Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Makes Epic Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: What Makes Epic Content Marketing?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “What do you think make some content marketing epic?””

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks, What do you think make some content marketing epic? I’m assuming by Epic, we mean something that’s cool or great and not the geological age.

    You know, with content marketing, there’s the three E’s of content, marketing the things and really of all marketing things that everything that works has to have in some combination, entertaining, educating, and engaging, right.

    So if your content can do at least one of those, well, it’s going to fulfill its purpose.

    If it does two of those, well, it’s probably going to stand out.

    And if you can manage to do all three, you will sort of hit the jackpot.

    So we’re talking about content that entertains not just educates because education is fine anyway, the part imparting of information, that’s a useful thing.

    But we know that just because something educational doesn’t mean it’s fun to watch, right, college was educational, and how many of your college classes did you flip through, even though education was being imparted? So that entertaining aspect really is important.

    To be able to engage people emotionally is important, right? A piece of content doesn’t necessarily have to amuse us, but it should absolutely incite some form of emotional reaction.

    When it engages us.

    All of our decision making as people are based on emotions, right? We make decisions emotionally, and then we look for all the data to back that up to rationalize our decisions.

    So the best content does all three, you look at some of the most popular YouTube channels that don’t have a single state purpose, like Yeah, obviously, your musician predominantly is going to be entertaining and engaging, right, and probably not a ton of education on those channels.

    But the you know, the best musicians do those things very well.

    But look at something like, for example, Google foods on YouTube, or bow of the fifth column.

    These are channels that they agitate, they do entertain, and they engage and maybe score yourself, score your content, score other people’s content on those three dimensions, you will find that the very best stuff tops the charts in all three, you know, in those examples, the channel at Google foods, highly entertaining, right, just a bunch of guys cooking a lot of beef, very educational, lots of experiments, lots of fun, you know, trying to tenderize beef with sparkling water and a variety of other things, and engaging in getting people to react, figuring out character arcs for their various on air hosts, I think all those things make for really great content marketing, and then look at content marketing, that doesn’t top those charts, right? Look at your average white paper, or webinar or ebook, or what have you.

    It becomes pretty clear that’s like, Okay, this is this is educational, I have to do this, watch this thing for my job or read this thing for my job.

    But it’s not thrilling, right? Look at the content that you have that you procrastinate on consuming.

    Right, you know that you should read that ebook.

    You know, you should read that documentation.

    But you don’t why? Because it may be educational, but it’s not entertaining, it’s not engaging.

    And that’s the part that is really tricky with a lot of guidance has been given about content marketing.

    There are excellent, excellent sources.

    You know, Marcus Sheridan, they ask you answer is a really good example Jay Baer is utility is really good concept.

    But both of those resources and all the contents have been created around being helpful as as a content marketing strategy doesn’t have that nuance of being entertaining and engaging.

    Right? It does, you can be 100% useful, but it’s really hard to capture attention.

    And the reason for that is because these devices present the world’s best entertainment than most engaging content and things and your content has got to at least have some of those ingredients or you’re one tap away from a better choice, right? We are not competing against our competitors, right my company trust tenocytes is not just competing against McKinsey or KPMG, or whatever another consulting firm, we’re competing against Netflix, right? We’re competing against YouTube, we’re competing against

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    Bryan Adams or Celine Dion or Aerosmith, or Metallica.

    Anything that the consumer you are spending your time on is time you’re not spending with me.

    Right? So I have to figure out how do I earn more of that time.

    And it means that I need to look at all three of those dimensions, I’ve got to figure out what those dimensions mean, for me and my content and my brand.

    How do I entertain? How do I engage? How do I educate? And how do I improve on all three dimensions, there’s certainly no shortage of gimmicks and things that you can do.

    But at the very least, you’ve got to figure out what things work for you and your brand.

    And that’s really, really difficult.

    Because a lot of the things that work for other people, especially on the entertainment angle, and even on the emotional engagement angle, they don’t work for me, right? I’m not that person, I don’t have that person’s life experience, I don’t have that person’s unique point of view on the world, I have my own.

    So a big part of making your content marketing, epic, is making yourself individually and as a brand, as an organization as a marketing organization, self aware, knowing what is within reach and what is not within reach inventorying the talents of your people.

    Right? What skills do you have outside of marketing that you can bring into your market? And can you paint? Right? This is you know, that’s not a really good example, because I did that with a water gun.

    Can you draw? Can you sing? Can you compose? What are the forms of expression that you’re really good at? And how do you bring that into your work so that a it’s more difficult to replicate and be it’s unique, right? There’s only one you even as a company, even as an organization, there’s only one of your company and the way that your marketing works, is tied to that.

    So that’s what makes content marketing epic.

    When you are fully aligned with your brand, your self, your history, who you are, and you are hitting all three E’s and you’re doing it well.

    That’s how you get to Epic Content Marketing.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Predictions for the Future of Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Predictions for the Future of Content Marketing?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “any predictions on what might happen with content marketing in the next 10 years?”

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks any predictions on what might happen with content marketing in the next 10 years? No.

    Nope.

    can’t predict that no idea.

    Absolutely no idea.

    And here’s why.

    In the last four years, natural language generation, the ability for machines to write to create content has leaped from crap to mediocre, which is a huge leap.

    It’s a big, big move.

    Until about 2018, machines could barely put words together.

    And it didn’t make sense.

    At the end, you know, they were really useless.

    And then around 2018, we started getting these transformer based models, BERT and Bart, and GPT, and so on, so on and so forth.

    That because of the their technology, the way they use embeddings, and stuff, they’re able to put together much more coherent language and create content that’s mediocre.

    They can write press releases, like nobody’s business, the business of writing press releases, is going out of business, because machines can do it better.

    Yeah, great.

    Nobody reads them, right.

    I’ve been saying for years.

    Nobody reads their child press releases before bedtime.

    Right? Nobody, unless you really want to put your kid to sleep fast.

    But we read stories to our kids all the time.

    So that’s just four years, we’ve had a quantum leap, or I should say, a big leap, because it’s not technically quanta computing.

    We had a big leap in four years.

    What’s going to happen? The next 10? Who knows? Because we’re already seeing some amazing leaps ahead in a lot of these much bigger transforming models, and how we use them, how we distill them down how we do hyper parameter tuning on them.

    We have a huge question mark.

    In technology of quantum computing, quantum computing, is a type of computing, using the principles of quantum physics that much more closely mimics how the human brain works, right? Our brains are really amazing.

