Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Qualitative and Quantitative Content Marketing Metrics?

    You Ask, I Answer: Qualitative and Quantitative Content Marketing Metrics?

    Susan asks, “Which is better for measuring content marketing, qualitative or quantitative metrics?”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In today’s episode, Susan asks, which is better for measuring content marketing, qualitative or quantitative metrics?

    Christopher Penn 0:25

    It’s not really an either or it’s both you got to do both.

    As a quick refresher, quantitative metrics, anything, it’s a number, anything is measured as a number, number of pageviews, number of clicks, number of conversions, and so on and so forth.

    Percentage of new visitors, etc.

    They’re all numbers.

    qualitative metrics are anything is not a number, right? Where did this user come from? Where did they go? What kind of browser do they have? What kind of device? Are they on? non numeric things.

    And what’s true in market research is also true in content marketing metrics.

    And that is, there’s a cycle of measurement that you go through that is sort of iterative starting quantity, and then flipping the qualitative, then back to quantitative, and so on and so forth.

    And that stems from the questions you ask.

    So let’s walk through a real quick example.

    Suppose you’re in your Google Analytics account, you’re looking at your blog, and you have all these metrics and dimensions, murmur, metrics and numbers, dimensions are not numbers.

    Similar to qualitative, quantitative, to some degree, you would start probably with something quantitative, how many people run our block? Right? That’s a quantitative measurement, then you might ask a question.

    Where did they come from? Right.

    So now you’re looking at sources and mediums, campaigns, channel groupings, etc, very qualitative.

    You might say, Well, how do we get more of organic search visitors? Now you’re starting to ask questions that will lean back towards the quantitative, right? What can we what tactics? Can you apply, go apply this tactics and measure their results? Did you by putting pictures of your dog in your content? Did you increase page retention time? Right? Did you increase the number of clicks or the scroll depth the page, and so on and so forth? In this endless loop between qualitative and quantitative? You wouldn’t? Probably not.

    I was gonna say never, but there’s always an exception, you probably not pick one or the other, you would most likely be choosing metrics that better in either camp, right, some qualitative metrics, some quantitative metrics, and continuing to evolve.

    And one of the most important qualitative metrics that goes substantially overlooked is is surveying.

    You know, every time we go onto a set this little pop up on the website that says, you know, please take 30 seconds to answer some questions about your experience on our site, things like that.

    That qualitative data, very often can lend a lot of insights into why people did the things they did.

    Because one of the challenges of quantitative metrics is there is no, there is no why there is no explanation.

    You can say how many abandoned shopping carts we had, but you don’t know why people abandon them unless you go and ask them right, there’s really no way to know that to know what somebody was thinking.

    You may see decreases in organic search.

    But you don’t know why is it because there’s less interest from the market broadly in your thing? Did you screw up your SEO? There’s no way to tell, again, that doing a lot of research the market research on the qualitative side? So to answer Susan’s question, it’s not really either, or, you’ve got to do both.

    In that iterative, you know, in your yin yang sort of cycle that one gives rise to the other.

    What makes that work, is that every time you come up with a finding an either one, it should spur an additional question, a new question to answer where you flip to the the other measurement.

    So maybe you start with qualitative, maybe you do an email survey, and a bunch of people give you some good freeform responses, and say, Okay, let’s quantify this.

    We’ve

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    clearly touched on a nerve.

    We’ve gotten 10 responses back from on this newsletter, people saying, Oh, this is really valuable and impactful.

    You know what the topic is? Now it’s you you quantify the say, Okay, I’m gonna send out a survey.

    How many of you, how would you on a scale of one to five like this newsletter would be all about? I don’t know, left handed Smoke Shifters.

    fiving Yes.

    Now you can look at those numbers and say, our qualitative insights can be cool.

    quantified and we can use that to make a judgement.

    For example, if you did say we’re going to focus only on left handed Smoke Shifters, you might want to know what percent of the audience would want to actually want that.

    Because there is always the chance particularly it’s not done well.

    in market research, when you ask a question and it over or understates the importance of the what the person answers until you run some surveys to quantify it.

    So the same would be true in your content marketing, right? You write some content, and you get some responses and you say, Okay, well, now we need to quantify this.

    For example, I wrote a very political newsletter a couple of weeks ago.

    If I liked the responses I got, I would say, maybe I’ve run a survey, how would you like more of that kind of content? Vote your, your, whatever your preference.

    I would be willing to bet probably.

    Most people would say no, that’s not why I signed up for this newsletter, right? That’s not what I’m here for.

    Once in a blue moon is fine if it’s something really important, but for the most part, let’s stick to marketing.

    So that’s my long winded answer for qualitative and quantitative are two sides of the same coin.

    And you need both of them properly done, so that you can make good decisions.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: TikTok and Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: TikTok and Content Marketing?

    Ann asks, “How does TikTok indirectly or directly affect content marketing?”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In today’s episode and asks, How does Tiktok directly or indirectly affects content marketing? Well, let’s start with the obvious.

    If you create content, it can go on Tiktok.

    Right? It’s a distribution channel.

    That’s pretty straightforward answer.

    And so if you’re creating content that is helpful to people provide some value, maybe it’s entertainment, maybe it’s education, whatever, and you’re posting on Tiktok, it’s going to do well, right? If you can create a community, if you can feed that community with your content, it’ll do well.

    But here’s the twist, especially with services like Tiktok.

    And this goes for Instagram, too, that goes for Facebook, etc.

    Because really any major social network social networks are used by many people as search engines.

    Right? That’s not their stated intent.

    That’s not what they’re designed for.

    But it doesn’t stop people from using them as search engines from discovering stuff, learning stuff, and then running with it.

    I was on.

    Oh, gosh, Instagram the other day.

    And I was watching this one video.

    And somebody mentioned this piece of software like, oh, cool, I’ll go try that.

    It was a discovery engine.

    Right, another time I was looking for somebody on LinkedIn.

    And LinkedIn is essentially a search engine for people.

    Right? Think about that LinkedIn is a search engine for people.

    There’s plenty content of it to be searched for as well.

