Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Content Marketing

  • You Ask, I Answer: Impact of AI on Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Impact of AI on Content Marketing?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “What sort of impact have artificial intelligence and machine learning have had on content marketing?

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks, what sort of impact have artificial intelligence and machine learning have had on content marketing? Gosh, there’s so many answers to this question.

    But they, they boiled down to three things.

    Regression classification generation.

    So first part regression analysis, AI and machine learning have done an incredible job of taking data that we collect about our content and telling us what works, right, being able to say, okay, these channels, are these tactics, or these even pieces of content have worked.

    And there are a legion of mathematical techniques that answer those questions that that can demonstrate what really works and what doesn’t and savvy marketers with good in house data teams or with the right combination of vendors and agencies can use that information to to in their efforts to say we’re going to do more of X and less of why we’re going to create more of these kinds of videos and less of these kinds, and so on and so forth.

    So that’s part one.

    Part two is classification.

    This is especially important for doing research for content marketing, we have more data to go through than ever before, right? We have more content of other people’s to try and understand even though I was in the midst of doing some topic modeling earlier, for a client, trying to figure out out of 90,000 conversations about this client on Reddit, what are the relevant topics so that we can create a content strategy around the things people are talking about? And using classification techniques to sort of bucket and sort and organize this information, because I can’t read 90,000 Reddit posts in a reasonable amount of time, remember everything in them, and then distill them down into something that I can create a strategy around, but a machine absolutely can do that.

    And then from there, I can say, Okay, well now, based on this information, what? What’s my strategy, right, so that’s part two.

    And then part three is generation.

    And this is where content marketing is going to be in a very, very interesting place in the next few years.

    Deep learning models like GPT, three, or GPT, Neo x, or any of these, these really large language models, the various models of the BERT family can create text, they can write, based on prompts they’re given, and parameters and guidelines.

    And right now, they can generate mediocre content.

    Like they can write press releases, like nobody’s business.

    And they’re coherent, they’re sensible.

    They make logical sense.

    They’re readable, but their press releases, right.

    These are not pure howitzers.

    By any means.

    And this is a big improvement from three years ago when machines wrote garbage.

    Right? They wrote a nonsensical word salad.

    In another three years, these machines can probably create good content, not great, not amazing.

    Not Pulitzer Prize winning, but a step above mediocre.

    And what’s happening in the startup field in content marketing is you’re seeing an enormous number of companies appearing that are offering these services, hey, we can generate a million blog posts for you, they will all be mediocre, and relatively uninteresting, but the hit the right combinations of words and phrases that are coherent, and average.

    One of the challenges of artificial intelligence, machine learning and marketing is that the power law curve, right? There is relatively little great content.

    In the big picture.

    There’s a whole bunch of mediocre content.

    And there’s a vast ocean of crap.

    And so when it comes to training, machine learning software and hardware on what content to create, the pool, we have to choose from the content we’d like to create great content is very, very small.

    And so a lot of these companies have trained their machines, their software, on that middle pool of mediocre content because there’s enough of it for these pieces of software to work and we are seeing with These newer models, the ability to fine tune them, to essentially use the great content to nudge them in a direction away from the pure mediocrity they were trained on.

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    But it’s going to take a while for a lot of our content generation algorithms to be able to work with the relative sparseness of great content.

    And to be able to generate it on their own.

    Think about it.

    Think about your own blog, or your own newsletter, or your own podcast or YouTube channel, whatever, how much of your content that you’ve created, would you say is great, really terrific.

    Love it is done well, big numbers.

    How much of it is okay, I got off my to do list.

    And how much it was, well, that was embarrassing.

    Let’s make sure though, no one ever sees that.

    It probably very little ladder.

    Hopefully, it was caught in the editorial process and never saw the light of day.

    But probably most of your content is in that middle bucket of I got it done, I got it off my to do list.

    Not I made something great.

    And because of that, our machines are going to struggle for a while to replicate great, because there’s just not enough examples of it.

    Which means that for you, as a marketer, you still have an opportunity to have a long and rich and fulfilling career as a content marketer if you create great content consistently and frequently.

    And if you can create great content consistently and frequently, you will remain ahead of the machines because there are not enough people like you who can make the content that these machines can learn from.

    Right.

    That’s the impact that machines have had thus far.

    They can do regression like crazy.

    They can do classification really well, and they can create mediocre content.

    And they will eventually evolve in the next few years to creating good content.

    But it will be a while before they create great content.

    So that’s the impact

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Lifetime Value of Content?

    You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Lifetime Value of Content?

    Will asks, “I’m currently thinking a lot about measuring the lifetime value of (blog) content. Curious how much you’ve looked into that and what your thoughts are on the value of that exercise.”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In today’s episode, we’ll ask I’m currently thinking a lot about measuring the lifetime value of blog content, curious how much you’ve looked into that and what your thoughts are on the value of that exercise.

    So lifetime value is really a is a good exercise, it’s a valuable exercise, you can look at.

    Built in measures like page value, Google Analytics, you can see what the value of any given page is, based on how many conversions it participates in, and what the value of those conversions are, where a lot of people run into trouble is because they don’t have conversions and conversion values set up, that data is not in the application, and then you don’t know how much it’s worth.