    They’re these massive networks of relatively slow processors, right? That are just meshed together as huge network.

    And the processors are analog, they’re not zeros and ones, they’re graded as zero and one everything in between them, there are certain thresholds after which a processor will output something.

    That’s how nerves work your your the nerve cells in your brain.

    Quantum Computing, is starting to be able to do the same thing right now we’ve got a computer that is stable at about 100 qubits, which would be like a human brain with 100 cells.

    But as the technology improves, as we can stabilize it, we can deal with the temperature issues.

    Expect to see you know, 200 cubits 500 cubits, and then at a certain point, these machines which by the way, we operate at the speed of light, and our brains operate far below that, we’ll be able to do the kind of fuzzy thinking that the human brain is really good at that could happen in the next 10 years.

    Right.

    And if that does, that will radically change all forms of computing, because machines will then be able to think in non binary terms, they will be able to make decisions that have shades of gray, as opposed to just yes or no zero or one.

    And that would change content marketing forever, because at that point, a machine could be able to start understanding what it’s creating.

    If you look at the natural language processing models that exist today.

    They no matter how complex they are, no matter how good the content, they seem clear, they have no actual understanding, the machine does not understand what it’s saying.

    If you type in the sentence, five plus four equals right, or 22 plus 19, equals none of these machines will write one of the mathematical answers because they are not reading the texts.

    They’re not understanding what they’re saying.

    But what if you were to introduce that kind of fuzzy thinking, that becomes possible for them to start to create cognition within machinery.

    And that’s at the point where you can start getting things like artificial general intelligence machines, with sentience with sapiens.

    And then we have to have some very existential conscious conversations about humanity in general.

    But that’s that’s still ways off.

    But within the next 10 years, who knows,

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    we can look at technology itself and say that the amount of information being generated continues to increase exponentially that is true, is verifiable.

    The devices that we use to create content are getting better, faster and cheaper every single day.

    Our ability to create immersive content, now used to be an extremely expensive now you can buy a 360 degree camera off of amazon for like $500 and have a quick good results that you can use in a virtual reality headset.

    So there’s no way to know what’s going to happen in 10 years, even five years, we just don’t know.

    But what we do know is what’s not going to change.

    We know people will always want things better, faster and cheaper, right, get more pay less people always want that people always want to be educated, to be entertained, to be engaged emotionally, in the content they consume, those things are not changing.

    And if we focus on fulfilling those needs, right, we will do well.

    Consumers and content consumers have embraced mobility, right? This sort of thing, not as much because this is ugly, heavy and looks stupid.

    This is everywhere.

    Mobility first is unlikely to change.

    The form factors may change how the devices function may change.

    But the idea of having the world’s publicly available knowledge in your pocket, not going to change anytime soon.

    Right? The idea of frictionless interactions, you know, you open up your device, you swipe right and a car appears at your doorstep or groceries appear or a date appears right? These things are part and parcel of this frictionless world when and that expectation of the frictionless transaction is not going away.

    Consumers want things to be easier and easier.

    And B2B, B2C doesn’t matter.

    We all want these things.

    And we are all getting these things in some degree from this device, which means that this is the bar we have to live up to.

    And we’ve all become accustomed to thinking less.

    We have recommendation engines showing us what to read what to listen to what to watch next, what to buy.

    And those recommendations.

    We like them.

    We like them a lot.

    We still ask our friends and listen.

    And there’s still play a place for serendipity.

    But we have to think a whole lot less than we used to 10 years ago.

    Find me some new music.

    Now.

    Spotify will split up here’s eight new tracks that you might like, right? What should I watch next? Next, Netflix will tell you or YouTube will tell you.

    What should I buy next Amazon more than happy to tell you what to buy next.

    So those are the things that aren’t changing.

    And if our content marketing is aligned with these trends, then no matter what happens with it, we will be irrelevant.

    It’s only when we get away from the things that people never change on that we run into trouble.

    So that’s my non predictions for the next 10 years.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Most Important Content Marketing KPIs?

    You Ask, I Answer: Most Important Content Marketing KPIs?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “In your opinion, what are the most important or insightful data points to track to ensure that your content marketing is effective?””

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks, In your opinion, what are the most important or insightful data points to track to ensure that your content marketing is effective? Is anybody there? Anybody consuming my content? And then are people doing what we want them to do after they consume the content? Might awareness, engagement conversion? Those are the data points and what those metrics are vary on the content, right? Well, podcast is going to have some different numbers than a YouTube video is going to have some different numbers than a white paper or an ebook, or blog post or newsletter.

    They’re all gonna have different numbers.

    But those are the three big categories.

    Awareness is the first and most important with content marketing, if nobody’s reading, or watching or listening, everything else doesn’t matter.

    And while some folks will rant about the importance of vanity metrics, or how pointless they are, like how many followers you have, or how many subscribers do you have, if the number zero, you’ve got a problem, where things like vanity metrics run into trouble, of course, people think that is the goal.

    It’s not the goal, but it’s a goal on the way to a business outcome.

    And if that number is zero, nothing else matters.

    It’s it’s your standard top, middle and bottom of the funnel, what’s happening at each of these stages? And how is content playing a role in each of those stages? content has to fit intent.

    Right? There’s so there’s four basic intents, there is, I’m trying to figure out the problem is number one.

    Number two is I figured out the problem, I’m trying to figure out how to solve it, it’s to number three is I figured out the problem, I figure out how to solve and I need to figure out who I’m going to do business with.

    And number four is I bought the thing to solve my problem.

    Is it solving my problem, which is essentially, awareness, engagement, conversion and retention.

    We know these metrics, we have these metrics in every piece of marketing software that worth its salt, or you know, at least in our tech stack.

    But we don’t ever really spend a lot enough time telling the story of it along the way.

    What content you have for retention is not the content that is going to be great for awareness, right? Here’s how to use our product is very useful for retaining customers, here’s how to get the most of our product.

    If someone doesn’t even know what their problem is that content is not going to help them.

    Right, here’s a instruction manual on this video camera.

    Do and the person you know the awareness person’s like, I don’t even know if I need a video camera.

    And so those are the data points to look at.

    And then map them to the individual pieces of content.

    If you think about setting up conversions, and something like Gale, say Google Analytics.

    And you were to then map out the content that participated in each of those conversions, you should see content in different places, right? Your white paper probably shouldn’t, depending on the white papers topic.

    A white paper might not be an awareness generator, but it might be an engagement generator, who could be a conversion generator.