    But a lot of times you’re finding people same is true for tick tock, tick, tock is a search engine for short form ideas.

    Right, if you can find somebody who’s talking about the thing that you’re interested in the topic you’re interested in, they’re creating great videos that have a lot of value.

    It’s a search engine.

    And you can then obviously, optimize your content that you put on Tiktok for search, learning how to use hashtags, learning how to appropriately use captions, all those things, to help the Tiktok algorithm surface your stuff to people who are searching for the thing I did, one of the most popular videos I’ve ever done on Tiktok was on stuff around Ukraine, and it’s finding the right community sharing it with him, then people find it people find you, and then share your stuff and promote it, etc, etc.

    It’s no different than any other social network.

    So how does search indirectly or directly affect your content marketing? That is the answer for how Tiktok does it? How does social media affect your content marketing? That is the answer for Tiktok as well.

    There’s nothing about Tiktok that is so revolutionary, and so new and incomprehensible, that if you’ve already got some experience with social media marketing, you can figure out Tiktok pretty clearly and pretty pretty quickly, will you necessarily be great at it at its unique formats, you know, anywhere from 30 seconds to 10 minute videos, maybe you are maybe you aren’t, maybe use the right filters or whatever.

    But fundamentally, if you are accustomed to delivering value to the audience in some type of short form video, then your content marketing on Tiktok will do very well.

    And if you understand how people search for things, how people discover things, if you do great market research on your audience, you will find ways to leverage those learnings on Tiktok.

    Right? It could be collabs and duets, for example, if you know that there’s a certain influence you want to get in front of you can spin up a duet or resharing and re mixing stuff.

    There’s no shortage of stuff.

    Same is true for Snapchat Snapchats still exists that’s actually very popular in certain parts of the world.

    And there still are things that that directly and indirectly affect your content marketing that way.

    So there’s a lot of opportunity out there, the challenge for all of us is to figure out where our audience is, what they’re interested in at those times, and then how they buy, right, if we’re talking about marketing, figuring out how somebody buys is the most valuable activity that you can do because it helps you understand the customer journey, and then optimize your marketing for it.

    If you run into a channel like Tiktok, for example, and you start creating stuff, without understanding how people buy in your space, you could be wasting an awful lot of time and money because that may not be how people buy a may not even be people discover awareness of a certain product or service.

    They may not use the platform for that.

    So you’ve got to do that market research up front so that you can provide value when and where people want it.

    That is the challenge before you.

    So that’s how Tiktok effects content marketing.

    It’s all about a distribution channel.

    and understanding how people use social media and then conforming your marketing to where the audience is thanks for tuning in I’ll talk to you soon if you’d like this video go ahead and hit that subscribe button

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing Management Mistakes?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing Management Mistakes?

    Ann asks, “Name one or two mistakes people make while managing a content marketing team?”

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    In this episode and asks, name one or two mistakes people make while managing a content marketing team.

    It depends on whether we’re talking about content marketing specifically, or just talk about managing specifically, because there’s so many mistakes, you can make managing, micromanaging, failing to manage appropriately not setting goals, not checking in with people not providing support, not paying them equitably.

    There’s any number of ways that you could badly manage any given team.

    But in the context of content marketing, specifically, there are three major areas where things are going to go wrong, right? Number one is not having good processes in place.

    And if you are just having people winging it, it’s going to get very frustrating, and you’re not going to deliver your best product.

    That’s pretty straightforward.

    Number two, is in choosing your content, marketing format, and platform, choosing badly, choosing badly choosing platforms where your audience is not choosing to distribute content in a way that makes it difficult for people for people to access your content, choosing platforms that are difficult for your team to work with, right? Yeah, you may have all these requirements for your internal business processes.

    But if your people hate working with that system, you’re really handicapping yourself.

    But the biggest mistake of all, is having a content marketing strategy and plan that does not leverage people properly.

    What do we mean by this? Number one, is, if you have no idea what talents your team has ain’t just kind of throw content marketing plans out there, you’re gonna get less than their best work, because everybody has different aptitudes, right.

    Some people like to talk.

    So people like to write, so people to draw or paint or compose music, or dance or whatever, there’s, people have all forms of different self expression.

    And if your content marketing management does not take into account all the different ways that people can be creative, you are handicapping those people in terms of their ability to create work that they enjoy doing, because of self expression.

    So is good.

    And more importantly, the quality of work you’re going to get out of them is not going to be as good.

    It’s it’s going to be mediocre.

    Because taking somebody who is naturally a visual person, and making them write a 1500 word blog post is a recipe for failure.

    Can they do it? Yes.

    Is going to be as good as it could be? No.

    Right? It’s like taking somebody who is a world class Japanese chef and putting them in a bakery.

    Are they going to be able to bake things? Yes.

    Because they’re they’re superbly talented professionals in general.

    But are you leveraging their talents for what they’re best at? No.

    Right? Having someone who can make amazing teppanyaki or sushi, cranking out croissant.

    It’s just a mismatch.

    And that’s something that I see happen a lot in content marketing people are people are creating content marketing strategies and plans without taking into account what their team is good at.

    They may not even know what they are good at.

    So another key part of this is doing that skills assessment, doing a skills assessment regularly, and understanding what the aptitudes of the people are that work on your content marketing team.

    And then as projects and products come up, you figuring out how do you leverage all these different disparate talents because everyone has some form of self expression.

    Sometimes, someone’s self expression just may not be a good fit for your content marketing strategy, right? Maybe somebody is a really, really good sort of 360 degree video maker like this superbly good at that.

    They can make very compelling virtual reality content.

    And your content strategy does not call for virtual reality, and it’s not a good fit for your products or services.

    That doesn’t, you haven’t figured out how to unlock that value for your audience.

    Having that person using their talents would be a mismatch for what your content marketing strategy is trying to accomplish.

    And so that’s an example where you might not have the right people, right, you want to have the people who can generate the output you want in the format’s you want working for you and making sure they’re compensated appropriately so that they’re doing their very best work.

    Right.

    I’m free Be good at writing,

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    I really enjoy doing video.

    So as you can see, I do a lot of video.

