Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Conferences

  • Best Practices for Public Speaking Pages

    Best Practices for Public Speaking Pages

    The topic of public speaking pages and speaking kits has come up repeatedly in recent times. What makes for a great public speaking page? What are the general best practices for a public speaking page?

    The Goal of a Public Speaking Page

    What is the business goal of your public speaking page? Though it may at first seem to be an amalgam of various facts about you, we must be clear about its purpose:

    Your speaking page should generate booking inquiries for you.

    That’s the business goal behind it, the value and purpose of the page. It’s not a temple to how awesome you are. It’s not a brochure. It’s a marketing platform with a singular focus: more bookings.

    In turn, generating booking inquiries means that your speaking page is a B2B marketing landing page, and should obey basic B2B marketing best practices.

    Your Audience

    One of the most important considerations when creating a public speaking page is to know who the audience is. Our goal as speakers is to always serve our audience, to speak with them, not at them, and to focus relentlessly on them.

    When it comes to our speaking page, the audience is not the people coming to see you speak. Your speaking page is not for the general public.

    Your audience is the event planner, the person or committee who would hire you to speak. Design your entire page around them, serving their needs, answering their questions, providing reassurance for their worries. Start by asking out loud what questions an event planner will have about you.

    • What kind of speaker are you? Instructional? Motivational?
    • How experienced are you? Will you embarrass them or their conference if they hire you?
    • What do you speak about?
    • What sets you apart from other speakers?
    • How much do you cost?
    • Can I see an example of this person speaking?
    • Are you available on certain dates?

    This is sales 101: anticipating and answering questions that your customers will have, to make the process of hiring you as frictionless as possible.

    Heuristics

    Recall that the primary function of a speaker is to help an event grow its audience with great content or a great personal brand. The better the speaker is, the more audience they draw, and the more they help the event grow. Thus, our speaking pages must convey to event planners and organizers that we will, either through content or our own audiences, help put butts in seats.

    To make this judgement, event planners will use heuristics, or shortcuts in judgement. They’ll be looking for four credible displays of your ability to help their event:

    • Videos
    • Testimonials
    • Topics
    • Badges

    Video, Video, Video

    Every speaking page should have examples of you speaking. Video is living proof of your skill as a speaker, and watching just a few seconds of a speaker speaking immediately removes doubt in an event planner’s mind about whether or not you’re capable. Ideally, you’ll have one short reel of highlights (3-5 minutes), at least one full-length reel to demonstrate your ability to deliver a long-form talk (45-60 minutes), and a medium length virtual talk of some kind. You’ll want to have all three kinds; the short video is a good resource for an event planner to share with stakeholders, while the medium and long forms help the event planner see how experienced you are handling different formats, both virtual and live. With so many events temporarily virtual or hybrid, event planners need to see you just as comfortable on a Zoom call as you are on a stage in front of 10,000.

    If you have a catalog speaking, publish a YouTube playlist of your talks so people can see you in a wide variety of contexts.

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    When recording videos, be sure to record the 5 minutes before and after your talk, so you can apply noise reduction if it’s a loud room, as well as capture applause and audiences interacting with you.

    Testimonials

    Testimonials help prove your credibility and effectiveness as a speaker. They’re third-party endorsements. We want to show testimonials from two perspectives – the audience and the event organizer.

    For audience testimonials, one of my favorite methods for storing testimonials evolved from an idea DJ Waldow shared with me years ago. Use the Likes feature on Twitter to save accolades about you, then use either a curated list or a new Custom Moment to share them on your page.

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    For event organizers, I’ve gathered the extra testimonial or two over the years by listing prominent speaking gigs on my LinkedIn profile and then asking event organizers to write a recommendation. As with Twitter, I then showcase these on my site as well as on my LinkedIn profile.

    Topics and Themes

    Topics and themes speak to the organizer’s need to provide content for their event. Provide a selection of talks which map to both your expertise as well as what conference organizers want. Make sure they’re program-ready, meaning that an event planner could copy and paste from your page right to their event software:

    • 5 Ways AI Has Changed Marketing: Learn what the different types of artificial intelligence are, 4 ways AI is in use today, how to prepare your company for AI in marketing, and how to prepare your career for a future with AI.
    • Building the Data-Driven Customer Journey: Learn why customer journeys are broken, what a data-driven digital customer journey is, and how to use marketing data you already have to understand how your audience purchases from you, then prioritize and build a digital marketing plan driven by analytics and insights, not guesswork.
    • Predictive Analytics for Marketers: Learn why machine learning is powering the new marketing calendar, what predictive analytics can and can’t do, and how to start using predictive analytics with the data you already have.
    • Data Zero to Marketing Hero: What does marketing success look like? Do you know what your key performance indicators truly are? In this keynote, you’ll learn a seven-part measurement strategy and framework that will help you ask the right questions of your marketing team and agencies. You’ll learn what’s important, what’s not, and how to measure your marketing with an eye on bottom-line impact—with tools you probably already have.

    Do your homework: determine based on conference agendas what the most popular or needed topics are in your industry by scanning the websites of conferences you’d like to speak at, then crafting talks and topics to fit those events.

    Remember: make it easy! What’s on your site should be something a planner can copy and paste with no effort.

    Badges

    The final part of heuristics are badges, graphical indicators that conference organizers can use to promote you to their potential attendees. Do you have a special industry certification? Display it or reference it. Have you spoken to organizations whose names and logos are well-known in your industry? Display those with links back to individual testimonials.

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    Biographies and Headshot

    In addition to the heuristics above, be sure your public speaking page contains biographies and headshots. Organizers are often asked to put speaker biographies in a variety of media, from print publications to websites. Offer multiple versions of your biography in differing lengths. I recommend:

    • 140 characters (Tweet length)
    • 2-3 paragraphs (conference program length)
    • 4-5 paragraphs (conference website length)
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    Finally, conferences need photos of you speaking. You’ll need at the very least a professional headshot photo of yourself in a variety of sizes, from print-ready 300 DPI to web-ready. The focus is to make life as easy as possible for conference organizers who choose to engage you as a speaker. Give them one-stop shopping for their needs.

    Contact Form

    Your speaking page is a B2B lead generation page with the design intent to generate booking inquiries. Make this as easy as possible by having a contact form right on the page (don’t send people to another page), placed in a conspicuous location.

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    On my speaking page, I place the form just after the sample video; all the supplementary information falls below the contact form.

    I also strongly recommend the use of marketing automation and CRM software on your speaking page, but that’s a topic for another time.

    What About Speaking Fees?

    I generally don’t place speaking fees on my speaking page any more. Why? Every speaking engagement is different. Every organization has different budgets, and as a speaker, I exercise discretion over what I choose to speak at. I may choose to speak for little or no fee if it’s a cause I’m passionate about. Conversely, I may charge a large fee for an organization which has the budget and need for my services, or is an event company which charges a premium for its attendees. Premium audiences command premium speaking fees.

    As a speaker, choose the fee which reflects the value you bring to the event; thus, don’t place a blanket speaking fee on your website unless you’ve decided there’s a minimum below which you will not accept a booking, or you charge the same fixed rate for every inquiry.

    That said, do make it clear, if it’s the case with where you are in your speaking career, that fees are or are not required, and a general range if appropriate.

    Design

    I do not profess to understand great design beyond the basic “I’ll know it when I see it”. However, I do recommend to speakers that they use website A/B testing software like Google Optimize to test different layouts. We often don’t know what our audiences want; tools like Optimize let us test various assumptions to find out in a data-driven way.

    Analytics

    One of the greatest failings of many speakers’ speaking pages is that they’re not effectively measuring their pages. Make sure your speaking page, at a minimum, has a completed form set as a goal in Google Analytics. More advanced speakers will use things like retargeting pixels to advertise to event planners over time if they don’t complete the form. The most advanced speakers will have a dashboard showing their speaking page’s performance over time, which can help them and their agents manage and measure their reputation.

    Speaking Dashboard Example

    At the very least, make sure you’re measuring and tracking the levels of interest in your speaking page!

    Make Your Speaking Page Sell

    Every speaking page should generate booking inquiries. Every page must thus speak to the audience – event planners – about their needs, answer their questions, and provide reassurance that they are making a sound, safe choice in hiring you as a speaker. Use heuristics such as logos and badges, videos, and testimonials to provide reassurance and safety, combined with best in class marketing automation to maximize your booking opportunities and speaking fees.

    Disclosure: this post has been updated through the years. The most recent edits included virtual options to reflect the world as it is now.