    But where do you intend for it to be? And here’s the part that goes wrong with all content marketing analytics.

    You don’t do anything with it.

    Seth Godin said this best if you’re not going to change what you eat, or how often you exercise don’t get on the scale.

    Right? You’re gonna you’re collecting data that is going to make you feel bad.

    And you’re not willing to change with your content marketing, if you’re measuring awareness, engagement and conversion and retention.

    If you don’t do anything different, why bother? There’s no.

    So what is my business partner and friend, Katie robear, would say, No.

    So what what are you going to do with this information? What decisions are you going to make? What actions are you going to take? If you say that your awareness numbers are low? And then that’s it, you hand off the slide and your monthly report and then you move on with your day.

    And you didn’t change what you’re doing to generate awareness, then you shouldn’t have bothered putting together in the first place.

    It was just a waste of your time.

    On the other hand, if you just measure one thing, like say, Yeah, you know what, we’re, we’re not in a position to measure engagement or conversion and retention, but I can tell you how many people I’m in front of, and you optimize the heck out of that.

    You will do well.

    There’s a lesson that my friend William Smith said, you said pick a number,

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    that it is something you have control over.

    That’s related to your your buyers journey and make it go up 8% week over week, one number that’s it, pick one number, maybe it’s new users to your website, if you can make new users to your website go up 8%, week over week, without fail.

    Everything else in the value chain will do better.

    Right? Pick one thing and figure out what levers and knobs and dials and buttons you have to manipulate to get that number to go up 8% week over week, and you will see success flow from that point.

    So that’s the, that’s the corresponding side to these data points is you’ve got to take action on them.

    And the more data points you have, and the more that you track, the more decisions you have to make.

    So if you don’t have the bandwidth, or the budget, or the people to make a bunch of decisions, then just pick one.

    And start there until your business improves enough that you have the budget to work on a second point.

    And then work on that, and so on and so forth.

    If you tried to do everything all at once, you’re going to do nothing for a very, very long time.

    It’s like having a jar of jelly with a white one spot one spoonful of jelly at the bottom and you got 100 pieces of bread? Should you try and put a tiny bit of jelly spread super thin like one atom, then across all 100 pieces of bread that can be very satisfying.

    It’s going to take a really long time.

    And by the time you’re done, it’s not going to have much of an impact.

    Or do you say you know what, we’ll put 99 pieces of bread aside and put jelly on on enough on one piece enough that I can taste it.

    Everything in content marketing is about focus, right, you can create content about everything.

    But in doing so you really create content about anything.

    On the other hand, if you create content in a focused manner, in a channel where you want to do well, like video, for example.

    And you You knock it out of the park, you will create the resources you need to do it again.

    And again.

    It’s kind of like investing, right? You could spread out 1 to 100 different banks a penny here a penny there.

    But when you think about how interest works and compounds, you’re better off putting that1 In one bank, and then figure out how do you get your next dollar.

    So that’s my caution with data around content marketing, yes, you can measure all these things and you should collect the data.

    So that’s available for you when you do want to process it later on.

    But focus on one thing and improve it, improve the daylights out of it.

    And then use the the revenue and the business impact from that to invest in the next thing one at a time.

    So that’s my answer to Brian’s question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Changes in Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Changes in Content Marketing?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “how have things changed since you started content marketing?”

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks, how have things changed since you started content marketing? Well, gosh, I mean, when doing marketing of some kind with content before it content marketing existed as a term, right? My first podcast was 2005.

    It was 934 episodes, my first website that I created to share information with people and to attract people to join a business was 1994.

    So things have changed a lot since 1994.

    Right? Things have changed a lot and almost 30 years of marketing.

    And it’s easier, I think, to focus on what hasn’t changed.

    Right? What are the things that have not changed about content marketing, people want to be educated, people want to be entertained, people want to be engaged.

    And people want things that are faster, cheaper, and better.

    Right? People want better service than ever, they want faster service than ever, and they want to pay less and less for it.

    And so we’ve seen, content marketing, and all marketing evolve along those lines, right.

    amazon.com, when you think about it really is just a giant content marketing site, right? You don’t actually get anything from the Amazon website.

    It’s just a big, big, big pile of content that you use to then buy stuff from the Amazon logistics company.

    And you know, somebody drops it off and flings it at your door.

    But the mechanism for that sale is content.

    It’s the products, the images, it’s the reviews, the stars, the ratings, whether it’s a prime item or not.

    And then the purchasing system you’re trying to make purchasing as seamless as possible.

    And Amazon’s relentless focuses on reducing friction.

    In the purchase process, how can we make it so easy to buy something that you might just buy things accidentally? Right? You have one of these smart assistants on your desk, and by accident? You yell out something in the air? And he says, Sure, I’ll buy that for you.

    What things are you doing in your content marketing that align with those trends? Right? I’m talking for a while now mobility is one of the most impactful trends of the last 30 years, right? In 2007 Steve Jobs, releasing the iPhone change how people interact with the world, right? The accurate joke is that this thing is the remote control for reality.

    Right with this device, you can swipe right and have meals and food delivered and furniture and a date and medical tests you name it.

    That’s what consumers expect.

    So how does your content marketing fit into that? Is your content marketing so easy to consume that it’s act you know, it’s so good accidentally you just summon it, or someone have to go hunt it down? Right one of the biggest mistakes that content marketers have made over the last 10 years in particular is building their content on rented land like Twitter or Facebook or LinkedIn or any of these these social media services or publishing services.

    Because you have no control over the distribution mechanism.

    And as more and more of those services have focused on advertising revenue, and delivering better and better numbers to Wall Street, our content is being seen less and less, and it’s not being delivered to our consumers, they have to go get it.

    On the other hand, if you have something like text messaging, or slack or discord or an email marketing list, you’re still able to frictionlessly deliver your content to the intended audience.

    Now, they may or may not have time to read it.

    But if your content is high enough quality, they will invest the time for it.

    But if the barrier to entry is higher than ever to get it to them.

    You’re not in alignment with the trends that consumers inspect.

    Expect consumers want stuff handed to them, right people don’t want to think and they don’t want to work.

    us especially for entertainment, especially for education.

    They want things to appear instantaneously in front of them.

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    So that’s really, if there’s anything that’s majorly changed, it’s that people no longer feel the need to go out and get content.

    Right? The, they want to be able to subscribe to a show on YouTube or subscribe to a podcast or subscribe to a newsletter, and just have it appear, like, hey, notifications appeared new thing.

    Great, I can go consume my new thing.

