Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Customer Experience

  • Mind Readings: Are You Serving Your Loyal Customers?

    Mind Readings: Are You Serving Your Loyal Customers?

    In today’s episode, you’ll discover the secret to long-term business success: prioritizing customer retention over acquisition. You’ll learn actionable strategies to reward your loyal customers and keep them coming back for more. I’ll share how to create exclusive content and experiences that foster a thriving community around your brand. Tune in to find out how to make customer loyalty your most powerful marketing tool!

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    “What about me?” This is a question I ask often; you probably ask this question often, too. When it comes to priorities from companies — acquisition versus retention — very often, acquisition gets most of the budget. That has an unfortunate side effect: we see companies bending over backward to entice new customers, while existing customers kind of get screwed — mistreated outright.

    Every time you get an email or an ad or a promotion, one that says, “Hey, there’s this new great thing! Get three months off, whatever,” and then there’s that asterisk at the bottom that says “new customers only,” you’re like, “What about me? Why don’t I get that deal when I’ve been a loyal customer?”

    The company is like, “Your customers only,” and you wonder why customers churn.

    In fact, I know plenty of people who just make a habit of flipping back and forth between companies as new deals occur. This company has an offer for the first three months free, then at the end of three months — yep — they cancel and they switch to the competitor and go back and forth. Boy, does that cost companies a lot of money. Boy, does that really diminish customer satisfaction when people are essentially just shopping around for the best deal because you’re not rewarding long-term customers.

    So, if you’d like a secret — a secret for long-term business success — if your acquisition budget is greater than your retention budget, flip that around. That’s it. That’s the secret: flip around the budget so that you’re doing more for the people who are already loyal to you than for the people who are just first in the door.

    What if you had discounts that increased the longer a customer was a customer? Maybe in year one, they get a 1% discount. After the first year of being a customer — after year two — a 2% discount; after year five, they get a 10% discount to thank them for being a customer that long. That comes out of your retention budget, which now should be larger than the acquisition budget.

    It doesn’t necessarily have to be money — although that certainly helps — but there are ways that you can reward people for their loyalty by making stuff just for them.

    I’ll give you a real simple, low-cost example:

    Marketers spend a lot of time creating content — acquisition-level content. We — you know, it’s the hero-hub-help model, making all this great content to try and capture search attention, capture social media attention, bring new customers into the funnel.

    What would it look like if you spent that amount of time creating loyalty content, creating retention content?

    What does retention content look like? Well, an easy example is anything that — any kind of thing that you sell: if it comes with a manual, then it probably needs some recipes. If you sell — if you sell a blender, the blender comes with recipes; that’s retention content because you’re telling people, “Here’s the thing that you already own. Let me show you how to make it more useful.” Here’s a phone; here’s the — you know, here’s some new apps that you should try out. Here’s a game you own; here’s some new things to explore in the game.

    It doesn’t — it’s not just B2C; it’s B2B, too. I’ll give you a real simple example: I run a Slack group for Trust Insights called Analytics for Marketers; we use it to stay in touch with our loyal community. There’s over 3,000 members there, and it’s a place we want people to come and hang out, but there’s got to be a reason — there has to be a reward for that loyalty. It can’t just be, “Hey, join the Slack group so I can pitch you stuff.” Nobody wants that.

    So, from time to time, we’ll publish stuff that you can’t get anywhere else as a gift to the people who are in that community, to stick with us.

    Yesterday, I shared a strategic marketing plan for podcasting. If you’ve got a podcast, this gigantic chart shows you all the different marketing options that you could do to build a podcast, to make it really grow. You’re not going to find that online; it’s nowhere else except in our Slack group.

    A couple of weeks ago, Google had that big SEO leak — you know, all these documents that came out about the way Google’s content warehouse works. I did a bunch of analysis and generative AI, and I published the results only in the Slack group — nowhere else online, you won’t find it anywhere else. We give that to our community first.

    Not true — we give it to our paying clients first. Paying clients get first dibs on anything, then our community, then maybe, or maybe not, the general public. That’s kind of the point, right?

    I did a version of my Unofficial LinkedIn Marketing Guide, based on the algorithm. There was a version that went to clients that was like, the best quality version — same for the Google SEO stuff. There’s a version that went to clients; it was the best possible version because it’s a hell of a lot easier to keep a client happy than it is to try and acquire a new one.

    If you do that — if you keep providing value to that client — then when it comes time for them to renew, or to become a customer again, or to buy something else from you, it’s not a — it’s not a hard proposition. Especially if you’re in a situation where you have things like renewals and recurring purchases, if someone subscribed to your streaming service, what rewards do you give them to stay a subscriber? Is it just new content? Is it — is there something that only long-time subscribers can get?

    Treat your loyalists better than you treat your outsiders, and in the long run, your marketing is going to flourish, your business is going to flourish. What things can you make that are so exclusive that people would tell their friends, “Oh yeah, you’ve got to be a member of this — this club, but you’ve got to stay a member because you don’t get it” — however long — if you get pushback from your company that loyalist marketing, retention marketing, isn’t hitting your acquisition KPIs, then it’s time to revamp those KPIs.

    Again, it’s a hell of a lot more expensive to acquire a customer than it is to retain one.

    So, whatever you can do with your community — we are in a situation now where audience and attention is the most valuable resource, other than money, that you can have as a marketer in business. There is so much AI intermediation in taking our relationship away from the customer. We’ve had this be the situation for the last decade in social media, where our reach keeps getting smaller and smaller. We’ve had it, to some degree, in search, as Google consumes more and more clicks.

    Now, with things like AI answers, we’re not even getting traffic, we’re not even getting awareness because Google is — is summarizing a bunch of results into a generic answer that doesn’t even surface our brand.

    So the only way that we get attention from people now is through:
    – Collaborations with others
    – Partnerships
    – Buying ads (which, that’s a whole other can of worms)
    – Doing such a good job with retention marketing that loyal customers can’t help but spread the word about what a good deal it is to be a customer, right? What a good deal it is to be a member of the club.

    So what are you doing to help people be a member of the club and see so much value that they can’t help but tell people, “Yeah, you’ve got to join this club. This is the place to be”? Give that some thought.

    Your retention marketing budget should be greater than your acquisition marketing budget because, in the long run, that’s how you’re going to defeat AI doing an end-run around you.

    That’s going to do it for today’s show. Thanks for tuning in! Talk to you next time. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already. If you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.
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  • You Ask, I Answer: Monthly Client Retainers for Long Term Projects?

    You Ask, I Answer: Monthly Client Retainers for Long Term Projects?

    Sarah asks, “How do you get clients to renew on a monthly basis when, at the same time, you need to convince them on the “long game” aspect of your effort with them as an agency?”

    You Ask, I Answer: Monthly Client Retainers for Long Term Projects?
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    In today’s episode, Sarah asks, How do you get clients to renew on a monthly basis when at the same time, you need to convince them on the long game aspect of your efforts with them as an agency? So that’s a good question.

    Um, the short answer is you have to be providing value at a level commensurate with the value asking from them.

