Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Community Management

  • Mind Readings: Communities Need Publications

    Mind Readings: Communities Need Publications

    In this episode, we talk about how communities require some kind of publication to get members on the same page. This is especially important these days when there’s so much noise to distract people in public channels.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about anchoring, specifically, anchoring a community.

    And we’ve talked a lot about communities in the last few months about the importance of communities, particularly private social media communities, so called velvet rope communities, on platforms like Slack or telegram or Discord.

    But one of the things that these communities are particularly bad about, and it’s not the fault of any community manager, it’s simply because these platforms are not designed for it is that there is no opportunity for publication within that community.

    When we think about the important tasks that you have, as a community manager, one of them is getting people on the same page, right, getting people updated, quite literally.

    And that’s one of the reasons why your community, whether it’s your customers, whether it’s your brand, whether it’s just your advocates, and Evangelists need some kind of unifying force to get everyone on the same page, quite literally.

    What is the best force for that? No surprise, it’s a publication of some kind.

    And probably, for most organizations, that publication is going to be an email newsletter.

    If you want your community to move and focus or or stay current, you need a publication.

    Part of the what I’ve observed in the last couple of months, volunteering on the Save Warrior Nun campaign is there’s a lot of activity, there’s a lot of things going on.

    And one of the first things I did in volunteering was set up a newsletter on substack.

    Why? Because there was no publicly visible centralized repository of just what was going on at any given time.

    And by putting together an email newsletter, it helps keep people engaged, it helps keep people current, helps share critical information in a channel that is less noisy.

    So for example, a lot of the campaign, the work is done on social media, and there are literally millions of social media posts to wade through, no one is going to be able to do that.

    And the search algorithms that are out there, within the social networks, they’re not great at highlighting stuff like that, because they have their own priorities.

    And their priorities typically don’t involve helping helping us stay more in touch.

    The power of a good publication, like a newsletter, or a magazine or something, anything allows us to communicate to our communities in an easy, simple, understandable fashion.

    How often should you publish as often as you can, as long as as often as you’ve got something valuable to say to your community, but if you want to use a publication as sort of a glue for community, and as a motivator, you should opt for greater frequency rather than lesser frequency.

    For example, with Trust Insights, we publish a weekly newsletter goes out on Wednesdays.

    And we have a Slack group that goes with it.

    And they’re very symbiotic the slack group pub promotes the newsletter, the newsletter promotes a Slack group.

    And so we get people engaged in the community itself, but then we get them sort of unified, or focused around a specific topic within the newsletter, which of course, again, has that virtuous circle.

    If there’s a major topic being discussed in the newsletter, it can spill over into the slack group and vice versa, they can get stuff started in Slack that becomes part of the newsletter, I, my partner and CEO, Katie robear, does that a ton.

    She will write up a, an idea and post it into Slack and see how people react to it.

    And that goes in the newsletter or vice versa.

    But you need to have that publication platform as sort of your thing that almost is sort of a middle of your funnel tactic.

    Right? So you have your community, which is the bottom of the funnel about the post purchase the post conversion audience, people who’ve opted in and said, Yeah, I want to be part of your group, a part of your community.

    And then you have so at the top of the funnel, all your advertising, marketing, PR all the stuff that you do to draw attention to your community.

    But that middle part, that nurturing part, that helps people stay in touch with you, that’s where your publication, if you do it, right, can really shine.

    So if you are running a community or trying to run a community and you are finding that it is very hard to keep people engaged, make a publication of some kind that distills down and summarizes everything that’s happening in your space in your industry, in your movement, so that people see your publication as a catch up mechanism, a way to catch up on all the news that they’ve made.

    Throughout the week, they will be thankful for it.

    And most important, you will direct additional engagement in the areas where you and your marketing efforts need it most.

    So, go build that publication platform.

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  • Mind Readings: Heartbeats

    Mind Readings: Heartbeats

    When you feel disconnected, it’s time to find a heartbeat. Here’s how.

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    In this episode of Mind readings, let’s talk about heartbeats.

    Recently, I was having a conversation with a friend who was saying that they felt disconnected from their community, they felt like they weren’t alone, that they didn’t have that sense of connection that they used to.