    As marketers, we don’t have a lot of share of mind anymore.

    We don’t, there’s too many other things competing for our audience’s attention.

    Right? When this device holds all the world’s entertainment in the palm of your hand.

    The barrier to entry for us is getting a consumer to change their behavior.

    Getting consumer to do something different to proactively go and get content, as opposed to just having it delivered to them like it was an Amazon package.

    How far do you have to go to get something from Amazon to your front door? Right? You may not even need to put clothes on.

    I mean, you should but versus having to require somebody to get up, get in the car or get on the bus or the train or whatever, and go somewhere and get the thing.

    That’s what we’ve done with content marketing, by putting it in places like you know, Facebook, where a consumer has to remember to find us to look for us.

    It’s no different than search, right? A consumer has to search for us by name.

    We’re making them do a lot of work.

    How do we get to them in a way that precludes having them work? Right? That’s there when they want us there? It’s there before they want us there just moments before? You know you’re thinking about, gosh, what am I going to have for lunch today and the email arrives, or a text message goes off? Or an app notification goes off? That says hey, order from your local Chinese restaurant today? Here’s the manual.

    Here’s the special.

    And it’s timed using AI and predictive analytics and all sorts of cool data.

    So that the moment you’re thinking about Hmm, okay, and look, here’s an option.

    And I don’t have to think like, that sounds good.

    I’ll do that instead.

    Right? That’s how you win.

    Disney is the master of that when you go to someplace like the Magic Kingdom.

    And you take the operations tour, which is really cool.

    And you see the magic behind the scenes, like when and how audio is played and how it follows you through the park and how those magic bracelets work and how even the aromas that are put into the air are calculated to encourage sales of meals and foods.

    Some people will call it a manipulation it probably is.

    But I would say that is content being delivered to the consumer matched with their expectations exactly when the consumer wants it.

    Right.

    That’s the bar we all have to meet.

    So ask yourself, how well is your content distribution aligned to what the consumer expect? Is it mobile first? Is it proactive? So the consumer doesn’t have to think? Right? And is it frictionless where the consumer doesn’t have to work to get your content? If you’re not aligned with those three trends, your content market is going to suffer

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Impact of AI on Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Impact of AI on Content Marketing?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “What sort of impact have artificial intelligence and machine learning have had on content marketing?

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks, what sort of impact have artificial intelligence and machine learning have had on content marketing? Gosh, there’s so many answers to this question.

    But they, they boiled down to three things.

    Regression classification generation.

    So first part regression analysis, AI and machine learning have done an incredible job of taking data that we collect about our content and telling us what works, right, being able to say, okay, these channels, are these tactics, or these even pieces of content have worked.

    And there are a legion of mathematical techniques that answer those questions that that can demonstrate what really works and what doesn’t and savvy marketers with good in house data teams or with the right combination of vendors and agencies can use that information to to in their efforts to say we’re going to do more of X and less of why we’re going to create more of these kinds of videos and less of these kinds, and so on and so forth.

    So that’s part one.

    Part two is classification.

    This is especially important for doing research for content marketing, we have more data to go through than ever before, right? We have more content of other people’s to try and understand even though I was in the midst of doing some topic modeling earlier, for a client, trying to figure out out of 90,000 conversations about this client on Reddit, what are the relevant topics so that we can create a content strategy around the things people are talking about? And using classification techniques to sort of bucket and sort and organize this information, because I can’t read 90,000 Reddit posts in a reasonable amount of time, remember everything in them, and then distill them down into something that I can create a strategy around, but a machine absolutely can do that.

    And then from there, I can say, Okay, well now, based on this information, what? What’s my strategy, right, so that’s part two.

    And then part three is generation.

    And this is where content marketing is going to be in a very, very interesting place in the next few years.

    Deep learning models like GPT, three, or GPT, Neo x, or any of these, these really large language models, the various models of the BERT family can create text, they can write, based on prompts they’re given, and parameters and guidelines.

    And right now, they can generate mediocre content.

    Like they can write press releases, like nobody’s business.

    And they’re coherent, they’re sensible.

    They make logical sense.

    They’re readable, but their press releases, right.

    These are not pure howitzers.

    By any means.

    And this is a big improvement from three years ago when machines wrote garbage.

    Right? They wrote a nonsensical word salad.

    In another three years, these machines can probably create good content, not great, not amazing.

    Not Pulitzer Prize winning, but a step above mediocre.

    And what’s happening in the startup field in content marketing is you’re seeing an enormous number of companies appearing that are offering these services, hey, we can generate a million blog posts for you, they will all be mediocre, and relatively uninteresting, but the hit the right combinations of words and phrases that are coherent, and average.

    One of the challenges of artificial intelligence, machine learning and marketing is that the power law curve, right? There is relatively little great content.

    In the big picture.

    There’s a whole bunch of mediocre content.

    And there’s a vast ocean of crap.

    And so when it comes to training, machine learning software and hardware on what content to create, the pool, we have to choose from the content we’d like to create great content is very, very small.

    And so a lot of these companies have trained their machines, their software, on that middle pool of mediocre content because there’s enough of it for these pieces of software to work and we are seeing with These newer models, the ability to fine tune them, to essentially use the great content to nudge them in a direction away from the pure mediocrity they were trained on.

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    But it’s going to take a while for a lot of our content generation algorithms to be able to work with the relative sparseness of great content.

    And to be able to generate it on their own.

    Think about it.

    Think about your own blog, or your own newsletter, or your own podcast or YouTube channel, whatever, how much of your content that you’ve created, would you say is great, really terrific.

    Love it is done well, big numbers.

    How much of it is okay, I got off my to do list.

    And how much it was, well, that was embarrassing.

    Let’s make sure though, no one ever sees that.

    It probably very little ladder.

    Hopefully, it was caught in the editorial process and never saw the light of day.

    But probably most of your content is in that middle bucket of I got it done, I got it off my to do list.

    Not I made something great.

    And because of that, our machines are going to struggle for a while to replicate great, because there’s just not enough examples of it.

    Which means that for you, as a marketer, you still have an opportunity to have a long and rich and fulfilling career as a content marketer if you create great content consistently and frequently.

    And if you can create great content consistently and frequently, you will remain ahead of the machines because there are not enough people like you who can make the content that these machines can learn from.

    Right.

    That’s the impact that machines have had thus far.

    They can do regression like crazy.

    They can do classification really well, and they can create mediocre content.

    And they will eventually evolve in the next few years to creating good content.

    But it will be a while before they create great content.