    And at Trust Insights this year, I have had more fun making content than I ever have before.

    Because we’re doing a lot of courses, right we have a new Google Analytics course go to trust insights.ai/ga for course, it was like five and a half hours of video and I get to play around in Premiere and doing my editing and transitions and all this fun stuff.

    It’s fun, is leveraging an aptitude that I have.

    And so if I had a manager who was saying, Well, no, that’s, that’s great that you can do video, but we’re really trying to create just written word, I wouldn’t be as happy.

    Could I still create good content? Yes.

    Would it provide value to the audience? Yes.

    Is it what I love doing? Not as much.

    So when it comes to managing a content marketing team, know what skills your people have, and know what your strategy is, and make sure that your strategy is aligned to your people, it is much easier to change your strategy to match your people than it is to try and force your people to match your strategy.

    You can change strategies but not written in stone, right? They are not delivered on high for tablets from a deity of some kind.

    Yeah, made it up.

    You made it up.

    And so you can change it just as easily.

    Put your people skills first, put your audience’s value second, and then put your corporate business goals third, they do things in that order.

    You’re going to create great content that people love to make that will give value to the audience and will still achieve your goals, your marketing goals.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Awareness vs Consumption?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Awareness vs Consumption?

    Ann asks, “Does it matter if people consume the content or is it enough for them to notice it?”

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    In this episode and asks, Does it matter if people consume content? Or is it enough for them to simply notice it? I struggled with this question because my first gut instinct was, of course, they need to consume it if they don’t, what was the point? Right, because the whole point of content is to give value to the consumer of the content.

    But it depends, I think it depends on the kind of content it is, knowing that exists, might be enough, in certain rare circumstances, you know, knowing that your favorite musician released a piece of content, a new song, might be enough for you to pay attention, for marketing, for what we do in marketing, I think it’s essential that people consume it because the point of content marketing is to provide value to somebody provide value to your audience.

    And if nobody consumes it, if they just know it’s there, they’re not really getting any value out of it.

    Imagine this video that you’re watching right now.

    And you saw the little thumbnail on YouTube, you clicked on it, and maybe you saw it in the newsletter, whatever.

    How much value would this video be? If you just saw the thumbnail, right? If you didn’t actually watch it or listen to it, I can’t think that it would have a whole lot of value to you, if you were just seeing it float by, right.

    It really is about the consumption of the content.

    That doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to study it deeply.

    It doesn’t mean you have to, you know, pour over that content for hours at a time.

    But it does mean you should get some value out of that kind of content.

    And if you don’t, I’m not sure what good it did.

    Part of content marketing, if you do it well, is changing perception, right? From building brand awareness to persuasion, getting people to enter that you mentally in their consideration set when they’re it’s time to buy being part of the evaluation and ultimately purchase.

    If the content doesn’t fulfill any of those functions, because people aren’t consuming it, it’s probably not all that good.

    It’s probably not all that helpful.

    So I would say yes, it very much matters most of the time for someone to actually consume the content that is being presented to them in order for them to get value out of it.

    Now, here’s the twist.

    If your content is so low value, and so empty and so selfish, that it doesn’t actually provide value to the audience.

    It’s probably okay for your audience to just notice it, right? Because consuming is just going to waste their time.

    They’re getting nothing out of it except a really long and uninteresting ad.

    But that’s a strategic failure on the part of the person making the terrible content, right? Good content, yes, needs to be consumed to unlock its value, bad content.

    You don’t need to consume it because it has no value to begin with.

    Right? So it’s not going to it’s not going to move the needle anyway.

    It’s just a waste of people’s time.

    So how good is your content? How much value does your content provide? That is the answer to this question.

    But whether it’s enough for people to see it or whether they actually need to consume it, good content needs to be consumed.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How to Make Epic Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: How to Make Epic Content Marketing?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks the very interesting question, “what do you try to do with your content marketing to make it epic?”

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks the very interesting question, what do you try to do with your content marketing to make it epic? I don’t in the sense of, if we look at the three E’s of content, marketing, engaging, educational, and entertaining.

    I’m not necessarily all that great at entertaining.

    In fact, I know I’m not very good at it at entertaining, right? You’re not here for the music, or the lively commentary, or the dancing or whatever, right? The the entertaining angle is largely missing from my content marketing, I am aware of that.

    And I am aware of my limitations as a person as a creator.

    That’s not my my thing.

    That’s not my jam.

    And for the very best content, the content that does really well on YouTube, or Twitter or Facebook or whatever, you need at least two to three, right? You need to be have something that’s emotionally engaging, entertaining, and educational, two out of the three are mandatory, you can do one out of three, he’ll have okay content, right.

    And of course, if you have none of the three, you have terrible content.

    But one out of three isn’t good enough anymore, you need at least two out of three.

    And if you want to succeed in a disproportionate manner, you need all three.

    So the question is, how do you how do you increase your, your scores and e to the three E’s, I feel like I do, okay, on educational on being able to share information that is useful and helpful to people.

    Right, I feel like that’s a reasonably good condition.

    I’ve been working for the last four or five years, on the engaging part, I’m sharing more things that are less purely data, and more points of view and perspectives, things come from my life, things that come from my experience, and therefore, I can speak credibly on them.

    But on the entertainment angle, not a whole lot to show for right now, I do do some art and things here and there.

    And of course, you know, my background in the martial arts is one angle of that sort of expression.

    But I’m not going to start punching people on live video.

    I mean, I could, but it wouldn’t be brand aligned with the kind of content we’re trying to create.

    So my focus is on creating content that is more and more useful.

    And that is more and more engaging, and leaving entertainment out for the time being until I figure out a way to make it consistent with what I want to be known for.

    What I want my company be known for, and most of all, what an audience wants.

    Right what you want, when you’re watching this video, why are you watching this video, you’re hoping probably to learn something like the three E’s of content marketing.

    And the reverse side, the flip side is what I call the three l test, which for me, as a creator in you, as a creator, is a test you have to apply to your content.

