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  • Mind Readings: The Opposite of Quiet Quitting is Ambition

    Mind Readings: The Opposite of Quiet Quitting is Ambition

    In this piece, let’s talk about quiet quitting and its opposite, ambition. What is quiet quitting? What is ambition?

    Quiet quitting is a trend that is described as people doing only the minimum required in their jobs. It is about setting boundaries and saying that an employer does not have the right to demand extra work of you that they’re not paying for. Ambition is the opposite of quiet quitting and is about people willingly volunteering to work well beyond what they’re paid to do. As an employer, you can create conditions where employees want to express their ambition by making them feel safe, paying them fairly, and building real professional friendships.

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    Christopher Penn 0:15

    In today’s episode, let’s talk about quiet.

    Winning.

    This has been a term that has been in the news recently, it is something of a buzz term.

    And what it is and what its opposite is.

    So what is quiet quitting? Quiet quitting is a trend that is described as people.

    It’s typically assigned to younger folks, but I think it’s applicable to everyone who are doing only the minimum required in their jobs, right? They look at their job description, they say, this is what I’m getting paid to do.

    And that’s what you do.

    And at the end of the day, you stop working, and you go about with your life.

    Now, there’s a bunch of different perspectives on this.

    But it’s really centered most heavily on salaried employees.

    And there are contrary opinions people saying, well, what about people who want to get ahead and stuff? Quiet? Quitting seems like not the way to do that.

    And, ultimately, quiet quitting itself is about setting boundaries.

    It’s about setting boundaries and saying, Okay, this is what I’m, I’m being paid to do.

    I’ll do that.

    I’ll do it to the best of my ability.

    And if I’m asked to do things that I’m not being paid to, do I have the right to say, No, I have the right.

    See, yeah, that’s not what I’m being paid to do.

    Think about this.

    Especially if you’re a salaried employee, how much does your pay increase commensurate to your effort? Right? Does working 10% more hours get you 10%? More pay? If you’re an hourly employee? The answer is yes.

    If you’re a salaried employee, the answer is probably no.

    Does handling 10% More than what’s in your job description? Get you 10% More pay? What about 20%? Or 50%? If the answer is 0%, meaning you don’t get any extra for the extra work that you do.

    Why do it that’s not to say you shouldn’t do your job, right, give the 100% you’re paid to give.

    That’s that’s the agreement.

    That’s the trade.

    Imagine like, there are people who are very angry about this, but like, imagine you’re going to a grocery store, you pay for what’s in your cart, and then you insist that you didn’t get enough value and just stop putting boring stuff in your cart after you’ve checked out without paying for what happens to you.

    You you get the bracelets in the back and and a ride downtown, right for theft for shoplifting or stealing.

    For a an employer to insist you do more than you’re paid for is still stealing.

    You’re stealing a person’s time.

    And if an employee volunteers, that’s one thing.

    But if you’re insisting Yeah, you got to work on this project.

    You know, you got to work extra hours this weekend, whatever, and you’re not getting paid extra for it.

    Quiet quitting is about saying Nope, I got stuff to do.

    And you’re not paying me to be here to do that.

    Now, a number of folks have said old this is, you know, sort of a terrible work ethic.

    Well, is about it.

    To me, it seems like you’re doing work commensurate to what you’re getting paid to do.

    So what’s the opposite of quiet quitting? What’s the what’s the thing that people are looking for thinking about it? That is ambition.

    Ambition is the opposite of quiet quitting.

    And there’s nothing wrong with ambition at all.

    If someone wants to hustle and grind and work extra if they if you are a person who is willingly and knowingly consenting to working above and beyond what they’re getting paid for.

    Great.

    And that’s a good thing.

    And for the folks who are like, well, you know, in my day, I used to do you know, to put in the extra time to try and be seen.

    Yeah, that’s called ambition.

    The difference between quiet quitting and ambition is you’re not insisting that a person do that extra work for free, right? That person is volunteering.

    They’re raising a hand saying, I want to do this extra work for free.

    And when somebody does that, recognize them, celebrate them to be happy you have them and treat them well.

    And do your darndest to hold on to them.

    Right? Put them at the front of the line for promotions, pay raises and bonuses and parties and whatever else you can figure out.

    Quit quitting is all about setting boundaries.

    The employee is the one in modern society, the employee is the one who has to set the boundaries of how much they want to let work into the rest of their life.

    You have this period of time where you’re expected to work whatever it is you’re expected to work.

    anything extra you do above and beyond that is voluntary if you’re not getting paid more for it and so quiet quitting is people saying yeah, I’m this is the limit.

    This is the line here.

    This is where I’m paid.

    This is where I’m not paid.

    I’m not going to bring work into the not paid part of my time.

    where employers and older folks like me run into trouble is not understanding the difference.

    Right? Mandating extra work that goes unpaid that’s, that’s not okay.

    Right? That is stealing.

    And that’s why quiet quitting has become a trend.

    But if somebody willingly volunteers to work well beyond what they’re paid to do, that is their right to do so right.

    As long as they consent to it, they’re not being coerced, they’re making a conscious choice to do so.

    And if we as if we recognize that they have the right to withdraw, that consent, that withdrawal back to the boundaries of their job description, commencer pay, then we should gratefully accept whatever else they choose to gift us of their time, because it is a gift.

    And we have to do our best as employers and managers to recognize and true up those efforts, those extra efforts, as we have the resources available to do.

    So.

    That’s the difference.

    When you tell somebody, you must do more than you’re paid to do, that’s not okay.

    When somebody says I volunteer of my own free will, to do more in the social expectation that it will be returned in kind some day.

    That’s the person’s right to do.

    For a good chunk of my career, I was the person who tried to do more to try to be seen try to do as much as possible to to be noticed.

    And this is just my personal experiences as an n of one as a sample of one.

    But it never really paid off.

    Right? It never really paid off.

    Did I get that big promotion? No.

    Did I get that huge pay raise? No.

    Did I get you know the big payout, the big bonus? Now, for the last 20 years of my career? Did I retain my job? Yes.

    Did I get a lot of praise? Yes.

    Was that praise accompanied by material recognition of my efforts? Not really.

    Yes, there were small bonuses here and there, but not commensurate to the value that I was delivering.

    My last company, the team that I built with my coworkers, was the second largest billing team in the entire company.

    We with a scrappy little group of 10 people, we’re generating more revenue than most of the other teams.

    And when we got our year end bonuses, they were so appallingly small compared to the revenue we’re generating, that we’re like, why why bother? So I completely understand the trend of quiet quitting, I completely agree with it, that an employer does not have the right to demand extra work of you that they’re not paying for.

    That’s not okay.

    I also acknowledge that if you have ambition, and you work in a place that is conducive to ambition being recognized, that’s your right, go for it, hustle, grind, you know, do whatever the, the trendy term for hard work is these days.

    Now, if you’re an employer or a manager, how do you create conditions where employees want to express their ambition where they want to put an extra effort, it’s actually pretty simple.

    Not easy, but it’s pretty simple.

    Number one, they have to feel safe, right? So you have to create a safe space for them to, to flex their workstyle and let them deliver the results that you want.

    In a way that’s most convenient for them, right, you’re you know that you’re more likely to put in extra work if you’re comfortable doing so right? If you know that you can put in extra hours but you don’t have to miss you know, your kids baseball game or your significant others birthday party or you know, those those things that very often an extra work takes away from if you can create a safe space for people to to experience that to balance their lives.

    People will feel safe.

    I remember, you know, I quit a company back in 2012 when a loved one passed away, and I was on a business trip, and I said I need to get home and they’re like, No, you need to finish this, this assignment remote network, right.

    I’ll finish it and then we’re done.

    That’s it.

    We’re done.

    And I quit.

    That was that.

    It wasn’t quiet.

    It was just quit.

    That company had no interest in providing a safe space.

    Another company I worked for.

    I was traveling like 30 of the 52 weeks of the year.

    And so I was missing birthdays and anniversaries and all kinds of things, rehearsals and recitals.

    And because my team was so successful, it’s such a big revenue generator.

    We had to do that too.

    To maintain that pace, but it cost a lot.

    And it was not rewarded in kind.

    So if you put your people’s lives before work, generally speaking, they will put more of their lives into work as long as they have the flexibility to say, hey, you know, my kids got soccer practice at 3pm.