    So that’s the impact

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Lifetime Value of Content?

    You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Lifetime Value of Content?

    Will asks, “I’m currently thinking a lot about measuring the lifetime value of (blog) content. Curious how much you’ve looked into that and what your thoughts are on the value of that exercise.”

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    In today’s episode, we’ll ask I’m currently thinking a lot about measuring the lifetime value of blog content, curious how much you’ve looked into that and what your thoughts are on the value of that exercise.

    So lifetime value is really a is a good exercise, it’s a valuable exercise, you can look at.

    Built in measures like page value, Google Analytics, you can see what the value of any given page is, based on how many conversions it participates in, and what the value of those conversions are, where a lot of people run into trouble is because they don’t have conversions and conversion values set up, that data is not in the application, and then you don’t know how much it’s worth.

    But if you know, for example, that even in a B2B setting, if you know what the value of a marketing qualified lead is, or even a prospect is, then when you generate prospects on your digital property, you know what that’s worth, and then you put that in the system and the system goes through, and it creates those values for you those valuations for you.

    I think that’s a very valuable exercise to see what content participates the most in conversions, which is really what that tells you how this content participates the most in conversions, and therefore, you should focus on it.

    And I think that’s the part that lifetime value exercises miss is, once the software or your computation method is done, you then have to figure out well, what do we do? Like what does this information tell us? What should we do next.

    And that the two things there that computation should do is one guide you to as to improving the value of that page by optimizing it some more, right? revamping it adding more content, if it’s appropriate, doing a lot of AV testing, or multi, multi objective optimization testing on the page with tools like Google Optimize, or Optimizely, or any of the AV testing tools that are out there, and to changing up your promotion strategy, right? If you have a page, say on your blog, that has an extremely high page value much higher than all the rest of pages on your blog, that should be at the front of the line for the recommendation engine, when somebody is on your blog, and they’re reading the you might also enjoy that most valuable page should be at the top of the you might also enjoy list, right? That page or collection pages should be featured in your emails, every single issue of your email newsletter, say, hey, some additional content you might like to read and you send more traffic to those valuable pages.

    In social media posts, those are the posts, those are the pages that you share more often.

    In case you missed it in case you missed it.

    Here’s this page that we know converts at a much higher value rate.

    running ads, you should be running ads to those pages and see if the traffic numbers hold.

    That’s one of the things that we do.

    I have a piece of software that that looks at a pages conversion efficiency, how many visits does it take to that page before somebody converts.

    And when I find pages that seem very efficient, and we run some marketing campaigns to those pages, get some extra traffic to them, and see if that conversion number holds, see if it continues to convert very efficiently.

    Or if it loses that because the analysis just showed what it was doing in the background, not when it was put in the spotlight.

    But that those exercises are what the real value of these lifetime value exercises are.

    The content itself, and the exercise itself doesn’t do anything.

    It doesn’t help you.

    If you don’t do something with the information afterwards.

    I would start with the built in page value exercises, I think those are perfectly fine calculations as a starting point.

    And you don’t need to install any additional software, you just need to use Google Analytics for that.

    Then consider up leveling to the more sophisticated stuff like we use machine learning to do the computations for the pages that most frequently assist conversions.

    And then that conversion efficiency analysis.

    And those are more sophisticated analytics techniques.

    But they’re better for helping us understand like yeah, this page is just not converting.

    Right.

    And if it’s a pillar content, you know, like

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    a page about data analytics on my company’s website and is just not converting that’s conversion efficiency is very low.

    It’s it’s ranking, the most valuable Pages Report is very low, then we know we’ve got a lot of work to do to fix up that page to get it to meet the expectations of both the search engine because a lot of the times it’s less searches A strong driver of content to those pages of traffic to those pages.

    And the user does it satisfy the users intent.

    And it has been my experience that pages that have very low conversion efficiency, it’s because they don’t satisfy user intent, a user gets that page expecting one thing, it’s something else totally different, and really was not what I wanted.

    And away they go.

    So make sure that you are clear as you do the exercises, what actions you will take, and what decisions you will make, based on the information you find.

    If you don’t have that written down, if you don’t, if you are not clear about those actions, those decisions, don’t bother with the analysis.

    Because it’s just going to waste your time.

    I am a big fan of a quote by Seth Godin, who says, you know, when it comes to analytics, if you’re not going to change what you eat, or how often you exercise, don’t get on the scale, right? Because your all that number is going to do is make you feel bad.

    And you’re not going to change your behavior.

    So you can’t you’re not going to make that number better.

    Right? So if you’re in house marketing strategies and tactics and things like that are not going to adapt based on data gathered, don’t gather the data, because it’s not going to change anything.

    Right? Instead, update your LinkedIn profile because that organizations do.

    Right? If you have people who are so data resistant and so analysis resistant, that they will not make decisions, when confronted with data that is unfavorable or whatever, that organization is going nowhere.

    Right.

    Any success it has is purely luck.

    So that’s what to do with that.

    So really good question.

    Really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Intent Measurement?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Intent Measurement?

    Susan asks, “Some marketers say that clicks are not a great indicator of content performance. They say we need a tool that measures intent, what do you think?”

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    In today’s episode, Susan asks, some marketers and vendors say that clicks are not a great indicator of content performance.

    They say we need a tool that measures intent.

    What do you think? Oh, vendor recommending a tool? Gosh, I can’t imagine which which vendor they want us to select for that.

    I would agree that clicks alone aren’t necessarily a great indicator of content performance.

    Because a click really is sort of the top of the content funnel, right? If somebody clicks to a blog post on my blog, I know that they got there.

    What I don’t know is, did they read it? Right? How much of it did they read that they then go take an action of some kind implicit in that post, to do something that is a value.

    And those additional measures would indicate intent, right? If you’re on my blog, and you read a post, and you like, and you click on other posts, you may like and eventually you fill out a form, then I know that, that those metrics around that piece of content probably should be checked out to see if they correlate to the outcome I care about, which is somebody filling out a form.

    So the way that you do this, is you take all of the metrics that you have clicks, scroll depth, time, on page bounce rate, all the content metrics that you know, and love.

    And then you line them up at a really big table by day.

    And then you line up a marketing objective, some kind of quantified goal or conversion in that same table.

    And then you do the math, you do a regression analysis and say what variables which variables alone or in combination have a statistical relationship with the outcome we care about, it might be a bounce rate of 25% or less, it might be clicks, it might be scroll depth, 80% or more.