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  • How To Start Your Public Speaking Career

    How to Start Your Public Speaking Career

    David recently asked,

    “Would you be able to share some advice on how I can get started speaking about digital marketing strategy?”

    This is a great question with a clear, defined process.

    Preparing to Speak Publicly

    First, we must have something worth speaking about. A great speaking career begins with a clear, powerful presentation about a topic we have expertise and a unique point of view on. No one wants to hear yet another talk about the best time to tweet. What’s different about our perspective?

    Measure your talk by the 3L test. If it doesn’t pass with flying colors, hire a public speaking coach to help you tune your presentation. I recommend Tamsen Webster’s Red Thread workshops for this.

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    Build a Speaking Video

    Once you’ve built an excellent presentation, demonstrate your speaking abilities with video. This can be as simple as recording your talk with a smartphone (with a high quality camera) in a conference room or stage at a local community college. With the pandemic changing the speaking industry, it’d even be acceptable to shoot something against a neutral background in your residence, as long as it looks nice. Show that you can speak clearly, lucidly, and powerfully about your topic.

    The video capture is vital: you need video evidence of your nascent speaking skills.

    Post the video on YouTube. Here’s an example of what it might look like:

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    Practice Like Crazy

    Like all forms of created media, your first talks will be awful. You’ll look back later in life and cringe at how nervous you were. Practice extensively! Practice so much that by the time you hit the stage for the first time as a professional public speaker, you’ve spoken to empty rooms and stuffed animals at least a hundred times.

    First Talks

    Time to take your show on the road. Look for events asking for speakers. Search Google for your industry and the term “call for speakers” or “call for papers” to find events looking for a speaker. In an era when working from home and speaking via Zoom are the standard, the gates are down for new speakers to enter the space.

    Respond to these events; in the beginning of your speaking career, you will speak for free – even at your expense – to start building your reputation. Again, in an era of remote speaking, the costs to you will be minimal (compared to paying for travel etc.), so say yes to pretty much anything in the beginning.

    Have handouts and supporting materials ready so that your talks, even if they’re with the local Rotary club on a Zoom call of 10 people, are perceived as professional and experienced.

    Obvious Tips

    • Always show up. No commitment is optional once you’ve made it, no matter how big or small.
    • Always be early. Something inevitably goes wrong during sound check/technology check.
    • if you must cancel, cancel after finding a replacement.
    • Always promote your talk on your social media channels. Show organizers you’re working to benefit their event.
    • Always thank the conference organizers from the stage.
    • Always thank the conference organizers after the event, both privately and publicly.

    Be sure to ask for video of your talk; if the event doesn’t capture video, ask permission to record your own talk, and do so. With things like Zoom calls, recording can be built in, so it should be trivial to capture the video.

    Collect Testimonials

    As you perform, ask your audience to submit questions and followups by Twitter. Collect testimonials via social media.

    Post them to your LinkedIn profile for each talk you give:

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    Speaking Page

    You’ve spoken a few times. You’ve earned great reviews. You’ve collected testimonials, videos, and other third party evidence of your skills. I encourage you to set up a special page on your personal professional website exclusively for speaking content, such as topics, testimonials, videos, etc.

    Write a clear, powerful biography and take a decent headshot photo of yourself. Again, it doesn’t have to be something you paid thousands of dollars for in the beginning – just good enough to look professional.

    These materials make conference organizers’ lives easier; the more you can give up front, the more confidence you’ll instill that you’re a polished, experienced speaker.

    Asking for Compensation

    At this point, you should start asking for travel and expense reimbursement – your first step towards a paying speaking career.

    Establish a business bank account, get your taxes in order, and if your speaking career trajectory looks strong, consider establishing a corporation of some kind to provide additional legal protection. As an individual, you can be sued; if you aren’t established as a legal corporation, an expensive lawsuit can cost you personal assets like your home.

    Once you start earning money, consult an attorney to develop a speaking contract for additional legal protection.

    Conclusion

    If you truly enjoy speaking and performing in the public eye, following these steps will speed your journey. Good luck!

    This post has been revised and updated over the years. It was most recently updated to reflect speaking in the pandemic world.

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  • How to Set Your Public Speaking Fee

    How to Set Your Public Speaking Fee

    One of the questions I’m asked most is what my speaking fee is for any given event. I don’t often have a “stock” answer. Why?

    This is a more complex question than we might initially think. What’s really being asked of us are two separate questions:

    • How much value do we bring to the event? (from the conference point of view)
    • How much is that value worth to us? (from our point of view)

    To answer these questions, we must first understand speaker value.

    The Value of a Speaker

    In the world of conferences and events, there’s a “holy trinity” of value factors that make an event valuable: audience, sponsors, speakers; I learned this first from Jeff Pulver and Chris Brogan.

    • Audience: the right audience is valuable to sponsors and the event. The audience must include at least some target customers who might buy products and services from sponsors, as well as afford the event’s ticket prices. A great roster of speakers can attract a valuable audience through speakers’ individual networks and promotional efforts, as well as their knowledge.
    • Sponsors: the right sponsors bring in the money needed to run an event. Without sponsors, an event can’t grow or even afford to pay its speakers. A great roster of speakers provides prestige to the event and reassurance to sponsors that the event is credible.
    • Speakers: the right speakers bring value to each other. A great roster of speakers provides a community for the speakers to network and learn from each other.

    The role of speakers is to provide credibility, networking opportunities, and reach. That’s the value that I and many others provide. Our speaking fees scale with the value we provide: the more credibility, networking, and reach we bring, the greater a fee we can command.

    How to Value Your Speaking Role

    The next logical question is, what’s the monetary number on the value a speaker provides?

    I recently attended an event with these ticket prices:

    • 150 attendees at 3,000 each:450,000
    • 5 top-tier sponsors at 25,000 each:125,000
    • 10 middle-tier sponsors at 12,500 each:125,000
    • 15 low-tier advertisers at 10,000 each:150,000

    The event grossed 850,000. The hotel hosting the event cost approximately150,000 for space, catering, labor, etc.; this particular hotel chain’s event costs average $1,000 per attendee.

    If we re-examine the holy trinity, attendees don’t generally show up at a conference to hang out with sponsors. Attendees come to hear speakers. Thus, the portion of the proceeds above – 450,000 out of the850,000 gross – is what the speakers are principally responsible for.

    Let’s say this event had 20 speakers in total. Deduct the cost of hosting the attendee – 1,000 per person for this hotel chain – and speakers would generate a net revenue for the event of300,000.

    Each individual speaker is responsible for generating 300,000 / 20, or15,000 in attendee revenue.

    That’s the cap, the ceiling of what you can reasonably ask for as a speaker in this example, because the profit from sponsorships/ad sales is directly dependent on the event’s sales team and not you, and they are solely entitled to that profit for their work. Event attendees cost money, and without those expenses there would be no event for us to speak at. Thus it’s reasonable to ask for a percentage of the net revenue for attendees as a fee.

    Obviously, there are many mitigating factors in this equation. The more speakers there are, the less any one speaker’s contribution to the overall attendee population. The same event with 40 speakers would mean each speaker would only generate a maximum of $11,250 in attendee revenue. All speakers are not created equal, too; some speakers command a higher fee because they bring in more attendees than others.

    With the onset of the pandemic, event budgets have dropped precipitously; many events have moved to free models just to hold onto their audiences. As a result, if an event isn’t collecting money, chances are they won’t be paying speakers, either. Read on to decide whether an event is worth doing for free or not.

    How to Value The Event

    Many event planners, as noted in comments on previous editions to this post, make the very valid point that the event provides value to the speaker as well. While “exposure” is an overused and often misunderstood term, there is value to being on stage and in the public eye that we should discount.

    For example, suppose we’re speaking to a crowd that’s valuable to us. Say we’re a famous coffee shop owner speaking at the Annual Coffee Lover’s Convention. (all fictional) This conference has exactly the audience we value as customers. If we, being savvy coffee shop owners, know our business cost of customer acquisition, and we know the response rate of an audience, we could discount our speaking fee by the likelihood of new customer acquisition from the event.