    And it stands for laugh, learn love, right? As you create a piece of content, did you learn something? Right? If you didn’t learn anything, when you were putting together a piece of content, and you’re already the subject matter expert, or would like to be, then your audience probably isn’t learning anything either.

    Right? If you just learned something and you’re sharing it, like, hey, check out this cool thing I just learned about chances are, at least somebody else in your audience also didn’t know that, and would benefit from learning from it.

    If you don’t love your content that you’re creating, as you’re creating it enough that you’re willing to share it with people that have no interest in it just because you’re so excited about it.

    That’s a good sign, right? If you take a video like this, and you share it with a friend who’s not ever, ever ever going to be a customer, or consume your marketing there’s that shows that you’ve you yourself have at least been emotionally engaged in your content.

    Right? If you don’t love your own content, no one else is going to love it either.

    Right? If you don’t talk about it to your significant other or your dog or whatever.

    Why would anybody else talk about your content with someone else? What is it that you really love? about your content, do you love making it and if you don’t,

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    maybe it’s time to put a pause on what you’re doing for content marketing and figure out an angle of something that you do love doing that can be coerced into a marketing function, right there.

    There’s no shortage of different ways to apply art, to marketing and to business.

    My, my graduate thesis when I graduated from business school, was on telling the story of migrating a company to modern IT infrastructure, right.

    And the usual format for presentations was a big, big old pile of PowerPoints, and some charts and graphs and things in total snooze fest, right.

    I ended up writing and drawing mine as a medieval tale, right? We have, you know, dragons of information, ignorance and castles of, of it servers.

    And it was at least a different creative spin on what is otherwise a commodity topic.

    I loved it so much I was engaged with an emotionally when I made it, that it resonated well, and even had, you know, an aspect of the entertainment built into it.

    But laugh is the third one, did you your content elicits laughter, or some kind of entertaining statement from you as you’re making it.

    Right? Even now, as I’m recording this thinking back to, you know, my, my graduate thesis does make me laugh, because it was it was a ridiculous project.

    But at that point, I was so fed up with programs like yeah, I’m just gonna do this.

    And whatever grade I get is fine.

    Because as the joke goes, what do you call the person who graduated last their medical class school class called Doctor.

    As long as I passed, that was fine.

    The diploma is the diploma.

    And thinking back through these things, the ability to tell stories and stuff that’s entertainment, too.

    So I don’t try to make my content epic.

    I try to pass my own test the three L’s did I laugh while I was making it? Do you learn something while I was making it, or at least learn a different angle? And do I love it, I love it so much that I will tell my dog about it, even though my dog is never going to consume my content.

    If you pass those tests, honestly, then your content is going to be great.

    But you’ve got to be honest with yourself.

    And if you ask most marketers to take a step back, how much did you honestly love the last email newsletter you made?

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    The answer a substantial amount of time was gonna be I got my job done.

    I got it.

    It’s off my to do list has done.

    Well, it’s done doesn’t mean you loved it.

    Did you love that newsletter know, your audience is gonna love it either.

    I was writing the Trust Insights newsletter for tomorrow.

    And it’s not, you know, it’s not my entire production.

    It’s, it’s a collaborative effort.

    But the part that I wrote, I love that part.

    I truly love that part.

    It’s I’m digging into how we did our version of NPS scores, and it was fun to and digging into the implications.

    And I really love that part of the newsletter that I wrote, when I write my own personal newsletter, I love writing my email newsletter.

    It’s one of the highlights of my week, because I get to communicate to you what I’m working on what I’m thinking about things that might be helpful to you.

    And getting that feedback is is so important to use these capabilities to do some good in the world.

    So that’s what I do instead of trying to make great content marketing and make something epic.

    Make something that passes the three l test.

    Apply the three L tests to your content.

    Be honest with yourself.

    And then once you realize it, your content probably doesn’t pass those tests.

    Start thinking okay, of those three dimensions laugh, learn, love, entertain, engage, educate, which one can you start improving today? Really good question.

    I hope this was useful answer

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Makes Epic Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: What Makes Epic Content Marketing?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “What do you think make some content marketing epic?””

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks, What do you think make some content marketing epic? I’m assuming by Epic, we mean something that’s cool or great and not the geological age.

    You know, with content marketing, there’s the three E’s of content, marketing the things and really of all marketing things that everything that works has to have in some combination, entertaining, educating, and engaging, right.

    So if your content can do at least one of those, well, it’s going to fulfill its purpose.

    If it does two of those, well, it’s probably going to stand out.

    And if you can manage to do all three, you will sort of hit the jackpot.

    So we’re talking about content that entertains not just educates because education is fine anyway, the part imparting of information, that’s a useful thing.

    But we know that just because something educational doesn’t mean it’s fun to watch, right, college was educational, and how many of your college classes did you flip through, even though education was being imparted? So that entertaining aspect really is important.

    To be able to engage people emotionally is important, right? A piece of content doesn’t necessarily have to amuse us, but it should absolutely incite some form of emotional reaction.

    When it engages us.

    All of our decision making as people are based on emotions, right? We make decisions emotionally, and then we look for all the data to back that up to rationalize our decisions.

    So the best content does all three, you look at some of the most popular YouTube channels that don’t have a single state purpose, like Yeah, obviously, your musician predominantly is going to be entertaining and engaging, right, and probably not a ton of education on those channels.

    But the you know, the best musicians do those things very well.

    But look at something like, for example, Google foods on YouTube, or bow of the fifth column.

    These are channels that they agitate, they do entertain, and they engage and maybe score yourself, score your content, score other people’s content on those three dimensions, you will find that the very best stuff tops the charts in all three, you know, in those examples, the channel at Google foods, highly entertaining, right, just a bunch of guys cooking a lot of beef, very educational, lots of experiments, lots of fun, you know, trying to tenderize beef with sparkling water and a variety of other things, and engaging in getting people to react, figuring out character arcs for their various on air hosts, I think all those things make for really great content marketing, and then look at content marketing, that doesn’t top those charts, right? Look at your average white paper, or webinar or ebook, or what have you.

    It becomes pretty clear that’s like, Okay, this is this is educational, I have to do this, watch this thing for my job or read this thing for my job.

