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In today’s episode, Sarah asks, How do you get clients to renew on a monthly basis when at the same time, you need to convince them on the long game aspect of your efforts with them as an agency? So that’s a good question.

Um, the short answer is you have to be providing value at a level commensurate with the value asking from them.

If you’re asking somebody to pay you monthly, you need to be delivering value monthly.

Alright, if you’re asking someone to pay you annually, you need to be delivering value annually.

If you need to be delivered, you need someone to pay you weekly, you need to deliver value weekly.

So the big question is, can you take what you do? And break it up into milestones where people can see okay, this is the monthly milestone I see what I’m getting for my money.

That’s fundamentally what when a client says, you know, I want to renew on on X basis, what they’re really saying is, I don’t trust you enough to just hand you a big pile of money, have you go away for six months and hope that we get something at the end of it? You have to figure out how to split up your value and deliver that value month over month so that there’s a reason for them to keep saying yes, when you have something that renews monthly, you are essentially pitching to win your business over and over again, every single month, you’re essentially saying, hey, I need to prove value to this customer this month, what have I given my customer this month, that’s helpful.

One of the most straightforward tactics on this front is good reporting.

Right, whatever it is, you do as an agency, your monthly reporting should demonstrate that value, right, it should showcase here’s what we see.

Here’s the data that we’ve collected.

Here are our insights.

Here are our recommendations.

Our next steps are timeframes.

Here are the decisions we need you to make.

Here are some advisory things that we see in your data that are not necessarily in our purview, but you might want to take care of, for example, with Trust Insights, we do a ton of reporting for our clients, I’m gonna why you should wear nadolol X consulting firm.

And very often, they will be something in the data that I look at go Hmm, that’s weird.

Let me bring that to somebody’s attention that this is one technology client, we kept seeing GitHub showing up over and over again, in their data as a referring traffic source.

And I said, Well, clearly, this is a major community that you need to be paying attention to.

When was the last time you took on a popular repo in your space and sponsored it and just say, Hey, we’re sponsoring this machine learning model for $10,000.

So we’re gonna get our logo and our thanks from the creators in the in the checkout in the codes and repo for six months, whatever.

It’s basically influencer marketing, right.

Our remit as a consulting firm is not influencer marketing.

Our remit is to tell clients what’s wrong with their data.

But in seeing this data, we said, here’s an opportunity that we think might be worth investigating, right? So talk to your influencer marketing agency about a project like this.

So we’re providing them

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additional value on top of the value that they’re already contracted to get, because we see it in their data.

And so even though it may take months to, to help them get their data squared away, get their infrastructure squared away, we can find relatively easy wins along the way to say, hey, this might be a good thing to do.

Right, the data suggests this is an audience to pay attention to this is a group of people to pay attention to this is an individual to pay attention to, here’s a YouTube channel that’s worth looking at whatever the case may be.

Finding that information out helps to provide value.

Maybe you’re an SEO firm, and you see, hey, there’s some search trends here that are interesting.

Here’s a content calendar, go, go try building content around this.

Maybe you’re an email marketing firm, and you’re and you notice, hey, this set of links in your newsletter gets way more clicks than we thought it would.

Maybe you need to build some blog content around that.

Maybe you’re an ad agency, and you’re running ads and you keep seeing this one competitor.

This is trouncing everybody and you’ll look at their ads and go hmm, there’s some really good ideas in here that maybe you know we could help our client put their own unique spin on to to win some business.

Whatever it is you do There are opportunities if your eyes are open to say, Hmm, there’s something of interest here that’s not within our remit.

And it may not even, it may not be an upsell for you, it may just be like, Hey, pay attention to this.

But in doing so you’re providing value to your client, when they would benefit from it most.

So how do you get clients to renew on a monthly basis provide the monthly value.

If you’re not, they’re not going to renew because when you are dealing with a client, that’s renewing month to month, you are selling month to month, you are re winning the business month to month and that’s a challenging position to be in.

But it’s an important one.

Because you you essentially are showcasing that your value is so good that you’re willing to go month to month with a customer to say like, yeah, we are so confident that what we have to offer is useful that we’re willing let you walk away.

Anytime after 30 days.

That’s a pretty bold statement.

So good question.

We could spend a whole lot of time on client retention and things and maybe that would be a good topic someday.

But it always comes down to value.

What are you doing for the client that makes them say, I’m really glad I’m paying you money? Hey, if I gave you more money, what else could you do for me? Right? That’s, that’s the question you want your clients asking all the time.

So make sure you’re providing enough value that that question is kind of bothering them in the back of their head say what if I gave them more money? What would happen? So good question.

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“The customer is always right.”

For over a century since Harry Gordon Selfridge coined it, we’ve been stuck with this platitude, and it can be dangerously wrong for the health of our businesses.

It had its place. After all, businesses even today are insanely self-centered, and tend to put themselves and their needs first before the customer. That’s bad business, and no one disputes that who cares about the customer experience and wants to succeed long-term. Reminding people of it with this platitude did serve a role, but as a guide, not an ironclad rule.

The Great Resignation highlights this shortcoming in our thinking, this tendency to take a guide and turn it into an immutable truth. As business managers, executives, and owners, we’ve given lip service – and lip service ONLY – to the platitude that our most valuable asset is our employees.

Except we don’t treat them that way, do we? If they were our most valuable asset, we would not permit bad customers to treat our employees the way they do sometimes. These days, there are many, many occasions where the customer is not only wrong, but dangerously wrong. Is it all customers? No. But you don’t need all customers to act like jerks to ruin the employee experience. It’s like poison – you don’t need to drink a gallon of cyanide – just a little bit will do.