    Today, I’m out and you’re like, cool, see ya.

    And then they catch up at 9pm.

    That night.

    Cool.

    That is the essence of the often quoted rarely done, results oriented results only work environment.

    Row, it’s called results only work environment, very few people actually do that, even though a lot of people talk about it.

    But if you can do that, that’s one way to help people’s ambition.

    Number two, fulfill that ambition as quickly and as thoroughly as you can go to bat, go to bat for your highest performance when it comes to pay raises and bonuses and other forms of compensation.

    As as fast as you can, as big as you can reward that ambitions because ambition and volunteering is essentially a social debt, someone who’s volunteering and giving you more time and the expectation is repaid.

    At my last company, I had one direct report that was up for a promotion.

    And I recognize that she was doing way more than her job description was way more than than the next position up.

    So it took a lot of fighting and a lot of very politically unpopular things behind the scenes, but we got it done, we got promoted to director level positions of a manager position because she expressed the ambition she did the work, she went above and beyond and you got to pay that out.

    You have to pay that if you don’t pay that out, people will not express their ambition, they will simply quiet quit and say okay, well, if you’re not going to, if you’re not going to recognize my efforts, why bother? And do you blame them.

    And number three, this one’s going to be tricky.

    But you have to build real professional friendships with your highest performance, relationship power, the ability to ask for help from someone through the strength of the relationship you have with them dramatically over performance, role power, which is when you have a title and say I’m the manager, you’re not the manager, I tell you what to do.

    That’s role power.

    Relationship power, dramatically outperforms role power.

    So if you are good about cultivating relationships in a in a professional context, but you build a strong professional relationships with people, strong professional friendships, that helps people fulfill that ambition helps people a feel comfortable to express it and be to to fulfill it.

    Yes, you have to pay it out, you have to pay it out.

    But the intangible benefits also have to match right? Recognition, praise, good performance reviews, and other intangible benefits as you can create them.

    In my last position, one of the things that, that people said to me, I thought was really interesting was they said they stuck around and didn’t quit our team and go someplace else, because they felt like they were getting paid to go to graduate school, they felt like they were learning so much on the job so often, that it would be silly for them to leave and lose that opportunity to learn from the rest of the team.

    That is not something you measure in dollars, per se, it is but it is definitely a benefit that is powered by that relationship by that willingness to give in multiple ways to your team.

    So that so the, in some ways, you know, their ambition is just a counter payment of sorts, right? If they feel like they’re gaining $50,000 A year education for free, and actually getting a paycheck for it, then they also will feel some sense of social obligation to to repay that.

    Again, that’s not something you want to rub in somebody’s face, right? You do it because it legitimately helps your team.

    But in doing so it helps foster loyalty.

    It helps foster strength of relationship it helps.

    It helps build that relationship power so that

    someone is not only okay working a little bit harder, maybe a little bit longer, but they enjoy it because it gives them a chance to grow.

    Right so that’s sort of quiet quitting and it’s opposites.

    Quiet quitting an ambition are two sides of the same coin.

    Quiet quitting is what happens when you as a manager or an employer, don’t make people feel safe and take more than you give.

    And ambition is what happens when you make people feel safe.

    And when you give more than you take.

    So give that some thought if you’d like this video go ahead and hit that subscribe button

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Agency or Freelancer?

    You Ask, I Answer: Agency or Freelancer?

    Ali asks, “When should we use an external agency, and when should we use freelancers?”

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    In today’s episode, Ali asks, When should we use an external agency? And when should we use freelancers? That’s a really interesting question.

    Because there’s a whole bunch of different ways to answer this.

    The reason you bring in any external party is because of a lack of resources, right, you have some resource deficiency in your own organization that you can’t address.

    And therefore, you can’t get business done without filling that gap somehow.

    And your two main resources are a partner company, and a partner, individual freelancer, which one you choose, I think, depends to some degree on on the type of need.

    Fundamentally, there’s two gaps that we’re looking to fill, right, we’re either looking to fill a time gap, meaning we have the capabilities to do these things, we just don’t have the time, right, we don’t have enough people to get all the work done.

    That’s one gap time gap.

    The second gap is a skills gap saying we have the we have enough people on staff, we have enough time, we don’t have the skills to pull it off.

    Right.

    So if you think about something like exploratory data analysis, or machine learning, modeling, those are things where you might not have those skills in house.

    And so you would bring in a partner of some kind to fill that gap.

    And of course, you can have a situation where you can have both a lack of time and a lack of skill.

    Generally speaking, when you hire a freelancer, you are hiring for a skill that they have that can can backfill, mostly time issues, right? Like, we’re creating content marketing, we’ve got four writers, but we really need seven.

    So we’re going to bring in three additional freelancers.

    That usage of of the contract individual, the partner individual, lets you expand your workforce effectively, right, it’s like adding more employees.

    When you bring in an agency, you’re less bringing in more employees and more bringing in like a different department almost like a different entity.

    And that tends to be better suited for a gap in skill.

    Right? If you just don’t have the skills on a team to do machine learning modeling, you bring in an agency that you will have, do those things.

    There’s also an aspect of risk involved.

    Right, freelancers are fairly low risk, right? They’re individuals that you bring in, may maybe do, maybe they do the thing, maybe they don’t do the thing, but because their contract individuals, everything is work for hire, and everything is at will meaning.

    Tomorrow, you can say the freelancer, you know, we’re good, we don’t need any more help.

    So our work here is done for now.

    And presumably, that would be in the contract that you both signed with agencies, because it’s a larger entity, and it’s typically more expensive than freelancer.

    You as the purchaser of services can ask for more, you can say, hey, I want a certain minimum level of quality, I want a service level agreement, I want this, this this and this as part of the contract and at the agency.

    The agency will negotiate and say okay, well, if you pay this, you can get this, you can pay this, you can get this, if you want evenings and weekends, we can do that.

    But it’s going to cost you X percent more on the contract, because we have to bring our resources to provide that coverage.

    So in cases where you have higher risk, having an agency, which is a company as a legal entity, may be the better choice because you can require them to accept more of the risk, right? A freelancer, it’s really attempt to say like, Hey, you know, we need you to work evenings and weekends, you may get some freelancers who be willing to do that.

    But it’s a lot, I think, less convenient to do that than it is to simply put that in a scope of work of an agency and say, Hey, you will provide 24 by seven coverage of this contract.

    And then if the agency doesn’t do that, you can have it you can then enforce a service level agreement, say, Hey, this is what we agreed to.

    This is what you delivered.

    And these are the gaps between the two.

    So I would say those are generally how you might want to think about deciding when to use an agency a Wendy’s freelancer, one is filling,

    Christopher Penn 4:51

    predominantly time, adding effectively additional employees and one is bringing in capabilities that you might not have another Their aspect is scale.

    When you hire a freelancer, you know that you’re hiring a person, right? This person can do this thing.

    And, and they effectively have a scale, right? They have a skill limit, they’re one person and you know, 40 hours a week or even 60 hours a week, you can get stuff out of them.

    But they have limits.

    Theoretically, theoretically, an agency doesn’t have a scale issue, you say, here’s 20,000 a month, I expected this amount of output, whether it’s done by one person, three people, five people, we don’t care, this is what we’re buying, we’re buying this level of output from you.

    And it is then incumbent upon the agency to figure out its own staffing internally as to how to meet that output.

    That can get really expensive, because some agencies do bill by the hour they build by their labor costs.

    So you have an account coordinator who bills at 125 an hour, you have an account manager who bills at 175 an hour, and so on and so forth.

    And that those time based agencies that can get real expensive, real fast, but fundamentally, an agency theoretically does not have a scale limit.

    As long as you’re willing to pay more, you theoretically can get as much work out of the agency as you want.

    And again, that’s a limitation that a freelancer simply can’t do, because they’re just one person.

    So those would be my answers.

    I think there’s a lot of wiggle room, I think you can certainly hire a freelancer based on the skill gap that you don’t have.

    And that might not necessarily be a bad idea, you might even go to have a try before you buy, right you hire a freelancer who to build statistical models, you find this freelancer, they really terrific.

    And you say, hey, look, what’s it going to cost us to just give you a full time contract, right, and you convert them to an employee.