    Using the previous speaking fee cap of 15,000, if 150 people are in attendance at the audience and we know from past appearances at events that we could harvest 10% of the audience as customers, and our cost of acquisition outside of speaking is50 per customer, then we could reasonably discount our speaking fee:

    • 15 customers x 50 =750 saved in customer acquisition costs
    • $15,000 – $750 = $14,250 discounted fee

    If we want to kick it up a notch and we’ve done the hard work of calculating customer lifetime value, then we might have math that looks like this:

    • Customer cost of acquisition: $50
    • Customer lifetime value: $250
    • Net customer value: $200
    • 15 customers harvested per event x 200 net customer value =3,000
    • $15,000 – $3,000 = $12,000 discounted fee

    This approach relies heavily on analytics and insights. We must know our effectiveness as a speaker in acquiring customers from events, measured with tools like web analytics, marketing automation, etc. We must know our cost of acquisition outside of speaking. We ideally would know the lifetime value of our customers. If we’re speakers as a profession, we should be measuring on the number of new speaking opportunities (and their revenue value) from previous events.

    It is entirely possible that an event’s audience is so valuable to us from an acquisition perspective that our speaking fee should be expenses only; for virtual events, this may mean speaking entirely for free.

    How do we value an event we’ve never spoken at before? If we understand the audience, who is at the event, we could reasonably infer our performance from previous events to similar audiences. For example, I’ve seen many of the same faces at B2B marketing events; I’ve seen many at social media marketing events. I could baseline my likely outcome from a new event based on previous similar audiences.

    How to Increase Your Speaking Fee

    Re-examine what speakers do for events. We provide value through our knowledge – the reason audiences attend. We also provide value through our reach, how many members of our audience we can convince to attend the events we speak at.

    To increase our speaking fees, we must pull one of those two levers – knowledge or reach. We improve the value of our knowledge through continued self-improvement; however, from an event perspective, we improve the value of our knowledge through accessibility. A speaker who stays at an event for more than just their speaking slot is more valuable to the event. Consider offering knowledge packages as part of your speaking fee, such as:

    • Breakfast/lunch/dinner with you (at virtual events, these would be private roundtables)
    • “Office hours” / 1:1 short consultations
    • Separate Q&A periods
    • Book signings/author chats/AMAs (if you have a book)

    Any of these activities helps to justify a higher fee because our knowledge is available to the conference’s attendees for a longer period of time.

    We improve the value of our reach through the growth of our own personal brands. I don’t create a weekly email newsletter or daily social media and blog posts purely for the fun of it (though it is fun). I operate these channels as part of my personal brand to increase my reach and engagement, which I can then offer to conferences for additional speaking fees/fee upgrades. For example:

    • Speaking fee + on-site advertising
    • Speaking fee + promotional video
    • Speaking fee + newsletter inclusion
    • Speaking fee + social media postings

    Any of these activities helps to justify a higher fee because the conference is leveraging the power of my reach to audiences they may not necessarily have access to.

    There’s a third hack many speakers overlook: speakers don’t necessarily have to be paid by the event. Depending on your reach and network, a company can sponsor you directly to speak at an event. If you do speak on behalf of a direct sponsor, remember to disclose your affiliation per FTC guidelines, and know that some events may discourage direct sponsorships. (generally speaking, if an event is paying you, a third party shouldn’t be, because it’s potentially cannibalizing from their paying sponsors)

    Your Speaking Fee is Your Choice

    Your speaking fee is at your discretion. Offer fees commensurate with the value you provide to an event, and understand the economics of events to understand how much the event is likely not to offer.

    • Say yes to events which offer an equitable exchange of value.
    • Say yes to events which don’t pay if you believe you’ll obtain equal or greater value in other forms.
    • Say yes to events you genuinely care about and want to see succeed, regardless of value.
    • Say no to events which take more value than they give.

    I hope this explanation of how to set your speaking fee is useful and helpful to you if you’re considering a speaking career.

    Disclosure: this post first appeared in 2012 and has been updated and upgraded over time. The most recent addition reflects the changed nature of events during the pandemic.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Quantifying Hallway Conversations?

    You Ask, I Answer: Quantifying Hallway Conversations?

    Jon asks, “Any thoughts on how to quantify online social media interactions at a conference versus those that happen in hallways and bars?”

    I’m not sure you could without either highly intrusive surveillance or robust individual tracking. Self-reporting would probably be the only reasonable way to gather and analyze this data that wouldn’t be unethical or problematic.

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    In today’s episode, john asks any thoughts on how to quantify online social media interactions at a conference versus those that happen in hallways and bars? I’m not sure that you could.

    online social media interactions are pretty straightforward, particularly those that are in public, your average marketing automation system, that if it’s any good at all, I can pull in social media data from public channels, and store that in the marketing automation system or forwarded on to the CRM, so that you can see who you’re interacting with and append that to existing records, if you have those social handles, one of the challenges you’ll run into is that the social handles of individuals may not necessarily be associated with, you know, companies or deals.

    So you will have to do some cleanup there to be able to see what are the interactions that you’re having on social media? And how does that relate to what you see in in your CRM, the bigger challenge is, the hallways and bars the offline.

    I mean, there are, there are ways that you could theoretically, log all that stuff, you could have a voice recorder, you know, and a microphone is where it, you know, at a big shirt that says I’m recording all the time, otherwise, you are violating wiretap laws.

    So you could, in theory, have this on all the time and just record every single conversation you have.

    And then you have to take this and send it to a transcription service to transcribe it and annotate it.

    But realistically, realistically, probably the only way to do that, at an event would be for sales professionals to to log their interactions to log their contacts and say, Hey, I was at this event.

    And this is these are the people I’ve met.

    And these are the interactions we had.

    And here’s the things that were discussed, we have all been that that person who get home from the event in a big pile of business cards, you know, stacked up on your desk, if you were really clever, you remembered to actually write something down on the cards that give you some semblance of what it was you talked to this person about.

    But for the most part, that’s going to be, that’s probably gonna be the easiest and best ways to, to log those interactions.

    Now, here’s the challenge, quantifying them in terms of what the value they provide is, again, with the online ones, because it’s all within the clickstream.

    And you can detect that activity and move it in, you know, into deals and things into CRM, you can start to estimate some of the interaction value.

    But even still, your timeline is going to be potentially all over the place, depending on what your company sells and how it sells it.

    You know, for my company, we were we were doing an analysis.

    Gosh, when was that? Few months ago.

    And we were trying to do attribution on particular deal types were like, where did this this come from.

    And one of them was a contact I had made with a person eight years ago, eight years ago.

    But you know, this is Trust Insights is only three years old.

    This predates this almost predates my work at my previous company.

    And it just took that long for that person to be in a position to move up into a position in their company where they had the authority to do some kind of a deal.

    And they had a need, they had a clear need for the the analytic services that we offered.

    And so how do you factor that into an ROI model? It’s really difficult.

    It’s really, really difficult.

    At best, though, what you can do is log all the interactions, and then look at the data over time and say, Okay, what things tend to generate deals? Is it events broadly? Is it Hallway Conversations? Is it social media, is it you know, stories in the newspaper, all those things have the potential to generate business but you don’t know until you look at the data? The the interactions people have at conferences.

    You know, I’ve seen some very skilled sales professionals have people signing deals and stuff at the bar.

    I don’t know if that was legally binding if the person was not a clear state of mind while they’re doing so, but I have seen people you know, do business in the event itself.

    Certainly a tradeshow floors and you know, Booth mixes that you see plenty of that.

    But comparing the two would be even more difficult I think because they’re different kinds of conversations.

    The interactions you have with somebody in public on Twitter or Facebook or LinkedIn or Instagram are going to be different by default, from, you know, just hanging out at the bar after a day at the conference.

    So you’re just gonna have very different kinds of conversations, very different kinds of interactions.

    seeing some sales professionals, behave less professional people at conferences at the bar afterwards, you definitely don’t want that in your CRM.

    And because of that, it’s not a true apples to apples comparison from just from the data type alone, you know, online social media conversation of a person sitting in their basement, or in their home office, or wherever, you know, typing into a keyboard versus, you know, hanging out at the bar, you know, over beers, very different kinds of interactions.

    So it would be somewhat foolish to try and create some kind of comparative method for valuation, like what’s the value of this versus that they’re, broadly that you could, you could probably classify the interaction types, and to see how they play a part, have played a role.

    But that would require fairly sophisticated modeling.

    That again, I don’t think a lot of systems would be, I know, no sale systems at all are configured to do that you have to do that manually.

    Self reporting really is the only reasonable way to gather and analyze the hallway conversation data, really is it and even then, with the online stuff, if your CRM or your marketing automation software doesn’t connect to, you know, social inboxes.

    Even that’s going to be something of a mystery, right? If somebody sends you a private message on Twitter, or in Facebook Messenger or whatever, you may not necessarily get that information.