    And they were concerned that maybe their community had forgotten about them.

    Maybe they, maybe their friends were forgetting about them.

    And this is a fear that, obviously has become a lot more prominent in the last couple of years.

    Especially in 2021, a lot of folks were in lockdown and stuff, and you lacked the normal social conventions that you used to have access accessible to, even today, for a lot of us who are used to going to things like conferences and events, there are fewer of them, and there are fewer of them in person.

    And you know, there’s still no shortage of zoom in webinar events.

    But the in person events are fewer, and they’re smaller.

    And so the question is, how do you mitigate that feeling of being disconnected? And this applies to us personally, as people, it also applies to our companies.

    And I know marketing as well.

    The answer is a heartbeat.

    A heartbeat is nothing more than something that occurs regularly and frequently.

    That reminds people that you’re still there, in a good way, in a positive way.

    We do this all the time.

    There’s no shortage of examples of this when you you leave on a trip, or maybe you’re just leave for work you your kiss your significant other goodbye, tell them that you love them.

    Right? When you tuck your kids in at night, maybe there’s a tradition of some kind of that is the tradition where you give them a hug or whatever.

    And it’s just a regular frequent thing.

    Maybe, you know, you, you bring coffee and doughnuts to the office for for your co workers.

    Every now and again, maybe it’s a weekly thing that you do with.

    But all these things are rhythms, their rhythms, like a heartbeat that remind people, you still exist.

    And in a way that is not demanding anything of them.

    Right? You when you bring coffee for your friend, or when you text your significant other good night, or anything like that.

    You’re creating that heartbeat.

    And that a heartbeat is so important because we are creatures of habit.

    We are creatures of routine we like routine, we like stability, we like predictability, as much as some folks may thrive on uncertainty, there’s still rhythms of certainty in their overall uncertain lives, right, they still do things a certain way.

    And if you can introduce that sort of heartbeat into your friendships, your relationships, your professional connections, whatever, it’s easier for people to remember you, it’s easier for people to look forward to hearing from you.

    One of the reasons why in email marketing, I tell people, if you can swing it, do a weekly newsletter instead of a monthly one.

    Because it’s a more consistent Artbeat boom, boom, every week, every Sunday or every Wednesday, wherever you whenever, whatever day of the week it is it gives you a chance to get back in front of people in a way that provides value.

    If you feel like you’re disconnected from your your social community, whether it’s online or in person, say hello to them.

    Say hello to them every day.

    Just open up Twitter or Facebook or slack or discord or Tiktok or whatever.

    Just say hi, every day and see who responds.

    Maybe for a while no one will respond.

    But as time goes on as your audience grows, as people who need to hear that heartbeat, find their way to you.

    You’ll establish those connections.

    You will you will be as important to them as they are to you at that heartbeat is so essential.

    And it’s bidirectional.

    People like to feel recognized.

    People like to feel remembered people like to feel cared about, you know, when you read a story.

    There was a story in the BBC not too long ago about the police finding a woman who had died in her apartment and was laying dead in her car.

    For three years, right? And finally, somebody actually checked in like, Oh, she’s really dead.

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    And you read the comments on stories like that.

    And everybody’s saying, that’s my worst nightmare, that I will just die alone.

    And no one remember me is comment after comment after karma.

    That’s a huge fear that people have that they will be forgotten.

    So if you can be the one to establish that heartbeat, that rhythm, you will be the one to provide that for people and help them feel like they matter.

    Right that you’re connected to them.

    What’s one of the tips I picked up in community management from a number of discord servers that I’m a part of? Question of the day, just get it doing something every single day to get your community engaged, make it a heartbeat that people can look forward to same time of the day.

    You know, when we think back, for those of us who have more gray hair than others, when was Seinfeld on and to remember, what day of the week and what time? A lot of folks said Thursdays at nine on NBC.

    Why do we remember this? 25 years later, a quarter of a century leader? Why do we remember this? Because it was good content? Yes.

    But it was a heartbeat.

    It was consistent.

    We knew exactly where and when it would show up and it was there almost without fail.

    It was a heartbeat.

    It was it was that rhythm.

    Think about your own marketing.