    If you’re asking somebody to pay you monthly, you need to be delivering value monthly.

    Alright, if you’re asking someone to pay you annually, you need to be delivering value annually.

    If you need to be delivered, you need someone to pay you weekly, you need to deliver value weekly.

    So the big question is, can you take what you do? And break it up into milestones where people can see okay, this is the monthly milestone I see what I’m getting for my money.

    That’s fundamentally what when a client says, you know, I want to renew on on X basis, what they’re really saying is, I don’t trust you enough to just hand you a big pile of money, have you go away for six months and hope that we get something at the end of it? You have to figure out how to split up your value and deliver that value month over month so that there’s a reason for them to keep saying yes, when you have something that renews monthly, you are essentially pitching to win your business over and over again, every single month, you’re essentially saying, hey, I need to prove value to this customer this month, what have I given my customer this month, that’s helpful.

    One of the most straightforward tactics on this front is good reporting.

    Right, whatever it is, you do as an agency, your monthly reporting should demonstrate that value, right, it should showcase here’s what we see.

    Here’s the data that we’ve collected.

    Here are our insights.

    Here are our recommendations.

    Our next steps are timeframes.

    Here are the decisions we need you to make.

    Here are some advisory things that we see in your data that are not necessarily in our purview, but you might want to take care of, for example, with Trust Insights, we do a ton of reporting for our clients, I’m gonna why you should wear nadolol X consulting firm.

    And very often, they will be something in the data that I look at go Hmm, that’s weird.

    Let me bring that to somebody’s attention that this is one technology client, we kept seeing GitHub showing up over and over again, in their data as a referring traffic source.

    And I said, Well, clearly, this is a major community that you need to be paying attention to.

    When was the last time you took on a popular repo in your space and sponsored it and just say, Hey, we’re sponsoring this machine learning model for $10,000.

    So we’re gonna get our logo and our thanks from the creators in the in the checkout in the codes and repo for six months, whatever.

    It’s basically influencer marketing, right.

    Our remit as a consulting firm is not influencer marketing.

    Our remit is to tell clients what’s wrong with their data.

    But in seeing this data, we said, here’s an opportunity that we think might be worth investigating, right? So talk to your influencer marketing agency about a project like this.

    So we’re providing them

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    additional value on top of the value that they’re already contracted to get, because we see it in their data.

    And so even though it may take months to, to help them get their data squared away, get their infrastructure squared away, we can find relatively easy wins along the way to say, hey, this might be a good thing to do.

    Right, the data suggests this is an audience to pay attention to this is a group of people to pay attention to this is an individual to pay attention to, here’s a YouTube channel that’s worth looking at whatever the case may be.

    Finding that information out helps to provide value.

    Maybe you’re an SEO firm, and you see, hey, there’s some search trends here that are interesting.

    Here’s a content calendar, go, go try building content around this.

    Maybe you’re an email marketing firm, and you’re and you notice, hey, this set of links in your newsletter gets way more clicks than we thought it would.

    Maybe you need to build some blog content around that.

    Maybe you’re an ad agency, and you’re running ads and you keep seeing this one competitor.

    This is trouncing everybody and you’ll look at their ads and go hmm, there’s some really good ideas in here that maybe you know we could help our client put their own unique spin on to to win some business.

    Whatever it is you do There are opportunities if your eyes are open to say, Hmm, there’s something of interest here that’s not within our remit.

    And it may not even, it may not be an upsell for you, it may just be like, Hey, pay attention to this.

    But in doing so you’re providing value to your client, when they would benefit from it most.

    So how do you get clients to renew on a monthly basis provide the monthly value.

    If you’re not, they’re not going to renew because when you are dealing with a client, that’s renewing month to month, you are selling month to month, you are re winning the business month to month and that’s a challenging position to be in.

    But it’s an important one.

    Because you you essentially are showcasing that your value is so good that you’re willing to go month to month with a customer to say like, yeah, we are so confident that what we have to offer is useful that we’re willing let you walk away.

    Anytime after 30 days.

    That’s a pretty bold statement.

    So good question.

    We could spend a whole lot of time on client retention and things and maybe that would be a good topic someday.

    But it always comes down to value.

    What are you doing for the client that makes them say, I’m really glad I’m paying you money? Hey, if I gave you more money, what else could you do for me? Right? That’s, that’s the question you want your clients asking all the time.

    So make sure you’re providing enough value that that question is kind of bothering them in the back of their head say what if I gave them more money? What would happen? So good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • Sometimes The Customer Is Dangerously Wrong

    Sometimes The Customer Is Dangerously Wrong

    “The customer is always right.”

    For over a century since Harry Gordon Selfridge coined it, we’ve been stuck with this platitude, and it can be dangerously wrong for the health of our businesses.

    It had its place. After all, businesses even today are insanely self-centered, and tend to put themselves and their needs first before the customer. That’s bad business, and no one disputes that who cares about the customer experience and wants to succeed long-term. Reminding people of it with this platitude did serve a role, but as a guide, not an ironclad rule.

    The Great Resignation highlights this shortcoming in our thinking, this tendency to take a guide and turn it into an immutable truth. As business managers, executives, and owners, we’ve given lip service – and lip service ONLY – to the platitude that our most valuable asset is our employees.

    Except we don’t treat them that way, do we? If they were our most valuable asset, we would not permit bad customers to treat our employees the way they do sometimes. These days, there are many, many occasions where the customer is not only wrong, but dangerously wrong. Is it all customers? No. But you don’t need all customers to act like jerks to ruin the employee experience. It’s like poison – you don’t need to drink a gallon of cyanide – just a little bit will do.

    What is our most valuable asset? Based on the way too many companies behave, it’s simply profit, gross revenue. That’s the true priority of many companies. And just as “the customer is always right”, there’s logic to profit as a key priority – a company that doesn’t earn profits goes out of business quickly.

    Here’s what we have to do, for those of us in decision-making roles: either act like employees are our most valuable assets and protect them from bad actors, or be truthful and stop saying our employees are our most valuable asset.

    If we choose to really prioritize employees as our best assets, then we have to change how we think about training and compensation for customer-facing employees. We have to acknowledge that sometimes, not only is the customer wrong, the customer is dangerously wrong.

    What does adapting to this new reality look like for all customer-facing employees?

    • Proper pay for higher levels of risk
    • Proper non-violent crisis intervention training
    • Proper tools and staffing to immediately deal with escalated situations
    • Proper mental health, therapy, and counseling benefits for employees

    None of this should be a surprise; we pay employees more to deal with higher risk situations in other industries. We pay more to firefighters when they have to take on special training to deal with things like nuclear and chemical fires. We pay more to waste disposal professionals to deal with toxic and biological hazards. We hire extra security guards to deal with more dangerous situations. We set up additional counseling resources for employees after traumatic events. But instead of these being one-off instances, we have to make them more standardized.

    If we want to continue delivering a great customer experience, we need employees who are trained and paid to deal with higher risk situations, and have the tools and access to resources needed to defuse those situations or deter them. We’ll retain our best staff that way and create an environment that ultimately leads to a better customer experience, too – and from that comes the profits our businesses need.

