Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What’s a Good Google Ads Budget?

    You Ask, I Answer: What's a Good Google Ads Budget?

    Megan asks, “What is a good google ad budget? Is 1,000 / month too low for good results?”

    There is no one-size-fits-all answer to the question of how much you should spend on Google Ads, as it depends on factors such as the level of competition you are facing, the targeting you are using, and the quality of your landing page. However, you should expect to spend at least a few hundred dollars per month to see any results.

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    In this episode, Meghan asks, What is a good? What is a good Google Ads budget? Is 1000 a month too low for good results? It depends.

    There’s so much that goes into Google ads that in terms of budget and quality and add appearance and stuff that there’s no obvious answer to that question.

    Now, let’s talk about some basics.

    For sure.

    You do have to spend more than like, 1.

    Right? There are breakpoints in Google ads, there seem to be where oversight, certain budget amounts tend to get better results, you know, like100 a day, 1,000 a day,5,000 a day, and 20,000 a day, and particularly for the way Google Ads work.

    Now, with a lot of machine learning, the more budget you put in, particularly upfront and fast, the faster the algorithm can tune to the results and the target objectives you’ve you’ve set.

    So there is certainly something to be said for front loading your budget a little bit so that you can tune the AI faster.

    But the big things that that determine budget for Google ads is one, how much competition are you facing? Right? If you’re advertising something that is high volume in searches, but low competition, which is a unicorn, they’re very rare.

    You don’t have to spend a ton of money, you will get good results from you know, 100 200 300 bucks a day.

    If you are on the other hand competing with why don’t know walmart or amazon on something, you’re gonna have to, to spend more going up against the heavy hitters.

    The amount of available inventory matters.

    If you are in B2C marketing, right now it is November of 2022.

    As I record this, your Google Ads budget has to be much bigger right now from now until December 27 28th, you’re going to be spending the even if you’re not putting up more ads, just by virtue of the fact there’s so much more demand for ad inventory right now, because everyone’s trying to sell for the holidays, your budget is going to go up, guess what, you know, January three, four, if you sell toys, that’s going to be pretty easy time to run ads, because that you know, the holidays are over at that point.

    By the way, the holidays are people spending on gift cards.

    So just keep that in mind.

    So competition certainly matters.

    The targeting, you’re using matters a whole bunch, right? The more refined you’re targeting, the more specific you are within reason, the less you have to spend because you’re not trying to reach everybody, you’re trying to reach a specific group of people.

    Now there are definitely some audiences in Google ads where it will say, yeah, there’s this is too small to target, we can’t, we can’t target just these 50 people, you have to be a bit more broad than that.

    But that can influence your budget substantially.

    And finally, things like quality score matter a whole bunch in Google ads.

    Quality Score is the relationship between the search terms that people are looking for, particularly for Google search ads, the ad copy and content itself, and the landing page where people are being sent, the more aligned those things are, the higher your Quality Score tends to be, the better quality your landing page is with the more mobile friendly it is the again the the better your Quality Score tends to be.

    And that means that in the ad auctions behind the scenes, Google ads will say, well, it’s not just who’s bidding the most, but it’s also who’s going to be the most satisfied by the result.

    And so Google’s internal ad bidding algorithm looks at quality score as a function of where do we send the clicks? Where do we how do we show ads in order ads to ads that are bidding on the same thing, but one has a much higher quality score than the other may not spend as much on budget, like they may win the auction at a lower cost.

    Because Google’s algorithm is says the user is more likely to go to the site and be satisfied by the experience, and therefore, the company will get the business and is more likely to continue spending money on Google ads.

    So there really is no good answer to this other than there are minimums.

    What I would recommend is start with a specific and audiences you can manage, put a lot of time into the landing page, put a lot of time into the ad copy and the ad creative.

    And then start spending some and see what kind of results you get.

    And do a little bit testing and stuff in the in the beginning.