    But if you know, for example, that even in a B2B setting, if you know what the value of a marketing qualified lead is, or even a prospect is, then when you generate prospects on your digital property, you know what that’s worth, and then you put that in the system and the system goes through, and it creates those values for you those valuations for you.

    I think that’s a very valuable exercise to see what content participates the most in conversions, which is really what that tells you how this content participates the most in conversions, and therefore, you should focus on it.

    And I think that’s the part that lifetime value exercises miss is, once the software or your computation method is done, you then have to figure out well, what do we do? Like what does this information tell us? What should we do next.

    And that the two things there that computation should do is one guide you to as to improving the value of that page by optimizing it some more, right? revamping it adding more content, if it’s appropriate, doing a lot of AV testing, or multi, multi objective optimization testing on the page with tools like Google Optimize, or Optimizely, or any of the AV testing tools that are out there, and to changing up your promotion strategy, right? If you have a page, say on your blog, that has an extremely high page value much higher than all the rest of pages on your blog, that should be at the front of the line for the recommendation engine, when somebody is on your blog, and they’re reading the you might also enjoy that most valuable page should be at the top of the you might also enjoy list, right? That page or collection pages should be featured in your emails, every single issue of your email newsletter, say, hey, some additional content you might like to read and you send more traffic to those valuable pages.

    In social media posts, those are the posts, those are the pages that you share more often.

    In case you missed it in case you missed it.

    Here’s this page that we know converts at a much higher value rate.

    running ads, you should be running ads to those pages and see if the traffic numbers hold.

    That’s one of the things that we do.

    I have a piece of software that that looks at a pages conversion efficiency, how many visits does it take to that page before somebody converts.

    And when I find pages that seem very efficient, and we run some marketing campaigns to those pages, get some extra traffic to them, and see if that conversion number holds, see if it continues to convert very efficiently.

    Or if it loses that because the analysis just showed what it was doing in the background, not when it was put in the spotlight.

    But that those exercises are what the real value of these lifetime value exercises are.

    The content itself, and the exercise itself doesn’t do anything.

    It doesn’t help you.

    If you don’t do something with the information afterwards.

    I would start with the built in page value exercises, I think those are perfectly fine calculations as a starting point.

    And you don’t need to install any additional software, you just need to use Google Analytics for that.

    Then consider up leveling to the more sophisticated stuff like we use machine learning to do the computations for the pages that most frequently assist conversions.

    And then that conversion efficiency analysis.

    And those are more sophisticated analytics techniques.

    But they’re better for helping us understand like yeah, this page is just not converting.

    Right.

    And if it’s a pillar content, you know, like

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    a page about data analytics on my company’s website and is just not converting that’s conversion efficiency is very low.

    It’s it’s ranking, the most valuable Pages Report is very low, then we know we’ve got a lot of work to do to fix up that page to get it to meet the expectations of both the search engine because a lot of the times it’s less searches A strong driver of content to those pages of traffic to those pages.

    And the user does it satisfy the users intent.

    And it has been my experience that pages that have very low conversion efficiency, it’s because they don’t satisfy user intent, a user gets that page expecting one thing, it’s something else totally different, and really was not what I wanted.

    And away they go.

    So make sure that you are clear as you do the exercises, what actions you will take, and what decisions you will make, based on the information you find.

    If you don’t have that written down, if you don’t, if you are not clear about those actions, those decisions, don’t bother with the analysis.

    Because it’s just going to waste your time.

    I am a big fan of a quote by Seth Godin, who says, you know, when it comes to analytics, if you’re not going to change what you eat, or how often you exercise, don’t get on the scale, right? Because your all that number is going to do is make you feel bad.

    And you’re not going to change your behavior.

    So you can’t you’re not going to make that number better.

    Right? So if you’re in house marketing strategies and tactics and things like that are not going to adapt based on data gathered, don’t gather the data, because it’s not going to change anything.

    Right? Instead, update your LinkedIn profile because that organizations do.

    Right? If you have people who are so data resistant and so analysis resistant, that they will not make decisions, when confronted with data that is unfavorable or whatever, that organization is going nowhere.

    Right.

    Any success it has is purely luck.

    So that’s what to do with that.

    So really good question.

    Really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Intent Measurement?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Intent Measurement?

    Susan asks, “Some marketers say that clicks are not a great indicator of content performance. They say we need a tool that measures intent, what do you think?”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In today’s episode, Susan asks, some marketers and vendors say that clicks are not a great indicator of content performance.

    They say we need a tool that measures intent.

    What do you think? Oh, vendor recommending a tool? Gosh, I can’t imagine which which vendor they want us to select for that.

    I would agree that clicks alone aren’t necessarily a great indicator of content performance.

    Because a click really is sort of the top of the content funnel, right? If somebody clicks to a blog post on my blog, I know that they got there.

    What I don’t know is, did they read it? Right? How much of it did they read that they then go take an action of some kind implicit in that post, to do something that is a value.

    And those additional measures would indicate intent, right? If you’re on my blog, and you read a post, and you like, and you click on other posts, you may like and eventually you fill out a form, then I know that, that those metrics around that piece of content probably should be checked out to see if they correlate to the outcome I care about, which is somebody filling out a form.

