode, Matthew asks, a client asked me to attach $1 value to social media posts reach How do you value social media posts? Is it just the cost of the post? If you boost it with ads,$

and old enemy returns from the grave, long time, PR professionals should be shaking their heads on this one. This is a concept called add value equivalence. Back in the old days when people still read paper newspapers in great numbers

the way that some public relations folks would value the story would be okay if you hear substituted the amount of space on the page that the story about your client took up with what it would cost of purchase that spaces and add that’s the value of the story. This is of course a stupid way evaluating.

Public Relations.

Matthew’s question is add value equivalents in different clothing. It is saying, okay, the value of a social posts, the reach it gets, which is a proxy for attention is what it would cost to buy it.

The reason why add value equivalence is a bad measure of any form of media, old media, new media, social media doesn’t matter is that it assumes that the, the value of a piece of media is equivalent to its cost, the opportunity cost for the publication to put something else in that space. Now, in the early days of social media, we would say, of course, your space is infinite. But we know that’s not true. There’s unlimited number of ads slots available on a Facebook feed, or an Instagram feed compared to the number of advertisers. So that’s not it. What what’s wrong with this concept and it is a very old concept that just keeps coming up over and over again, is that it makes the assumption that value equals cost in that’s not true.

The value of a piece of media is the business result that it generates. So if you care about awareness, then yes, the you may want to use views or reach as a measure. If you care about engagement, people actually interacting with a piece of media that you’ve created. That’s a very different number, right? A million people have seen a post, but if no one commented on it,

did it ever have any actual impact? Think about how you use a mobile device, right? You’re sitting there just scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll.

Yes, that counts as a view even if the person can’t recall anything about your your company your brand

things like brand recall matter. A great deal more for measuring the effectiveness of a piece of media. Hey, you read this story or this Facebook post or this ad or this Instagram image about this coffee shop? Name a coffee shop and if the person who just read that story can’t remember the name of a coffee shop other than like y’all met

Good chain,

your story had no impact, your media had no impact. If you measure on things like lead, lead conversion on site traffic, physical brick and mortar, traffic, all of these are things that are business metrics that you want to be able to run attribution analysis to work back into, to say, Okay, this combination of, of channels and this combination of media and these combinations of days and times, and all the attributes that you use to gather information about your marketing program, all that mathematically will lead to a result

and you get to that by running is formally called attribution analysis and the mathematics behind it depending on which system you use

will dictate whether something is actually working or not, but simply swapping in the cost to reach people for the value of reaching people is the completely wrong way to do it.

Not a knock on Matthews question. Matthew is asking a question that his, his client is asking him,

the way to do it is with attribution analysis. Now, some forms of attribution are readily accessible. So if you were to go into Google Analytics, for example, assuming your goals and your goal values are set up correctly and valued properly,

there are attribution models the bottom of the conversions menu on the left hand side, and you can choose from five or six built in models. And you can go to the Google Analytics gallery and select more models. If you want to get even more sophisticated, you can put all of this stuff into a massive database and use machine learning and statistics and data science to extract out what your what your true attribution is. That requires a bit more background on statistics and mathematics of course, but it is a doable thing. It is something that people are able to do today it’s not something theoretical and then of course, for if you want to get really, really

Advanced there are separate products and services and companies, just dedicated attribution analysis. One of them that you’re probably will be most familiar with the Google attribution, which is part of the Google Analytics. The 60 sweet it is sticks, pens, a piece of software. But if you’re spending you’re trying to figure out where you want to spend your80 million in, in TV, and ad and display and digital advertising and and what resources you want to hire for the cost per month of that software is probably quite reasonable. It’s just a fraction of a percent compared to 10s or hundreds of millions of dollars in media spend. So

can you substitute the value of a post for the cost of the post know what should you do instead, find an attribution method and model that works for your business that’s affordable and that will give you a much close to answer to what’s actually working. Great question Matthew. Difficult question I recommend

That, you know, if you don’t have a whole lot of gray in your in your hair, you may not have seen this particular beast crop up before in your career. But know that this has been something that has been debated for decades upon decades as a way of valuing media. And the general consensus among those folks who specialize in measurement is that it is probably the worst form of measurement.

I will say that if you have absolutely no other measurement

capability, and you have no other way of providing any kind of analytics, then you could use this as a last resort. But that would mean that the company itself has no understanding of its business goals or metrics and you should probably find a different company to work for because they’re doomed if they have no idea what their business goals are. They’re doomed once you know your company’s business goals. add value equivalence goes out the window.

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July 3, 2018

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