    Some some organizations face even greater challenge where you may have sales professionals doing stuff on their personal accounts that they probably don’t want to connect to the system, corporate systems, but yet the business is being done.

    So again, self reporting is going to be the way to go there.

    The challenge for businesses is going to be motivating a sales professionals to do that self reporting accurately and timely.

    This is something that I’ve never seen a single organization ever, in my career that did not have a problem, getting people to self report.

    I have that problem.

    myself.

    And I’m a co owner of the company, you think of as any we had a motivation to do that it would be the the owners of the company, but I still forget to put stuff in the system as well.

    And the The only real leverage you have as a as an analytics person is to say, like we’re trying to prove the ROI of these things.

    And we need this information.

    If we don’t have this information, then we can’t justify spending money on sending you to Vegas or wherever, for these events.

    So we need you to document stuff.

    That’s typically the only leverage you have from an analytics perspective is to say like you can’t do the things that you enjoy that are fun if you don’t prove that they have some value.

    So that can help with the data problem.

    But at the end of the day, you have it comes down to what data you have.

    And can you prove any kind of interactions that lead to the closing of a deal? Sometimes you will it sometimes if there’s a very logical linear chain of events, other times, they won’t be and those are the times when you have to either get creative or accept that a certain percentage of your your marketing and your sales activity is going to be vague.

    It’s going to be not as clear as you want it to be.

    You could absolutely track for example, when salespeople are at conferences, physically they’re out of the office at these things back in the days when I went to conferences.

    That would be a at least a time based way to track some of those things to see that those activities were in the mix.

    But it’s really good question.

    It’s a tough question to answer.

    There’s no good answers yet.

    And it probably won’t be unless you really like intrusive surveillance.

    So your follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Tips for Getting The Most From Virtual Events?

    You Ask, I Answer: Tips for Getting The Most From Virtual Events?

    Erika asks, “What are your tips for getting the most out of virtual events as an attendee?”

    A great question given the changed world we live in. First, prioritize what’s transient – what are the things that you can only get during the virtual event? Sessions are generally recorded and you can go back to them later. What won’t you be able to access when the event is over?

    Second, what’s your burning question?

    Third, how many people can you ask your burning question to and where? Virtual events are better for this sort of thing than real life ones!

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    In today’s episode, Erica asks, What are your tips for getting the most out of virtual events? As an attendee? This is a great question given the changed world that we live in, and the fact that we’re going to be going to virtual events for at least another year.

    So if we’re going to invest the money, the time, etc, we need to get the most out of them.

    So virtual events are typically going to be a combination of a few different things.

    There’s, of course, the talking heads sessions, there may be some live sessions, there may be some networking and other activities and stuff that go with that.

    And of course, there’s the usual stuff like the vendor halls and things.

    So the first thing that you want to do with any kind of online event is look at all those different activities and make note of which things you will have access to after the event and which things you won’t.

    So what are those transient, intangible things that are going to fade away? As soon as the event is over? Sometimes that may be like a chat rooms? They have I’ve seen some events like have have speed dating and other networking things, breakout rooms, etc.

    What are those things that once events over you, that you simply won’t be able to get access to? Chances are, it’s going to be a lot of live stuff.

    So live chats, q&a is asked me anything’s those are all stuff that you want to prioritize, you want to put that at the top of your list, what stuff will there simply not be a chance to get back to later, the sessions, the you know, the all the recordings and stuff, there’s a good chance that you’re going to be able to access those up to a month after the event if not longer.

    So it’s probably a pretty safe bet that you can make note of the ones you want to attend.

    And then obviously, get them get the recordings, whenever you want.

    To have a discussion with attendees about a session, you may obviously need to attend those sessions, particularly if the event is structured in such a way where there’s a session, and then there’s like 20 minutes of live q&a with the session presenter as a fairly common thing.

    So you may want to sit through the sessions.

    With a virtual event, you got to book the time, you got to pretend that you’re at the actual event.

    You know, one of the things that’s great about real events is it takes you out of the space that you’re in every day, and put you in a situation where you are more receptive to learning because you’re not at the office Well, right now you’re at the office, right? You never leave the office.

    And so, for these events, you have to act as though you are not available.

    So setting all your stuff on Do Not Disturb not taking calls, not booking meetings.

    It’s hard.

    That’s really hard.

    I, I know how difficult that can be for a lot of people where they don’t feel like they can escape the office, you got to try even I mean, you could even go to the maybe illogical extreme of like booking a hotel room, you know, locally, and just, you know, spending the day there where you’re not at the office, just to put yourself in a different mindset.

    Second thing with any event, live or virtual in person or not, is to come up with your burning question, what is the question that you need an answer to? No matter what the event is? That, you know, that’s what you want on the event, you’re going to ask as many people that question as possible.

    Whatever your burning question is, Hey, does anybody know how to, you know increase the the memory window of a T five transformer? Does anybody know? How to get related keywords for your SEO tool? Does anybody know how to get LinkedIn analytics? Whatever your burning question is, make sure that you have it, you’re clear on it.

    And you’ve already googled it and stuff so that you’ve got the easy answers.

    Now you can get the more sophisticated answers that will help you make the most of any event.

    Frankly, it helps you make the most of any interaction period.

    Because if you are talking to somebody with purpose, there’s less chance of wasting your time there’s less chance of wasting their time.

    And you get provable value when you get back to the office when you get back to your normal work life.

    Third, with virtual events, how many people can you ask your burning question to and where and this is where virtual events actually have a bit of a leg up on real world events.

    When you go to real world event and you sit down at you know the table the meal times and you’re surrounded by you know eight to 10 other people all eating hotel chicken or standing in the buffet line.

    You You haven’t experienced there, which is good.

    You know, you can certainly listen to what other people have to say.

    But it can be tricky because you know, some people are louder than others.

    Some people don’t feel comfortable talking in front of others.

    Some people just talk over other people all the time.

    You don’t have that problem virtually.

    Right.

    So you know, the events Facebook group or slack group, or wherever your event is happening, it’s, it’s networking, that’s a great place to be able to ask your burning question to a lot of people a lot more people, more people than you could sit down with at a table and be able to sensibly hear their answers.

    So bring that burning question and hold on to every single person and say, Hey, has anybody figured out how to access LinkedIn analytics from from an API or a web scraper? or whatever? The The, the burning question is that you have Doing so will get you more answers and probably better answers.

    I know, I’ve had the experience of asking somebody, and, you know, you’re sitting at the table with them at a mealtime.

    And it’s awkward, they feel like they have to say something, even if they have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, and they have no credible information to offer on the topic.

    I’ve sat down with people who feel like they just have to have something to say no matter what.

    You don’t get that, again, in virtual environments, right, you’ll get as much you will get, you know, the standard, you know, mansplaining here and there.

    But for the most part, people who have actually something to say on the topic, in a virtual environment will will contribute and people who don’t, won’t feel a social obligation, like they’re sitting next to you.

    And they’re like, uh, huh, hi.

    You don’t get that in the virtual environment.

    So that’s, the third thing is to make sure, a fourth thing, make sure that you’re asking your burning questions for as many people in the places that the event is set aside during the event, because again, that’s going to be one of those things that’s transient, once the event is over.

    It’s going to be harder to ask people those questions.

    The same is true with the various speakers and things, even if the speaker is not in the live things, right.

    You know, they a lot of his sessions are pre recorded at many events, you can absolutely, you know, with greater context, you know, tweet at them or hit them up on, on wherever it is that they are, and say, Hey, I just watched your session at content marketing world.

    And they’re like, Oh, yeah, that’s right.

    That’s This Week, isn’t it? I have a question for you.

    Can I ask you a question? Right? It’s it is contextually more relevant to cold outreach to a speaker at the event that they’re speaking at? Then it would be say, other times the or not, but I think that would be that many people who’d be jerks and say, like, no, you’re not allowed to talk to me? If I’m not at the event.

    But certainly, from a context perspective, it makes you sad to say, Oh, that’s right.

    I just, I just did that workshop on on AI for content marketers.

    Yeah.

    What’s your question? We can have a conversation about the workshop that you did, because even if I as a speaker didn’t attend, any other sessions can at least, hopefully Remember what I said in my own session, and answer questions for it.

    So that would be again, one of those things that from a context perspective, use that time during the event to ask questions relevant to the event to people who are who are presenting there.

    Again, it’s a good opportunity to do that.