What is our most valuable asset? Based on the way too many companies behave, it’s simply profit, gross revenue. That’s the true priority of many companies. And just as “the customer is always right”, there’s logic to profit as a key priority – a company that doesn’t earn profits goes out of business quickly.

Here’s what we have to do, for those of us in decision-making roles: either act like employees are our most valuable assets and protect them from bad actors, or be truthful and stop saying our employees are our most valuable asset.

If we choose to really prioritize employees as our best assets, then we have to change how we think about training and compensation for customer-facing employees. We have to acknowledge that sometimes, not only is the customer wrong, the customer is dangerously wrong.

What does adapting to this new reality look like for all customer-facing employees?

• Proper pay for higher levels of risk
• Proper non-violent crisis intervention training
• Proper tools and staffing to immediately deal with escalated situations
• Proper mental health, therapy, and counseling benefits for employees

None of this should be a surprise; we pay employees more to deal with higher risk situations in other industries. We pay more to firefighters when they have to take on special training to deal with things like nuclear and chemical fires. We pay more to waste disposal professionals to deal with toxic and biological hazards. We hire extra security guards to deal with more dangerous situations. We set up additional counseling resources for employees after traumatic events. But instead of these being one-off instances, we have to make them more standardized.

If we want to continue delivering a great customer experience, we need employees who are trained and paid to deal with higher risk situations, and have the tools and access to resources needed to defuse those situations or deter them. We’ll retain our best staff that way and create an environment that ultimately leads to a better customer experience, too – and from that comes the profits our businesses need.

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Stephanie asks, “When it comes to building trust, how do we know what success looks like? How can we measure it?”

Trust is a tricky thing to measure because it’s such a core of emotion. If you examine emotional theory, especially things like Plutchik’s wheel of emotions, trust is a fundamental survival emotion. How do you measure a survival emotion?

• Consider surveying – do you trust this brand, do you see it as a friend, do you feel this brand directly supports you and the things you believe in, will this brand do right by you if something goes wrong?

• Examine branded organic search for the bigram frequencies around your brand – trusting words versus disgust words, which are the antithesis of trust

• Look at social interactions – if something negative about your brand comes up, who supports you and how quickly

• Perform sentiment analysis on interactions with the brand, especially customer service interactions

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In today’s episode, Stephanie asks, When it comes to building trust, how do we know what success looks like? How can we measure it? Well, trust it, trust is a tricky thing to measure, because it’s such a fundamental core emotion.

If you look back at psychology, and how different frameworks have come up to even understand the emotions, there are all these different models that you can use to try and figure out, like, what even an emotion is, and how it relates to important things like say survival.

Trust is one of those fundamental things.

So this is a model here, this is Robert politics, wheel emotions, you can see that in that first, concentric ring trust is on there, it’s a no six expressed by admiration, it’s opposed by disgust.

And fundamentally, trust is one of those things is like, how do you how do you explain it? In that same thesis, he proposed that each of these core emotions has a basic survival advantage, right.

disgust is something that happens when we ingest something that doesn’t taste good, and we spit it out, we believe, because we perceive it as poisonous, right? And trust is the opposite of that we see somebody who’s a member of our group, a member of our tribe, they’re our friend.

And so our our action is literally to defend that person to recruit them for mutual support to help us survive.

When you consider that that particular survivalist instinct, how does that play out when it comes to something like a brand? Oh, think about what you would expect someone to be able to say about a brand they trust.

And the gold standard here for figuring this out for measuring this will be serving, asking people at all different stages of the customer experience.

So surveying for at the awareness stage, for trust based questions, consideration, purchase, loyalty, evangelism at all, throughout the customer experience cycle, asking people questions, like, Do you trust this brand? Do you see it as as a friend as friendly to you? Do you believe that the brand will do right by you if something goes wrong? Right? Do you believe that the brand supports you and the things that you believe in? Do you believe that there’s a mutual support relationship? in place, there are some brands where people feel based on their interactions with the brand, though Yes, this brand will support me and this brand has supported me.

And that can be anywhere from things like donating to specific causes, to just having working customer service, right, having a customer service department that will not make you feel like an idiot.

All those would be things that you’d want to surface within serving, and that is still the gold standard for understanding how people feel about a brand.

There are other things that you can do that, I would say you treat as secondary data sources, because again, the gold standard is still serving is just asking people how they feel around those trust based questions or, again, the polar opposite.

On that we’ll have emotions, asking people about disgust based questions, things that interactions they’ve had that were negative, how many of them have they had because as everybody knows, it really only takes one screw up for a brand to to completely ruin the relationship you have with that one bad judgment call.

I was talking with my business partner and co founder Katie robear, about one technology brand that at a conference hired an absolutely awful speaker, just terrible judgment call.

And that has forever corrupted her feelings about that brand that brand has no chance to ever impress to work past that without like serious substantial personal interaction.

And that’s a big part of this equation as well is in trust, because we are taking the action of friending somebody right of bringing them into our group of asking them for mutual support.

It’s not something that the brand can do easily at scale, but is absolutely something that occurs at one to one interactions with the brand.

So if you are spending a million dollars on this branding campaign, but you’re still paying a minimum wage or less to yours customer support team and they deliver an abuse of experience.

You’re achieving no ground, right because that one to one interaction is how this survival instinct works.

Now there are other things that you can use to measure this.

So you could examine for example, branded search for by Graham frequencies to word combinations around your brand, if the number of people searching for you know your company name and scam or socks, or whatever comes up a lot, guess what, you’ve got a problem, right? You have a substantial problem, particularly if it’s around.

Again, customer support issues.