    So the way that you do this, is you take all of the metrics that you have clicks, scroll depth, time, on page bounce rate, all the content metrics that you know, and love.

    And then you line them up at a really big table by day.

    And then you line up a marketing objective, some kind of quantified goal or conversion in that same table.

    And then you do the math, you do a regression analysis and say what variables which variables alone or in combination have a statistical relationship with the outcome we care about, it might be a bounce rate of 25% or less, it might be clicks, it might be scroll depth, 80% or more.

    Whatever the thing is, whatever the the metric combination is, you correlate it to the outcome you care about, and then you test it, right? So if you find out that time on page has to equal two minutes or more, well then start writing longer content, right? If you get people spend longer on the page, do you then see a commensurate increase in the number of conversions? If the answer is yes, if it’s proportional, then you know, you found a causation, right? You’ve said you know that longer content keeps someone on page longer, you keep them on page longer, they’re more likely to convert, that’s a causative trace that you’ve done.

    If on the other hand, you take your blog posts that were you know, 200 words, you made them all 1200 words, everyone’s bored of them, frankly.

    And you see time on page go up, but you don’t see conversions go up, then you know that in that initial analysis, you had a correlation, but not necessarily causation.

    And now in order to do this, you have to have an analytical infrastructure that supports a lot of these metrics.

    That means using tools like Google Tag Manager, or Adobe Tag Manager using tools like Google Analytics, or Adobe analytics, and or the matomo, or plausible, or any of these analytics tools, and you’ve got to have all the different measures set up like scroll depth, for example, just how far down a page somebody has read time on page, average time per session, how many pages per session, all these different metrics, you need to make sure are configured and setup in things like Tag Manager in things like Google Analytics, so that you can run the analysis later on.

    If you don’t have those metrics set up, you need to do that first.

    Right.

    And then as with almost everything in web analytics, especially, you got to wait some time, because those measures are never ever retroactive.

    They only call the start collecting data the day you turn them on.

    Once you’ve done that, then you do the math.

    And you say, Okay, well, what is the outcome we care about? Is it leads is it form fills? Is it context, a schedule a demo? Book, a free trial, you know, rent our timeshare? Whatever the outcome is? Do you have that data collected? And is it is it in a format that you can analyze?

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    There has been a lot of work done with trying to discern intent.

    And you can you can break down intent, very much like a funnel, right? Somebody goes from general awareness to knowing this problem, but not knowing what the solution is doing a problem knowing there’s a generic solution.

    And then knowing there’s a problem knowing there’s a generic solution, then I don’t know if there’s a specific solution, which ideally is your company, that progression of intent.

    It’s Something that you want to measure.

    When you think about it, all the different metrics that we have access to probably fall into different buckets within that, that operational funnel, right, somebody who’s just browsing who may be is the early stages of understanding the problem they have, but not necessarily in the market for a solution, and certainly not wanting to talk to one of your sales folks.

    Their content metrics might be different, for example, time on page, their time on page might be really long, because they’re trying to learn about the issue.

    On the other hand, somebody who’s figured out the problem, figured out the solution and knows you are the solution, their time on page might be really short, right? They know the person who’s trying to understand the problem, I spent 15 minutes reading a blog post, the person who knows that they want to hire, you might spend two seconds on a blog post, because they just scroll down to find the contact us form, hit that form and fill it out.

    And so even the content intent metrics that you have may need to be broken out based on the sort of that lifecycle of where the customer is in their journey, and then appropriately analyzed for each stage of the journey.

    That’s not something that’s super easy to do that requires a lot of crunching numbers, advanced maths and coding.

    It’s not something that any analytics tool on the market does out of the box, at least not to my knowledge.

    If you do know of one, leave, leave a note in the comments, let me know.

    But that’s how you would approach the path of trying to understand what metrics are good indicators of content performance.

    And I will caution you that just because something is a good measure on an industry study, or white paper does not necessarily mean it’s right for your audience, your audience may be different than the collective as a whole.

    Right? If you take toy makers, in aggregate, for who make toys for girls, and then you have Hasbro in there with my little pony is in there.

    There’s this whole subculture is a Netflix special about bronies, men 26 to 40, who are really into My Little Pony, that audience, I guarantee you behaves differently than eight to 14 year old girls, I guarantee they behave differently, they buy more, they consume content differently.

    Their intent is different.

    And so an industry study about what eight to 14 year old girls likes in toys, probably is not going to be super helpful if if you’re Hasbro and you’ve got bronies in your in your stable of customers.

    So you need to figure out of all the content marketing metrics that are available, which ones matter to your audience specifically means getting to know your audience, too.

    So that’s what I would say.

    Last thing I’d say is, if a vendor that makes content intent tools is telling you that existing tools are not great indicators.

    Take that with a grain of salt.

    And by a grain of salt, I mean, like a 40 pound bag, which is like what 20 kilograms.

    They very clearly have an interest in selling you their software.

    And so they’re going to position everything that exists as insufficient, and only their software will solve the problem for you.

    That’s been my experience with a lot of vendors.

    And it’s simply not true.

    Now, if their software does this level of analysis, great, maybe it’s a good fit.

    But if they just say well use our proprietary measurement system, then it’s, it’s our right and our need to push back and say, Great, I’m going to take that measure and do the same analysis as to do with all these other measures.