    So those would be my main suggestions.

    prioritize the transient, set up the environment, figure out your burning question, and then ask those questions.

    That question is to as many people as possible and get as much information as you can on your burning question.

    If you’re about to head into an event, like you know, content marketing world, or marketing products, or whatever, and you don’t have your burning question, take the 30 minutes to really boil that down, right to Google some stuff.

    And to get to a point where you’re like, Oh, yeah, this is a question I’ve not been able to find the answer to it will pay dividends for weeks, months, years to come.

    I’ve had burning questions that have given me a couple of years of things to research and work on some great question got follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Adapting Presentations for Virtual?

    You Ask, I Answer: Adapting Presentations for Virtual?

    Cathy asks, Can an in-person talk be adapted for a digital experience? What skills are different for virtual presentations?

    In a room, you are addressing one to many. In a digital/virtual environment, you are addressing one to one. For the most part, on the other end of a connection there won’t be a dozen people.

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    In today’s episode Kathy asks, can have in person talk be adapted for a digital experience? What skills are different for virtual presentations? A lot of different, a lot is different.

    And the most important thing I think to keep in mind, is that a virtual presentation when you are as we are right now, talking to each other while I’m talking to you, I guess is that it’s not a stage.

    Right? Look around you right now there.

    How many other people are watching this with you? Not many, right? When you’re onstage in a big room, it’s 100,000 10,000 people all there and there’s a definite different energy and the language that you use will reflect that.

    Walk on stage.

    Hey, folks, Great to see ya.

    Right? When we’re on a channel like this, I go Hey, folks, and you’re like, what? what folks? It’s me and my office, right? It’s me on my phone.

    It’s only me.

    So, from a communications perspective, one of the biggest change is that public speakers have had to make and should make and if you’re doing a talk, you should make sure you’re not talking to a roomful of people.

    Even if you see 25 heads on the bowl, zoom interface, whatever.

    From the customer’s perspective, you are talking just to them is a one to one conversation to them, especially on a webinar, like zoom calls, you can at least see, you know, the floating heads on a webinar where this you know, yeah, you take this to the list of attendees, 125 people or whatever listening, but it really is only you, and both and the speaker.

    So as a speaker, you have to change your language.

    You have to change your mannerisms.

    You change the way you speak.

    Speak when you’re talking to an audience one to one.

    I changed a lot of what I do my videos when I realized that it’s just you and me.

    Right? Even language like that.

    It’s like it’s not it’s not just me and my audience, right, that’s me and assuming that’s a one to many relationship, but when we’re talking like this, it’s one one’s just you and me.

    having a conversation.

    One of the challenges that people are going to face that speakers have a really hard time with in virtual environments is lack of feedback.

    In a roomful of people, you can see guys, everyone on their phones, right? People holding their phones, taking pictures, or they, you know, taking photos, your slides, you can tell when people are engaged in virtual environments, very difficult to do.

    So, as a speaker, one of the things you’ve got to get real comfortable with is talking to nobody.

    Right? talking to an audience that isn’t there.

    A silly trick that some people do enjoy doing is they’ll take a look at an actual photo of somebody they respected, they’ll put it right next to their camera, and they’ll talk to that photo.

    And, and and it helps make them make the mental connection that there is somebody on the other end of this piece of plastic and glass and metal.

    And it helps direct the conversation and the feeling.

    Because your brain is thinking I do see a person there.

    That helps.

    Just like with a zoom call, one of the things I recommend you do is like these little boom arms here, can you can put a camera on them and then you can move that around.

    I like to put the camera in the middle of the zoom window.

    So I’m looking at the zoom window.

    I’m seeing the people as as I’m talking to them when I do like classes and things.

    Other things that change, there is a a strong prohibition against having more than like 10 words on the slide for onstage talks.

    The reason In a simple, our brains are language based brains and image based brains left, right, whatever you want to call it.

    The language processor is a serial processor and ahead.

    So we can only interpret one language stream at a time.

    That’s why I have two people talking at the same time, it’s very hard to make out what they’re saying.

    But you can look at two different images at the same time, right, you can go to art gallery and see like a wall full of images.

    You can hear a bunch of different sounds and a piece of music because that part of the brain works differently.

    When we’re on stage.

    I want people listening to the words I’m saying and not reading off of the slide.

    In a virtual environment that’s different.

    There is no person to pay attention to.

    And so you can have a few more words on a slide.

    And that actually directs the audience gives them something to do if it’s just a slide of like a picture of your dog, which I have a fair number of, that’s fine, but then I had better be an even better speaker.

    Even more entertaining a different tone so that people are engaged with that because at that point, if it’s just a slide and a voice, you’re basically a radio show.

    Right? At that point you are a radio show with a billboard as if you are not a speaking human being that can be helped by having like little picture and picture.

    persons, you know, the the the webcam running, that shows that there’s actually a person there.

    When possible, do stuff live.

    A lot of shows a lot of conferences gone to, you know, canned talks, and that’s okay.

    Because it certainly is a very uneven experience based on technology.

    People have their houses about what kind of content you can deliver.

    But if you can do stuff live, if you can do stuff with tons of QA, virtual environments are great for that.

    There’s a chat room.

    You know, one of the challenges we have with on stage talks is you don’t want people to You’re raising hand the mill, you’re talking, hey, yeah, this is work, right.

    But you can absolutely have that happen in in the chat for a virtual experience and have people ask questions as they have money.

    Oh, yeah, that that’s a question I want to ask them.

    They, if you create that experience, and you’re amenable to that experience, when you’re talking, you can either weave it into the talk itself or have a longer q&a, like if you are talking, you’re 16 minutes in and the chat is filled with questions, you can say, Okay, you know what, I’m going to change my talk a little bit shorten up as we can tackle all these great questions that came in.

    So you have to be very flexible, to be able to deliver a lot of value like that.

    If you see there’s a ton of QA engagement already happening during the talk.

    The same is true for you.

    You can use interaction features.

    So there’s a lot of features in virtual environments, you know, people can raise their hands, they can, you know, put a little emojis in the chat and stuff like that you can stimulate some of that engagement to ask people to pay attention, essentially.

    But at the end of the day, it’s still conference call, it’s still radio a lot of the time.

    At best, it’s a YouTube video, it is not the same as being in a conference room.

    And the reason the big thing behind that is that you’ve not taking that audience member out of their comfortable environment that they used to with all the distractions of an office or a home office or, or, or whatever.

    And their mindset is different.

    They are not in the mindset of I’m here for two days to learn this thing there.

    their mindset is, I’m popping in for 45 minutes between meetings to learn this thing.

    And so you have to remember that and engage them where they are in that context.

    Okay, folks, if you’re here, you know, the dog is barking or the kids are crying, cool.

    Step out as you need to, this is being recorded.

    Copy will be provided to you.

    And one tip that I find super helpful is to make sure that you provide you with cereals in multiple formats when you’re done.

    So provide the slides, yes, provide the audio.

    So if somebody wants to read, listen, they can, which means you have to think about how heavily does your presentation or live visuals, provide the video, the recording, and provide an AI based transcript or real human transcript if you want to pay for it, but an AI based transcript so if someone just wants to read through the talk, people read way faster than we talk, people can read up to 400 words a minute, we kept pretty much to be intelligible at about 150 words a minute.

    So providing that that transcript can help someone find just the part of the presentation they want.

    You can take a digital presentation and slice it up in a whole bunch of different ways and provide a lot of post event value.

    So that’s how to adapt presentations for the virtual world.

    There’s a lot you can do.

    There’s a lot you should do.

    But it starts with recognizing that you’re not talking to a roomful of people anymore.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Customizing Speaking Presentations?

    You Ask, I Answer: Customizing Speaking Presentations?

    Cathy asks, So you’re a subject matter expert, but your audiences (i.e. seniority, industries, geography) from gig to gig differ. How do you go about customizing presentations while maintaining your core message?

    This one is straightforward: the more Q&A you include, the more every presentation is customized to what that audience wants to hear. If you leave no time or five minutes for Q&A, then anyone sitting in that audience who has heard your canned talk before will know it’s canned.

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    In today’s episode Kathy asks, so your subject matter expert by your audience’s seniority and industry, geography from gig different from gig to gig differ, how do you go about customizing presentations will maintain your core message.

