Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Customer Experience

You Ask, I Answer: Customer Data Platforms and Personalization?
Deborah asks, “Are you using or scoping out a Customer Data Platform (CDP) with the intent to implement personalization? Which tools?”

Customer Data Platforms – CDPs – are something of a symptom of bad data management and governance at a company. If your data infrastructure and architecture is sound, you shouldn’t need a CDP. And if you need a CDP, you’re putting a bandage over the real problem. Fix the real problem – poor data management – as your main strategy. That said, if you’re looking to evaluate, take a look at Snowplow Analytics open source edition and Apache Unomi.

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In today’s episode Deborah asks, Are you using or scoping out a customer data platform with the intent to implement personalization, which tools? So customer data platforms, also known as cdp’s. Are there a software category that has popped up? pretty substantially in the last 18 months, David Rob, over at the CDP Institute, has done a great job of sort of spearheading the category. Fundamentally, the promise of these technologies is that when all of your data lives in silos, and you have all these multiple different vendors, you need a system that will talk to each of the systems and glue all of your data together so that you can process it, run analytics on it, and then send that data to other systems to take action on. So most often, it’s a marketing use case for this technology. And the idea being that you would go and do this and then send your data to add systems to email systems, and so on and so forth. That said, customer data platforms are kind of a symptom and their symptom of bad data management and bad data governance at a company. If your data infrastructure and your architecture is sound, you shouldn’t need a CDP. If you have really good integration. If you have a database of record like a CRM, if you have good Master Data Management cdp’s would a CDP would be a redundant. If you need a CDP, because your data is such a hot mess, you’re really putting a bandage over the real problem, the true problem where your efforts should go your time, your your effort, your resources, your budget, should be towards fixing the real problem, which is bad data management as your main strategy. Now, if you absolutely positively can’t for corporate governance reasons or because your company itself is just a mess inside, then yes, you can get a CDP and use that to put a bandaid on the problem. But with the understanding that you’re putting a bandaid over a bullet wound, right. There is no substitute for great data management internally for good data governance. So are there good cdp’s on the market, there are there are a number of good companies, there are a number of really good open source tools. Personally, if you’re going to go the that route, and you have the technical talent internally, I would go for an open source solution first, not because it’s cheaper. But because when you’re looking at a system like a CDP, as sort of a bad day from Master Data Management issues, you need a system that can scale with your company. But that you own, because the last thing in the world you want is for your data to be held hostage by a company that once they have all your data, and it’s all together and you become reliant on the system. They can charge you whatever you want, whatever they want. And you will have to pay it. If you use a CDP system, software that is open source that you run the system, you own the software, you own the code, you own the deployment. Yes, there are maintenance costs, there will be updates, they will be all the fun that comes with running an application in your own data center or your own cloud instance. But fundamentally, nobody can say Oh, hey, last month it cost you $5,000 to access your data this month is going to cost you 10. What are you going to do about it?

Right, that’s the situation you do not want to have. So the two systems that I think are worth looking at the two projects that are worth examining. One is called snowplough. This is an open source project, there’s a commercial edition, of course, the open source edition is worth looking at. And you run that on its own cloud instance. And it connects to a whole bunch of backend services, AWS, Google Cloud, and so on and so forth. And it will take the time to set that up. But it is very robust. It can be very effective if you do it. Well. It requires, while all these packages, commercial or open source require a lot of training and a lot of rewiring of your systems. So again, one of the reasons why I’m hesitant on the CDB category is that if you are have the the money and the time to integrate across all your systems, you also could just do that with your own systems, your own databases. The other one that is very promising. And I would say if you’re going to place a bet, place a bet on it would be the Apache, I think it’s pronounced you know me. Apache, you know, me is it open source product project run by the Apache Foundation, which is the most credible name in open source period there, the Apache project runs, like three quarters of the web, in some in some fashion or form and some projects and their CDP project and you know, me, was just promoted to a top level project this year, which means that the foundation gives it a lot of money to build its code to maintain its code. It has integrations for all of your major systems. It has integrations for your website, and so on and so forth. You run it inside of a cloud instance, or you run it on your own server, which by the way, if you are in a highly regulated industry, being able to run this kind of system behind your firewall in your data center on servers and hardware that you own, he is really, really powerful. And so I would say if you want to go that route, that’s the system to look at. There is a tremendous amount of work that you need to do on governance, in order to make the systems work well. There is a tremendous amount of work you need to do on compliance. At trust insights, we were helping repair a CDP system for a client late last year and they just made a hot mess of it, it was it was not in good condition. No one had been trained on the administration of the system, no one had been trained on sort of the overall strategy of the system. And so, it became ironically it became a system that needed more maintenance than the systems It was supposed to connect to to solve the problem. So fix that real problem focus on that real problem with poor data management poor data infrastructure report, data governance, first and foremost, deploys CDP only if there was no realistic chance of getting your overall corporate governance or whatever to fix the problems that are causing the need for a CDP. And then I would say look at Apache you know me as your place to start. Because again, you do not want to be held hostage and an end up having to spend you know, ever increasing amounts of budget on a system that you don’t own, you fundamentally don’t have control over and that is likely to become a core part of your overall business. If you have an opposing opinion about the necessity of cdp’s I would love to hear it leave it in the comments below. Because change my mind. I would say if you have questions, leave them in the comments below. And of course, please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter and I’ll