    Whatever the thing is, whatever the the metric combination is, you correlate it to the outcome you care about, and then you test it, right? So if you find out that time on page has to equal two minutes or more, well then start writing longer content, right? If you get people spend longer on the page, do you then see a commensurate increase in the number of conversions? If the answer is yes, if it’s proportional, then you know, you found a causation, right? You’ve said you know that longer content keeps someone on page longer, you keep them on page longer, they’re more likely to convert, that’s a causative trace that you’ve done.

    If on the other hand, you take your blog posts that were you know, 200 words, you made them all 1200 words, everyone’s bored of them, frankly.

    And you see time on page go up, but you don’t see conversions go up, then you know that in that initial analysis, you had a correlation, but not necessarily causation.

    And now in order to do this, you have to have an analytical infrastructure that supports a lot of these metrics.

    That means using tools like Google Tag Manager, or Adobe Tag Manager using tools like Google Analytics, or Adobe analytics, and or the matomo, or plausible, or any of these analytics tools, and you’ve got to have all the different measures set up like scroll depth, for example, just how far down a page somebody has read time on page, average time per session, how many pages per session, all these different metrics, you need to make sure are configured and setup in things like Tag Manager in things like Google Analytics, so that you can run the analysis later on.

    If you don’t have those metrics set up, you need to do that first.

    Right.

    And then as with almost everything in web analytics, especially, you got to wait some time, because those measures are never ever retroactive.

    They only call the start collecting data the day you turn them on.

    Once you’ve done that, then you do the math.

    And you say, Okay, well, what is the outcome we care about? Is it leads is it form fills? Is it context, a schedule a demo? Book, a free trial, you know, rent our timeshare? Whatever the outcome is? Do you have that data collected? And is it is it in a format that you can analyze?

    Christopher Penn 4:31

    There has been a lot of work done with trying to discern intent.

    And you can you can break down intent, very much like a funnel, right? Somebody goes from general awareness to knowing this problem, but not knowing what the solution is doing a problem knowing there’s a generic solution.

    And then knowing there’s a problem knowing there’s a generic solution, then I don’t know if there’s a specific solution, which ideally is your company, that progression of intent.

    It’s Something that you want to measure.

    When you think about it, all the different metrics that we have access to probably fall into different buckets within that, that operational funnel, right, somebody who’s just browsing who may be is the early stages of understanding the problem they have, but not necessarily in the market for a solution, and certainly not wanting to talk to one of your sales folks.

    Their content metrics might be different, for example, time on page, their time on page might be really long, because they’re trying to learn about the issue.

    On the other hand, somebody who’s figured out the problem, figured out the solution and knows you are the solution, their time on page might be really short, right? They know the person who’s trying to understand the problem, I spent 15 minutes reading a blog post, the person who knows that they want to hire, you might spend two seconds on a blog post, because they just scroll down to find the contact us form, hit that form and fill it out.

    And so even the content intent metrics that you have may need to be broken out based on the sort of that lifecycle of where the customer is in their journey, and then appropriately analyzed for each stage of the journey.

    That’s not something that’s super easy to do that requires a lot of crunching numbers, advanced maths and coding.

    It’s not something that any analytics tool on the market does out of the box, at least not to my knowledge.

    If you do know of one, leave, leave a note in the comments, let me know.

    But that’s how you would approach the path of trying to understand what metrics are good indicators of content performance.

    And I will caution you that just because something is a good measure on an industry study, or white paper does not necessarily mean it’s right for your audience, your audience may be different than the collective as a whole.

    Right? If you take toy makers, in aggregate, for who make toys for girls, and then you have Hasbro in there with my little pony is in there.

    There’s this whole subculture is a Netflix special about bronies, men 26 to 40, who are really into My Little Pony, that audience, I guarantee you behaves differently than eight to 14 year old girls, I guarantee they behave differently, they buy more, they consume content differently.

    Their intent is different.

    And so an industry study about what eight to 14 year old girls likes in toys, probably is not going to be super helpful if if you’re Hasbro and you’ve got bronies in your in your stable of customers.

    So you need to figure out of all the content marketing metrics that are available, which ones matter to your audience specifically means getting to know your audience, too.

    So that’s what I would say.

    Last thing I’d say is, if a vendor that makes content intent tools is telling you that existing tools are not great indicators.

    Take that with a grain of salt.

    And by a grain of salt, I mean, like a 40 pound bag, which is like what 20 kilograms.

    They very clearly have an interest in selling you their software.

    And so they’re going to position everything that exists as insufficient, and only their software will solve the problem for you.

    That’s been my experience with a lot of vendors.

    And it’s simply not true.

    Now, if their software does this level of analysis, great, maybe it’s a good fit.

    But if they just say well use our proprietary measurement system, then it’s, it’s our right and our need to push back and say, Great, I’m going to take that measure and do the same analysis as to do with all these other measures.

    And we’re going to find out if your tool is actually effective enough or not for our audience.

    And if it’s not effective, then guess what, we’re probably not going to buy it.

    So as you negotiate with vendors, if you’ve got the analytical chops to do this kind of analysis, put them to the test, right? See if they’re willing to submit their data for analysis, in the same way that you’ve analyzed all your other content intent metrics, and see how the tool performs.

    It’s usually never you never get to that stage because usually the vendor just bails out.

    So a good question, complicated question.

    But thank you for asking.

    I’ll talk to you soon.

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  • Mind Readings: Content Sparks

    Mind Readings: Content Sparks

    In this episode of Mind Readings, some thoughts about our cadence of marketing and how it’s like striking a flint onto tinder to light a fire.

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    In today’s mind reading, I had a thought the other day about sparks and fire.

    Let’s say you’re trying to start a fire and you’ve got your Tinder and your kindling and your your wood and you’re ready to go.

    How are you going to start that fire? What’s? What’s the easiest way to start that fire? Suppose you have something like a flint and Tinder, right? You have a knife and little stone you scrape against that and you get some sparks to fly onto your Tinder how successful will you be? If you take out your knife, right? And you strike your your Flint once you get a few sparks to land on on your Tinder? Not very, I mean, you might get lucky, you might starve a little bit of a fire.

    But on the other hand, if you can’t, if you have a, you know, Tinder and you’re just repeatedly Whack, whack, whack getting lots and lots of sparks.

    How quickly will you start a fire much more quickly, right? The more you strike your Flint, the more sparks you throw.

    As long as they’re hot, the more likely it is you’ll get a fire started.

    A product Okay, great, cool.

    I don’t know how to start a fire.