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  • Options for Constructing Customer Monitoring Systems

    Options for Constructing Customer Monitoring Systems

    One of the pieces of advice I give frequently is to keep an eye on, to listen to your best customers. What are they saying? What’s on their minds? What do they care about, and how well aligned are you to it?

    For example, during contentious times, you may want to pause some social media activity as part of your crisis communications response plan. How do you know when to turn things back on? When your monitoring system lets you know that the crisis period has abated, you know it’s time to resume business as usual.

    So, what are some options for building customer monitoring systems? Let’s look at five solutions, in order of increasing complexity and cost.

    Simplest Monitoring Solution: Twitter Lists

    By far the easiest, a Twitter list helps you get a snapshot of what your customers are saying in bite-sized chunks.

    Twitter Lists

    It’s straightforward and simple, with a couple of catches.

    First, you have to manually check it. There are no reminders or alerts. Second, your best customers may not be on Twitter, or may not be active on it. Bear in mind as well that you’re monitoring for both individual people and brands, so be sure to add both to your lists.

    Basic Monitoring Solution: Talkwalker Alerts

    Want something more comprehensive than Twitter? Talkwalker’s free Alerts service (an improvement over the once-useful Google Alerts) provides exactly that – news and alert monitoring.

    Talkwalker Alerts

    Talkwalker Alerts are sent either by email or RSS feed, and you construct them using the same Boolean search syntax you use for Google searches. You’re limited to 10 clauses/operators in your searches, so if you’ve got a lot of customers and brands to monitor, you’ll need to set up multiple searches.

    If you want to see how I set this up integrating it with Slack and/or Feedly, watch this video.

    Inexpensive Monitoring Solution: Brand24

    Need something with an interface and some basic analytics? Brand24 is a news and monitoring system that has a simple, easy-to-use interface and solid monitoring capabilities.

    Brand24 monitoring system

    Featuring multiple media types and the ability to both isolate and download data, Brand24 provides you a reasonably thorough view of what your customers have going on. Monitoring systems like this give you the ability to dig in, set up multiple alert types, and export data for analysis.

    Brand24 pricing begins at US$49/month and gives you a rolling 30-day window of data.

    Robust Monitoring Solution: Talkwalker Pro

    Talkwalker offers a pro version of its monitoring service that to me is best-in-class. They support robust, rich data downloads and have tons of pre-built apps and systems you can use to monitor customers.

    Talkwalker Pro

    Powerful visualization and analysis tools help you dig into not only what your customers are saying or doing, but also identifying who is amplifying and spreading their messages. For monitoring what your best customers are doing, saying, and interacting with, there’s no better solution.

    Talkwalker Pro pricing begins at US$750/month and gives you up to 13 months of back data.

    Most Complex Monitoring Solution: Custom Build

    Depending on your needs, you may have to build your dream solution. For example, all monitoring services place restrictions on how much Twitter data you’re permitted to download each day. If you need every and any Tweet on a specific topic, you’ll have to build your own server and extract the data from Twitter’s Streaming API. Almost all services are restricted in the kinds and types of data you’re allowed to download from Facebook, so you may have to custom-code your own solutions there as well if there are very specific types of data you need access to.

    The advantage of custom builds is your software does exactly what you want it to, subject to the technical and policy limits of your data sources. The disadvantage is that you have to write and maintain your own software.

    Customer Monitoring Systems Roundup

    So, there you have it – five different solutions based on your needs, complexity, and cost. Which one is right for you depends on how much you’re willing to invest and what your data needs are.

    FTC Disclosures

    Talkwalker provided me with a free account for evaluation and review purposes. Talkwalker is also a business partner of my company, Trust Insights.

    Brand24 provided me with a free account for evaluation and review purposes. Brand24 is an affiliate of my company, Trust Insights, and a portion of any purchase is paid to Trust Insights as a commission.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Microsoft Clarity vs. Google Analytics?

    You Ask, I Answer: Microsoft Clarity vs. Google Analytics?

    Caroline asks, “What’s better than Google Analytics to measure what your visitors are actually doing when on your website?”

    I’ve been playing with the new Microsoft Clarity recently, and it’s not, despite what people say, a Google Analytics killer. It’s a Hotjar killer, or at least a worthy competitor – and it’s free. Watch the video for an introduction.

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    In today’s episode, Karolina asks what’s better than Google Analytics to measure what your visitors are actually doing? When on your website, there’s a ton of really good software packages out there that do stuff like this.

    There’s click tail, there’s Crazy Egg, Lucky Orange.

    But the one that I’ve been playing with most recently, that does a really good job, keeps it simple.

    And is also free, is from this little company you might have heard of called Microsoft, they released this package called Microsoft clarity that a lot of people, when it first was announced, we’re incorrectly comparing it to Google Analytics, calling it a Google Analytics killer.

    It’s not, it is a very different application than Google Analytics.

    What it is, is a hot jar killer, or at the very least a worthy competitor to all those different companies I just mentioned.

    A because it’s Microsoft.

    So you know that, you know, while the product itself could be discontinued, the company’s probably not going anywhere.

    And be it’s very, okay to complain about that.

    So what is this thing? And how do we use it with our website? Let’s go ahead and move things around here.

    Okay, so what you’ve probably noticed in Google Analytics is that there’s actually not a whole lot of useful stuff in Google Analytics for looking at your site, what you need is something that can track the interactions that users are having on your site.

    So that’s where clarity comes in, setting it up, very straightforward.

    It is like every single other tracking program, is you just put your tracking pixel on your site, I used Google Tag Manager to do it.

    And it was pretty straightforward.

    Let’s go ahead and connect my site here.

    And I’ve got my Google Analytics integration there.

    Now, let’s go to the dashboard and see what this does.

    You do get some basic analytics, and that’s nice.

    You can see, you know, sessions and things like that.

    But again, there’s no things in here better specify like goals, and goal completions and all that stuff, you’re not going to get that level of detail.

    What you do get, though, is a lot of UI stuff, user interface stuff, dead clicks, where people are clicking on parts of the page that they think should do something and don’t, you get rage clicks, which I appreciate people just rapidly clicking on the same space, excessive scrolling.

    These are good indicators that people are lost, right? There’s something wrong with your site.

    And then you get to scroll down and see pages that people have gotten back on page with the JavaScript errors that you might want to fix up.

    Like, all the other user experience tools, you get recordings and heat maps.

    So recordings are pretty straightforward.

    You go in, you tap on the recording, and then you get to watch somebody navigating your website and see what it is that they do.

    And this will give you hints, you know, for example, like, Oh, this person, maybe isn’t reading the first part of the article and things like that, by skip forward here.

    There.

    What are they doing? Oh, they’re trying to copy and paste, it looks like, yep, they’re trying to copy and paste text from my site.

    That’s interesting.

    And then, in addition to recordings, of course, get the heat maps, right, where are people clicking on your page and get a chance to see those clicks, what people are doing on your site? Let’s go back to our dashboard here.