    That’s another aspect, by the way, with agencies that it can be very challenging it can be if it’s not specified in the contract, it can be a very, very, very ugly fight.

    If you actually want to hire contract talent from an agency, some agencies are more forward thinking ones have essentially a purchase program, right? Hey, if you hire one of our people, you have to pay us 42% of their base salary as the referral fee, right? Because you’re, you’re effectively taking talent away from us.

    Somebody just needs to have that that provision built in.

    Whereas freelancers, you know, it’s an as an individual, so you, you could theoretically make a persuasive argument to say like, yeah, we’ll pay you, whatever, whatever you want, we just want you to come work for us.

    So lots of different considerations about agency or freelancer.

    There are, there are some agencies that do charge a lot of money.

    And those are cases where you might look into the value that you’re getting, and say, you know, you might be better off with us a stable of freelancers, we would have to absorb the management cost of managing the Freelancers, and the Freelancer relationships, but you might make that up on the backend, because you’re not paying225 an hour for for somebody’s time, you might be paying a freelancer, you know, market competitive, but still substantially less, because agencies typically charge agencies typically charge anywhere from two to 4x, what they’re paying, so if they’re paying a person, you know, 40,000 a year, which is about 20 bucks an hour, they’re gonna bill out that person 100 bucks an hour,125 now, and so on, and so forth.

    With a freelancer, you’re probably looking at most of the time, you know, oh, 1.52x, maybe 3x.

    Their, their rates and stuff.

    So for the same skill set, you might be paying less, again, highly variable depends on the market you’re in.

    But those are considerations to the one thing I think is really important to say is, no matter whether you’ve got an agency or a freelancer, you’ve got to be super, super clear about deliverables.

    And expectations, setting expectations, community expectations, and when you’ve communicate an expectation is not met, you got to let people know.

    And almost all contracts that you sign that if they’re any good, do have some kind of provision to say like, Look, you didn’t meet the objective, or you didn’t do what you said you were gonna do.

    And so we’ve got to figure out whether there’s a fee reversal or something for that, and, again, those cases where agencies probably will have more more documentation than some freelancers will about how to handle disputes when it comes to output.

    So that’s something to think about as well.

    So really good question.

    We could spend a whole bunch of time on this, but those would be some good starting points to think about.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Finding Qualified Candidates?

    You Ask, I Answer: Finding Qualified Candidates?

    Brandon asks, “We’re really struggling trying to find qualified candidates for our open positions. We’re paying competitively, but we can’t find anyone to fit the role. What do you suggest?”

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    In today’s episode, Brandon asks, we’re really struggling trying to find qualified candidates for open positions.

    We’re paying reasonably competitively, but we can’t find anyone to fit the role.

    What do you suggest? Okay, so the, the Yellow Flag immediately is saying we’re paying reasonably competitively.

    The reality is that talent is still at a substantial deficit, right? We still don’t have enough people that stayed in the industry.

    And so available talent that is willing to work for you, is going to be expensive.

    So there are two different ways to handle this one, the obvious way is to pay more, right, instead of being paying competitively out compete the market, you might have to have smaller headcount.

    Right? If you are hiring for five positions, and paying reasonably competitively, you could probably hire for three positions and pay exceptionally well, that would certainly be a big help.

    The second thing to do is to consider the qualifications of what it is you’re looking at.

    Because one of the things I think companies are doing most wrong right now is they are looking for very short term investments.

    And I guess the way I would put this is, companies seem to be looking for employees that are like widgets that you can just pick up like a cog, put it in the machine, and it’s ready to go and boom machine keeps running, you’re going to pay a lot of money for that capability, you’re going to pay for someone to hit the ground running as the cliche goes in, literally every job description there is, if you are willing to invest in people sort of grow your own.

    You don’t have to pay outrageous sums.

    As long as you’re willing to trade off.

    Yeah, you’re not going to hit the ground running, that’s gonna take 3060 90 120 180 days for a person to get up to speed.

    But once they do, then a you’ve helped advance their career.

    B, they might have a bit more loyalty to you, because you’ve clearly shown you’re willing to invest in them.

    And see, it opens up the candidate pool considerably.

    Instead of looking for somebody with, you know, three to five years experience, what would it look like? For you to identify someone really smart, really eager? Good attitude, strong aptitude, but no experience? What would it look like to hire a person like that? And if you have to pay the hit the ground running person, $100,000 a year? Could you find somebody who truly is entry level, start them off at 60? And say, Look, we know it’s going to take us six months to get speed, right? But as you do as you grow into the role, will teach you what you need to know as long as you’re capable of thinking as long as you’re self directed and motivated.

    As long as you can follow directions and ask questions when you get stuck.

    We can make this roll work for you.

    Like I said, that opens up the candidate pool considerably.

    When you look at the number of people who could work for you, but don’t necessarily because of your current requirements.

    Changing to a instead of a hunting strategy, more of a farming strategy, right instead of trying to find the the perfect deer in a rough winter.

    Maybe you farmed all summer, and now you’ve got crops to eat over the wintertime.

    But it took a lot more work.

    It took a lot more work to get to that point.

    Think about all the categories of people who might have aptitude, might have attitude, but don’t have a stitch of experience.

    Folks who maybe never completed a college degree, folks who are veterans, folks who are in some way impaired but still perfectly capable of doing a job.

    It’s just that they’ve not had the opportunity folks who come from economically or socially disadvantaged backgrounds.

    Folks who come from economic opportunity zones, right? In the USA we have huge numbers of people who are example on a American Indian reservations and things.

    People are people brains, our brains, right? For a lot of the work that we do in marketing,

    Christopher Penn 5:09

    this, the physical, it really is just the case for the computer in here, right.

    So what this looks like and where it’s been is less relevant than what the machinery in here can do.

    So if you are willing to broaden your requirements, if you are willing to remove some requirements and spend more time looking for aptitude, looking for attitude looking for affinity for the different tasks, you might find really good candidates who just need a shot, just need a chance.

    And you can start them off as entry level, right, because if they have no experience, they are entry level and you can pay accordingly.

    But commit to growing them, right.

    This is like venture capital.

    If you think about hiring as venture capital, you can pay full price for a company that’s already a hit.

    Or you can invest in a whole bunch of startups.

    Nine of the 10 MAE won’t make it but that one that does, is going to meet your they’re going to knock it out of the park, right, you’ll recoup your investment many times over.

    The same thing is true of people, you’re not going to hire rockstars every single time.

    And frankly, if they’re like Keith Richards, right.

    But if you hire a bunch of folks, and invest in them, acknowledging Yeah, some of them aren’t going to work out, maybe the majority of them aren’t going to work out.

    But taking that attitude of investing, and growing your own talent, dramatically relieves the pressure of your candidate pipeline, when you have open positions.

    Look at internships, right paid internships, paid internships are a great way to identify young talent.

    And it’s a place where you can take hesitant to call it risks, because just because someone has no experience doesn’t mean they’re a risk.

    But you can be more adventurous in what qualifications you do or don’t need, right? Find a mom who’s wants to return to the workforce only part time, right? That may be a great candidate, somebody who has a perfectly functional brain, but has circumstances that needs more flexibility, as long as the work gets done.

    But it doesn’t really matter.

    So I would suggest that if you don’t want to spend a gazillion dollars hiring, ready to go people, and you have a corporate culture that permits you to be a little more adventurous in your hiring that you look at all these pools of less traditional candidates looking for talent in the in the most literal sense, looking for good aptitude, good attitude, people who want a chance people who want to want to try making their mark and you’re willing to grow with them, you’re willing to invest in them.

    Again, when you do it right.

    retention becomes a lot less of a problem.

    Right, as long as once they’re up to speed, you’re paying them competitively with what the rest of the market is paying.

    Once they’re at that point.

    They are much more loyal to you.

    And and again, assuming you’re not like a jerk to work for, but give that some thought.

    give that some thought.

    That’s how I would solve the qualified candidates pipeline issue in the long term and fully acknowledged it’s not going to solve your problem today, right? But solving your problem today is going to require you to dramatically overpay.

    Investing in people in the long term will solve the problem on a mostly permanent basis.

    Really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Getting Hired As a Marketing Analyst?

    You Ask, I Answer: Getting Hired As a Marketing Analyst?