Looking at trust words, looking at discussed words, what are the how often those do those co occur in branded organic search, assuming someone’s searching for your brand at all, looking at social interactions, particularly social media, if something negative about your brand comes up, who supports you and how quickly right now, this isn’t not something I get this is good secondary research, because you don’t want to create a negative event just to see who pops out of the woodwork, that’s not a good idea.

But if it’s happening anyway, use the data.

And most importantly, be performing sentiment analysis on interactions with your brand, especially again, customer service interactions, you should be minding your customer service inbox, and looking at, again, trust words and disgust words.

The frequencies of each the the valence or intensity of each.

In every single email you get in every phone call, you get near Customer Service Center and every interactive chat log be scoring those intakes.

And asking people those the questions if you can, if not just be doing the sentiment analysis, the natural language processing on those interactions, to understand how much trust or disgust is there in every single interaction.

That is actually something that would fairly closely resemble in NPS score in some ways, and just having a composite number, and tracking it over time, how much how much of our communications had an overall valence of trust, particularly if you’re able, if you have the technology to break an interaction into thirds, and then measure the trust in the in thirds of beginning, middle and end did trust go up or down in those interactions.

But fundamentally, go back to the basic surveying.

And that can be surveys with a market research firm.

It can be surveys at point of purchase or post purchase.

It can even be surveys on your website.

But be asking people consistently those questions like do you see this out? The brand as a friend does? Do you feel supported by us? What would you what would make you feel supported by us? What would increase your trust in us that we would do the right thing by all those questions, workout with your your marketing team workout with us.

You’re someone on staff who has psychology experience, to better understand how to phrase those questions to get the answers you want.

Hire a good market research firm.

But that’s how you measure, measure.

And then, as with all measures, you’re looking for more of what you want and less of what you don’t want.

So again, going back to Dr.

Politics real we’ll have emotions.

You want more trust, you want less disgust.

The same is true for all the emotions on there.

You want more joy and less, you know, anger and sadness.

Pretty straightforward stuff.

Be careful with emotion analysis.

be thorough, and especially be looking for bias when you’re asking these questions because it’s super easy to go wrong on those fronts.

And again, you should have somebody with psychology experience working with you to tune those things and some good market research experience to tune those things with you.

Make sure you’re asking fair, balanced, unbiased questions that will give you accurate diagnostics.

Really good question a lot to dig into here.

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I had the opportunity to attend Comcast’s CX Technology Day at the invitation of Jay Baer and the team at Convince and Convert. CX Day is Comcast’s highlighting of what they’re working and some of the challenges they’ve overcome to improve their overall customer experience.

1. In their digital transformation, which has been and will continue to be a massive, multi-year process, their biggest gap has been on the process side. The technology hasn’t been nearly as much of an issue as getting 60,000 people to follow standard processes.
2. Charlie Herrin, Chief CX Officer, had an interesting insight on chatbots.
3. Lisa Blackshear, SVP Comms and Digital Media, said that social has become their early warning system, letting them know of issues well before they hit the call center – and that social scales much better than phones.
4. Speaking of phones, Tom Karinshak, EVP Customer Service, said that in measuring customer satisfaction using NPS scores, the biggest increase was offering customers a choice other than calling support. Turns out very few people want to talk on the phone – especially if other options work better.
5. The most interesting session of the day was on how callbacks to customers are mandatory for all employees – even developers and project managers – to see how their work is received.

They’ve still got a long way to go; one of the interesting things Jay had to say is that brand reputation is a decade cycle, meaning that it takes a decade of mostly positive experiences to teach a new generation of customers that the reputation of the company from the past isn’t its present. My thanks to Jay and the C&C team for inviting me to participate.

FTC Disclosure: Comcast paid for me to attend CX Technology Day. No other compensation was included, and neither Comcast nor Convince & Convert required me to create content about CX Technology Day or provided messaging for the content above and beyond what was presented.

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In today’s episode, I had the opportunity to attend the Comcast, CX technology day at the invitation of Jay Baer and the team at Convince & Convert.

CX state is Comcast sort of event highlighting what they’re working on.

And some of the challenges that they’re working to overcome to improve their overall customer experience, which, as you know, from two seconds of googling is not great.

And there were five key takeaways I thought were interesting from the day that are more broadly applicable to everyone in all of our businesses, number one, in their digital transformation and trying to adapt to where customers are and where customers want to communicate with them.

The digital transformation has been mostly focused on process.

So there’s three parts to digital transformation people process technology, right HJ limits 1964 framework, which we’ve been listening to consultants talk about for six decades.

And for Comcast, in particular, the biggest gap has been on the process side of a company put together by more than 30 acquisitions and things has enormous challenges making process standardized.

Technology has not been the issue, getting 60,000 people to follow the same playbook, significantly, a tougher challenge.

So I thought that was interesting.

In our own work in digital transformation, in your work at your company, recognizing that process is probably the thing that will be most difficult for a an otherwise, good company.

Pay for a company that’s not filled with malevolent actors or completely broken Technology processes the toughest part.

The chief customer experience officer, Charlie Herrin had an interesting insight on Chatbots.

So number two, he said that Chatbots are a bridge technology between old fashioned call centers, and what will eventually be fully automated, at least first level of support for customers using using voice, but driven by AI.

And those are really useful insight because a lot of folks are sort of putting a big stake in the ground on Chatbots and how they’re the next thing.

But yet when you look around at our all of our lovely, you know, smartest systems and things that that are on our desks, in our kitchens, on our phones and mobile devices, and you look at where Google’s going with things like Burt and its natural language queries.

We really are focused on voice and voice interfaces even to things that have screens.

And so Charlie’s point that Chatbots Our bridge technology is sort of a stopgap measure.