    So this one’s pretty straightforward.

    customizing a presentation is something that you do to provide value to the audience, right? number one rule of presentations, is an old sales guy told me this back in the early part of the last decade, now the radio in their customers head is permanently tuned to one station wi I FM, what’s in it for me? So depending on the audience, what’s in it for them, if you’re doing a talk on, say, digital photography, what’s in it for an audience of artists who What’s in it for an audience of plumbers? What’s in it for an audience of industrial concrete specialists? If you don’t know the answer, you probably shouldn’t be on stage.

    Right? Because the audience cares very much about what’s in it for them.

    So a big part of customizing presentation is understanding what the audience is therefore, what do they want? And that may mean you have to do a hefty amount of research on their industry to ask, what are the problems they face and how does what I’m about to talk about apply to them.

    I did a talk on truck driving, recruiting a little while back and I had to do an actual research project to understand the needs of what it is that recruiters are trying to do.

    When I did a healthcare talk.

    Okay, what are the data challenges that AI is helping address in healthcare? So you’re going to spend a lot of time you should be spending a lot of time researching the audience, the industry, the challenges that they have understand some of the language, understanding some of the culture, all these things go into speaking, it’s one of the reasons why public speakers good ones cost so much, because it’s not the hour that you spend on stage.

    It’s the 40 6080 hours you spend up front and doing the research when I was talking, I did a keynote in Poland.

    I spent three weeks spending a whole lot of time with Duolingo and other things just to get basic ability to you know, basic customer mannerisms and, and phrases in Polish so that again, I could I speak Polish fluently? Absolutely not.

    Could I at least do basic hellos, goodbyes and show that I had some level of awareness of the culture? Yes.

    I absolutely spent time it was presentation on AI.

    Now what are the major challenges that that particular part of Poland was facing? It wasn’t even all of Poland It was a particular section called Pomerania? What were the challenges that They were having their big challenges was business development trying to attract more businesses to the region.

    So we talked about ways to do that.

    Looking at influencers, looking how to do network graphing and natural language processing in Polish, because polish is a Slavic language with a Western language character set.

    So that presents some real interesting challenges for people who are building natural language models.

    So you spend a lot of time doing research upfront to figure out what is it that this audience desperately needs to hear? And how did the core techniques or the ideas apply to them? You got to put yourself in the audience’s seat.

    What’s in it for me when they’re on stage, when they’re in the audience listening to you whether it’s in a room or on a virtual connection? That person is going what’s in this for me, what am I going to get out of this? Another thing that is I think, so powerful and so underrated is q&a.

    The more q&a you will Include, the more every presentation is customized to exactly that specific audience because you can give some ideas and people will say, Well, I don’t understand how this idea applies to me.

    And that’s when, as my friend, Gary Vaynerchuk says, that’s when you separate the adults from the children.

    Because if you are up there giving a canned talk, you know, you’re on the 15 Minute Webinar, it’s pre recorded, just go you push the play button, and then you’re done.

    You’ve given no time to the audience for q&a, and they don’t necessarily have to know how to apply your message, especially if your message is in any way shape, or form.

    even slightly technical, or even slightly detailed in terms of techniques.

    Now, if it’s just your motivational stories, like hey, I bicycle to the North Pole and what a great challenge it was though, there’s fewer questions the audience is going to have about that type of talk but if you are doing any kind of Typical marketing or business talk, there should be q&a if there isn’t.

    You might not have done such a good job because people don’t know how to ask more questions to apply what you said to them.

    I personally see it as a failure of mine If I give a talk and there isn’t q&a if there aren’t a whole bunch of hands up, or a little hand blinking things in zoom when I’ve talked, because it means that I probably went way over people’s heads, and they’re like, I don’t get it.

    So q&a.

    What’s the right balance? I would say up anywhere from a third to a half of the time has been allotted for q&a.

    So deliver the the big idea in 20 minutes, right, if you can deliver the big idea in 20 minutes.

    This, by the way, actually really helps with what my friend Tamsin Webster calls fire hosing, we just pour a whole bunch of data on someone’s head.

    Because in 20 minutes, you really only have time for one big idea or one big concept.

    And then the remaining 2025 3540 minutes left for QA.

    People can ask how do I do this? How do I apply this? What’s in this for me? Where do I find this? Do you know people who can help me with this all the questions that are valued race based questions, that’s when the audience is going to come out and say, I need to know how to do this.

    I need to know how to implement this.

    And when you do q&a, that presentation is as a whole, completely unique, because yes, you’ll always get the few of the same questions.

    And maybe if you keep getting those questions, it’s a sign that your talk needs to be adapted to answer those questions implicitly.

    After that, every talk is custom to the people who are in that room.

    It’s not even what industry you’re in.

    It’s just the people who are in that room that day that had those questions that you were able to answered, leave a ton of time for q&a.

    Leave a ton of time for it.

    Let people ask their questions, and you will never have trouble customizing.

    If anything, you’ll have the opposite problem, you will you the audience may go down some rabbit holes that you may or may not want to go down because it just is not relevant.

    I remember giving a talk on applications of AI for marketing.

    And there were a few questions on, you know, the the implications of, you know, political and legal and societal context.

    And I answered them at a surface level, but like, Look, that’s not necessarily the focus of this presentation.

    The focus was on the applications for marketing.

    Yes, absolutely.

    There are legal and moral implications.

    But that’s a separate talk.

    That’s a separate talk entirely.

    Sometimes.

    That’s okay.

    If the audience’s like, it’s one Ask the question, everybody leans forward like, oh, okay, you know, if you’re on zoom and suddenly, like every head comes up and everyone’s watching all sudden, like, okay, we’re gonna spend some time on this.

    But again, that’s a sign of a really engaged, customized talk that everyone is paying attention rapidly to figure out what it is you’re about to say.

    So customization of the talk adapter ideas, by spending a crap ton of time upfront doing the research that you need to do to make a really good custom talk for that audience.

    And then let the q&a run as long as you have the ability to do so leave a ton of time for it, so that you can demonstrate your actual subject matter expertise by answering quiz specific questions people have.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: In-Person Conferences and the Pandemic?

    You Ask, I Answer: In-Person Conferences and the Pandemic?

    Stephanie asks, “What will in-person events need to think about, implement and communicate for you to feel comfortable returning to some of your favorite conferences?”

    Disclaimer: I am not a medical professional. For professional advice about COVID-19 please consult a qualified virologist or epidemiologist.

    For in-person conferences to be safe, a vaccine needs to be broadly available and attendees screened for it. That’s the necessary level of safety, period. End of story.

    There are some measures you could take now to make things less risky, but there’s still an unacceptably high level of risk for large, in-person gatherings. No sane insurance company will insure an event without a vaccine, and no conference should be having an event without insurance. Having an event right now, absent a broadly available vaccine, is willful negligence, and insurance won’t cover that.

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    In today’s episode, Stephanie asks what will in person events need to think about implement and communicate for you to feel comfortable returning to some of your favorite conferences.

    Disclaimer, I am not a medical professional.

    I am a marketer.

    I do follow a lot of the medical journals very carefully, but I am still not a medical professional.

    So, if you want professional advice, please seek someone who has an actual medical degree in biology or epidemiology.

    Now, that’s it.

    For in person conferences to be safe.

    It’s an important word.

    A vaccine needs to be broadly available and attendees screened for it.

    That is the necessary level of safety period End of story.

    If there’s no vaccine available, a conference isn’t safe.

    That’s it.

    We know from hundreds of medical professionals from papers and research, etc.

    that COVID-19 is an air airborne disease is an aerosol based airborne disease.

    As of the time of this recording, which is July 24 2020, there is some consensus that airborne may be the primary method of spread that vectors like droplets and fomites may not be as important as the aerosol components.

    So, you’re breathing all the time, you’re going to an event where the primary method of communication is talking.

    And conference spaces are not particularly well ventilated.

    Which means that you are being exposed and there’s no responsible way to have an event in that atmosphere literally in that atmosphere in that air right.

    I have on my desk here a co2 detector, that is detecting the amount of co2 in the air.

    Fresh air about 450 parts per million indoors poorly ventilated, it’s going to be higher than that, that a meter like this will tell you very quickly how dense an airspace is if it’s not being ventilated, it will be above 450.

    I am sitting here talking at my desk and this is not a large room is a, it’s my basement.

    But it’s not a ton of airflow.

    It’s very much like an indoor space is an indoor space.

    My current co2 from me talking just now is 852 parts per million.

    Right? This is a really good proxy for measuring the level of infectivity of the air.

    Right.

    This is devices like 40 bucks on Amazon.

    This is not good, right? This fundamentally means if I was in an office space, this whole space would be unsafe, because I’m talking and I’m spraying particles to micro microscopic particles into the air as I speak.