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June 18, 2019
You Ask, I Answer: How to Use AI for Customer Service?
Amy asks, “How can we use AI to improve customer service? What are some ways to practically implement it?”

Customer service is everything from the purchase onwards in the customer journey, and companies are faced with dual mandates: make service better, but make service cheaper. What are some practical applications of AI? The keys will be around the two fundamental types of problems AI solves best: understanding and predicting.

Understand:
– What customers are saying to you, especially in non-text channels (but also text, like mining your CRM)
– What customers to each other, from social conversation to search intent
– What the profile of our MVCs is

From our understanding, we will predict:
– What customers will be high need vs. low need, and positive vs. negative
– What customers will have the highest lifetime value
– When customer needs will be highest

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In today’s episode, Amy asks, How can we use AI to improve customer service? What are some ways to practically implemented customer service? Let’s start by defining that customer service is everything from the purchase moment onwards. So from the moment the purchase, the customer gives their credit card says, this is the thing that I want b2b, b2c doesn’t matter. And everything after that in the customer journey is customer service. So that means ownership, which is things like warranty and service and support to loyalty, which is and retention, which is all about making sure that the your your product or service still continues to deliver value to the customer. And ideally, ideally, value continues to increase longer the customer own something. And of course, evangelism, helping the customer if they’re happy to talk about owning the product or service and looking for people who are having those conversations already. So those are the things that we’re going to lump under customer service. Companies traditionally have had dual mandates when it comes to customer service and not necessarily good ones, the dual mandates are of course makes service better. But in a lot of cases, companies have been tasked with making service cheaper, because corporations see it as a cost center rather than a value center. Now as models of attribution analysis get better. We’re starting to see people thinking about customer service as a driver of up sells, for example, particularly in b2b if a customer is happy, they’ll buy more from you are FM analysis and techniques like that help with that. But there are still a lot of companies are stuck in the old mindset of sort of customer services, just a cost, keep the cost is low as possible, instead of making the customer deliriously happy. And they’ll buy more and recommend more. So what are some practical applications of artificial intelligence in this space? The key to the application of AI and machine learning and specific revolves around the two fundamental tasks that they would be tackling which is understanding and predicting to understand we would use machine learning to dig into things like what our customers saying about us, especially in in social conversations, and then search intent. For example, if I am an owner of a whirlpool washing machine, and I’m looking up a whirlpool warranty or Whirlpool, whatever error code, guess what, I have some service issues, right, I have some support issues that I need to have resolved. If I own CRM software, I’m looking for the for how to do a certain thing. Sir, type that into Google, I would want as if I was the company, I would want to be using machine learning to analyze the data and understand relationships between different types of searches, relationships between searches and social conversations, at what point does somebody stop searching and start complaining? Those are all things that I wouldn’t want to know. I would want to know what are the profile of our most valuable customer is what using techniques like clustering, categorization, dimension reduction, what are those, the the aspects or the variables of a most valuable customer, and that goes way beyond traditional RF m analysis. Traditional our FM analysis just looks at you know, recency of purchase frequency of purchase monetary value of purchases, and that’s okay. But if you have the ability, with machine learning to look at 100, 200, 300 dimensions of the customer, their demographics, the psycho graphics firma graphics, and you can then put together a real comprehensive picture that customer you should. And most of all, this is where machine learning is a shining beacon customer service, it is understanding what customers are saying to our companies, especially in non tech channels, I did a project recently, for a company where they said a 17,000 recorded calls in an audio format from their call center. And we had a I transcribed them and then had AI, digest that down to understand what are the key issues that these customers were calling about. But you don’t have to use advanced stuff like that. Even just mining, the data within your CRM is so valuable, and companies don’t do it. What’s in your customer service inbox, customers, companies just don’t look at that. And you can use AI to understand

once you understand, then you can predict things the kinds of things you want to predict, for example, would be what customers are high need versus low need. If you have to reduce costs and customer service, you definitely want to know hire low need and who is high and low value, right? So what are the types of if a customer is high need and low value, and you have the ability to predict that type of customer, you can say let’s not market to those people versus low need high value let’s market to those people as much as we can use machine learning to isolate, understand and build a model for predicting that based on

characteristics of data that you get, you can predict what customers have the highest lifetime value.