    And we’re going to find out if your tool is actually effective enough or not for our audience.

    And if it’s not effective, then guess what, we’re probably not going to buy it.

    So as you negotiate with vendors, if you’ve got the analytical chops to do this kind of analysis, put them to the test, right? See if they’re willing to submit their data for analysis, in the same way that you’ve analyzed all your other content intent metrics, and see how the tool performs.

    It’s usually never you never get to that stage because usually the vendor just bails out.

    So a good question, complicated question.

    But thank you for asking.

    I’ll talk to you soon.

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  • Mind Readings: Content Sparks

    Mind Readings: Content Sparks

    In this episode of Mind Readings, some thoughts about our cadence of marketing and how it’s like striking a flint onto tinder to light a fire.

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    In today’s mind reading, I had a thought the other day about sparks and fire.

    Let’s say you’re trying to start a fire and you’ve got your Tinder and your kindling and your your wood and you’re ready to go.

    How are you going to start that fire? What’s? What’s the easiest way to start that fire? Suppose you have something like a flint and Tinder, right? You have a knife and little stone you scrape against that and you get some sparks to fly onto your Tinder how successful will you be? If you take out your knife, right? And you strike your your Flint once you get a few sparks to land on on your Tinder? Not very, I mean, you might get lucky, you might starve a little bit of a fire.

    But on the other hand, if you can’t, if you have a, you know, Tinder and you’re just repeatedly Whack, whack, whack getting lots and lots of sparks.

    How quickly will you start a fire much more quickly, right? The more you strike your Flint, the more sparks you throw.

    As long as they’re hot, the more likely it is you’ll get a fire started.

    A product Okay, great, cool.

    I don’t know how to start a fire.

    What does this have to do with anything? When we think about our marketing, our content are the sparks.

    Now, if they’re terrible, it’s terrible content, right? Like I have something here is inert like a fork instead of an actual Flint.

    And I’m striking it nothing’s happening, right? Nothing’s happening, because it’s terrible.

    And it just like if you have a terrible content, no matter how often you strike, or how hard strike and if it’s terrible content, you get no sparks, right? Nothing happens.

    But assume that you have good content, which I know is a stretch.

    Assume you have good content.

    It’s something people want.

    It’s something that people were happy to receive.

    How much content should you create? How many formats every time you publish a piece of content, it is this.

    Right? So if you have a monthly newsletter, then once a month, you get a chance to throw some sparks.

    Maybe it catches some people’s attention.

    Well, if you have a weekly newsletter, once a week, for a month, four to five opportunities.

    You’re throwing more sparks.

    And then you have a daily blog post.

    You have some posts on social media.

    I have content on your YouTube channel.

    Right and you have conferences and trade shows.

    You have a podcast, maybe two podcasts, and you have little snippets that you take from that and put it on Instagram, and on tick tock.

    You see what I’m getting with this content or sparks? Right and as long as it’s good.

    Then every single time you publish every time you put something out there you give people a chance to interact with you if you’re creating an opportunity to possibly light something on fire.

    We are in a unprecedented deficit of attention.

    Think about just these four names Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Disney Plus, these four services occupied the eyes and ears of like 90% of our customers.

    Think about these names, Spotify, Apple Music.

    Again, Amazon Prime music all these services occupy the ears like 90% of our customers.

    So much attention is being vacuumed up that if we just have a monthly newsletter and that’s it.

    Even if it’s really great.

    It’s not a lot of sparks.

    We’re not throwing a lot of sparks out there and as a result, things aren’t catching on fire.

    If you can increase the cadence of your content while maintaining Quality or improving quality, if that’s the caveat, if you can increase the canes while keeping the quality the same or better, then you’re putting more sparks out there giving people more to react to that,

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    in turn creates opportunities for more conversions.

    sales folks know this.

    The more times that a salesperson picks up the phone and dials or sends an email something, the more likely it is, they will eventually get some kind of response, even if the response is please stop calling me.

    As opposed as being ignored.

    We have to do the same thing with our content with our marketing.

    If it’s good if it’s helpful, if it’s educational, if it’s entertaining, the more we publish, the more we give someone a chance to react to us.

    Look at your open rates for your newsletter.

    Look at your click through rates.

    Look at your impressions and engagements on social media and the monitoring tool, your choice.

    Go look in Google Search Console for impressions and clicks.

    And you will see how little attention you get.

    I was looking at Twitter the other day and like, my average tweet gets something like 2000 3000 impressions out of 95,000 followers, right? It’s terrible.

    And it doesn’t, there doesn’t seem to be a difference.

    When I look how often I publish my publishing on one tweet a day or five tweets, wait a day, on average, it works out to about 2000 impressions in a given time.

    But they’re not the same 2000 people are different, because the way algorithms work and they select you know, based on topics and keywords and stuff.

    So if I can create more content, more stuff, more opportunities for people to see and hear what I’m saying as long as it’s valuable, I get a greater chance of interacting with other people.

    And I get a better chance of earning attention.

    So give that some thought.

    We’re at a point now, in the attention game, where any scrap of attention you’ve got is valuable.

    You need to hold on to it and create more and more and more opportunities for people to give you their attention by handing them the value that they they’re looking for.

    So give that some thought.