    But it’s not thrilling, right? Look at the content that you have that you procrastinate on consuming.

    Right, you know that you should read that ebook.

    You know, you should read that documentation.

    But you don’t why? Because it may be educational, but it’s not entertaining, it’s not engaging.

    And that’s the part that is really tricky with a lot of guidance has been given about content marketing.

    There are excellent, excellent sources.

    You know, Marcus Sheridan, they ask you answer is a really good example Jay Baer is utility is really good concept.

    But both of those resources and all the contents have been created around being helpful as as a content marketing strategy doesn’t have that nuance of being entertaining and engaging.

    Right? It does, you can be 100% useful, but it’s really hard to capture attention.

    And the reason for that is because these devices present the world’s best entertainment than most engaging content and things and your content has got to at least have some of those ingredients or you’re one tap away from a better choice, right? We are not competing against our competitors, right my company trust tenocytes is not just competing against McKinsey or KPMG, or whatever another consulting firm, we’re competing against Netflix, right? We’re competing against YouTube, we’re competing against

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    Bryan Adams or Celine Dion or Aerosmith, or Metallica.

    Anything that the consumer you are spending your time on is time you’re not spending with me.

    Right? So I have to figure out how do I earn more of that time.

    And it means that I need to look at all three of those dimensions, I’ve got to figure out what those dimensions mean, for me and my content and my brand.

    How do I entertain? How do I engage? How do I educate? And how do I improve on all three dimensions, there’s certainly no shortage of gimmicks and things that you can do.

    But at the very least, you’ve got to figure out what things work for you and your brand.

    And that’s really, really difficult.

    Because a lot of the things that work for other people, especially on the entertainment angle, and even on the emotional engagement angle, they don’t work for me, right? I’m not that person, I don’t have that person’s life experience, I don’t have that person’s unique point of view on the world, I have my own.

    So a big part of making your content marketing, epic, is making yourself individually and as a brand, as an organization as a marketing organization, self aware, knowing what is within reach and what is not within reach inventorying the talents of your people.

    Right? What skills do you have outside of marketing that you can bring into your market? And can you paint? Right? This is you know, that’s not a really good example, because I did that with a water gun.

    Can you draw? Can you sing? Can you compose? What are the forms of expression that you’re really good at? And how do you bring that into your work so that a it’s more difficult to replicate and be it’s unique, right? There’s only one you even as a company, even as an organization, there’s only one of your company and the way that your marketing works, is tied to that.

    So that’s what makes content marketing epic.

    When you are fully aligned with your brand, your self, your history, who you are, and you are hitting all three E’s and you’re doing it well.

    That’s how you get to Epic Content Marketing.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Predictions for the Future of Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Predictions for the Future of Content Marketing?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “any predictions on what might happen with content marketing in the next 10 years?”

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks any predictions on what might happen with content marketing in the next 10 years? No.

    Nope.

    can’t predict that no idea.

    Absolutely no idea.

    And here’s why.

    In the last four years, natural language generation, the ability for machines to write to create content has leaped from crap to mediocre, which is a huge leap.

    It’s a big, big move.

    Until about 2018, machines could barely put words together.

    And it didn’t make sense.

    At the end, you know, they were really useless.

    And then around 2018, we started getting these transformer based models, BERT and Bart, and GPT, and so on, so on and so forth.

    That because of the their technology, the way they use embeddings, and stuff, they’re able to put together much more coherent language and create content that’s mediocre.

    They can write press releases, like nobody’s business, the business of writing press releases, is going out of business, because machines can do it better.

    Yeah, great.

    Nobody reads them, right.

    I’ve been saying for years.

    Nobody reads their child press releases before bedtime.

    Right? Nobody, unless you really want to put your kid to sleep fast.

    But we read stories to our kids all the time.

    So that’s just four years, we’ve had a quantum leap, or I should say, a big leap, because it’s not technically quanta computing.

    We had a big leap in four years.

    What’s going to happen? The next 10? Who knows? Because we’re already seeing some amazing leaps ahead in a lot of these much bigger transforming models, and how we use them, how we distill them down how we do hyper parameter tuning on them.

    We have a huge question mark.

    In technology of quantum computing, quantum computing, is a type of computing, using the principles of quantum physics that much more closely mimics how the human brain works, right? Our brains are really amazing.

    They’re these massive networks of relatively slow processors, right? That are just meshed together as huge network.

    And the processors are analog, they’re not zeros and ones, they’re graded as zero and one everything in between them, there are certain thresholds after which a processor will output something.

    That’s how nerves work your your the nerve cells in your brain.

    Quantum Computing, is starting to be able to do the same thing right now we’ve got a computer that is stable at about 100 qubits, which would be like a human brain with 100 cells.

    But as the technology improves, as we can stabilize it, we can deal with the temperature issues.

    Expect to see you know, 200 cubits 500 cubits, and then at a certain point, these machines which by the way, we operate at the speed of light, and our brains operate far below that, we’ll be able to do the kind of fuzzy thinking that the human brain is really good at that could happen in the next 10 years.

    Right.

    And if that does, that will radically change all forms of computing, because machines will then be able to think in non binary terms, they will be able to make decisions that have shades of gray, as opposed to just yes or no zero or one.

    And that would change content marketing forever, because at that point, a machine could be able to start understanding what it’s creating.

    If you look at the natural language processing models that exist today.

    They no matter how complex they are, no matter how good the content, they seem clear, they have no actual understanding, the machine does not understand what it’s saying.

    If you type in the sentence, five plus four equals right, or 22 plus 19, equals none of these machines will write one of the mathematical answers because they are not reading the texts.

    They’re not understanding what they’re saying.

    But what if you were to introduce that kind of fuzzy thinking, that becomes possible for them to start to create cognition within machinery.

    And that’s at the point where you can start getting things like artificial general intelligence machines, with sentience with sapiens.

    And then we have to have some very existential conscious conversations about humanity in general.

    But that’s that’s still ways off.

    But within the next 10 years, who knows,

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    we can look at technology itself and say that the amount of information being generated continues to increase exponentially that is true, is verifiable.