Again, if you go beyond our FM and your understanding, and then build a models who predict this customer matches 42 of the 46 high value indicators, let’s make sure that, you know we we target them really, really cleverly and smartly so that we win their business. And finally, now what are the what are the types of sentiment in conversations? And can you create a model of cases that were resolved successfully versus cases is that we’re not resolved successfully? If there are things like sentiment and tone in conversations that people are having with the chat bot with the operator with the customer service forms? Can you predict when something’s going to go off the rails and intercept that early on, so that you that that person never gets to the stage where they cause a PR incident for example. So those are understanding predict the two basic use cases for machine learning and AI that will help customer service get better. You can do this with the data you have today. What you have may be messy, it may need to be structured and cleaned up and engineered but the beauty is most companies have been collecting this data. It’s in your customer service inbox is in your CRM, it’s in your call center. You just haven’t been using it if you’d like help course I company trust insights will be happy to help with that. So great question. important question, important question and one we’re not talking about enough. As always if you have any follow on comments, please leave in the comments below. Please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter. I’ll talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. Visit trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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June 4, 2019
You Ask, I Answer: Local Value-Added Reseller Marketing
Ava asks, “How can a local reseller market effectively against entrenched brands and big box stores?”

Local resellers – like plumbing supply, home decor, electronics, appliance showrooms, etc. – fit in the category of value-added reseller. The key is the value-added part – a reseller is typically more expensive than a big box retail store or the ubiquitous Amazon, so how a reseller communicates value is essential. Watch the video for full details.

You Ask, I Answer: Local Value-Added Reseller Marketing
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Consumers want:
– Better
– Faster
– Cheaper

VARs cannot beat, for the most part, cheaper.

The strategy, then, is build a strong brand on your value, which by definition must be better and/or faster. What constitutes better? Service, and the knowledge of context that comes with that service. Amazon cannot do context. Big box stores do context poorly. Shop small and shop local are only meaningful if you are also better.

Faster is faster fulfillment, which will eventually be a losing proposition against Amazon, but faster service, which Amazon simply cannot do in the near future. Faster answers, faster help, faster guidance.

How do you build a brand? Pick the pillar you deliver on and serve up marketing that doubles down on that pillar. Better service? Educate people for free on their top problems. Faster service? Leapfrog the big box stores and figure out how to do apps and bots better.
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In today’s episode Eva asks How can local reseller market effectively against entrenched brands and big box stores really good question a local reseller like plumbing supply store, a home decor, electronics, consumer electronic stores, appliance show rooms, all these fit in the categories of value added resellers. Now the the key for the marketing is that first phrase value added because a reseller is by default going to be more expensive than a big box retail store or everyone’s you know, ubiquitous Amazon presence, you’re always going to get beaten on price as a reseller unless you want no margins. So the key is how what the value is that a reseller delivers and how it communicates that value? consumers want the three things right, same thing

things they’ve wanted for centuries or millennia better, faster. Cheaper.

Value Added resellers cannot for the most part beat cheaper. So that leaves you better and faster. So your strategy for marketing your brand is to build a crazy strong brand on your value, which by definition is either going to be better or faster. So what constitutes better, what constitutes better for a reseller? Well, resellers are known primarily for their service. So what service do you provide that is better than what the competitors can provide? A big part of that is based on context. So a professional salesperson who knows the customer who knows what the customer wants, it has the opportunity to have meaningful conversations with the customer can build better concept someone may come in for a refrigerator but what they’re actually asking about is redoing the look of their kitchen right so the the big box stores

sees refrigerators being browsed. Amazon’s refrigerators being browsed on their site, but the the human salesperson who’s having the conversation with the customer can dig in and figure out what the actual goal is. And therefore, in theory should be able to provide better recommendations to the customer. Because they figured out what the customers overarching goal is. So that’s better service through context.

Other ways that virus can can focus in on that service is is in the better services post purchase.

Amazon will eventually beat everyone on fulfillment right on on on just getting stuff to you. But the process of packaging things up and mailing them back

and waiting for refunds and stuff is still not optimal. I’m sure they’re working on it, but it is still not optimal compared to

a reseller being able to just if they’re especially if they’re local.