    And thanks for watching.

    I appreciate your attention.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Most Effective Content Modalities?

    You Ask, I Answer: Most Effective Content Modalities?

    Donna asks, “How do you know which content modality (video, ebook, blog post) performs best?”

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    In today’s episode, Donna asks, How do you know which modality which content modality like videos, ebooks, blog posts that are performed best? Well, the answer to this question depends on the amount of effort and governance and technical skill that you have.

    And there’s three different answers.

    So let’s go through these answers in order, the easiest way to make this determination for content that lives on your website.

    And that’s what you’re measuring, is to look in Google Analytics.

    If you have done a good job of setting up properly, and you have goals and goal values set up, then when you look inside Google Analytics, you can look at things like page value as a measure to see okay, how much economic value has any individual URL on your website, given that number is inferred Google Analytics does it with a particular type of machine learning, and will tell you very quickly what a URL is worth.

    Now, if you’ve done a good job with your governance, meaning, you have a list of URLs, and you know what kinds of content types, they are like, this pile of URLs or blog posts, this type of pile is podcast cetera, then even in just Microsoft Excel, you could do a VLOOKUP, between the goals and goal values by page from Google Analytics, and the content types from your governance.

    And very quickly classify which type of content has driven the most economic value, you can, if you want to get fancy do do the same thing with like Markov chain models and stuff to do a more thorough content attribution model.

    But just that basic, as long as that data is there is good enough to get a sense of what content is or is not working.

    So that’s, that’s number one.

    Number two, is if you’re trying to measure the performance of content that is not on your site, such as YouTube, or a podcast in the Apple Store, or things like that, you have to use a more sophisticated model.

    What you would need to do is export from Google Analytics, again, your sessions and goal completions and things by day, along with all the different source and medium combinations.

    And then you would need day level data from all your media channels, like number of YouTube visits per day, number of YouTube likes per day, number of Facebook likes per day, number of Twitter likes per day, and so on and so forth.

    And those would be by content types of videos, you post it on Instagram videos, you post it on YouTube videos, you post it on Tik Tok, and you’ll create this massive spreadsheet of all this different stuff.

    And then you’ll pick an objective from that spreadsheet, could be Google Analytics conversions, could be sessions could be data further down the funnel if you have it.

    And then using a statistical technique called multiple regression, you will have machines assist you in figuring out which combination of variables have the strongest mathematical correlation to the outcome that you’ve chosen.

    So if you choose website traffic, for example, then it would look at all these different combinations and say this combination of variables indicates that there is a relationship between the activities and the content types by their metrics and the the outcome that you care about.

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    From then you have to build a testing plan, because you’ve established with that technique correlation, but you have not established causation, you cannot say for sure that these other variables cause an increase in the outcome you care about.

    But if it says for example, that YouTube videos, views are highly correlated with the outcome you care about, then you could say, Okay, well, if I get more views by maybe running some ads, or just publishing more videos or trying different things on YouTube, if I get more views do I see a commensurate increase in the outcome I care about so much 50% More views? Do I get 50% more conversions? You would run that test over a period of time and then establish yet either yes, that’s true and that you can prove a causal relationship, or no, it’s just correlative, and there’s no causation or could even be reverse causation.

    So that’s step two.

    Step three requires no computational stuff.

    But it does require a lot of effort.

    And step three is very simple.

    At every point of intake, ask people, How did you hear about us? Or what made you come in today or things like that.

    And depending on the kind of business you have, that could be a fairly extensive effort.

    It could mean things like cashiers asking that or front door greeters asking that and recording the answers and submitting them.

    Now, obviously, if you’re an online business, it’s a lot easier because you can just put a field in a plain text field in a form says, what made you shop with us today or something like that? And then, in those answers, you’ve got to look inside and say, Okay, well, how often does YouTube show up? How often does a podcast show? How often does an e book show up? In those answers of how do you hear about us? If the answer is never for any of them, then you have a good sense that your various content modalities are not working? Right.

    On the other hand, if you see that your YouTube series is half the time, then you know, that’s really working for us.

    Let’s Let’s keep doing that.

    The reason I put that one at the end is because it is a lot of effort.

    And depending on the kind of business you have, it’s a lot of effort from a lot of people, right? Because even if you have an online portion to a brick and mortar store, the people who come in from the brick and mortar store may be behaving differently than the people who come in online.

    So you can’t just use online data for a store that is both online and brick and mortar, you want to be asking across the company across the different touchpoints with the customer to understand, yes, this is this the effect these channels have all over, for example, someone could see your stuff online, say on Twitter, and react online.

    Someone might see your stuff on YouTube.

    And then the next time they’re out and about, they might visit your store.

    And so that’d be a different audience.

    It’s a different audience, that content modality would work differently for one group than the other.

    And that’s why that third option, even though it seems simple, and is simple, it’s not easy.

    It requires a lot of effort on your part to put the answers together.

    But that’s how you determine content modalities and their effectiveness.

    It’s it’s straightforward requires a lot of processing.

    But the answers will help illuminate what you should do less and more of So great question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Does Gated Content Work?

    You Ask, I Answer: Does Gated Content Work?

    Darren asks, “Does gated content work?”

    Well… it depends.