    What does this have to do with anything? When we think about our marketing, our content are the sparks.

    Now, if they’re terrible, it’s terrible content, right? Like I have something here is inert like a fork instead of an actual Flint.

    And I’m striking it nothing’s happening, right? Nothing’s happening, because it’s terrible.

    And it just like if you have a terrible content, no matter how often you strike, or how hard strike and if it’s terrible content, you get no sparks, right? Nothing happens.

    But assume that you have good content, which I know is a stretch.

    Assume you have good content.

    It’s something people want.

    It’s something that people were happy to receive.

    How much content should you create? How many formats every time you publish a piece of content, it is this.

    Right? So if you have a monthly newsletter, then once a month, you get a chance to throw some sparks.

    Maybe it catches some people’s attention.

    Well, if you have a weekly newsletter, once a week, for a month, four to five opportunities.

    You’re throwing more sparks.

    And then you have a daily blog post.

    You have some posts on social media.

    I have content on your YouTube channel.

    Right and you have conferences and trade shows.

    You have a podcast, maybe two podcasts, and you have little snippets that you take from that and put it on Instagram, and on tick tock.

    You see what I’m getting with this content or sparks? Right and as long as it’s good.

    Then every single time you publish every time you put something out there you give people a chance to interact with you if you’re creating an opportunity to possibly light something on fire.

    We are in a unprecedented deficit of attention.

    Think about just these four names Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Disney Plus, these four services occupied the eyes and ears of like 90% of our customers.

    Think about these names, Spotify, Apple Music.

    Again, Amazon Prime music all these services occupy the ears like 90% of our customers.

    So much attention is being vacuumed up that if we just have a monthly newsletter and that’s it.

    Even if it’s really great.

    It’s not a lot of sparks.

    We’re not throwing a lot of sparks out there and as a result, things aren’t catching on fire.

    If you can increase the cadence of your content while maintaining Quality or improving quality, if that’s the caveat, if you can increase the canes while keeping the quality the same or better, then you’re putting more sparks out there giving people more to react to that,

    Christopher Penn 5:14

    in turn creates opportunities for more conversions.

    sales folks know this.

    The more times that a salesperson picks up the phone and dials or sends an email something, the more likely it is, they will eventually get some kind of response, even if the response is please stop calling me.

    As opposed as being ignored.

    We have to do the same thing with our content with our marketing.

    If it’s good if it’s helpful, if it’s educational, if it’s entertaining, the more we publish, the more we give someone a chance to react to us.

    Look at your open rates for your newsletter.

    Look at your click through rates.

    Look at your impressions and engagements on social media and the monitoring tool, your choice.

    Go look in Google Search Console for impressions and clicks.

    And you will see how little attention you get.

    I was looking at Twitter the other day and like, my average tweet gets something like 2000 3000 impressions out of 95,000 followers, right? It’s terrible.

    And it doesn’t, there doesn’t seem to be a difference.

    When I look how often I publish my publishing on one tweet a day or five tweets, wait a day, on average, it works out to about 2000 impressions in a given time.

    But they’re not the same 2000 people are different, because the way algorithms work and they select you know, based on topics and keywords and stuff.

    So if I can create more content, more stuff, more opportunities for people to see and hear what I’m saying as long as it’s valuable, I get a greater chance of interacting with other people.

    And I get a better chance of earning attention.

    So give that some thought.

    We’re at a point now, in the attention game, where any scrap of attention you’ve got is valuable.

    You need to hold on to it and create more and more and more opportunities for people to give you their attention by handing them the value that they they’re looking for.

    So give that some thought.

    And thanks for watching.

    I appreciate your attention.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Most Effective Content Modalities?

    You Ask, I Answer: Most Effective Content Modalities?

    Donna asks, “How do you know which content modality (video, ebook, blog post) performs best?”

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    In today’s episode, Donna asks, How do you know which modality which content modality like videos, ebooks, blog posts that are performed best? Well, the answer to this question depends on the amount of effort and governance and technical skill that you have.

    And there’s three different answers.

    So let’s go through these answers in order, the easiest way to make this determination for content that lives on your website.

    And that’s what you’re measuring, is to look in Google Analytics.

    If you have done a good job of setting up properly, and you have goals and goal values set up, then when you look inside Google Analytics, you can look at things like page value as a measure to see okay, how much economic value has any individual URL on your website, given that number is inferred Google Analytics does it with a particular type of machine learning, and will tell you very quickly what a URL is worth.

    Now, if you’ve done a good job with your governance, meaning, you have a list of URLs, and you know what kinds of content types, they are like, this pile of URLs or blog posts, this type of pile is podcast cetera, then even in just Microsoft Excel, you could do a VLOOKUP, between the goals and goal values by page from Google Analytics, and the content types from your governance.

    And very quickly classify which type of content has driven the most economic value, you can, if you want to get fancy do do the same thing with like Markov chain models and stuff to do a more thorough content attribution model.

    But just that basic, as long as that data is there is good enough to get a sense of what content is or is not working.

    So that’s, that’s number one.

    Number two, is if you’re trying to measure the performance of content that is not on your site, such as YouTube, or a podcast in the Apple Store, or things like that, you have to use a more sophisticated model.

    What you would need to do is export from Google Analytics, again, your sessions and goal completions and things by day, along with all the different source and medium combinations.

    And then you would need day level data from all your media channels, like number of YouTube visits per day, number of YouTube likes per day, number of Facebook likes per day, number of Twitter likes per day, and so on and so forth.

    And those would be by content types of videos, you post it on Instagram videos, you post it on YouTube videos, you post it on Tik Tok, and you’ll create this massive spreadsheet of all this different stuff.

    And then you’ll pick an objective from that spreadsheet, could be Google Analytics conversions, could be sessions could be data further down the funnel if you have it.

    And then using a statistical technique called multiple regression, you will have machines assist you in figuring out which combination of variables have the strongest mathematical correlation to the outcome that you’ve chosen.

    So if you choose website traffic, for example, then it would look at all these different combinations and say this combination of variables indicates that there is a relationship between the activities and the content types by their metrics and the the outcome that you care about.

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    From then you have to build a testing plan, because you’ve established with that technique correlation, but you have not established causation, you cannot say for sure that these other variables cause an increase in the outcome you care about.

    But if it says for example, that YouTube videos, views are highly correlated with the outcome you care about, then you could say, Okay, well, if I get more views by maybe running some ads, or just publishing more videos or trying different things on YouTube, if I get more views do I see a commensurate increase in the outcome I care about so much 50% More views? Do I get 50% more conversions? You would run that test over a period of time and then establish yet either yes, that’s true and that you can prove a causal relationship, or no, it’s just correlative, and there’s no causation or could even be reverse causation.