    As far as I can tell, there aren’t any significant limits or restrictions yet, but even if they were just out of the box, this isn’t bad, right? It’s simple.

    Its straightforward.

    It tells you very quickly, hey, there’s either things wrong with you, or there’s not.

    I’m not terribly concerned about the dead click stuff, as we were seeing, just now, people were actually trying to copy and paste text, which is interesting.

    I think I’ll just give some thought about about that.

    And then things like JavaScript errors, okay.

    That’s something I need to fix.

    Right? If there if people are running into issues on my site where JavaScript is spinning up on them, I probably need to go ahead and do some investigation and tune that up.

    Again, with any of these diagnostics, you can either click in on just that part of the audience, right? You can see like 15% of those people who had JavaScript errors have chrome issues, or were in Chrome.

    Let’s go ahead and look at Safari, Apple users only had 8% of that.

    So Safari fares a little bit better.

    But this is a really handy tool.

    Now here’s the catch with a tool like this.

    It as with everything is spitting up a lot of information.

    So the number one thing we have to do is be very clear.

    What is it that we’re trying to find out? Are we trying to find out that conversions are down on a specific page If so, you know, find that page and our list of pages Or just use the filters to identify which particular pages you might want.

    And you can see there’s tons and tons of different filters you can use.

    Are we looking for user experience problems? are we dealing with a retention problem where people are leaving quickly? For example, we have this quick box here where it is people who navigate to a page and then left quickly.

    Okay, let’s take a look at that.

    What pages are they? To start with? And then you can watch the recordings and say, Ah, you know, they either based on what they’re doing on screen, they either data they didn’t find what they were looking for.

    So with a tool like this, we’ve got to be clear about what it is that we want to know.

    And what it is that what our goal is, what decisions we’re going to make, because it’s a fun tool, right? You can spend a lot of time in here, because it wastes a lot of time.

    And if you don’t have time to waste, have to be very clear about what decision you want to make.

    When you look at each of these things.

    What is the decision that is in here? Dead clicks? Right? Your decision you’re trying to make is, do I need to add navigation to my site? because something is unclear, right? Do I need to change the formatting to make it clear what the clickable objects are and what are not? A lot of sites tend to like to, you know, change the color or or mask the color of hyperlinks, okay, maybe that’s not the best idea if you’re getting a lot of dead clicks.

    And in order to understand that, and this is where this product can run into trouble, we need to understand the priority of the pages we should be looking at and what issues those pages have.

    So let me give you an example.

    Let’s put in our URL, newsletter.

    Okay, we’re gonna apply that.

    And this is my newsletter page, right? Six of the six of these.

    Let’s click on that.

    Now.

    This is the landing page, right? This is therefore very important page to my site.

    I want to very specifically look at this page and go Hmm, are there things here that I should be worried about that are blocking conversion.

    But if I didn’t know that this tool would not tell me that I needed to be looking at this particular landing page.

    So you’d want to know that going into this, hey, we’ve got a landing page conversion problem, maybe there’s something that we can take a look at in here that tells us our landing pages are running into trouble to get to that conclusion into work in the in Google Analytics data that will help you understand Okay, these are the priority pages to investigate, then come into clarity and say, Now let’s investigate those pages to understand why things are happening.

    It’s sort of like a essentially watching a focus group, right? Or a one on one user interview.

    You can see why they’re doing the things they’re doing on that page.

    But analytics will tell you what pages to look at.

    Because otherwise, you’ll waste hours in here by just clicking around with no clear conclusions.

    So to answer Carolyn’s question, what’s better than Google Analytics for actually on your website, Microsoft clarity.

    As long as you don’t have any administrative or legal or regulatory, regulatory restrictions on installing it, I would go ahead and install give it a spin.

    It doesn’t cost you anything.

    setting it up is as simple as setting up any other tool.

    And I think it’s a nice complement to Google Analytics.

    I think, especially since Google took away you know what little click tracking they had, I think this is a great companion to Google Analytics, and use both of them get follow up questions, leave in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Brand Trust?

    You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Brand Trust?

    Stephanie asks, “When it comes to building trust, how do we know what success looks like? How can we measure it?”

    Trust is a tricky thing to measure because it’s such a core of emotion. If you examine emotional theory, especially things like Plutchik’s wheel of emotions, trust is a fundamental survival emotion. How do you measure a survival emotion?

    • Consider surveying – do you trust this brand, do you see it as a friend, do you feel this brand directly supports you and the things you believe in, will this brand do right by you if something goes wrong?

    • Examine branded organic search for the bigram frequencies around your brand – trusting words versus disgust words, which are the antithesis of trust

    • Look at social interactions – if something negative about your brand comes up, who supports you and how quickly

    • Perform sentiment analysis on interactions with the brand, especially customer service interactions

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    In today’s episode, Stephanie asks, When it comes to building trust, how do we know what success looks like? How can we measure it? Well, trust it, trust is a tricky thing to measure, because it’s such a fundamental core emotion.

    If you look back at psychology, and how different frameworks have come up to even understand the emotions, there are all these different models that you can use to try and figure out, like, what even an emotion is, and how it relates to important things like say survival.

    Trust is one of those fundamental things.

    So this is a model here, this is Robert politics, wheel emotions, you can see that in that first, concentric ring trust is on there, it’s a no six expressed by admiration, it’s opposed by disgust.

    And fundamentally, trust is one of those things is like, how do you how do you explain it? In that same thesis, he proposed that each of these core emotions has a basic survival advantage, right.

    disgust is something that happens when we ingest something that doesn’t taste good, and we spit it out, we believe, because we perceive it as poisonous, right? And trust is the opposite of that we see somebody who’s a member of our group, a member of our tribe, they’re our friend.

    And so our our action is literally to defend that person to recruit them for mutual support to help us survive.

    When you consider that that particular survivalist instinct, how does that play out when it comes to something like a brand? Oh, think about what you would expect someone to be able to say about a brand they trust.

    And the gold standard here for figuring this out for measuring this will be serving, asking people at all different stages of the customer experience.

    So surveying for at the awareness stage, for trust based questions, consideration, purchase, loyalty, evangelism at all, throughout the customer experience cycle, asking people questions, like, Do you trust this brand? Do you see it as as a friend as friendly to you? Do you believe that the brand will do right by you if something goes wrong? Right? Do you believe that the brand supports you and the things that you believe in? Do you believe that there’s a mutual support relationship? in place, there are some brands where people feel based on their interactions with the brand, though Yes, this brand will support me and this brand has supported me.

    And that can be anywhere from things like donating to specific causes, to just having working customer service, right, having a customer service department that will not make you feel like an idiot.

    All those would be things that you’d want to surface within serving, and that is still the gold standard for understanding how people feel about a brand.

    There are other things that you can do that, I would say you treat as secondary data sources, because again, the gold standard is still serving is just asking people how they feel around those trust based questions or, again, the polar opposite.

    On that we’ll have emotions, asking people about disgust based questions, things that interactions they’ve had that were negative, how many of them have they had because as everybody knows, it really only takes one screw up for a brand to to completely ruin the relationship you have with that one bad judgment call.