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    In today’s episode, Darrin asks, Does gated content work? Well, that’s a bit of a broad question.

    It depends.

    It depends on what you what the word work means.

    Does gated content drive conversions? Sure.

    But there’s a lot of considerations that go into even whether to gate your content or not.

    Fundamentally, gated content is a transaction.

    It’s a sale, it’s just not a sale that may not may not involve money exchanging ends, but it absolutely is a transaction.

    Me the audience member sees a form.

    And I have to do the same Calculus I would do for any purchase, I look at it and go, What am I going to give up? And what am I going to get in return? Right? It’s a simple ROI computation, what am I going to invest? Was my return on investment.

    Because I know as a consumer, the moment I fill out that form, assuming I put into information, which I may not, I’m going to get pestered.

    Right, salespeople are going to call me they’re going to email me they’re gonna direct message me on social networks, they’re gonna go chase me down the street.

    Maybe not that last part.

    And I know there’s a lot of annoyance, there’s a lot of emotional cost to filling out that form.

    So the question is, what am I getting in return for that emotional cost? And if the value is not apparent, based on looking at the form, I may not fill it out, right.

    So your gated content may not work? If I as the consumer see that there’s negative return on investment, I look at this thing and go, ah, you know, it’s not worth it.

    You know, I don’t need this information that badly.

    On the other hand, if the gated content is so valuable information I can’t get anywhere else, it’s something I’m going to learn that is so important.

    I’d be like, You know what, it’s worth it, I can put up with it.

    Maybe I’ll put in fake information in the forum or something like that.

    But I know that there’s a value exchange, right.

    And so as a consumer, I would say, Yeah, I’ll hold my nose and fill out the form, knowing what’s going to happen.

    So from a consumers perspective, gated content may or may not be worth it based on our own mental and emotional computations of return on investment.

    Now, for the business side of things.

    As a marketer, I have to decide when to gate not to gate content, and that plays a big role in whether gated content works on if you get content that doesn’t pass the consumers return on investment calculation, you absolutely will not work, right, it will be a dud.

    If you only get the things that have high return on investment for the consumer, gated content works just fine.

    And so one of the things that you need to do as a marketer is do your own ROI computation, how much did you invest in the content? And how much of a return do you need to show on that investment in order to justify it? So let’s say you have a blog post write a blog post probably didn’t require a ton of investment.

    And so you’re not expecting a huge return or you’re expecting a return that is in a form of value that you’re okay with such as just traffic, right? Maybe you’re not trying to measure conversions right on that blog post, and you’re trying to drive traffic? Well, in that case, your return on your investment is solid is positive.

    So based on that, you’d say I’m not going to get these blog posts.

    On the other hand, if you put together a white paper, and that white paper is something like you know, 100,000 words and research and all this stuff, and you paid 10 grand have a team of editors and photographers put this thing together.

    That’s a big investment.

    I hope there’s value in it for the consumer, but that’s a big investment.

    And so as a marketer, you would have to demonstrate to your, the powers that be that there’s a return on that investment.

    And so that’s a piece of content you probably should gate if you need to show a high economic return, gated content would be the way to go.

    So, what you can see here from this list scription of these two different ROI models is that it’s not a question of whether or not to get content is a question of the return on investment, you have to demonstrate, and the return on investment that the consumer sees for themselves.

    When gated content doesn’t work, it means that you’ve got negative return on investment in one of those places, right.

    As a marketer, if you are creating content and you’re not seeing a return on it, then you’re probably not using gating appropriately.

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    Or you’re the content you’re creating the consumer perceived no value for, as you know, when you’re presenting to the consumer.

    Again, your content has to have such value, that they are willing to invest their emotional in not annoyance, and what they know is going to happen, the moment they fill out that form, and they’re going to get spammed by eight sales guys, and get called at all hours of the day.

    They the consumer has to say, it’s worth it to get the value from this piece of content.

    And so those two models will determine whether or not a consumer does engage with gated content.

    And that in turn dictates whether gated content will work for your business or not.

    Again, I can’t answer that in an absolute term.

    That’s a computation you have to do internally.

    But that would be my suggestion for how do you decide whether gated content is the right choice for any given piece of content? And then what is the likelihood that you’re going to be able to demonstrate that gated content does or does not work? So great question.

    Darren, thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Identifying Working Topics in Content Marketing

    You Ask, I Answer: Identifying Working Topics in Content Marketing

    Matt asks, “How do you know which content topics are working?”

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    In today’s episode, Matt asks, How do you know what topics convert the best? This is a very common question and is a very challenging question because it requires a lot of lifting on your part, to know this.

    First, in all the content you have, how well is it tagged? Right by topic.

    This is a topic kata email marketing, this is a topic about SEO, this is a topic about social media, and so on and so forth.

    So you all of your content in your data has to be tagged to say like, this is what the topic of this of this thing is.

    And then you need outcomes, like, how do you know what converts the best? Well, it depends on the conversion type, like what kind of conversion is a newsletter subscription? Is it a form fill? Is it a purchase, what is the conversion you’re trying to get? And then you have to mix these things together.

    So imagine a big old spreadsheet, right.

    And you have every blog post you have on your blog, for example.

    And you have it’s by day, and you have the your conversions per day, ideally, you have it at a at a per blog post level using something like Markov chain modeling, which we talked about in an earlier episode this week.