    Now if I’m on stage and I’m yelling and I’m you know, talking Allow them as attendees talking to each other.

    This mute is going to go to 1000 to 1200 or 1500.

    Right? co2 itself is not harmful unless like there’s no other oxygen, but it is a proxy for how much I am emitting into the atmosphere.

    And even with really good masks, you’re still getting some spread, right? We know that cloth masks do cut the risk down from, you know, 80% down to, you know, 1.5% on a per person basis.

    Right now you put 500 1000 1500 to 4000 people into an airspace and you’re still going to get spread.

    There’s there’s no way around that there’s just too many people particularly when you have morons who can’t put a mask on properly.

    They were does a chin strap, right, you know, they have their nose exposed and they’re still breathing out, unfiltered air at an event, you cannot control people’s behaviors.

    You just can’t Now if you would have an event where it was just presentations only, and people were spaced out, and they would no parties, no meals, no anything, no social gatherings.

    Yes, that would be safer.

    But also, you may as well just have a virtual event at that point because you’ve taken all of the things that people like to do at events and remove them for their safety, to stay home.

    There are no measures that an in person event can take that’s going to create an unacceptable level of risk in person until a vaccine is available.

    More important, no insurance company that sane is going to insure an event without a vaccine, right? And no conference should ever be having any kind of event without insurance because having an event without insurance is crazy, right? You just been sued if you lose everything.

    When there are legal directives in place, that from government officials, whatever that say, no large gatherings and you host a large gathering You can very easily be sued for willful negligence, right? Could you could someone prove that they caught the virus at your event? Maybe, maybe not.

    Can they prove that you had the event in direct opposition of orders from a government health professionals? Absolutely.

    And you will get sued.

    And even if you win, you still are still getting sued, which is an expensive process.

    Right now, without a vaccine having an in person event is willful negligence.

    insurance will cover that.

    Right.

    So there’s really no easy way for events to do this.

    When a vaccine is available, the number one thing that events will need to do is is to ask, have you been vaccinated.

    And you’ll want to talk with your health professionals and your legal professionals about the legality of denying people entrants who are not vaccinated, because again, it’s creating risk.

    Now, there there is There is some precedent for you know, not having to do that.

    Obviously you go, we have flu vaccines and people do a no get it.

    And then if a vaccine is available to everyone, and it’s been in the population, and there is a likely probability that everyone has had the chance to get it, then that relieves your legal obligation, right? Because like the flu vaccine, if you don’t get it, and it’s broadly available that’s on you, the attendee, it’s not on the event.

    But for example, again, this is no July, United States just ordered 100 million doses of experimental vaccine from Pfizer.

    Some biologists believe that you’re going to need the initial and then a booster sets really only 50 million treatments available to a country of 330 million.

    That’s still a very high level of risk for everybody involved.

    Can events mandate masks? Yes.

    And they should, even with a vaccine ability Because, again, not everyone’s going to get vaccinated, not everyone’s going to, you know, have the opportunity to do so.

    But you can absolutely mandate masks still.

    And I think that’s gonna be part of the culture for a while.

    And you can still recommend that people avoid, you know, close gatherings and things after parties, etc.

    Should you be having a party as an event? Now that vaccine? Nope.

    So this is what events need to think about.

    for the foreseeable near term future until a vaccine is available, you should be a virtual event.

    There’s no other way to do it.

    That is safe.

    That is not willfully negligent, and that it does not pose an unnecessary risk to people and their health and to the people around them.

    So that goes back to the previous episode we had on what can event what should businesses be doing in place? Maybe we’ll tackle that in the next episode.

    What kind of events be doing Instead, to still offer value and then frankly for event companies will still stay in business.

    There are ways to do that.

    Having in person events is not one of them.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Driving Leads Without Conferences?

    You Ask, I Answer: Driving Leads Without Conferences?

    Stephanie asks, “The pandemic has led to the cancellation of many conferences. If in-person events are a cornerstone touchpoint for a brand, how should marketers pivot? What can they do now to drive pipeline activity?”

    It depends on how you got your pipeline from shows. Was it as a sponsor and you got the list? Was it from the stage? Was it private parties and dinners? Once you understand the mechanism, you can find analogues for today’s world.

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    In today’s episode, Stephanie asks the pandemic has led to the cancellation of many conferences in person events are a cornerstone touch point for a brand.

    How should marketers pivot? What can they do now to drive pipeline activity? So it’s a good question.

    The answer depends on how you got pipeline from shows.

    So for example, if you are a silver or gold or platinum, whatever sponsor of a conference, you may get a portion or all of the attendee registration list, right.

    So your pipeline essentially came from the conference gathering up names, emails for you, and handing them over in exchange for a big pile of money.

    If you got leads from the stage, you had one or more speakers, you’ve paid to have them be up on stage, or they were just good enough speakers that they merited on their own Then that’s a different mechanism where there’s some call to action from a, an educational benefit to your users to your audience.

    If it was private parties and dinners, you know, the ability to take 10 prospects out to an expensive steak dinner somewhere as a different level of engagement.

    Once you understand the mechanism by which a conference fed you pipeline, you can find analogues for the world as it is now at inside the pandemic.

    So, let’s think about this.

    If your thing was the steak dinner, right? What are some things that you can do to replicate a part of that experience? The whole point of a steak dinner kind of environment is it gives you and a handful of prospects the ability to have a discussion for a long time, they may or may not be a guest speaker of some kind.

    Give me Maybe like a panel discussion or something, but it’s it’s a more intimate event, right? It’s usually not going to be more than like 20 people in a room and even at one table, it’s gonna be, you know, eight to 10 people at a table.

    What happens if you start doing things like zoom calls but with some kind of tangible added benefit, I’ve seen a number of brands do this very successfully, where they will send out like, bottles of wine to a select group of people and say, Look, you know, be online at this time.

    And we’ll have a wine tasting together or another sampler probably will actually cost you less than the steak dinner because steak dinners you know, so run easily 100 bucks a person get to have you bottles of wine and then get them all shipped out and you can meet the same essentially cost.

    And you can replicate a lot of the discussion part of the experience you know, you have your subject matter expert, maybe a guest speaker of some kind and through the the hazing you To kind of hang out for the hour or whatever, if you’re getting leads from the stage itself, again, that one’s a fairly obvious one to replicate, you do webinars and instead of, you know, just large scale webinars, maybe you have a very focused webinar, maybe you do some innovative advertising to drive attention to it.

    But the webinar one is pretty straightforward.

    There’s a almost a one to one replacement from speaking with a stage in a webinar.

    If you are having trouble attracting people to your webinars, because your brand is not well known.

    And or you have not had the greatest track record of webinars, you again may want to bring in a guest speaker, a panelist, somebody that can bring some of their own audience and eyeballs with them to the event.

    expect to pay for that expect and depending on the size of the audience expect to pay more for that, the larger the audience gets, but It’s a way to access the same crowd that you would access if it was at an event.

    Because when you’re at an event, particularly for the larger speakers, or speakers who are known for your topic, people are in that room to, to see that person talk and hear what they have to say.

    So when you see somebody like Ann Handley on stage, you are there to listen to and talk about writing.

    If you see somebody like crystal Washington on stage, we’re there to learn about tech futurism.

    And so if you engage those speakers in your webinar, there’s a good chance they will bring some of their audience with them.

    And that’s what you want.

    You want net new audience.

    You don’t want to be just the audience you currently have.

    Although there’s there’s nothing wrong with nurturing them.

    If you’re trying to build a new pipeline.

    You need to bring in some audience when it comes to just big lists.

    That is is a little bit tougher, but not not insurmountable.

    Essentially, at that point, you’d start looking at co registration.

    So co registration on white papers, on ebooks, on on webinars or other events, newsletters, whatever the case may be sponsoring a newsletter would be a great way to do that, because again, you’re going to be trying to get a large number of registrations that you can then put into your marketing automation system.

    So if you as an example, I did a paper with Talkwalker, my company Trust Insights and Talkwalker collaborated, we worked out a a, an arrangement and we had a custom built piece of research that we did and published and generated about 1200 leads for for them.

    And so that was a for your reasonable investment, a good way to draw a lot of new pipeline for them to work with now, is it all qualified? No, but neither is you know, everybody who attends a conference.