    I was talking with my business partner and co founder Katie robear, about one technology brand that at a conference hired an absolutely awful speaker, just terrible judgment call.

    And that has forever corrupted her feelings about that brand that brand has no chance to ever impress to work past that without like serious substantial personal interaction.

    And that’s a big part of this equation as well is in trust, because we are taking the action of friending somebody right of bringing them into our group of asking them for mutual support.

    It’s not something that the brand can do easily at scale, but is absolutely something that occurs at one to one interactions with the brand.

    So if you are spending a million dollars on this branding campaign, but you’re still paying a minimum wage or less to yours customer support team and they deliver an abuse of experience.

    You’re achieving no ground, right because that one to one interaction is how this survival instinct works.

    Now there are other things that you can use to measure this.

    So you could examine for example, branded search for by Graham frequencies to word combinations around your brand, if the number of people searching for you know your company name and scam or socks, or whatever comes up a lot, guess what, you’ve got a problem, right? You have a substantial problem, particularly if it’s around.

    Again, customer support issues.

    Looking at trust words, looking at discussed words, what are the how often those do those co occur in branded organic search, assuming someone’s searching for your brand at all, looking at social interactions, particularly social media, if something negative about your brand comes up, who supports you and how quickly right now, this isn’t not something I get this is good secondary research, because you don’t want to create a negative event just to see who pops out of the woodwork, that’s not a good idea.

    But if it’s happening anyway, use the data.

    And most importantly, be performing sentiment analysis on interactions with your brand, especially again, customer service interactions, you should be minding your customer service inbox, and looking at, again, trust words and disgust words.

    The frequencies of each the the valence or intensity of each.

    In every single email you get in every phone call, you get near Customer Service Center and every interactive chat log be scoring those intakes.

    And asking people those the questions if you can, if not just be doing the sentiment analysis, the natural language processing on those interactions, to understand how much trust or disgust is there in every single interaction.

    That is actually something that would fairly closely resemble in NPS score in some ways, and just having a composite number, and tracking it over time, how much how much of our communications had an overall valence of trust, particularly if you’re able, if you have the technology to break an interaction into thirds, and then measure the trust in the in thirds of beginning, middle and end did trust go up or down in those interactions.

    But fundamentally, go back to the basic surveying.

    And that can be surveys with a market research firm.

    It can be surveys at point of purchase or post purchase.

    It can even be surveys on your website.

    But be asking people consistently those questions like do you see this out? The brand as a friend does? Do you feel supported by us? What would you what would make you feel supported by us? What would increase your trust in us that we would do the right thing by all those questions, workout with your your marketing team workout with us.

    You’re someone on staff who has psychology experience, to better understand how to phrase those questions to get the answers you want.

    Hire a good market research firm.

    But that’s how you measure, measure.

    And then, as with all measures, you’re looking for more of what you want and less of what you don’t want.

    So again, going back to Dr.

    Politics real we’ll have emotions.

    You want more trust, you want less disgust.

    The same is true for all the emotions on there.

    You want more joy and less, you know, anger and sadness.

    Pretty straightforward stuff.

    Be careful with emotion analysis.

    be thorough, and especially be looking for bias when you’re asking these questions because it’s super easy to go wrong on those fronts.

    And again, you should have somebody with psychology experience working with you to tune those things and some good market research experience to tune those things with you.

    Make sure you’re asking fair, balanced, unbiased questions that will give you accurate diagnostics.

    Really good question a lot to dig into here.

    You got follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Why Map Customer Journeys?

    You Ask, I Answer: Why Map Customer Journeys?

    John asks, “If the customer journey is different for every person, why bother trying to map it?”

    The presumption is that the customer journey is a wide open field of possibilities, when it’s more like a densely wooded forest. There are a limited number of rational pathways to conversion, and mapping both the probability and the journey itself – especially today – is worth doing. Watch the video for some examples.

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    In today’s episode, John asks if the customer journey is different for every person, why bother trying to map it? So that’s a good question.

    Because it is true that customer journeys, maps, and customer journeys do have all these different ways people can take towards conversion and trying to force people down a rigid funnel, where they must do each step in sequence is nowadays largely a futile effort.

    Now the reason for that is pretty simple.

    It has a lot to do with this thing.

    You can be in multiple stages of different journeys just within a single device.

    I have seen people back when you were allowed to go shopping at malls and stores, talking to friends on their phones, video chatting with them, and having you know holding a piece of merchandise asking their opinions and having them do some research on Their own.

    And you know, that person for one vendor is at a certain point in the journey and another vendor is at a different point in the journey.

    And so it can be a very complex thing.

    You can be at points in the customer journey and move backwards, right? So real simple example, you’re, you’re looking at a new device or some new gadget, and you’re at the consideration phase, like, wow, this this thing looks really good, looks really cool.

    And then you read a review of it, like, ah, actually got really bad reviews.

    And you go back to like the research phase, right? And so you can be, you can move forwards and backwards and inside of a customer journey.

    Now, that said, that is at the individual level.

    The presumption in the question is that a customer journey is a wide open field of possibilities, and you can move any direction you want, you know, it’s like being in a video game, right? You can go anywhere you want, and there’s no clear direction that somebody goes and that’s not true.

    When we think about customer journeys, there is there are a limited number of ways you can rationally buy a product, right? There’s a limited number of opportunities.

    There’s a limited number of just ways you can do that.

    It’s kind of like we talked about in the martial arts a lot.

    Yes, every single person is different.

    Yes, there are hundreds of martial art styles.

    But in the end, there’s only so many ways you can punch somebody in the face that aren’t that are logical and rational, right and effective.

    And so, with customer journeys, the exact same thing is true.

    There are only so many rational reasonable ways that you can take towards conversion and that is something that you can understand in the aggregate.

    There’s an apocryphal tale of a university and I someplace supposedly in the Midwest, I’ve never actually got an answer as to whether this happened or not.

    But it seems reasonable.

    And the story goes, they did not put down any sidewalks on new campus lets students walk everywhere they wanted for a year and then paved over the most warm pathways in the grass.

    And supposedly the campus feels more natural.

    Well, extending that logic to customer journeys, if you were to know how somebody traversed either your website or how somebody traversed all the channels that are out there, towards conversion, you looked at the most walked on ones, you might get a sense of, hey, here’s how people make the journey to conversion.

    And there’s a couple different ways you can illustrate this.

    Let’s actually go ahead and bring this up here.

    So this is a customer journey analysis.

    This is a very simplistic one, where we are just looking at the channels that lead to conversion the most.

    So in this chart here we see organic search for my website drove almost 80% of traffic.

    Now, there are some debates.

    I think it’s a reasonable questions I should be asking my website if this was a major commercial enterprise, I would be at substantial risk because 80% of our traffic comes from one source That’s not a good thing.

    Good definitely did diversify my traffic sources.

    But putting that aside, I see my newsletters as number two, medium calm and number three, Twitter at number four, and Bing and number five.

    So I have five of the most popular pathways most popular channels that lead to conversion eventually.