I thought it was useful, a useful insight to say like yet don’t invest in them, get good at them, use them to train your team on better natural language processing, but don’t bet the farm on them.

Because in the next couple of years, they will evolve especially as we get more and more and better and better natural language processing technology.

Number three, Lisa Blackshear, who was the SVP of comms and digital media said that social media for them has really become an early warning system, letting them know have issues before they hit the call center and first your support.

And obviously, because of that social media scales much better than phones.

Comcast says something like 50 million customers, and the social media support team is only about 400 people.

That’s a lot of people to manage.

Certainly it’s more than the 13 they had a few years ago but It when you consider just how well that system scales.

again for your own company, there are plenty of tools that can help you listen and scale and deliver better service through where customers are.

And if you can build those early warning systems, you can potentially head off much larger issues.

Speaking of phones, the VP of customer service Tom encouraged economic pronouncing his name correctly, said that in measuring customer satisfaction they they measure on NPS scores.

The biggest increase that they saw double digit increases was offering customers a choice other than calling support.

Turns out that not as many people want to talk to phone support, especially if they’re going to be on hold for a while.

Are their options do work better.

So when we think about our own companies, and how do we take those all these technologies Chatbots SMS, Facebook Messenger Whatever the the tool is slack is that where our customers want to be? And are we prepared to meet them there? The tough question.And five, the most interesting session of the day I thought was on Callbacks.

So one of the things that they do that’s mandatory for all employees, top to bottom is they require them to call back customers, even folks who are not in a, any kind of customer service roles, developers and project managers.

And what was interesting about that was they do that to see to show employees how their work is being received by the marketplace.

If you’re a developer and you’re working on the x one interface, and you’re making change to the changes to the UI.

It’s not a bad thing for that person to see.

Oh, this is what people actually think of the thing and getting that feedback directly from the customer.

That is something that way too many companies do not do in any capacity.

And it would be who Companies, particularly a product based company, to have your product developers, your project product and project managers, the people who make the thing, but don’t necessarily have to support the thing to to be in that role in that customer service role.

And then that having a conversation with the customer about how the product is working for them, because you get the unvarnished feedback from the customers saying, Yeah, I hate this thing, this thing doesn’t do this, let’s do this.

And when you have the ability to have 60,000 people reach out and say, Hey, how’s it working? How’s it going? You’re going to get a lot of useful data.

Now, one thing I thought was interesting was that the company doesn’t use like 90% of its data above and beyond diagnostics did to know something’s wrong.

But there are tremendous opportunities for a company like that and your company to to use even relatively mundane data for things like machine learning and and predictive analytics.

Real simple example.

From from the day, we were talking about the use of their systems and hotel rooms.

If you had a building with 500 of these set top boxes and these these fancy remotes, you can tell usage levels within that building.

If you can tell usage levels, then you can predict future usage levels, which means that for someone who operated a hotel, for example, they could actually use that data to forecast the likelihood of of guests.

Combine that with things like electricity usage, plumbing usage, etc.

And you could build very sophisticated models that could probably reasonably accurately forecast when your volume is going to change that would change your staffing, change your marketing, change your budgets.

And so I think there’s a tremendous opportunity for any company that has operational data to turn that data into something more useful than just diagnostics.

Now Comcast itself has got a long way to go.

One of the interesting things that Jay had to say at the start of one of the panels is that brand reputation is a decade long cycle, meaning it takes a full decade of mostly positive experiences to teach a new generation of customers that the way things were that company, the company’s past, reputation is not the present.

And 20 seconds in Facebook search or Google search or Twitter search will reveal that there’s still a long way to go for, for the team of Comcast, but what we saw they’re making the improvements that they need and putting the infrastructure in place to meet customers where they are some reason to be optimistic.

They’re my thanks to Jay and the team at Convince & Convert, for inviting me to participate and look forward to other interesting insights into companies, particularly very large ones, and how they operate when they have many, many, many people and many different types of stakeholders to keep up As always leave your questions in the questions in the comments box below.

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Amber asks, “How do you prepare for client meetings/calls when presenting deliverables? I tend to write down everything that I want to say as my thoughts get murky and I tend to stumble over my words. Is that juvenile? What is the best way to prepare?”

A few steps make this easier over time. First, if you didn’t do the work yourself, that makes things substantially harder. Second, if you were disconnected from the work, that makes things nearly impossible. If you did the work, if you remember what you did, then you’re at a good starting place. Consider journaling while you’re doing the work, as questions and key insights pop up. Do what works for your learning and teaching style – everyone will be different. And learn the breath trick. Watch the video for more details.

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In today’s episode, Amber asks, How do you prepare for client meetings or calls when presenting deliverables? I tend to write everything down that I want to say, as my thoughts get murky, and I tend to stumble over my words, is that juvenile? What’s the best way to prepare? There is no best way to prepare that is standard across people, right? It’s based on your learning style on your presenting style, and what works best for you.

Now, a few things are going to make this easier over time.

First, if you didn’t do the work yourself, that makes things harder, because you don’t necessarily know what exactly happened as the deliverables being produced.

This is especially true with data, anything data related, you’ve got at least know the methodology that was used the techniques used to get the deliverable.

Second, if you were disconnected from the work, that makes things almost impossible.

Back in the old days, when I worked in the agency world, I would watch executives sometimes really badly stumble over stuff, because they were three or four, even five levels, steps removed in the work, you know, there’s the the executive, and then there was their director.

And then there was their senior manager, there’s a manager and there was Senior Specialist, and that was a specialist in the specialist one doing all the work.

And they would show up at these meetings and, you know, throw the deliverable on the table and be like, hey, here we are, and and the client would ask questions, and the executive could not answer them because they were so far removed from the work.