    How much rhythm do you have in it? Think about your personal relationships.

    How much rhythm do you have in them? If you don’t have enough if you end up feeling disconnected, build in that heartbeat.

    Say hi to people, if it’s appropriate to do so in your friendship say goodnight to people, let them know that, you know those people are the last thing you think of before you go to bed and maybe the first people you think of when you wake up that matters.

    So when you feel disconnected, find a heartbeat.

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  • What Does It Take To Destroy a Digital Community?

    What Does It Take To Destroy a Digital Community?

    What does it take to kill a community, especially an online one? I’ve been watching a community I’ve been part of slowly fade away, and one of the most striking things about this community’s decline is how little it took to disrupt it. Out of a crowd of almost a thousand, the thing that began the community’s descent was… a single person.

    What happened? The community – let’s anonymize it to Digital Cockroach Marketing – started out as a tribe of like-minded folks discussing their favorite subjects. For months, the community grew and grew. Sure, every so often you’d get the inevitable spammer who would join, run in and spam their pitch everywhere, and then be unceremoniously booted out, but that’s par for the course on the Internet.

    Digital Cockroach Marketing’s managers, in their best attempts to keep engagement high, would run things like contests, talent showcases, and other fun activities, and for the most part, a decent crowd would participate. Until one day, the community managers decided to start a livestream and made Bob (also anonymized) the host.

    There were two problems with this decision. First, Bob was a close friend of the community managers. Second, Bob was a jerk. In a very short period of time, Bob’s new role went to his head and he started offering scathing commentary about other members’ contributions. Bob made sure to only invite the people who were his fans onto the Digital Cockroach Marketing livestream.

    Other prominent members of Digital Cockroach Marketing complained to the managers that Bob was acting like a jerk with a superiority complex, but because Bob was friends with them, they didn’t or couldn’t see it. And so, within a month, Digital Cockroach Marketing lost almost a dozen of its highest-profile, most active members. It’s no surprise what happened after – other members who weren’t Bob’s fans became less engaged, and Digital Cockroach Marketing began to wither, transforming into basically the Bob fan club.

    What could Digital Cockroach Marketing have done differently? Up until the livestream, most of the decisions about the community were made democratically, with members voting for changes and improvements. I suspect behind the scenes, Bob was the one who lobbied for a livestream to begin with. So, having and enforcing strict policies about how community management worked would probably have slowed the problem.

    What wrote the demise of Digital Cockroach Marketing wasn’t an individual decision so much as a series of failures, a governance problem:

    First, the community managers didn’t have clear policies on things like favoritism. That alone would have at least made the problem visible sooner. To this day, I’m still not sure Digital Cockroach Marketing’s community managers understand what the problem is, even after a raft of complaints.

    Second, Digital Cockroach Marketing didn’t have clear policies on member behavior enforcement. What behaviors are acceptable and unacceptable – and how rigorously are the rules enforced? When a complaint is filed by one member against another, how is the complaint evaluated?

    Third, the favoritism problem is one that occurs in many communities. It’s part of who we are as human beings, so we need checks and balances to counteract our natural biases. Digital Cockroach Marketing needed a member-led council specifically dedicated to community rule enforcement, separate from the community managers. That kind of oversight, particularly for larger communities, is essential.

    Finally, Digital Cockroach Marketing’s community managers had no analytics or data informing them, else they would have seen a fairly obvious decline in activity over less than a month’s time. That data should have alarmed them, made them ask what was happening that activity, especially among long-time, valued members was down.

    Had Digital Cockroach Marketing had any of the above precautions in place, the community managers might have been able to interrupt a significant problem, one that led to the decline of their community and its value to its members and stakeholders.

    I’ll leave you with one last thought, especially for digital community managers. Communities, especially online ones, are very fragile constructs. It doesn’t take much to destroy a digital community, just like it doesn’t take much poison to kill you. You don’t need to drink a gallon of cyanide to hurt yourself – a tiny bit will do. And a digital community doesn’t need more than one unchecked bad actor to poison the entire community.