    Susan asks, “How do I improve my odds of success in getting hired as a marketing analyst?”

    Watch, listen, or read to find out my answer.

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    In today’s episode, Susan asks, How do I improve my odds of success and getting hired as a marketing analyst? Well, it depends.

    It depends on the hiring manager.

    And this is very tricky because a lot of people and this some that my my partner and co founder Katie Robbert talks about a lot.

    A lot of people who are in a hiring manager role right now may not necessarily have the best toolkit to hire effectively, they may be hiring based on criteria don’t matter.

    But that’s a separate discussion.

    You can find out more about that stuff in some of the podcasts over over TrustInsights.ai AI, for improving your odds of getting hired as a marketing analyst.

    When someone hires an analyst, they’re generally hiring for one of like, two or three reasons.

    One, they need more, more warm bodies, right? They need more hands on deck to process and spit out analysis, right? So how do you communicate that you’re a highly effective analyst that you can take data and turn it into a finished product? Better, faster? Maybe cheaper than others? Right? What are your skills? What are the things that you can do? What are the things you have done? One of the big things people do wrong with hiring, or even with your LinkedIn profile is not enough focus on results, and too much focus on process.

    People don’t buy process, they buy results.

    When you look at your LinkedIn profile, you’ll see your last position, what results are you communicating about it? I improved processing time 15%, I increased lead generation by 22%.

    I added $1.5 million in sales pipeline in my first 60 days, something like that, where a hiring manager goes, oh, this person can get results.

    Because the hiring manager really is looking at like three things, right? Is this person going to be more trouble than they’re worth? Right? Am I better off suffering with the staff I have now? Because this person is going to make my life even worse? Or is this president campaign ad life better.

    So you’ve got to be able to reassure person that you’re going to help make their life better and not worse, you’re not going to be more troubling with second thing this is this person will get me fired? Hate.

    Which kind of is the same as I think more trouble than they’re worth.

    But it speaks to, can you deliver results? Right? Can you deliver results that a manager can claim credit for, because that’s how that works.

    And three, is, is this person that helped me get promoted, or get a bonus, or something like that? Those are the three, if we’re totally honest, those are the three things running through a hiring manager’s head, I think I make my life worse rather than better, or they’re going to get me fired, or they’re gonna get me a bonus.

    And if you can explain and share and showcase your experience, your skills, your knowledge, your affinities and aptitudes.

    And connect the dots for that manager so that you can say, Yes, I’m going to be less trouble.

    I’m going, I’m not going to make your life worse, I’m going to make your life better, I’m going to make your life so much better that you will get a bonus this year, our department will outperform because you brought me on.

    That’s how you improve your odds of success.

    Because you are addressing the unspoken needs of that manager that managers wants their problems to go away.

    And if you can showcase here’s how I make problems go away.

    Your odds of success are substantially higher.

    This is not just true for marketing analysts.

    This is true for any role in a company from cmo all the way down to intern.

    How will you make the hiring managers life better? Right.

    And it’s when you get to the interviewing states, those are questions you can ask like, Hey, why are you hiring for this position? And dig into not just the organizational needs, but the personal needs to like, hey, because one of the reasons you’re hiring for this position, because you’re like working till like 9pm every night? Oh, yeah, I can help with that.

    Right? I will.

    You’ll get to leave work at six instead of nine.

    Did you get your butt handed to you by your manager or your by your director? Because results were bad last quarter, I can help you get those better results, right because I can help you find out what went wrong.

    So figure out the aptitudes and the skills that you have and how they map to the real needs of the hiring manager.

    or and you will improve your odds of success dramatically.

    Because you’re speaking to what? What they really want to buy.

    They really want to buy fewer problems for them

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    selves.

    They really want to buy better results for themselves.

    That’s it.

    It’s that simple.

    It’s not easy, but it is that simple.

    Good question.

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  • Mind Readings: Civil Society and The Great Resignation

    Mind Readings: Civil Society and The Great Resignation

    In today’s episode, we look at LinkedIn’s report on where frontline workers have gone – and perhaps some of the reasons why.

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    In today’s episode of Mind Readings, let’s talk about civil society and the great residents action. LinkedIn, published in their Economic Graph News recently, a study on what happened to all the frontline workers. So these are folks who worked in hospitality and retail restaurants, et cetera.

    This customer facing positions. Right. And obviously, there has been a lot of churn in those industries, people leaving for other opportunities. So the question is, where did they go? Well, LinkedIn understandably has that. And let’s look at the information here. We see number one, growth from front line workers moving to other positions, real estate, 15.2% in two years.

    Construction and number two, tech and media. Number three, transportation, logistics. Number four, ranching, farming and forestry number five. Now, give some thought to this. People who worked in things like food service, like the takeout line, like being a Starbucks, going to something like farming, ranching and forestry and talk about a completely different working environment. Well, why did this happen?

    Why did these people go to these places It’s not hard to figure out why. When we look at the way people and I can only speak for the things that I’ve seen in the country that I live in, which is the U.S. just some incredibly bad behavior by customers, people behaving like toddlers, honestly, but with all of the destructive capability of an adult.

    Right. Breaking stuff, screaming, getting into fistfights with other customers and employees, shooting people There’s been no shortage of really bad behavior on the part of customers. And it’s no surprise if you worked in one of those positions, you’re like, you know what? This is not what I want to do with my life. Dealing with a spoiled brat, adult and all of their issues So why did this happen?

    Well, think about what the pandemic did. The pandemic, particularly in the first six months, shut down everything And we essentially hit the pause button. And in many nations, pandemic assistance brought supplemental income to people both at the national level in many nations and here in the USA at the state and national levels. Depending on the state you lived in, what did that allow people to do?

    It allowed them to take a step back, to look at their lives and say, am I happy making $12 an hour serving coffee to people who yell at me that I put almond milk and soy milk in their latte? And for a lot of folks, like, yeah, you know, this is not what I want to do with my life.

    And the reason for that is that pay is out of alignment with the work being asked And this is a really important concept We get paid to do work and paying people more, which is important. Paying people more is also means paying them proportional to the work that you’re being asked to do. So if you’re being asked to make coffee, that’s worth a certain amount of money.

    But if you’re also being asked to handle unruly customers to traffic control, to de-escalate violent confrontations, that’s a separate job, right? That’s a totally separate line of work. And in a lot of cases for your average retail employee, they are wholly unqualified to be doing that kind of work. Right. They should not be an on the spot therapist.

    They should not be an on the spot police officer. That’s not their job. Their job is to check out people’s groceries and stuff like that. And so this rash of uncivil behavior essentially dramatically increased the workload and tasks of frontline workers without a commensurate increase in pay. And even now, as companies are trying to, you know, recruit people, they’re running into shortages.

    They’re running into a lot of talent shortages because a bunch of people have decided they would rather go out and manage a forest than deal with a customer. And to be honest, as a misanthrope and an introvert, I totally get that. Construction, transportation, logistics, farming. These are not traditionally strong customer facing positions the way that retailers So how do we get people back into their frontline positions?

    You may not be able to because the underlying issue is that the work that those positions are being asked to do that is effectively in the job description is not what you’re paying people for. Right. You would need to supplement that in order to win those people back. So, for example, suppose you have a line of cashiers. You also need to have a security guard with a big red button at every cashier station saying, Hey, I got an unruly customer here.

    Please come get, you know, take care of them.

    And you’ve essentially paid for offloading that very critical, very important, very dangerous task from someone who’s unqualified do it to someone that is qualified to do with having a security guard to deal with that That’s how you win those employees back over the long term. One of the great, I think, dis services that we have done to ourselves and our employees is wholeheartedly embracing the term.

    The customer is always right. No, no, they’re not. And an awful lot of the time, the customer’s really wrong. Right. When a customer leaves a water bottle filled with their urine on a shelf, that customer’s not right. The customer doesn’t need to be in the store. Right. And yet these sorts of things happen all the time. So how do you solve for that?

    Well, I don’t know that you can. I don’t know that you can change customer behavior except to draw the line in the sand with extra security guards, for example, to say, you know what? There’s some behaviors that are simply unacceptable. And if you want to shop here or dying here or get coffee here, you have to go back to living the social contract that we all agree on that says you’re not going to be a jerk to other people.