In the market and pop buy in to see what’s going on with with the thing that you bought so it is that enhanced responsive high quality service that can also be part of the brand for faster faster fulfillment will eventually be a losing proposition against Amazon or whatever other may you know mega consumer company takes over but faster service Amazon still has not cracked and probably won’t in the near future because of the mechanism of

service fulfillment mailing things back takes time

know getting you get your refund as soon as Amazon has scam at the packages back in service but it’s still one those I got a package that thing up print out the thing and then you know wait for for the delivery service to combine and pick it up

contrast that with what a value added reseller delivers, which should be

faster for fashion repairing of problems because you may not have to it may not be defective enough to warrant being mailed back just come over and fix the thing but

Faster also means faster answers faster help faster guidance, how can you get answers faster to the customer that are meaningful? Again, you can talk with a chat bot or you can talk with the lowest paid person on the floor at a big box store and get on satisfactory answers.

You can talk to an expert at a reseller and get an actually helpful answer. When when I bought the solar thing from my from my house the we bought from the most reputable company in the industry and their service is white glove service. They were significantly more expensive than their competitors. But the service side is the reason we made the purchase because we get faster answers to get better answers.

And so we bought from that company instead. So when it comes to building and marketing your brand within that local market, pick the pillar that you deliver on and serve up marketing that that doubles down on that pillar that emphasizes that pillar.

You claim a better service, you better be educating people like crazy for free on their top problems doing things like YouTube videos, ad nauseum Instagram Stories like hey, here’s how you fix this. Here’s what to look for in this. Here’s how to know whether a faucet will scratch easily. Here’s to

here’s how to clean dog hair out of your refrigerators, events, all these things. And a big part is educating people on the problems that they’re likely to have before they have those problems. Because that tells the customer that you understand their context, you know what’s going to happen because you have the years of experience that a big box store is not likely to have when you’re talking about faster service. The Amazon of course has all sorts of AI behind that so you’re not going to beat Amazon on on faster and that fun but the big box stores and doing stuff like apps and and bots and stuff. There are opportunities to improve upon

Those things and do a better job but also as long as you can scale it properly there is a substantial part of the population that would feel better just talking to somebody especially with these lovely mobile devices being able to FaceTime or video chat with a customer and say oh yeah you’re you’re if your faucets leaking, or whatever it is turned into your camera and now let’s take a look and being able to immediately without leaving your shop, look at what’s going on and go oh, it’s probably this like your refrigerators making a funny noise Okay, what’s point your phone at got it and documenting and showing that showing how you do that? Because that instead of creating marketing, which honestly is probably going to come out very self serving if you document with permission the service that you provide, you will show people by example exactly what you do and convince them that okay, this is a level of service I don’t get

From the big box store, well, this is level of service that I don’t get when I’m clicking around on on Amazon’s website. And so that documentation of what you do, and then the sharing of it ad nauseum. You cannot create enough content that shows off with real customers how your service works, you cannot create enough content that is helpful educational that solves people’s problems. You could publish 100 Pinterest pins a day you could publish a 500 Instagram videos a day and the still wouldn’t be enough to to answer every customers questions before they have them. You know your customer, you know your market. You’ve been in business for a number of years. You know what’s going to happen, double down on that experience and show it off not by telling people that you have it but by documenting that you’re doing the thing is it doesn’t require hiring a professional video crew you have a camera

There are free apps there is YouTube to post the videos to just go and do it. But do it a lot and plan to spend a lot of time on it. If you are spending less than an hour a day on documenting what it is you do, or answering customers questions, you’re not spending enough time on it from the perspective of marketing so that you can beat the big box store and the Amazons of the world. Now if you just want to do the bare minimum you can but you’re not going to beat the entrenched local Martin you got to show off through example just why you’re a better so great question. There’s a lot to this and there’s a lot to doing this. It is not inexpensive from a time perspective but it can be inexpensive from a a a machine or you’ve already bought the phone you’ve already got YouTube and stuff make use of it. So if you have follow up questions, leave them in the comments box please subscribe to the newsletter and the YouTube

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November 30, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Career Focus Choices
Magdalena asks, “What should be marketers’ main focus – numbers or creativity and innovation? Why?”

The idea of asking someone to choose being qualitative or quantitative is inadvisable. People have natural aptitudes, and asking them to focus on something that isn’t their strength tends to yield mediocre results.

The more important focus choice is whether a marketer is operations-focused or experience-focused. Customer experience is absolutely vital, as is marketing operations – but in larger companies, you must choose to focus on one branch more than the other. Which choice you make dictates hiring, team composition, and ultimately your brand’s effectiveness. Watch the video for full details.

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In today’s episode, Magdalena asks, What should marketers main focus be numbers or creativity and innovation? Why?