So if you are doing the work great, if you are managing the work, make sure that you know what is being done.

So that you have insight into the into how it was built, how it was done, whatever the deliverable is.

That way, when the client asks questions, you’ll have good answers.

Whether you’re doing or managing the work, consider journaling while you’re doing the work, taking notes as as questions and key insights pop up, because that will give you really good starting points of talking points when it comes time to present.

One of the things to think about is, and this is where that higher education stuff comes in handy.

What, what worked for you back in college or university, when it was time to prepare for an exam? Right? Are you the kind of person this comes? This is a lot of self awareness and knowing yourself, are you the kind of person who can cram for an exam the night before and do well on it? Or are you the kind of person that needs to be very methodical and take notes and build structures throughout the course and you can’t cram for an exam, know that about yourself, there’s no right or wrong about it.

But it’s knowing that about yourself and the kind of person you are and what you’re learning and teaching approach and needs to be in order for you to succeed.

I have seen many people try and figure that out for themselves.

So whatever, whatever works for you.

So some people, for example, when they’re taking notes, they need a digital app, other people like to do voice recordings, some people like to doodle and sketch, you know, whatever.

If your employer is not mandating a certain methodology, then do what works best for you.

That’s it, I would also experiment around a little because your learning style does change as you get older.

Things that worked for you, in your early days will not work for you as well, in the middle of your career and at the sort of the peak of your career.

Those things may indeed change again.

When you’re putting together deliver the deliverable, one of the key things that not enough people do is looking at it from the client perspective, right, the clients going to ask a whole bunch of questions about this deliverable there going to ask what happened, right? This is especially true with reporting, what happened? Why? So what? What are we going to do about it? Those are the key questions that the clients going to ask you.

As you’re assembling the deliverable.

Mentally ask yourself these questions from the client perspective.

Here’s a slide about this.

So what here’s a campaign results.

Okay, why did that happen? Well, why that happened? But why did that happen? And asking these kinds of questions and and noting down however you take notes, noting down your mental answers that help you prepare to deliver to the client, these are the things that have happened.

That way, they feel like you were on top of the work itself, you know, what was going on, you know why those things happened? You were prepared.

A lot of people do that wrong.

A lot of people in the agency world haven’t tend to do that, you know, backup a truck for that deliverable on table, here it is.

And then the clients like this, this isn’t helpful, right? This is this is a bunch of stuff on my desk, and that that’s the last thing in the world I want.

So be able to put yourself in the clients shoes, and ask those tough questions, those uncomfortable questions.

And if you are managing the work, and maybe you know, again, agency life, there’s a lot of conflicting priorities.

Maybe you weren’t as closely connected, be ready with answers if they if the deliverable is probably not going to meet the client satisfaction is your firm prepared to compensate the clients some way.

And I would suggest this is a very good test for your employer.

If you did the work, according specification, the clients not happy.

Who gets the blame, right? If the agency or the firm’s or the culture is such that you poop rolls downhill, and the person lowest on the totem pole gets, gets the blame, I’d be time to change firms, because what’s supposed to happen in good leadership is that the person at the top of the totem pole is the one who accepts the responsibility for for the problem.

So that’s a fun way to know what kind of culture and finally when it comes to the presentation itself.

If you know, if you’ve done the prep work, and you know what happened, you know why, you know, what the clients likely to care about.

And you know what the next steps are? rehearse, just like public speaking, rehearse, have you and have a friend or colleague, rehearse the presentation, one of you be the client, one of you be the presenter and vice versa.

And ask those tough questions.

Put yourself in those uncomfortable situations so that you are ready and you’ve had the time for us.

And it may not be something you can do during work hours.

So hopefully you have a colleague at the office who is amenable to like a video call after hours.

If you both care about it enough to want to do well at rehearsal.

It’s just like public speaking.

So do your rehearsals.

Make sure that you feel comfortable or more comfortable with with those deliverables? Oh, the one last thing I would suggest is if you are stumbling over your words.

Look in your speech patterns for arms and ahhs and ahhs and speech fillers and replace them with the breath.

Because two things happen.

One, it helps you settle more.

And to you actually sound much, much smarter.

So here’s an example.

Doing this presentation, and this is thing, right? As opposed to we’re doing this presentation, and there’s this thing, it slows you down, but it changes how your words are received as well.

So learn that little trick.

It’s a fun public speaking trick that has multiple benefits.

So great question important questions a lot to unpack in doing client presentations is a form of public speaking.

And like all public speaking, know your material and practice your material a lot.

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Amy asks, “How can we use AI to improve customer service? What are some ways to practically implement it?”

Customer service is everything from the purchase onwards in the customer journey, and companies are faced with dual mandates: make service better, but make service cheaper. What are some practical applications of AI? The keys will be around the two fundamental types of problems AI solves best: understanding and predicting.

Understand:
– What customers are saying to you, especially in non-text channels (but also text, like mining your CRM)
– What customers to each other, from social conversation to search intent
– What the profile of our MVCs is

From our understanding, we will predict:
– What customers will be high need vs. low need, and positive vs. negative
– What customers will have the highest lifetime value
– When customer needs will be highest