    One of the strongest things a company can do is an adopt a no jerks policy and not just for the employees, but for the customers as well to say, you know what? If a customer acts like a jerk, we are going to reject that customer’s dollars. We’re going to say, you may not do business here because as companies are finding out, replacing employees is really expensive and really painful.

    You lose a lot of institutional knowledge. You lose a lot of culture. And it’s a long process to get a new employee. So if you adopt a stringent no jerks policy across the board management line workers, customers, vendors, partners, you say to everyone this is going to be a better place to do business. Right. For those customers who are not jerks, they’re going to feel better shopping in your stores or getting coffee right.

    Because they’re not going to have to cringe and endure a hostile environment when a customer another customer’s behaving badly. When you stand up for your employees, they will stand up for you, right? They will. You know, the old expression, you take care of your employees and your employees will take care of their customers. And not a lot of companies do that.

    So is the customer always right? No. What I might rephrase that is the the best customers are right. Right. The jerks are not right. The jerks can go take a long walk off a short pier. And what will remain to be seen is how many companies have the practicality and the intestinal fortitude to make that change, to say, yes, we are adopting a no jerks policy and we are willing to turn away dollars.

    We’re willing to turn away business from people that we don’t want to do business with. And in time, that may affect customer behavior at large. Right. Because if you are blacklisted at three of the four retail stores for groceries in your area and you’re not allowed to shop there anymore, it might dawn on you that maybe you’re the problems, right?

    Maybe you’re not the person the company wants to do business with. And maybe you’ll change your behavior. Now, I’m not saying that you are this person, but I’m saying in general. So we lost a lot of people to other professions, and that’s OK because those professions need people, too. But if we want to have a functioning frontline economy, we need to have the rules of common decency bolstered for a little while until people are reminded that, yeah, you can’t be a jerk and still get what you want.

    I mean, you can be a jerk, but there are consequences for being a jerk. So that’s what’s on my mind today. Hopefully your company, your organization, wherever it is, you are already has a no jerks policy. And if they don’t, please feel free to share this video with them and say, hey, let’s adopt a no jerks policy, because that will make life better for everyone, for customers, for vendors, partners, and especially employees.

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  • Mind Readings: Entry Level Means No Experience

    Mind Readings: Entry Level Means No Experience

    I was helping a friend with some job searches this week on LinkedIn and the number of “entry level” jobs requiring 1-3 years of experience and a skills list as long as my arm was obscene. Those are not entry level jobs. Why do companies do this? They want to pay entry level wages for more senior workers. But in the Great Reshuffling, that strategy is broken.

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    In today’s mind meeting, let’s talk about jobs.

    Specifically, how companies are approaching advertising for jobs.

    I was helping a friend this past week with some job searches on LinkedIn.

    And my friend is looking for entry level jobs you know, admin, content marketing, real strong writer, but new, brand new fresh off of actually just got out of the armed forces and started pulling up all these entry level jobs.

    And they all say 123 years experience must have no SEO and content marketing and keyword research.

    And I’m like, What the heck is wrong with you people? That’s not an entry level job.

    An entry level job literally means you just got out of the army.

    And you have no work experience whatsoever.

    Come on in this is an entry level job.

    This is a job that requires no experience requires no skills, because you’re not expected to have any, you should have aptitudes, right.

    You should have the ability to learn quickly and work well with others, those are aptitudes.

    But asking somebody to have SEO experience for an entry level job is ridiculous.

    When were they supposed to get SEO experience if they’ve just graduated from college colleges certainly don’t teach SEO.

    And even if they did, I wouldn’t trust it.

    Because an awful lot of universities when they teach digital marketing or teaching stuff from five years ago, just because somebody says they have SEO experience, like yeah, you have SEO experience from 2015, which is effectively when your colleges curriculum was built for this topic.

    So if you are hiring, and you will have advertised an entry level job, it means no experience, no proven skills in the workforce, etc.

    why do companies do this? Well, the cynical jerk, and MAE says that it’s because companies are cheap.

    And they advertise something as an entry level job with non entry level skills so that they can pay you an entry level wage.

    For more senior work, that might have been fine.

    Well, that might have been something they could get away with.

    A few years ago, when you had more people looking for work than there was work.

    That’s not reality today, right? It is early 2022.

    As I’m recording this video, the job market is upside down.

    Companies are starving for talent and the days of being able to underpay somebody are over.

    To be quite frank, when you look around at the job market, when you look around at the number of vacancies there are you’ve got to raise wages, right? You got to pay people appropriate to the level that you want them to have now starting somebody on minimum wage, with minimum skills, meaning none.

    That’s okay.

    Right, because that’s the pay is aligned with experience.

    Somebody with three years of experience is not entry level at all.

    They are they are mid staff level, possibly on the verge depending on the company of management of like being the junior most manager.

    That’s not an entry level worker, and you’re not going to be able to attract talent today that is willing to work for less than they are worth because one of the upsides of the great reshuffling, or whatever we’re calling it nowadays, is that workers have said, we want to be paid what we’re worth.

    I don’t disagree, right as an employee, even though I am a co owner of the company, but as an employee, I want to be paid what I’m worth, when I pitch my services to prospective customers, I want them to pay what I’m worth not with the minimum amount that they can get away with.

    The difference now is that because there is such a lack of available talent companies are having to step up and say yes, we will grudgingly pay higher wages if we can get you to actually take this job.

    So if you want to get ahead of the curve, if you want to be able to attract talent and stand a chance of keeping it you need to substantially revamp your hiring processes and look at what skills you’re asking for.

    Look at what how many years of experience you’re looking for.

    And then match your compensation and your job listings.

    For those things.

    If you need somebody three years of experience, call them a mid level specialist right because that’s what they are.

    If somebody is entry level They are fresh off the boat.

    They have no skills whatsoever.

    They only have aptitudes, they maybe have some like academic products that they did while they were at university.

    But that’s it.

    And if you want to pay entry level wages, you have to get entry level workers.

    Christopher Penn 5:15

    My other advice for and this is for career seekers is because companies are in such dire straits apply for whatever job you want, right? Within reason, like if you’re one year out of college, you probably should not apply for a CMO job.

    But if you see a company hiring for the area of specialty or expertise that you have, it’s okay to punch up a level or two, right? So if you’re a manager, apply for the director position.

    At worst, they’re just gonna say no, right? But chances are, in today’s market, there are companies are so starved for talent that they might be willing to take a bet on you.

    And if you can live up to that bet.

    If you can show them that.

    You can do that higher level job at the higher level pay, you might be able to advance your career a little faster than you would have say three years ago.

    So entry level means no experience.

    If you are a hiring manager, and you’ve got entry level jobs that say they need any kind of skills, please revamp that job title.

    Thank you very much.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Leveraging Engineering Talent for Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Leveraging Engineering Talent for Marketing?

    Heather asks, “If you had the ability to add an engineer to your team, with a penchant for data analysis and interest in SEO but no marketing/comms background or experience, what are some ways you would use them?”

    That’s an interesting question because it depends on the kind of engineer the person is. Someone with, say, a chemical engineering background is going to be adept at setting up and running experiments, and a mindset based on skills like stoichiometry will let them develop complex, balanced formulas for marketing outcomes. Part of your challenge is determining what they’re conceptually good at, and mapping that to your needs. What software skills do they have?

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    In today’s episode, Heather asks, If you had the ability to add an engineer to your team with a penchant for data analysis and interest in SEO, but no marketing comms background or experience? What are some of the ways you would use them? That’s an interesting question.

    Because it depends, it depends on the kind of engineer a person is, you know, somebody who has this software engineering background is going to be very different than somebody who has bio status statistics or biotechnical, engineering, background, engineering in general.

    The common traits are, obviously, people are very quantitative, they, they have good knowledge of the scientific method, they have typically good adherence to processes and a willingness to embrace process, and have things be repeatable, have things be reliable.

    You know, for example, my brother is an aerospace engineer, and many of the technical skills.

    The quantitative skills are shared across different engineering disciplines, you know, basic statistics, the ability to do complex equations, and the ability to make those equations work towards a specific outcome and to be repeatable and to be rigorous.

    So somebody say with, like a chemical engineering background, they’re going to be more adept at things like fluid dynamics along with a mechanical engineer.