    Now, is that the last thing that they did? No, not necessarily.

    But at least from here, I can see, these are the things that if I have to figure out how do I budget, how do I resource, what should I focus on if I want to double down on what’s working, in this case, pretty clearly I should be doing a lot more organic search.

    Right.

    Now if we wanted to make that even more fancy.

    This is a version where we have the exact same numbers but in software in web analytics software in particular.

    You can look at the the steps somebody takes on that Their journey and then just count up essentially, how many times does this appear? The first third of the journey, how many times has appeared in the second third of all those steps? How many times does appear in the last third.

    And what we see here is that organic search for me tends to peer towards the beginning.

    Whereas email and social tend to peer towards the end.

    And so people discover my site through search, stay in touch with email, and then come back to do important stuff through social media.

    That’s important that tells me from a messaging perspective Hey, your messaging on things like social media, it’s okay for you to have you know, more closing language in in my content because it tells me that people are ready or more ready to convert from those than they are from say, like organic search, or even email I have to give some thought here to my email marketing, should I be pressing that hard to get people to convert? Or should I be nurturing? The relationship with the intent of eventually using social media to get them to close.

    So these are two examples of customer journey maps that I built for my website.

    This is actually a service that I offer through my company Trust Insights.

    If you’re interested in having this done for your company, go to Trust insights.ai.

    I will tell you right now, it is reassuringly expensive.

    So it will do a good job of giving you the strategic blueprint you need for what’s working, and how it’s working.

    But to go back to John’s question, there are only a certain number of ways as you can see here, where people convert, right, that journey is not completely irrational, right? And there’s not traffic everywhere and people just wandering off on their own.

    There are distinct sequences that people take towards conversion and those distinct sequences are things that we can know and address and serve at 90 95% of our audience.

    serve them well.

    By investing properly by messaging properly in the channel groupings, where it makes sense to do so.

    And understanding what it is that we should be doing more of I should potentially be diversifying a bit, right? Maybe I should do a little bit more email, maybe I should try some ads.

    I am doing well, organic search, I need to continue to do well and stuff.

    So that want to double down on what’s working and want to shore up the stuff that isn’t working to the extent that we can.

    So that’s why you would do customer journey mapping.

    That’s why you bother trying to map it because it can give you aggregate insights that can guide your strategy.

    If you have follow up questions about customer journey mapping, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • 5 Takeaways from Comcast CX Technology Day

    5 Takeaways from Comcast CX Technology Day

    I had the opportunity to attend Comcast’s CX Technology Day at the invitation of Jay Baer and the team at Convince and Convert. CX Day is Comcast’s highlighting of what they’re working and some of the challenges they’ve overcome to improve their overall customer experience.

    1. In their digital transformation, which has been and will continue to be a massive, multi-year process, their biggest gap has been on the process side. The technology hasn’t been nearly as much of an issue as getting 60,000 people to follow standard processes.
    2. Charlie Herrin, Chief CX Officer, had an interesting insight on chatbots.
    3. Lisa Blackshear, SVP Comms and Digital Media, said that social has become their early warning system, letting them know of issues well before they hit the call center – and that social scales much better than phones.
    4. Speaking of phones, Tom Karinshak, EVP Customer Service, said that in measuring customer satisfaction using NPS scores, the biggest increase was offering customers a choice other than calling support. Turns out very few people want to talk on the phone – especially if other options work better.
    5. The most interesting session of the day was on how callbacks to customers are mandatory for all employees – even developers and project managers – to see how their work is received.

    They’ve still got a long way to go; one of the interesting things Jay had to say is that brand reputation is a decade cycle, meaning that it takes a decade of mostly positive experiences to teach a new generation of customers that the reputation of the company from the past isn’t its present. My thanks to Jay and the C&C team for inviting me to participate.

    FTC Disclosure: Comcast paid for me to attend CX Technology Day. No other compensation was included, and neither Comcast nor Convince & Convert required me to create content about CX Technology Day or provided messaging for the content above and beyond what was presented.

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    In today’s episode, I had the opportunity to attend the Comcast, CX technology day at the invitation of Jay Baer and the team at Convince & Convert.

    CX state is Comcast sort of event highlighting what they’re working on.

    And some of the challenges that they’re working to overcome to improve their overall customer experience, which, as you know, from two seconds of googling is not great.

    And there were five key takeaways I thought were interesting from the day that are more broadly applicable to everyone in all of our businesses, number one, in their digital transformation and trying to adapt to where customers are and where customers want to communicate with them.

    The digital transformation has been mostly focused on process.

    So there’s three parts to digital transformation people process technology, right HJ limits 1964 framework, which we’ve been listening to consultants talk about for six decades.

    And for Comcast, in particular, the biggest gap has been on the process side of a company put together by more than 30 acquisitions and things has enormous challenges making process standardized.

    Technology has not been the issue, getting 60,000 people to follow the same playbook, significantly, a tougher challenge.

    So I thought that was interesting.

    In our own work in digital transformation, in your work at your company, recognizing that process is probably the thing that will be most difficult for a an otherwise, good company.

    Pay for a company that’s not filled with malevolent actors or completely broken Technology processes the toughest part.

    The chief customer experience officer, Charlie Herrin had an interesting insight on Chatbots.

    So number two, he said that Chatbots are a bridge technology between old fashioned call centers, and what will eventually be fully automated, at least first level of support for customers using using voice, but driven by AI.

    And those are really useful insight because a lot of folks are sort of putting a big stake in the ground on Chatbots and how they’re the next thing.

    But yet when you look around at our all of our lovely, you know, smartest systems and things that that are on our desks, in our kitchens, on our phones and mobile devices, and you look at where Google’s going with things like Burt and its natural language queries.

    We really are focused on voice and voice interfaces even to things that have screens.

    And so Charlie’s point that Chatbots Our bridge technology is sort of a stopgap measure.

    I thought it was useful, a useful insight to say like yet don’t invest in them, get good at them, use them to train your team on better natural language processing, but don’t bet the farm on them.

    Because in the next couple of years, they will evolve especially as we get more and more and better and better natural language processing technology.

    Number three, Lisa Blackshear, who was the SVP of comms and digital media said that social media for them has really become an early warning system, letting them know have issues before they hit the call center and first your support.

    And obviously, because of that social media scales much better than phones.

    Comcast says something like 50 million customers, and the social media support team is only about 400 people.

    That’s a lot of people to manage.

    Certainly it’s more than the 13 they had a few years ago but It when you consider just how well that system scales.

    again for your own company, there are plenty of tools that can help you listen and scale and deliver better service through where customers are.

    And if you can build those early warning systems, you can potentially head off much larger issues.

    Speaking of phones, the VP of customer service Tom encouraged economic pronouncing his name correctly, said that in measuring customer satisfaction they they measure on NPS scores.

    The biggest increase that they saw double digit increases was offering customers a choice other than calling support.

    Turns out that not as many people want to talk to phone support, especially if they’re going to be on hold for a while.

    Are their options do work better.