    The more you can spend up front ideally in the first three to four weeks to get the particular if you’re using the new bidding strategies, the newer bidding strategies, the faster those will be soon and machine learning model and start delivering better results.

    And then you can throw your budget up or down from there.

    But give yourself again, it depends.

    If you’re spending 1000 bucks a month, you’re probably going to be tuning your ads in about 30 days give or take, right, you’re spending100,000 A month you’re going to those ads are going to tune within a couple of days, because you’re just sending that much traffic through the system.

    And the machine learning model can tune that much faster.

    So the more you spend particularly up front, the faster your your ads tune, because you’re just gonna send more traffic to them.

    So yeah, there’s there’s no good answer.

    It’s like, you know, how much should I eat? And I don’t know it depends on your health and how hungry you are and what’s available, and things like that.

    So it’s a tough question to answer, but thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What’s the Right Marketing Budget?

    You Ask, I Answer: What's the Right Marketing Budget?

    Julie asks, “What’s the right marketing budget?”

    I hear this question a lot during this time of year, when marketers are facing new strategies, new plans, and of course, new budgets. The answer to this question is more complex than it sounds, and requires a fair amount of research at your firm. Asking this straight up is like asking what the bill for dinner will be before you’ve even decided what you’re going to have. Obviously, if you have a firm constraint, that’s your budget. If the CFO says you have X dollars and says no use case or business case can change that, then that’s your budget. But let’s explore making a case. Watch the video for the data and analytics you’ll need.

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    In today’s episode, Julie asks, What’s the right marketing budget?

    We hear this question a lot during this time of year because marketers are facing new strategies, new plans, and of course, new budgets. And the answer to this question is a lot more complicated than it sounds. It requires a fair amount of research on your part requires some market research and requires understanding

    the goals everything that goes into marketing asking this question straight up like this is like asking, what’s the bill for dinner going to be before you even decided what you’re going to have? We’re going to go or are asking the doctor, what’s my budget for surgery and doctors like whoa, we don’t even know what’s wrong it

    so how do we approach budgeting? How do you approach marketing budgets if you have a firm constraint Now, obviously if the CFO says

    Hey, you got 10,000. That’s all I can spare. You know, that’s that’s literally all we’ve got in in the can and says there’s no use case or business case at all, you know, we have what we have done that too. But that’s that’s pretty straightforward that’s probably the easiest and unfortunately the most difficult type of budget to work with because there is no flexibility on on the part of the company and that that happens.

    The second question to ask if there is flexibility or if you’ve been asked, hey, what should the budget be? The question is, what are the goals? What are the goals that the company is trying to achieve? If the CEO has said hey, this year we got have 15% growth year over year or 15% revenue growth that’s when you can start to back into what your budget will be. Because if you think about your marketing operations follow you have revenue from existing customers revenue from new customers, which you have sales deals closed

    You have sales deals. And then you have opportunities and proposals and you have leads, you have prospects you have audience. And if you layer this funnel together and you put all your analytics together,

    you can reverse engineer work backwards to what each layer of your funnel

    brings in revenue and then what it costs for that. So for example, if you do this whole process, let’s say sales worth1,000 and you do everything and you find out that eventually a lead is worth 10 and a website visitors worth1 because it takes 10 website visitors to get to one lead

    in that example, if you know that a visitor is worth 1,

    you know the end and the CEO said 15% revenue growth then you need you’re going to need

    15% more of everything to get to

    That that 15% growth. So what does it cost you to get qualified web traffic and whatever that is, say it’s, you know,5 visit because you make it up on the customer lifetime value down the road, then, you know, you’re going to need 15% more of that every day, every week, every month every year, and you can give them a budget and save, it costs us 10,000

    this year is going to cost us11,500 to get you the amount of traffic that you need in order to hit that 15% revenue goal. Right. So that’s a case where there’s a revenue goal and you can reverse engineer your marketing to your costs to figure out what you’re going to meet for a budget. If the goals aren’t clear for the company that that’s a separate problem. But you can benchmark off of what similar companies

    charge for users their marketing budget. So if you are not familiar with the CMO survey, it’s offensive.