I don’t think these are focus points. And the reason for that is numbers and quantitative data excellence and things and creativity, innovation out of the box, thinking

two things. One, you can’t be either or most people are a combination of both. And these are attributes these are characteristics of the person. So some people have an aptitude towards the quantitative they love data, they love charts they love all the the slicing and dicing they’re very analytical thinkers, other people very creative thinkers they’re out of the box thinkers

today with artificial intelligence and and the ability for machines to do very narrow

Asked extremely well, you really need to be both, although it is has since been proven neurologically untrue. The idea of left brain and right brain still is a a false dichotomy. You need to be both brain, right? You need to be able to do both things,

the greater challenge, I think, if if marketers have to put a focus somewhere, it’s not on trying to change themselves to be something that they’re not. If yes, absolutely, you should always have a lifetime of learning and development and, and experimenting in creative tools, experimenting in quantitative tools. But if there’s a focus that you have to choose from, because both can be very overwhelming it is whether you are business focused or customer focused. And again, just like left brain, right brain, you can’t just do one but because of the scope and the scale of being very business focused on what we were

Marketing operations or being customer focused on what is customer experience and and buyers journey customer journey

unless you work at a very small company you can’t really specialize in either one

well especially working small company you can specialize another one you have to do both and then as you work a bigger companies you started to have a path where you are on more on the operation side or you are more on the experience side that’s to me is is where you have to make a choice as marketers to what you want to be known for what you want to be good at and what tools and systems and technologies you will specialize in because they are very different marketing operations tends more towards things like automation, CRM,

it making sure that that marketing happens and there’s still absolutely stuff like focus groups and surveys and stuff to to get a sense of what customers think.

But you really are working towards furthering the goals of the business and you’re working towards making marketing operating as efficiently and as effectively as possible. On the experience side, you are all in on voice of the customer, you are all in on the customer journey and the paths touch points analysis, attribution analysis and understanding customer behavior, psychology, understanding, neurology understanding how the human being makes decisions and then optimizing your marketing to those decision pathways. It there’s a lot of data mining and a lot of exploration. What are people saying about a product? What are people saying about our competitors to understand that experience that they have in trying to do path analysis and so that’s where marketers have to make a strong choice in focus in their careers. Now, you heard a lot of the same tools in both sides data analysis activity.

analysis, path analysis, things like that. So it’s not again, it’s not left brain, right brain creative risk quantitative, you need both attributes to be successful. Or you need to have a team that

compensates for where you are not as strong. But what does that mean focus is going to be are you working on making a marketing function more efficiently and effectively? Or are you working more on serving the customers needs so that the customer is endlessly delighted by everything that you do?

And by the way, that’s not just Product Marketing. A lot of people think customer experience is Product Marketing, how can we make the product work better the way the customer wants it to? It’s much more about the experience the customer is actually exposed for the first time they become aware of your brand all the way through owning and being a loyal advocate for your brand. And that is a discipline a career path it is is a massive change in focus for the average marketer.

And so that’s where you your marketing focus has to be. If you are managing a team of marketers, you need to split your operations about 5050, who’s going to be on the operations side, making marketing run, who’s going to be on the experience side, making the customer happy. If you default towards one of those disciplines,

the other suffers, the other can be neglected and you will pay a price for it. If you are less focused on operations and marketing will not run as well. stuff will fall through the cracks, things will not run as well.

If you ignore the customer experience, you’re going to be in an obnoxious, annoying marketer, you’re going to be the one you’re gonna be the person who’s you know, we have this cadence, we need to hit

the Email button every three days. We need between 22 times a day and it will all be stuff that nobody wants because you are focused solely on the operations and being very company centric, that you won’t be customer centric. Thanks.

So that’s where the risks are.

Great question

again, because people think that they have to make a choice about being something that they’re not. It can be a very misleading question. So instead of choosing quantitative, quantitative, choose operations, focus with some in informed experience on the customer experience side, or choose customer side with some focus on the operation side, and you have to do both. Again, these are all false choices. You must be everything in a lot of ways, but choose one of those two disciplines to add focus to to become better at so tough question. Great question. As always, please subscribe to the newsletter and the YouTube channel. I’ll talk to you soon. Take care

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July 10, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: What is Customer Experience?
Adam asks, “What is customer experience? Is it the same as customer service?”

Modern customer experience management, as a discipline and a profession, is an amalgamation and evolution of four sub-disciplines:
- Voice of the Customer (1993)
- Design Thinking and UX
- Analytics, AI, and Big Data
- Champions and Defenders
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You Ask, I Answer: What is Customer Experience?
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In today’s you ask I answer Adam asks, What is customer experiences at the same as customer service up? No, it’s not. But Customer service is part of customer experience, modern customer experience, what we call the discipline of customer experience, or customer experience management is an evolution and emerging of three different

ideas.