    The reasons users tend to join a community – education and connection to others – are found all over the Internet, so if your community suddenly stops providing them, or creates a less hospitable environment, the switching cost to leave your community is low. If you want to keep a community vibrant and alive, you must create and rigorously enforce community standards absent of any kind of bias or favoritism. That’s hard to do – we are all human, and we all have biases towards people we like. But without it, our communities will just be shallow reflections of ourselves at best, and wither away at worst – taking any value the community provided with it.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Top Lessons for New Social Media Managers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Top Lessons for New Social Media Managers?

    Mike asks, “What is one thing every new Social Media Manager should know?”

    There’s a very long list here, but everything starts with your playbook. What is acceptable? What is not? What are the brand guidelines? How do you handle the many different situations you’ll face?

    Refer to this list for effective community management on the Trust Insights website.

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    In today’s episode Mike asks, What is one thing every new social media managers know? Oh, that’s a long list.

    Everything for a Social Media Manager knew or not needs to start with your playbook, your guidelines, your handbook, your policy manual, whatever you want to call the thing.

    It has to detail what is acceptable and what is not.

    The biggest danger any social media manager knew or not, will run into is running into unanticipated situations and not having guidelines that give them a sense of what they should or should not do.

    Hey, this certain type of complaint comes in how do you handle it? This other brand calls you out, how do you handle that? So having that playbook really details what it is that you’re going You’re not going to do what are the brand guidelines, what is the brand voice and personality, all these things again, if you don’t know this upfront, you risk putting yourself into situations that will cause damage to your your company.

    Over at the Trust Insights website, we have a list of we call the nine c community management framework.

    These are nine different areas that you as a brand manager, marketer, Social Media Manager, need to think about, and have written out guidelines in advance for how you’re going to handle these different things.

    So let’s go through these really quick and then dive in a bit.

    content, conversation, common interest, caring, connection, control, concourse cue and calibration.

    As a new social media manager, you should have details for each one of these things content.

    What are you going to provide your your community, your audience on a regular and frequent basis so that people get value from it? What are you posting? How often are you posting Is it good With a sharing conversation, how often are you going to try and stimulate conversations with your audience asking them questions? What questions shouldn’t? Should you not ask? Are there rat holes or landmines that you could step on that would bring up the ability for people to complain? We have seen no shortage of bad moves by brands asking like, Hey, what do you think of us? And then suddenly, every customer is having a bad experience on fire? So don’t do that.

    Again, have those guidelines, common interest, what is your social media focused around and more than just your company, right? If it’s your industry, what are the topics in your industry that you care about that you can respond favorably on if you’re really bad at for example, mixing a certain type of concrete, make sure that’s not the common interest thread carrying How you going to handle members of your audience or community who are in distress when you are doing your monitoring for your brand.

    If you have you’re following somebody and they say something that indicates, for example, that they may be entertaining thoughts of self harm, how are you going to handle that? What are your guidelines? connection? How do you connect members of your audience to each other? If you’re again, if you’re doing a great job with monitoring your social media community, and you see people asking for help, how do you connect them to resources that are non competitive, that provide them real value? Are you doing that? Should you do that? Do you have a policy for that? control? How do you deal with bad actors within your social media community? Everything from blocking people reporting people? What are your guidelines? What are your guidelines, if one of those people happens to be an executive at your company? We’ve certainly seen no shortage of people in the last few years who on their personal social media accounts, say and do things that might be antithetical to the values that your company supposedly has.

    How do you handle that? What’s the policy? What’s the procedure? Again, these are all things that you need to have written out in advance, so that when it happens, nobody is surprised about the actions you take.

    And especially if you’re a more junior manager, you are not held accountable for things because you have gotten sign off in writing about how you’re going to handle these situations and events.

    concourse, where are you going to be active on social media? What channels for social media depending on your company, you may be in 10 or 11 or 15 to 20 different places does the software that you’re using interact with those places? How much time you need to invest in each one of them? cueing? How often do you prompt people to do business with you in some fashion Do you like every other post Hey, check out our blog check out our newsletter check out our whatever is gonna be fifth post every 10 posts.

    What’s your policy again, What tends to happen as fortunes change is that sales and marketing teams start to get really antsy about lead generation and new deals as they should.

    That’s their job.