    There’s the skills and strict geometry, for example, the ability to balance equations and things, those are not soft skills, but their core engineering capabilities that you can actually pick up and do domain transfer, to the discipline of marketing.

    So let’s take stoichiometry the ability to do balance formulas, somebody who’s good at that is going to be somebody who is good at taking complex marketing formulas.

    If you think about some of the more complex formulas we deal with in marketing, that require advanced calculus and linear algebra skills, multiple regressions, gradient boosting techniques, like really complex calculus equations for understanding how knowledge spreads across a graph.

    Those are all things that are not necessarily native to engineering.

    But an engineer could pick up and learn very, very quickly, very easily, it would not be a very difficult lift for them to go from, say, doing mass energy transfer to understanding network dynamics.

    And the challenge that you face here is determining what that particular engineering person’s background is, and what they’re conceptually good at.

    And then mapping that to your needs.

    So if you have needs in SEO, or needs in basic marketing analytics stuff, how do you map that person skills to that somebody who’s really good, for example, biostatistics is going to have an easy time, an easy time with Google Analytics, right? In terms of complexity of environments, Google Analytics is way less complex than a lab bench.

    And so you can take those that person’s skills, and then try to figure out how do you solve your challenges with their skills, the the tougher part actually is on your side, which is to be clear about what your needs are like, Hey, this is when you’re dealing with engineers, you have to be clear, you have to be very, very clear, this is what I want, this is the outcome I’m looking for.

    Not Hey, I’d like to make SEO better.

    That’s way too open ended.

    That is not something that is scientifically rigorous, and is not something that an engineer is going to be able to go, Oh, I don’t want to do that.

    They’re gonna look at you and go, and what would you like me to do? So your challenge would be something like, I need a way to do regression testing with Google Analytics data.

    There will be some things that they will not have aptitudes for a lot of data engineering is not something that in my experience, you know, other scientific engineers have had a lot of success with accepting, of course, software engineering.

    That is, for example, if you sat down chemical engineer in front of Google Analytics data, they could probably make something of it if you told them to write software to go connect to the Google Analytics API and retrieve the data.

    And it’s not going to go so well.

    There are exceptions to every rule, but in my experience in working with various people, that’s not something that they wouldn’t be able to do easily.

    So you’ll still have some challenges on the data engineering side that really only data engineers and software engineers are best suited for.

    Obviously, anybody can learn anything.

    But out of the box that’s persons not going to have strong aptitudes, they’re the big question I would also have is what software skills do does this engineering person have? Someone in biostatistics, for example, is going to have a very strong background in either SPSS or R.

    And those two languages are obviously very, very well suited for working with marketing data.

    I use r all the time, literally every single day, to do even relatively basic stuff, like getting data out of Google Analytics, it’s just a fantastic piece of software for that.

    So software engineers, probably gonna have some experience in Python.

    And that’s definitely going to be something that will be coming exceptional, handy when pulling data out of various applications.

    Again, with the caveat that most folks in scientific engineering don’t have a lot of background and extracting data out of API’s.

    So just know that that’s a thing.

    You do want to look for somebody, ideally, who has coding skills, because there are certainly a lot of purpose built applications and every scientific discipline that you know, pre packaged apps, that those will not translate well into marketing, those will not transfer, probably at all into marketing, but somebody who can write code is going to do well.

    The other thing that is important is, you’re going to need to have good management of the person and understand that managing engineers, typically is different than managing other kinds of employees, they are, again, very outcome driven, you have to be extremely clear, they some have good project management skills, some do not.

    That varies pretty wildly.

    And giving them feedback on things, one of the challenges you’re going to run into is you may not necessarily know how they’re doing something, and you will have to work with them to have them explain how they do things.

    So that you can offer feedback about how they might do it better.

    One of the challenges I’ve had in my career is I’ve worked for people who don’t understand what I do, and so therefore cannot offer guidance about how to improve my processes or how to improve my code.

    Certainly, they can offer feedback on how I can improve the outcomes I deliver.

    But it is that left to me as a self directed learner to figure out how can I make this better on my own.

    And if you have a person who needs a mentor who needs external assistance to be motivated to learn, you’re gonna have to learn that early and find somebody who can provide that guidance.

    Because it’s really challenging for the person if they get frustrated, and there’s nobody that can turn to for help.

    So there’s a few of the thoughts, I would have them again, focusing on if they’re, if they’re a good engineer, they should have a good technical background in data analysis.

    That’s true of almost every kind of engineering.

    And I would look at the data challenges you have and say, Okay, how can we map this person’s skills to this person to our challenges? And again, that requires really getting to know that person and what the skills are that they have.

    Interviewing, seeing their work, trying to understand the kinds of problems they’ve solved, I think is really important to be able to to ask them to show me some of the tougher problems you’ve solved some of the more difficult experiments you’ve run and how you navigated those challenges that kind of informational question before or after hiring the person will be beneficial to you to understand them better.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: College Degree for Marketing Success?

    You Ask, I Answer: College Degree for Marketing Success?

    Mark asks, “Do you need a college degree to succeed in marketing?”

    Like any profession, success in marketing is about combining knowledge plus practical application to generate experience. How you obtain those pieces is up to you, but for many employers, a college degree is a heuristic they use to screen and judge candidates.

    Generally speaking, you’ll see statements like “or equivalent years of experience” on more progressive job ads. You have to be able to demonstrate that you’re more talented than someone with equivalent educational background.

    One final consideration: more and more of HR is automated. A degree is a simplistic way for systems to filter candidates.

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    In today’s episode Mark asks, Do you need a college degree to succeed in marketing? Well, like any profession, you know, success in marketing is going to be a combination of your academic knowledge, understanding the theory, the frameworks, all the pieces.

    And combining that with practical application, there are plenty of people who have great theoretical background, and can’t do anything.

    There are plenty people who have hard working skills, but have to reinvent the wheel constantly, because they don’t have the academic knowledge to essentially take proven shortcuts to make processes run better.

    How you obtain that combination of academic knowledge and practical experience is up to you.

    A lot of people, the vast majority of people in marketing go the college route, where they take some form of higher education, whether it be a bachelor’s degree, a master’s degree post, baccalaureate certificate, all these different things, to get the academic knowledge and then enter the workforce.

    Now, here’s the catch.

    To the employer, that is a results only work environment.

    Your academic background matters substantially less than can you get the job done, can you deliver the results.

    But for the average hiring manager for the average HR person for the HR systems that are in place that have algorithms screening candidates, a higher education of some form is a heuristic it is a single data point, that it’s easy to make a snap judgment on and that snap judgment allows the person or more and more of the system to shortcut, right to say, Okay, this person has this academic background, they move into the the viable candidate pool, this person does not.

    And the challenge with a lot of these HR is systems is that you don’t really get a chance to make your case because the system has already screened you out.

    Right? You have already been removed from consideration.

    And you don’t know why.

    Right? You don’t necessarily see that.

    Because none of the hrs systems out there will spit out a here’s why you are rejected, right? You would have to follow up with the company and maybe get an answer from them.

    But they themselves may not necessarily know why the system did or did not choose you.

    And if you check out the major vendors in HR, many of them use very sophisticated systems and algorithms for screening candidates to make Candidate Selection easier, particularly in an environment like we have right now recording this on the tail end of 2020, where you have many, many more candidates than you do job openings, right.

    And so you will post up a job opening and get three, four or 500 candidates.

    And the average HR manager does not have the time to do that for you know, the 10 or 15 or 20 job openings they have.

    So the system will do the screening upfront.

    Thus, having that degree does satisfy the system requirements whether or not you’re any good at anything.

    I mean, heck, we all know people that we went to college with who were intellectually not as gifted, right? Who or maybe didn’t work quite so hard as they should have unless you count drinking heavily is working hard.

    But at the end of the day, like the the old joke goes, What do you call the person who graduated last in their in their medical school class who call them doctor right? The person out there in marketing who has the degree even if they’re they got by with a 61.

    Right, they are still they still have a college degree.

    And in a system that is automated, that it looks at a very black and white comparison degree no degree, that person still gets the nod even if they’re completely incompetent.

    more progressive firms will definitely put things like or equivalent years of experience in their job ads, they will say like a four year degree or equivalent experience.