    Whatever the mechanism is that the conference delivers for you, you can find digital versions of that now, it’s just you have to get away from the idea of thinking that it’s going to function exactly like a conference, you have to look at the techniques that are available, let’s say which techniques map to the the, the benefit we used to get from the event? Are there other things that you are missing? Yes, there’s always that absence of serendipity.

    Right? No matter how good a virtual event is, it just cannot seem to replicate that, you know, randomly bumping into somebody in the hallway or hanging out at somebody’s booth and meeting a new friend.

    That’s very difficult to do digitally.

    I’ve not seen anything that comes close to that other than curated communities.

    So for example, if they’re joining us slack instance, about a specific topic, you can meet new people there in a in a conversation.

    But running out and building community like that is not something you can just stand up for an event and then let go.

    I mean, you can do it, but it’s kind of tacky.

    You have to invest the time in that community to make it work.

    We’ve been running the analytics for marketers community, if you go to Trust insights.ai slash analytics for marketers.

    I’ve been running that for well over a year, and only recently passed about 1000 new people in there.

    It’s one of those things that it takes time to build and grow and nurture community and you have to put a lot more into it upfront, then you’re going to get out of it a lot more.

    But that can replicate that serendipity experience if you’re trying to attract people who might not otherwise want your newsletter or attend your webinar, or hang out on a zoom call with you.

    And they can get to know you in a way that is not less threatening, but I guess less they perceive they will perceive as less than Likely for you to try and sell them something immediately.

    And they know they can, you know, punch out if if things are there’s no benefit for them.

    So think about the the benefits you got, map them to digital analog, that’s a terrible catchphrase, match them to their digital equivalents now, and you can replicate most of the benefits of a conference.

    But remember that unlike a real conference, you’re breaking them into different pieces, so you’ll get less of a synergistic effect than you would in a real world event.

    But you can still do it, you can still meet your deadlines, you can still meet your goals for events for the year.

    Just think differently about what those tactics look like to achieve the same strategic goal.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Recommendations for Virtual Tradeshows?

    You Ask, I Answer: Recommendations for Virtual Tradeshows?

    Krystal asks, “With many of our tradeshows canceled for this year, our president wants to look at doing a virtual tradeshow. We get a ton of new leads for new practices and expansions. We are not an industry leader by any means but would love to hear thoughts on platforms and costs associated with this. What are your thoughts?”

    The key question is this: what’s in it for the audience? This is where so many virtual events fall down. A real tradeshow has a ton of ancillary benefits. A virtual one offers almost none of those. That’s the challenge you have to solve first, and software won’t fix it.

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    In today’s episode crystal asks was many of our trade shows cancelled for this year, our president wants to look at doing a virtual trade show, we get a ton of leads for new practices and expansions.

    We are not an industry leader by any means.

    But we’d love to hear thoughts on platforms and costs associated with this.

    What are your thoughts? A lot of companies, conferences, events have gone to virtual events, whether it’s just something as simple as a webinar all the way to, you know, virtual summits and things.

    And they’re in a challenging place right now.

    And the challenges is twofold.

    One, there’s a lot of competition for eyeballs for audiences because everyone has had to move their shows virtually, but to virtual trade shows, virtual shows in general conferences, etc.

    They do a really poor job of actually Answering the most important question, which is what’s in it for the audience? This is where, you know, many, many virtual events fall down.

    What does the audience get out of a virtual show that they can’t get from somewhere else? So, real simple.

    Think about what a virtual event is.

    It’s typically, you know, speakers talking with slides in some virtual chat room, or, you know, I’ve seen some interesting attempts at cloning, like exhibit halls and stuff like that.

    And it’s really clear what’s in it for the event organizer.

    It’s really clear what’s in it for the sponsors.

    It’s really clear what’s in it for the speakers.

    It’s not really clear what’s in it for the audience.

    There are many professional speakers out there that would show up at these events and give a slightly tweaked version of their typical talk.

    And there’s no compelling reason to sit through that event and give your information to that event when you can look them up on YouTube and watch them there and not have to give any information over.

    So what’s in it for the audience? The same is true of all the topics all the professional development.

    When you look at the Trust Insights paper we did on most used social media channels during the pandemic, thus far.

    YouTube is king of the hill.

    People go to YouTube for everything.

    So how is what you have to offer in a virtual event? Better than YouTube for the attendee.

    We spend so much time lining up sponsors and paying speakers hopefully that we don’t spend a whole lot of time thinking about what the audience gets.

    When you think about a real trade show, a physical world trade show or conference, there are a ton of ancillary benefits, right? You get to leave the office for a few days.

    You get to travel someplace you get to eat different foods may not be better, but it’s different.

    You get to network in person have those moments of serendipity where you’re bumping into people in the hallways and seeing old friends or making new friends.

    There are, you know, the the event parties and stuff at larger events and such happy hours and all those things.

    There are the tradeshow booths where there’s virtual swag with a real swag that you can pick up little tradeshow, gimmicks and, you know, stuffed animals and all these things that you can bring home to your kids and such.

    At a virtual event, you get none of that.

    Absolutely know that you don’t get to leave the office, you might get to turn your you know, out of office honor or something.

    You don’t get to eat anything different because you’re still at home as you should be in a pandemic.

    You don’t get a tradeshow swag.

    Those virtual systems that try to mimic an exhibit hall.

    Really are for the benefit of the sponsor only there’s no real benefit to hanging out in those.

    For the attendee, I’ve been to a bunch of, you know, virtual summits and stuff and like, go go check out our exhibit hall.

    Why? There’s no reason for me to go in there.

    And if what the speakers are saying is available on YouTube, then suddenly there is no benefit to trade show.

    So what should your approach be in a situation like this, I would start small, start with a webinar first, your own right, as opposed to a giant trade show or trying to organize a trade or start with a webinar and see if there is even interest in your audience wanting a virtual event format of any kind for your industry, and if there is great you’ll get, you know, 50 100 200 500 attendees doesn’t matter what the number is.

    And you’ll get a sense, hey, this is there’s a there’s a here here, right? There’s a there there, there’s there’s something worth paying attention to And then you can start to organize a trade show, I would not leap straight into a trade show.

    If you can’t get people to show up for a webinar on an industry topic, then a trade show is going to be a big waste of time and money.

    Now, on the other hand, if you managed to, you know, announce your first webinar and you get 1000 people to sign up for it.

    Okay, now you’re talking now you that now there’s a there there that can say, I think there’s enough interest to justify the investment in a trade show.

    So I would start small.

    And if you do go the tradeshow route, I would spend a lot of time a lot of time investigating what can we offer in those ancillary benefits that you can’t get somewhere else? like YouTube, and it’s different, right.

    Agorapulse when they put on their virtual summits, they do a great job of of treating it like a season on Netflix.

    So there’s not they don’t try to replicate the tradeshow experience, what they looked at was, what is the virtual format that people like best? Do you want to be chained to your desk between a certain time a certain time? The answer is no, because it’s a lot harder to be out of the office when you’re not physically out of the office.

    So they figured do it like a season and Netflix, you can binge the whole thing, you can just see the the episodes you want.

    And it’s worked really well for them, like literally thousands of people show up for their events.

    And they are fantastic events.

    So don’t try to replicate the real world trade show experience, because it’s really difficult to do.

    But one of the things that you can do in a virtual environment that are unique to it.

    Like the Netflix example, for example, I can’t at a conference go to every session because it’s multiple sessions at the same time and I have to pick and choose which ones I want to see.

    With something like the Netflix example, I don’t have to pick and choose.

    Are there different speakers that you could get that would be that maybe You haven’t been on stage yet? Or are not well known.

    Could you showcase some different voices, different perspectives that maybe would lend a lot more diversity to the speaker pool as opposed to say, having the same five people show up at every trade show industry event? Can you do things with digital goods? from, you know, white papers and webinars and boring stuff about to even interesting content, like music, for example? Are there things that you can do with digital subscriptions as as essentially a virtual version of a tradeshow giveaway, you know, stay till the end and you’ll get a $10 Apple Music card or something along those lines and encourage, if you do go this, the tradeshow booth out, encourage your sponsors to do the same like hey, you’re gonna have to spend some money to get people to show up at your booth.

    But make it in digital goods like a free month of Spotify.

    You know, a free month of YouTube TV Whatever the thing is, make it worth the time for the attendees.

    That’s the key.

    Put yourself in the attendees shoes.

    Say what’s in it for me, what can I get here that I cannot get elsewhere that I actually want? Right? Because you can get a lot of things someplace you can’t get anywhere else but they may not be things you want.

    So good question, tough question for the industry.

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