First is a management concepts that I think dates back to the 1990s, if not earlier called the voice of the customer, what does the customer really want, and, and so in. In the old system, this was actually someone whose job it was, was to represent the customer in meetings and things to just speak up on behalf of the customer and product development and things. And it has since evolved to

really bringing

in the voice of the customer with using analytics and big data and artificial intelligence and machine learning now to take what the customer actually says, and make it a core part of businesses decisions.

The second aspect or discipline

that is, in modern customer experiences was originally UX and UI, what does the user experience what is the user interface that a product or service offers in particular digitally, so things like website design, navigation and stuff. And this, of course, has also evolved into design thinking journey mapping

the process of managing the customer, so

everything from what is the customer journey look like how the different components integrated so that you’re not doing single touch point analysis. But now you’re you’re tracking the interactions through out a customer’s experience through from first becoming aware of the company all the way to be loyal advocate of the company. And then applying design thinking to the customers interactions that every one of those way points in their journey from what does a website look like classic UI UX to what happens when they walk in a store, how are they greeted what color shirt so the employees wearing things like that you can see a lot of design thinking in the best customer experiences. When you go to say, the Apple Store. There’s a clear workflows, a clear process, when you go to a fast food restaurant, there’s a clear process

I’m at work.

The third

component of customer experience

originally was sort of just data

in general, and then became big data as as Big Data Systems became more prevalent and now incorporates analytics AI, machine learning all the platform pieces

that help us understand

not the customer, but everything that they do. And all the outcomes that lead up to

that sort of sum total customer experience. So

in traditional retail, for example, this would have been things like our FM analysis, recency, frequency, and the amount of transactions what things boosts someone’s our FM scores. This would include things like Net Promoter scores, and customer satisfaction data. This includes all the digital and non digital interactions that a customer has with us from the moment they click on an ad, or watch the video to the moment that they set foot in the store, where do they walk within a store, if it’s a if it’s a brick and mortar store.

And then of course, the business outcomes, how profitable or unprofitable is a customer, how much does that customer cost not only an acquisition but in servicing does is this customer returning things all the time, we’ve seen some recent changes behind the scenes in the way company, please look, Amazon serve customers where customers that have an abnormally high number of returns are score differently and treated differently

because they are more expensive customers.

And then the last part is really the champions and defenders. So within their organization, there are people who are who are responsible for the overall customer experience strategy. And then you have sort of two groups that are somewhat oppositional you have the customer champions again, the people who advocate for the customer like sort of migrated over from voice of the customer to because I became a much more about data

to the the individuals championing

for the customer saying I I think this is a bad experience for the customer

and then you had the defenders

Who are the people who advocate on behalf of the employees

really good example in our our Olive Garden case study that we did where the customers love unlimited supersize breadsticks. The employees hate that dish with a passion because they are they, as I say breadsticks slaves

in in that instance, you see a champion, you know, advocating for the customer, but there’s no defender advocating for the employees. And so you need those two groups to to counter each other and find balance to say, this is it, this is the best experience we can manage while still not harming our employees. And our ability to do business in the long term. Because obviously, talent journey and stuff is is an incredibly expensive part of doing business. So all for these things, people process platform and participation, Voice of the Customer design thinking Analytics API in big data, and champions and defenders are what constitutes customer experience

in customer experience management, you need to have all these capabilities put together so that you deliver an optimal outcome to the customer. If you don’t have good process. For example, you know, you can have all the the people on the champions and stuff you want. But without that process, you’re not going to improve the customer experience. If you don’t have great data,

you’re not going to be able to

know what you’re doing is working.

If you don’t have voice in the customer, you’re not doing qualitative and quantitative data, you’re just guessing at what the customer wants, instead of actually listening to the customer. And without those champions and defenders with no participation, customer experience is just an idea on a slide deck somewhere. So you need all four components working together to create customer experience in its modern incarnation, and this will change somewhat over time. But for the most part, the people the process, the platform and the participation are

relatively timeless,

they are relatively straightforward things that indicate this is how we get to to a great customer experience. Now to the question of how is it different than customer service, customer service is a subset of customer experience, customer service satisfying customers fixing things that are have gone wrong, would use similar things, you know, voice of the customer is very much the element of service, listening to the customer. Listen to what they have to say. Same for design, thinking and process, what is the process what is the experience that a customer has when