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In today’s episode, Amy asks, How can we use AI to improve customer service? What are some ways to practically implemented customer service? Let’s start by defining that customer service is everything from the purchase moment onwards. So from the moment the purchase, the customer gives their credit card says, this is the thing that I want b2b, b2c doesn’t matter. And everything after that in the customer journey is customer service. So that means ownership, which is things like warranty and service and support to loyalty, which is and retention, which is all about making sure that the your your product or service still continues to deliver value to the customer. And ideally, ideally, value continues to increase longer the customer own something. And of course, evangelism, helping the customer if they’re happy to talk about owning the product or service and looking for people who are having those conversations already. So those are the things that we’re going to lump under customer service. Companies traditionally have had dual mandates when it comes to customer service and not necessarily good ones, the dual mandates are of course makes service better. But in a lot of cases, companies have been tasked with making service cheaper, because corporations see it as a cost center rather than a value center. Now as models of attribution analysis get better. We’re starting to see people thinking about customer service as a driver of up sells, for example, particularly in b2b if a customer is happy, they’ll buy more from you are FM analysis and techniques like that help with that. But there are still a lot of companies are stuck in the old mindset of sort of customer services, just a cost, keep the cost is low as possible, instead of making the customer deliriously happy. And they’ll buy more and recommend more. So what are some practical applications of artificial intelligence in this space? The key to the application of AI and machine learning and specific revolves around the two fundamental tasks that they would be tackling which is understanding and predicting to understand we would use machine learning to dig into things like what our customers saying about us, especially in in social conversations, and then search intent. For example, if I am an owner of a whirlpool washing machine, and I’m looking up a whirlpool warranty or Whirlpool, whatever error code, guess what, I have some service issues, right, I have some support issues that I need to have resolved. If I own CRM software, I’m looking for the for how to do a certain thing. Sir, type that into Google, I would want as if I was the company, I would want to be using machine learning to analyze the data and understand relationships between different types of searches, relationships between searches and social conversations, at what point does somebody stop searching and start complaining? Those are all things that I wouldn’t want to know. I would want to know what are the profile of our most valuable customer is what using techniques like clustering, categorization, dimension reduction, what are those, the the aspects or the variables of a most valuable customer, and that goes way beyond traditional RF m analysis. Traditional our FM analysis just looks at you know, recency of purchase frequency of purchase monetary value of purchases, and that’s okay. But if you have the ability, with machine learning to look at 100, 200, 300 dimensions of the customer, their demographics, the psycho graphics firma graphics, and you can then put together a real comprehensive picture that customer you should. And most of all, this is where machine learning is a shining beacon customer service, it is understanding what customers are saying to our companies, especially in non tech channels, I did a project recently, for a company where they said a 17,000 recorded calls in an audio format from their call center. And we had a I transcribed them and then had AI, digest that down to understand what are the key issues that these customers were calling about. But you don’t have to use advanced stuff like that. Even just mining, the data within your CRM is so valuable, and companies don’t do it. What’s in your customer service inbox, customers, companies just don’t look at that. And you can use AI to understand

once you understand, then you can predict things the kinds of things you want to predict, for example, would be what customers are high need versus low need. If you have to reduce costs and customer service, you definitely want to know hire low need and who is high and low value, right? So what are the types of if a customer is high need and low value, and you have the ability to predict that type of customer, you can say let’s not market to those people versus low need high value let’s market to those people as much as we can use machine learning to isolate, understand and build a model for predicting that based on

characteristics of data that you get, you can predict what customers have the highest lifetime value.

Again, if you go beyond our FM and your understanding, and then build a models who predict this customer matches 42 of the 46 high value indicators, let’s make sure that, you know we we target them really, really cleverly and smartly so that we win their business. And finally, now what are the what are the types of sentiment in conversations? And can you create a model of cases that were resolved successfully versus cases is that we’re not resolved successfully? If there are things like sentiment and tone in conversations that people are having with the chat bot with the operator with the customer service forms? Can you predict when something’s going to go off the rails and intercept that early on, so that you that that person never gets to the stage where they cause a PR incident for example. So those are understanding predict the two basic use cases for machine learning and AI that will help customer service get better. You can do this with the data you have today. What you have may be messy, it may need to be structured and cleaned up and engineered but the beauty is most companies have been collecting this data. It’s in your customer service inbox is in your CRM, it’s in your call center. You just haven’t been using it if you’d like help course I company trust insights will be happy to help with that. So great question. important question, important question and one we’re not talking about enough. As always if you have any follow on comments, please leave in the comments below. Please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter. I’ll talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. Visit trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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Ava asks, “How can a local reseller market effectively against entrenched brands and big box stores?”

Local resellers – like plumbing supply, home decor, electronics, appliance showrooms, etc. – fit in the category of value-added reseller. The key is the value-added part – a reseller is typically more expensive than a big box retail store or the ubiquitous Amazon, so how a reseller communicates value is essential. Watch the video for full details.

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Consumers want:
– Better
– Faster
– Cheaper

VARs cannot beat, for the most part, cheaper.

The strategy, then, is build a strong brand on your value, which by definition must be better and/or faster. What constitutes better? Service, and the knowledge of context that comes with that service. Amazon cannot do context. Big box stores do context poorly. Shop small and shop local are only meaningful if you are also better.

Faster is faster fulfillment, which will eventually be a losing proposition against Amazon, but faster service, which Amazon simply cannot do in the near future. Faster answers, faster help, faster guidance.

How do you build a brand? Pick the pillar you deliver on and serve up marketing that doubles down on that pillar. Better service? Educate people for free on their top problems. Faster service? Leapfrog the big box stores and figure out how to do apps and bots better.

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In today’s episode Eva asks How can local reseller market effectively against entrenched brands and big box stores really good question a local reseller like plumbing supply store, a home decor, electronics, consumer electronic stores, appliance show rooms, all these fit in the categories of value added resellers. Now the the key for the marketing is that first phrase value added because a reseller is by default going to be more expensive than a big box retail store or everyone’s you know, ubiquitous Amazon presence, you’re always going to get beaten on price as a reseller unless you want no margins. So the key is how what the value is that a reseller delivers and how it communicates that value? consumers want the three things right, same thing

things they’ve wanted for centuries or millennia better, faster. Cheaper.