    But then that tends to roll downhill on the social media manager and they’re like, sales keeps asking me to make every post a pitch for them.

    Right? How you gonna handle that? They have that written out.

    calibration.

    How do you measure your audience to determine what’s happening? When you’re doing social media management? What are you measuring on? What are the metrics that you have signed up to be accountable for? You need to have this as well.

    And the last one, it’s not a list.

    I think we’re going to add it to the list make it 10 C’s for fun is crisis management.

    What do you do when everything goes sideways? This is more than just something that happens to your company.

    We are living in a pandemic which has not happened like this.

    A little more than 100 years.

    How do we handle it? How do we react to it? What is the policy? In the first couple of weeks, people were saying nobody should be posting on social media only? Is that true? Maybe Maybe not.

    depends on your company, your brand, your guidelines.

    This list of now the 10 C’s is the starting point for what should be in your handbook in your playbook.

    What are all the different things that you’re going to do to reinforce and write down for each of these areas that will help you as a social media manager knew or not to know what to do when situations occur.

    One of my favorite stories from bartender Thurston, who used to work at the onion was that when the onion was getting ready for an event, like a Super Bowl, for example, they would have a spreadsheet of every realistic imaginable possibility.

    power goes out, somebody gets hurt.

    Fans riot, whatever, and have their comedy tweets written out in advance hundreds of them in advance, so that when something happened, they didn’t have to wait for approvals.

    They didn’t have to wait for anything, they would have said stuff ready to go.

    And they could be seen as highly reactive, when in fact, they had planned Far, far ahead for every reasonable possibility.

    That’s the kind of thing that you want in your playbook? What are all the realistic situations that could happen? How are we going to handle them, so that when they do happen, just open up the book, and like an airline pilot, quick reference Handbook, find the situation, do follow these steps, and you’re at least going to do what your company has approved, so you’re not going to get yourself in trouble.

    And ideally, you’re not going to get your company in trouble.

    So really good question, Mike.

    long question.

    There’s a lot to unpack here and it’s gonna take you weeks, if not months to properly do all the documentation for this.

    So you’re prepared in advance.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Building Communities on Slack?

    You Ask, I Answer: Building Communities on Slack?

    Belle asks, “I’ve always picked up from you guys something along the lines of ‘don’t build on other peoples land’ and ‘work on building your email lists’ which all make sense if other platforms disappeared you still have your contacts and I’ve lived by it. But now you seem to be promoting building on Slack, am I missing something here? What if the community you build on Slack you can no longer access? Or are you exporting emails?”

    You’re right that Slack isn’t an owned property, but the registration process through email certainly is, and that’s how we’d restart a community in case things changed. That’s not something you get from other social networks. We have looked at alternatives on servers you host, such as Mattermost.

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    In today’s episode Bell asks, I’ve always picked up from you guys that something along the lines of don’t build on other people’s land and work on building your email list which all makes sense of other platforms disappeared.

    You still have your contacts and I’ve lived by it.

    But now you seem to be promoting building on slack.

    Am I missing something here one of the community you built on Slack, you can no longer access? Are you exploiting emails? Bell you’re exactly right.

    on both counts.

    slack is not an own property.

    It is a SaaS based platform and unless they could theoretically vanish at any time, but what we’ve done for the analytics for marketers community which by the way, if you’re not a member of go to Trust insights.ai slash analytics for markers, is used a piece of software called Community inviter community divider captures the email address and make sure that you’re invited to the community, but it also of course, gives the community owner a list of the people who have registered To join the community, that in turn gives us the ability to reach out to that list if we need to, for any reason, but especially if we would have to migrate services.

    And that’s really one of the major benefits of using a system like that.

    You can always reach out and ping somebody.

    And unlike a standard email form, the good news is that all the emails work, because that’s how you get into the community.

    So if somebody wants to join the community, that would be how to do that.

    You don’t get that from any other social network at all.

    You used to up until November of 2018, you used to be able to get out of LinkedIn.

    But that has since largely been deprecated, by LinkedIn making, sharing your email address with your contacts, not the default, you actually can still go in and set that but that is typically done mostly by sales professionals who want other people contacting them which was totally fine.

    So this particular A system of using community inviter for slack does give us access to the emails that people used to register for the community.