something goes wrong, and they want remediation,

tracking the data around customer service, and then having people advocating for or against specific customer service processes, procedures, things like that, internally, the company all of that is part of a customer experience. But customer experience is much more than that. If you think about the customer journey, awareness, consideration,

evaluation, purchase satisfaction,

retention, loyalty and evangelism

service really isn’t that second half the back

half of the journey where

once the customer has purchased something, what is their experience with the company with the brand. If the experience of owning the thing is terrible, then obviously, you’re going to have a much bigger problem and it will seep into stuff like voice of the customer data, but customer experience covers the entire journey from awareness, all the way to loyalty, so it’s much bigger than just service by itself. But you can’t have great customer experience without great service. So great question. Adam. A complex question. This is an entire discipline, customer experience. Management is a profession into unto itself and, and even specializing in pieces of it such as like voice of the customer, modern voice of the customer is very different than it used to be thanks to machine learning. And so there’s a lot of opportunity here for companies to to build a great customer experience, deliver a great customer experience and obviously reap the financial rewards of great customer experience if they do it well and have all these pieces in place. So great question. As always have a questions please use the link here in the show notes. subscribe to the newsletter and the YouTube channel and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care

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June 18, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: Should You Deploy a Chatbot?
Hamid asks,

“Should my business deploy a chatbot for marketing and customer service? What are the reasons or risks?”

Chatbots – and any form of automation – promise a programmatic, uniform customer experience. There are two considerations for making this decision:
- Cost to match the current customer experience
- Quality of the current customer experience
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First, how much time, energy, and effort are you willing to invest in building the chatbot? If you’re looking for a fast, easy, solution that’s basically an out-of-the-box experience for you, the marketer, chances are the experience you’re going to provide is terrible. If you’re willing to invest weeks, months, or even years plus lots of people, effort, knowledge, and money to create and tune the AI behind today’s chatbots exclusively for your business, chances are the experience you’re going to provide will be good.

Second, what’s the quality of the current experience you’re providing? If you’re providing a great experience with humans now, then the bar for your chatbot is very high and it’s going to take a lot of time and resources to match that experience. If the experience you provide now is appalling – think Department of Motor Vehicles awful – then the bar for your chatbot is very low and pretty much anything except literally slapping customers in the face will be an improvement.

Those are the two levers you have to honestly audit and measure first. The latter, the customer experience, has many, many measurement systems like surveys, Net Promoter Scores, etc. that you can use to judge your customer experience. If your scores are terrible, then a chatbot could be a promising alternative – but also, take some time to fix your current customer experience and you might find a chatbot is unnecessary.

One important distinction: tinkering with and trying out chatbots is something every marketer should be doing. Whether or not you deploy them, you should be testing them out to learn more and see what’s possible.

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May 2, 2018
Business Strategy: Don’t Be This Toilet Paper Dispenser
This toilet paper dispenser inspired me to share some thoughts on customer experience, business strategy, and what companies do most wrong: put themselves before the customer.

A brief rant about toilet paper and business strategy
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March 2, 2018
Transparency is The Currency of Trust
Transparency is a popular term in business these days. Let’s examine why, what transparency is, and how to create more of it in our organizations.

Why Transparency Matters

Trust is the foundation of a relationship. The more trust we have, the better our businesses function.

Transparency builds or restores trust of stakeholders (employees, investors, partners, vendors), bit by bit, in an organization.

If we want more trust, we must be more transparent.

What is Transparency?

Transparency is the ability for interested parties to see what’s going on.

In business relationships and the workplace, it means proactively sharing or making available vital information about the company to employees, partners, and possibly even competitors.

In Andrew Schnackenberg’s 2014 paper on Organizational Transparency, he and his co-authors cite four criteria, four dimensions of transparency:
- Quantity of Information Sharing
- Intentional Sharing
- Perception of Sharing
- Quality of Shared Information
Organizations with high transparency share vital information intentionally, in a systematic, proactive way; stakeholders in those organizations perceive transparency as a function of how easily accessed information is. In transparent organizations, information of high quality, high importance, is shared as readily as information of lesser importance.

How Organizations Create Transparency

To create transparency, examine the four dimensions. How much are we doing in each dimension?

Quantity: How much information do we share? Some organizations share almost nothing. Other organizations share everything with their employees and even the world. Timing is also an important function of quantity. Do we share only at the annual meeting, or do we share all day, every day?

Key takeaway: Share more frequently to increase transparency.

Intent: Do we share proactively? Do we make an effort to be up front and push information to people, or do we put information that’s important to people on a backwater intranet page that no one knows exists?

Key takeaway: Share where people receive information to increase transparency.