    The devices that we use to create content are getting better, faster and cheaper every single day.

    Our ability to create immersive content, now used to be an extremely expensive now you can buy a 360 degree camera off of amazon for like $500 and have a quick good results that you can use in a virtual reality headset.

    So there’s no way to know what’s going to happen in 10 years, even five years, we just don’t know.

    But what we do know is what’s not going to change.

    We know people will always want things better, faster and cheaper, right, get more pay less people always want that people always want to be educated, to be entertained, to be engaged emotionally, in the content they consume, those things are not changing.

    And if we focus on fulfilling those needs, right, we will do well.

    Consumers and content consumers have embraced mobility, right? This sort of thing, not as much because this is ugly, heavy and looks stupid.

    This is everywhere.

    Mobility first is unlikely to change.

    The form factors may change how the devices function may change.

    But the idea of having the world’s publicly available knowledge in your pocket, not going to change anytime soon.

    Right? The idea of frictionless interactions, you know, you open up your device, you swipe right and a car appears at your doorstep or groceries appear or a date appears right? These things are part and parcel of this frictionless world when and that expectation of the frictionless transaction is not going away.

    Consumers want things to be easier and easier.

    And B2B, B2C doesn’t matter.

    We all want these things.

    And we are all getting these things in some degree from this device, which means that this is the bar we have to live up to.

    And we’ve all become accustomed to thinking less.

    We have recommendation engines showing us what to read what to listen to what to watch next, what to buy.

    And those recommendations.

    We like them.

    We like them a lot.

    We still ask our friends and listen.

    And there’s still play a place for serendipity.

    But we have to think a whole lot less than we used to 10 years ago.

    Find me some new music.

    Now.

    Spotify will split up here’s eight new tracks that you might like, right? What should I watch next? Next, Netflix will tell you or YouTube will tell you.

    What should I buy next Amazon more than happy to tell you what to buy next.

    So those are the things that aren’t changing.

    And if our content marketing is aligned with these trends, then no matter what happens with it, we will be irrelevant.

    It’s only when we get away from the things that people never change on that we run into trouble.

    So that’s my non predictions for the next 10 years.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Most Important Content Marketing KPIs?

    You Ask, I Answer: Most Important Content Marketing KPIs?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “In your opinion, what are the most important or insightful data points to track to ensure that your content marketing is effective?””

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks, In your opinion, what are the most important or insightful data points to track to ensure that your content marketing is effective? Is anybody there? Anybody consuming my content? And then are people doing what we want them to do after they consume the content? Might awareness, engagement conversion? Those are the data points and what those metrics are vary on the content, right? Well, podcast is going to have some different numbers than a YouTube video is going to have some different numbers than a white paper or an ebook, or blog post or newsletter.

    They’re all gonna have different numbers.

    But those are the three big categories.

    Awareness is the first and most important with content marketing, if nobody’s reading, or watching or listening, everything else doesn’t matter.

    And while some folks will rant about the importance of vanity metrics, or how pointless they are, like how many followers you have, or how many subscribers do you have, if the number zero, you’ve got a problem, where things like vanity metrics run into trouble, of course, people think that is the goal.

    It’s not the goal, but it’s a goal on the way to a business outcome.

    And if that number is zero, nothing else matters.

    It’s it’s your standard top, middle and bottom of the funnel, what’s happening at each of these stages? And how is content playing a role in each of those stages? content has to fit intent.

    Right? There’s so there’s four basic intents, there is, I’m trying to figure out the problem is number one.

    Number two is I figured out the problem, I’m trying to figure out how to solve it, it’s to number three is I figured out the problem, I figure out how to solve and I need to figure out who I’m going to do business with.

    And number four is I bought the thing to solve my problem.

    Is it solving my problem, which is essentially, awareness, engagement, conversion and retention.

    We know these metrics, we have these metrics in every piece of marketing software that worth its salt, or you know, at least in our tech stack.

    But we don’t ever really spend a lot enough time telling the story of it along the way.

    What content you have for retention is not the content that is going to be great for awareness, right? Here’s how to use our product is very useful for retaining customers, here’s how to get the most of our product.

    If someone doesn’t even know what their problem is that content is not going to help them.

    Right, here’s a instruction manual on this video camera.

    Do and the person you know the awareness person’s like, I don’t even know if I need a video camera.

    And so those are the data points to look at.

    And then map them to the individual pieces of content.

    If you think about setting up conversions, and something like Gale, say Google Analytics.

    And you were to then map out the content that participated in each of those conversions, you should see content in different places, right? Your white paper probably shouldn’t, depending on the white papers topic.

    A white paper might not be an awareness generator, but it might be an engagement generator, who could be a conversion generator.

    But where do you intend for it to be? And here’s the part that goes wrong with all content marketing analytics.

    You don’t do anything with it.

    Seth Godin said this best if you’re not going to change what you eat, or how often you exercise don’t get on the scale.

    Right? You’re gonna you’re collecting data that is going to make you feel bad.

    And you’re not willing to change with your content marketing, if you’re measuring awareness, engagement and conversion and retention.

    If you don’t do anything different, why bother? There’s no.

    So what is my business partner and friend, Katie robear, would say, No.

    So what what are you going to do with this information? What decisions are you going to make? What actions are you going to take? If you say that your awareness numbers are low? And then that’s it, you hand off the slide and your monthly report and then you move on with your day.

    And you didn’t change what you’re doing to generate awareness, then you shouldn’t have bothered putting together in the first place.

    It was just a waste of your time.

    On the other hand, if you just measure one thing, like say, Yeah, you know what, we’re, we’re not in a position to measure engagement or conversion and retention, but I can tell you how many people I’m in front of, and you optimize the heck out of that.

    You will do well.

    There’s a lesson that my friend William Smith said, you said pick a number,

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    that it is something you have control over.

    That’s related to your your buyers journey and make it go up 8% week over week, one number that’s it, pick one number, maybe it’s new users to your website, if you can make new users to your website go up 8%, week over week, without fail.

    Everything else in the value chain will do better.

    Right? Pick one thing and figure out what levers and knobs and dials and buttons you have to manipulate to get that number to go up 8% week over week, and you will see success flow from that point.