    So that’s step two.

    Step three requires no computational stuff.

    But it does require a lot of effort.

    And step three is very simple.

    At every point of intake, ask people, How did you hear about us? Or what made you come in today or things like that.

    And depending on the kind of business you have, that could be a fairly extensive effort.

    It could mean things like cashiers asking that or front door greeters asking that and recording the answers and submitting them.

    Now, obviously, if you’re an online business, it’s a lot easier because you can just put a field in a plain text field in a form says, what made you shop with us today or something like that? And then, in those answers, you’ve got to look inside and say, Okay, well, how often does YouTube show up? How often does a podcast show? How often does an e book show up? In those answers of how do you hear about us? If the answer is never for any of them, then you have a good sense that your various content modalities are not working? Right.

    On the other hand, if you see that your YouTube series is half the time, then you know, that’s really working for us.

    Let’s Let’s keep doing that.

    The reason I put that one at the end is because it is a lot of effort.

    And depending on the kind of business you have, it’s a lot of effort from a lot of people, right? Because even if you have an online portion to a brick and mortar store, the people who come in from the brick and mortar store may be behaving differently than the people who come in online.

    So you can’t just use online data for a store that is both online and brick and mortar, you want to be asking across the company across the different touchpoints with the customer to understand, yes, this is this the effect these channels have all over, for example, someone could see your stuff online, say on Twitter, and react online.

    Someone might see your stuff on YouTube.

    And then the next time they’re out and about, they might visit your store.

    And so that’d be a different audience.

    It’s a different audience, that content modality would work differently for one group than the other.

    And that’s why that third option, even though it seems simple, and is simple, it’s not easy.

    It requires a lot of effort on your part to put the answers together.

    But that’s how you determine content modalities and their effectiveness.

    It’s it’s straightforward requires a lot of processing.

    But the answers will help illuminate what you should do less and more of So great question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Does Gated Content Work?

    You Ask, I Answer: Does Gated Content Work?

    Darren asks, “Does gated content work?”

    Well… it depends.

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    In today’s episode, Darrin asks, Does gated content work? Well, that’s a bit of a broad question.

    It depends.

    It depends on what you what the word work means.

    Does gated content drive conversions? Sure.

    But there’s a lot of considerations that go into even whether to gate your content or not.

    Fundamentally, gated content is a transaction.

    It’s a sale, it’s just not a sale that may not may not involve money exchanging ends, but it absolutely is a transaction.

    Me the audience member sees a form.

    And I have to do the same Calculus I would do for any purchase, I look at it and go, What am I going to give up? And what am I going to get in return? Right? It’s a simple ROI computation, what am I going to invest? Was my return on investment.

    Because I know as a consumer, the moment I fill out that form, assuming I put into information, which I may not, I’m going to get pestered.

    Right, salespeople are going to call me they’re going to email me they’re gonna direct message me on social networks, they’re gonna go chase me down the street.

    Maybe not that last part.

    And I know there’s a lot of annoyance, there’s a lot of emotional cost to filling out that form.

    So the question is, what am I getting in return for that emotional cost? And if the value is not apparent, based on looking at the form, I may not fill it out, right.

    So your gated content may not work? If I as the consumer see that there’s negative return on investment, I look at this thing and go, ah, you know, it’s not worth it.

    You know, I don’t need this information that badly.

    On the other hand, if the gated content is so valuable information I can’t get anywhere else, it’s something I’m going to learn that is so important.

    I’d be like, You know what, it’s worth it, I can put up with it.

    Maybe I’ll put in fake information in the forum or something like that.

    But I know that there’s a value exchange, right.

    And so as a consumer, I would say, Yeah, I’ll hold my nose and fill out the form, knowing what’s going to happen.

    So from a consumers perspective, gated content may or may not be worth it based on our own mental and emotional computations of return on investment.

    Now, for the business side of things.

    As a marketer, I have to decide when to gate not to gate content, and that plays a big role in whether gated content works on if you get content that doesn’t pass the consumers return on investment calculation, you absolutely will not work, right, it will be a dud.

    If you only get the things that have high return on investment for the consumer, gated content works just fine.

    And so one of the things that you need to do as a marketer is do your own ROI computation, how much did you invest in the content? And how much of a return do you need to show on that investment in order to justify it? So let’s say you have a blog post write a blog post probably didn’t require a ton of investment.

    And so you’re not expecting a huge return or you’re expecting a return that is in a form of value that you’re okay with such as just traffic, right? Maybe you’re not trying to measure conversions right on that blog post, and you’re trying to drive traffic? Well, in that case, your return on your investment is solid is positive.

    So based on that, you’d say I’m not going to get these blog posts.

    On the other hand, if you put together a white paper, and that white paper is something like you know, 100,000 words and research and all this stuff, and you paid 10 grand have a team of editors and photographers put this thing together.

    That’s a big investment.

    I hope there’s value in it for the consumer, but that’s a big investment.

    And so as a marketer, you would have to demonstrate to your, the powers that be that there’s a return on that investment.

    And so that’s a piece of content you probably should gate if you need to show a high economic return, gated content would be the way to go.

    So, what you can see here from this list scription of these two different ROI models is that it’s not a question of whether or not to get content is a question of the return on investment, you have to demonstrate, and the return on investment that the consumer sees for themselves.

    When gated content doesn’t work, it means that you’ve got negative return on investment in one of those places, right.

    As a marketer, if you are creating content and you’re not seeing a return on it, then you’re probably not using gating appropriately.

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    Or you’re the content you’re creating the consumer perceived no value for, as you know, when you’re presenting to the consumer.

    Again, your content has to have such value, that they are willing to invest their emotional in not annoyance, and what they know is going to happen, the moment they fill out that form, and they’re going to get spammed by eight sales guys, and get called at all hours of the day.

    They the consumer has to say, it’s worth it to get the value from this piece of content.

    And so those two models will determine whether or not a consumer does engage with gated content.

    And that in turn dictates whether gated content will work for your business or not.

    Again, I can’t answer that in an absolute term.

    That’s a computation you have to do internally.

    But that would be my suggestion for how do you decide whether gated content is the right choice for any given piece of content? And then what is the likelihood that you’re going to be able to demonstrate that gated content does or does not work? So great question.

    Darren, thanks for asking.

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