    So when we think about our own companies, and how do we take those all these technologies Chatbots SMS, Facebook Messenger Whatever the the tool is slack is that where our customers want to be? And are we prepared to meet them there? The tough question.And five, the most interesting session of the day I thought was on Callbacks.

    So one of the things that they do that’s mandatory for all employees, top to bottom is they require them to call back customers, even folks who are not in a, any kind of customer service roles, developers and project managers.

    And what was interesting about that was they do that to see to show employees how their work is being received by the marketplace.

    If you’re a developer and you’re working on the x one interface, and you’re making change to the changes to the UI.

    It’s not a bad thing for that person to see.

    Oh, this is what people actually think of the thing and getting that feedback directly from the customer.

    That is something that way too many companies do not do in any capacity.

    And it would be who Companies, particularly a product based company, to have your product developers, your project product and project managers, the people who make the thing, but don’t necessarily have to support the thing to to be in that role in that customer service role.

    And then that having a conversation with the customer about how the product is working for them, because you get the unvarnished feedback from the customers saying, Yeah, I hate this thing, this thing doesn’t do this, let’s do this.

    And when you have the ability to have 60,000 people reach out and say, Hey, how’s it working? How’s it going? You’re going to get a lot of useful data.

    Now, one thing I thought was interesting was that the company doesn’t use like 90% of its data above and beyond diagnostics did to know something’s wrong.

    But there are tremendous opportunities for a company like that and your company to to use even relatively mundane data for things like machine learning and and predictive analytics.

    Real simple example.

    From from the day, we were talking about the use of their systems and hotel rooms.

    If you had a building with 500 of these set top boxes and these these fancy remotes, you can tell usage levels within that building.

    If you can tell usage levels, then you can predict future usage levels, which means that for someone who operated a hotel, for example, they could actually use that data to forecast the likelihood of of guests.

    Combine that with things like electricity usage, plumbing usage, etc.

    And you could build very sophisticated models that could probably reasonably accurately forecast when your volume is going to change that would change your staffing, change your marketing, change your budgets.

    And so I think there’s a tremendous opportunity for any company that has operational data to turn that data into something more useful than just diagnostics.

    Now Comcast itself has got a long way to go.

    One of the interesting things that Jay had to say at the start of one of the panels is that brand reputation is a decade long cycle, meaning it takes a full decade of mostly positive experiences to teach a new generation of customers that the way things were that company, the company’s past, reputation is not the present.

    And 20 seconds in Facebook search or Google search or Twitter search will reveal that there’s still a long way to go for, for the team of Comcast, but what we saw they’re making the improvements that they need and putting the infrastructure in place to meet customers where they are some reason to be optimistic.

    They’re my thanks to Jay and the team at Convince & Convert, for inviting me to participate and look forward to other interesting insights into companies, particularly very large ones, and how they operate when they have many, many, many people and many different types of stakeholders to keep up As always leave your questions in the questions in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Preparing for Client Meetings?

    You Ask, I Answer: Preparing for Client Meetings?

    Amber asks, “How do you prepare for client meetings/calls when presenting deliverables? I tend to write down everything that I want to say as my thoughts get murky and I tend to stumble over my words. Is that juvenile? What is the best way to prepare?”

    A few steps make this easier over time. First, if you didn’t do the work yourself, that makes things substantially harder. Second, if you were disconnected from the work, that makes things nearly impossible. If you did the work, if you remember what you did, then you’re at a good starting place. Consider journaling while you’re doing the work, as questions and key insights pop up. Do what works for your learning and teaching style – everyone will be different. And learn the breath trick. Watch the video for more details.

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    In today’s episode, Amber asks, How do you prepare for client meetings or calls when presenting deliverables? I tend to write everything down that I want to say, as my thoughts get murky, and I tend to stumble over my words, is that juvenile? What’s the best way to prepare? There is no best way to prepare that is standard across people, right? It’s based on your learning style on your presenting style, and what works best for you.

    Now, a few things are going to make this easier over time.

    First, if you didn’t do the work yourself, that makes things harder, because you don’t necessarily know what exactly happened as the deliverables being produced.

    This is especially true with data, anything data related, you’ve got at least know the methodology that was used the techniques used to get the deliverable.

    Second, if you were disconnected from the work, that makes things almost impossible.

    Back in the old days, when I worked in the agency world, I would watch executives sometimes really badly stumble over stuff, because they were three or four, even five levels, steps removed in the work, you know, there’s the the executive, and then there was their director.

    And then there was their senior manager, there’s a manager and there was Senior Specialist, and that was a specialist in the specialist one doing all the work.

    And they would show up at these meetings and, you know, throw the deliverable on the table and be like, hey, here we are, and and the client would ask questions, and the executive could not answer them because they were so far removed from the work.

    So if you are doing the work great, if you are managing the work, make sure that you know what is being done.

    So that you have insight into the into how it was built, how it was done, whatever the deliverable is.

    That way, when the client asks questions, you’ll have good answers.

    Whether you’re doing or managing the work, consider journaling while you’re doing the work, taking notes as as questions and key insights pop up, because that will give you really good starting points of talking points when it comes time to present.

    One of the things to think about is, and this is where that higher education stuff comes in handy.

    What, what worked for you back in college or university, when it was time to prepare for an exam? Right? Are you the kind of person this comes? This is a lot of self awareness and knowing yourself, are you the kind of person who can cram for an exam the night before and do well on it? Or are you the kind of person that needs to be very methodical and take notes and build structures throughout the course and you can’t cram for an exam, know that about yourself, there’s no right or wrong about it.

    But it’s knowing that about yourself and the kind of person you are and what you’re learning and teaching approach and needs to be in order for you to succeed.

    I have seen many people try and figure that out for themselves.

    So whatever, whatever works for you.

    So some people, for example, when they’re taking notes, they need a digital app, other people like to do voice recordings, some people like to doodle and sketch, you know, whatever.

    If your employer is not mandating a certain methodology, then do what works best for you.

    That’s it, I would also experiment around a little because your learning style does change as you get older.

    Things that worked for you, in your early days will not work for you as well, in the middle of your career and at the sort of the peak of your career.

    Those things may indeed change again.

    When you’re putting together deliver the deliverable, one of the key things that not enough people do is looking at it from the client perspective, right, the clients going to ask a whole bunch of questions about this deliverable there going to ask what happened, right? This is especially true with reporting, what happened? Why? So what? What are we going to do about it? Those are the key questions that the clients going to ask you.

    As you’re assembling the deliverable.

    Mentally ask yourself these questions from the client perspective.

    Here’s a slide about this.

    So what here’s a campaign results.

    Okay, why did that happen? Well, why that happened? But why did that happen? And asking these kinds of questions and and noting down however you take notes, noting down your mental answers that help you prepare to deliver to the client, these are the things that have happened.

    That way, they feel like you were on top of the work itself, you know, what was going on, you know why those things happened? You were prepared.

    A lot of people do that wrong.

    A lot of people in the agency world haven’t tend to do that, you know, backup a truck for that deliverable on table, here it is.

    And then the clients like this, this isn’t helpful, right? This is this is a bunch of stuff on my desk, and that that’s the last thing in the world I want.

