Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: B2B Marketing Lead Tracking with Google Analytics?

    You Ask, I Answer: B2B Marketing Lead Tracking with Google Analytics?

    Anonymous asks, “In B2B marketing, how do I track a lead from a paid ad to a conversion?”

    The process requires great Google Analytics setup and tagging, nothing more, at least to the point of conversion. To the point of sale, that requires a good CRM and potentially a marketing automation system.

    You Ask, I Answer: B2B Marketing Lead Tracking with Google Analytics?
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    In today’s episode, anonymous asks, in B2B, how do I track a lead from paid ads conversion? So, quick note about the anonymous thing, we have a form over on the Trust Insights website.

    It’s called Ask a silly question.

    And it’s intended to ask questions that you might not feel comfortable asking, sticking your name next to it.

    Some of those things like, I probably should know this, but I don’t.

    So this is one of those questions.

    The answer to this question is fairly straightforward.

    It requires two things great Google Analytics setup, and Google Analytics tagging.

    When you do both properly, you can measure up to the point of a form fill, and possibly a little bit afterwards in any b2b or b2c marketing setup.

    So the way it typically works is you would make sure that you have goals and goal values set up in Google Analytics that are set to whatever your conversion is like downloading a white paper or requesting a demo or filling out the Contact Us form.

    those goals would be things you would track and Google Analytics and would be indicators.

    Somebody crossed the line the finish line, and did the thing that you wanted them to do.

    On the paid ad side, you would use Google’s UTM tracking codes.

    Call it stands for urgent Tag Manager from way, way, way back in the day, 15 years ago, when Google bought urgent analytics and turned it into Google Analytics.

    So those UTM tracking codes, you would indicate the source, the medium and the campaign and possibly some other details in order to be able to assign where traffic came from that converted.

    So in any standard paid ad, you would make the UTM source whatever the network is like Facebook or Google ads or Bing Ads or whatever The medium would almost certainly be CPC for paid search, paid social for paid social display, CPV or CPA for cost per acquisition or cost per view for display advertising.

    And then the campaign, whatever the campaign name is, white paper 2020 or whatever, whatever your whatever it is you’re doing.

    Those two things combined, allow you to see leads that you’ve acquired from your paid ads and assess the performance of ads.

    If you have a goal value set up in Google Analytics, it’ll even give you then the estimated inferred revenue for what those conversions are generating.

    Now, the one thing Google Analytics does not do out of the box, and it’s something you need is track personally identifiable information and in fact, it’s explicitly disallowed.

    Terms of Service.

    So if you want to track an individual person from a paid ad to a conversion, you will have to use at least a CRM that integrates with Google Analytics and potentially a marketing automation system, something like, you know, par.or, Marketo or Eloqua, or, like with Oracle Marketing Cloud now Mautic, Hubspot, any of the major marketing automation software packages can integrate with Google Analytics and allow you to track an individual person from wherever they came from, like a paid ad to into your CRM, and then potentially even whether that business closes or not, to be able to understand the performance of an ad at a revenue level.

    That requires a lot more setup that requires extensive integration and proper configuration of all the tools.

    So if you need data in the aggregate, like how well are my favorites, adds to it how well my LinkedIn ads doing Google Analytics and Google UTM.

    tracking codes is the way to go.

    And it’s very straightforward, if you need the individually identifiable information requires a lot more setup from Google Analytics, and the UTM tracking codes to marketing automation to CRM.

    Now, the next question need to ask is What are you going to do with that information? tracking it tracking leads is great, and it’s important, we should definitely do it.

    But the bigger question is, what decisions will you make from that information? Will you change your ads? If you find ads or some ads are less effective than others? That’s an important decision to be able to make.

    Do we need to change the messaging? Are we on the right network? So in the right place where people are, do we have the right audience? Do we have the right offer? Generally speaking, when it comes to ads and tracking and decisions, there’s going to be three decisions They’re gonna make and this references Bob stones 1968 direct marketing framework used to say lists offer creative in that order, do the right list, meaning your audience do the right offer.

    And you have the right creative when it comes to paid ads, same exact thing applies.

    Are you advertising to the right people? Google Analytics can give you some of that information.

    But the paid ads system you’re using probably will give you more of that information.

    But it’s certainly if you’re just kind of going broad.

    With advertising, you will not get great performance advertising today works much better with a very specific audience in mind.

    So make sure that when you’re setting up your tracking codes, you’re tracking which list you are or which audience you’re going after.

    If you’ve got the right people, then the next step is do you have the right offer? Do you have an offer that’s compelling to those people and that’s something that, again, Google Analytics will not tell you that.

    In fact, nothing will tell you that except something like a focus group.

    Or a survey of your target audience to say, hey, if you need analytics consulting, what kind do you need getting information from your audience that way? And then the last, of course, is the creative, you have the right images, copy and all those things.

    One of the things that people do wrong with this type of tracking is that well, a two things.