    We have looked at other collaboration software that would be run on servers that we run that we own.

    The principle one there would be a piece of software called matter most, which a lot of companies that are in highly regulated industries use.

    Because you run it on your own servers, it can be run inside your firewall if you need to.

    It is more cumbersome.

    And the reason we didn’t go that route for the Trust Insights community is not because we wanted to run our own servers or not, but because it is an uncommon platform.

    When somebody has the slack client on their desktop and on their phone, browser and such.

    It is easier for them to just add themselves to a new slack community than it is For them to install, yet another app that they may or may not check.

    Again, we did give it some thought because if somebody installs an app just for you, that’s not a bad thing.

    But there is more overhead and less likelihood of them participating than if it’s an app that they have to have open for work all the time, right? If you’re at a company that uses slack internally for collaboration you have it on.

    And therefore, if the communities you’re also a part of dropping messages and things, then you will be more likely to participate because it’s, it’s no extra overhead.

    You don’t have to open up an app, you don’t have to open up a new tab in your browser.

    It’s there already.

    And that was the primary consideration for why we stuck with slack.

    Now, if that changes, then we activate the backup plan.

    But until that changes, I don’t see a need to make that pivot yet but I think your point is a fantastic one, which is, have a backup plan, right? Be where and when possible build on land that you own your website, your email lists, your text messaging, list all that stuff, and have a plan B so that if things do go sideways, if slack loses all its funding, it will, or it decides that we’re going to charge everybody now you have the ability to pivot and go do something else.

    So I would say, keep your eyes on the collaboration space.

    I think 2020 as the year will be an exciting year for collaboration for what is possible.

    The other thing that we really like about Slack, which is tough to replicate with a lot of other standalone platforms is that it has a tremendous number of third party add ons.

    The ability to do all sorts of fancy polls to do integrations with Google Drive and Dropbox.

    The other packages are not there yet.

    They will get there they should get there.

    They won’t have any hope of competing with slack.

    But for right now, because it’s the market leader, there are a ton of integrations for it that make it the best default choice, at least for reaching a certain type of audience, which is another consideration.

    There are plenty of marketers who are not on slack.

    And that’s where other social media channels where your email newsletter in particular is very useful as you have some avenue of communication with folks who aren’t on slack.

    But what we found is when we look at our customer base, we look at the companies they work at and the technologies they use.

    A significant majority of them are also the type of company that uses slack.

    So when it comes to how you want to configure community collaboration and what service to go on, unfortunately, a big part of it has to be where people are.

    So for some companies as much as I I would strongly discourage it.

    They might have to build on like a Facebook groups, if that’s 100% of where your audiences and your audience is unwilling to go anywhere else.

    At the end of the day, you have to go where your audience is.

    We chose not to do that because the group’s compete with a newsfeed.

    And so the engagement was incredibly low, incredibly low.

    When we ran a Facebook group, it was, you know, two or three people seeing a post out of at the time 100, much less responding to it.

    So when 98% of your community can’t even see what you’re posting is definitely an issue.

    So good question.

    The mindset is great.

    build on what you own control as much as you can, so that if the ground changes if the rug gets yanked out from under you, you’re not left high and dry with something that you no longer have control of.

    There is a nonzero possibility that slack will do that.

    We don’t see any signs of it yet.

    Doesn’t mean it can’t change.

    They got acquired tomorrow or they got bought out.

    Who knows but having the list and having Plan B ready to go, definitely helps with that.

    So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Community Manager Metrics and KPIs?

    You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Community Manager Metrics and KPIs?

    Jessica asks, “What are good objectives for your community management team (outside of response time)?”

    Community management’s goal is loyalty and evangelism – trust and word of mouth. To the extent you can, measure those outcomes. A great community should bring new organic growth, and should have strong retention rates. Depending on the software you use, you may be able to measure things like churn. Ultimately, your community management efforts should be reflected in your marketing analytics.

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    In today’s episode, Jessica asks, I have some community managers on my team and I want to set some KPIs for them in 2020.

    What are good objectives for your community management team outside of response time? So response time, response time sounds like it’s a customer service measure more than is community management.

    And we thought think about community manager.