    So that’s the, that’s the corresponding side to these data points is you’ve got to take action on them.

    And the more data points you have, and the more that you track, the more decisions you have to make.

    So if you don’t have the bandwidth, or the budget, or the people to make a bunch of decisions, then just pick one.

    And start there until your business improves enough that you have the budget to work on a second point.

    And then work on that, and so on and so forth.

    If you tried to do everything all at once, you’re going to do nothing for a very, very long time.

    It’s like having a jar of jelly with a white one spot one spoonful of jelly at the bottom and you got 100 pieces of bread? Should you try and put a tiny bit of jelly spread super thin like one atom, then across all 100 pieces of bread that can be very satisfying.

    It’s going to take a really long time.

    And by the time you’re done, it’s not going to have much of an impact.

    Or do you say you know what, we’ll put 99 pieces of bread aside and put jelly on on enough on one piece enough that I can taste it.

    Everything in content marketing is about focus, right, you can create content about everything.

    But in doing so you really create content about anything.

    On the other hand, if you create content in a focused manner, in a channel where you want to do well, like video, for example.

    And you You knock it out of the park, you will create the resources you need to do it again.

    And again.

    It’s kind of like investing, right? You could spread out 1 to 100 different banks a penny here a penny there.

    But when you think about how interest works and compounds, you’re better off putting that1 In one bank, and then figure out how do you get your next dollar.

    So that’s my caution with data around content marketing, yes, you can measure all these things and you should collect the data.

    So that’s available for you when you do want to process it later on.

    But focus on one thing and improve it, improve the daylights out of it.

    And then use the the revenue and the business impact from that to invest in the next thing one at a time.

    So that’s my answer to Brian’s question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Changes in Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Changes in Content Marketing?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “how have things changed since you started content marketing?”

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks, how have things changed since you started content marketing? Well, gosh, I mean, when doing marketing of some kind with content before it content marketing existed as a term, right? My first podcast was 2005.

    It was 934 episodes, my first website that I created to share information with people and to attract people to join a business was 1994.

    So things have changed a lot since 1994.

    Right? Things have changed a lot and almost 30 years of marketing.

    And it’s easier, I think, to focus on what hasn’t changed.

    Right? What are the things that have not changed about content marketing, people want to be educated, people want to be entertained, people want to be engaged.

    And people want things that are faster, cheaper, and better.

    Right? People want better service than ever, they want faster service than ever, and they want to pay less and less for it.

    And so we’ve seen, content marketing, and all marketing evolve along those lines, right.

    amazon.com, when you think about it really is just a giant content marketing site, right? You don’t actually get anything from the Amazon website.

    It’s just a big, big, big pile of content that you use to then buy stuff from the Amazon logistics company.

    And you know, somebody drops it off and flings it at your door.

    But the mechanism for that sale is content.

    It’s the products, the images, it’s the reviews, the stars, the ratings, whether it’s a prime item or not.

    And then the purchasing system you’re trying to make purchasing as seamless as possible.

    And Amazon’s relentless focuses on reducing friction.

    In the purchase process, how can we make it so easy to buy something that you might just buy things accidentally? Right? You have one of these smart assistants on your desk, and by accident? You yell out something in the air? And he says, Sure, I’ll buy that for you.

    What things are you doing in your content marketing that align with those trends? Right? I’m talking for a while now mobility is one of the most impactful trends of the last 30 years, right? In 2007 Steve Jobs, releasing the iPhone change how people interact with the world, right? The accurate joke is that this thing is the remote control for reality.

    Right with this device, you can swipe right and have meals and food delivered and furniture and a date and medical tests you name it.

    That’s what consumers expect.

    So how does your content marketing fit into that? Is your content marketing so easy to consume that it’s act you know, it’s so good accidentally you just summon it, or someone have to go hunt it down? Right one of the biggest mistakes that content marketers have made over the last 10 years in particular is building their content on rented land like Twitter or Facebook or LinkedIn or any of these these social media services or publishing services.

    Because you have no control over the distribution mechanism.

    And as more and more of those services have focused on advertising revenue, and delivering better and better numbers to Wall Street, our content is being seen less and less, and it’s not being delivered to our consumers, they have to go get it.

    On the other hand, if you have something like text messaging, or slack or discord or an email marketing list, you’re still able to frictionlessly deliver your content to the intended audience.

    Now, they may or may not have time to read it.

    But if your content is high enough quality, they will invest the time for it.

    But if the barrier to entry is higher than ever to get it to them.

    You’re not in alignment with the trends that consumers inspect.

    Expect consumers want stuff handed to them, right people don’t want to think and they don’t want to work.

    us especially for entertainment, especially for education.

    They want things to appear instantaneously in front of them.

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    So that’s really, if there’s anything that’s majorly changed, it’s that people no longer feel the need to go out and get content.

    Right? The, they want to be able to subscribe to a show on YouTube or subscribe to a podcast or subscribe to a newsletter, and just have it appear, like, hey, notifications appeared new thing.

    Great, I can go consume my new thing.

    As marketers, we don’t have a lot of share of mind anymore.

    We don’t, there’s too many other things competing for our audience’s attention.

    Right? When this device holds all the world’s entertainment in the palm of your hand.

    The barrier to entry for us is getting a consumer to change their behavior.

    Getting consumer to do something different to proactively go and get content, as opposed to just having it delivered to them like it was an Amazon package.

    How far do you have to go to get something from Amazon to your front door? Right? You may not even need to put clothes on.

    I mean, you should but versus having to require somebody to get up, get in the car or get on the bus or the train or whatever, and go somewhere and get the thing.

    That’s what we’ve done with content marketing, by putting it in places like you know, Facebook, where a consumer has to remember to find us to look for us.

    It’s no different than search, right? A consumer has to search for us by name.

    We’re making them do a lot of work.

    How do we get to them in a way that precludes having them work? Right? That’s there when they want us there? It’s there before they want us there just moments before? You know you’re thinking about, gosh, what am I going to have for lunch today and the email arrives, or a text message goes off? Or an app notification goes off? That says hey, order from your local Chinese restaurant today? Here’s the manual.