    One, they don’t make decisions at all.

    And two, if they do, it’s usually on the creative side and not looking at the list and the offer side.

    Bob stones framework clearly says, make sure you’re advertising to the right people first, because you’re not nothing else matters.

    You can have the best offer, you can have the most beautiful creative and if you’re targeting the wrong audience, nothing matters.

    So address your testing based on your analytics from that perspective list first, then audience then creative.

    So to sum up, if you only care about conversion to like a form Google Analytics and Google Analytics UTM tracking are the way to go set it up properly.

    And you’ll be able to track everything that you need from beginning from the source of your traffic to the thing that they did.

    If you need identifiable information, you’ll need to integrate your marketing automation and CRM system.

    And if you’re going to make great decisions, make sure that you spend some time learning how UTM tracking codes work.

    And in fact, you can search this on my YouTube channel and find other videos on UTM tracking codes, best practices, but make sure you’re using them well, because if you don’t, the data gets messed up.

    And unfortunately, you can never go back and fix it in Google Analytics.

    So anonymous.

    Hopefully this answers your question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Switching from B2B to B2C Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Switching from B2B to B2C Marketing?

    Arryck asks, “What tips do you have for a marketer who is switching from B2B to B2C marketing, focusing on moving a lot of product in store and online?”

    Fundamentally, B2B and B2C are the same thing. The question is how complex the sale is. A lot of B2B marketing also resembles mortgages, college educations, etc. – lots of decision makers, long buying cycles. A lot of B2C marketing looks like transactional B2B, like when you buy a software license with your credit card. Beyond that, focus on where customers get stuck, and fix the least well-performing stage in the buyer’s journey.

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    In today’s episode arc asks what tips you have for a marketer who is switching from B2B to B2C marketing focusing on moving a lot of products in store and online.

    So fundamentally, b2b and b2c at the same thing, right? You’re selling to human beings.

    The real question is how complex is the sale now a lot of b2b marketing it is complex sales.

    Lots of decision makers long buying cycles.

    Emphasis very strongly on relationships.

    And there are b2c products that look just like that.

    mortgages, car purchases, college education, high risk transactions where someone’s going to have a long time to wait.

    A lot of decision makers, a lot of consultation, a lot of checking reviews and things to make sure that Making a good choice.

    Now, a lot of b2c marketing looks like transactional b2b, right? You go on to your favorite SAS software provider where you can go and just swipe your credit card and got your software you may not even interact with a human being just get up and go write a short buying cycle, low risk, low budget, and very fast.

    So there’s no structural difference between b2b and b2c.

    What there is a differences in the complexity of the sale and how complex your company’s products and services are in terms of complexity of sale.

    So the first thing to do is find out how complex is the sale of media question comes to mind is how long is the buying cycle from first touch, meaning awareness, all the way to purchase, how many days weeks months years is the product if it is yours, you’re going to have a buying process and marketing technology and all those things.

    It looks just like B2B There’ll be an advanced CRM, they’ll be sales agents, nurturing people through the process, etc.

    If the product has a very short sale cycle, you know, under 30 days, and you’re going to have things like e commerce, probably, you’re going to have more maybe distributors or resellers in the mix there somewhere.

    And you’re going to apply the same strategies you do for any non complex sale, we’re instead of creating a individual long term relationship, you’re probably gonna be working with large audiences and working with segments.

    Working with brand awareness overall, getting people to trust the brand, be loyal to the brand, building a large community around the brand, trying to make sure that people stay in touch, keep coming back, and building that recommendation engine or referral engine I should say where consumers who have a positive experience Going back and evangelizing and making sure that you are getting new business from satisfied customers in b2b, or average taking complex sales that’s, you know, very much in a one to one basis in b2c that’s going to be for transactional stuff much more large scale.

    So focusing on things like reviews, sites, product reviews, ratings, depending on where you sell, there may be a built in rating system if you’re selling your product on on Amazon, for example, gathering up Amazon reviews, weeding out trolls and robots etc.

    No matter which type of sale you’re you are working with in terms of complexity.

    The number one thing you need to do when you make the switch from one company to the next is look at the overall buyers journey awareness, consideration, evaluation purchase and However granular your new company gets you I’ve seen some people with operations funnels that look 15 stages of funnel, whatever the organization does, you’re going to map out your key performance indicators, your here your funnel metrics from stage to stage and that funnel and determine at what stage Do you lose customers the most? Is it from website visitor to prospect is from prospect to qualified lead is it from lead to sale.

    And again, regardless of whether it’s simple or complex sale, you may have just an audience and go right into a credit card purchase but there will still be stages at which that audience member is giving things like consideration and evaluation plan.

    They may not do a whole lot of it.

    Right? No one almost no one We’ll spend months researching a pack of chewing gum.

    But there will still be that moment of consideration when they come they get up the supermarket counter, you look at it go look at the price, they look at the packaging.