    Ideally, that’s in there as well.

    And then in that table, you will have tagged either manually or machine assistance, whether a post is about a specific topic.

    So you have, say a row where there’s an there’s a URL, and there’s columns as email zero or one, whether it’s an email post is a column for SEO, zero, or one.

    And then what you do is, you summarize all that and you run a regression, and you say, Okay, we know that our response column is leads generated, or what have you.

    Do any of these topics, the presence of any of these topics in all these different columns have a influence or driving factor that leads to conversion, because you’re still going to have other metrics in there, like sessions time on page, bounce rate, and all that stuff, all that is in there should be in there.

    But those topics that you’ve identified and coded into your data will become part of the algorithm that you run.

    To do that analysis to say, this combination of three things, lead seems to have the highest correlation to conversion.

    So posts on Wednesdays right posted a 700 characters long, and posts about email marketing, all three of those factors in combination lead to this outcome you care about.

    And that information then allows you to start building a testing plan.

    That testing plan gives you the insights you need to say, Okay, we’ve now proven correlation that posts on Wednesdays there are 700 words long about email marketing, seem to convert best.

    Let’s do a bunch of those.

    And see if you double the number of posts on Wednesdays about email marketing the 700 words long, do you see a doubling in your conversions? If the answer is yes, now you’ve teased out causality? If the answer is no, then what you had was correlative, and not causal.

    So that’s how you you make that determination.

    on topics, it’s a lot of work, it’s a lot of work, because even if you do it like bag of words, style, where if a post has the words, email marketing in it as an email marketing post, it still takes time to tag through.

    Now if you got a really big website, you could use like deep learning to try and read the content and assign it topics.

    But again, even that’s still a little bit iffy.

    And that still requires a lot of training data, right? A lot of information to tell the machines, here’s what this is about based on previous examples.

    So that part is tricky as well.

    But I would do that I would, I would tag it to the best of your ability, run the regression analysis and then say, yep, topics, whatever they are, however many of you have, either are or are not mathematically suggestive of the outcome you care about.

    And then you build your testing plan.

    Good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Analytics for Effectiveness

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Analytics for Effectiveness

    Sunny asks, “How do you create an argument (using data) that a piece of content is “working”. Is there a go-to formula you can pull to say – yes, kinda/sorta, needs work, or nope?”

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    In today’s episode, Sonny asks, How do you create an argument using data that a piece of content is working? Is there a go to formula you can pull to say yes, kind of sorta needs work or no.

    There’s a bunch of different ways to do this.

    The way that I usually do it for for customers is to run what is called a Markov chain model.

    Where if you think about every page or piece of content on your website as, say, a tile in a walkway, which tiles do people walk on the most on their way to getting to, you know, the front door, right.

    And then, based on the probability that a certain tile leads to the next tile, and the next hot leads, a person came to the door, you would say he would assign up importance numbers to those tiles, like this tile here, this is the one that everybody steps on, on the way to the door.

    The same technology is at play, when you’re doing these machine learning models for content analytics to say, this webinar, or this email, or this blog post, this is the one, this is the one that people always walk on.

    So let’s make sure that we assign the most importance to that.

    And then we know, we’ve got to send traffic there, we’ve got to share it on social media, run some ads, send an email, showcase it at a conference, put it in your Slack group, whatever the case is, whatever the the technique is, that is sort of my go to formula.

    Now, if if you don’t have access to that type of machine learning, and you don’t want to hire me to do it for you, which is fine.

    One of the other ways to handle that is to make sure that Google Analytics has goals and goal values, set up goals and goal values, because one of the things that Google Analytics does, it looks at the path that somebody takes as they traverse your website, and then the monetary value of the goal at the end.

    And then it infers the page value based on how many times that page appears in the path on the way to conversion, and obviously, what the conversion sizes.

    Now, for those folks who are ecommerce folks, that’s pretty straightforward, right? Your e commerce shopping software handles a lot of that for you.

    If you’re not an E commerce company, you can still do this by putting in a goal value and somebody fills out a form, right.

    So if you know that your average lead is worth 1000 bucks, then when somebody fills out a lead gen form 1000 bucks is what the value is that should go in there.

    And then once that’s in place, Google Analytics and start reverse engineering was the content value of every page on your website, what is the dollar amount that that pages has generated? And that’s, I would say one of the easier ways to answer this question of the two, I would go with the Markov chain model, because it is, I think, more accurate, and a bit more sophisticated.

    But the page value model is not a bad model, right? It’s, it’s certainly not terrible.

    And that’s, that’s my go to formula, if neither of those are our possibilities.

    Particularly if you’re trying to measure stuff off platform, like say, a page in your medium blog, or your posts on Instagram, then you can do multiple regression analysis.

    And this is where you take a big old table of every column of marketing data, you have Facebook likes and tweets and retweets and sentiment scores, and this, that and the other thing, and then you have a column at the end, which is your response variable, which is leads generated or sales made, or whatever the case may be.

    And then again, statistical software looks at all those different numbers alone and in combination.

    And says, this is the basket of metrics that has the highest mathematical correlation to the outcome you care about.

    And then once you know that, you can start to say, Okay, well, this piece of content or this channel really seems to resonate, right.