    Here’s the special.

    And it’s timed using AI and predictive analytics and all sorts of cool data.

    So that the moment you’re thinking about Hmm, okay, and look, here’s an option.

    And I don’t have to think like, that sounds good.

    I’ll do that instead.

    Right? That’s how you win.

    Disney is the master of that when you go to someplace like the Magic Kingdom.

    And you take the operations tour, which is really cool.

    And you see the magic behind the scenes, like when and how audio is played and how it follows you through the park and how those magic bracelets work and how even the aromas that are put into the air are calculated to encourage sales of meals and foods.

    Some people will call it a manipulation it probably is.

    But I would say that is content being delivered to the consumer matched with their expectations exactly when the consumer wants it.

    Right.

    That’s the bar we all have to meet.

    So ask yourself, how well is your content distribution aligned to what the consumer expect? Is it mobile first? Is it proactive? So the consumer doesn’t have to think? Right? And is it frictionless where the consumer doesn’t have to work to get your content? If you’re not aligned with those three trends, your content market is going to suffer

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Lifetime Value of Content?

    You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Lifetime Value of Content?

    Will asks, “I’m currently thinking a lot about measuring the lifetime value of (blog) content. Curious how much you’ve looked into that and what your thoughts are on the value of that exercise.”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In today’s episode, we’ll ask I’m currently thinking a lot about measuring the lifetime value of blog content, curious how much you’ve looked into that and what your thoughts are on the value of that exercise.

    So lifetime value is really a is a good exercise, it’s a valuable exercise, you can look at.

    Built in measures like page value, Google Analytics, you can see what the value of any given page is, based on how many conversions it participates in, and what the value of those conversions are, where a lot of people run into trouble is because they don’t have conversions and conversion values set up, that data is not in the application, and then you don’t know how much it’s worth.

    But if you know, for example, that even in a B2B setting, if you know what the value of a marketing qualified lead is, or even a prospect is, then when you generate prospects on your digital property, you know what that’s worth, and then you put that in the system and the system goes through, and it creates those values for you those valuations for you.

    I think that’s a very valuable exercise to see what content participates the most in conversions, which is really what that tells you how this content participates the most in conversions, and therefore, you should focus on it.

    And I think that’s the part that lifetime value exercises miss is, once the software or your computation method is done, you then have to figure out well, what do we do? Like what does this information tell us? What should we do next.

    And that the two things there that computation should do is one guide you to as to improving the value of that page by optimizing it some more, right? revamping it adding more content, if it’s appropriate, doing a lot of AV testing, or multi, multi objective optimization testing on the page with tools like Google Optimize, or Optimizely, or any of the AV testing tools that are out there, and to changing up your promotion strategy, right? If you have a page, say on your blog, that has an extremely high page value much higher than all the rest of pages on your blog, that should be at the front of the line for the recommendation engine, when somebody is on your blog, and they’re reading the you might also enjoy that most valuable page should be at the top of the you might also enjoy list, right? That page or collection pages should be featured in your emails, every single issue of your email newsletter, say, hey, some additional content you might like to read and you send more traffic to those valuable pages.

    In social media posts, those are the posts, those are the pages that you share more often.

    In case you missed it in case you missed it.

    Here’s this page that we know converts at a much higher value rate.

    running ads, you should be running ads to those pages and see if the traffic numbers hold.

    That’s one of the things that we do.

    I have a piece of software that that looks at a pages conversion efficiency, how many visits does it take to that page before somebody converts.

    And when I find pages that seem very efficient, and we run some marketing campaigns to those pages, get some extra traffic to them, and see if that conversion number holds, see if it continues to convert very efficiently.

    Or if it loses that because the analysis just showed what it was doing in the background, not when it was put in the spotlight.

    But that those exercises are what the real value of these lifetime value exercises are.

    The content itself, and the exercise itself doesn’t do anything.

    It doesn’t help you.

    If you don’t do something with the information afterwards.

    I would start with the built in page value exercises, I think those are perfectly fine calculations as a starting point.

    And you don’t need to install any additional software, you just need to use Google Analytics for that.

    Then consider up leveling to the more sophisticated stuff like we use machine learning to do the computations for the pages that most frequently assist conversions.

    And then that conversion efficiency analysis.

    And those are more sophisticated analytics techniques.

    But they’re better for helping us understand like yeah, this page is just not converting.

    Right.

    And if it’s a pillar content, you know, like

    Christopher Penn 4:39

    a page about data analytics on my company’s website and is just not converting that’s conversion efficiency is very low.

    It’s it’s ranking, the most valuable Pages Report is very low, then we know we’ve got a lot of work to do to fix up that page to get it to meet the expectations of both the search engine because a lot of the times it’s less searches A strong driver of content to those pages of traffic to those pages.

    And the user does it satisfy the users intent.

    And it has been my experience that pages that have very low conversion efficiency, it’s because they don’t satisfy user intent, a user gets that page expecting one thing, it’s something else totally different, and really was not what I wanted.

    And away they go.

    So make sure that you are clear as you do the exercises, what actions you will take, and what decisions you will make, based on the information you find.

    If you don’t have that written down, if you don’t, if you are not clear about those actions, those decisions, don’t bother with the analysis.

    Because it’s just going to waste your time.

    I am a big fan of a quote by Seth Godin, who says, you know, when it comes to analytics, if you’re not going to change what you eat, or how often you exercise, don’t get on the scale, right? Because your all that number is going to do is make you feel bad.

    And you’re not going to change your behavior.

    So you can’t you’re not going to make that number better.

    Right? So if you’re in house marketing strategies and tactics and things like that are not going to adapt based on data gathered, don’t gather the data, because it’s not going to change anything.

    Right? Instead, update your LinkedIn profile because that organizations do.

    Right? If you have people who are so data resistant and so analysis resistant, that they will not make decisions, when confronted with data that is unfavorable or whatever, that organization is going nowhere.

    Right.

    Any success it has is purely luck.

    So that’s what to do with that.

    So really good question.

    Really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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