Perception: Do our stakeholders (investors, employees, partners) understand that they’re receiving information? Check things like employee surveys and informal office chatter; if people say they feel left out, then they perceive a deficit of sharing despite our efforts. We must change how we share to fit how they find information.

Key takeaway: Ask people how they perceive transparency efforts to increase transparency.

Quality: What information do we share? How important is it? At companies like Buffer, salaries are public. Talk about radical transparency. Other key topics employees want to know about include company performance, financial health, and overall direction – information that shouldn’t live in just the boardroom for organizations that desire transparency.

Key takeaway: Share vital information to increase transparency.

The Bottom Line

If we need to create more trust, we must create more transparency by sharing lots of important information proactively, and ensuring stakeholders understand it.

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October 5, 2017
Customer Experience: What Kind of Employee Are We?
Here’s a brief thought exercise. Would you hire this employee? If they were on your staff, would you retain them?
- Punches the clock exactly, and refuses overtime without significant compensation
- Does the absolute minimum work possible to not get fired
- Spends their free time outside of work promoting themselves relentlessly
- Spends half their time at work looking for their next job
- Goes to great lengths to impress strangers at networking events
- Yet, neglects you and key stakeholders at your company
I don’t know about you, but the shelf life of that employee would be fairly short on my watch. I asked a few folks on LinkedIn the same question, and here’s what they said:

Strong words from fellow business professionals:
- “In transition”
- “Wouldn’t hire or retain”
- “Held a key role hostage”
- “Part ways”
Clearly, this sort of employee is not someone we want to work with.

Yet, when we look at how companies treat customers, I see an uncomfortable (if unsurprising) parallel. In customer service and customer experience, we’re fond of expressions like “the customer is always right” and “the Customer is the boss”. If we truly believe these tenets, then consider how the average company behaves toward its “boss”:
- Does nothing more than what’s contracted to do and anything extra is an upsell, upcharge, additional fee, or new contract
- Provides the absolute minimum level of service possible
- Spends significant time and budget on marketing and advertising
- Even when dealing with us, is investing far more time and energy into new customers
- Goes to great lengths to win new customers, with incentives, deals, promotions, sales, and service
- Yet, neglects loyal customers by not offering the same deals and incentives
Is it any wonder that companies struggle with customer churn?

If the company above were our employee, we wouldn’t think twice about firing them. Yet as marketers and business people, why do we expect that our customers will remain loyal to us in the exact same situation? The customer as the boss has a terrible employee, and we’ve set ourselves up to be fired as quickly as possible.

The superior company and the superior employee would look very similar – and the opposite of the above cases:
- Does whatever it takes to retain the business within practical limits
- Goes the extra mile for the people most important to them
- Spends their free time figuring out how to make our experience better
- Invests time in us, ensuring our loyalty, rather than looking for the next great opportunity
- Does their part to win new business but…
- Recognizes that their existing relationship is paying the bills and works to figure out how to deliver an even better experience for us
I’d pay more to retain that kind of employee.

As a customer, I’d do business with that company as often as I could.

Ask yourself which kind of “company as employee” you are: the average one that we’d fire as quickly as we could, or the superior one we’d gladly pay more to retain? If the former, what must you do to become the latter?

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September 18, 2017
Great Customer Service in One Slide
Service is the dominant form of industry these days. Everything is a service; in fact, -as-a-service is appended to an enormous number of industries.
- We have software-as-a-service. (the online apps economy)
- We have platform-as-a-service. (the API economy)
- We have vehicles-as-a-service. (the ridesharing companies)
- We have space-as-a-service. (home and office timesharing apps)
Yet how many of these new service industries focus on – and deliver – great service?

Great service sets us apart from our competitors. It’s the fastest, simplest way to pull ahead of everyone else who has a similar offering. Reminding ourselves of what constitutes great service is relatively hard, especially if our company isn’t accustomed to delivering great service.

What constitutes great customer service?

Great customer service is a reminder of six key actions we must take all day, every day to better serve customers. These six actions apply to any industry, any customer, and spell out PLEASE. They are:
- Pay attention! By the time someone complains, their experience is already ruined. Pay attention and anticipate problems before they happen.
- Listen! Put away opinions and preconceptions of what we think the customer wants and listen to what they’re actually saying.
- Execute! Nothing makes up for not doing what we said we’d do. Deliver exactly what is promised.
- Ask! We’re not telepaths. We can’t read minds. Ask customers early and often what we could do better.
- Serve! Put away ego and pride. Whether we’re right or wrong, the customer pays the bills and is the boss.
- Exceed! Customers have preconceptions and expectations. Exceed them and they’ll return over and over again.
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September 11, 2017

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