    So you have to be able to demonstrate in those ads that you do have the replacement experience for the college education.

    And that can be a little bit tricky.

    But more than anything, when you are you look at the candidate pool overall.

    And you look at what’s out there, you can see that there is a very strong bias in marketing to have some form of higher education.

    So let’s bring up this data.

    So this is the data from up here.

    This is the data from the iPads integrated post, post secondary education data system from the US Department of Education.

    These are for college degrees in marketing, the percentage share of people out there and what kind of education they have.

    So we see that the bachelor’s degree forms at 4.95% of all the post secondary level the educational status out there.

    And that is that consists of 40,000 people per year, that has gone up substantially.

    Since 2011.

    crank this out, this data only goes to 2017, because the Department of Education does lag up very substantially and their data collection, and we can see that other outcomes master’s degree less than one year post secondary certificate etc.

    Form substantially smaller amounts.

    If you combine a bachelor’s degree and a master’s degree here, 85%, and almost 7%, there’s 92 ish percent of people in marketing have some kind of higher education degree.

    When we look at the non higher education degrees, we have an associate’s degree, which comprises about now three and a half percent.

    And you can see that’s been on a sharp decline since 2013.

    And one to two year post secondary education certificates, which are essentially non the candidate pool there, the number of people is very, very small.

    Right? So what we see is that there is a very strong bias in the marketing profession for people to have that that substantial post secondary education Do you need it to be successful? It depends.

    If you’re planning on working in a larger Corporation, you’re planning on working in a in a larger agency, you probably do need it.

    Right, you probably do need it because you’re going to get screened out.

    If not, if you work at a smaller agency or a startup or things like that, probably not, you won’t need it as much, right? Because those hiring processes tend to be more personal, they tend to be not as automated.

    And you have the ability to at least plead your case, right before a hiring manager, I remember when I went to go work at my first startup in the early 2000s, you know, the hiring process was come in and sit in this shabby little office and, and, and just talk through the things that they had going on.

    And it was a great opportunity to be able to explain my background.

    I do have a higher education degree, but it was not relevant to marketing.

    And we explain how that degree translated or could translate into success for the organization.

    And it did actually a few years later.

    But the point being, you have to find the type of company that is willing to accept a non traditional background, at a non traditional background where you don’t have what the system is looking for.

    If you want to work within the system, the the bigger stuff out there, you need the degree.

    There are other things that a college degree can bring.

    And some people do experience things like alumni networks, and being able to to reach out to people who have that common experience.

    I’ve never had to use that.

    My networking has always been digital in the wonderful world that we live in.

    But there are some people that they rely heavily on that.

    And so that is a benefit potentially, that you could realize from a college education.

    So in short, there’s no conclusive answer as to whether you need a college degree does it help you succeed? Yes.

    Hey, does it help you pass muster from increasingly automated systems? Yes.

    Does it preclude you from success? If you don’t have one? No, but it makes things harder, it makes things more difficult.

    So should you go get one? Here’s the big question, what is the return on investment? Right? If If you go to say you know, a state school or you do two years of community college and finish off your last two years at a state school, and you can graduate with little or no debt? The answer is yes, it is worth it.

    Because you will there there is a clear correlation between level of educational attainment and financial outcome right there is that is without question.

    But if you go and get in, get a bachelor’s degree, and you come out with a quarter million dollars in debt, is that worth it? That is much less clear.

    Right? In the long run, yes, but it makes for a very, very difficult time.

    So if you can be savvy and get the education at a very low cost, then by all means, do so.

    Right.

    Another option for a lot of folks to consider less so during a pandemic but is getting higher educational attainment overseas somewhere at at a non American University for if we’re talking about America here, which has been my background.

    There are plenty of countries that offer very good education even for non citizens at substantially lower costs and at the end of the day, you Have a degree and the degree is no better or worse than the degree from a college in the United States you’ve never heard of.

    But it checks the box on what the system is requiring.

    So that may be something to consider as well.

    Looking for where can you get a decent education at a much lower cost? So the ROI of a college degree is less clear what with tuition and costs being what they are.

    Have a whole lot more to say on this because it used to be my profession for seven years, but say that for another time, do you need a degree? No.

    Does it help? Yes.

    Should you get one only if you can make it cost effective? If you can get strong ROI by not graduating with a ton of debt? You have follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Merging Liberal Arts with Computer Science?

    You Ask, I Answer: Merging Liberal Arts with Computer Science?

    Mbeiza asks, “Merging Liberal arts with science helps make what one has to offer unique. How can I merge the liberal arts with what I want to do in order to have a unique skill or product to offer?”

    Fundamentally, a successful marketer has to be both qualitative and quantitative – the ability to be half art, half science. The first step is to determine where you’re weakest. How well do you know things like anthropology and ethnography? Music, art, literature -all the different ways we communicate with each other? Psychology, sociology, etc. You’ll find in each domain there are qualitative concepts to explore and quantitative concepts as well.

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    In today’s episode and bays asks, merging liberal arts with science helps make what one has to offer unique How can I merge the liberal arts with what I wanted to do in order to have a unique skill or product offer.

    So fundamentally successful marketer has to be both qualitative and quantitative, that is half art, half science, there really is no way to be successful going forward, that it’s something that’s too narrowly specialized unless you are literally no one of the top 1% in that specialization.

    And the reason for that is that artificial intelligence continues to make such substantial strides that within the span of our lifetimes, many individual tasks will be turned over to machines to do Now that doesn’t necessarily mean that we are going away per se, but it means that we will need fewer, far fewer of us.

    In order to get work done.

    I’ve often said be like being a conductor of the orchestra.

    Rather than being the first violin challenges.

    Of course, you only need one conductor in the orchestra.

    Whereas you have lots and lots of musicians.

    But if all musicians are performing narrow specializations, like violin or clarinet or whatever, then you don’t really need people for those other roles.

    So to be a successful marketer going forward to plan well for the future, and quite frankly, to be well structured for whatever challenges come your way.

    I really do believe that, that liberal arts education, that broad spectrum of knowledge is important and yes, you will find not every subjects exciting.

    Certainly, that was my experience, but you have to be half hearted Half science, creative and quantitative, rigorous, but also able to, to vary outside the rules when you need to.

    And the first step to making that determination is figure out what your weakest.

    Where are your vulnerabilities.

    Think about what marketing and business to a greater or lesser degree fundamentally is.

    It’s about communication, right? It’s about communication people, which means that we need to understand people, we need to understand communication.

    So that means subjects like anthropology and ethnography, being able to understand how people interact with each other.

    And sort of the history of their ability to do that.

    That means understanding psychology and sociology.

    Again, individual behaviors group behaviors.

    That means understanding communications methods, visual auditory kinesthetic, so music, art, literature, dance, not necessarily doing those things.

    Although it certainly doesn’t hurt, but at the very least understanding what those things are and how they’ve evolved, especially in a global economy, one of the challenges that a lot of students will face is that their learning materials tend to be skewed towards a certain point of view.

    This is especially true in the United States where everything is overly centered, centered on the United States and kind of ignores the rest of the world is why 11% of students in America can’t find America on a map.

    Anyway.

    So music, art, literature, dance, all the different ways you can communicate with people visually, auditorily kinesthetically to convey messages to them.

    And then absolutely, I’m hard sciences.

    You’re talking about statistics and probability, mathematics all the way up through things like linear algebra, and advanced calculus.

    You’re talking about the scientific method to some degree, understanding things.

    Like biology and chemistry and physics actually do have relevance to marketing, to understanding why things happen the way they do, especially when you start to get into really complex subjects.

    Like why like how machine learning works, machine learning and AI, coding, being able to write in Python are being able to use databases.

    Marketing is essentially how to interact with the human race.

    Right.

    And so everything that is in the human experience is something that you can study and it will have value for understanding certain groups of people.

    I wouldn’t be so worried about a product to offer.

    And at this point, I would not be terribly concerned about having a specific unique skill to develop.

    What you want to be able to do is have a broad base of knowledge to draw from that you can bring to a variety of situations that will really help you Form problems that you’re asked helps off and be extremely versatile.

    So whatever the challenge is, you have some level of competency that can make the challenge a little bit less daunting.

    That’s why things like you know, technical skills, being able to write code, but being able to interact with something like music, together are much more difficult for machines to copy.