Value Added resellers cannot for the most part beat cheaper. So that leaves you better and faster. So your strategy for marketing your brand is to build a crazy strong brand on your value, which by definition is either going to be better or faster. So what constitutes better, what constitutes better for a reseller? Well, resellers are known primarily for their service. So what service do you provide that is better than what the competitors can provide? A big part of that is based on context. So a professional salesperson who knows the customer who knows what the customer wants, it has the opportunity to have meaningful conversations with the customer can build better concept someone may come in for a refrigerator but what they’re actually asking about is redoing the look of their kitchen right so the the big box stores

sees refrigerators being browsed. Amazon’s refrigerators being browsed on their site, but the the human salesperson who’s having the conversation with the customer can dig in and figure out what the actual goal is. And therefore, in theory should be able to provide better recommendations to the customer. Because they figured out what the customers overarching goal is. So that’s better service through context.

Other ways that virus can can focus in on that service is is in the better services post purchase.

Amazon will eventually beat everyone on fulfillment right on on on just getting stuff to you. But the process of packaging things up and mailing them back

and waiting for refunds and stuff is still not optimal. I’m sure they’re working on it, but it is still not optimal compared to

a reseller being able to just if they’re especially if they’re local.

In the market and pop buy in to see what’s going on with with the thing that you bought so it is that enhanced responsive high quality service that can also be part of the brand for faster faster fulfillment will eventually be a losing proposition against Amazon or whatever other may you know mega consumer company takes over but faster service Amazon still has not cracked and probably won’t in the near future because of the mechanism of

service fulfillment mailing things back takes time

know getting you get your refund as soon as Amazon has scam at the packages back in service but it’s still one those I got a package that thing up print out the thing and then you know wait for for the delivery service to combine and pick it up

contrast that with what a value added reseller delivers, which should be

faster for fashion repairing of problems because you may not have to it may not be defective enough to warrant being mailed back just come over and fix the thing but

Faster also means faster answers faster help faster guidance, how can you get answers faster to the customer that are meaningful? Again, you can talk with a chat bot or you can talk with the lowest paid person on the floor at a big box store and get on satisfactory answers.

You can talk to an expert at a reseller and get an actually helpful answer. When when I bought the solar thing from my from my house the we bought from the most reputable company in the industry and their service is white glove service. They were significantly more expensive than their competitors. But the service side is the reason we made the purchase because we get faster answers to get better answers.

And so we bought from that company instead. So when it comes to building and marketing your brand within that local market, pick the pillar that you deliver on and serve up marketing that that doubles down on that pillar that emphasizes that pillar.

You claim a better service, you better be educating people like crazy for free on their top problems doing things like YouTube videos, ad nauseum Instagram Stories like hey, here’s how you fix this. Here’s what to look for in this. Here’s how to know whether a faucet will scratch easily. Here’s to

here’s how to clean dog hair out of your refrigerators, events, all these things. And a big part is educating people on the problems that they’re likely to have before they have those problems. Because that tells the customer that you understand their context, you know what’s going to happen because you have the years of experience that a big box store is not likely to have when you’re talking about faster service. The Amazon of course has all sorts of AI behind that so you’re not going to beat Amazon on on faster and that fun but the big box stores and doing stuff like apps and and bots and stuff. There are opportunities to improve upon

Those things and do a better job but also as long as you can scale it properly there is a substantial part of the population that would feel better just talking to somebody especially with these lovely mobile devices being able to FaceTime or video chat with a customer and say oh yeah you’re you’re if your faucets leaking, or whatever it is turned into your camera and now let’s take a look and being able to immediately without leaving your shop, look at what’s going on and go oh, it’s probably this like your refrigerators making a funny noise Okay, what’s point your phone at got it and documenting and showing that showing how you do that? Because that instead of creating marketing, which honestly is probably going to come out very self serving if you document with permission the service that you provide, you will show people by example exactly what you do and convince them that okay, this is a level of service I don’t get

From the big box store, well, this is level of service that I don’t get when I’m clicking around on on Amazon’s website. And so that documentation of what you do, and then the sharing of it ad nauseum. You cannot create enough content that shows off with real customers how your service works, you cannot create enough content that is helpful educational that solves people’s problems. You could publish 100 Pinterest pins a day you could publish a 500 Instagram videos a day and the still wouldn’t be enough to to answer every customers questions before they have them. You know your customer, you know your market. You’ve been in business for a number of years. You know what’s going to happen, double down on that experience and show it off not by telling people that you have it but by documenting that you’re doing the thing is it doesn’t require hiring a professional video crew you have a camera

There are free apps there is YouTube to post the videos to just go and do it. But do it a lot and plan to spend a lot of time on it. If you are spending less than an hour a day on documenting what it is you do, or answering customers questions, you’re not spending enough time on it from the perspective of marketing so that you can beat the big box store and the Amazons of the world. Now if you just want to do the bare minimum you can but you’re not going to beat the entrenched local Martin you got to show off through example just why you’re a better so great question. There’s a lot to this and there’s a lot to doing this. It is not inexpensive from a time perspective but it can be inexpensive from a a a machine or you’ve already bought the phone you’ve already got YouTube and stuff make use of it. So if you have follow up questions, leave them in the comments box please subscribe to the newsletter and the YouTube

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Adam asks, “What is customer experience? Is it the same as customer service?”

Modern customer experience management, as a discipline and a profession, is an amalgamation and evolution of four sub-disciplines:

• Voice of the Customer (1993)
• Design Thinking and UX
• Analytics, AI, and Big Data
• Champions and Defenders

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In today’s you ask I answer Adam asks, What is customer experiences at the same as customer service up? No, it’s not. But Customer service is part of customer experience, modern customer experience, what we call the discipline of customer experience, or customer experience management is an evolution and emerging of three different

ideas.