    So be able to put yourself in the clients shoes, and ask those tough questions, those uncomfortable questions.

    And if you are managing the work, and maybe you know, again, agency life, there’s a lot of conflicting priorities.

    Maybe you weren’t as closely connected, be ready with answers if they if the deliverable is probably not going to meet the client satisfaction is your firm prepared to compensate the clients some way.

    And I would suggest this is a very good test for your employer.

    If you did the work, according specification, the clients not happy.

    Who gets the blame, right? If the agency or the firm’s or the culture is such that you poop rolls downhill, and the person lowest on the totem pole gets, gets the blame, I’d be time to change firms, because what’s supposed to happen in good leadership is that the person at the top of the totem pole is the one who accepts the responsibility for for the problem.

    So that’s a fun way to know what kind of culture and finally when it comes to the presentation itself.

    If you know, if you’ve done the prep work, and you know what happened, you know why, you know, what the clients likely to care about.

    And you know what the next steps are? rehearse, just like public speaking, rehearse, have you and have a friend or colleague, rehearse the presentation, one of you be the client, one of you be the presenter and vice versa.

    And ask those tough questions.

    Put yourself in those uncomfortable situations so that you are ready and you’ve had the time for us.

    And it may not be something you can do during work hours.

    So hopefully you have a colleague at the office who is amenable to like a video call after hours.

    If you both care about it enough to want to do well at rehearsal.

    It’s just like public speaking.

    So do your rehearsals.

    Make sure that you feel comfortable or more comfortable with with those deliverables? Oh, the one last thing I would suggest is if you are stumbling over your words.

    Look in your speech patterns for arms and ahhs and ahhs and speech fillers and replace them with the breath.

    Because two things happen.

    One, it helps you settle more.

    And to you actually sound much, much smarter.

    So here’s an example.

    Doing this presentation, and this is thing, right? As opposed to we’re doing this presentation, and there’s this thing, it slows you down, but it changes how your words are received as well.

    So learn that little trick.

    It’s a fun public speaking trick that has multiple benefits.

    So great question important questions a lot to unpack in doing client presentations is a form of public speaking.

    And like all public speaking, know your material and practice your material a lot.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: IBM Courses for UX Designers?

    You Ask, I Answer: IBM Courses for UX Designers?

    Cristina asks, “Thank you providing an overview (in layman’s terms) of IBM’s free Cognitive classes which I stumbled across on their website during my job search. Would these classes be helpful to an aspiring UX designer?”

    UX design itself is one of those things that you want to be clear about doing. It’s different than graphic design or UI design, and more closely related to CX, or customer experience. In terms of courses, no. The courses you want to focus on are part of IBM’s Enterprise Design Thinking curriculum.

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    In today’s episode, Christina asks, thank you for providing an overview in layman’s terms of IBM free cognitive classes, which I stumbled across on their website during my job search.

    Would these classes be helpful to an aspiring UX designer? No.

    So let’s let’s unpack this.

    UX design itself is one of those things that you want to be clear and very intentional that you are doing.

    I’m sure you know this.

    But for those who have not spent a lot of time hanging out with various creative folks, UX is different than graphic design.

    It’s different than UI design.

    And it’s more closely related to CX or customer experience.

    So think of it this way.

    Graphic Design is the use of predominantly visual tools.

    Although there is such a thing as audio to I’m to give somebody to communicate information to somebody, it uses things like colors, and images and text and things.

    And you see it everywhere, right? You see it in everything that you read, you see it on every website, you go on, you see it outdoors, and billboards you see in thing even things like architecture, UI, or user interface is the specific subset of that for helping design, the way that an interface looks and the way that somebody would use it.

    Now UI and UX are somewhat are much more closely related.

    Some people use them interchangeably, but the user experience part typically has more strategy to it, and more focused on people and outcomes.

    Think about the old consulting saw people process platform where people process technology, UI focuses a lot on the technology.

    UX focuses on each of the three in a blend of how do we give the user of this thing, the best possible experience.

    And then cx explodes that to every aspect of the customer journey.

    So it’s not scope limited to say just the interface of a particular or the experience that a particular part of the customer journey delivers.

    Customer Experience covers the whole gamut from the moment you pick up the phone, to the moment that user is done with your product or service.

    In terms of IBM courses for UX, you definitely cognitive classes is good to see how coders and data scientists and folks are using the IBM tools and learning the tools to be able to create great outcomes.

    There is an entire design thinking a set of courses, some which are free, some of which are not free.

    from IBM, the practice you don’t want is free and the design thing for AI are free.

    So those two are, are free.

    And they’re excellent.

    I took and did the certifications for both of those, they were fantastic.

    Because they teach you IBM design thinking philosophy, which is their way, their specific way of doing it.

    And then you see applications of it.

    And the AI one is really powerful, because it’s spends a lot of time thinking about those human elements, those human outcomes, those business outcomes, what is a business problem to be solved, that artificial intelligence is useful for.

    And that’s different than just traditional user experience, because a substantial chunk of user experience in AI is going to be about the outcome, the data scientist and the AI engineer are going to go build and test and deploy machine learning models, inside of these elaborate systems.

    And inside the systems, then you don’t ever see there is no user experience in terms of what the user sees, the user sees nothing.

    They just know that it’s out there as sort of a black box, what the user does see is the outcome, here’s the result and see that dashboard, or it’s a model that’s in production, or it’s a mobile phone app, but whatever it is, the user doesn’t, doesn’t interact directly with the model for the most part.

    So design thinking for AI, which I think is like, again, it was one of the best courses I’ve taken on this talks about how do we think about the outcomes of our AI work in ways that are valuable, and that communicate that value effectively to the customer.

    So you can find that it’s ibm.com slash design.

    Slash thinking is where you can take those the practitioner badge and the AI badge.

    certifications are available for free.

    So take in and pass both of those.

    And this, I think, a really good principles that it when you go through the course, it’s interesting, because it’s not academically, all that complex, right.

    It’s not something that requires you to have like a PhD in mathematics to understand the principles of design thinking, What’s hard about it will be the application of those principles to your work, the willingness to follow the outline process, knowing that it will slow you down to the time to an MVP, but it will set the foundation so that if the product does make it through the MVP process, and and becomes goes into production, you don’t have to re engineer from the ground up, you’ve done the hard work up front, to build it to succeed.

    So check out those courses.

    I think those are a really terrific starting place for an aspiring UX designer to think and learn and train on IBM is version of that.

    Now, as much as I love IBM, I would also suggest that you look around at some of the other major tech companies and some of the other major you’re designing consulting firms as well, to see what their perspectives on UX are because you want to get a basket of different capabilities.

    Every one of these larger companies has its own focus and interpretation of how the world works and how they build for the world.

    And so you want to make sure that you have a handful of these to work with set and a half of these philosophies and how each company like how Google approaches design, how Apple approaches design, how IBM approaches design, how Toyota approaches design, so that you can be as flexible as possible for requirements.

    So great question a fun question, check out that course.

    And be on the lookout for other design thinking courses as well.

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