    AI is very bad at broad knowledge.

    AI is very good at narrow domains.

    If you can have that broad knowledge that lets you develop multidisciplinary domain expertise.

    It’s very hard for machine to copy.

    It’s very hard for machines to create because most people are not that way.

    And because we train machines on past existing data, if you can create things that are net new that are not part of the machines previous corpus of learning We’re not in a substantial enough way.

    You can add value the machines simply cannot.

    So that’s a lot to tackle.

    Again, figuring out where you’re weak, where you’re weakest as a, as a learned person is the first step.

    What are all the things that you could study? What are the things that are likely to be important? And I forgot to mention in there One other area that’s really important, particularly if you are in marketing is the ability to study business, right? Everything from operations to management to finance, I can’t tell you how many marketers I’ve met who have absolutely no idea how to compute ROI, how to compute, net profit, things like that.

    So those basics are super important as well and are definitely lacking.

    So where are you weakest and where were you also strongest, whether the areas that are so appealing to you that if you could just do those things or study those things deeply.

    How can you bring other disciplines into those areas of study, for example, I’ve spent a lot of time on analytics.

    I spent a lot of time on an in data science, but I also spent a fair amount of time doing natural language processing.

    So understanding literature and styles and writing and all these things is important to being able to do that well, not necessarily just to be able to write the code, but also to know what to look for, to know to be able to judge the merits of something based on the outputs it gives, working on a piece of code that deals within stylometry, which is the measurement of writing styles.

    And if you didn’t know anything about how, you know, different authors have different styles and you weren’t able to have that knowledge base, then when the machine spits out results, there’s no way of knowing whether it did a good job or not.

    But if you have some level of domain expertise in that, you can you can fact check the machines.

    So that’s a lot to tackle.

    Again, start with the evaluation.

    Figure out where your weakest wins and then double down on what you’re strong at and mitigate where you weakest.

    If you have follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Long-Term Career Planning?

    You Ask, I Answer: Long-Term Career Planning?

    Heidi asks, “TED.com published a list of top 10 careers to stay employed through 2030 including Socially Distanced Office Designer and Virtual Events Planner. What do you make of their predictions?”

    The careers listed are too short term. They’re pandemic-centric, and while the pandemic will be with us for a couple of years, it won’t be a full decade. What should we be thinking about? Focus on what won’t change, and how technologies and services will adapt or adjust those things.

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    In today’s episode, Heidi asks, ted.com published a list of the Top 10 careers to stay employed through 2030, including socially distanced office designer and virtual events planet, what do you make of their predictions? Well, in looking at these and I’ll put a version up here.

    A lot of these are very short term thinking very short term, and they’re very pandemic centric.

    The pandemic isn’t going away anytime soon.

    But it is going to be with us for only a couple of years, probably two years or so.

    That’s the time it will take to develop a vaccine and get it broadly distributed around the world.

    And yes, some countries definitely will lag behind others will be more vulnerable than others.

    Places like Europe will do well.

    Asia, China, Japan, Korea will do well.

    Places like the United States will not do well are already seeing, you know, massive anti vaccine movements and such.

    And so it will take longer for the United States to recover.

    But it still won’t be the full decade.

    Soon.

    So what should we be thinking about in terms of these careers, things like chief purpose planner or clean hygiene consultant or virtual events planner, subscription management specialist, they are there to tactical and not thinking about the technologies that are available to us now and what’s in development and where that’s going to go.

    So for example, we know things are not going to change, right? People will still need places to live, people will still need food to eat, people will still need, you know, things to do.

    Kids will still need educating.

    these are these are things that are not going to change a whole lot.

    What will change is the tactics that we use To deliver those services, and a lot of it is going to be around artificial intelligence, not because it’s trendy, but because frankly, it’s a cost saver.

    We know that in business in, you know, b2b business, and all business really.

    companies want things to be the same as consumers better, faster and cheaper.

    And machines and automation and AI are the pathway to delivering things that are better, faster and cheaper, because you can have machines do stuff better and faster, and at a substantially lower cost than humans.

    In that sense, there will be a lot of evolution of AI models and how they’re deployed to having people be able to customize them, to tune them to run them to be able to offer a lot more customization to be able to offer a lot more specialization.

    And so it would not be for example, I think out of the realm of possibility to have You know, friendly user interfaces on top of AI models that allow you to accomplish tasks that you’re trying to get machines to do.

    So for example, in brokering a real estate transaction, do we need a real estate agent in the mix? For some parts, maybe some parts, no, some parts, some of the paperwork and some of the very repetitive processes, permits and titles of all this stuff, machines can absolutely do that.

    A big part of that will be cleaning up and getting local government technology.

    You know, sometime into the century, a lot of local governments tend to lag very far behind the commercial sector.

    So there there’s actually a decent cottage industry to be had for government automation.

    And then we look at other things that people are going to be doing driving cars, probably not a whole lot in the next 10 years.

    If you look at the way that autonomous vehicles function, now today, and 2020 they are almost ready for primetime.

    Now, they still need some more testing, they still need some deal with like adversarial attacks on their on their models, but for the most part they’re functional.

    Now, within 10 years, assuming that, again, government regulation permitted, you’ll have many more of those, you will have a thriving career in law, dealing with the ways that machines are changing technology.

    So for example, when we look at systems like Eva and GPT, three, they can reinterpret and create new works out of existing works derivative works that are not necessarily traceable back to the original.

    So how does that impact law? How does that impact copyright? How does that impact creators rights? When a machine a model creates something new who owns that? Do you as the model owner, do you as the service provider does the end user owner these are all questions that law will need to address in order to deal with Be implications.

    There will be large questions about who owns user data.

    There already are.

    But in the next 10 years, we should expect to see at least some answers.

    And as we see with things like GDPR and privacy legislation, it will be a patchwork quilt around the world who gets to own what, but there will be many careers grown on that.

    I think an AI console years of sorts, someone who is so can function in that low code environment, to help businesses and even maybe even wealthy individuals customize their models and their technology will be a cottage industry.

    If you are the sort of company or environment they use things like virtual assistant true virtual assistants, like the little things on your desk here.

    That you just yell at for groceries.

    Those are have very limited customization right now and there is no transfer Apparently as to how the customizations work, having people be able to customize it to your particular use cases, even if it’s just something as simple as, for example, with transcription software, uploading a list of known words that you say that are kind of unique to your use case.

    That’s a level of customization that a lot of smart assistants do not offer currently.

    And that’s something that obviously a lot of people would find a lot of value in.

    Being able to get technology to people is is still a thing.

    Elon Musk’s interlink satellite network is trying to address the fact that in large swaths of remote areas and rural areas around the world, there simply is no internet.

    And having low Earth orbit satellites to allow access while you’re in those areas may not be fast enough for zoom call or play video games, but it would be enough to get you connectivity and continue networking the rest of the planet over the next 10 years.

    That’s going to be a priority.

    And so there will be careers around that.

    And there’ll be careers around all those new consumers and businesses that are suddenly have connectivity.

    There will be places in Asia and Africa, in the United States, North America, South America, every continent on the planet that will suddenly have access to the Internet, and will want to participate.

    And I think there will be a substantial number of careers around the implications of different AI models and how we deal with them everything from detecting bias in datasets, and dealing with AI ethics and how machines make decisions and what the right decisions are.

    There’ll be plenty of consulting to be had around risk mitigation for companies if you publish a model.

    What are the risks of it, have you mitigated against them? Have you been audited to demonstrate that you have protected against those risks? If we To the the avenue that I would like to see companies take wishes that machine’s not humans, but machines are guilty until proven innocent of things like bias or discrimination.

    Then again, there’ll be a very large cottage industry of people who can help make models more interpretable.

    And then to validate that the model is actually doing what we said it would do that is not discriminating against protected classes of any kind.

    So those are just a few samples of the of things you should think about.

    Now, virtual events plan Asscher for the next couple of years, that will be a thing.

    But human nature is such that people like to get together.

    And so I think that career will be a cottage industry is not going to be at zero, but it will not be something that will sustain you all the way through the next decade.

    In the same way that something like risk management around AI certainly could.

    So really good question.

    Lots to think about.

    follow up questions leave in the chat box below.

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