First is a management concepts that I think dates back to the 1990s, if not earlier called the voice of the customer, what does the customer really want, and, and so in. In the old system, this was actually someone whose job it was, was to represent the customer in meetings and things to just speak up on behalf of the customer and product development and things. And it has since evolved to

really bringing

in the voice of the customer with using analytics and big data and artificial intelligence and machine learning now to take what the customer actually says, and make it a core part of businesses decisions.

The second aspect or discipline

that is, in modern customer experiences was originally UX and UI, what does the user experience what is the user interface that a product or service offers in particular digitally, so things like website design, navigation and stuff. And this, of course, has also evolved into design thinking journey mapping

the process of managing the customer, so

everything from what is the customer journey look like how the different components integrated so that you’re not doing single touch point analysis. But now you’re you’re tracking the interactions through out a customer’s experience through from first becoming aware of the company all the way to be loyal advocate of the company. And then applying design thinking to the customers interactions that every one of those way points in their journey from what does a website look like classic UI UX to what happens when they walk in a store, how are they greeted what color shirt so the employees wearing things like that you can see a lot of design thinking in the best customer experiences. When you go to say, the Apple Store. There’s a clear workflows, a clear process, when you go to a fast food restaurant, there’s a clear process

I’m at work.

The third

component of customer experience

originally was sort of just data

in general, and then became big data as as Big Data Systems became more prevalent and now incorporates analytics AI, machine learning all the platform pieces

that help us understand

not the customer, but everything that they do. And all the outcomes that lead up to

that sort of sum total customer experience. So

in traditional retail, for example, this would have been things like our FM analysis, recency, frequency, and the amount of transactions what things boosts someone’s our FM scores. This would include things like Net Promoter scores, and customer satisfaction data. This includes all the digital and non digital interactions that a customer has with us from the moment they click on an ad, or watch the video to the moment that they set foot in the store, where do they walk within a store, if it’s a if it’s a brick and mortar store.

And then of course, the business outcomes, how profitable or unprofitable is a customer, how much does that customer cost not only an acquisition but in servicing does is this customer returning things all the time, we’ve seen some recent changes behind the scenes in the way company, please look, Amazon serve customers where customers that have an abnormally high number of returns are score differently and treated differently

because they are more expensive customers.

And then the last part is really the champions and defenders. So within their organization, there are people who are who are responsible for the overall customer experience strategy. And then you have sort of two groups that are somewhat oppositional you have the customer champions again, the people who advocate for the customer like sort of migrated over from voice of the customer to because I became a much more about data

to the the individuals championing

for the customer saying I I think this is a bad experience for the customer

and then you had the defenders

Who are the people who advocate on behalf of the employees

really good example in our our Olive Garden case study that we did where the customers love unlimited supersize breadsticks. The employees hate that dish with a passion because they are they, as I say breadsticks slaves

in in that instance, you see a champion, you know, advocating for the customer, but there’s no defender advocating for the employees. And so you need those two groups to to counter each other and find balance to say, this is it, this is the best experience we can manage while still not harming our employees. And our ability to do business in the long term. Because obviously, talent journey and stuff is is an incredibly expensive part of doing business. So all for these things, people process platform and participation, Voice of the Customer design thinking Analytics API in big data, and champions and defenders are what constitutes customer experience

in customer experience management, you need to have all these capabilities put together so that you deliver an optimal outcome to the customer. If you don’t have good process. For example, you know, you can have all the the people on the champions and stuff you want. But without that process, you’re not going to improve the customer experience. If you don’t have great data,

you’re not going to be able to

know what you’re doing is working.

If you don’t have voice in the customer, you’re not doing qualitative and quantitative data, you’re just guessing at what the customer wants, instead of actually listening to the customer. And without those champions and defenders with no participation, customer experience is just an idea on a slide deck somewhere. So you need all four components working together to create customer experience in its modern incarnation, and this will change somewhat over time. But for the most part, the people the process, the platform and the participation are

relatively timeless,

they are relatively straightforward things that indicate this is how we get to to a great customer experience. Now to the question of how is it different than customer service, customer service is a subset of customer experience, customer service satisfying customers fixing things that are have gone wrong, would use similar things, you know, voice of the customer is very much the element of service, listening to the customer. Listen to what they have to say. Same for design, thinking and process, what is the process what is the experience that a customer has when

something goes wrong, and they want remediation,

tracking the data around customer service, and then having people advocating for or against specific customer service processes, procedures, things like that, internally, the company all of that is part of a customer experience. But customer experience is much more than that. If you think about the customer journey, awareness, consideration,

evaluation, purchase satisfaction,

retention, loyalty and evangelism

service really isn’t that second half the back

half of the journey where

once the customer has purchased something, what is their experience with the company with the brand. If the experience of owning the thing is terrible, then obviously, you’re going to have a much bigger problem and it will seep into stuff like voice of the customer data, but customer experience covers the entire journey from awareness, all the way to loyalty, so it’s much bigger than just service by itself. But you can’t have great customer experience without great service. So great question. Adam. A complex question. This is an entire discipline, customer experience. Management is a profession into unto itself and, and even specializing in pieces of it such as like voice of the customer, modern voice of the customer is very different than it used to be thanks to machine learning. And so there’s a lot of opportunity here for companies to to build a great customer experience, deliver a great customer experience and obviously reap the financial rewards of great customer experience if they do it well and have all these pieces in place. So great question. As always have a questions please use the link here in the show notes. subscribe to the newsletter and the YouTube channel and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care

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