    Yeah.

    And either they pick it up and buy it or not map out your operations funnel and then start by fixing the least well performing stage in the buyers journey as long as it’s under marketing’s control, it’s not under sales.

    It’s not a sales issue.

    If the company is that divided and fixed the least well performing stage and marketing the least performing stage that you are responsible for and you will automatically create multipliers of growth everywhere else.

    So, if you have awareness consideration evaluation purchase and the transition rate or the conversion rate from awareness to consideration is 10%.

    And consideration to evaluation is 2%.

    And evaluation of purchases 15% fix that consideration to evaluation phase, if you could take that from 2% to 3%, you’re going to have 50% more sales downstream, right? Because you have increased that stages conversion rate by 50%.

    A lot of people tend to focus on what they know best, or what is easiest to fix.

    Fix the thing that’s most broken.

    And you will see multipliers of of performance down funnel it it’s the one the easiest simplest tactics I can I can recommend.

    Now, depending on what the problem is fixing the underlying problem may not be so easy but at least in terms of what’s your first order of business, your first order of business.

    And this is true even for if you’re in your job right now.

    You’ve been there for I don’t know 15 years.

    Do that exercise map out your marketing operations follow map out the stages, from stage to stage and figure out Okay, where are things broken? Where have we fallen down the most? And what can we do to improve that and again, if you can improve conversion rate from one to 2% you’ve automatically doubled the performance of everything thereafter in the funnel because you’re sending twice as much traffic through that stage is like a, it was like kids sand toys with the sands going from stage to stage and rock gets stuck in one of them and clogs it, remove that clog.

    Everything else from there on out flows.

    So that’s the immediate tip.

    Again, regardless of its b2c b2b, simpler, complex sale, map out your operations funnel.

    Remove the clogs.

    That’s it.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Discarding B2C Email Addresses in B2B Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Discarding B2C Email Addresses in B2B Marketing?

    Dennis asks, “I’ve been disqualifying and discarding consumer email addresses like GMail and Hotmail in my marketing automation system. Is this a best practice?”

    In a word: no. The reason your prospects do so is probably because they can’t receive certain kinds of emails and attachments at work. Meet them where they are and accept the emails, qualifying them on other, more relevant factors.

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    In today’s episode, one of the folks yesterday at the breakfast analytics roundtable siloed said, I think his name was Dennis as b2b marketers, I’ve been disqualifying leads in our, our marketing automation system because they have like a Gmail or hotmail address.

    Is that an okay thing to do? I said, No, not anymore.

    Maybe that was true five years ago.

    But if you look at people’s behavior, and how they, how they do stuff, that’s not the way the world works anymore, especially in b2b and here’s why.

    If you have a white paper, a webinar and ebook, a download an infographic, something on your website, and you have customers who are in any b2b company any, any larger company period that uses things like Barracuda, which is a firewall, a hardware firewall on the network or so in the more restrictive antivirus, software packages.

    People who work there know, they may not ever get your email, and then they’re like, Oh, yeah, our firewall blocks all emails have any kind of attachment to it.

    So what are those people do naturally, they put in an email address that they know can get the download the PDF, the whatever, and that’s a gmail address, a hotmail address, and AOL address.

    But whatever the address is, They know they can get their email there.

    So should you disqualify those people because they didn’t put in a work email? Oh, absolutely not.

    You can ask them later on, either just just outright or with something like a marketing automation system, the sports progressive profiling, where every time somebody visits a form, you ask them for just one more piece of data to build out their profile.

    But either way, I would not be throwing those email addresses away.

    In the end, does it matter? Does it matter that they have put in a gmail address as long as they read your email and they respond to you and they convert? shouldn’t matter at all.

    It should just be Hey, this is what works best for you.

    The customer use it.

    Now there are some folks will say well, if if you put in a hotmail address, then you can’t use the Fancy sophisticated account based marketing tools and all that stuff that will look at a work domain like Trust Insights, de AI and be able to pull data about that.

    That company’s firma graphics again, doesn’t matter.

    It makes it easier for software to do things in an automated fashion for sure.

    But at the end of the day, if that’s what works best for the customer, let the customer do it the way they want.

    Let the customer use their hotmail address they want to and if they’re if they are a legitimate prospect, and at some point you’re going to have a follow up, call or meeting or WebEx or whatever.

    And you’ll get that work email.

    It just doesn’t work.

    When you correspond them say, Hey, what’s the best email for me to stay in touch with you at work? And you’ll get it.

    The challenge though, is that marketers have Always been, but especially with a lot of data tools become very, very, very selfish.

    Like we want the data we want.

    We want things to work our way.

    If you’re good marketer, you should want the customer to be happy first, and work around the inconveniences from a data perspective so that the gospel remains happy.

    So that’s today’s episode, work with what people give you meet them where they are you you may have to do more work, but they will be happier and if they are happier, they are more likely to give you their money.

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