    Lori talking just customer service, which is a form of community management, are we talking about also nurturing and growing an actual community something like any slack group or discord group or a Facebook group if you had to? If that’s the case, then you have a very different type of community management set of measures than you do for just playing customer service.

    Playing Customer service is pretty straightforward.

    You have response time, you have net positive outcome, net negative outcome, you probably have a serving tool of some kind.

    So you’re looking at NPS scores? What is the likelihood that you would make another purchase from this organization, the next 90 days scale of one to five? What is the likelihood to recommend this company to your friends, colleagues, whatever scale of one to five, those are pretty straightforward measures.

    And for customer service that make a lot of sense for community management.

    Think about what the goal of community management is.

    The goal is loyalty and evangelism, right? You want people to trust you.

    You want people to stick around, and you want people to tell other people about your company, your products, your services, and the community itself.

    So the nice thing is with a lot of digital communities, particularly things like Slack, discord, even Yeah, Facebook groups if you have some of those LinkedIn groups, all of these services do have things you can measure, right? So look at a few things.

    For community management number one is activity in the community itself how much activity is there, community managers have an important job of getting a community started, and then keeping that community going, adding adding fuel to the fire as a word keeping the fires lit.

    It’s is a lot of work very difficult.

    And like any fire, like if you leave your camp fire out overnight, and you don’t put new wood on it, it will eventually go out.

    The same is true of a community.

    So you want to look at those activity numbers, you want to look at retention rates, how many people join or leave your community.

    Depending on the software you’re using, you may be able to actually track individual joins and quits and you want to measure that that’s churn.

    How fast is your community growing? How fast is our people leaving? You see this a lot in the email marketing world for example, you can see what you’re on subscribes are.

    Measuring churn will be improved.

    Communities organic growth, meaning growth without paying money for people referring people to your community.

    So, for example, with Slack, there’s a tool that we use at Trust Insights called Community inviter.

    And it allows you to set up a landing page where people can invite themselves into the slack community, which is nice.

    But you can also have people invite friends and colleagues, right within the interface.

    And so you can measure those and see, are people just coming into the front door? Or are people saying, Hey, you know, co workers, come join this community is super useful to me.

    So those would be examples of things that you would want to measure.

    Ultimately, though, your community management efforts should show up in your marketing analytics.

    So again, for something like Slack, when I post links to the our analytics for marketers slack community, I make sure I UTM tag them using Google Analytics tracking codes.

    And then I can see in my web analytics How many people went from the slack community to the resource I was pointing at? And then did they go through and convert? Did they convert to they buy something? Did they become a client, for example, there’s a couple of folks in our slack group that have become paying clients and the ROI in the beginning of the community was nothing.

    And now the ROI is astronomical because those efforts paid off over time.

    But it’s a lot like farming.

    And that’s something to be aware of in your KPIs.

    Until the day you harvest your crops, your return on your effort is effectively zero.

    Right? It takes a really long time for an ear of corn to grow.

    What 7590 days, so for the that first period of time, people are missing the same, like, Where’s the ROI on this one? It’s gonna be a while The more complex the more expensive the higher risk your product or services, the longer your sales cycle.

    Now, you may have, for example, if you sell chewing gum, you will have a relatively low risk product, right.

    And so your overall sales cycle is probably fairly short and being able to demonstrate some level of ROI will not take five years, right.

    But set the expectation with community management that the ROI is long, it’s longer than other marketing methods typically, but it is in the long run higher, so helps set those expectations as well.

    So that’s that’s a whole bunch of different metrics.

    What I would do is I would map out a community journey map of the stages somebody can take to as they become a community member from awareness to join the community to becoming an active participant, to becoming an evangelist of the community, and then measure along those stages.

    How many Many people in your community are in each of those places.

    And use that as a way of benchmarking not only the success of community management efforts, but also where are things most broken, you have natural looking people to join in community, but it’s tough getting them to participate actively.

    In that case, you know that perhaps you need a different voice in the community.

    Maybe as long as you’re not a one person show.

    Maybe you need to have some ambassadors or something like that to change the tone and tenor of the conversation.

    So lots to think about map those things out and, and give it a shot.

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