    If you have every page on your website with its, you know, with the number of visits on it, and then you have your conversions, you can see there’s certain pages over time, that have a strong propensity to convert.

    That’s another way of doing that.

    It’s a little more messy.

    But sometimes it’s the only way if you’re dealing with external data like your posts on LinkedIn and so on and so forth so that’s that’s the answer to that question it’s a good question thank you

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  • Is Your Content Marketing Worth Stealing?

    Is Your Content Marketing Worth Stealing?

    How do you know when you’ve created something valuable? How do you know when your marketing has really hit the mark? It isn’t just when your leads increase or your traffic goes up or your inbound links improve. Those are good measures, of course, with tangible business outcomes, but there’s another benchmark that I think says even more about your content:

    How often it’s being stolen.

    It’s fundamentally true that people don’t steal things which have no value. Almost every robbery in history has been about taking something of value to someone, be it art, gold, money, or resources of some kind.

    Almost no one steals the boring, small pile of rocks at the end of your driveway. Almost no one steals the dandelions that grow in the public park. Almost no one steals a clearly broken appliance, or a clearly broken down car. (I say almost because there’s always some kind of exception to the rule.)

    The same is true of our content marketing. When was the last time anyone stole from you?

    By steal, I mean to misappropriate in a way you didn’t intend that causes you some economic harm, however minor.

    For example… someone who fills out a contact form with false information sees at least some value in our content, enough that they value filling out the form – just not with their actual data. The economic harm, of course, is in fake data that at a minimum you can’t use for marketing purposes.

    Another example… someone who scrapes our blog content and reposts it without our permission sees enough value in our content to make it worth scraping for their own site. The economic harm is someone else leveraging your efforts and content to benefit their marketing.

    A third example, someone who downloads our stuff and reshares it outside of the ways we normally distribute it sees value in our content, enough to pirate it. The economic harm is a reduction in visible demand for traditional marketing efforts like lead generation form captures.

    In all three cases, someone sees enough value in our content to misappropriate it.

    Here’s the twist: that’s a good thing, in moderation. Let’s face it, our content marketing probably isn’t a massive revenue generator unless we’re literally a publisher. While people stealing our content might diminish our marketing metrics a little, it’s probably not going to ruin our KPIs entirely. More important, it’s a useful proxy for the value people see in our content. As we started out saying, almost no one steals anything that has no value.

    So, if no one is stealing from you… it might be time to revisit how valuable your content really is. Make it so good that people can’t help but to help themselves to it in a way that you didn’t intend.

  • What Content Marketing Analytics Really Measures

    What Content Marketing Analytics Really Measures

    When we talk content marketing analytics, what comes to mind? How well did a piece of content perform? What tools should we use to measure our content? How should we use our analytics to inform our content marketing strategy?

    Those are all good questions, good lines of inquiry, and they highlight one of the most important, ignored aspects of content marketing analytics:

    We’re not measuring content.

    When it comes to content marketing analytics – especially answering the question of how well our content is performing – what we’re really measuring is the context in which our content is served to our audience.

    Context vs content

    Think about it for a second. If you copied and pasted the same post on Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, your blog, your email newsletter, and your Medium account, would you expect the same performance on each channel, in each context? No. That would be ludicrous, the height of unrealistic expectations. You couldn’t even do apples to apples measurements, much less expect similar outcomes. An email open is not the same as an Instagram impression. A blog click on a call to action isn’t the same as a click on a Facebook post.

    Yet when we talk about content marketing analytics, we speak as though we’re evaluating the quality of the content itself. But think about how much context matters, and how it obscures the value of the content. If a piece of content – the same piece – does well on Twitter but poorly on Facebook, is the content good or bad? If the same video clip takes off on Tiktok but languishes on Instagram, is the content good or bad?

    See how difficult it is to judge the value of any given piece of content absent its context? It’s like asking if a steak is good or bad. The best steak served in a shop that otherwise sells ice cream is not going to sell well. The best pizza served in a restaurant known for its sushi isn’t necessarily going to do well.

    When we’re talking about content marketing analytics, we’re really talking about context marketing analytics. Given any piece of content, how well did it perform in different contexts?

    So, are we able to draw ANY conclusions about the intrinsic value of a piece of content that’s not context-sensitive? Possibly:

    • If the same piece of content does poorly everywhere we try it, without exception, we can logically conclude the content itself probably isn’t very good.
    • If the same piece of content does well in at least one place, we can logically conclude that it might have SOME value. We then need to determine how important the context is to that piece of content, and find the right contexts for it.

    Is there any way to measure the intrinsic value of a piece of content, absent its context? Yes and no. We could look at the aspects of content that would improve the probability of high performance – tone of voice, grade level, relevant topics, etc. – but those characteristics are still context-dependent. An article written for Medium or Substack may reach a different audience that values different things than an audience reading the same content on your blog.

    Why? At the end of the day, content is consumed by people, and people differ in their use of pretty much everything. When we measure content, when we measure marketing, we’re really measuring people and their behaviors. Content never consumed by people has no value, and there’s nothing worth measuring.

    Certainly, do analysis of what content is working for your marketing, but remember that most of the time, you’re measuring people’s reactions to your content, not the content itself.

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