    Twice a year survey released by Duke University. And I think one of the big consulting firms, I can’t remember which one and they release interviews with 500 CMOS and talk about major things like budgeting. So let’s go over and take a look here

    since 2012, which is one of the first question, the question was first asked, What is marketing spending as a percentage of company revenue we’ve seen that been as high as 11%. And then the most recent one of August 2018, about 7.3%. So if the company’s overall revenues are, you know, 100,000 or a million dollars, or10 million or a billion dollars, the marketing budget, the spending is 7.3% of that and then we can go down and this is a fat but it’s a fantastic resource just to read in general, but you can see by category b2b spends 5.4% beat b2b product be to be service 7.1% B to C product 10%.

    BB services 8.9%. And so if you’re looking at the overall top line budget, that this gives you a good sense of what is the spend

    calibrated was the industry average for your sector. And you can download the detailed data for specific industries to find your vertical, you can see like some of them, like internet sales or education is a top spender in that category. So that’s a way to get at the top line number if your company’s goals are just flat out, not clear. Now, one of the challenges with this approach is that this gives you the overall top line budget, you know, companies companies going to spend

    10% of their revenue on marketing. Well, great. If your company’s hundred million dollars you can spend 10 million on marketing. How would you calibrate that? How do you turn that into something that’s more channel specific? The way to do that is with attribution analysis. And you need to have really good attribution analysis in order

    To say, this is what we should allocate our budget based on the impact of each given channel. So let me show you an example of an attribution analysis. This is one done using machine learning to type of machine learning called Markov chains. And what it does is you run it against something like your Google Analytics data to say, like, where do our conversions come from, and it will mix and match all the different channels and steps that people take based on your existing data. And Kelly played digital Jenga with them to understand like this channel results, it always causes conversion or this channel never causes conversion. And by doing this a few million times with your data you get a sense of this is the impact of that channel. So in this case, for this particular example, this customers

    organic search, 19.7% of conversions were strongly impacted by organic search if I’m trying to figure out but

    budget and guess what 19.7% of my budgets going to go to organic search work to SEO work to make

    to make it work better, and enter to keep that channel strong

    email 12.8%. So again, if I’m trying to figure out what to spend now, if I’ve got100,000 and I want to spend, you know, $12,870 on email, email service provider fees, that is people time that is creative. So when you do your marketing budget, you do have to account for all the different costs and figure how to allocate that that budgets not just hard dollars, you want to allocate people time this as well. Then there’s Twitter, Facebook, and so on and so forth. So attribution analysis will then help you take that marketing budget, whatever the dollar amount you get is and slice it up according to the different channels and allocated appropriately. This is all

    thing that you can do, you can use machine learning to a very sophisticated way. But you can even do it with built in tools in Google Analytics and not as good, but they’re okay. And they’re certainly better than just guessing. So

    what’s the right marketing budget?

    The last consideration is if there’s a strategic imperative that requires you to do things differently, to say, Hey, we’re going to grow our audience on Facebook, or we’re going to grow our referral traffic, or we know that the industry is moving to voice search. And so we’re going to double down on SEO,

    do the activation analysis and then manipulate the numbers, push them say, okay, we’re going to we’re going to 719 percent of organic search, we’re going to go to 22%, and that extra 3% is going to go towards organic search towards Voice Search. We’re going to make that I think so that’s the last factor in this is there’s a strategic imperative that will have to override some of the calculations but you want to start with these calculations first.

    So that you can then make sensible adjustments and maybe even pull from certain channels because at the end of the day, you still have that same pile of money you’re working with. So really good question, a very complex question that will take you some time to do this. It will take you time and effort to do the calculations. But if you do them well, you’ll use your market marketing budget. Well, you will invest smartly in in your marketing and you’ll get the best possible result with the resources you have. So great question, Julie. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel on the newsletter and join our free slack group which you’ll find in the show notes want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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